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http://news.yahoo.com/senator-gop-could-accept-tax-hikes-very-rich-174858342--finance.html
" Senate Republicans would probably agree to higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans if it meant getting a chance to overhaul costly government entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security, a GOP senator predicted Sunday."
I wonder if the Dems will come to the table and try and fix the situation we are in...
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It would take months of negotiations on each tax cut. You do know how congress works to argue and obstruct dont you?
It will be done in sections and you know it. Theyre gonna fight about everydetail.
But right now the fiscall cliff is a few weeks away and America want the first part done now. Re-store tax rates on rich. (No One says that is the fix-all, only a small but important part)
Obama was elected on this policy and americans will be angry if the GOP holds the middle class hostage as they are doing...time is ticking away and if we go off the cliff the middleclass will put a shitstorm on the republicans for it. The cat is out of the bag for how they play and lie....NO MORE.
But here you go. Heres Obamas spending cuts plan: Cut or eliminate 200 federal agencies.....Increase military spending.......more of a republican gift i think.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/15/obamas_37_trillion_budget_calls_for?gclid=CNemkoabjrQCFYxaMgodGHEA3A
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http://news.yahoo.com/senator-gop-could-accept-tax-hikes-very-rich-174858342--finance.html
" Senate Republicans would probably agree to higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans if it meant getting a chance to overhaul costly government entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security, a GOP senator predicted Sunday."
I wonder if the Dems will come to the table and try and fix the situation we are in...
why the fuck would you cut social security? It's quite obvious what spending cuts need to be made and a hugely succesful program is not one. Foreign aid, military etc need dramatic cuts, bring that money home.
Absolutely retarded thread. Reagan disagrees with you by the way.
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RIP tea party. your time of influence has passed.
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why the fuck would you cut social security? It's quite obvious what spending cuts need to be made and a hugely succesful program is not one. Foreign aid, military etc need dramatic cuts, bring that money home.
I think that cuts need to be made across the board - in some places more than others, to be sure. I don't know that I'd call social security "hugely successful" but I guess that depends on what the metric for success is and that's a topic for another thread. But on the issue of cutting social security, I think it's unrealistic (and, in a sense, unfair) to cut the benefits of current retirees or those that are very close to retirement age. I would not support that, unless it was the only option available.
But social security can still be trimmed down (and it should be). Hell, the move away from paper checks saved about $125,000,000 per year. While that's really a drop in the bucket, this is the sort of spending cut that just makes good sense.
Let me be clear about something: I disagree with the concept of social security: I don't believe it is the job of the Federal Government to provide seniors with retirement income or to "force" them to save throughout their careers by confiscating money from their paychecks. The bottom line is that I think that people should be allowed to make their own decisions. But at the same time I am a pragmatist. Social security isn't going away, for a number of reasons, each of which alone would save it. But that doesn't mean that Social Security shouldn't be trimmed and forced to be as lean as possible, nor do I think that it should be the last thing to be put on a diet.
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Not only do Republicans refuse to accept ANY rate increase, but they demand deep cuts in entitlement programs that they demand the President specify so they can then blame them on him. Someone forgot to tell the Repubs that they lost the election! LOL!
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Slamming the barn door shut after all the horses have run out.
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Not only do Republicans refuse to accept ANY rate increase, but they demand deep cuts in entitlement programs that they demand the President specify so they can then blame them on him. Someone forgot to tell the Repubs that they lost the election! LOL!
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Not only do Republicans refuse to accept ANY rate increase, but they demand deep cuts in entitlement programs that they demand the President specify so they can then blame them on him. Someone forgot to tell the Repubs that they lost the election! LOL!
really b/c many reps have come to the table recently saying they are willing to raise taxes with entitlement reform.
why are the dems and obama dragging their feet on compromise?
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really b/c many reps have come to the table recently saying they are willing to raise taxes with entitlement reform.
why are the dems and obama dragging their feet on compromise?
Its been answered many times here. why should we keep repeating it.....damn.
So all of a sudden we're at the fiscal cliff in 2 weeks and they say "Okay lets do it now". LMAO.....obstructionists at work!!
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our politicians would be more respected around the world if they let the fiscall cliff hit and the tax increases and spending cuts that go along with it. Teach Germany a thing or two about austerity
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Its been answered many times here. why should we keep repeating it.....damn.
So all of a sudden we're at the fiscal cliff in 2 weeks and they say "Okay lets do it now". LMAO.....obstructionists at work!!
and the dems all of a sudden 2 weeks before decide that its tax increases or nothing?
what happend there, why do you not call them out?
LMFAO keep buying into the propaganda brainchild, youre the type of person that will be ra ra'ing when they are raising taxes on you...
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and the dems all of a sudden 2 weeks before decide that its tax increases or nothing?
what happend there, why do you not call them out?
LMFAO keep buying into the propaganda brainchild, youre the type of person that will be ra ra'ing when they are raising taxes on you...
They just won an election on raising taxes for the rich and now you are surprised thats what they are trying to do?
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http://news.yahoo.com/senator-gop-could-accept-tax-hikes-very-rich-174858342--finance.html
I wonder if the Dems will come to the table and try and fix the situation we are in...
I wonder if Republicans will come to the table and give the citizenry what they said they wanted with their vote.
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They just won an election on raising taxes for the rich and now you are surprised thats what they are trying to do?
First the dems platform was deficit reduction through spending cuts and tax increases.
Nice revisionist history though
2nd the reps that won their House seats dont factor into your analysis at all?
nice liberal logic
since when do liberals care what the public wants? certainly wasnt when they were voting on obamacare...LOL
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I wonder if Republicans will come to the table and give the citizenry what they said they wanted with their vote.
Dems ran on a platform of spending cuts and tax increases...
Many reps are at the table right now wanting just that, why are obama and the dems dragging their feet?
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RIP tea party. your time of influence has passed.
i hope they all die screaming... anyone who believes in god should be imprisoned for stupidity
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First the dems platform was deficit reduction through spending cuts and tax increases.
Nice revisionist history though
2nd the reps that won their House seats dont factor into your analysis at all?
nice liberal logic
since when do liberals care what the public wants? certainly wasnt when they were voting on obamacare...LOL
If the public really didnt want tax increases + Obamacare they should not have (re)elected Obama.
The dem won plenty of seats as well. Doesnt that factor into your analasis?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2012
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Gop never controlled the senate correct?
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They dont get any worse than McConnell.
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Expect the spin city robots to arrive any minute now.
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Gop never controlled the senate correct?
record number of fillibusters, with a moron fillibustering himself. Ya it's not there fault at all.
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record number of fillibusters, with a moron fillibustering himself. Ya it's not there fault at all.
This!!
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Gop never controlled the senate correct?
"Control" is a relative term; sure, there is the Senate majority leader, who is sorta-kinda in control. But there's more to it than that. I could easily argue that anyone who can muster 41 Senators is in effective control of the Senate; similarly, anyone who can muster 61 Senators is also in effective control of the Senate.
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I wonder if Republicans will come to the table and give the citizenry what they said they wanted with their vote.
You mean the same voters who put conservative Republicans in charge of the purse strings (aka the House)?
Seems more of a mixed message to me.
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If the public really didnt want tax increases + Obamacare they should not have (re)elected Obama.
The dem won plenty of seats as well. Doesnt that factor into your analasis?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2012
absolutely it does, which is why there should be compromise like the republicans are trying to do.
Now why doesnt if figure into your analysis or the analysis of the dems?
why are the dems dragging their feet on progress?
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absolutely it does, which is why there should be compromise like the republicans are trying to do.
Now why doesnt if figure into your analysis or the analysis of the dems?
why are the dems dragging their feet on progress?
I havent analysed the dem.
Most dems are useless.
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I havent analysed the dem.
Most dems are useless.
so you concede that dems are just as idiotic as reps yet you give them a pass, why is that?
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so you concede that dems are just as idiotic as reps yet you give them a pass, why is that?
I said most of them is useless. How is that giving them a pass?
Republicans are for the most part harmful to the middleclass. Useless is better than harmful.
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You mean the same voters who put conservative Republicans in charge of the purse strings (aka the House)?
Seems more of a mixed message to me.
Correct.
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i hope they all die screaming... anyone who believes in god should be imprisoned for stupidity
Personally, I have no problem accepting that other folks may have different beliefs than do I. What galls me is when they try to impose their beliefs on me.
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Personally, I have no problem accepting that other folks may have different beliefs than do I. What galls me is when they try to impose their beliefs on me.
You're galled by democracy? People voting on issues is largely about folks imposing their beliefs on you.
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I love how Repubs think that just because the Dems didn't win back majority in the House that somehow it's a national referendum of some sort
Dems won the POTUS, and GAINED seats in the House and Senate....that's what a NATIONAL referendum looks like
Repubs have no leverage
If they don't make a deal with Obama they will get the blame and not Obama or the Dems
Boehner knows this which is why he and a handful of Repubs will most likely strike a deal with the Dems and the teabag faction of the House will become irrelevent
Personally, I say let's go over the cliff because then the Repubs will have even less leverage than they do now and their shitty "brand" will be just that much more damaged
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I love how Repubs think that just because the Dems didn't win back majority in the House that somehow it's a national referendum of some sort
Dems won the POTUS, and GAINED seats in the House and Senate....that's what a NATIONAL referendum looks like
Repubs have no leverage
If they don't make a deal with Obama they will get the blame and not Obama or the Dems
Boehner knows this which is why he and a handful of Repubs will most likely strike a deal with the Dems and the teabag faction of the House will become irrelevent
Personally, I say let's go over the cliff because then the Repubs will have even less leverage than they do now and their shitty "brand" will be just that much more damaged
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Fine - let - O-THUG raise taxes a d deal w it
I love how Repubs think that just because the Dems didn't win back majority in the House that somehow it's a national referendum of some sort
Dems won the POTUS, and GAINED seats in the House and Senate....that's what a NATIONAL referendum looks like
Repubs have no leverage
If they don't make a deal with Obama they will get the blame and not Obama or the Dems
Boehner knows this which is why he and a handful of Repubs will most likely strike a deal with the Dems and the teabag faction of the House will become irrelevent
Personally, I say let's go over the cliff because then the Repubs will have even less leverage than they do now and their shitty "brand" will be just that much more damaged
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You're galled by democracy? People voting on issues is largely about folks imposing their beliefs on you.
Sure it is. And that is the way it should be. Otherwise, we'd have more serial killers running free than we already do.
I object to anyone telling me I have to believe in God, Jesus or Mohammad. I object to anyone dictating to me who I love or who I don't. I object to others imposing their morality on me. And furthermore, I think a lot of the folks who do this are probably hypocrites....just an observation.
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I love how Repubs think that just because the Dems didn't win back majority in the House that somehow it's a national referendum of some sort
Dems won the POTUS, and GAINED seats in the House and Senate....that's what a NATIONAL referendum looks like
Repubs have no leverage
If they don't make a deal with Obama they will get the blame and not Obama or the Dems
Boehner knows this which is why he and a handful of Repubs will most likely strike a deal with the Dems and the teabag faction of the House will become irrelevent
Personally, I say let's go over the cliff because then the Repubs will have even less leverage than they do now and their shitty "brand" will be just that much more damaged
so then the reps had a referendum to repeal obamacare in 2010?
brilliant liberal logic
the reps are at the table right now, why are obama and the dems dragging their feet?
obamas previous debt talks included entitlement reform at least at a very small level. Why has he reneged on his previous commitments?
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Sure it is. And that is the way it should be. Otherwise, we'd have more serial killers running free than we already do.
I object to anyone telling me I have to believe in God, Jesus or Mohammad. I object to anyone dictating to me who I love or who I don't. I object to others imposing their morality on me. And furthermore, I think a lot of the folks who do this are probably hypocrites....just an observation.
But you're perfectly ok implying your idea of fairness to the tax code?
Nice job pointing out the irony in your beliefs!!!
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brilliant liberal logic
the reps are at the table right now, why are obama and the dems dragging their feet?
obamas previous debt talks included entitlement reform at least at a very small level. Why has he reneged on his previous commitments?
The answer to your question is an obvious no since they could not accomplish that
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The GOP is dying. And its fun to watch. 8)
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The answer to your question is an obvious no since they could not accomplish that
So you're saying that Obama and the dems couldn't agree to an entitlement cut that thy have already previously agreed to???
How the hell does that make sense?
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The GOP is dying. And its fun to watch. 8)
What's funny is watching liberal butt boys scramble to excuse Obama and the dems for no compromising as we approach the fiscal cliff.
The reps are at the table and Obama and the dems are out giving speeches lol saying the reps won't compromise.
And liberal drones are eating it up hahah
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http://news.yahoo.com/senator-gop-could-accept-tax-hikes-very-rich-174858342--finance.html
" Senate Republicans would probably agree to higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans if it meant getting a chance to overhaul costly government entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security, a GOP senator predicted Sunday."
I wonder if the Dems will come to the table and try and fix the situation we are in...
McTones, did you bother reading any of that article past the first paragraph? Firstly, the portion of the article that you quoted is not something that is on the table and it's not something that has even been suggested by the SoH. Secondly, the senator who made that quote specifically says that the reason Dems have been so intractable is because Repubs simply don't have much leverage. Thirdly, the entire point of his quote is that Boehner should re-consider his stance on the tax rate because then it allows for discussion on other fiscal issues.
Furthermore, the article addresses two MASSIVE problems with that quote: 1) there is no way such a huge undertaking would be worked out in three weeks and 2)CORKER'S PLAN DOES NOT HAVE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS!
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What's funny is watching liberal butt boys scramble to excuse Obama and the dems for no compromising as we approach the fiscal cliff.
The reps are at the table and Obama and the dems are out giving speeches lol saying the reps won't compromise.
And liberal drones are eating it up hahah
They don't have to compromise. Ever thought of that? I will tell you what is fun.... watching the idiots that beat their chests and cried about how they wanted the country to go off the cliff years ago for the chaos and to "reset itself" are now suddenly whining about that very thing.
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McTones, did you bother reading any of that article past the first paragraph? Firstly, the portion of the article that you quoted is not something that is on the table and it's not something that has even been suggested by the SoH. Secondly, the senator who made that quote specifically says that the reason Dems have been so intractable is because Repubs simply don't have much leverage. Thirdly, the entire point of his quote is that Boehner should re-consider his stance on the tax rate because then it allows for discussion on other fiscal issues.
Furthermore, the article addresses two MASSIVE problems with that quote: 1) there is no way such a huge undertaking would be worked out in three weeks and 2)CORKER'S PLAN DOES NOT HAVE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS!
Its not nice to call Tony out on his BS
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But you're perfectly ok implying your idea of fairness to the tax code?
Nice job pointing out the irony in your beliefs!!!
I don't imply anything. If I have something to say, I say it straight out.
I am not a lawmaker or a tax expert, however I do have an opinion of what I think would be a fair income tax. In my opinion, everyone should pay the same rate regardless of income and there should be no deductions. What I don't think is a fair income tax is the one we currently have were some people pay nothing and some very wealthy people get a better tax rate then the average middleclass person. I also believe there should be a value added tax. This way anyone who spends money pays taxes.
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So you're saying that Obama and the dems couldn't agree to an entitlement cut that thy have already previously agreed to???
How the hell does that make sense?
no, somehow when I answered I clipped off the first sentence in your post about Obamacare
that was what I was saying no to
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McTones, did you bother reading any of that article past the first paragraph? Firstly, the portion of the article that you quoted is not something that is on the table and it's not something that has even been suggested by the SoH. Secondly, the senator who made that quote specifically says that the reason Dems have been so intractable is because Repubs simply don't have much leverage. Thirdly, the entire point of his quote is that Boehner should re-consider his stance on the tax rate because then it allows for discussion on other fiscal issues.
Furthermore, the article addresses two MASSIVE problems with that quote: 1) there is no way such a huge undertaking would be worked out in three weeks and 2)CORKER'S PLAN DOES NOT HAVE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS!
First haha nothing has been proposed b/c nothing has been agreed upon yet. Politicians only propose something they know wont pass when they are trying to make political points...Like the dems did with tax hikes for the rich that were quickly voted down...
Second, so b/c the reps supposedly dont have leverage it makes it ok for the dems to reneg on their previous agreements and no longer compromise? thats what your trying to go with LMFAO?
Third, He is reconsidering his stance on taxes so that we can get some entitlement reform which will cut spending which is much more effective at cutting debt than tax hikes!!!
further more, obama and the dems have already agreed to certain entitlement cuts in previous debt talks. Youre trying to tell me that it would take weeks to get them to agree on something they have already agreed on???
LMFAO get a clue!!!
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They don't have to compromise. Ever thought of that? I will tell you what is fun.... watching the idiots that beat their chests and cried about how they wanted the country to go off the cliff years ago for the chaos and to "reset itself" are now suddenly whining about that very thing.
The reps dont have to compromise either brain child!!! it benefits everyone if both sides compromise
I never said we should go off the fiscal cliff previously so I dont know why youre bringing this up. If youre talking about the bail outs thats a different situation as the money was used to prop up inefficient and poorly managed businesses. If you were in favor of giving them money I completey understand why your in favor of giving our bloated, inefficient and wasteful govt more money to piss away.
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I don't imply anything. If I have something to say, I say it straight out.
I am not a lawmaker or a tax expert, however I do have an opinion of what I think would be a fair income tax. In my opinion, everyone should pay the same rate regardless of income and there should be no deductions. What I don't think is a fair income tax is the one we currently have were some people pay nothing and some very wealthy people get a better tax rate then the average middleclass person. I also believe there should be a value added tax. This way anyone who spends money pays taxes.
well you may get your wish on the VAT but it will be in addition to an income tax not in place of one.
At any rate you seem to have a double standard about ppl applying their views of whats fair to you and then turning around and doing the same to others. Everything is based on your viewpoint so if you dont want ppl imposing their views on you get ready for anarchy.
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At any rate you seem to have a double standard about ppl applying their views of whats fair to you and then turning around and doing the same to others. Everything is based on your viewpoint so if you dont want ppl imposing their views on you get ready for anarchy.
Frankly, this of yours is simply nonsense. Of course that is just my viewpoint.
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First haha nothing has been proposed b/c nothing has been agreed upon yet. Politicians only propose something they know wont pass when they are trying to make political points...Like the dems did with tax hikes for the rich that were quickly voted down...
"Nothing has been proposed b/c nothing has been agreed upon yet." LOL...no...just no. That makes NO SENSE. At all.
Corker was trying to convince HIS OWN PARTY to tow his line. Not the Dems. His own party-The Republicans. These points haven't been proposed in negotiations, not because they have no chance of passing, but because they are not something Repubs support. You posted that quote as a sign of Republicans' willingness to compromise-i.e the incaccurate thread title-yet if you read past the first paragraph you see that there is very little support for Corker's statements among Republicans and it is not something being considered by Boehner.
What entitlement cut agreements have dems renegged on??? Please post an article or link with some info on these broken promises. The biggest sticking points in these talks are things that Dems have NEVER agreed to. Oh, that's right, politicians don't make suggestions until deals have been finalized, signed and notarized. ::) Seriously, please post a link to some info about what the Dems have renegged on. Are you referring to things discussed in the debt ceiling talks? The ones Boehner backed out of?! Do you really not understand why the concessions made in those agreements aren't being thrown around?
Third, He is reconsidering his stance on taxes so that we can get some entitlement reform which will cut spending which is much more effective at cutting debt than tax hikes!!!
Nope, sorry, wrong again. Even Boehner's proposals only attribute about 15% of their adjustments to spending cuts. The remaining $800bln comes from revenue from his vague tax code re-write.
Also, yes, if someone has nothing of value to offer you in a negotiation, there is no need to compromise. I'm not even sure how you could not know this. I don't even know how.. you could even... damn! :-\ As it is, the Dems will have to make some concessions, but from a purely objective POV, that idea displays a shocking lack of business acumen.
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The reps dont have to compromise either brain child!!! it benefits everyone if both sides compromise
I never said we should go off the fiscal cliff previously so I dont know why youre bringing this up. If youre talking about the bail outs thats a different situation as the money was used to prop up inefficient and poorly managed businesses. If you were in favor of giving them money I completey understand why your in favor of giving our bloated, inefficient and wasteful govt more money to piss away.
If the GOP doesnt compromise or cave it will hit the middleclass.
The GOP cant afford this.
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If the GOP doesnt compromise or cave it will hit the middleclass.
The GOP cant afford this.
Some are trying to compromise right now, why are Obama and the dems not coming to the table?
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Some are trying to compromise right now, why are Obama and the dems not coming to the table?
Are you dense? Read doggitys post 2 above yours.