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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/dci-smv010213.php (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/dci-smv010213.php)
Some men voice complaints of shortened penis following prostate cancer treatment
Perceived reduction in penis size linked to regrets of treatment choice
BOSTON – A small percentage of men in a prostate cancer study complained that their penis seemed shorter following treatment, with some saying that it interfered with intimate relationships and caused them to regret the type of treatment they chose.
Complaints were more common in men treated with radical prostatectomy (surgical removal of the prostate) or male hormone-blocking drugs combined with radiation therapy, according to the study by researchers from Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women's Cancer Center (DF/BWCC). No men reported a perceived shortening of their penis following radiation therapy alone.
The study's findings, which are being published in the January issue of the journal Urology, are based on surveys completed by physicians of 948 men treated for prostate cancer and who had suffered a recurrence of the disease.
Twenty-five men (2.63 percent of the group) complained of smaller penises after treatment – 3.73 percent for surgery, 2.67 percent for radiotherapy plus androgen deprivation therapy (ADT), and 0% for radiotherapy alone. Radiotherapy included both radiation administered by an external x-ray machine, and brachytherapy – the implantation of radioactive seeds directly into the prostate.
The scientific team, led by Paul Nguyen, MD, a radiation oncologist, and medical student Arti Parekh, said it is the first study to link men's perceptions of a reduction in penis size to lowered life satisfaction, problems in emotional relationships, and misgivings about the specific form of prostate cancer treatment they chose.
Nguyen said that the potential side effect of a smaller penis is well-known among physicians and surgeons, said Nguyen, "but it's almost never discussed with patients, so it can be very upsetting to some men when it occurs. Patients can deal with almost any side effect if they have some inkling ahead of time that they may happen."
The report's authors said physicians should discuss the possibility with their patients so that they can make more-informed treatment choices.
There were no direct measurements of penis size either before or after treatment, said the researchers. Nor did the patients' physicians specifically ask about this side effect; the issue was brought up by patients in conversations with their doctors. For this and other reasons, the authors of the new study suggest that the problem is likely more common than reported in the survey.
"Prostate cancer is one of the few cancers where patients have a choice of therapies, and because of the range of possible side effects, it can be a tough choice," said Nguyen. "This study says that when penile shortening does occur, it really does affect patients and their quality of life. It's something we should be discussing up front so that it will help reduce treatment regrets."
The likelihood and magnitude of penis shortening as a consequence of treatment have not been well studied, said the researchers. However, Jim Hu, MD, a surgeon at the University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center and a co-author of the study, said "Previous studies have concluded that there is shortened penis length following prostatectomy. This is most common with non-nerve sparing surgery, as this may result in fibrosis and atrophy of erectile tissue due to damage to nerve and vascular structures." The present study did not find much difference on that score.
The study's subjects were men enrolled in a registry called COMPARE that collects data on patients whose prostate cancer shows signs of recurring after initial treatment. Of the 948 men in the study, 22 percent were younger than 60 and the majority were in their 60s, 70s and 80s. Just over half – 54 percent – had undergone surgery to remove their cancerous prostate, while 24 percent received radiation therapy combined with hormone-blocking treatment, and 22 percent had radiation therapy alone.
In an editorial comment accompanying the report, Luc Cormier, MD, PhD, of Dijon University Hospital in France said the study "is really of interest because of the number of patients and that it included other treatment methods in addition to radical prostatectomy."
The surveys of the men did not report on their sexual functioning. Cormier observed that "sexual activity needs to be thoroughly measured owing to the obvious relationship with the patients' perception of penile length."
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I think Primemuscle went through this. Maybe he can elaborate.
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I have noticed Coach's head is smaller recently, maybe he can give us the first hand details
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Penises will be extinct in the near 150 years. Enjoy it while you can(no homo).
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I have notice Coach's head is smaller recently, maybe he can give us the first hand details
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I think Primemuscle went through this. Maybe he can elaborate.
outed
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How many guys get testosterone blocking drugs due to prostate enlargement or cancer yet you still have guys doing steroids past 50. Remember anabolic steroids were created to avoid the adrogen problems of straight testosterone. In the late 50's and early 60's the Russians had so many weight lifters who had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate due to testosterone use. Dianabol the first anabolic steroid was created to retain and enhance the anabolic properties of testosterone and mitigate the androgen properties.
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How many guys get testosterone blocking drugs due to prostate enlargement or cancer yet you still have guys doing steroids past 50. Remember anabolic steroids were created to avoid the adrogen problems of straight testosterone. In the late 50's and early 60's the Russians had so many weight lifters who had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate due to testosterone use. Dianabol the first anabolic steroid was created to retain and enhance the anabolic properties of testosterone and mitigate the androgen properties.
can you elaborate on your thoughts here? would any of this affect the shortened penis issue? (no homo)
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http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/MensHlth/Penis/Penile_Length_Changes_in_Men_Treated_with_Androgen_Suppression_Plus_Radiation_Therapy_for_Local_or_Locally_Advanced_Prostate_Cancer.pdf .
:-[.
Also the suppression of androgens cause bodyfat level to rise, which won't help things.
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I have notice Coach's head is smaller recently, maybe he can give us the first hand details
Haha yes coach is quite the nobhead!
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How many guys get testosterone blocking drugs due to prostate enlargement or cancer yet you still have guys doing steroids past 50. Remember anabolic steroids were created to avoid the adrogen problems of straight testosterone. In the late 50's and early 60's the Russians had so many weight lifters who had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate due to testosterone use. Dianabol the first anabolic steroid was created to retain and enhance the anabolic properties of testosterone and mitigate the androgen properties.
yes please elaborate. sounds interesting.
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some men, like me, wished their penis was somewhat smaller, for those back pains from carrying the weight arent fun.
its all relative
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Shortened crank versus dying from cancer...I can live with shorter given those options!
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some men, like me, wished their penis was somewhat smaller, for those back pains from carrying the weight arent fun.
its all relative
Maybe you could simply ask Lulu to walk insead? ???
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Shortened crank versus dying from cancer...I can live with shorter given those options!
I agree. But I'd like to avoid both issues.
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can you elaborate on your thoughts here? would any of this affect the shortened penis issue? (no homo)
I'm no endocrinologist or any type of doctor. I would think that suppressing your testosterone along with the increase of estrogen from added fat, aromatase and naturally producing estrogen could cause a penis to shrink. I would assume your penis grows during puberty due to testosterone and taking it away could lead to a loss of size. Just like muscles shrink off steroids.
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I am a over 3 year prostate cancer survivor and the story is true. But to be honest that is the least of your worries with the removal of the prostate. Incontinence and erectile dysfunction is the two normal side effects. It took over 2 years to completely get over both. I am a rare case to not suffer permanently from one or the other. I am still prescribed Cialis but it is not to get hard, more for duration. I have had 5 major back surgeries and they were nothing compared to this surgery. It will fuck you up for a long time. Like I said, I was lucky. As far as shorter dick, yea it happened but if you have enough to start with you don't sweat it. The other 2 side effects are much more concerning.
Now flame away but I wouldn't wish prostate cancer on anyone. But it was better than the alternative.
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What percentage of women complains if is too big, versus those who complain for being too small ......
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Gym Rat thanks for the courage to speak up on your ill health. The alternative to prostate removal could be death. I'm sure many who go through that feel like they are alone.
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Gym Rat thanks for the courage to speak up on your ill health. The alternative to prostate removal could be death. I'm sure many who go through that feel like they are alone.
Yea, I was reluctant to post it in detail but WTF. It was a horrible thing to go through. There were even more complications like the 6" incision blowing open a week after surgery. I had to go back in and have it sewn shut after packing it with gauze for 2 weeks. The opening was 6" long, 2" wide, and over a inch deep. It was brutal. They said steroid abuse contributed greatly to the cancer. Probably did but who knows.
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Fuckin' Damn! :o
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It is known that prostate removal kills the nerves in your cock causing erectile issues. Could be the nerve damage that is the main issue.
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It is known that prostate removal kills the nerves in your cock causing erectile issues. Could be the nerve damage that is the main issue.
It is the surgeon that kills the nerves during removal. I did my homework and found the most successful surgeon in my area for successful woodies. I thought I made the wrong choice when shit want happening for a while but he kept telling me to be patient. And he wasn't lying. Woke up with wood tis morning. Bitch was the wife was already at work. ;D
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My penis is close to 5 inches ..... (Ill say average)..... but let just hope I remain cancer free......
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My penis is close to 5 inches ..... (Ill say average)..... but let just hope I remain cancer free......
I hope you do, for many reasons. I will say that was one side effect my urologists did not warn me about.
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My penis is close to 5 inches ..... (Ill say average)..... but let just hope I remain cancer free......
5 inches erect or soft?
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I think men in their 60's, 70's and 80's should be thankful for surviving cancer rather than worry about their shlongs.
Viagra has fucked that generation in the head.
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I think men in their 60's, 70's and 80's should be thankful for surviving cancer rather than worry about their shlongs.
Viagra has fucked that generation in the head.
YEA, you are so right! How dare those old fuckers think they deserve to get pussy at that age. ::)
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I think men in their 60's, 70's and 80's should be thankful for surviving cancer rather than worry about their shlongs.
Viagra has fucked that generation in the head.
life > vagina
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YEA, you are so right! How dare those old fuckers think they deserve to get pussy at that age. ::)
Their junk will never work properly after that kind of surgery so why worry about the size?
Spend your time helping raise your grandkids or something else noble.
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That sucks
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That sucks
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do people get prostate surgery cause they have trouble pissing ?
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do people get prostate surgery cause they have trouble pissing ?
trouble pissing, go to doctor, find cancer, cut it out, penis useless.
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trouble pissing, go to doctor, find cancer, cut it out, penis useless.
thats funny , an old dude says he has trouble pissing doc gets out a knife
when instead they shoudl cut out the red meat
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I agree. But I'd like to avoid both issues.
Yep, that's the best plan! Sounds like the third level of hell going through this.
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trouble pissing, go to doctor, find cancer, cut it out, penis useless.
It is actually a good thing you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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It is actually a good thing you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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gym**rat, what were your symptoms?
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It is actually a good thing you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
I agree having cancer removed is advisable. I would be dead if I had not had a tumor removed from my throat in 1998.
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I agree having cancer removed is advisable. I would be dead if I had not had a tumor removed from my throat in 1998.
Scary shit when the doc says the "C" word.
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gym**rat, what were your symptoms?
Anyone feel free to ask anything. I am an advocate for PSA screening and digital exams. Especially if you juice.
My symptoms were a little blood mixed in my cum. Not real noticeable but there. We would see it when I gave my wife a facial or butted on her tits. Several times I looked it up on the Internet and it would only mention a ruptured tube. Only a couple sites mentioned anything about cancer and those said it was extremely rare. Well after 1 1/2 years blood started leaking out of my dick when I pushed hard to shit. That was the tumor pushing against something else. (I can't remember what it pushed against, sorry). I freaked out but then was afraid to go to the doc. But that got worse fast and that was when I went.
The tests to see if the tumor is cancer is pretty rough too. I won't go into it unless someone really wants to know.
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scary fucking stuff!!!
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I am a over 3 year prostate cancer survivor and the story is true. But to be honest that is the least of your worries with the removal of the prostate. Incontinence and erectile dysfunction is the two normal side effects. It took over 2 years to completely get over both. I am a rare case to not suffer permanently from one or the other. I am still prescribed Cialis but it is not to get hard, more for duration. I have had 5 major back surgeries and they were nothing compared to this surgery. It will fuck you up for a long time. Like I said, I was lucky. As far as shorter dick, yea it happened but if you have enough to start with you don't sweat it. The other 2 side effects are much more concerning.
Now flame away but I wouldn't wish prostate cancer on anyone. But it was better than the alternative.
Great to hear that you made it through - props!
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I think men in their 60's, 70's and 80's should be thankful for surviving cancer rather than worry about their shlongs.
Viagra has fucked that generation in the head.
nice common sense point....good job
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Anyone feel free to ask anything. I am an advocate for PSA screening and digital exams. Especially if you juice.
My symptoms were a little blood mixed in my cum. Not real noticeable but there. We would see it when I gave my wife a facial or butted on her tits. Several times I looked it up on the Internet and it would only mention a ruptured tube. Only a couple sites mentioned anything about cancer and those said it was extremely rare. Well after 1 1/2 years blood started leaking out of my dick when I pushed hard to shit. That was the tumor pushing against something else. (I can't remember what it pushed against, sorry). I freaked out but then was afraid to go to the doc. But that got worse fast and that was when I went.
The tests to see if the tumor is cancer is pretty rough too. I won't go into it unless someone really wants to know.
please go into it....we men need to know this stuff...the doctors hate to tell us anything because they all think we will sue them....
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Great to hear that you made it through - props!
Bruce, thank you very much.
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please go into it....we men need to know this stuff...the doctors hate to tell us anything because they all think we will sue them....
No problem. First off was the PSA blood test. Mine tested NORMAL. 20% of men with advanced stages of prostate cancer test normal on the PSA blood test. So please do not trust that alone. Next came the digital exam. Not pleasant at all for my virgin ass. He felt the tumor right away. I came back for 2 tests. First was the camera scope through the eye of the penis to check the kidneys, very, very unpleasant. Then they run this big probe, around 1" around into your ass. Needles come out and stick the prostate and administer a deadner into the prostate. Then out of the same probe these little claws come out and pull away samples of your prostate. I had 8 samples removed and every one of them contained cancer. I can tell you that it hurts like hell when that probe goes in, really hurts when those needles stick you multiple times, and it does not deaden it because it was terrible pain each time a sample was pulled away. I remember looking at my wife and she was crying because she could see the pain and the effect these tests were having on me.
Results of the test was my prostate was saturated with cancer. Please take one thing away from this. Do not trust the PSA test alone, get the digital exam. If my urologist wouldn't have done that then I would not be here.
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No problem. First off was the PSA blood test. Mine tested NORMAL. 20% of men with advanced stages of prostate cancer test normal on the PSA blood test. So please do not trust that alone. Next came the digital exam. Not pleasant at all for my virgin ass. He felt the tumor right away. I came back for 2 tests. First was the camera scope through the eye of the penis to check the kidneys, very, very unpleasant. Then they run this big probe, around 1" around into your ass. Needles come out and stick the prostate and administer a deadner into the prostate. Then out of the same probe these little claws come out and pull away samples of your prostate. I had 8 samples removed and every one of them contained cancer. I can tell you that it hurts like hell when that probe goes in, really hurts when those needles stick you multiple times, and it does not deaden it because it was terrible pain each time a sample was pulled away. I remember looking at my wife and she was crying because she could see the pain and the effect these tests were having on me.
Results of the test was my prostate was saturated with cancer. Please take one thing away from this. Do not trust the PSA test alone, get the digital exam. If my urologist wouldn't have done that then I would not be here.
doubling up the saw palmetto tonight!!
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Whenever I see guys in their 50's and 60's using steroids I just shake my head. I guess they take the attitude it's a risk they are willing to take with their prostate. Just like smokers that say they know some 80 year old that smoked their whole life. Increasing the risk doesn't bother them.
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Whenever I see guys in their 50's and 60's using steroids I just shake my head. I guess they take the attitude it's a risk they are willing to take with their prostate. Just like smokers that say they know some 80 year old that smoked their whole life. Increasing the risk doesn't bother them.
I have to ask, with due respect to your situation.
What's your opinion of testosterone replacement (read: NOT abuse...just 250mg/week) in men past 30? I'm thinking of toning it all back and just cruising for the rest of my life on 250mg a week. I know the doc/blood tests will probably be the telling truth, but would like your opinion, if you'd care to share it. Prostate cancer doesn't run in the family, but I'm going for my first check later this year (mid 30's...pushed for an early exam check and blood tests...I'm not going to die of prostate cancer if I can help it). Plus, the wife is nagging like crazy to get it done.
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I have to ask, with due respect to your situation.
What's your opinion of testosterone replacement (read: NOT abuse...just 250mg/week) in men past 30? I'm thinking of toning it all back and just cruising for the rest of my life on 250mg a week. I know the doc/blood tests will probably be the telling truth, but would like your opinion, if you'd care to share it. Prostate cancer doesn't run in the family, but I'm going for my first check later this year (mid 30's...pushed for an early exam check and blood tests...I'm not going to die of prostate cancer if I can help it). Plus, the wife is nagging like crazy to get it done.
250mg/week is not replacement, it's far from it. 75mg twice a week will give you like 1000ng/dl-1100ng/dl levels. 125mg twice a week is like 1600-1700 which is above what is considered healthy (1500ng/dl) by NHI.
Most doctors will want you to have like 800ng/dl because it's high "normal" range. It is obviously stupid, "normal" range is statistical term, it's got nothing to do with what is healthy.
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I have to ask, with due respect to your situation.
What's your opinion of testosterone replacement (read: NOT abuse...just 250mg/week) in men past 30? I'm thinking of toning it all back and just cruising for the rest of my life on 250mg a week. I know the doc/blood tests will probably be the telling truth, but would like your opinion, if you'd care to share it. Prostate cancer doesn't run in the family, but I'm going for my first check later this year (mid 30's...pushed for an early exam check and blood tests...I'm not going to die of prostate cancer if I can help it). Plus, the wife is nagging like crazy to get it done.
I'm not a doctor. I don't understand how you could be low natural testosterone if you're in your mid 30's unless you have been running big cycles of anabolic steroids. Believe it or not in your mid 30's you should be close to your prime. If you are low from using steroids give yourself 6 months to get back on track once you stopped. Unless you were doing some crazy stuff I would assume your testicles should be working normal or close to normal again with time. The best person to consult would be a urologist I would think. Tell him you were taking bodybuilding steroids and your concerned that you won't get back to normal natural testosterone levels. He might say give it time or he might give you a script for a lab to see if your low. Then he would prescribe shots or gel. Normal testosterone levels doesn't increase the risk it's the crazy drug level amount bodybuilders take.
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I'm not a doctor. I don't understand how you could be low natural testosterone if you're in your mid 30's unless you have been running big cycles of anabolic steroids. Believe it or not in your mid 30's you should be close to your prime. If you are low from using steroids give yourself 6 months to get back on track once you stopped. Unless you were doing some crazy stuff I would assume your testicles should be working normal or close to normal again with time. The best person to consult would be a urologist I would think. Tell him you were taking bodybuilding steroids and your concerned that you won't get back to normal natural testosterone levels. He might say give it time or he might give you a script for a lab to see if your low. Then he would prescribe shots or gel. Normal testosterone levels doesn't increase the risk it's the crazy drug level amount bodybuilders take.
Obviously you're not a doctor.
You can have low testosterone at any age, same goes for any disease. It's less likely, but not impossible.
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Obviously you're not a doctor.
You can have low testosterone at any age, same goes for any disease. It's less likely, but not impossible.
I agree
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Obviously you're not a doctor.
You can have low testosterone at any age, same goes for any disease. It's less likely, but not impossible.
Go fuck yourself deceiver. The overwhelming majority of men with low testosterone are older.That is men that haven't been using steroids. Most men with prostate problems are older. It's both statistical fact. Prostate disease and low testosterone for the most part increases greatly with age in non steroid using men. That's why the National Cancer Institute recommends starting PSA screening for prostate at age 50 unless you at a higher risk.
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Go fuck yourself deceiver. The overwhelming majority of men with low testosterone are older.That is men that haven't been using steroids. Most men with prostate problems are older. It's both statistical fact. Prostate disease and low testosterone for the most part increases greatly with age in non steroid using men. That's why the National Cancer Institute recommends starting PSA screening for prostate at age 50 unless you at a higher risk.
With the rising rate of men in their 40's getting prostate cancer they have lowered their recommendation to 40 recently. Like I have mentioned earlier, 20% of the men with prostate cancer ad normal PSA levels. Including myself.
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No problem. First off was the PSA blood test. Mine tested NORMAL. 20% of men with advanced stages of prostate cancer test normal on the PSA blood test. So please do not trust that alone. Next came the digital exam. Not pleasant at all for my virgin ass. He felt the tumor right away. I came back for 2 tests. First was the camera scope through the eye of the penis to check the kidneys, very, very unpleasant. Then they run this big probe, around 1" around into your ass. Needles come out and stick the prostate and administer a deadner into the prostate. Then out of the same probe these little claws come out and pull away samples of your prostate. I had 8 samples removed and every one of them contained cancer. I can tell you that it hurts like hell when that probe goes in, really hurts when those needles stick you multiple times, and it does not deaden it because it was terrible pain each time a sample was pulled away. I remember looking at my wife and she was crying because she could see the pain and the effect these tests were having on me.
Results of the test was my prostate was saturated with cancer. Please take one thing away from this. Do not trust the PSA test alone, get the digital exam. If my urologist wouldn't have done that then I would not be here.
I know she's your wife dude but why have her in the room to witness that?>??..however good job with providing us with this info....I now know that I can't trust the PSA
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I'm not a doctor. I don't understand how you could be low natural testosterone if you're in your mid 30's unless you have been running big cycles of anabolic steroids. Believe it or not in your mid 30's you should be close to your prime. If you are low from using steroids give yourself 6 months to get back on track once you stopped. Unless you were doing some crazy stuff I would assume your testicles should be working normal or close to normal again with time. The best person to consult would be a urologist I would think. Tell him you were taking bodybuilding steroids and your concerned that you won't get back to normal natural testosterone levels. He might say give it time or he might give you a script for a lab to see if your low. Then he would prescribe shots or gel. Normal testosterone levels doesn't increase the risk it's the crazy drug level amount bodybuilders take.
So your saying high test=prostate problems?
then what if one takes a trt dose of test but takes 1-2gs of somthing like EQ,Tren or deca? same thing?
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I know she's your wife dude but why have her in the room to witness that?>??..however good job with providing us with this info....I now know that I can't trust the PSA
She was there to support me. I told her not to come in but there was no stopping her. Just like there would e no stopping me to be there for her.
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With the rising rate of men in their 40's getting prostate cancer they have lowered their recommendation to 40 recently. Like I have mentioned earlier, 20% of the men with prostate cancer ad normal PSA levels. Including myself.
scary...
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So your saying high test=prostate problems?
then what if one takes a trt dose of test but takes 1-2gs of somthing like EQ,Tren or deca? same thing?
That's very interesting. You'd think 250mgs of decca/week would have a very different effect on the prostate than 250mgs of test. At least the biochemistry of the drug alone would dictate as much. Not sure if that's something you'd want to test after prostate cancer scare, but it would seem to make sense.
Plus, let's be honest. If you have problems getting it up after prostate cancer surgery or finding your sex drive, decca is certainly not going to help that situation! ;D
But, it could help you hold onto some muscle if they put you on anti-androgen drugs.
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will, maybe they would prefer the doctor put back the cancer. ::)
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will, maybe they would prefer the doctor put back the cancer. ::)
I asked mine to put it back but he said he already threw it in the trash can. But seriously, there were many days mostly during the first year of recovery that I told my wife I wish I would have left it in. The recovery sucks that bad. But luckily for me things started turning around and got better by the end of the second year. I know that sounds really stupid to say that but god forbid you ever go through it you will think the same thing.
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Something I haven't mentioned is for a month after the surgery you have a catheter in. Then you get it out and you are in full Depends for several months. Then you graduate to the Depends Guards, which is like a pad. I was finally able to not use anything after 2 years of that. Most men have to permanently wear those. Think how unmanly you feel having to wear a diaper or pad and change it almost hourly.
I hope this scares everyone to have PSA tests and digital exams at 40, and earlier if you juice. No, it is no fun having a finger up your ass but it sure beats what I went through.
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Sorry gymrat :(
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Something I haven't mentioned is for a month after the surgery you have a catheter in. Then you get it out and you are in full Depends for several months. Then you graduate to the Depends Guards, which is like a pad. I was finally able to not use anything after 2 years of that. Most men have to permanently wear those. Think how unmanly you feel having to wear a diaper or pad and change it almost hourly.
I hope this scares everyone to have PSA tests and digital exams at 40, and earlier if you juice. No, it is no fun having a finger up your ass but it sure beats what I went through.
i might stick my finger up my ass right now just to be sure...
just kidding
no homo
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Sorry gymrat :(
Thank you very much but I am good. I am able to bang my wife anytime we want to and I don't sit around and piss my pants anymore. That is, unless I sneeze nd I have to piss or trip over something. Thenit will cripple a little. But I can deal with that. I don't know how old you are but never forget what you read here. And tell your fathers and uncles and so on. I was one of those guys that thought I was such a bad ass that nothing could get to me. This fucking cancer turns you into a diaper wearing, limp dick, depressed son of a bitch. Remember that my friends.
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Will do.
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i might stick my finger up my ass right now just to be sure...
just kidding
no homo
We need pics if you do. Before you do pull you nail off 1/2 way so it will hook a hunk of shit like a dew claw.
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i do sport a mo every year with pride