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How many threads would 240 start if Palin uttered these words??
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to “take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.”
Under the Democrats’ economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
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WHY HAS BIDEN NOT DONATED MONEY TO THE US GOVERNMENT THEN?
Typical "tax and spend liberal" who wants to get in everyone else's wallet but has not taken the advanced initiative to pay extra taxes.
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Yeah there was another guy who said that as well.
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WHY HAS BIDEN NOT DONATED MONEY TO THE US GOVERNMENT THEN?
Typical "tax and spend liberal" who wants to get in everyone else's wallet but has not taken the advanced initiative to pay extra taxes.
Maybe the Obama campaign should send the $500,000 that Fannie Mae donated to them to "help America out of the rut". That would show their patriotism, would it not?
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What did that girl on "Larry King Live" call him, "Joe 'open mouth; insert foot" Biden?
Did Obama mentioned this to his Hollywood buddies, during the 31K dinner and a show?
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Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to “take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.”
Under the Democrats’ economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
Biden just offended millionaires.
Methinks they were going to vote mccain already.
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Biden just offended millionaires.
Methinks they were going to vote mccain already.
Not just millionaires are targeted by Biden and his huge Tax and Spend policies..
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Biden just offended millionaires.
Methinks they were going to vote mccain already.
Me thinks someone who makes $250,000 per year isn't a millionaire.
Me thinks that I work for people who do make $250,000 per year and me thinks that if they are taxed higher it will affect my raises, bonus, health insurance, job security, vacation, sick time.........i could go on.
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I think u would be right...also maybe the two idiots that worked for Freddie and fanny, and now work for Obama, ought to give all the money they took, back.
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Me thinks someone who makes $250,000 per year isn't a millionaire.
Me thinks that I work for people who do make $250,000 per year and me thinks that if they are taxed higher it will affect my raises, bonus, health insurance, job security, vacation, sick time.........i could go on.
Amen...stealing from Paul to pay Peter is NEVER a good idea.
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Me thinks someone who makes $250,000 per year isn't a millionaire.
Me thinks that I work for people who do make $250,000 per year and me thinks that if they are taxed higher it will affect my raises, bonus, health insurance, job security, vacation, sick time.........i could go on.
Fair enough.
How many people making 250k a year are voting Dem?
I think they're fine with pissing off 1% of the voters if they can energize the other 99% making under 100k.
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Fair enough.
How many people making 250k a year are voting Dem?
I think they're fine with pissing off 1% of the voters if they can energize the other 99% making under 100k.
It's about principal and unintended consequences more than just pissing people off.
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We've gotten into the bail-out business....it would be worse under a fully dem controled government. McCain has made some correct statements about that and then was under cut by the AIG bailout.....Neither side has made a case for or against this crap.
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It's about principal and unintended consequences more than just pissing people off.
Obama is more concerned with just getting into office. He says what 99% of people wouldn't mind hearing ("more $ for you, less for rich pricks".)
It works.
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Obama is more concerned with just getting into office. He says what 99% of people wouldn't mind hearing ("more $ for you, less for rich pricks".)
It works.
Well I am not sure it works with "Fair Minded" voters. On the surface it is very attractive and you are 100% correct about "Obama is more concerned with just getting into office."
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Well I am not sure it works with "Fair Minded" voters. On the surface it is very attractive and you are 100% correct about "Obama is more concerned with just getting into office."
A lot of fair-minded people are losing their homes and jobs right now, or seeing repo'ed houses on their streets.
Less and less of them are giving a shit about the wallets of some rich prick they'll never meet. You promise them an extra 800 or 1200 a year, they're going to take it.
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A lot of fair-minded people are losing their homes and jobs right now, or seeing repo'ed houses on their streets.
Less and less of them are giving a shit about the wallets of some rich prick they'll never meet. You promise them an extra 800 or 1200 a year, they're going to take it.
How could they be "fair minded" yet dumb as a fucking rock because they couldn't understand the "teaser rate" on their interest only loan?
Bail out corporation isn't good according you, why should bailing an idiotic home owner?
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It's about principal and unintended consequences more than just pissing people off.
Unintended consequences. Exactly.
Most, not all, of the Obama supporters don't know, or care about the unintended consequence of over taxing the rich. All they hear is "tax the rich" and they don't investigate what that actually means. Obama has convinced his hard-core supporters that rich people are evil, he's going to take their money and give to the not-so-rich. All that sounds good on the surface.
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I think u would be right...also maybe the two idiots that worked for Freddie and fanny, and now work for Obama, ought to give all the money they took, back.
How much did homeboy make from that Fannie Mae deal, $90 million? I don't see him coughing up any of that green. In fact, methinks he's digging the Bush tax cuts.
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I'm okay with some corp bailouts. But I don't think a SINGLE homeowner shoudl be bailed out. they were stupid to accept such loans.
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I'm okay with some corp bailouts. But I don't think a SINGLE homeowner shoudl be bailed out. they were stupid to accept such loans.
I'm inclined to agree.
On the patriotism by paying more taxes issue.........another stupid comment.
But just as stupid as dying in Iraq to show your patriotism.
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I think u would be right...also maybe the two idiots that worked for Freddie and fanny, and now work for Obama, ought to give all the money they took, back.
Maybe since they are his economic advisors we can rest safely.
Or at least Obama can explain why between 1987 and present day, he has been the senator with the 2nd largest donations recieved from both Freddy and Fanny....with only 2 years experience
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God forbid a politician speaks the truth about economic sanity and the patriotic duty to pay one's taxes.
Let's not play that game. Everything's great. How about a tax cut Champ? Let's spend another 100 billion on Iraq. Let's throw in a huge tax cut to stimulate the economy.
Who cares if 'borrowing and spending' runs up a tab with interest? We don't have to pay that now. How about a tax cut? Let the next generation figure out how to sort out our debt.
McCain and Bush are bankrupting this country.
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WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”
Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.
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God forbid a politician speaks the truth about economic sanity and the patriotic duty to pay one's taxes.
Let's not play that game. Everything's great. How about a tax cut Champ? Let's spend another 100 billion on Iraq. Let's throw in a huge tax cut to stimulate the economy.
Who cares if 'borrowing and spending' runs up a tab with interest? We don't have to pay that now. How about a tax cut? Let the next generation figure out how to sort out our debt.
McCain and Bush are bankrupting this country.
Is it a combination of the costs of the Iraq war combined with lowering taxes that has greatly contributed to this problem?
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Is it a combination of the costs of the Iraq war combined with lowering taxes that has greatly contributed to this problem?
If gov. spending is through the roof for unnecessary costs like the Iraq war and Bush keeps cutting gov. revenue through tax cuts, then we have the recipe for a massive shortfall and that has happened.
Some debt is necessary to progress--maintain build US's infrastructure, invest in bettering the quality of life for our citizens, etc--debt for a wholly unnecessary war like Iraq is killing us. Bush has doubled the national debt. Red China owns our debt-ridden asses.
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God forbid a politician speaks the truth about economic sanity and the patriotic duty to pay one's taxes.
Why should people who make more be punished for the fact that they're more successful than Joe Blow who sits in his shanty drinking Bud Light?
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No, YOU pay more taxes Coach not the average american who has the vote. Haha enjoy being taxed up the arse! i look forward to the day you can no longer afford the internet 'cause Obama raped you for someones welfare check!
Oh and by the way it's actually better to tax rather than borrow or have you nto noticed the poor economic conditions around america due to the overuse of credit?
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Why should people who make more be punished for the fact that they're more successful than Joe Blow who sits in his shanty drinking Bud Light?
Income taxation is based on an ability to pay. That's why the tax is graded with multiple brackets. Those 'Bud Light' drinkers sweep your streets, serve your coffee, clean your pools and do the low paying shit jobs that have to be done to make our society work. They don't have the ability to pay taxes in the same fashion as high-end earners.
The gov. tries to encourage certain spending behaviors by permitting deductions, exemptions, and deferrals of income so that those highend taxpayers never really pay the full tax amount due on the income earned.
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PALIN'S NEW HAIRCUT - DESIGNED TO HIDE LISTENING DEVICE?
We all heard Romney getting caught red-handed receiving verbal cues during the Repub debates.
Will palin be getting a little help from her friends? I guess we'll see shortly, if she changes her speaking pattern to include pausing every 5 seconds, as Bush did.
Reminds me of the moment Bush said "Let me finish" when no one else in the room was talking.
I guess we'll see how it works on its test run during the katie Couric interview. If she takes a deep pause before responding to technical Qs, then answers in 5 second chunks, we'll know....
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Since coach doesnt make over 250k the tax increase wont effect him. Even Fixed News hammered mcCain for lieing about obama raising taxes
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hate to say it but that c.unt palin scares me almost as much as hillary :-\
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Is it a combination of the costs of the Iraq war combined with lowering taxes that has greatly contributed to this problem?
NO!
Income taxation is based on an ability to pay. That's why the tax is graded with multiple brackets. Those 'Bud Light' drinkers sweep your streets, serve your coffee, clean your pools and do the low paying shit jobs that have to be done to make our society work. They don't have the ability to pay taxes in the same fashion as high-end earners.
The gov. tries to encourage certain spending behaviors by permitting deductions, exemptions, and deferrals of income so that those highend taxpayers never really pay the full tax amount due on the income earned.
You didn't answer the question. Why should the rich be punished for being rich? The rich are the ones who actually pay more taxes already. The top 50% of the income bracket pay 97% of the taxes.
Those rich people are the ones who create those jobs you mentioned. Do you think they are going to offer more jobs, pay decent wages, have more benefits if they're getting taxed to death? No, they're not.
Besides why would these "bud light drinkers" even want to work or better themselves if they know Obama is going to provide for them.
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Income taxation is based on an ability to pay. That's why the tax is graded with multiple brackets. Those 'Bud Light' drinkers sweep your streets, serve your coffee, clean your pools and do the low paying shit jobs that have to be done to make our society work. They don't have the ability to pay taxes in the same fashion as high-end earners.
The gov. tries to encourage certain spending behaviors by permitting deductions, exemptions, and deferrals of income so that those highend taxpayers never really pay the full tax amount due on the income earned.
They don't have the ability because they made a choice to be uneducated, a choice to forgo marketable job skills, the choice to avoid risk and build a business.
The high-end earners already pay their fair share in taxes, not to mention they spend more, invest in and own the companies that provide jobs and products to "the bud light drinkers"........all of which help the economy.
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Kinda long
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/wp1.pdf
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The middle class would receive a small tax cut under McCain and larger cut under Obama.................sh ouldn't they be patriotic too and pay more?
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Busted, I do (my business) makes more and I will get taxed up the ass, but make no mistake, this clown will tax EVERYONE one way or another. Nothing like doubling cap gains for starter eh?
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You didn't answer the question. Why should the rich be punished for being rich? The rich are the ones who actually pay more taxes already. The top 50% of the income bracket pay 97% of the taxes.
Those rich people are the ones who create those jobs you mentioned. Do you think they are going to offer more jobs, pay decent wages, have more benefits if they're getting taxed to death? No, they're not.
Besides why would these "bud light drinkers" even want to work or better themselves if they know Obama is going to provide for them.
"ability to pay" "ability to pay" "ability to pay"....there's your answer.
Punish the rich? Talk about crying, whining and blubbering. Income tax was created as a graded tax and the selfish, cheap 'wealthy' have not stopped complaining since.
The rich do not pay 97% of taxes. That's pure manure. Does that include sales, excise, capital gains, and the like? I didn't think so.
Taxed to death? Being a little demagogic aren't we? Taxes are related to the social contract that frames our government and our way of life. Paying one's taxes keeps our way of life possible.
The proper top marginal tax rate is fair game for debate. Your demagoguery on the matter is not.
Yes, the election of Obama means a free ride for everyone on the coat tails of the true producers in this country: the pennypolishing rightwingers who would just as soon see a single mother left to the streets rather than a governmenatl program that could help her.
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Busted, I do (my business) makes more and I will get taxed up the ass, but make no mistake, this clown will tax EVERYONE one way or another. Nothing like doubling cap gains for starter eh?
Get your facts straight, the average joe is better off with obama than with mccain, when it comes to taxes.
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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A JEW TO SAY....
It's all about the MONEY with them.
biden is jewish?
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They don't have the ability because they made a choice to be uneducated, a choice to forgo marketable job skills, the choice to avoid risk and build a business.
The high-end earners already pay their fair share in taxes, not to mention they spend more, invest in and own the companies that provide jobs and products to "the bud light drinkers"........all of which help the economy.
What makes you think that moderate and poor wage earners are where they are b/c of the choices they made?
Isn't that a wonderfully convenient 1/2 truth? They get what they deserve!
Unfortunately life is little more complex than that. Talent, intelligence, nepotism, timing, luck and host of other factors go into the equation for achievement in one's life. Bush would not have been president if his old man were not president first. He clearly had no talent for the job.
If individual effort were indicative of success, we'd have a lot more millionaires. Hell, the garbage men work hard...police work hard....firemen work hard...are they rich? No. But they are damn sure necessary to running a coherent civil society.
The really rich are also massive consumers of american work product: the internet, or rural electrification or defense/nasa technology 'shared' with private enterprise. How about the billion dollar bail outs of the really rich--auto makers, the S&L scandal, Bear Stearns, and now Fannie Mae? It's called socializing the cost of business while privatizing the profit.
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WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”
Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.
This guy loves defining whats patriotic.I wonder how plagerism fits into his definition of patriotic?I wonder if lying about the circumstances of his wifes death is patriotic?This man is a fool and an enemy of liberty.
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Biden just can't help himself. How many more dumb comments can he make before November?
Taxes are a necessary evil. They are punitive. There is nothing patriotic at all about people paying more taxes. And this income thing is nonsense. Many small business owners fall into this "high" income category. Many people with families make this "high" income and are not wealthy.
He and B. Hussein need to cut the class warfare crap.
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Joe, you make over $250k. Obama will cost you what, 20k a year? I can see why you don't like him.
For 95% of Americans, Obama's tax plan wil benefit us. I make under $250k, so it will benefit me.
it's not about what's right or wrong for everyone, it's about what's right or wrong for each individual.
John Doe reading this thread has a choice. Vote for the guy that'll put $800 in his pocket, or vote for the guy that will keep $20k in your (Joe's) pocket. Keeping in mind that for the last 8 years, we've had the guy putting $20k in your pocket every year, John Doe might decide it's his turn to catch a break.
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Get your facts straight, the average joe is better off with obama than with mccain, when it comes to taxes.
Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people? I don't think so.
Bigger government
Government health care
Taking money from high earners to give to low wage earners
Doubling cap gains
Government ran oil companies
I don't depend on the government to support my family, why shouldn't any able body person do the same?
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"ability to pay" "ability to pay" "ability to pay"....there's your answer.
Punish the rich? Talk about crying, whining and blubbering. Income tax was created as a graded tax and the selfish, cheap 'wealthy' have not stopped complaining since.
The rich do not pay 97% of taxes. That's pure manure. Does that include sales, excise, capital gains, and the like? I didn't think so.
Taxed to death? Being a little demagogic aren't we? Taxes are related to the social contract that frames our government and our way of life. Paying one's taxes keeps our way of life possible.
The proper top marginal tax rate is fair game for debate. Your demagoguery on the matter is not.
Yes, the election of Obama means a free ride for everyone on the coat tails of the true producers in this country: the pennypolishing rightwingers who would just as soon see a single mother left to the streets rather than a governmenatl program that could help her.
I never said the rich pay 97% of the taxes. The rich pay roughly 50% of the taxes.
How am I being a demagogue?? I'm stating facts, not playing on emotions. I think you're doing that with the "rightwingers who would just as soon see a single mother left to the streets rather than a governmenatl program that could help her comment. What the hell does that mean? There's a difference in someone living off the gov't for years and someone who needs some assistance for a short time.
Besides, you're contradicting yourself. The rich are the ones who carry the tax burden while a lot of these taxes are going to their government programs to support them. How much are we (the tax payers) supposed to support someone who:
A: Doesn't pay their share of the tax burden?
B: Depends on government to keep food on their table.
Seems to me these welfare programs should carry a big share of the blame on this economic problem.
And did you know when Clinton issued his welfare reform Obama was against it?? It's true.
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At least we won't have to worry about him, as Palin will be Vice President NOT Biden.
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Joe, you make over $250k. Obama will cost you what, 20k a year? I can see why you don't like him.
For 95% of Americans, Obama's tax plan wil benefit us. I make under $250k, so it will benefit me.
it's not about what's right or wrong for everyone, it's about what's right or wrong for each individual.
John Doe reading this thread has a choice. Vote for the guy that'll put $800 in his pocket, or vote for the guy that will keep $20k in your (Joe's) pocket. Keeping in mind that for the last 8 years, we've had the guy putting $20k in your pocket every year, John Doe might decide it's his turn to catch a break.
Then add in my property taxes.......1.25% = an additional $20,000 year
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Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people? I don't think so.
Bigger government
Government health care
Taking money from high earners to give to low wage earners
Doubling cap gains
Government ran oil companies
I don't depend on the government to support my family, why shouldn't any able body person do the same?
Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?
Not everyone was born with the advantages you were. You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS. Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat? And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?
You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years. You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in. A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it. The rich got richer.
But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.
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Biden just can't help himself. How many more dumb comments can he make before November?
Taxes are a necessary evil. They are punitive. There is nothing patriotic at all about people paying more taxes. And this income thing is nonsense. Many small business owners fall into this "high" income category. Many people with families make this "high" income and are not wealthy.
He and B. Hussein need to cut the class warfare crap.
You are true class warrior. Are you rich? Why are you carrying water for the rich? Don't you have yourself to worry about?
If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?
It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime.
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Then add in my property taxes.......1.25% = an additional $20,000 year
Yes, it totally sucks for you. You're going to pay a lot more with Obama.
Hopefully you did what most rich people did during the last 8 years (and during every republican presidency). You enjoyed the tax shelters, invested in their wars (Both Bushes started wars, and smart repubs invested in oil and military firm stocks like haliburton).
With the extra $ you kept from taxes, quadrupling it in the market over the last 7 years of war, you could be sitting at close to a cool million right now in the bank. You're prepared for a Dem presidency because, after all, you understand the importance of economic cycles, and you know that without a dem cycle to reset the lower and middle class, our society would falter.
You did all this, right?
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WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”
Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.
Did you read your own post?!
The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.
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You are true class warrior. Are you rich? Why are you carrying water for the rich? Don't you have yourself to worry about?
If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?
It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime.
I'm carrying water for me and my country. :) I worry about everyone. I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other. That's a liberal, class warfare thing.
No, paying taxes isn't patriotic. As I said, it's a necessary evil. People pay taxes because they don't want to go to jail and want some basic government services. I haven't met anyone who loves paying taxes. This patriotic line is a new one. It will not fly.
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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A JEW TO SAY....
It's all about the MONEY with them.
don't you ever fucking say that, it's because of people like you that there was a holocaust. So what if people earning more money pay more taxes? it's better than the current proposal of people who earn less pay more taxes. If i probably ever heard someone say that in real life i would kill them.
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Did you read your own post?!
The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.
Joe, he's right. You just disproved McCain's claim.
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along with the fact that for the rest of us who earn less than 250,000, we're not lazy, we're normal people, fuck you too for thinking the rest of us just sit around and eat chips while you're slaving away. ::)
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I never said the rich pay 97% of the taxes. The rich pay roughly 50% of the taxes.
How am I being a demagogue?? I'm stating facts, not playing on emotions. I think you're doing that with the "rightwingers who would just as soon see a single mother left to the streets rather than a governmenatl program that could help her comment. What the hell does that mean?
It means that any tax on the rich is too much of a tax. Under a progressive income tax system EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME TAX RATE. The more money earned, the higher tax for that amount in that particular bracket. Just b/c some Jimdandy is in the 35% bracket does not mean he pays 35% on all money earned.
There's a difference in someone living off the gov't for years and someone who needs some assistance for a short time. Besides, you're contradicting yourself. The rich are the ones who carry the tax burden while a lot of these taxes are going to their government programs to support them. How much are we (the tax payers) supposed to support someone who:
A: Doesn't pay their share of the tax burden?
B: Depends on government to keep food on their table.
Where's the contradiction? As I pointed out, everybody pays the same tax rate at the same tax bracket--how is that not paying their fair share? Most AFDC recipients are off the dole less than 2 years:
Percent of
Time on AFDC Recipients
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Less than 7 months 19.0%
7 to 12 months 15.2
One to two years 19.3
Two to five years 26.9
Over five years 19.6
source: Overview of Entitlement Programs, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1994).
That's old Info too. With Clinton's reformation of Welfare, they are kicked off even faster.
Seems to me these welfare programs should carry a big share of the blame on this economic problem.
And did you know when Clinton issued his welfare reform Obama was against it?? It's true.
I was against Clinton's welfare reform too. Welfare is about 1% of gov. expenditures. What problem are you referring to?
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WHY HAS BIDEN NOT DONATED MONEY TO THE US GOVERNMENT THEN?
Typical "tax and spend liberal" who wants to get in everyone else's wallet but has not taken the advanced initiative to pay extra taxes.
Hmmmm, I am not 100% for socialism , but considering how the deregulated investment banks worked out so well , I would opt for some new direction. ;)
The republicans were unrestricted free markets or bust....and busted they did.
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I'm carrying water for me and my country. :) I worry about everyone. I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other. That's a liberal, class warfare thing.
Oh. So you just ignore the reality that bills must be paid and that income tax is based on an ability to pay. As an elitest apologist, you should know that not everybody is the same economically. Honestly BB, I don't know where you pull that commie crap from, but there are real economic differences amongst the people.
No, paying taxes isn't patriotic. As I said, it's a necessary evil. People pay taxes because they don't want to go to jail and want some basic government services. I haven't met anyone who loves paying taxes. This patriotic line is a new one. It will not fly.
Who cares whether you love to pay your taxes. It's your patriotic duty to support your country and our way of life.
Or do you believe that you and your elite overlords--the rich--can use USA gov services and not pay for them?
At least your honest.
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Thee are taxes and there is the wasted and bloated government speding that will only get worse under Obama. U can cut taxes if we're not wasting money on every little thing, to include a preposed Universal healthcare system.
Howard I would agree except u had Dems in key positions in some of those organizations that robbed them blind. U had Dems whining that everybody deserved a house, u had idiots who had no business owning houses etc...now some of those Dems are key obama economic advisors.
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You are true class warrior. Are you rich? Why are you carrying water for the rich? Don't you have yourself to worry about?
If taxes support and sustain the US way of life, isn't the payment of those taxes a tad bit patriotic?
It is to me and everyone else who is not so miserly and egotistical to think that they earned their money all by their lonesome....without gov. you guys would not make one thin dime.
My lord, those are some dumb comments.
Without the gov't I wouldn't make a dime????? Last time I checked the US gov't isn't communisim.
We are capitalist. Meaning the gov't doesn't control private business or their profits.
Carrying water for the rich????? Don't you understand at just about any job the bosses of the company are probably rich. They control your pay and benefits. And much much more. If the gov't taxes them more don't you know that will affect you!
~It will affect whatever product or service they are providing to us, THE CONSUMERS. Because they will recover their lose by raising their prices.
~They won't invest as nearly as much in the market. Which will hurt other businesses and the economy
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Oh. So you just ignore the reality that bills must be paid and that income tax is based on an ability to pay. As an elitest apologist, you should know that not everybody is the same economically. Honestly BB, I don't know where you pull that commie crap from, but there are real economic differences amongst the people.
Who cares whether you love to pay your taxes. It's your patriotic duty to support your country and our way of life.
Or do you believe that you and your elite overlords--the rich--can use USA gov services and not pay for them?
At least your honest.
Who said bills don't have to be paid? The taxpayers are paying the bills. As a liberal apologist, you should know that high income earners pay the lion's share of the income taxes in this country and that many lower income people pay little if any income taxes.
And where exactly did I say there are no differences among people? We're talking about segregating portions of the population and then punishing certain segments so some idiot politicians can pay for government programs. I don't support those kinds of socialist ideas.
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Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?
Not everyone was born with the advantages you were. You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS. Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat? And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?
You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years. You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in. A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it. The rich got richer.
But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.
A 15 year old cant afford to eat?In America?Are you kidding me?Poor here means one television and basic cable.Anyone that is hungry in this country wants to be hungry or is too stupid to ask for help.Knock on the door of any church and tell them your hungry and I gurantee you will get fed.Stop being dramatic.You sound as silly as Obama.
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Please read, this is important.
Thats just in regards to income tax. Obama's plan will raise all sorts of taxes. The marriage tax, payroll taxes (which hurts all businesses), capital gains taxes (hurts all business owners, investros and trickles down to hiring practices and all employees), estate taxes, and taxes on some utilities.
I hear a report from an analyst group that says Obama's nationalized healthcare will NOT be covered under the tax increases he proposes....so guess what...it either gets abandoned or he finds new taxes!
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coach wont recover
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Why are people "lazy" because they earn less than $250k?
Not everyone was born with the advantages you were. You admitted you were 15 years old and your doctor was giving you AAS. Do you know how many 15-year olds out there can't afford to eat? And you were getting scripts for Deca at that age?
You're doing great for yourself - but Bush has hooked you (and others making $250k+) up sweet for the last 8 years. You've had minimal taxes, and a war to invest all that extra money in. A lot of repubs are loaded right now thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and the middle class has shrunk a LOT because of it. The rich got richer.
But the poor got a hell of a lot poorer in the last 8 years.
Rob, what advantages was I born with? I built my small business with almost nothing. As for when I was 15.....I was working for gym after school so I had my own money. I think at that time it was costing something like $15 for 1/2cc of deca and about $40 for 100 dbol tabs and I was only taking 1-2 tabs per day. You can't compare then to now, thats a rediculous comparison.
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Did you read your own post?!
The quote you bolded to "prove" your point was an ad by mccain. LOL, real unbiased info. Your post DID contain info from unbiased/non-partisan groups which say FOUR out of FIVE households would receive tax CUTS under Obama. Only if you earn more than $250,000 a year would you pay more than now.
You need to read between the lines. You think income tax is going to get cut, that being said Obama will raise taxes in other areas to make up for it. It's a scam.
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well, poverty in america isn't as hard to find as you think. i work with a guy who needs to work 40 hours a week along with school to pay for his expenses. Yes, you succeeded, but not everyone succeeds. don't blame us.
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Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people? I don't think so.
Government health care
Taking money from high earners to give to low wage earners
These are valid points, but aren't they the true foundation of Christianity ? Just wondering.
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My lord, those are some dumb comments.
Without the gov't I wouldn't make a dime????? Last time I checked the US gov't isn't communisim.
We are capitalist. Meaning the gov't doesn't control private business or their profits.
Last time I checked you didn't create your own education, safe food supply, property rights, potable water, freeways and....your own money, so the 'one thin dime' statement stands. You know who did those things for you? People acting under the direction provided by government.
Carrying water for the rich????? Don't you understand at just about any job the bosses of the company are probably rich. They control your pay and benefits. And much much more. If the gov't taxes them more don't you know that will affect you!
So what? Spreading around the costs of the demands of our country is fine with me. Insurance is predicated on that. I have the same view of corporate taxation.
~It will affect whatever product or service they are providing to us, THE CONSUMERS. Because they will recover their lose by raising their prices.
~They won't invest as nearly as much in the market. Which will hurt other businesses and the economy
You grossly overstate the effects of taxation. Even when the US had a top income tax bracket of 91% back in the 1950s, the standard of living was high. If these rich people don't want to put in the effort to earn more b/c the tax burdern is so heavy, then fuck them...let the free market knock them out of the equation b/c there's always somebody else willing to step in and grab the market share. The free market in action.
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well, poverty in america isn't as hard to find as you think. i work with a guy who needs to work 40 hours a week along with school to pay for his expenses. Yes, you succeeded, but not everyone succeeds. don't blame us.
So what your saying is because I succeeded (or trying to succeed) I should have to take from my family to pay for him? This is whats great about America, you can make as much or as little as you want. This isn't a socialist country but if Obama gets his way it will be almost communist.
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These are valid points, but aren't they the true foundation of Christianity ? Just wondering.
I give and donate money voluntarly and regularly, no one forces me, Obama wants to force me to give up money.
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PALIN'S NEW HAIRCUT - DESIGNED TO HIDE LISTENING DEVICE?
We all heard Romney getting caught red-handed receiving verbal cues during the Repub debates.
Will palin be getting a little help from her friends? I guess we'll see shortly, if she changes her speaking pattern to include pausing every 5 seconds, as Bush did.
Reminds me of the moment Bush said "Let me finish" when no one else in the room was talking.
I guess we'll see how it works on its test run during the katie Couric interview. If she takes a deep pause before responding to technical Qs, then answers in 5 second chunks, we'll know....
Oh Brother ::)
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Oh Brother ::)
The debates roll around...
If Obama suddenly wore a new hat which covered his left ear, then he flawlessly delivered great answers off the top of his head, which included statistics, cites, and a clever joke...
You'd be the biggest CTer on here, yelling that he's a damn cheater.
This is nothing more than an interesting change in style resulting in one ear being covered. There is precedent - Bush wore some odd body wiring system, and NBC admits the "He raised taxes" line came directly out of Mitt Romney's mic when he wasn't talking, and happened to fit his next line of answers perfectly
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Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+. Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs. Also, gov programs are long term. Wars and financial crisis have time limits. Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way. I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short. So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush). I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.
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Who said bills don't have to be paid? The taxpayers are paying the bills. As a liberal apologist, you should know that high income earners pay the lion's share of the income taxes in this country and that many lower income people pay little if any income taxes.
If the wealthy do not pay more in tax, where do you get the money from? Obviously you raise taxes on the poor and middle class. It's that kind of egotistical romantic garbage that is circumvented by the progressive income tax rate. At one time, government was populated by the best and brightest. Then rightwing got its meat hooks into our gov. and it's not the same.
And where exactly did I say there are no differences among people? We're talking about segregating portions of the population and then punishing certain segments so some idiot politicians can pay for government programs. I don't support those kinds of socialist ideas.
"I don't segregate the population . . ." If you don't segregate the population for purposes of taxation according to the ability to pay, then you are viewing the american populace as an undifferentiated whole where there are no distinctions economically. That's just communist blather.
With taxation, you seem to pride yourself on a 'perspective' of blind egoism and selfishness over shared concern and effort.
My brother's keeper, indeed!
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The debates roll around...
If Obama suddenly wore a new hat which covered his left ear, then he flawlessly delivered great answers off the top of his head, which included statistics, cites, and a clever joke...
You'd be the biggest CTer on here, yelling that he's a damn cheater.
This is nothing more than an interesting change in style resulting in one ear being covered. There is precedent - Bush wore some odd body wiring system, and NBC admits the "He raised taxes" line came directly out of Mitt Romney's mic when he wasn't talking, and happened to fit his next line of answers perfectly
He couldn't ware a hat with them big ass ears, they'd blend in with the brim.
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Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+. Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs. Also, gov programs are long term. Wars and financial crisis have time limits. Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way. I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short. So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush). I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.
I agree.
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He couldn't ware a hat with them big ass ears, they'd blend in with the brim.
Thank you for not denying you'd be the biggest CTer on here about it.
You know it's true. It's probably nothing - but - palin has been getting her ass handed to her in debates, and she has to face Katie Couric shortly, which will get ugly. Couric is going to ask her some tough Qs.
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don't you ever fucking say that, it's because of people like you that there was a holocaust.
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Thank you for not denying you'd be the biggest CTer on here about it.
You know it's true. It's probably nothing - but - palin has been getting her ass handed to her in debates, and she has to face Katie Couric shortly, which will get ugly. Couric is going to ask her some tough Qs.
Admit it Rob......she looked hot in that inteview with Hannity last night!
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Admit it Rob......she looked hot in that inteview with Hannity last night!
Hell yeah she looked hot :)
Also I love most of her domestic positions.
But I still feel she's trying to get a job she's not prepared for. She might do fine. But she might fck up royally. Obama's had 11 years of senate experience on state and national level... He's new, but he knows how to now fck thigns up. Palins been in office 18 months and spent a shitload of money, and got herself in hot troopergate water.
*Also noteworthy - check out her slide in the last week----->>?
Being completely honest - I don't think she's the caliber of person which should lead the country. Mccain, Biden, and even Obama are.
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If the wealthy do not pay more in tax, where do you get the money from? Obviously you raise taxes on the poor and middle class. It's that kind of egotistical romantic garbage that is circumvented by the progressive income tax rate. At one time, government was populated by the best and brightest. Then rightwing got its meat hooks into our gov. and it's not the same.
"I don't segregate the population . . ." If you don't segregate the population for purposes of taxation according to the ability to pay, then you are viewing the american populace as an undifferentiated whole where there are no distinctions economically. That's just communist blather.
With taxation, you seem to pride yourself on a 'perspective' of blind egoism and selfishness over shared concern and effort.
My brother's keeper, indeed!
We're not just talking about the "wealthy." We're talking about individuals and businesses that have the misfortune of earning "high" incomes. The "wealthy" are always going to pay more in taxes, whether it's a progressive tax or flat tax, because they typically earn more income. I never suggested that should change. My view is government should be trying to reduce everyone's tax burden. What the government should not do is target successful people and punish them solely to pay for some government program.
Nice selective, misleading use of my quote. Here is the full quote:
I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other. That's a liberal, class warfare thing.
Pitting groups against each is not good policy. You don't intentionally alienate portions of the population to try and give (false) help to other portions of the population. Not good policy.
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America needs to get over this fascination with seeing ordinary people put into positions of power. I don't want my some Joe Schmoe running the country, I want the leader of the largest free nation in the world to be at least smarter than me and know what the hell he/she is doing.
And you are on some serious crack Coach if you think the republicans don't' want bigger government. They're just as bad as the Dems when it comes to more government, more regulations and more control over our freedoms. Stop spouting that right wing bullshit because it doesn't fly with anyone here. Argue about something significant and not some bullshit that your party is just as guilty of if you want to argue about something.
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America needs to get over this fascination with seeing ordinary people put into positions of power. I don't want my some Joe Schmoe running the country, I want the leader of the largest free nation in the world to be at least smarter than me and know what the hell he/she is doing.And you are on some serious crack Coach if you think the republicans don't' want bigger government. They're just as bad as the Dems when it comes to more government, more regulations and more control over our freedoms. Stop spouting that right wing bullshit because it doesn't fly with anyone here. Argue about something significant and not some bullshit that your party is just as guilty of if you want to argue about something.
So having a some corrupt Washington insider is your way to run the country?
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So having a some corrupt Washington insider is your way to run the country?
Sarah Palin spent $400,000 of state money to "educate" Alaskans about aerial hunting of wolves and bears.
Ouch!
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Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people start re paying the Bush administrations catastrophic dept? [u]I don't [/u] think so.
:D
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Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+. Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs. Also, gov programs are long term. Wars and financial crisis have time limits. Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way. I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short. So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush). I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.
shut your mouth with this scare mongering rubbish. Business has had it sweet during this period and as i've said many times before, tax cuts for people will allow them to spend more. If your products are sh*t then don't go asking for tax breaks from the government to keep your business afloat. That my friend, is socialism.
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Please read, this is important.
Thats just in regards to income tax. Obama's plan will raise all sorts of taxes. The marriage tax, payroll taxes (which hurts all businesses), capital gains taxes (hurts all business owners, investros and trickles down to hiring practices and all employees), estate taxes, and taxes on some utilities.
I hear a report from an analyst group that says Obama's nationalized healthcare will NOT be covered under the tax increases he proposes....so guess what...it either gets abandoned or he finds new taxes!
Everybody miss this post?
Sure your income tax might go down, but a lot of other taxes are gonna go up.
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You didn't answer the question. Why should the rich be punished for being rich? The rich are the ones who actually pay more taxes already. The top 50% of the income bracket pay 97% of the taxes.
Those rich people are the ones who create those jobs you mentioned. Do you think they are going to offer more jobs, pay decent wages, have more benefits if they're getting taxed to death? No, they're not.
Because they have a duty of care to the United States.
And how else do you propose the US government continue to operate? Bush has been spending like crazy the last 8 years and has been easing taxes on the rich, so naturally what goes around comes around. You think we should continue to borrow more and more?
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Everybody miss this post?
Sure your income tax might go down, but a lot of other taxes are gonna go up.
he's just BSing cause his business relies on current tax breaks to make payroll. Oh no Marriage Tax will go up, like what 20 cents? please it's not going to break the bank of anyone and will be offset by more people, have more money in their pockets. Fact is America has been running in the red for too long under the republicans.
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"Dont ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country"
"Candidate Y is going to raise taxes on product X and its going to cost me Z. So Im for candidate H, even though he is against legislation G (legislation which damages our inherent freedoms to life liberty and pursuit of happyness). Because obviously i cant think about what is proper, what is right, or what is best for the country... I only care about what is best for ME. "
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We're not just talking about the "wealthy." We're talking about individuals and businesses that have the misfortune of earning "high" incomes. The "wealthy" are always going to pay more in taxes, whether it's a progressive tax or flat tax, because they typically earn more income. I never suggested that should change. My view is government should be trying to reduce everyone's tax burden. What the government should not do is target successful people and punish them solely to pay for some government program.
I don't like paying taxes either but I pay them b/c I support my country with more than just the words from my mouth.
If the rich don't want the burden of higher taxes paid at higher tax brackets then they are totally free to stop earning once they reach the bracket limit they are most comfortable at. It is a free country.
Nice selective, misleading use of my quote. Here is the full quote:
Pitting groups against each is not good policy. You don't intentionally alienate portions of the population to try and give (false) help to other portions of the population. Not good policy.
Someone has to be selective around here. 'misleading', I don't think so.
We are discussing income taxes and you drop a beauty like I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other.
then what exactly are you saying?
If you don't segregate btn rich and poor like us evil jealous liberals, then you are viewing an undifferentiated mass where everybody is looked at as the same.
No sweat off my sack if you want to argue that. I'm merely showing that there has to be some common sense injected into the tax discussion and taxation according to ability to pay is wiser than your analysis of the undifferentiated masses.
Which groups are these whiny rich elites getting pitted against? Is it the mighty poor? Is it the average voter out there, half of which vote republican? Or is it the liberals picking on the rich, well, just b/c they are rich and should be knocked down a peg?
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Socialism = wealth distribution
Obama supporters = Take whats urs and give it to me
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kc, what I said is true, its not disputable. It comes down to how much influence you want the gov to have in our lives. There are good arguments on both sides. Ex...though Decker & I disagree on several overall policies, his points are well thought out and make sense from a particular perspective. This is where economic experts disagree and there is no end in sight. Unfortunately gov size & spending have grown under repubs and democrats...thats why washington is broken IMO.
For me, I'd rather have a smaller government because I have learned that hard work allows for the most opportunity and rewards and I want to decide the fate of the majority of my earnings. Gov and taxes are necessary....its the size of the gov and rate of taxation thats debateable. The founding fathers warned of big government.
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Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+. Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs. Also, gov programs are long term. Wars and financial crisis have time limits. Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way. I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short. So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush). I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.
I agree. Capital gains tax increases too, if we elect Obama.
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Right. Let's keep smiling and borrowing money from the Red Chinese to pay our bills.
That's just sad.
That head-in-the-sand approach to governance is what makes the republican party work.
Tell people what they want to hear instead of the truth.
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How many threads would 240 start if Palin uttered these words??
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to “take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.”
Under the Democrats’ economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
What an arrogant asshole.
It's your patriotic duty to be a strong and independent man so that you can take care of yourself and your family. We can't be compassionate and charitable Americans if we have nothing to give because asshole socialists in Washington take it all away. Since when did robbing Peter to pay Paul become morally acceptable?
Statements like that reminds me of the logic of spoiled children. Don't worry about personal accountability or responsibility. Mom and Dad will always be there to bail you out!
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Right, we cannot continue to borrow from the Chinese. We must decrease government spending across the board. Neither candidate is making this a priority.
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McCain said he'd end earmarks...u know everybody with their hand out will something from the Obama gravytrain.
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Right, we cannot continue to borrow from the Chinese. We must decrease government spending across the board. Neither candidate is making this a priority.
Decrease it? What's costing us 12 billion a week? lol.
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NO!
Lemme guess......It's the Democrats fault?
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The government could easily raise money by adding a little extra sales tax to items that are unhealthy for you. Think of the billions spent each year on healthcare treating people that have destroyed their health doing idiotic things like smoking cigarettes, abusing alcohol, eating sugary or fat laden foods. I propose an additional sales tax on cigarettes, shitty, cheap hard liquor, crap food like Twinkies, chips, fried garbage. The losers that consume this crap are still going to buy it even if it's 50 cents more. This could raise billions.
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That is why there shouldn't be national healthcare. I shouldn't have to pay for people who eat poorly and don't take care of themselves.
People only hear the word "freedom", but they never hear the word "responsibility."
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The government doesn't really care about poor people. They don't even care about rich people! The people they do care about are rich dead people. Think about it. How much money does the government get when a rich person die$.
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A lot. More if Obama is elected. Death tax.