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No Lie
Bob Woodward throws cold water on the left's claim that Bush lied the nation into war with Iraq
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Nope, didn't lie.
By Peter Roff
May 26, 2015

For a lot of people, especially those inside the Washington Beltway who are curious about the internecine goings on that accompany the formulation of policy in administrations of both parties, The Washington Post's Bob Woodward is often the authoritative last word. He's turned up a lot of "scoops" going back to the administration of President Richard M. Nixon who he, along with then-writing partner Carl Bernstein, did more to drive from office in disgrace than just about anyone.

Like him or not – and there are plenty who don't – he's got the scalps on his belt to prove he knows what he's doing.

His latest bit of journalism isn't likely to win him any more friends on the left, as he's just knocked down a revered piece of conventional wisdom that will force a reassessment of George W. Bush's presidency. For according to Woodward, there's no evidence the 43rd president of the United States "lied" the nation into war.

Bush's political opponents like to make this claim to delegitimize not just the war but his entire presidency. No man who knowingly and dishonestly took a nation to war is worthy of any kind of honor, hence history's reluctance to focus on the substantive accomplishments of President Lyndon Johnson. Whatever good he did is eclipsed by his use of a fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to secure congressional authority to increase the number of combat troops being sent to South Vietnam. The notion that Bush lied in similar fashion about Iraq discredits – in the eyes of his political opponents certainly – everything he did, everything he stood for and everything he accomplished.

It's a brutal axe but, according to Woodward, one that is itself based on an untruth. An argument could certainly and persuasively be made, he told moderator Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday," that the Iraq War was a mistake, but "there was no lying in this that I could find."

According to Woodward, Bush himself was skeptical about the presence of weapons of mass destruction and urged caution on then-CIA Director George Tenet lest he stretch the case that there were.

The whole thing of course exploded after Bush, in a speech to Congress, asserted that foreign intelligence sources had shared with the U.S. information that Saddam Hussein's regime had attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from guy, a country in the African Sahara, only to have former U.S. Amb. Joe Wilson claim he had investigated the claim and found it wanting, as he said in The New York Times in a piece called "What I Didn't Find in Africa."

That Wilson's investigation was hardly thorough enough to be called the last word on the matter was soon lost in the rising storm over the claim that someone in the White House (it later turned out to be the No. 2 man at the U.S. Department of State) had, in pushing back on what Wilson was saying, told at least one reporter that Wilson's wife (who went professionally by the name Valerie Plame) was a covert CIA employee.

For a time the whole business made celebrities out of Wilson and his wife among Democrats, the left-wing intelligensia and the Hollywood crowd. And it made goats out of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell and others who asserted that Hussein's drive to obtain weapons of mass destruction – in violation of the cease fire agreement that ended 1991's Gulf War – rendered him a global threat that needed to be dealt with harshly and severely.

Woodward's already being bashed for letting this little bit of truth out into the open. Esquire magazine is already up with a post questioning his integrity and saying he sounds like "someone waiting for that check from a Nigerian price to clear." More of the same is coming. Too many people have too much invested in the idea that Bush lied to allow the debate to start up again on the chance that they were wrong. It won't change what happened if those people were in fact wrong, any more than it will change any of the outcomes; what it will do is generate some confusion about who wears the white hats and who wears the black ones, which is not what the progressive Democrats – who are still reeling from President Barack Obama's foreign policy failures – need right now. After all, if Bush didn't lie, how can it be his fault that the Islamic State group continues to gain ground in Iraq now that Obama has pulled almost all the troops out of there?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2015/05/26/bob-woodward-bush-didnt-lie-to-start-iraq-war

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Confirming what we already knew.

No Lie
Bob Woodward throws cold water on the left's claim that Bush lied the nation into war with Iraq
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Nope, didn't lie.
By Peter Roff
May 26, 2015

For a lot of people, especially those inside the Washington Beltway who are curious about the internecine goings on that accompany the formulation of policy in administrations of both parties, The Washington Post's Bob Woodward is often the authoritative last word. He's turned up a lot of "scoops" going back to the administration of President Richard M. Nixon who he, along with then-writing partner Carl Bernstein, did more to drive from office in disgrace than just about anyone.

Like him or not – and there are plenty who don't – he's got the scalps on his belt to prove he knows what he's doing.

His latest bit of journalism isn't likely to win him any more friends on the left, as he's just knocked down a revered piece of conventional wisdom that will force a reassessment of George W. Bush's presidency. For according to Woodward, there's no evidence the 43rd president of the United States "lied" the nation into war.

Bush's political opponents like to make this claim to delegitimize not just the war but his entire presidency. No man who knowingly and dishonestly took a nation to war is worthy of any kind of honor, hence history's reluctance to focus on the substantive accomplishments of President Lyndon Johnson. Whatever good he did is eclipsed by his use of a fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to secure congressional authority to increase the number of combat troops being sent to South Vietnam. The notion that Bush lied in similar fashion about Iraq discredits – in the eyes of his political opponents certainly – everything he did, everything he stood for and everything he accomplished.

It's a brutal axe but, according to Woodward, one that is itself based on an untruth. An argument could certainly and persuasively be made, he told moderator Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday," that the Iraq War was a mistake, but "there was no lying in this that I could find."

According to Woodward, Bush himself was skeptical about the presence of weapons of mass destruction and urged caution on then-CIA Director George Tenet lest he stretch the case that there were.

The whole thing of course exploded after Bush, in a speech to Congress, asserted that foreign intelligence sources had shared with the U.S. information that Saddam Hussein's regime had attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from guy, a country in the African Sahara, only to have former U.S. Amb. Joe Wilson claim he had investigated the claim and found it wanting, as he said in The New York Times in a piece called "What I Didn't Find in Africa."

That Wilson's investigation was hardly thorough enough to be called the last word on the matter was soon lost in the rising storm over the claim that someone in the White House (it later turned out to be the No. 2 man at the U.S. Department of State) had, in pushing back on what Wilson was saying, told at least one reporter that Wilson's wife (who went professionally by the name Valerie Plame) was a covert CIA employee.

For a time the whole business made celebrities out of Wilson and his wife among Democrats, the left-wing intelligensia and the Hollywood crowd. And it made goats out of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell and others who asserted that Hussein's drive to obtain weapons of mass destruction – in violation of the cease fire agreement that ended 1991's Gulf War – rendered him a global threat that needed to be dealt with harshly and severely.

Woodward's already being bashed for letting this little bit of truth out into the open. Esquire magazine is already up with a post questioning his integrity and saying he sounds like "someone waiting for that check from a Nigerian price to clear." More of the same is coming. Too many people have too much invested in the idea that Bush lied to allow the debate to start up again on the chance that they were wrong. It won't change what happened if those people were in fact wrong, any more than it will change any of the outcomes; what it will do is generate some confusion about who wears the white hats and who wears the black ones, which is not what the progressive Democrats – who are still reeling from President Barack Obama's foreign policy failures – need right now. After all, if Bush didn't lie, how can it be his fault that the Islamic State group continues to gain ground in Iraq now that Obama has pulled almost all the troops out of there?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2015/05/26/bob-woodward-bush-didnt-lie-to-start-iraq-war

but all that other liberal shit that Woodward said... that's cool, right?


which is it?  is he credible?  Cause we can pull out plenty of Woodward liberalisms which getbiggers dismissed as rants form a bedwetting lib.

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lol 

I knew this would cause a state of confusion for liberals.  Bob Woodward is part of the Notorious GWB Iraq War Conspiracy.  Along with Hillary, Bill et al.  lol

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lol 

I knew this would cause a state of confusion for liberals.  Bob Woodward is part of the Notorious GWB Iraq War Conspiracy.  Along with Hillary, Bill et al.  lol

repubs shit all over woodward for 8 years.

today they can't stop slurping the guy cause he said one thing they agree with.

tomorrow, he'll diss jeb and suddenly be a liberal idiot again.   Typical RINO behavior.

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lol 

I knew this would cause a state of confusion for liberals.  Bob Woodward is part of the Notorious GWB Iraq War Conspiracy.  Along with Hillary, Bill et al.  lol

I never ever thought that Bush lied in order to get us into war......I do think he was ill-served by the intelligence he was given and by guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney.....I wish people would stop accusing him of that.....Bush had a hard-on for Saddham though, and looking back, I don't know if the war was worth it.....also I hate when people say Bush created ISIS...that's ridiculous

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also I hate when people say Bush created ISIS...that's ridiculous

obama and repubs like mccain created isis.   feeding weapons and $ to syrian rebels then acting all surprised.

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repubs shit all over woodward for 8 years.

today they can't stop slurping the guy cause he said one thing they agree with.

tomorrow, he'll diss jeb and suddenly be a liberal idiot again.   Typical RINO behavior.

O Rly?  Which Republicans did this for eight years?

I know this is hard for a 911 Troofer who is also a Bush-hating, Obama-loving water carrier, but you'll get over it.   


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I know this is hard for a 911 Troofer who is also a Bush-hating, Obama-loving water carrier, but you'll get over it.   

attack the messenger.  typical RINO behavior.

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I never ever thought that Bush lied in order to get us into war......I do think he was ill-served by the intelligence he was given and by guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney.....I wish people would stop accusing him of that.....Bush had a hard-on for Saddham though, and looking back, I don't know if the war was worth it.....also I hate when people say Bush created ISIS...that's ridiculous

No, Rumsfeld and Cheney didn't lie either.  Everyone thought Saddam had WMDs.  

The war was mismanaged at the start.  Should have listened to Shinseki about the size of the force needed.  They also made a pretty bad miscalculation about how we would be received by the Iraqis and how we would be fighting insurgents (which is related to the insufficient size of the force).  Lots of mistakes.  But no lies by Bush.  

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attack the messenger.  typical RINO behavior.

Silence troll. 

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I read all his books on the war...he was pretty even handed. You read em all 240?
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No, Rumsfeld and Cheney didn't lie either.  Everyone thought Saddam had WMDs.  

The war was mismanaged at the start.  Should have listened to Shinseki about the size of the force needed.  They also made a pretty bad miscalculation about how we would be received by the Iraqis and how we would be fighting insurgents (which is related to the insufficient size of the force).  Lots of mistakes.  But no lies by Bush.  

I don't think Cheney and Rumsfeld lied either.....but they didn't serve Bush well...Rumsfeld went in with too small a force and would not change course when the insurgents were hitting us hard with casualties....which is why Bush had to eventuially ask for his resignation....Cheny was gung-ho and damn the consequences...I kinda think he was running a sort of shadow presidency....I have no proof of this however..just speculation....it was supposedly he who ordered that all planes be grounded on 9/11 not Bush.....

and the intelligence was awful....even Colin Powell bailed out on that

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Yeah...I have a problem with the force...actually we were told to alow alot of what happened after the invasion. They didn't see the insurgency happening.  In any event gents be prepared to do it all over again...units are now getting warno's about deployments to Iraq....Heavy Brigade combat teams...not bullshit small units. This summer is gonna be rocky and we have an infant in charge.
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Yeah...I have a problem with the force...actually we were told to alow alot of what happened after the invasion. They didn't see the insurgency happening.  In any event gents be prepared to do it all over again...units are now getting warno's about deployments to Iraq....Heavy Brigade combat teams...not bullshit small units. This summer is gonna be rocky and we have an infant in charge.
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I read all his books on the war...he was pretty even handed. You read em all 240?

lol  That must be a rhetorical question. 

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I don't think Cheney and Rumsfeld lied either.....but they didn't serve Bush well...Rumsfeld went in with too small a force and would not change course when the insurgents were hitting us hard with casualties....which is why Bush had to eventuially ask for his resignation....Cheny was gung-ho and damn the consequences...I kinda think he was running a sort of shadow presidency....I have no proof of this however..just speculation....it was supposedly he who ordered that all planes be grounded on 9/11 not Bush.....

and the intelligence was awful....even Colin Powell bailed out on that

I agree with everything you said, except for the "shadow presidency." 

One thing I will say is I miss strong leadership, which is what we had with Bush/Cheney and we definitely do not have with Obama/Biden. 

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Yeah...I have a problem with the force...actually we were told to alow alot of what happened after the invasion. They didn't see the insurgency happening.  In any event gents be prepared to do it all over again...units are now getting warno's about deployments to Iraq....Heavy Brigade combat teams...not bullshit small units. This summer is gonna be rocky and we have an infant in charge.

You mean while Obama is running around the world bragging about there being no ground troops in Iraq, we're getting ready to send ground troops to Iraq?  Pretty dishonest. 

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Confirming what we already knew.

No Lie
Bob Woodward throws cold water on the left's claim that Bush lied the nation into war with Iraq
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Nope, didn't lie.
By Peter Roff
May 26, 2015

For a lot of people, especially those inside the Washington Beltway who are curious about the internecine goings on that accompany the formulation of policy in administrations of both parties, The Washington Post's Bob Woodward is often the authoritative last word. He's turned up a lot of "scoops" going back to the administration of President Richard M. Nixon who he, along with then-writing partner Carl Bernstein, did more to drive from office in disgrace than just about anyone.

Like him or not – and there are plenty who don't – he's got the scalps on his belt to prove he knows what he's doing.

His latest bit of journalism isn't likely to win him any more friends on the left, as he's just knocked down a revered piece of conventional wisdom that will force a reassessment of George W. Bush's presidency. For according to Woodward, there's no evidence the 43rd president of the United States "lied" the nation into war.

Bush's political opponents like to make this claim to delegitimize not just the war but his entire presidency. No man who knowingly and dishonestly took a nation to war is worthy of any kind of honor, hence history's reluctance to focus on the substantive accomplishments of President Lyndon Johnson. Whatever good he did is eclipsed by his use of a fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to secure congressional authority to increase the number of combat troops being sent to South Vietnam. The notion that Bush lied in similar fashion about Iraq discredits – in the eyes of his political opponents certainly – everything he did, everything he stood for and everything he accomplished.

It's a brutal axe but, according to Woodward, one that is itself based on an untruth. An argument could certainly and persuasively be made, he told moderator Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday," that the Iraq War was a mistake, but "there was no lying in this that I could find."

According to Woodward, Bush himself was skeptical about the presence of weapons of mass destruction and urged caution on then-CIA Director George Tenet lest he stretch the case that there were.

The whole thing of course exploded after Bush, in a speech to Congress, asserted that foreign intelligence sources had shared with the U.S. information that Saddam Hussein's regime had attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from guy, a country in the African Sahara, only to have former U.S. Amb. Joe Wilson claim he had investigated the claim and found it wanting, as he said in The New York Times in a piece called "What I Didn't Find in Africa."

That Wilson's investigation was hardly thorough enough to be called the last word on the matter was soon lost in the rising storm over the claim that someone in the White House (it later turned out to be the No. 2 man at the U.S. Department of State) had, in pushing back on what Wilson was saying, told at least one reporter that Wilson's wife (who went professionally by the name Valerie Plame) was a covert CIA employee.

For a time the whole business made celebrities out of Wilson and his wife among Democrats, the left-wing intelligensia and the Hollywood crowd. And it made goats out of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell and others who asserted that Hussein's drive to obtain weapons of mass destruction – in violation of the cease fire agreement that ended 1991's Gulf War – rendered him a global threat that needed to be dealt with harshly and severely.

Woodward's already being bashed for letting this little bit of truth out into the open. Esquire magazine is already up with a post questioning his integrity and saying he sounds like "someone waiting for that check from a Nigerian price to clear." More of the same is coming. Too many people have too much invested in the idea that Bush lied to allow the debate to start up again on the chance that they were wrong. It won't change what happened if those people were in fact wrong, any more than it will change any of the outcomes; what it will do is generate some confusion about who wears the white hats and who wears the black ones, which is not what the progressive Democrats – who are still reeling from President Barack Obama's foreign policy failures – need right now. After all, if Bush didn't lie, how can it be his fault that the Islamic State group continues to gain ground in Iraq now that Obama has pulled almost all the troops out of there?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2015/05/26/bob-woodward-bush-didnt-lie-to-start-iraq-war
Of course Bush lied, 9/11 was the pretext to invade Iraq. Who the F cares what Bob Woodward thinks about WMDs. The elephant in the room is 9/11, not WMD crap. Woodward story only deflects the REAL truth & confuses an already fuuucking stupid public.

9/11 could not be more obvious. Anyone who believes that 2 Boeing Jetliners can EVAPORATE ( official Pentagon & Shanksville story) need their heads examined. Go look at the pictures you FUCKKKING MORONS. What more do you need? It's right in front of your eyes, just OPEN them!!!


With regards to WTC, NEVER in the history of mankind has fire caused steel framed buildings to Explode/Collapse at the SPEED OF GRAVITY and turn to molten metal & dust. I REPEAT........NEVER BEFORE & NEVER AGAIN. Did the Laws of Physics take the day off ..............along with NORAD ?
Who needs Demolition companies when all you need is Kerosene & and office furniture? Wake the fuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkk kk up.

Oh, and don't forget Building # 7, ( no plane necessary) a 47 story STEEL FRAMED building which collapsed neatly into its footprint in 6 seconds. Explain that one, because the 9/11 commission would NOT touch that subject. They completely left out Building 7 from their bogus report.

The dumbed down/cell phone addicted US public deserves everything it gets for being ENABLERS.




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You mean while Obama is running around the world bragging about there being no ground troops in Iraq, we're getting ready to send ground troops to Iraq?  Pretty dishonest. 

not dishonest at all..you're supposed to prepare for contingencies.....nothin g wrong with that..you're splitting hairs..we're also preparing for war with China as well..doesn't mean we want to fight with them though

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not dishonest at all..you're supposed to prepare for contingencies.....nothin g wrong with that..you're splitting hairs..we're also preparing for war with China as well..doesn't mean we want to fight with them though

O Rly?  We're preparing to send boots on the ground into China?  lol

Yes, it's dishonest of the president to be claiming some kind of victory over not having ground troops in Iraq, knowing full well that we're likely going to have to send them in very soon.  He's probably just trying to run out the clock till the next president takes over his mess.  Very dangerous game. 

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I never ever thought that Bush lied in order to get us into war......I do think he was ill-served by the intelligence he was given and by guys like Rumsfeld and Cheney.....I wish people would stop accusing him of that.....Bush had a hard-on for Saddham though, and looking back, I don't know if the war was worth it.....also I hate when people say Bush created ISIS...that's ridiculous

Im sorry, did you say that looking back, you don't know if the war was worth it? At this point with what we know, what it's cost, that if it was to be done all over again, you might be on the fence about going to war with Iraq??