Biden: Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism

[240 is Back]

Oh Brother

The debates roll around...

If Obama suddenly wore a new hat which covered his left ear, then he flawlessly delivered great answers off the top of his head, which included statistics, cites, and a clever joke...

You'd be the biggest CTer on here, yelling that he's a damn cheater.


This is nothing more than an interesting change in style resulting in one ear being covered.  There is precedent - Bush wore some odd body wiring system, and NBC admits the "He raised taxes" line came directly out of Mitt Romney's mic when he wasn't talking, and happened to fit his next line of answers perfectly

[shootfighter1]

Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+.  Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs.  Also, gov programs are long term.  Wars and financial crisis have time limits.  Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way.  I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short.  So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush).  I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.

[Decker]

Who said bills don't have to be paid?  The taxpayers are paying the bills.  As a liberal apologist, you should know that high income earners pay the lion's share of the income taxes in this country and that many lower income people pay little if any income taxes.

If the wealthy do not pay more in tax, where do you get the money from?  Obviously you raise taxes on the poor and middle class.  It's that kind of egotistical romantic garbage that is circumvented by the progressive income tax rate.  At one time, government was populated by the best and brightest.  Then rightwing got its meat hooks into our gov. and it's not the same.

And where exactly did I say there are no differences among people?  We're talking about segregating portions of the population and then punishing certain segments so some idiot politicians can pay for government programs.  I don't support those kinds of socialist ideas.   

     

"I don't segregate the population . . ." If you don't segregate the population for purposes of taxation according to the ability to pay, then you are viewing the american populace as an undifferentiated whole where there are no distinctions economically.  That's just communist blather.

With taxation, you seem to pride yourself on a 'perspective' of blind egoism and selfishness over shared concern and effort.

My brother's keeper, indeed!

[The Coach]

The debates roll around...

If Obama suddenly wore a new hat which covered his left ear, then he flawlessly delivered great answers off the top of his head, which included statistics, cites, and a clever joke...

You'd be the biggest CTer on here, yelling that he's a damn cheater.


This is nothing more than an interesting change in style resulting in one ear being covered.  There is precedent - Bush wore some odd body wiring system, and NBC admits the "He raised taxes" line came directly out of Mitt Romney's mic when he wasn't talking, and happened to fit his next line of answers perfectly

He couldn't ware a hat with them big ass ears, they'd blend in with the brim.

[The Coach]

Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+.  Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs.  Also, gov programs are long term.  Wars and financial crisis have time limits.  Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way.  I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short.  So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush).  I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.

I agree.

[240 is Back]

He couldn't ware a hat with them big ass ears, they'd blend in with the brim.

Thank you for not denying you'd be the biggest CTer on here about it.

You know it's true.  It's probably nothing - but - palin has been getting her ass handed to her in debates, and she has to face Katie Couric shortly, which will get ugly.  Couric is going to ask her some tough Qs.

[m8]

don't you ever fucking say that, it's because of people like you that there was a holocaust.

 

[The Coach]

Thank you for not denying you'd be the biggest CTer on here about it.

You know it's true.  It's probably nothing - but - palin has been getting her ass handed to her in debates, and she has to face Katie Couric shortly, which will get ugly.  Couric is going to ask her some tough Qs.

Admit it Rob......she looked hot in that inteview with Hannity last night!

[240 is Back]

Admit it Rob......she looked hot in that inteview with Hannity last night!

Hell yeah she looked hot

Also I love most of her domestic positions.

But I still feel she's trying to get a job she's not prepared for.  She might do fine.  But she might fck up royally.  Obama's had 11 years of senate experience on state and national level... He's new, but he knows how to now fck thigns up.  Palins been in office 18 months and spent a shitload of money, and got herself in hot troopergate water.


*Also noteworthy - check out her slide in the last week----->>?
Being completely honest - I don't think she's the caliber of person which should lead the country.  Mccain, Biden, and even Obama are.

[Dos Equis]

If the wealthy do not pay more in tax, where do you get the money from?  Obviously you raise taxes on the poor and middle class.  It's that kind of egotistical romantic garbage that is circumvented by the progressive income tax rate.  At one time, government was populated by the best and brightest.  Then rightwing got its meat hooks into our gov. and it's not the same.
     

"I don't segregate the population . . ." If you don't segregate the population for purposes of taxation according to the ability to pay, then you are viewing the american populace as an undifferentiated whole where there are no distinctions economically.  That's just communist blather.

With taxation, you seem to pride yourself on a 'perspective' of blind egoism and selfishness over shared concern and effort.

My brother's keeper, indeed!

We're not just talking about the "wealthy."  We're talking about individuals and businesses that have the misfortune of earning "high" incomes. The "wealthy" are always going to pay more in taxes, whether it's a progressive tax or flat tax, because they typically earn more income.  I never suggested that should change.  My view is government should be trying to reduce everyone's tax burden.  What the government should not do is target successful people and punish them solely to pay for some government program. 

Nice selective, misleading use of my quote.  Here is the full quote:

I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other.  That's a liberal, class warfare thing.   

Pitting groups against each is not good policy.  You don't intentionally alienate portions of the population to try and give (false) help to other portions of the population.  Not good policy.   

[Emmortal]

America needs to get over this fascination with seeing ordinary people put into positions of power.  I don't want my some Joe Schmoe running the country, I want the leader of the largest free nation in the world to be at least smarter than me and know what the hell he/she is doing.

And you are on some serious crack Coach if you think the republicans don't' want bigger government.  They're just as bad as the Dems when it comes to more government, more regulations and more control over our freedoms.  Stop spouting that right wing bullshit because it doesn't fly with anyone here.  Argue about something significant and not some bullshit that your party is just as guilty of if you want to argue about something.

[The Coach]

America needs to get over this fascination with seeing ordinary people put into positions of power.  I don't want my some Joe Schmoe running the country, I want the leader of the largest free nation in the world to be at least smarter than me and know what the hell he/she is doing.And you are on some serious crack Coach if you think the republicans don't' want bigger government.  They're just as bad as the Dems when it comes to more government, more regulations and more control over our freedoms.  Stop spouting that right wing bullshit because it doesn't fly with anyone here.  Argue about something significant and not some bullshit that your party is just as guilty of if you want to argue about something.

So having a some corrupt Washington insider is your way to run the country?

[240 is Back]

So having a some corrupt Washington insider is your way to run the country?

Sarah Palin spent $400,000 of state money to "educate" Alaskans about aerial hunting of wolves and bears.

Ouch!

[tbombz]

Because Obama will be taking MY money to give to lazy people start re paying the Bush administrations catastrophic dept? [u]I don't [/u] think so.

 

[kcballer]

Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+.  Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs.  Also, gov programs are long term.  Wars and financial crisis have time limits.  Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way.  I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short.  So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush).  I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.

shut your mouth with this scare mongering rubbish.  Business has had it sweet during this period and as i've said many times before, tax cuts for people will allow them to spend more.  If your products are sh*t then don't go asking for tax breaks from the government to keep your business afloat.  That my friend, is socialism. 

[cannon_fodder]

Please read, this is important.

Thats just in regards to income tax.  Obama's plan will raise all sorts of taxes.  The marriage tax, payroll taxes (which hurts all businesses), capital gains taxes (hurts all business owners, investros and trickles down to hiring practices and all employees), estate taxes, and taxes on some utilities.

I hear a report from an analyst group that says Obama's nationalized healthcare will NOT be covered under the tax increases he proposes....so guess what...it either gets abandoned or he finds new taxes!

Everybody miss this post?

Sure your income tax might go down, but a lot of other taxes are gonna go up.

[Camel Jockey]

You didn't answer the question.  Why should the rich be punished for being rich?  The rich are the ones who actually pay more taxes already.  The top 50% of the income bracket pay 97% of the taxes.
Those rich people are the ones who create those jobs you mentioned.  Do you think they are going to offer more jobs, pay decent wages, have more benefits if they're getting taxed to death?  No, they're not.

Because they have a duty of care to the United States.

And how else do you propose the US government continue to operate? Bush has been spending like crazy the last 8 years and has been easing taxes on the rich, so naturally what goes around comes around. You think we should continue to borrow more and more?

[kcballer]

Everybody miss this post?

Sure your income tax might go down, but a lot of other taxes are gonna go up.

he's just BSing cause his business relies on current tax breaks to make payroll.  Oh no Marriage Tax will go up, like what 20 cents? please it's not going to break the bank of anyone and will be offset by more people, have more money in their pockets.  Fact is America has been running in the red for too long under the republicans.   

[tbombz]

"Dont ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country"




"Candidate Y is going to raise taxes on product X and its going to cost me Z. So Im for candidate H, even though he is against legislation G (legislation which damages our inherent freedoms to life liberty and pursuit of happyness). Because obviously i cant think about what is proper, what is right, or what is best for the country... I only care about what is best for ME. "

[Decker]

We're not just talking about the "wealthy."  We're talking about individuals and businesses that have the misfortune of earning "high" incomes. The "wealthy" are always going to pay more in taxes, whether it's a progressive tax or flat tax, because they typically earn more income.  I never suggested that should change.  My view is government should be trying to reduce everyone's tax burden.  What the government should not do is target successful people and punish them solely to pay for some government program. 

I don't like paying taxes either but I pay them b/c I support my country with more than just the words from my mouth.  

If the rich don't want the burden of higher taxes paid at higher tax brackets then they are totally free to stop earning once they reach the bracket limit they are most comfortable at.  It is a free country.

Nice selective, misleading use of my quote.  Here is the full quote:


Pitting groups against each is not good policy.  You don't intentionally alienate portions of the population to try and give (false) help to other portions of the population.  Not good policy.    

Someone has to be selective around here.  'misleading', I don't think so.

We are discussing income taxes and you drop a beauty like

I don't segregate the population and pit groups against each other.

then what exactly are you saying?

If you don't segregate btn rich and poor like us evil jealous liberals, then you are viewing an undifferentiated mass where everybody is looked at as the same.

No sweat off my sack if you want to argue that.  I'm merely showing that there has to be some common sense injected into the tax discussion and taxation according to ability to pay is wiser than your analysis of the undifferentiated masses.

Which groups are these whiny rich elites getting pitted against?  Is it the mighty poor?  Is it the average voter out there, half of which vote republican?  Or is it the liberals picking on the rich, well, just b/c they are rich and should be knocked down a peg?

[y19mike77]

Socialism = wealth distribution


Obama supporters = Take whats urs and give it to me

[shootfighter1]

kc, what I said is true, its not disputable.  It comes down to how much influence you want the gov to have in our lives.  There are good arguments on both sides.  Ex...though Decker & I disagree on several overall policies, his points are well thought out and make sense from a particular perspective.  This is where economic experts disagree and there is no end in sight.  Unfortunately gov size & spending have grown under repubs and democrats...thats why washington is broken IMO.

For me, I'd rather have a smaller government because I have learned that hard work allows for the most opportunity and rewards and I want to decide the fate of the majority of my earnings.  Gov and taxes are necessary....its the size of the gov and rate of taxation thats debateable.  The founding fathers warned of big government.

[Dos Equis]

Remember guys, we are talking many areas of tax increases, not just income tax on those families making $250,000+.  Most people will feel some effects of increased taxation but these are needed to fund some of the increase in gov programs.  Also, gov programs are long term.  Wars and financial crisis have time limits.  Before we make this country more socialistic, we must be certain that is the best way.  I don't believe so.
Also, Obama's taxation increases on the wealthy do not pay for his proposed programs, they fall way short.  So, more taxes!
We need to cut spending across the board and Obama will not do that (thats the same as Bush).  I don't know if McCain will either...thats why this is a scary election.

I agree.  Capital gains tax increases too, if we elect Obama. 

[Decker]

Right.  Let's keep smiling and borrowing money from the Red Chinese to pay our bills.

That's just sad.

That head-in-the-sand approach to governance is what makes the republican party work.

Tell people what they want to hear instead of the truth.

[w8tlftr]

How many threads would 240 start if Palin uttered these words?? 




Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.

Biden says he and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama want to “take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people.”

Under the Democrats’ economic plan, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.

Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

What an arrogant asshole.

It's your patriotic duty to be a strong and independent man so that you can take care of  yourself and your family. We can't be compassionate and charitable Americans if we have nothing to give because asshole socialists in Washington take it all away. Since when did robbing Peter to pay Paul become morally acceptable?

Statements like that reminds me of the logic of spoiled children. Don't worry about personal accountability or responsibility. Mom and Dad will always be there to bail you out!