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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: davidpaul on September 09, 2006, 09:09:42 AM
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Is he bluffing? ::)
;D
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I don't think Ron is going to want to part with this site. Besides getbig will pretty much die if it happens. :(
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This is a "no bullshit" zone. If someone like that were in charge, nobody would post here anymore.
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This is a "no bullshit" zone. If someone like that were in charge, nobody would post here anymore.
EXACTLY.
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I knew that would freak 10-20 guys out. Let the panic begin. Do you think the site would move any more slowly with you guys gone and 10-20 pros back here posting? Please it would double!
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I knew that would freak 10-20 guys out. Let the panic begin. Do you think the site would move any more slowly with you guys gone and 10-20 pros back here posting? Please it would double!
I am all for pros to be posting again.. but go look at all the massive traffic ironage.us generates with their sensorship.
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Say it did happen.... I remember plenty of pro's posting on MM and it still didn't move faster then over here. It also depends on what pro's are talking I would think.
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I am all for pros to be posting again.. but go look at all the massive traffic ironage.us generates with their sensorship.
Why are you posting a thread where you offer advice on training?
On the G&O board?
YIP
Zack
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Most pros don't give out any advice anyway because they are brainless goons that have nutritionists and trainers tell them what to eat, how to train, when to piss.
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You guys tried to start your own site already (TWICE) and they both failed miserably. Do you think that might be a clue that you are not the draw at getbig at all? You need this site, this site doesnt need you. Im not talking a spartan existence at all, Im all for freedom of speech, but im also for shoving the disorderly conduct individual out the door too.
Im talking about bringing every pro that used to post here back (and there were alot of them--20-30 or so back in the day--- now the only 2 you have regularly posting are the 2 that dont like chad--shawn and lee). Its up to Ron - even if he doesnt sell it maybe he will realize that getbigs draw (was) the pros and top am's that used to post here
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You guys tried to start your own site already (TWICE) and they both failed miserably.
What sites were they?
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Why are you posting a thread where you offer advice on training?
On the G&O board?
YIP
Zack
Because most people here lack direction. You included little man! With my program you could be 4 inches taller but thats your choice to stay a midget.
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Ron has been approached by several people and companies over the years to sell getbig.
He won't be selling getbig to anyone.
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Do you think the site would move any more slowly with you guys gone and 10-20 pros back here posting?
Ok answer this DC: why would pros even want to post here? Why aren't they posting on Mayhem (except to self promote or sell something)??
If you owned this site what would you offer them in exchange for posting here? You know goddamn well most of them are selfish bastards that do nothing unless they can make some money out of it.
DC do you think it's interesting to read threads where pros only get their asses kissed? "Wow Ronnie is looking huge!" "Damn Dennis has a huge back!" *YAWN*
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What sites were they?
Mcfarlands and another one which i cant remember the name. And I dont include Mcfarland in with this, because that guy is a talented writer and he would be a guy I would probably pay to put up threads here (his threads and pics get alot of views). Many people on Mayhem (myself included) really enjoyed reading his threads
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Ok answer this DC: why would pros even want to post here? Why aren't they posting on Mayhem (except to self promote or sell something)??
If you owned this site what would you offer them in exchange for posting here? You know goddamn well most of them are selfish bastards that do nothing unless they can make some money out of it.
DC do you think it's interesting to read threads where pros only get their asses kissed? "Wow Ronnie is looking huge!" "Damn Dennis has a huge back!" *YAWN*
I have to agree
they is no bashing at Mayhem but there isn't a lot of pros who go there expect for self-promoting
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Mcfarlands and another one which i cant remember the name. And I dont include Mcfarland in with this, because that guy is a talented writer and he would be a guy I would probably pay to put up threads here (his threads and pics get alot of views). Many people on Mayhem (myself included) really enjoyed reading his threads
Pain's Bodybuilding Dungeon?
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There are already more pros posting here compared to Mayhem so that should tell you something DC. EVERYONE from Mayhem reads Getbig, and they love it! They are lying when they say the hate the drama here. Look what kind of threads get the most views and replies on Mayhem. Exactly the type of BS threads that are posted here, eg Rocky's and Goodrums threads.
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Who wants to sell a board where's The Squad at?
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There are already more pros posting here compared to Mayhem so that should tell you something DC. EVERYONE from Mayhem reads Getbig, and they love it! They are lying when they say the hate the drama here. Look what kind of threads get the most views and replies on Mayhem. Exactly the type of BS threads that are posted here, eg Rocky's and Goodrums threads.
you speak the truth again :-\
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Ok answer this DC: why would pros even want to post here? Why aren't they posting on Mayhem (except to self promote or sell something)??
If you owned this site what would you offer them in exchange for posting here? You know goddamn well most of them are selfish bastards that do nothing unless they can make some money out of it.
DC do you think it's interesting to read threads where pros only get their asses kissed? "Wow Ronnie is looking huge!" "Damn Dennis has a huge back!" *YAWN*
totally agree--and i would let the banter go back and forth but guys on this site take things way too far---in no way am i suggesting "great back ron!!!"....but i would like to see a little more comraderie in bodybuilding instead of something thats built on jealousy because that guys bigger than you. I see guys say things about kamali's wife on this site--hell no that wouldnt happen--shes not in the sport and she isnt fair game + thats over the line
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I bounce around on both boards. I come here for the constant drama and checking out Shawn and Lee's post. And definitely gh15s posts.
Mayhem is the daddy of forums. Getbig is the bastard stepchild that makes life interesting. You want to hang out with him, but don't want to tell anyone.
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stavios seems pretty level headed...he would probably make a good mod. If he read something he thought someone went over the line with I would expect him (pro or non pro) to pm him and say "hey bro thats going to far, either you delete it or I will"
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now the only 2 you have regularly posting are the 2 that dont like chad--shawn and lee).
What about Milos, Chick, Melvin Anthony, Jay posted here a few times, and let's not forget the countless others that still post anonymously. Whether GH15 is a pro or not, he might be, so that would be another to add to the list....so, there is more than 2 Dante...
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richard jones, toney freeman, king kamali, craig titus, phil heath, luke wood,vinny galanti, sami al haddad, and many other pros have posted here.
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Stavios pms men to ask them out on a date.
I tought it was our secret :'(
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Mayhem is the daddy of forums.
Then why does Getbig have four times the traffic? ;D
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I tought it was our secret :'(
I though you wanted me to make the offical announcement with your engagement to Collosus_86
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What about Milos, Chick, Melvin Anthony, Jay posted here a few times, and let's not forget the countless others that still post anonymously. Whether GH15 is a pro or not, he might be, so that would be another to add to the list....so, there is more than 2 Dante...
dont you think milos and chick (and jay) would post more if they didnt get the shit that they did? Im not saying everyone has to kiss ass but there are people here that go way way way over the line with ripping the above people (I saw a guy say something to milos the other day that was way out of bounds)...you got a disagreement fine let it rip but say what your going to say like your sitting across the table from him
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Then why does Getbig have four times the traffic? ;D
Mayhem = owned.
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richard jones, toney freeman, king kamali, craig titus, phil heath, luke wood,vinny galanti, sami al haddad, and many other pros have posted here.
You guys are making my argument for me.....people come here to see if the pro's posted, not to see a bunch of guys who worship a 177lb guy from north carolina named true adonis
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dont you think milos and chick (and jay) would post more if they didnt get the shit that they did? Im not saying everyone has to kiss ass but there are people here that go way way way over the line with ripping the above people (I saw a guy say something to milos the other day that was way out of bounds)...you got a disagreement fine let it rip but say what your going to say like your sitting across the table from him
milos posts plenty. A lot of people asked Jay questions and he wouldn't answer them because he's too afraid he won't be politically correct. We don't need pros who are afraid to post.
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You guys are making my argument for me.....people come here to see if the pro's posted, not to see a bunch of guys who worship a 177lb guy from north carolina named true adonis
I don't agree though. They come here to talk to other amatuers. I know I do.
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I though you wanted me to make the offical announcement with your engagement to Collosus_86
See, perfect example of pollution bullshit post... adults are talking so stfu...
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Toney Freeman actually thanked the SQUAD for their endorsement of him on his quest for glory. I can't remember him specifically thanking anyone on Mayhem.
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More moderation would be a definite benefit to this site. There are too many troll accounts that are allowed to get away with absolutely asinine shit.
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I wish it would happen. This board is a wasteland. I learn nothing here, but I come everyday because many of the other boards are pretty low on the entertainment scale.
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See, perfect example of pollution bullshit post... adults are talking so stfu...
You truly are a fag. I contribute to this board more than anybody and without me a lot of people would leave getbig unfullfilled.
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milos posts plenty. A lot of people asked Jay questions and he wouldn't answer them because he's too afraid he won't be politically correct. We don't need pros who are afraid to post.
Well, that's his choice and there's plenty of other pros. DC makes a point; everytime I ask someone why they haven't posted in a while (including myself btw) is because of all the nuisance posts, impossible to get info out of the adoshit & other trolls bullshit... there's other boards on this site for BS... and mods are doing their best
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Well, that's his choice and there's plenty of other pros. DC makes a point; everytime I ask someone why they haven't posted in a while (including myself btw) is because of all the nuisance posts, impossible to get info out of the adoshit & other trolls bullshit... there's other boards on this site for BS... and mods are doing their best
Last I check dipshit, no one gives two flying fucks about your opinion. I think people are criticizing Getbig because it's the best site around and also the most chaotic and crazy. They're upset that their massive circle jerk boards generate no traffic outside of the regulars who post there can't hold up to Getbig.
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Then why does Getbig have four times the traffic? ;D
Ron said so himself that the board is a tiny part of Getbig traffic.
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How much does a site like this cost? I don't see any advertisements. How does Ron make money off it?
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How much does a site like this cost? I don't see any advertisements. How does Ron make money off it?
I don't think Ron makes money with Getbig
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dont you think milos and chick (and jay) would post more if they didnt get the shit that they did? Im not saying everyone has to kiss ass but there are people here that go way way way over the line with ripping the above people (I saw a guy say something to milos the other day that was way out of bounds)...you got a disagreement fine let it rip but say what your going to say like your sitting across the table from him
You are right about that...we would post more if guys would at least be fair (to say the least)...
But when they call Mother Theresa something she is not (well - you can guess) than all the attacks on us (pro bodybuilders) fail in comparison...
Strong and confident people would not be affected by what "few miserable and hateful souls" are saying...but at the same time they would find NO REASON to get in discussion that would more than obviously be pointless...
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dont you think milos and chick (and jay) would post more if they didnt get the shit that they did? Im not saying everyone has to kiss ass but there are people here that go way way way over the line with ripping the above people (I saw a guy say something to milos the other day that was way out of bounds)...you got a disagreement fine let it rip but say what your going to say like your sitting across the table from him
Yeah, they would post more. But, remember at Mayhem, it started out as a site that one could talk to Pros on, but it ended up the same way as this and numerous other boards- a slamfest. So, the pros eventually retreated and are either not posting at all, or they do it anonymously (kind of like Tom Prince when he was known as The Thing here).
My feelings regarding pros posting is mixed, but personally I think they shouldn't post at all. Milos, the guy shares great info, is passionate and makes sure his side of the story is out there. I like that and Milos' posts.
Guys like Kamali, who just seem to be no better than anyone else here (in reality no Pro really is better than anyone just because they are "genetically elite...." pay attention to the quotes on that), come here and do not like what is said about them. Depending on what is said, I agree. But for whatever reason, the Pros seemed to demand respect like they are on a pedastool. Tom Prince, we all know what he was like over at MM. "Your not pro, you do not know." "I am a pro, you can't tell me how to workout, I've done it..." shit like that is not good to say in public.
There is a reason why "real stars" a la Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Carlos Santana, Barbara Walters, or Tom Brokaw have publicists...because they want to remain neutral as possible. The publicist is hired to think of things to say in response to whatever the issue is. That way, they remain in the public eye. BBing is a lost cause. It's practices are so arcane, it's people are freaks, and nobody does anything to change it for the better. The best that BBing can do, is hire a friend of said BBer to cover up a story for him, and it actually hurts the persons image more than it helps (Chris Cormier being incognito for a month, having Christina Lindley [I think that was her] do the story for BBing.com....where over at MM there was another person covering for Chris, yet had no mention in the article at BBing.com).
BBing will always just be a sideshow. Nobody wants to see it. For good reason. The contest stage, unless your up there, is boring. The people, well, they're a travesty.
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You are right about that...we would post more if guys would at least be fair (to say the least)...
But when they call Mother Theresa something she is not (well - you can guess) than all the attacks on us (pro bodybuilders) fail in comparison...
Strong and confident people would not be affected by what "few miserable and hateful souls" are saying...but at the same time they would find NO REASON to get in discussion that would more than obviously be pointless...
You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
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You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
How about sex and rock and roll?
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You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
And all your good for is antagonizing people that do them...fuck you can be annoying with that shit. You ever get tired of yourself?
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More moderation would be a definite benefit to this site. There are too many troll accounts that are allowed to get away with absolutely asinine shit.
Shouldn't you be off inefficiently working 120 hours a week?
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How about sex and rock and roll?
And that's why I like Milos postings. He can give it right back at 'em....:)
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Shouldn't you be off inefficiently working 120 hours a week?
Point in fact.
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You truly are a fag. I contribute to this board more than anybody and without me a lot of people would leave getbig unfullfilled.
I agree, lets try it to make sure
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I'm sure that if I started a discussion board, I would have moderate success. Having a great discussion board is all about promoting the site. I have dabbled in it a bit but its way too much work to manage.
I'm sure Ron makes money off this site somehow. Getbig is one of the most popular bodybuilding sites around, When Fox News did the Titus story, the pictures came directly from Getbig.com.
DC, I don't think anyone worships True Adonis up here and I certainly don't. However some people are listening to him more closely because a few things.
1. He's a lifetime natural bodybuilder - Me and you can't claim that
2. I'm not sure about his weight but its not about the scale, its all about the mirror
3. He's been around this board for years while you pop in on occasion.
4. Adonis has no PT business, no supplement company, no sponsors so he has no monetary interest in promoting his ideals.
Again, DC, you know I got respect for you but that's the way it is
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Point in fact.
I think you meant to say "case in point", not "point in fact".
But, since we all know you're really not very bright we'll cut you some slack.
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But vince, without the PT has no evidence to back up his claims
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You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
thanks for proving my point.... The draw here is the pro's or top amateurs that might come here today and post. I ask the question then (get ready for the gimmick account overload) Would you rather hear Milos talk about various dieting he has bodybuilders do here or would you rather hear True adonis go on and on about his breyers ice cream frenzy?
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DC ass is on the line everyday, if he doesn't deliver he will be ignored
I can respect that. TA has done nothing but talk
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I'm sure that if I started a discussion board, I would have moderate success. Having a great discussion board is all about promoting the site. I have dabbled in it a bit but its way too much work to manage.
I'm sure Ron makes money off this site somehow. Getbig is one of the most popular bodybuilding sites around, When Fox News did the Titus story, the pictures came directly from Getbig.com.
DC, I don't think anyone worships True Adonis up here and I certainly don't. However some people are listening to him more closely because a few things.
1. He's a lifetime natural bodybuilder - Me and you can't claim that
2. I'm not sure about his weight but its not about the scale, its all about the mirror
3. He's been around this board for years while you pop in on occasion.
4. Adonis has no PT business, no supplement company, no sponsors so he has no monetary interest in promoting his ideals.
Again, DC, you know I got respect for you but that's the way it is
And you forgot my methods are all 100 PERCENT backed by Scientific Law.
With my methods it is a 100 PERCENT probability that you will be in single digit bodyfats,increase muscle and strength, all the while eating any food you like.
DANTES shit is all lies,myths and guesswork.
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TA, I would love to see you take someone like Candidate or Vince and deliver
action speaks louder than words. Take one of those guys and post regular updates
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thanks for proving my point.... The draw here is the pro's or top amateurs that might come here today and post. I ask the question then (get ready for the gimmick account overload) Would you rather hear Milos talk about various dieting he has bodybuilders do here or would you rather hear True adonis go on and on about his breyers ice cream frenzy?
Milos advocates drugs for EVERYTHING.
He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
When was the last time anyone cared?
Perhaps if he helped people with his drug knowledge here he could be useful.
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And you forgot my methods are all 100 PERCENT backed by Scientific Law.
With my methods it is a 100 PERCENT probability that you will be in single digit bodyfats,increase muscle and strength, all the while eating any food you like.
DANTES shit is all lies,myths and guesswork.
his body of work say otherwise, what have you done? show us...step up and deliver
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TA, I would love to see you take someone like Candidate or Vince and deliver
action speaks louder than words. Take one of those guys and post regular updates
I am taking on a BIGGER task...Look at the Y board.
He is starting at 300 plus pounds.
He WILL suceed with 100 PERCENT PROBABILITY unless somehow the Laws of Thermodynamics Deconstruct. hahahahhahahah Which is an IMPOSSIBILITY.
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With my methods it is a 100 PERCENT probability that you will be in single digit bodyfats,increase muscle and strength, all the while eating any food you like.
Maybe you should become a guru. Charge people $300 up front, and in return send them your full program, conveniently distilled down to five words: "Run a calorie deficit, dumbass!" ;D
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Milos advocates drugs for EVERYTHING.
He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
When was the last time anyone cared?
Perhaps if he helped people with his drug knowledge here he could be useful.
didnt drugfree4life already prove that you used juice before? He cut and pasted a post you made on another little known board (which you never thought it would come back to haunt you) stating you were just starting your cycle and you had a couple questions (this is where you reply with some kind of backtracking) Drugfree4life please cut and paste that thread
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I'm sure that if I started a discussion board, I would have moderate success. Having a great discussion board is all about promoting the site. I have dabbled in it a bit but its way too much work to manage.
I'm sure Ron makes money off this site somehow. Getbig is one of the most popular bodybuilding sites around, When Fox News did the Titus story, the pictures came directly from Getbig.com.
DC, I don't think anyone worships True Adonis up here and I certainly don't. However some people are listening to him more closely because a few things.
1. He's a lifetime natural bodybuilder - Me and you can't claim that
2. I'm not sure about his weight but its not about the scale, its all about the mirror
3. He's been around this board for years while you pop in on occasion.
4. Adonis has no PT business, no supplement company, no sponsors so he has no monetary interest in promoting his ideals.
Again, DC, you know I got respect for you but that's the way it is
Excellent comments. Agree alll; I wonder what Ron's business model is, if any. That's the beauty of it, zero adds.
As for the trollers, let's just go back a 10 posts on this thread and see the way he disrespect Milos. Can you blame them for not wanting to deal with this shit?
I frequently have this discussion with national level trainers (Noel Fuller, Scott Abel & others) I know, the first thing they tell their national level competitors/pros is "stay away from the boards; those clowns will do all they can to bring you down, too much negativity"... I think that sums it well...
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I am taking on a BIGGER task...Look at the Y board.
He is starting at 300 plus pounds.
He WILL suceed with 100 PERCENT PROBABILITY unless somehow the Laws of Thermodynamics Deconstruct. hahahahhahahah Which is an IMPOSSIBILITY.
cool, now you are talking
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=93333.0
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as i said in the other thread if you bought this site (which i dont think ron would ever do) everyone who posts here that makes getbig getbig would post somewhere else and that would be the new getbig.
lol at people who say mayhem's the daddy of the forums,have you ever even been there?you go into a board and therell be 150 viewing and theres like 1 post every 30 mins WTF? boooring...all you get is saddo's like glennr2222222222 saying "ill drink a protein shake to that" haha oh brother ::)
so go and get a site dante where pro's post,you say thats why people go to forums?BULLSHIT.we dont want pro's that only dare post on a board theyre protected by mods.you can keep those pro's we like the ones weve already got
look at you MELTING DOWN because people are disagreeing with you, go back to mayhem where no one can call poor little dante names or they get in trouble from "massive"G ::)
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thanks for proving my point.... The draw here is the pro's or top amateurs that might come here today and post. I ask the question then (get ready for the gimmick account overload) Would you rather hear Milos talk about various dieting he has bodybuilders do here or would you rather hear True adonis go on and on about his breyers ice cream frenzy?
id rather we have both....like we do now
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Milos' response for people who ask him for advice:
"pay me $350 an hour"
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didnt drugfree4life already prove that you used juice before? He cut and pasted a post you made on another little known board (which you never thought it would come back to haunt you) stating you were just starting your cycle and you had a couple questions (this is where you reply with some kind of backtracking) Drugfree4life please cut and paste that thread
NOPE!
He is a friend of mine actually now! We talk back and forth on PMs all the time.
He will get on here and tell you that you are full of shit if you are questioning that I have used drugs....I suggest you delete that post before you get owned for the 1000th time.
Jealous fat ass.
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I hope he does buy this site. I've got nothing againts ron but it's time to stop the inmates from running the asylum. You don't agree with DC or milos or someone else there are better ways to voice your opinion than some of the shit that goes on here. Try to speak with some intellegence not "meltdown" or "owning" or "hahahahah" it's old.
People should be held accountable for thier posts, how many anti dc threads is adonis gonna be allowed to start before someone says "ok, enough is enough" There is no reason to have 15 threads about adonis' new diet, it's moronic. Everytime a pro says something on here someone jumps down his throat, except for toney freeman but he just started, give it time and people will lay into him just like everyone else.
show some fucking respect, it's not that hard.
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as i said in the other thread if you bought this site (which i dont think ron would ever do) everyone who posts here that makes getbig getbig would post somewhere else and that would be the new getbig.
lol at people who say mayhem's the daddy of the forums,have you ever even been there?you go into a board and therell be 150 viewing and theres like 1 post every 30 mins WTF? boooring...all you get is saddo's like glennr2222222222 saying "ill drink a protein shake to that" haha oh brother ::)
so go and get a site dante where pro's post,you say thats why people go to forums?BULLSHIT.we dont want pro's that only dare post on a board theyre protected by mods.you can keep those pro's we like the ones weve already got
look at you MELTING DOWN because people are disagreeing with you, go back to mayhem where no one can call poor little dante names or they get in trouble from "massive"G ::)
Lana's Eggwhite int thread is pinned and has about a million posts about them trying to figure out where those eggs come from.. Lana doesn't have a chickens. Maybe she's the hen?
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Good response...I aught to start doing that too. Remember you asked how to program ASP?
I don't think that you could give head that good to command that fee
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I frequently have this discussion with national level trainers (Noel Fuller, Scott Abel & others) I know, the first thing they tell their national level competitors/pros is "stay away from the boards; those clowns will do all they can to bring you down, too much negativity"... I think that sums it well...
The inability to deal with negativity indicates weak character, a fragile ego, and lack of maturity and self-confidence.
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NOPE!
He is a friend of mine actually now! We talk back and forth on PMs all the time.
He will get on here and tell you that you are full of shit if you are questioning that I have used drugs....I suggest you delete that post before you get owned for the 1000th time.
Jealous fat ass.
then get him on here recanting it and prove it. Ill believe it when he says it (not you)
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Milos' response for people who ask him for advice:
"pay me $350 an hour"
I don't get why you guys have such a problem with people making money...it's the american way, isn't it??
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Good response...I aught to start doing that too. Remember you asked how to program ASP?
No I didn't ask that. I simply asked what languages you used for that website. I have a book on ASP and will buy more probably.
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No I didn't ask that. I simply asked what languages you used for that website. I have a book on ASP and will buy more probably.
You can learn all that garbage online.
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then get him on here recanting it and prove it. Ill believe it when he says it (not you)
HE WILL!
We talked last night actually....His friend John, GETITONNY will also tell you I am lifetime Natural.
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HE WILL!
We talked last night actually....His friend John, GETITONNY will also tell you I am lifetime Natural.
I HOPE for your sake your a lifetime natty, if not you need to beat the hell out of your supplier.
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I hope he does buy this site. I've got nothing againts ron but it's time to stop the inmates from running the asylum. You don't agree with DC or milos or someone else there are better ways to voice your opinion than some of the shit that goes on here. Try to speak with some intellegence not "meltdown" or "owning" or "hahahahah" it's old.
People should be held accountable for thier posts, how many anti dc threads is adonis gonna be allowed to start before someone says "ok, enough is enough" There is no reason to have 15 threads about adonis' new diet, it's moronic. Everytime a pro says something on here someone jumps down his throat, except for toney freeman but he just started, give it time and people will lay into him just like everyone else.
show some fucking respect, it's not that hard.
dude ffs why cant people see THAT ITS AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD dont take it so seriously.who cares if someones disrespectful dont let it hurt your feelings its just a board.this is what people need to realise,this is why getbig is a 100 times better than mayhem, the mods here know this
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We need getbig. We can't let pros live in denial of the effectiveness of steroids, their low self esteem, how their profession results in poor health, and all the other taboo topics which you will get banned for if you speak about on mayhem. If we disallow free speech like mayhem does, we are nothing more than enablers. We need to keep teaching pros the truth.
Couldn`t have said it better Matt.
Pros don`t do anything for anyone....Why should it matter if they post.
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The inability to deal with negativity indicates weak character, a fragile ego, and lack of maturity and self-confidence.
What does constant baseless attacking of others indicate?
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dude ffs why cant people see THAT ITS AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD dont take it so seriously.who cares if someones disrespectful dont let it hurt your feelings its just a board.this is what people need to realise,this is why getbig is a 100 times better than mayhem, the mods here know this
there's a difference. I've talked to pro's I don't agree with online and it was fine. When all you post is bs after bs it gets old. The only reason I come here anymore is because the site updates real fast and I'm usually bored at work so this breaks up the day, if another site moved like this I'd go there.
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What does constant baseless attacking of others indicate?
How do you know its "baseless"
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I don't agree with everything Adonis says but some of these so-called trainers today are a joke. Advocating 400 or more grams of protein per day is just sheer nonsense. What are you trying to do-get everyone hooked up to a kidney machine? Too much protein is toxic-simple as that. Whereas a little is needed to build muscle-going overboard with anything is not good for the body. Would you eat 100 apples per day? Secondly, show me one guy that hasn't gotten FAT on the so-called eat big to get big theory? The idea of ingesting HUGE quantities of food to appear "plumped up" may work for "pros" taking drugs to lean out but for the natural bodybuilder it's physique suicide. Also this doesn't meantion the fact that it's dangerous to your health. I think the real point here is a lot of people are sick and tired of these wannabe drug pushers with their drug physiques passing out advice that is dubious and questionable at best. In fact, if you took a poll I believe most people would tell you the current pro physiques look like a joke. A gross anomaly of the human form. In other words, a bunch of bloated pigs. We are ready for the bygone days when bodybuilding meant health, and having a wonderful body to look at that represented true strength, power and hard work.
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a simple solution is everyone has to post up their real names (maybe a 2 dollar a year credit card payment for membership at getbig which would make the name verification valid) Its a big difference when your real name "Tony Smith" is out there instead of biggunsmcgee hiding behind a screen name. If your going to rip and bash hey, lets make it a fair playing field, you know their name they know yours.
Doesnt matter anyway, I havent heard back from Ron and if Steve Blechman sees this thread he will outbid me by double.
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Maybe you should become a guru. Charge people $300 up front, and in return send them your full program, conveniently distilled down to five words: "Run a calorie deficit, dumbass!" ;D
Or put people in the hospital like the Chad?
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there's a difference. I've talked to pro's I don't agree with online and it was fine. When all you post is bs after bs it gets old. The only reason I come here anymore is because the site updates real fast and I'm usually bored at work so this breaks up the day, if another site moved like this I'd go there.
well if all you get is bs after bs why cant you just ignore it? theres usually the information you want inbetween the other stuff.
and why do you think you come here when your bored?because getbigs fun,and its that bs you talk abut that makes it fun,if it offends you then theres a problem,most people know its just the internet and brush it off
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Steve Blechman sees this thread he will outbid me by double.
not if the average joe's win the world dodge ball chamionships.
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Or put people in the hospital like the Chad?
Chad just has something against kidneys.
I think his parents forced him to eat a lot of beans or something as a kid.
IFBB Pro: "But Chad, won't this regimen be destructive to my kidneys?"
Chad: "Nah! You don't need kidneys! They're just holdin' you back, man!"
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I don't agree with everything Adonis says but some of these so-called trainers today are a joke. Advocating 400 or more grams of protein per day is just sheer nonsense. What are you trying to do-get everyone hooked up to a kidney machine? Too much protein is toxic-simple as that. Whereas a little is needed to build muscle-going overboard with anything is not good for the body. Would you eat 100 apples per day? Secondly, show me one guy that hasn't gotten FAT on the so-called eat big to get big theory? The idea of ingesting HUGE quantities of food to appear "plumped up" may work for "pros" taking drugs to lean out but for the natural bodybuilder it's physique suicide. Also this doesn't meantion the fact that it's dangerous to your health. I think the real point here is a lot of people are sick and tired of these wannabe drug pushers with their drug physiques passing out advice that is dubious and questionable at best. In fact, if you took a poll I believe most people would tell you the current pro physiques look like a joke. A gross anomaly of the human form. In other words, a bunch of bloated pigs. We are ready for the bygone days when bodybuilding meant health, and having a wonderful body to look at that represented true strength, power and hard work.
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/Manninen%20SNRJ%201-1-45-51-2004.pdf
http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/20/3/657
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Dante why do you get offended when people disagree with you?
i can see another mike mentzer in the making...keep cool dude it seems like your gunna pop
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http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/Manninen%20SNRJ%201-1-45-51-2004.pdf
In this study, the combination of whey and casein protein promoted the greatest increases in fat-free mass after 10 weeks of heavy resistance training. Athletes, coaches, and nutritionists can use these findings to increase fat-free mass and to improve body composition during resistance training.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16937979&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum
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Dante why do you get offended when people disagree with you?
i can see another mike mentzer in the making...keep cool dude it seems like your gunna pop
Bro Im not offended at all....what do you think im over here yelling at the computer? Im checking last nites baseball scores back and forth as I do this--LOL
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a simple solution is everyone has to post up their real names (maybe a 2 dollar a year credit card payment for membership at getbig which would make the name verification valid) Its a big difference when your real name "Tony Smith" is out there instead of biggunsmcgee hiding behind a screen name. If your going to rip and bash hey, lets make it a fair playing field, you know their name they know yours.
Doesnt matter anyway, I havent heard back from Ron and if Steve Blechman sees this thread he will outbid me by double.
People on Intense Muscle don't post their real names neither. You're not posting with your real name exactly as well. I think the use real names arguement would make a difference. It would still be someone out there disagreeing with you.
As far as buying the website, if you bought it then I'm afraid you would have wasted your money. People would up and leave for some other board the minute rules and regulations came up and ads. That's what killed Muscle Mayhem....too much advertising, too much selling, too much ass-kissing , too much cut, delete, and ban for no reason.
Mcfarland was thrown off and all he did was call out the mod who edited his post to say dum-ass which afterwards it turned out to be SizzleChic. No real apology ever came to him. I got stabbed in the back by Massive and the rest of the mods and when I called them out, they did the same with me. I'm the only one who got banned for saying something on another site meaning Getbig.com. A lot of respect for someone who was there from day one of Muscle Mayhem. They asked me to come up there from Meso-Rx because I was good at starting some shit up good or bad and still write some great nutritional articles.
That's what will happen DC the minute you buy the site. It will be no different from the police driving up to a mob. Everyone will scatter like roaches
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Mcfarlands and another one which i cant remember the name. And I dont include Mcfarland in with this, because that guy is a talented writer and he would be a guy I would probably pay to put up threads here (his threads and pics get alot of views). Many people on Mayhem (myself included) really enjoyed reading his threads
Hell yeah..whatever demons he may/may not have never hurt his knack for succinct and insightful posts.
That guy was Shakespeare on the boards........
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Bro Im not offended at all....what do you think im over here yelling at the computer? Im checking last nites baseball scores back and forth as I do this--LOL
i was more picturing you smashing the keyboard.now ive lost the mental image and its not as fun anymore :'(
;)
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In this study, the combination of whey and casein protein promoted the greatest increases in fat-free mass after 10 weeks of heavy resistance training. Athletes, coaches, and nutritionists can use these findings to increase fat-free mass and to improve body composition during resistance training.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16937979&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum
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This doesn't mean anything because this isn't endorsing the use of 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. I fully agree with the study and I encourage my clients to use my Classic Milk & Egg Protein Powder however I only recommend 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.
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http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/Manninen%20SNRJ%201-1-45-51-2004.pdf
http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/20/3/657
Use a little common sense here. For every so-called validation you can put up advocating exorbitant amounts of protein consumption I can put up just as many that call for the opposite. Let's think about it rationally using the element of reason. If x amount of exercise is needed for optimal muscle growth there has to be a certain limit to overall growth. For example, if lifting weights for two hours a day produces a certain effect lifting for 4 hours a day isn't going to double the size of the muscles. Now, back to the matter of this foolish protein consumption. If the body can only process so much and utilize it for repair and growth what on earth makes you think that cramming more and more in the body is going to suddenly make the muscles grow past what they could reach with adequate rest, nutrition, stimulation etc? Just like my earlier statement: If eating an apple or two a day produces a certain amount of health do you think eating 100 is going to produce an infinite amount of good? Lastly, why is it that I personally and several others have actually been able to grow just as much muscle using moderate to low amounts of protein than when we tried the bogus idea of shoving more down our hatches than our bodies could utilize? Why is it studies have shown that people eating diets high in carbohydrates have been able to grow just as much muscle as people eating high protein diets? Too much protein simply overstresses the body's system and gets stored as FAT. Shall I continue?
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50900
http://www.arthurdevany.com/archives/2005/06/thermodynamics.html
http://www.chrysalisyog.homestead.com/files/PROTEIN.doc
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Jujoshu, I agree with you, too much of anything is bad..no argument here. I merely posted the article to show that there were/are scientific studies out there.
Where as TA discredits them without posting any evidence in response
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Let's be honest here. If DC were to buy this board, it would just become another IM and Mayhem. The good thing about Getbig is the fact that you can come here, say what you want, and laugh at everything else. If I want to discuss something seriously and have every one swing from my nuts I could go to another board.
Getbig, Keepin it real.
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You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
At least he knows something,what are you good for? ::)
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Let's be honest here. If DC were to buy this board, it would just become another IM and Mayhem. The good thing about Getbig is the fact that you can come here, say what you want, and laugh at everything else. If I want to discuss something seriously and have every one swing from my nuts I could go to another board.
Getbig, Keepin it real.
Yep i agree 100%,dante buying this board would be the ultimate self owning ever,the ultimate money losing,cursing the day he tried to get back at people who post on message board self owning imaginable
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Steele,
I am not saying that a certain amount isn't needed for growth and repair. This is obvious as we also
need carbs, fats and so forth. However, I am saying it's a sham trying to convince people that going
over and beyond what they need and what their bodies can utilize is necessary. I used to believe this
nonsense as well when I was younger and naive. Hey, but if they can convince people to keep throwing away their money on their tubs of protein in the hope they are going to really grow more muscle than they could with a balanced diet..so be it. There's a sucker born every minute.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of these "clients" I've seen appear to be FAT.
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Steele,
I am not saying that a certain amount isn't needed for growth and repair. This is obvious as we also
need carbs, fats and so forth. However, I am saying it's a sham trying to convince people that going
over and beyond what they need and what their bodies can utilize is necessary. I used to believe this
nonsense as well when I was younger and naive. Hey, but if they can convince people to keep throwing away their money on their tubs of protein in the hope they are going to really grow more muscle than they could with a balanced diet..so be it. There's a sucker born every minute.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of these "clients" I've seen appear to be FAT.
THIS MAN SPEAKETH THE TRUTH!
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Steele,
I am not saying that a certain amount isn't needed for growth and repair. This is obvious as we also
need carbs, fats and so forth. However, I am saying it's a sham trying to convince people that going
over and beyond what they need and what their bodies can utilize is necessary. I used to believe this
nonsense as well when I was younger and naive. Hey, but if they can convince people to keep throwing away their money on their tubs of protein in the hope they are going to really grow more muscle than they could with a balanced diet..so be it. There's a sucker born every minute.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of these "clients" I've seen appear to be FAT.
once again agree we agree: "excess is bad"
caloric defecit is good for losing weight, no one disagrees with that
and a certain amount of protein/carbs at the right time is good
does that make me an internet guru? or do I have to discredit others first?
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Milos advocates drugs for EVERYTHING.
He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
When was the last time anyone cared?
Perhaps if he helped people with his drug knowledge here he could be useful.
Your first statement could bring you some LEGAL troubles.
Accusing someone of advocating drugs for EVERYTHING is serious accusation.
Now - WHAT do you know about me and what I advocate to the people?
The fact that I know MORE about pharmacology than some doctors doesn't mean that I ADVOCATE the usage...
#2) He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
Over 1100 posts (and as you all know - I post several times on the same thread - so actual amount of posts is more than 10000...)
Photos that I post on this forum are usually the one I took and I always want to share it with true bodybuilding (or should I say getbig?) fans.
Answers and info that I give are usually dependent on YOU...
I would like to see ANY question posted for me that I haven't answered...even the questions that are nothing short of disgusting...
#3) He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
I don't do shit for anyone - I try to help EVERYONE...Giving back and helping is my LIFESTYLE and something I love doing. Whoever knows me would be able to tell you that...
I have SO MUCH TO SAY that I am even scared to start...as I don't know when would I finish...
Now, for people without the interest - certainly I have nothing interesting to say...For those of you that find many aspects of bodybuilding INTERESTING - I would hope that you could imagine someone who competed in 110 shows in his life (72 IFBB pro shows), someone who has qualified 10 consecutive years for the Mr. Olympia (in arguably the hardest decade of IFBB professional bodybuilding), someone that PREPARED or somehow advised NUMEROUS top pro and amateur bodybuilders and OTHER athletes...someone who was chosen to be in the "project world record" by BALCO LABS (one out of 5 people who indeed accomplished the task in LESS THAN A YEAR - breaking what seemed to be the hardest record to be broken...)...someone who owns Koloseum Gym (official gym for the FLEX magazine photoshoots) where you can find TOP bodybuilders from around the world training or doing the photoshoot (20 minutes ago Ronnie started shooting with Chris Lund and I will be there as soon as I finish "my duty" - writing the response to "angry fan"..., someone who voluntarily made FITSHOW episodes FREE OF CHARGE to help aspiring bodybuilders and making himself available to defend his training and nutritional theories (On my DVD which is compilation of the FITSHOW episodes - there is 2 hour IN DETAIL explanation of my nutritional theories which could be used in design of Anyones diet...)...etc..etc /I must hurry up to make sure I see Ronnie again...and possibly take some pics later today when he does his afternoon workout (chest and triceps)....
Anyway - as doggcrapp pointed out many pro bodybuilders don't have a desire to argue or defend themselves against "angry" fans...
Certainly - there are arrogant pros that believe they are ABOVE everyone else and for those few - I don't mind seeing appropriate fan response...
But, many others (me included) are absolutely no different than all of you...The fact that we are pros doesn't make us ANY BETTER than any of you...and we live that way - treating people the way we want to be treated...
Still - when there are OPEN attacks (and usually for no reason at all...or just because of ASSUMPTION) we also have a right to SPEAK UP - and tell our side of the story...
So, for someone like True Adonis to attack me I really wonder WHY would he do that?
While in normal life - someone like him (any of you?) could have become true friend - goes out in public and attacks someone JUST FOR THE SAKE OF....WHAT???
I am writing this for some of you to realize that indeed WORLD could be a better place (and what I really mean GETBIG could be a better place) if we all focus on POSITIVES not negatives, LOVE and not hate, HELPING and not trying to destroy...
Together we are much stronger than alone...and IF we all somehow contribute and help each other - we would go much further than trying to do exactly the opposite (which is the case here on this board...)
For what is worth: to all the miserable souls here on board that HATE everything and everyone step back and convince yourself that ONE DAY...24 HOURS...you will get out of that misery and hateful outlook on life and instead you should try to LOVE and appreciate GOOD things in life (and around you). Focus on POSITIVE and do not let negative thoughts come to your head...
Start thinking that people are GOOD and not BAD...
And when you run into someone that you don't even know - smile and say hello (what does it coast you?)...If you can do even something NICE to that perfect stranger - it is even better...
Do it NOT because you have something on your mind - but do it because YOU SIMPLY WANT to do something nice...
When you start living your life this way - you will see how beautiful life could be...
;D
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Your first statement could bring you some LEGAL troubles.
Accusing someone of advocating drugs for EVERYTHING is serious accusation.
Now - WHAT do you know about me and what I advocate to the people?
The fact that I know MORE about pharmacology than some doctors doesn't mean that I ADVOCATE the usage...
#2) He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
Over 1100 posts (and as you all know - I post several times on the same thread - so actual amount of posts is more than 10000...)
Photos that I post on this forum are usually the one I took and I always want to share it with true bodybuilding (or should I say getbig?) fans.
Answers and info that I give are usually dependent on YOU...
I would like to see ANY question posted for me that I haven't answered...even the questions that are nothing short of disgusting...
#3) He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
I don't do shit for anyone - I try to help EVERYONE...Giving back and helping is my LIFESTYLE and something I love doing. Whoever knows me would be able to tell you that...
I have SO MUCH TO SAY that I am even scared to start...as I don't know when would I finish...
Now, for people without the interest - certainly I have nothing interesting to say...For those of you that find many aspects of bodybuilding INTERESTING - I would hope that you could imagine someone who competed in 110 shows in his life (72 IFBB pro shows), someone who has qualified 10 consecutive years for the Mr. Olympia (in arguably the hardest decade of IFBB professional bodybuilding), someone that PREPARED or somehow advised NUMEROUS top pro and amateur bodybuilders and OTHER athletes...someone who was chosen to be in the "project world record" by BALCO LABS (one out of 5 people who indeed accomplished the task in LESS THAN A YEAR - breaking what seemed to be the hardest record to be broken...)...someone who owns Koloseum Gym (official gym for the FLEX magazine photoshoots) where you can find TOP bodybuilders from around the world training or doing the photoshoot (20 minutes ago Ronnie started shooting with Chris Lund and I will be there as soon as I finish "my duty" - writing the response to "angry fan"..., someone who voluntarily made FITSHOW episodes FREE OF CHARGE to help aspiring bodybuilders and making himself available to defend his training and nutritional theories (On my DVD which is compilation of the FITSHOW episodes - there is 2 hour IN DETAIL explanation of my nutritional theories which could be used in design of Anyones diet...)...etc..etc /I must hurry up to make sure I see Ronnie again...and possibly take some pics later today when he does his afternoon workout (chest and triceps)....
Anyway - as doggcrapp pointed out many pro bodybuilders don't have a desire to argue or defend themselves against "angry" fans...
Certainly - there are arrogant pros that believe they are ABOVE everyone else and for those few - I don't mind seeing appropriate fan response...
But, many others (me included) are absolutely no different than all of you...The fact that we are pros doesn't make us ANY BETTER than any of you...and we live that way - treating people the way we want to be treated...
Still - when there are OPEN attacks (and usually for no reason at all...or just because of ASSUMPTION) we also have a right to SPEAK UP - and tell our side of the story...
So, for someone like True Adonis to attack me I really wonder WHY would he do that?
While in normal life - someone like him (any of you?) could have become true friend - goes out in public and attacks someone JUST FOR THE SAKE OF....WHAT???
I am writing this for some of you to realize that indeed WORLD could be a better place (and what I really mean GETBIG could be a better place) if we all focus on POSITIVES not negatives, LOVE and not hate, HELPING and not trying to destroy...
Together we are much stronger than alone...and IF we all somehow contribute and help each other - we would go much further than trying to do exactly the opposite (which is the case here on this board...)
For what is worth: to all the miserable souls here on board that HATE everything and everyone step back and convince yourself that ONE DAY...24 HOURS...you will get out of that misery and hateful outlook on life and instead you should try to LOVE and appreciate GOOD things in life (and around you). Focus on POSITIVE and do not let negative thoughts come to your head...
Start thinking that people are GOOD and not BAD...
And when you run into someone that you don't even know - smile and say hello (what does it coast you?)...If you can do even something NICE to that perfect stranger - it is even better...
Do it NOT because you have something on your mind - but do it because YOU SIMPLY WANT to do something nice...
When you start living your life this way - you will see how beautiful life could be...
;D
What are you going to SUE me now?
That is stage 2 of a Pro Olympic Meltdown.
Stage 3 is where you threaten to beat me up.
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I don`t have a problem with you Milos.
I like when you post pictures and things about "the sport".
Why do you think I hate you?
I hate what you advocate. That is all.
I haven`t said a bad thing that attacks you.
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dante rocks...super nice man...
and lets all be honest..we like to read the lee priest or shawn ray threads where chick, lee and shawn will post..it is usually entertaining...
adonis good for u for being a natty..im not sure y u try to talk down to people who arnt..or look different or not perfect..guess thats just how u are..
y cant we all just get along.. ;D
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What are you going to SUE me now?
That is stage 2 of a Pro Olympic Meltdown.
Stage 3 is where you threaten to beat me up.
if someone accused you of "peddling" drugs what would your response be?
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if someone accused you of "peddling" drugs what would your response be?
Where did I say that he is a drug dealer?
The United States Government seemed to be interested in Milos.
Do you think it was because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?
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I don`t have a problem with you Milos.
I like when you post pictures and things about "the sport".
Why do you think I hate you?
I hate what you advocate. That is all.
I haven`t said a bad thing that attacks you.
Milos advocates drugs for EVERYTHING.
He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
When was the last time anyone cared?
Perhaps if he helped people with his drug knowledge here he could be useful.
Inconsistancy:
He hasn`t done a damn thing on this board ever.
I like when you post pictures and things about "the sport".
He doesn`t do shit for anyone. He really has nothing interesting to say either.
I haven`t said a bad thing that attacks you.
Perhaps if he helped people with his drug knowledge here he could be useful.
I hate what you advocate. That is all.
YIP
Zack
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I have great respect for Milos and my educated guess is that he most absolutely, most substancially advises pros on how to use gear and hooks them up with sources.
Just my educated guess.
And who cares about the bullshit US government anyway? Adults are free to do whatever they want. If they want to do roids, so be it. The real criminals are the people who break into somebody's PRIVATE PROPERTY and use force to STEAL the drugs of the individual living there. The same assholes who STEAL our money to support bullshit laws by force where the penalty is that we go to jail if we don't pay them (taxes).
The real criminals are the pigs who create these laws and the pigs who enforce them. If Milos ever gets in trouble for something drug related, he is the victim of crime and nothing more.
I don`t care if anyone uses drugs. But lying to the bodybuilding fans by not telling them the effectiveness of drugs and just how big of a part they are in my opinion is wrong and not fair as it is not giving the full truth.
I don`t care about the legality issue. He should be willing to share his drug knowledge if that is what he does.
And he can because of the first ammendment.
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Inconsistancy:
YIP
Zack
Your line of logic does not make sense.
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Where did I say that he is a drug dealer?
The United States Government seemed to be interested in Milos.
Do you think it was because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?
Milos is killing you with kindness and now your backpeddling.
You were doing a great job of showing us just what kind of jack ass you are on your own but, now I think you just realized it.
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What are you going to SUE me now?
That is stage 2 of a Pro Olympic Meltdown.
Stage 3 is where you threaten to beat me up.
Am I going to sue you or beat you up?
Is this the best you can take from what I wrote?
There is the answer for you True Adonis what kind of guy you truly are...Enjoy your day ;)...and when you grow up and get some sense try to imagine there are better things in life than assessing the stages of the meltdowns...
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Milos is killing you with kindness and now your backpeddling.
You were doing a great job of showing just what kind of jack ass you are on your own but now I think you just realized it.
No idea what you are talking about....I am sure Milos is a nice person. I just don`t think his advice should be taken and applied when it is intended for those who don`t use drugs.
That is where all of this shit is going awry......They need to differentiate the advice and views presented on here and in the magazines.
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Am I going to sue you or bat you up?
Is this the best you can take from what I wrote?
There is the answer for you True Adonis what kind of guy you truly are...Enjoy your day ;)...and when you grow up and get some sense try to imagine there are better things in life than assessing the stages of the meltdowns...
MELTDOWN!
;D
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And you forgot my methods are all 100 PERCENT backed by Scientific Law.
With my methods it is a 100 PERCENT probability that you will be in single digit bodyfats,increase muscle and strength, all the while eating any food you like.
DANTES shit is all lies,myths and guesswork.
Sweet Jesus shut up.
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Am I going to sue you or bat you up?
Is this the best you can take from what I wrote?
There is the answer for you True Adonis what kind of guy you truly are...Enjoy your day ;)...and when you grow up and get some sense try to imagine there are better things in life than assessing the stages of the meltdowns...
hahahaha, keep on advocating drugs for everything Milos. Are you going to sue me now? Good luck with that you inbred dipshit. hahahaha, what a fucking loser.
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Am I going to sue you or bat you up?
Is this the best you can take from what I wrote?
There is the answer for you True Adonis what kind of guy you truly are...Enjoy your day ;)...and when you grow up and get some sense try to imagine there are better things in life than assessing the stages of the meltdowns...
You are the one who used the word Sue. Sue me for what?
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But lying to the bodybuilding fans by not telling them the effectiveness of drugs and just how big of a part they are in my opinion is wrong and not fair as it is not giving the full truth.
How's he lying? No one thinks he's natural, and no one really believes that drugs aren't by far the largest part of the reason for pros' success.
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Am I going to sue you or bat you up?
Is this the best you can take from what I wrote?
There is the answer for you True Adonis what kind of guy you truly are...Enjoy your day ;)...and when you grow up and get some sense try to imagine there are better things in life than assessing the stages of the meltdowns...
Milos,the man publish nude photos of himself with transvestites....do you really think you should even bother with him?
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Where did I say that he is a drug dealer?
The United States Government seemed to be interested in Milos.
Do you think it was because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?
Do you think that adding: "because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?" MAKES this post more entertaining, funnier...or what? Or this is just another way of you showing the LOVE and understanding...?
I spent A LOT OF TIME (here on getbig) explaining the whole case and you can still read what I wrote...
What happened to me and Dennis is TRAGICAL to say the least...and it was directly DUE to someone JUST LIKE YOU telling people that EVERYTHING MILOS advocates is reallated to drugs...which got DEA's attention...
As I explained everything already I will not bore anyone by saying it again: BUT GOVERNEMENT WOULD NOT LET ME GO IF I WAS GUILTY OF WHAT YOU AND OTHER'S MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT....
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Do you think that adding: "because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?" MAKES this post more entertaining, funnier...or what? Or this is just another way of you showing the LOVE and understanding...?
I spent A LOT OF TIME (here on getbig) explaining the whole case and you can still read what I wrote...
What happened to me and Dennis is TRAGICAL to say the least...and it was directly DUE to someone JUST LIKE YOU telling people that EVERYTHING MILOS advocates is reallated to drugs...which got DEA's attention...
As I explained everything already I will not bore anyone by saying it again: BUT GOVERNEMENT WOULD NOT LET ME GO IF I WAS GUILTY OF WHAT YOU AND OTHER'S MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT....
Milos man, you don't have to defend yourself against this guy. Your reputation and qualifications speak for themselves.
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I HOPE for your sake your a lifetime natty, if not you need to beat the hell out of your supplier.
Why are you firing back at him if you guys don't like this kind of behaviour? Seems kind of hyprocritical. He would be more likely to stop if you ignored him.
A lot of getbig's appeal is the trolls around here and the pros need a thicker skin as does everyone who posts hear.
Some of these guys act the way they do because they can't do it in real life. I would love to see TA diss Milos in real life. There would be two hits. TA hitting the floor and the ambulance hitting 90 on the way to the hospital.
Also this generation of kids are far more disrespectful in general. I can't imagine bashing Arnold or Tom Platz or Zane if we had the internet in the 70s or 80s. Maybe I am wrong.
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Why are you firing back at him if you guys don't like this kind of behaviour? Seems kind of hyprocritical. He would be more likely to stop if you ignored him.
A lot of getbig's appeal is the trolls around here and the pros need a thicker skin as does everyone who posts hear.
Some of these guys act the way they do because they can't do it in real life. I would love to see TA diss Milos in real life. There would be two hits. TA hitting the floor and the ambulance hitting 90 on the way to the hospital.
Also this generation of kids are far more disrespectful in general. I can't imagine bashing Arnold or Tom Platz or Zane if we had the internet in the 70s or 80s. Maybe I am wrong.
A little trolling is alright, Adonis has taken it to a level that is beyond annoying. A little of his shit would be alright, but, how much of this garbage do we have to sift through to read something funny on here.
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You are the one who used the word Sue. Sue me for what?
This should tell you few things about yourself...
YOU used the word NOT ME...
You keep assuming and making the ASSuming fool out of yourself...
I simply stated the facts (one being that IF you continue accusing someone of ILLEGAL activities (drug issue) you might be facing some legal troubles...And as it usually goes - that is exactly what is going to happen top you one day (not that I wish you that - but I am giving you a friendly warning...)
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Do you think that adding: "because they needed some workout tips and how to best take their post-workout Dextrose shakes?" MAKES this post more entertaining, funnier...or what? Or this is just another way of you showing the LOVE and understanding...?
I spent A LOT OF TIME (here on getbig) explaining the whole case and you can still read what I wrote...
What happened to me and Dennis is TRAGICAL to say the least...and it was directly DUE to someone JUST LIKE YOU telling people that EVERYTHING MILOS advocates is reallated to drugs...which got DEA's attention...
As I explained everything already I will not bore anyone by saying it again: BUT GOVERNEMENT WOULD NOT LET ME GO IF I WAS GUILTY OF WHAT YOU AND OTHER'S MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT....
I agree with you Milos. They did have their suspicions though. Somehow your name came up on their list. You happen to be involved and associated with what the government deems as "bad company".
You can`t blame them. They were just doing their job. I never once called you a drug dealer. You are in the same sport and position with those who have sold drugs I am certain. (Craig Titus for one and Dave Palumbo).
And in the United States,drug use is even illegal. You chose to associate yourself with all of this by becoming a pro bodybuilder.
I don`t feel sorry for you.
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A little trolling is alright, Adonis has taken it to a level that is beyond annoying. A little of his shit would be alright, but, how much of this garbage do we have to sift through to read something funny on here.
I agree. I am quitting this fucking place if this attention whore isn't put in his place. SHUT THE FUCK UP TA!! You are an average gym rat. No more, no less. I can't believe Ron is letting some kid who has never done shit in terms of bodybuilding give out such fucked up advice ???
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Why are you firing back at him if you guys don't like this kind of behaviour? Seems kind of hyprocritical. He would be more likely to stop if you ignored him.
A lot of getbig's appeal is the trolls around here and the pros need a thicker skin as does everyone who posts hear.
Some of these guys act the way they do because they can't do it in real life. I would love to see TA diss Milos in real life. There would be two hits. TA hitting the floor and the ambulance hitting 90 on the way to the hospital.
Also this generation of kids are far more disrespectful in general. I can't imagine bashing Arnold or Tom Platz or Zane if we had the internet in the 70s or 80s. Maybe I am wrong.
Milos and I wouldn`t fight. I am sure we would be good friends and actually talk intelligently...It is your small reptilian brain that would want violence.
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If their job was to molest babies would it be acceptable to not hold it against them to using the same argument?
I don`t agree with the drug laws at all...I think they are stupid.
I also don`t agree with drug use in sports...It is not fair.
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Milos and I wouldn`t fight. I am sure we would be good friends and actually talk intelligently...It is your small reptilian brain that would want violence.
I think I can speak for more than a few people, that although this is a message board and is "not to be taken too seriously", you have gone far enough on more than a few occasions for people to dislike you in person at least as much as they do on here. I understand that this place is meant to be fun, but, you have crossed a lot of lines and I wouldn't expect people to be too friendly in person. They probably are too smart to hit you, but ignore you, you bet. Dude, you are nothing special, you are the most annoying member on GetBig. It was funny at the start. That was like 2000 posts ago though.
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garreath, when did you become such a cry baby?
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garreath, when did you become such a cry baby?
I was thinking the same thing, all TA is doing is expressing his opinion, I thought you were allowed to do that on getbig ::)
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I don`t agree with the drug laws at all...I think they are stupid.
I also don`t agree with drug use in sports...It is not fair.
You guys just don`t get it do you?
I DON`T GIVE A SHIT WHO USES DRUGS!
I just call it as I see it.
All Drugs, means All Drugs.
Im not saying don`t use them.
I don`t think they belong in sports of any kind.
I could care less if anyone uses them,just make it fair if you are going to compete in something.
I wish All Drugs were legalized. I think people should have the right to fuck themselves up if they want.....Or just use to make themselves feel better or whatever.
Why can`t you see that it is possible to have these 2 thoughts simultaneously?
Legalize drugs, Ban them from sports.
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I'm not even trying to be a funny guy about it. Don't click the threads. People shit on mods then want mods to jump when they (the members) start complaining.
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He doesn't post whore. He posts responses.
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Adonis....sigh
Poking a stick at DC is one thing. Poking one at Milo's is different
First off, BALCO's greatest contribution to building muscle was not the clear or the cream as most people would like to believe.
Their biggest contribution was the product ZMA which allowed athletes to increase strength and performance very effectively.
And you certainly cannot dismiss Project World Record which put the USA back on the map at the Olympics. Regardless of what some say, the fact is every other country has their own special program and the only thing BALCO did was even the playing field yet the method of training and nutrition was revolutionary which blew every other country out of the water. Even the Russians, the Germans and Bulgarians couldn't do what BALCO did. Essentially they took an ordinary regular athlete and turned him or her into a World Record Holder in less than one year from ground up. And it was more than just one athlete.
The fact is that every sport has athletes using steroids even down to golf and problably shuffleboard. Multi-million dollar endorsements, contracts, and shoe deals depend on simply winning...there is no room for second place or runner-up.
The fact is that the politicans and everyone else was demanding for the USA to dominate in the Olympics at any cost and the mission was accomplished. Milo's was nothing more than a scapegoat for them covering their tracks.
I'm done with this thread.
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I agree. I am quitting this fucking place if this attention whore isn't put in his place. SHUT THE f**k UP TA!! You are an average gym rat. No more, no less. I can't believe Ron is letting some kid who has never done shit in terms of bodybuilding give out such fucked up advice ???
You won't be missed you pill-popping piece of shit. Do us a favor and leave anyway.
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hahaha, how many times have we heard that? Remember when the Gammo-O president said that and he posted about a minute later? Remember when "240 or bust" melted and joined getbig within 35 seconds of deleting his account under the handle "240 is back". Everyone says they are done, but no one can stay away long. ;D
I fucking HATE that quality this place has. As stupid as it is, I can't stay away :'(
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hahaha, how many times have we heard that? Remember when the Gammo-O president said that and he posted about a minute later? Remember when "240 or bust" melted and joined getbig within 35 seconds of deleting his account under the handle "240 is back". Everyone says they are done, but no one can stay away long. ;D
I am pretty much done with this thread. I may goof around here but when I go to Milo's discussion board, I don't post anything. I read and listen in the terms of a student taking notes in class. Milo's earned his respect and has nothing to prove to anyone
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Milos and I wouldn`t fight. I am sure we would be good friends and actually talk intelligently...It is your small reptilian brain that would want violence.
That's funny because I can't imagine you putting up too much of a fight.
Also Milos, is English your first language, because your writing is near perfect?
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1] Getbig is the best forum because of the [relative] freedom of speech.
2] We have the best pros - Lee 'a bit of deca in the offseason' Priest and Shawn 'dealer, squealer, tranny feeler' Ray. They always shoot from the hip and don't try to dodge issues. In fact they're the ones that are usually creating them :)
3] As well as the two best pros we have gh15. Everyone from Mayhem and bb.com comes here to listen to him. He dispells the myths and fantasies that surround bodybuilding and says the one thing no other pro will admit....
4] Bodybuilding at the professional level is 90% drugs.
5] Getbig will not tolerate people coming here and trying to hawk snake oil. The guy from Scamma O was so thoroughly owned he is probably still crying.
6] Getbig is the only forum where you can have a passionate debate. The others are so heavily moderated that at the slightest signs of an argument you get sent a warning - or thrown off.
7] The other forums are very cold and impersonal. Yes, Getbig is populated by misfits and losers - but there is a strange sense of community here. And its as addictive as hell.
8] Milos, you complain about your treatment here - but you always aquit yourself eloquently and with great dignity. Your feuds with the likes of Gayjoanna won you alot of new fans and potential customers. Also your battle with Shawn was Getbig gold. Admit it: you love it here!
9] People can be honest on Getbig. I know from my own experiences that nothing can compare with the power of steroids. All the cell tech and protein shakes in the world arn't going to do the same job as test, deca and dbol, he he he. I wouldn't be able to say that on Mayhem.
10] Getbig is fun. Drama, excitement, humiliating meltdowns - and thats just from Rhino. LONG LIVE GETBIG!
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That's funny because I can't imagine you putting up too much of a fight.
Also Milos, is English your first language, because your writing is near perfect?
I think his native language is srpske.
YIP
Zack
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That's funny because I can't imagine you putting up too much of a fight.
Also Milos, is English your first language, because your writing is near perfect?
Adonis would turtle so quickly in a fight it would make your head spin. Mind you, in person, he wouldn't behave like this. There is no way he could make it more than 20 minutes outside behaving like this in the United States. Up here in Canada maybe (it is too cold outside for more than one or two people out there at the same time max, and we are all drugged up on free meds), but not there.
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Adonis....sigh
Poking a stick at DC is one thing. Poking one at Milo's is different
First off, BALCO's greatest contribution to building muscle was not the clear or the cream as most people would like to believe.
Their biggest contribution was the product ZMA which allowed athletes to increase strength and performance very effectively.
And you certainly cannot dismiss Project World Record which put the USA back on the map at the Olympics. Regardless of what some say, the fact is every other country has their own special program and the only thing BALCO did was even the playing field yet the method of training and nutrition was revolutionary which blew every other country out of the water. Even the Russians, the Germans and Bulgarians couldn't do what BALCO did. Essentially they took an ordinary regular athlete and turned him or her into a World Record Holder in less than one year from ground up. And it was more than just one athlete.
The fact is that every sport has athletes using steroids even down to golf and problably shuffleboard. Multi-million dollar endorsements, contracts, and shoe deals depend on simply winning...there is no room for second place or runner-up.
The fact is that the politicans and everyone else was demanding for the USA to dominate in the Olympics at any cost and the mission was accomplished. Milo's was nothing more than a scapegoat for them covering their tracks.
I'm done with this thread.
Change the Laws first, then drugs in sports will at least have some validation.
However, The OLYMPICS bans drug use world-wide, even though in a lot of countries it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to use Steroids.
Do you know why?
Fairness.
That is what I advocate.Fairness....Not hing more.
I don`t care of the legality or moral issue. Just fairness.
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11. UK Gold likes fingers in his asshole
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1] Getbig is the best forum because of the [relative] freedom of speech.
2] We have the best pros - Lee 'a bit of deca in the offseason' Priest and Shawn 'dealer, squealer, tranny feeler' Ray. They always shoot from the hip and don't try to dodge issues. In fact they're the ones that are usually creating them :)
3] As well as the two best pros we have gh15. Everyone from Mayhem and bb.com comes here to listen to him. He dispells the myths and fantasies that surround bodybuilding and says the one thing no other pro will admit....
4] Bodybuilding at the professional level is 90% drugs.
5] Getbig will not tolerate people coming here and trying to hawk snake oil. The guy from Scamma O was so thoroughly owned he is probably still crying.
6] Getbig is the only forum where you can have a passionate debate. The others are so heavily moderated that at the slightest signs of an argument you get sent a warning - or thrown off.
7] The other forums are very cold and impersonal. Yes, Getbig is populated by misfits and losers - but there is a strange sense of community here. And its as addictive as hell.
8] Milos, you complain about your treatment here - but you always aquit yourself eloquently and with great dignity. Your feuds with the likes of Gayjoanna won you alot of new fans and potential customers. Also your battle with Shawn was Getbig gold. Admit it: you love it here!
9] People can be honest on Getbig. I know from my own experiences that nothing can compare with the power of steroids. All the cell tech and protein shakes in the world arn't going to do the same job as test, deca and dbol, he he he. I wouldn't be able to say that on Mayhem.
10] Getbig is fun. Drama, excitement, humiliating meltdowns - and thats just from Rhino. LONG LIVE GETBIG!
And then we have UK Gold, the guy who admitted to his girlfriend cleaning out his sphincter with her strap-on.
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Also Milos, is English your first language, because your writing is near perfect?
Except, of course, for not realizing that "tragical" is not a word. ;D
I spent A LOT OF TIME (here on getbig) explaining the whole case and you can still read what I wrote...
What happened to me and Dennis is TRAGICAL to say the least...and it was directly DUE to someone JUST LIKE YOU telling people that EVERYTHING MILOS advocates is reallated to drugs...which got DEA's attention...
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The inability to deal with negativity indicates weak character, a fragile ego, and lack of maturity and self-confidence.
I fully agree, but a compunction to generate lots of negativity can mean the same thing, Goat.
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LOL shouldn't there be an 11. in front of that? I mean at least maintain his format.
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hahaha, how many times have we heard that? Remember when the Gammo-O president said that and he posted about a minute later? Remember when "240 or bust" melted and joined getbig within 35 seconds of deleting his account under the handle "240 is back". Everyone says they are done, but no one can stay away long. ;D
Yes Matt, goodrum is a joke
he got mad at me yesterday and started calling me "kid" cause I was arguing with him the fact that he said he wasn't fat at his last show, he was "depleted" hahaha
can you believe this guy actually train people ? he can't even make the difference between a depleted physique and a fat one
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Change the Laws first, then drugs in sports will at least have some validation.
However, The OLYMPICS bans drug use world-wide, even though in a lot of countries it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to use Steroids.
Do you know why?
Fairness.
That is what I advocate.Fairness....Not hing more.
I don`t care of the legality or moral issue. Just fairness.
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I'm going to go down to Dairy Queen and hide out in the walk in freezer that way I won't have to worry about my protein intake for the day
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Change the Laws first, then drugs in sports will at least have some validation.
However, The OLYMPICS bans drug use world-wide, even though in a lot of countries it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to use Steroids.
Do you know why?
Fairness.
That is what I advocate.Fairness....Not hing more.
I don`t care of the legality or moral issue. Just fairness.
Monster short-term memory loss. You already posted this.
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11. UK Gold likes fingers in his asshole
The ice cream diet is working for you, ha ha ha
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The ice cream diet is working for you, ha ha ha
I don't eat ice cream. That "new" stuff isn't my speed.
btw: how is the anal fingering going?
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The ice cream diet is working for you, ha ha ha
firstly that pic is heavily photoshopped, how do I know? I did it.
Secondly you can tell fukall from the pic.
Lastly go to clapham common, and let ron davies finger your arsehole.
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I like people posting that pic. I'm playing guitar and drinking beer. That's sooooooo fucking gay isn't it! God forbid. I should try fingers up my ass instead hahahaha
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UK GOLD's girlfriend has emptied his sphincter before? ???
Speak on this.
hahahah yeah. Not only that he posted about it in the most flamboyant style you could hahaha
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Heres your boyfriend then Broadstreet, ha ha ha
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UK Gold's girlfriend has emptied his sphincter before? ???
Speak on this.
When shes sucking me off she likes to finger my ass. Its great! Give it a go!
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man i sure hope ron doesn't sell. when you alter a winning formula, even if it is an improvement, you often lose a large chunk of people who prefer familirity and comfort to new bells and whistles
That being said, if DC did buy it, it might be pretty cool to see the same GB look with some different boards. Dante would probably be a better buyer than some porn or gambling firm who just wanted to spam us. He knows the sport and is one of the best known names on the boards. If it got a tad more aggressive and brought back the guest feature, it might not suck that bad at all!
Dante-
If you removed any anti-DC debates, upped the censorship, gave all pros moderator powers, made 3/4 the first screen an ad, or other things which made this place feel more like a classroom than a playground, I think you would lose thousands of people.
Ron has NO agenda, which lets it retain creative people - and this is why getbig succeeds. If this place became dickhead city, i can picture the top 50 posters choosing a new place to post some very wild stuff. Remember that the top 50 posters here are the ones who put getbig on the map. not the pros. When Romano talked about GB in MD every month, it wasn't for the pros. It was for the A-hole kids who were funny/rude/real all at the same time.
Getbig has a niche and i hope it stays there, no matter who pays the rent.
Rob
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When shes sucking me off she likes to finger my ass. Its great! Give it a go!
:-X :-X :-X
ok too much details
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man i sure hope ron doesn't sell. when you alter a winning formula, even if it is an improvement, you often lose a large chunk of people who prefer familirity and comfort to new bells and whistles
That being said, if DC did buy it, it might be pretty cool to see the same GB look with some different boards. Dante would probably be a better buyer than some porn or gambling firm who just wanted to spam us. He knows the sport and is one of the best known names on the boards. If it got a tad more aggressive and brought back the guest feature, it might not suck that bad at all!
Dante-
If you removed any anti-DC debates, upped the censorship, gave all pros moderator powers, made 3/4 the first screen an ad, or other things which made this place feel more like a classroom than a playground, I think you would lose thousands of people.
Ron has NO agenda, which lets it retain creative people - and this is why getbig succeeds. If this place became dickhead city, i can picture the top 50 posters choosing a new place to post some very wild stuff. Remember that the top 50 posters here are the ones who put getbig on the map. not the pros. When Romano talked about GB in MD every month, it wasn't for the pros. It was for the A-hole kids who were funny/rude/real all at the same time.
Getbig has a niche and i hope it stays there, no matter who pays the rent.
Rob
exactly. There is a reason no one here goes to mayhem, it's boring as fukking hell.
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BSB - are you saying that UK Gold gets off on unusual sexual activity like emptying his sphincter on his girlfriend's stomach and things like this?
I'm saying that I play guitar, drink beer and enjoy fucking my fiance like a man and UK Gold likes to have his brown star probed with the skin shuttle and his only defense is I talk to True Adonis.
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Can you guys stop talking about UK Gold's sexal experiences please ?
that's disgusting
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Team Adonis and Friends would buy this guy way before Dante` would even get a bid in.
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Where is Woten when you need him. ;D
Probably having much worse done to him. He is a genuine pervert.
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yes woten is massively depraved. sweaty socks and tranny's
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Good lord how did this thread reach 8 pages. Getbig is not for sale, won't be and there is no discussion. Ron is not interested in selling getbig to Dante and he knows this.
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More bits of wisdom from True Anus. :-X
Metabolism has nothing to do with a caloric defecit.
There is no such thing as one food being more healthy than the other.
Your progress would be EXACTLY the SAME no matter what you eat.
It does not take much protein at all to build muscle tissue.
Hunger does not cause people to eat.
People eat because they want to, not because they have to.
If you eat every 3 hours you won`t feel hungered. Next issue?
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He is also in prison from what I read on here.
For what?
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Good lord how did this thread reach 8 pages. Getbig is not for sale, won't be and there is no discussion. Ron is not interested in selling getbig to Dante and he knows this.
dante's probably over on mayhem now saying how hes "owned" us by pretending to be interested in buying getbig ::)
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come on yorkshire, you know he's just on the net to check box scores he would never be trolling getbig to see who responds to him
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I think no one is natural here cause you're all obviously suffering from roid rage ;D
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come on yorkshire, you know he's just on the net to check box scores he would never be trolling getbig to see who responds to him
your probably right ;D
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a simple solution is everyone has to post up their real names (maybe a 2 dollar a year credit card payment for membership at getbig which would make the name verification valid) Its a big difference when your real name "Tony Smith" is out there instead of biggunsmcgee hiding behind a screen name. If your going to rip and bash hey, lets make it a fair playing field, you know their name they know yours.
Doesnt matter anyway, I havent heard back from Ron and if Steve Blechman sees this thread he will outbid me by double.
Excellent point. How many shadow accounts are going also.. not to count the "shared" ones... I wonder if Ron Has the log of the IP per users, I would be curious to see how that maps out...
For all the techies questions out there, that board is built with SimpleMachines (PHP based) and sits on top of MYSQL I beleive
http://www.simplemachines.org/ (http://www.simplemachines.org/)
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a simple solution is everyone has to post up their real names (maybe a 2 dollar a year credit card payment for membership at getbig which would make the name verification valid) Its a big difference when your real name "Tony Smith" is out there instead of biggunsmcgee hiding behind a screen name. If your going to rip and bash hey, lets make it a fair playing field, you know their name they know yours.
Doesnt matter anyway, I havent heard back from Ron and if Steve Blechman sees this thread he will outbid me by double.
who gives a shit if a "pro" knows your real name if you post an insult about the way they look, what are they going to do track you down? hahahaha, monster insecurity.
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who gives a shit if a "pro" knows your real name if you post an insult about the way they look, what are they going to do track you down?
Fair point.
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Fair point.
i think it's hilarious the way pros and guys like Doggcrap act like if someone knows your real name that you would post differently, will knowing my real name change the fact that Kamali has small arms or Coleman has a big stomach? of course not.
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i think it's hilarious the way pros and guys like Doggcrap act like if someone knows your real name that you would post differently, will knowing my real name change the fact that Kamali has small arms or Coleman has a big stomach? of course not.
But Sarcasm, if they knew your real name, they could come and beat you up in real life for not swinging from their nuts and dare I say it, actually disagreeing with them? hahahahaha, what a bunch of insecure losers.
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How about sex and rock and roll?
Good come back Milos...Milos was also very helpful with a problem i had through PM..He is a class act...
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Regarding names: did Dante ever give his full name? I haven't read the interviews he's done in the mags recently.
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Regarding names: did Dante ever give his full name? I haven't read the interviews he's done in the mags recently.
Yeah, "Dante Fatfuck".
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Yeah, "Dante Fatfuck".
But seriously now... anyone?
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Team Adonis and Friends would buy this f**cker way before Dante` would even get a bid in.
you're living a lie.
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I don't give a shit if any pros post on here. What could they ever post on here that would ever be worth a god damn thing? If Mayhem is so nice, then they should be posting over there. So if I wanna see them post, I'll go over there. I don't need to see more drug abusing losers meltdown on here.
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dante's probably over on mayhem now saying how hes "owned" us by pretending to be interested in buying getbig ::)
9 pages in a couple hours, started by and with almost all of the posts by the very same guys who I absolutely knew would get most freaked out by all of this? Yea I would say youve been very well owned.
"its only the internet, people should have thicker skin, its not real"...yea and look at you guys freaking out and pushing the panic button....I rest my case. Done.
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9 pages in a couple hours, started by and with almost all of the posts by the very same guys who I absolutely knew would get most freaked out by all of this? Yea I would say youve been very well owned.
"its only the internet, people should have thicker skin, its not real"...yea and look at you guys freaking out and pushing the panic button....I rest my case. Done.
The thread was tongue in cheek. ::)
Kinda like "could kamali win the Olympia".
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9 pages in a couple hours, started by and with almost all of the posts by the very same guys who I absolutely knew would get most freaked out by all of this? Yea I would say youve been very well owned.
"its only the internet, people should have thicker skin, its not real"...yea and look at you guys freaking out and pushing the panic button....I rest my case. Done.
You're a lot more insecure than I thought you would be. It's kind of sad, really.
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You're a lot more insecure than I thought you would be. It's kind of sad, really.
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davidpaul - are you saying this thread had absolutely no truth or validity whatsoever? ;D
I think you have had to been here a while to "get" what getbig is all about, this is why so many quality poster's like you stay here, and not gayhem.
Dante sadly doesn't "get" it.
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It's funny how Dante ridicules all of these kids, saying "does anyone look at you and ever think you are a bodybuilder" and then wants 5 bills to put fat on them.
Dante, if I saw you out, like in this picture, I wouldn't even think you worked out. You just look fat and bloated. I would probably think you had some type of thyroid problem or another type of genetic disease.
Seriously, do you think you look good, or like a bodybuilder? Some of you fuckers just don't realize how ridiculous you look, yet you think you are a big bodybuilder. hahahahah, pathetic.
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9 pages in a couple hours, started by and with almost all of the posts by the very same guys who I absolutely knew would get most freaked out by all of this? Yea I would say youve been very well owned.
"its only the internet, people should have thicker skin, its not real"...yea and look at you guys freaking out and pushing the panic button....I rest my case. Done.
ok, Dante Struedel, hahahaha, epic being named after a snack cake.
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Dante, if I saw you out, like in this picture, I wouldn't even think you worked out. You just look fat and bloated. I would probably think you had some type of thyroid problem or another type of genetic disease.
Seriously, do you think you look good, or like a bodybuilder? Some of you fuckers just don't realize how ridiculous you look, yet you think you are a big bodybuilder. hahahahah, pathetic.
Bingo!
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ron's a jew
offer him some illegal diamonds
that shit's his kryptonite ;)
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ron's a jew
offer him some illegal diamonds
that shit's his kryptonite ;)
epic Marathon Man reference.
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I think you have had to been here a while to "get" what getbig is all about, this is why so many quality poster's like you stay here, and not Mayhem.
Dante sadly doesn't "get" it.
hahahaha, exactly, can you imagine if Mayhem was the only choice you had, epic depression.
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epic Marathon Man reference.
izz it szafe >:(
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izz it szafe >:(
hahahaha, Zell was brutal.
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never knew until recently this was lawrence olivier.
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never knew until recently this was lawrence olivier.
the really funny thing is that not even two years later he played a jewish Nazi hunter looking for Dr. Josef Mengele in The Boys From Brazil.
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the really funny thing is that not even two years later he played a jewish Nazi hunter looking for Dr. Josef Mengele in The Boys From Brazil.
never seen that, any good?
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It's very simple Just have people use their Real names,then watch the shit dry up.If half of the shit talk was said to someones face it would be a different story.So much burning and so little time.
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It's very simple Just have people use their Real names,then watch the shit dry up.If half of the shit talk was said to someones face it would be a different story.So much burning and so little time.
You're welcome to leave, thick lips.
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never seen that, any good?
awesome, Gregory Peck plays Mengele, the plot is that Mengele took a blood sample from Hitler in 1943 and froze it and thirty years later he impregnated 96 women with his seed somehow, not sure how and there were 96 little Hitler clones running around, you should rent it for the end scene alone, it's unbelievable.
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See what I mean Fuckstick.Get in line you Idiot.Berzerkyfly123.STF U.
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See what I mean Fuckstick.Get in line you Idiot.Berzerkyfly123.STF U.
I'd say it to your face too you useless piece of shit.
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See what I mean Fuckstick.Get in line you Idiot.Berzerkyfly123.STF U.
Haha you take the interent that serious?
Monster demanding of R-E-S-P-E-C-T... lololool
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Haha you take the interent that serious?
Monster demanding of R-E-S-P-E-C-T... lololool
hahahah body88, Miss Karen has spoken. BOW DOWN MORTALS. hahahaha, what a fucking tool.
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Hahah do you think that is a chick or some pussy posting under his c*unt wifes name?
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Hahah do you think that is a chick or some pussy posting under his c*unt wifes name?
no, i think it's a guy who secretly wishes to be a woman.
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awesome, Gregory Peck plays Mengele, the plot is that Mengele took a blood sample from Hitler in 1943 and froze it and thirty years later he impregnated 96 women with his seed somehow, not sure how and there were 96 little Hitler clones running around, you should rent it for the end scene alone, it's unbelievable.
wtf hitler clones, I'd heard of it, never would have thought that was the plot, next film for me to see.
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wtf hitler clones, I'd heard of it, never would have thought that was the plot, next film for me to see.
awesome movie, you'll love it.
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no, i think it's a guy who secretly wishes to be a woman.
Haha I bet he is pissed of his wife made him register with her name. HAHAHA I bet he has to ask to buy shit at the harware store.
Monster pussy whippage.
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Use a little common sense here. For every so-called validation you can put up advocating exorbitant amounts of protein consumption I can put up just as many that call for the opposite. Let's think about it rationally using the element of reason. If x amount of exercise is needed for optimal muscle growth there has to be a certain limit to overall growth. For example, if lifting weights for two hours a day produces a certain effect lifting for 4 hours a day isn't going to double the size of the muscles. Now, back to the matter of this foolish protein consumption. If the body can only process so much and utilize it for repair and growth what on earth makes you think that cramming more and more in the body is going to suddenly make the muscles grow past what they could reach with adequate rest, nutrition, stimulation etc? Just like my earlier statement: If eating an apple or two a day produces a certain amount of health do you think eating 100 is going to produce an infinite amount of good? Lastly, why is it that I personally and several others have actually been able to grow just as much muscle using moderate to low amounts of protein than when we tried the bogus idea of shoving more down our hatches than our bodies could utilize? Why is it studies have shown that people eating diets high in carbohydrates have been able to grow just as much muscle as people eating high protein diets? Too much protein simply overstresses the body's system and gets stored as FAT. Shall I continue?
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50900
http://www.arthurdevany.com/archives/2005/06/thermodynamics.html
http://www.chrysalisyog.homestead.com/files/PROTEIN.doc
TA's 100'th gimmic account
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Once Doggcrapp takes over or Ron works out more money to be made without the Fuckin Idiots here say goodbye you bunch of Fools tough guys who post under fuckstick names.Now don't get upset ya little boys,it is just Getbig remember nobody takes this place Serious'STFU.
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Most pros don't give out any advice anyway because they are brainless goons that have nutritionists and trainers tell them what to eat, how to train, when to piss.
That was damn funny.
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Once Doggcrapp takes over or Ron works out more money to be made without the Fuckin Idiots here say goodbye you bunch of Fools tough guys who post under fuckstick names.Now don't get upset ya little boys,it is just Getbig remember nobody takes this place Serious'STFU.
Hahah run your wife is coming!!!!! AAAHAHAH
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Once Doggcrapp takes over or Ron works out more money to be made without the Fuckin Idiots here say goodbye you bunch of Fools tough guys who post under fuckstick names.Now don't get upset ya little boys,it is just Getbig remember nobody takes this place Serious'STFU.
Meltdown.
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Don't take this place serious is way from a meltdown.Idiot.
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Once Doggcrapp takes over or Ron works out more money to be made without the Fuckin Idiots here say goodbye you bunch of Fools tough guys who post under fuckstick names.Now don't get upset ya little boys,it is just Getbig remember nobody takes this place Serious'STFU.
Meltdown you fucking thick-lipped ape.
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Who is calling who an Ape you fuckin Turd eater.
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Who is calling who an Ape you fuckin Turd eater.
I'm glad I'm not forced to post on a board I hate like you are. That must suck.
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Who is calling who an Ape you fuckin Turd eater.
Haha your mad at your dad!!!
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unless pros start talking about their diets in complete detail and the drugs that they use in complete detail, who really care if they post here or anywhere or not....
Talk about groupies...These guys aren't f cking rock stars for christ sakes...95% of them have nothing to say...They are boring as f ck on the computer and most likely in the real world...
Lee priest is one of the funnies f cks on here along with Ray and Chick(athletes rep)...That is what is upsetting of the likes of DC...He can't stand the fact that these guys post here and they post just like anyone else. BS and all....
DC, you would wreck this site...Just stay away...Mayhem is just click away...
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Not forced to do anything it's just you pricks think if you play tough you scare people away type under ya real names and see how scared we all are,by the way you have such Tough names oooooohhhhhh.
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I'm going to help Ron Bring Getbig Public, then getbig will be owned by the shareholders... ;D
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I'm going to help Ron Bring Getbig Public, then getbig will be owned by the shareholders... ;D
I'd buy... ;D
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I'm going to help Ron Bring Getbig Public, then getbig will be owned by the shareholders... ;D
I was in jail.....Everything is ok...Thanks for asking...you are still my little bitch
hahahaha.
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It's funny how Dante ridicules all of these kids, saying "does anyone look at you and ever think you are a bodybuilder" and then wants 5 bills to put fat on them.
Dante, if I saw you out, like in this picture, I wouldn't even think you worked out. You just look fat and bloated. I would probably think you had some type of thyroid problem or another type of genetic disease.
Seriously, do you think you look good, or like a bodybuilder? Some of you fuckers just don't realize how ridiculous you look, yet you think you are a big bodybuilder. hahahahah, pathetic.
Golly gee wow Count that hurts, I guess I missed my peak on my wedding day with the vest and the 6XL suitcoat that I had to wear (because mine didnt show up) and all....Ill make sure I start my prepdiet early next time I get married ok-LOL?
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Not forced to do anything it's just you pricks think if you play tough you scare people away type under ya real names and see how scared we all are,by the way you have such Tough names oooooohhhhhh.
you really need to see real names?
ok so my name is Danny Noonon....How could anyone prove it wasn't...See where that would go...
Then you would have the Mike Hunts and Dick Peckers of the world posting...
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you really need to see real names?
ok so my name is Danny Noonon....How could anyone prove it wasn't...See where that would go...
Then you would have the Mike Hunts and Dick Peckers of the world posting...
Noonan-Noon-Noonan-Noon-Noonan. He was a sweet putter ;D
Is my cvnt here? Anyone seen my cvnt?
good movies.
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The thing is Dante, I'm not saying that just to piss you off. I really wouldn't think you worked out, you look bloated and horribly out of shape with a 50 inch waist (I know you will say it's never been more than 36).
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you really need to see real names?
ok so my name is Danny Noonon....How could anyone prove it wasn't...See where that would go...
Then you would have the Mike Hunts and Dick Peckers of the world posting...
Don't forget Dick Pound...no, wait
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I think Dante just wants to buy Getbig so that the nutritional myths of bodybuilding will stop being taken down like the Berlin wall.
Who's going to buy all of those supplements and powders when people wake up and realize you can look EXACTLY the same on McDonalds and ice cream.
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Not to say anything about Dante's picture posted here but I'll bet anyone here a c-note that he is next in the Dead Pool...
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with the vest and the 6XL suitcoat that I had to wear
ok, so the clothing is to blame then, not that you are (were) probably 60 pounds overweight?
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Point taken about names.Cowards are and always will be Cowards.
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There is always www.boom7.com
Yeah... the "last post" on that board was back in May or June.
Monster success!
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If Ron sells the site, will that mean there will be no more "Tamali" and "Derek Anthony" threads?
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I think Dante just wants to buy Getbig so that the nutritional myths of bodybuilding will stop being taken down like the Berlin wall.
Who's going to buy all of those supplements and powders when people wake up and realize you can look EXACTLY the same on McDonalds and ice cream.
Hi Adonis. ::)
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On this site, (on any site infact) a coward is someone who cannot win an intellectual battle so he demands the real names of the people he is battling in order to perhaps win something at that level.
You'd say the same thing about a person who came to a wrestling ring and pulled out a textbook and started trying to debate physics with his opponent.
Even if we all told you our names we'd still think your training/nutrition regime was nonsense :)
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I still hope he buys this site for the simple fact that it will be funny as hell watching some of the guys here meltdown. They've already been banned from everywhere else so there time as internet bodybuilding super heros will be over. funny as hell.
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I still hope he buys this site for the simple fact that it will be funny as hell watching some of the guys here meltdown. They've already been banned from everywhere else so there time as internet bodybuilding super heros will be over. funny as hell.
The day getbig goes down I will start a board with zero moderation :)
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The day getbig goes down I will start a board with zero moderation :)
Why don't you do it now?
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If you (or someone else) know someones real name and address, that you will do something about them arguing or being inflammatory with you on a message board?
Good points. Sounds like so many mean people on here are hurting her feelings and she'd like to know how to have them beaten/ killed. Aww, poor baby.
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Why don't you do it now?
Because we don't need a place and thus it would fail *cough* boom7 *cough*
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You will soon and I am well aware of threats and how to take them who started with the big lips and ape shit not me some pussy turd eating waste of space a real getbig hero.Like so many here.STFU.
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You will soon and I am well aware of threats and how to take them who started with the big lips and ape shit not me some pussy turd eating waste of space a real getbig hero.Like so many here.STFU.
you're black? pm me some pics
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You guys tried to start your own site already (TWICE) and they both failed miserably. Do you think that might be a clue that you are not the draw at getbig at all? You need this site, this site doesnt need you. Im not talking a spartan existence at all, Im all for freedom of speech, but im also for shoving the disorderly conduct individual out the door too.
Im talking about bringing every pro that used to post here back (and there were alot of them--20-30 or so back in the day--- now the only 2 you have regularly posting are the 2 that dont like chad--shawn and lee). Its up to Ron - even if he doesnt sell it maybe he will realize that getbigs draw (was) the pros and top am's that used to post here
hahaha that will be real interenting for a week, then when they get tired of running to thier pc it will all be over! what a dumbass!
just look at mayhem wich is pro friendly, thier posts have went so far down and the amount of people that post are no where near what it was few yrs ago!
gossip bullshit sells, all your gossip mags like the star ect... no one would buy a mag run by the stars themselves you dumb asshole!
this site would get cut in half within 3 months!
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No. Not selling the site. And there is no thought of it. So this whole thread is irrelevant.
No, I am not making money off this site. That was never the intention. Various sponsors cover the cost of the server and various trips so it doesnt come out of pocket all of the time.
Yes, I agree some moderation is important, which for the last few months, it has been more (as many will tell you).
Yes, there are boards on here for the pros and experts, if they choose to post.
Yes, tweaking with various boards, and parts of the site I do sometimes.
And it is a fan's site, so hopefully enjoy what you can out of it. You can never please everyone all of the time.
See all of you at the Olympia Weekend, and come say hello....
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ok, Dante Struedel, hahahaha, epic being named after a snack cake.
hahaha great name, it fits him perfectly aswell
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No. Not selling the site. And there is no thought of it. So this whole thread is irrelevant.
No, I am not making money off this site. That was never the intention. Various sponsors cover the cost of the server and various trips so it doesnt come out of pocket all of the time.
Yes, I agree some moderation is important, which for the last few months, it has been more (as many will tell you).
Yes, there are boards on here for the pros and experts, if they choose to post.
Yes, tweaking with various boards, and parts of the site I do sometimes.
And it is a fan's site, so hopefully enjoy what you can out of it. You can never please everyone all of the time.
See all of you at the Olympia Weekend, and come say hello....
Ron it is very commendable what youve done here, i always respect people who dont sell out and stand by their principles when they could make a fast buck,theres not many people like that any more its good to see there still out there.
money isnt everything its better to have principles,somebody like dante strudel could never make a place like this because his first thoughts would be about money where your first thoughts were about a place people could say what they want without excessive censorship
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obviously this site is comprised of losers who got banned from other bodybuilding sites.
obviously ron lets us bash anyone we please.
it's the #1 bodybuilding board by far. volume and content wise.
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getbig is my life and without getbig i am nothing...get 4life and for ever
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getbig is my life and without getbig i am nothing...get 4life and for ever
thats great, but you should probably find some other stuff to do aswell,like lifting weights or something ;D
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Dante and Milos both know a lot about training. Melvin and Adonis know very little. The rest stir the crap out of just about everyone either to piss them off or see them react. New putdowns recently, besides the gay tag, is that someone is too old to listen to. The best putdown was simply to refuse to read anything over 3 lines in a post.
I post here just to see if I can survive all the crap thrown at me. Very few people here have the capacity, experience or intelligence to seriously debate hypertrophy issues. Most people assume they know all about training so don't listen to anyone else. Assorted losers and misfits are assigned to various people to stir the crap out of them. If the target survives without overly reacting then they are okay.
I would prefer to see everyone post under their real names like some of us do. However that would take as much nerve and courage as actually entering a bodybuilding contest. There is something wonderful about this site but the freedom of expression is a price that is almost too high to pay.
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obviously this site is comprised of losers who got banned from other bodybuilding sites.
obviously ron lets us bash anyone we please.
it's the #1 bodybuilding board by far. volume and content wise.
exactly, getbig is like the Oakland Raiders of the 70's we're rejects from other boards because we tell the truthand don't hold back even with the so called "pros".
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Dante and Milos both know a lot about training. Melvin and Adonis know very little. The rest stir the crap out of just about everyone either to piss them off or see them react. New putdowns recently, besides the gay tag, is that someone is too old to listen to. The best putdown was simply to refuse to read anything over 3 lines in a post.
I post here just to see if I can survive all the crap thrown at me. Very few people here have the capacity, experience or intelligence to seriously debate hypertrophy issues. Most people assume they know all about training so don't listen to anyone else. Assorted losers and misfits are assigned to various people to stir the crap out of them. If the target survives without overly reacting then they are okay.
I would prefer to see everyone post under their real names like some of us do. However that would take as much nerve and courage as actually entering a bodybuilding contest. There is something wonderful about this site but the freedom of expression is a price that is almost too high to pay.
They call you old because it obviously irritates you :) (At this point it wouldn't be worth telling me it doesn't because we can all tell it mildly does at the least). As I have said - show weakness and you'll face it every thread you post it in here. I will say that you bring it on yourself in this respect though because for every young person who discriminates point of view because that an oldie has said it that same old person is doing the same thing to young ones. Live by the sword, die by the sword :)
All the people that claim you need to post under your real name can be rebutted by the suggestion that a "real man" has a stable enough psyche to withstand frank discussion. People say what they think here. Why would you assume that its a better scenario to have people holding back? Are you really afraid of real discussion that you need to complain about trivial issues such as real names? Thats not a real man. Thats insecurity at its finest.
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Hey, Rocket, I could write magazine articles but I prefer to argue with you guys. However, some guys here overstep decency and are really quite nasty. I try not to target people but ideas and beliefs. Well, I did post about Melvin using the name 'Vince' but if anyone couldn't see that was a spoof then so be it. I love to stir, too, but my idea of stirring doesn't involve namecalling and insults.
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Hey, Rocket, I could write magazine articles but I prefer to argue with you guys. However, some guys here overstep decency and are really quite nasty. I try not to target people but ideas and beliefs. Well, I did post about Melvin using the name 'Vince' but if anyone couldn't see that was a spoof then so be it. I love to stir, too, but my idea of stirring doesn't involve namecalling and insults.
I know you like it here Vince, I'm just suggesting that you concrete up your routine and never, ever mention the fact you dislike what people are saying to you. They're only saying it to you to get you to admit it and you're 100% playing into their hands by even thinking about their words.
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Fair enough, Rocket, but at times it does wear a bit thin. I mean, I have to throw a few morsels at the multitudes to keep them yapping at me. Keeps me on my toes! I love the challenge of Getbig. It is impossible to remain unstoned but at times it is sort of fun finding out more about some of you guys. I am still looking forward to the update photos of Venom Vince Versace!
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Fair enough, Rocket, but at times it does wear a bit thin. I mean, I have to throw a few morsels at the multitudes to keep them yapping at me. Keeps me on my toes! I love the challenge of Getbig. It is impossible to remain unstoned but at times it is sort of fun finding out more about some of you guys. I am still looking forward to the update photos of Venom Vince Versace!
What weirds me out is that its 1:30am where you are right now
(Its ok for me, I'm unemployed) :)
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It took me a while to figure out even the guys who bagged me were victims of severe ownings themselves! The trick is to put shit on the other guy before he can do it to you!
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You probably missed my post Vince, you are in Sydney aren't you? I'm in Brisbane and I've never heard of an older man being up this late :)
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You probably missed my post Vince, you are in Sydney aren't you? I'm in Brisbane and I've never heard of an older man being up this late :)
he probably needed to go to the bathroom
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When you get divorced and don't want to put up with mistresses you go online and surf the net. It passes the time. Rocket, come down to my gym for a workout. I doubt they have very good gyms up there. I haven't seen a good one yet in Queensland.
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When you get divorced and don't want to put up with mistresses you go online and surf the net. It passes the time. Rocket, come down to my gym for a workout. I doubt they have very good gyms up there. I haven't seen a good one yet in Queensland.
yeah Rocket, you'll get a mind blowing workout on those famous pink colored machines in Vince's gym and after the workout you can join all the other musclebears in the "sauna".
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So I read the article in FLEX on DoggCrapp training and it’s founder Dante and I was impressed. Seems like a very logical system and the guy (Dante) seems to know his stuff. So then I come on here and I find that Dante is kind of hypocritical jerk……insulting people for where the live, what they look like, how much the weigh, yet in the same breath telling everyone that GetBig needs to be cleaned up and what he would do if he bought it…
Totally blew the mystique of the whole thing for me after what I read in FLEX. Dante might know a thing or two, or maybe three about training, but the guy is nothing more than an Internet troll….No better than the Getbiggers he criticizes.
It seems like every industry person is a nut job. Maybe I expect too much from people….
Oh, by the way….that was my EPIC MELTDOWN! (save you the trouble…)
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hahahaha, did you see the pic of him in the brown shirt? his arms look all of 16 inches, monster not practicing what you preach.
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So I read the article in FLEX on DoggCrapp training and it’s founder Dante and I was impressed. Seems like a very logical system and the guy (Dante) seems to know his stuff. So then I come on here and I find that Dante is kind of hypocritical jerk……insulting people for where the live, what they look like, how much the weigh, yet in the same breath telling everyone that GetBig needs to be cleaned up and what he would do if he bought it…
Totally blew the mystique of the whole thing for me after what I read in FLEX. Dante might know a thing or two, or maybe three about training, but the guy is nothing more than an Internet troll….No better than the Getbiggers he criticizes.
It seems like every industry person is a nut job. Maybe I expect too much from people….
Oh, by the way….that was my EPIC MELTDOWN! (save you the trouble…)
dante can go f**k himself....... people have built muscle and will build muscle with or without his bullshit system....
...he needs to walk the walk instead of looking like 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag
>:(
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Hey, sarcasm, we got rid of saunas years ago when jerks like you pissed in the water bucket. Then next guys to use the sauna would pour some spiced water on the rocks and the gym would stink terribly. After that trick was perpetrated twice we removed the sauna forever and now have no sauna, spa, steam bath or suntan beds.
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Hey, sarcasm, we got rid of saunas years ago when jerks like you pissed in the water bucket. Then next guys to use the sauna would pour some spiced water on the rocks and the gym would stink terribly. After that trick was perpetrated twice we removed the sauna forever and now have no sauna, spa, steam bath or suntan beds.
SPAWNED.
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SPAWNED.
Vince, people seriously would intentionally cook urine in your gym? Why would you take that shit? Find out who the kids are and kick the hell out of them. Why remove the spa and hurt everyone?
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It took me a while to figure out even the guys who bagged me were victims of severe ownings themselves! The trick is to put shit on the other guy before he can do it to you!
This is a GB truism, Vince. Very dog eat dog sometimes. And it's the ones who sling the shit fastest and farther on the canvas (TA, Sarcasm, etc.) and who resort to 'homo-speak' who usually manage to gather a group of beta males to abet this. The cycle continues. You just gotta decide how you want to play the game -ie. how involved you want to become. Some people just get too personally wrapped up in it and flame out. Stay the course, Southern Man. :)
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he needs to eat the daddy waddy approved "champion chips" 182 grams of carbs and 300 grams of fat 120 saturated for some serious muscle
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You will soon and I am well aware of threats and how to take them who started with the big lips and ape shit not me some pussy turd eating waste of space a real getbig hero.Like so many here.STFU.
Listen you ugly little monkey. We're tired of your continuous meltdowns, so do us all a favor and shut the fuck up thick lips.
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You might just have caused him to commit suicide now !
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I respected him once, too. Until he started lowering himself to my level. ;D
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monster unhealthy kidneys from 600g protein diet.
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The Problem is this.
He really thinks that you are going to have to eat over 300 POUNDS of MEAT to gain 48 ounces of muscle.
That,my friends, is a an ineffecient energy equation.
Protein WILL NOT make Muscles bigger.
It is used for Cellular repair....Only small amounts are needed for that and to sustain.
SMALL AMOUNTS.
It is the LEAST important MacroNutrient. Funny how all Nutritonists agree on this,but a lot of you do not want to listen.
ANyways.
300 plus pounds of beef,chicken add up....Combine that with Protein supplements and you are looking at over 5 grand for,hopefully 48 ounces of muscle.
WHAT A FUCKING INEFFECIENT WASTE!!!!!
5000 dollars wasted, for the quest of 48 ounces of muscle. What a fucking moron.
This guy has no idea about human nutrition.
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Yes he's a big tool.
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Link: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/2/551S
Quote
The effect of Whey Protein Supplementation With and Without Creatine Monohydrate Combined With Resistance Training on Lean Tissue Mass and Muscle Strength International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, 2001, 11, 349-364
Link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11591884&dopt=Citation
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Adonis, what is different about your diet approach and the weight watchers point system? They seem to be the same.
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Adonis, what is different about your diet approach and the weight watchers point system? They seem to be the same.
We don`t have points.
We don`t try to get certain amounts of things in or use exchanges.
We have techniques to regulate fat loss,mantain a desired level of bodyfat or increase muscle mass.
The coolest thing about my apporach is that you can Keep 3 percent bodyfat infinitely once you get there. And this is done by eating any food you love.
Where ever you feel you look the best, whatever bodyfat you like to be, you can mantain infinitely.
I can tell you how, if you want help.
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We don`t have points.
We don`t try to get certain amounts of things in or use exchanges.
We have techniques to regulate fat loss,mantain a desired level of bodyfat or increase muscle mass.
The coolest thing about my apporach is that you can Keep 3 percent bodyfat infinitely once you get there. And this is done by eating any food you love.
Where ever you feel you look the best, whatever bodyfat you like to be, you can mantain infinitely.
I can tell you how, if you want help.
My bf is between 4 to 5%(year round). I am a STRONG believer in cardio and eating healthy. Thanks though. btw, who is we?
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My bf is between 4 to 5%(year round). I am a STRONG believer in cardio and eating healthy. Thanks though. btw, who is we?
You can become we if you want. :)
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You can become we if you want. :)
I don't agree with your principles though. No cardio? I run the fuck out of my students. Heart first, physical appearance second is my approach. Some pro bbers probably couldn't even run a 10 minute mile, not my idea of healthy.
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I don't agree with your principles though. No cardio? I run the f**k out of my students. Heart first, physical appearance second is my approach. Some pro bbers probably couldn't even run a 10 minute mile, not my idea of healthy.
Pro Bodybuilders can`t do much of anything functional.
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Its up to Ron - even if he doesnt sell it maybe he will realize that getbigs draw (was) the pros and top am's that used to post here
You're an idiot, Dante. The draw is not and never was the "pros". Although I have to say, you're not the first whiner to make this mistake. Since you incorrectly assume that the world revolves around IFBB pros, let me explain to you what the draw(s) here actually is:
The relative freedom of speech and lack of an agenda, commercial or otherwise, creates an environment where you're going to hear the unvarnished truth about a situation, for better or worse. As a result, industry insiders read this board (even if they don't post, or post anonymously), and because they're here, anything that is happening in the industry you're likely to hear about here first. Like it or not, this board is the source for inside "scoop".
Of course, this comes with a price... the relative lack of moderation that allows this free exchange of ideas in a "no bullshit" manner also gives rise to trolls and stupidity. Of course, this can and does increase the entertainment value of the board, which creates a secondary draw of its own. Realistically, there's no way to eliminate trolls without creating a chilling effect on the open environment that makes Getbig what it is. The problem is, "where do you draw the line", and invariably mods will take it too far and ruin the board, as happened on Mayhem.
The best thing to do is mod very little, and delete only the 1% most stupid stuff, while being careful not to go too far. If you have too thin of a skin to deal with what's left, then you really don't belong here, Dante.
Hope this helps.
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Pro Bodybuilders can`t do much of anything functional.
agreed.
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The best thing to do is mod very little, and delete only the 1% most stupid stuff, while being careful not to go too far. If you have too thin of a skin to deal with what's left, then you really don't belong here, Dante.
Hope this helps.
That 1% is mostly made up by Alexxx and Daddywaddy posts so it's not too hard to do.
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Dante and Milos both know a lot about training. Melvin and Adonis know very little. The rest stir the crap out of just about everyone either to piss them off or see them react. New putdowns recently, besides the gay tag, is that someone is too old to listen to. The best putdown was simply to refuse to read anything over 3 lines in a post.
I post here just to see if I can survive all the crap thrown at me. Very few people here have the capacity, experience or intelligence to seriously debate hypertrophy issues. Most people assume they know all about training so don't listen to anyone else. Assorted losers and misfits are assigned to various people to stir the crap out of them. If the target survives without overly reacting then they are okay.
I would prefer to see everyone post under their real names like some of us do. However that would take as much nerve and courage as actually entering a bodybuilding contest. There is something wonderful about this site but the freedom of expression is a price that is almost too high to pay.
You know nothing about me, Basile. I know my stuff and I get results for my customers and clients. Its just not with a Dante diet. I use common sense methods.
And just for your information, Adonis's theory on nutrition isn't the same as mine. I don't advise people to eat raw butter or McDonalds, or junk food. However the diets I put together are a balanced ratio of protein carbs and essential fats. The only relation is the theory " a calorie is a calorie" principle which me and Adonis share.
Your body has to be stimulated for it to grow but unless you are on steroids, it will not properly absorbs excessive amounts of either protein, carbs, or fats and it will either come out the ass or in most cases, be stored as fat.
A calorie is a calorie
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For what it's worth, I've never read or posted here b/c Pros post here. What kept (and I assume is keeping) Mayhem so dry was the heavy moderation. In addition to A LOT of shit talking ;D is some genuinely interesting witty posts...
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I have to agree
they is no bashing at Mayhem but there isn't a lot of pros who go there expect for self-promoting
mayhem is one giant ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
you can here the fucking crickets when you log on
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Dante...Bodybuilding friends and fans is a Forum on here that Ron talked about openly on the radio show...So any pro listening to the show know about Bodybuilding friends and fans(forum)...Take a good look at that forum...Its heavily moderated and guess what...Not to many pros over there are their?...
But come over to the gossip section and their are many pros that come and go talking about anything they want...And they know about trolls ect....
It looks like to me that the pros have spoken and they themselves would rather be part of the least moderatered forum and take the trolls as they are...How else could you explain it???
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Dante...Bodybuilding friends and fans is a Forum on here that Ron talked about openly on the radio show...So any pro listening to the show know about Bodybuilding friends and fans(forum)...Take a good look at that forum...Its heavily moderated and guess what...Not to many pro over there are their...
But come over to the gossip section and their are many pros that come and go talking about anything they want...And they know about trolls ect....
It looks like to me that the pros have spoken and they themselves would rather be part of the least moderatered forum and take the trolls as they are...How else could you explain it???
EXACTLY!!! How come Dante and the pros are more active in this section, rather than the "Bodybuilding friends and fans" section? It's simple, everyone LOVES the drama!
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You're an idiot, Dante. The draw is not and never was the "pros". Although I have to say, you're not the first whiner to make this mistake. Since you incorrectly assume that the world revolves around IFBB pros, let me explain to you what the draw(s) here actually is:
The relative freedom of speech and lack of an agenda, commercial or otherwise, creates an environment where you're to hear the unvarnished truth about a situation, for better or worse. As a result, industry insiders read this board (even if they don't post, or post anonymously), and because they're here, anything that is happening in the industry you're likely to hear about here first. Like it or not, this board is the source for inside "scoop".
Of course, this comes with a price... the relative lack of moderation that allows this free exchange of ideas in a "no bullshit" manner also gives rise to trolls and stupidity. Of course, this can and does increase the entertainment value of the board, which creates a secondary draw of its own. Realistically, there's no way to eliminate trolls without creating a chilling effect on the open environment that makes Getbig what it is. The problem is, "where do you draw the line", and invariably mods will take it too far and ruin the board, as happened on Mayhem.
The best thing to do is mod very little, and delete only the 1% most stupid stuff, while being careful not to go too far. If you have too thin of a skin to deal with what's left, then you really don't belong here, Dante.
Hope this helps.
wow. that says it all. well put.
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You guys are making my argument for me.....people come here to see if the pro's posted, not to see a bunch of guys who worship a 177lb guy from north carolina named true adonis
The pro's posts tend to be boring. TA, whether you love him or hate him he is interesting.
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TA has the long term memory of a scallop.
Or maybe a clam or a mussel?
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EXACTLY!!! How come Dante and the pros are more active in this section, rather than the "Bodybuilding friends and fans" section? It's simple, everyone LOVES the drama!
you got it and i would be my house that one or two trolls on here are in fact pro bodybuilders....
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Pro Bodybuilders can`t do much of anything functional.
Back in the old days they held jobs or aspired to own a gym or move on to better things.
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you got it and i would be my house that one or two trolls on here are in fact pro bodybuilders....
Yeah and another thing I find funny is hasn't Dante said he was leaving this place numerous times in the past? But he seems to know most of the characters on here as well as very specific things they posted in the past. He follows this place like a hawk.
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Back in the old days they held jobs or aspired to own a gym or move on to better things.
You're right... they all had jobs. Being a "pro bodybuilder" was just their weekend gig.
These days, most pro bodybuilders (even those making zero money from the sport) refuse to hold any job that requires effort or doesn't involve anal lube.
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You're right... they all had jobs. Being a "pro bodybuilder" was just their weekend gig.
These days, most pro bodybuilders (even those making zero money from the sport) refuse to hold any job that requires effort or doesn't involve anal lube.
Why hate on Bruce Patterson? ;D
YIP
Zack
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You're right... they all had jobs. Being a "pro bodybuilder" was just their weekend gig.
These days, most pro bodybuilders (even those making zero money from the sport) refuse to hold any job that requires effort or doesn't involve anal lube.
If you are a pro bodybuilder today it must look bad to your peers if you have to hold down some kind of a real job.
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The Problem is this.
He really thinks that you are going to have to eat over 300 POUNDS of MEAT to gain 48 ounces of muscle.
That,my friends, is a an ineffecient energy equation.
Protein WILL NOT make Muscles bigger.
It is used for Cellular repair....Only small amounts are needed for that and to sustain.
SMALL AMOUNTS.
It is the LEAST important MacroNutrient. Funny how all Nutritonists agree on this,but a lot of you do not want to listen.
ANyways.
300 plus pounds of beef,chicken add up....Combine that with Protein supplements and you are looking at over 5 grand for,hopefully 48 ounces of muscle.
WHAT A FUCKING INEFFECIENT WASTE!!!!!
5000 dollars wasted, for the quest of 48 ounces of muscle. What a fucking moron.
This guy has no idea about human nutrition.
As I don't have the time to read every post - I just have to ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS about this?
I mean about PROTEIN not making muscles bigger and being the LAST important macro nutrient?
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As I don't have the time to read every post - I just have to ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS about this?
I mean about PROTEIN not making muscles bigger and being the LAST important macro nutrient?
Its a scientific fact genius.
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As I don't have the time to read every post - I just have to ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS about this?
I mean about PROTEIN not making muscles bigger and being the LAST important macro nutrient?
Oh shit Milos, it is going to take more than smoke and mirrors to cover that blunder. In fact, its going to take some plain old fashioned backtracking.
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Its a scientific fact genius.
Nope. Protein and fat are essential. Carbs are not needed through the diet for survival.
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If you are a pro bodybuilder today it must look bad to your peers if you have to hold down some kind of a real job.
Ronnie held down a real job the first few years he was Mr O, and he, unlike most of his peers, didn't even need to.
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Its a scientific fact genius.
Why don't you do some tricep kickbacks?
Is it true what I hear? whenever you fart it smells like KY jelly?
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Nope. Protein and fat are essential. Carbs are not needed through the diet for survival.
Dumbass.
Rice is the only thing they give out in 3rd world countries.
Ethipoia alone is sustained on rice from the UN.
hahhahahhah
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Its a scientific fact genius.
Than you certainly have enough scientific documentation to back all your "scientific" (read Mickey Mouse) facts...
You can start - anytime...
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Than you certainly have enough scientific documentation to back all your "scientific" (read Mickey Mouse) facts...
You can start - anytime...
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 72, No. 2, 551S-557s, August 2000
© 2000 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
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Protein supplements and exercise1,2,3,4
Robert R Wolfe
1 From the Shriners Burns Institute, Metabolism Unit, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston.
2 Presented at the workshop Role of Dietary Supplements for Physically Active People, held in Bethesda, MD, June 3–4, 1996.
3 Supported by grant 38010 from the National Institutes of Health.
4 Address reprint requests to RR Wolfe, Shriners Burns Institute, Metabolism Unit, 815 Market Street, Galveston, TX 77550.
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Active persons ingest protein supplements primarily to promote muscle strength, function, and possibly size. Currently, it is not possible to form a consensus position regarding the benefit of protein or amino acid supplements in exercise training. Determination of whether supplements are beneficial has been hampered by the failure to select appropriate endpoints for evaluation of a positive effect. Furthermore, studies focused at a more basic level have failed to agree on the response of protein metabolism to exercise. An additional complication of dietary studies that is not often taken into account is amount of energy intake. Because of these and other complications, studies at the whole body level have not yielded a clear picture of the need for, or response to, dietary protein or amino acid supplements. Consequently, it is necessary to examine this issue at the tissue level. In untrained subjects, both muscle protein breakdown and synthesis are increased in response to exercise. Amino acid intake further stimulates muscle protein synthesis after exercise as a consequence of stimulating amino acid transport into the intramuscular compartment. The stimulatory effect of amino acids after exercise is greater than the effect of amino acids on muscle protein synthesis when given at rest. These data suggest that not only may the exact composition and amount of an amino acid supplement be important, but the timing of ingestion of the supplement in relation to the exercise must be considered in designing future studies to evaluate the efficacy of amino acid supplements.
Key Words: Nitrogen balance • amino acid transport • muscle protein synthesis • muscle protein breakdown • exercise • supplementation
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Physical performance depends on various muscle functions, including strength. Muscle protein synthesis and breakdown are central in determining both strength and overall function. Nonetheless, most research in the area of muscle function and exercise has focused on energy metabolism rather than the regulation of muscle protein metabolism. Basic questions remain unanswered regarding the mechanisms governing the response of muscle protein synthesis and breakdown to exercise, and the effect of exercise on protein requirements in humans is still controversial. Methodologic issues have limited the exploration of these and other issues regarding muscle protein kinetics because of the difficulty of quantifying muscle protein synthesis and breakdown in humans. In lieu of direct measurement of protein kinetics, the effect of protein intake on performance variables such as strength has been used to evaluate muscle metabolism. However, relying on a performance outcome that is potentially affected by several variables to assess the response to a particular perturbation (eg, protein intake) has numerous limitations. Consequently, whereas there appears to be no evidence that any particular protein supplement positively improves performance, this cannot be considered as proof that there is no supplement that might be useful. Therefore, this discussion provides a theoretical framework in which to assess the likelihood that protein or amino acid supplements might be useful for active persons.
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The reasons cited for using protein and amino acid supplements include stimulation and maintenance of muscle growth and strength, enhancement of energy utilization (eg, adding amino acids to a glucose supplement), and stimulation of the release of growth hormone. To evaluate the benefits of protein or amino acid supplements, one must consider many points. In an investigation of this issue by the Life Science Research Office (LSRO) of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology, many problems were reported (1). Investigators found that labeling of protein supplements is often inadequate. They found limited data that documented the extent to which protein supplements are used and little information on safety, most of which was gathered in rats. The report noted that amino acid supplements are generally used for pharmacologic reasons. Investigators were also concerned about potentially deleterious side effects of protein or amino acid supplements and, in particular, felt that infants, children, elderly individuals, and persons with chronic disorders might be more susceptible to such effects. No firm data regarding the occurrence of side effects were presented, but reference was made to the potential effects of excessive protein intake, such as dehydration secondary to high urea excretion, gout, liver and kidney damage, calcium loss, bloating, and diarrhea (1).
Whereas the LSRO report outlined certain useful considerations pertaining to the use of supplements, such as specific concerns regarding potential side effects, little information was given about the value of these supplements. Three endpoints that are used to assess the value of protein supplements on muscle mass and function might be considered. First is the use of performance as an endpoint, the difficulties of which have already been noted. The second approach is nitrogen balance, which is the most commonly used metabolic endpoint because nitrogen is the unique component of amino acids. The balance between the amount of nitrogen ingested and the amount excreted provides a direct index of the extent to which protein is either gained or lost over time in the body. The third approach is the direct quantification of muscle protein kinetics.
The difficulties in using performance as an endpoint notwithstanding, some consideration must be given to the nature of the physical activity when evaluating the benefit of a supplement. For example, a body builder and a distance runner are both interested in maximizing muscle strength, but the body builder wants to accomplish this goal by increasing muscle mass, whereas the distance runner aims for as low a mass of muscle as is functional. Clearly, performance endpoints are different for these 2 individuals. Although it may be impossible to address performance endpoints in a quantifiably reliable manner, it is nonetheless important to keep in mind the metabolic goal of the individual using the supplement.
Nitrogen balance has been the most commonly used endpoint to evaluate the utility of protein or amino acid supplements. Nevertheless, there are limitations in the interpretation of nitrogen balance. Apparent protein retention at high protein intakes can give falsely high estimates of protein requirements and can exaggerate the apparently beneficial effects of protein supplements (2). Furthermore, errors in measuring nitrogen loss in physically active persons are likely to be systematic rather than random underestimates. For example, the rate of nitrogen loss in sweat is generally assumed to be a constant value, but this value is likely to be higher in active individuals, particularly if they exercise in the heat. It is also possible that nitrogen is lost through the breath at a significant rate during heavy exercise, but the rate of ventilation is so high during exercise that the amount of nitrogen moving in and out of the lungs is so large that detection of any net secretion of nitrogen via breath is impossible. These problems make nitrogen balance difficult to interpret because each of these sources of error underestimates nitrogen loss if it is measured by traditional means. Furthermore, accurate analysis of the diet is often a problem, and many studies have not allowed adequate time for adaptation to the diet. Finally, variations in energy intake have a pronounced effect on nitrogen balance. Despite these potential problems, however, nitrogen balance has generally been considered to be the best yardstick for evaluating protein requirements, and several useful studies have been published that assess the effect of exercise on protein requirements.
Results of a study by Gontzea et al (3) showed that normal individuals who ate a diet containing a constant amount of nitrogen and who were in nitrogen balance in daily life went into negative nitrogen balance for almost 2 wk after starting an exercise program (Figure 1). However, after the initial 2-wk period, they could maintain nitrogen balance during training without increasing nitrogen intake. This study has been widely cited as evidence that physical activity increases protein requirements, and thus as support for the utility of protein supplements. However, an alternative interpretation of these data is possible. Because most physically active individuals have a rather consistent pattern of exercise, the stability of the nitrogen balance after the initial period of adaptation to exercise indicates that nitrogen balance can be maintained quite well without a change in protein intake in individuals who are chronically physically active.
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FIGURE 1. The effect on nitrogen balance of starting an excise program in individuals maintained on a constant nitrogen intake. From reference 3.
Meredith et al (4) used another approach to study the effect of exercise on nitrogen balance in both young and older persons who consumed 1 of 3 different protein intakes (Figure 2). For each individual, investigators connected the data points to determine where they crossed the zero balance line to determine the average protein requirement in exercising individuals. The average requirement was 0.94 g•kg-1•d-1, which was somewhat above the recommended dietary allowance (RDA) of 0.8 g•kg-1•d-1. Of course, if an individual is trying to increase lean body mass, the goal is not zero balance but to have nitrogen balance as high (positive) as possible. Thus, these data could also be used to support the contention that protein supplementation above the RDA can markedly improve nitrogen balance in exercising individuals, regardless of age.
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FIGURE 2. Nitrogen balance in individuals fed 3 different protein intakes. The requirement for nitrogen balance was determined for each individual by determining when the line connecting the points for each nitrogen intake crossed the zero-balance line. Young and middle-aged distance runners were studied. The estimated protein requirement for zero-balance was 0.94 g•kg-1•d-1. RDA, recommended dietary allowance. From reference 4.
The role of energy balance in determining nitrogen balance is of great importance in evaluating the effect of exercise, because exercise can certainly modify energy balance. The amount of energy that is sufficient to maintain nitrogen balance in the resting state is likely to be insufficient when energy expenditure increases with the onset of exercise. The importance of energy expenditure on nitrogen balance is shown in Figure 3. These data show that regardless of the amount of nitrogen intake, nitrogen balance improves as energy intake increases. Butterfield and Calloway (6) also reported these findings in exercising individuals. In this complex study, subjects were given varying energy and protein intakes. The results clearly indicated that energy balance may be equally or more important than nitrogen intake as a determinant of nitrogen balance.
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FIGURE 3. Effect of energy intake on nitrogen balance. Each line represents a different protein intake, ranging from 0 protein intake () to 15 g N/d (•). The half-filled circles and x's refer to intermediate protein intakes. To convert kcal to kJ, multiply by 4.184. From reference 5.
Even if nitrogen balance measurements can be accepted as precisely accurate, nitrogen balance data are still limiting because they are an indirect assessment of the reason people take protein supplements, which is to increase their muscle strength and size. The metabolic basis for increased muscle strength and size is the stimulation of muscle protein synthesis to a rate greater than that of muscle protein breakdown. The remainder of this discussion thus focuses on the regulation of muscle protein synthesis and breakdown. Amino acid transmembrane transport between the blood and the intramuscular compartment is also discussed because of the importance of this process in relation to synthesis and breakdown.
Transport of amino acids into the cell against a concentration gradient is necessary for ingested amino acids to be ultimately incorporated into protein. Intracellular amino acids that are released as a consequence of protein breakdown and are not directly reincorporated into protein, or oxidized, are transported into blood. Thus, the processes of inward and outward amino acid transport are direct links between protein ingestion and muscle protein synthesis and breakdown. The results that follow were all obtained in human subjects with use of a stable-isotope-tracer method described fundamentally by Biolo et al (7).
In Figure 4 are shown the changes that occurred in muscle protein synthesis and breakdown in 5 untrained male subjects ( ± SEM age: 24 ± 2 y) as a consequence of a resistance (weightlifting) workout (8). These data were collected as part of a study in our laboratory of persons in the fasting state. These data indicated that even in the absence of recent nutritional intake, muscle protein synthesis is stimulated by exercise. We had earlier observed the same response during and after the time subjects walked on a treadmill for 4 h at 40% of maximal oxygen uptake (O2max) (9). Clearly, exercise has a direct stimulatory effect on the rate of muscle protein synthesis. However, the rate of muscle protein breakdown is also increased as a consequence of exercise, thereby blunting the extent to which net balance between synthesis and breakdown is improved (Figure 4).
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FIGURE 4. Effect of resistance exercise on (A) muscle protein synthesis (Fom) and (B) muscle protein breakdown in untrained, fasted subjects. Phe, phenylalanine. Adapted from reference 8.
The link between synthesis and breakdown is shown in data from the same earlier study that examined weightlifting in untrained, fasting individuals (8) (Figure 5). In the absence of nutritional intake, the amino acids needed to produce muscle protein at an increased rate after exercise are largely derived from protein breakdown. Thus, although there is a significant improvement in net muscle protein synthesis after exercise, protein balance is still slightly negative. In fact, net balance will always be negative if only amino acids from breakdown are used as precursors for synthesis, because some of the amino acids from protein breakdown will be oxidized and thus unavailable for incorporation into new protein. Food intake is required to cause a positive protein balance in muscle.
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FIGURE 5. Relation between muscle protein breakdown and protein synthesis. Data are pooled from both resting state and recovery after exercise.
Food intake can stimulate muscle protein synthesis secondary to an increased insulin release, because insulin can directly stimulate muscle protein synthesis and, to at least some extent, decrease protein breakdown (10). As mentioned previously, an improvement in energy balance may also have an effect on net muscle protein balance (6). However, the primary way in which one would expect food intake to stimulate muscle protein synthesis is an increased delivery of amino acids to the muscle. The strong relation between amino acid inflow to the leg (arterial concentration x blood flow) and leg muscle protein synthesis under a variety of conditions is shown in Figure 6. The example shown is for phenylalanine and applies when the changes in phenylalanine concentration correspond roughly to changes in the concentrations of other essential amino acids. The relation shown for phenylalanine is representative of other essential amino acids that have been measured (leucine and lysine) (7). The increased inflow causes a stimulation of the inward transport of amino acids. The relative contribution of inward transport to the total intracellular rate of appearance of essential amino acids ranges from 25% for lysine to almost 75% for phenylalanine in the fasted state, and the balance of intracellular essential amino acids comes from protein breakdown. Nonessential amino acids, such as glutamine and alanine, are derived largely from de novo synthesis in muscle; transport and breakdown are less important routes of appearance. In the fed state, the relative contribution of the blood-borne amino acids to the intramuscular pool increases.
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FIGURE 6. Relation between phenylalanine delivery (Phe Fin) and protein synthesis (Fom). The higher values of delivery occurred during an infusion of a balanced amino acid solution.
When both sources of essential amino acids in the intracellular compartment are taken together, a close relation exists between the total intracellular rate of appearance of essential amino acids and muscle protein synthesis. This can be seen from the example of phenylalanine in Figure 7. This close relation suggests that the intracellular availability of amino acids may be a factor that dictates the rate of muscle protein synthesis and therefore provides both a rationale and a mechanism of action for a potential beneficial effect of protein supplements.
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FIGURE 7. Relation between total intramuscular rate of appearance of phenylalanine (Ram) and protein synthesis (Fom). Changes in phenylalanine concentration were caused by the infusion of a balanced amino acid solution. The same relation between Ram and synthesis applies for other essential amino acids, provided that the change in concentration of the amino acid occurs in the context of comparable changes in concentration of all amino acids.
The relation shown in Figure 7 for phenylalanine depends on an availability of amino acids in the intracellular pool that corresponds to the proportional requirement for specific amino acids to be incorporated into muscle protein. In this case, the relation between total intracellular appearance and protein synthesis shown in Figure 7 for phenylalanine also applies to the other essential amino acids. When amino acids or protein are ingested, the extent of increase in the intracellular concentration of each amino acid depends not only on its relative concentration in the blood entering the muscle but also on the individual transport kinetics. Furthermore, the clearance of individual amino acids from the splanchnic bed may cause the pattern of amino acids entering the general circulation via the hepatic vein to differ from the pattern of amino acids in the ingested protein. Dietary protein will thus probably cause a pattern of increase in the intramuscular amino acid pool that differs substantially from the composition of the ingested protein. It is therefore difficult to consider the global issue of "protein requirements" of exercise, because the composition of ingested protein will have a significant effect on the extent to which the intramuscular pool of individual amino acids is increased.
The infusion of amino acids also causes an increase in the inward transport of amino acids (Figure 8). Interestingly, the same intravenous infusion of a balanced mixture of amino acids causes a greater rate of inward transport after exercise. The relation between inward transport and synthesis suggested in Figure 6 holds in this case, because the greater rate of inward transport of amino acids after exercise is related to a significantly greater stimulation of muscle protein synthesis than when the amino acids are infused at rest (Figure 9). This interaction among exercise, amino acid transport, and muscle protein synthesis has significance regarding the timing of ingestion of a protein supplement. On the basis of the aforementioned results, a protein supplement taken immediately after exercise would be anticipated to have a greater effect on muscle protein synthesis than if it were ingested at some later time. Our data indicate that muscle is more efficient at utilizing a given amount of amino acid after resistance exercise. Therefore, if the goal is to maintain a constant muscle mass, it would be predicted that the protein requirements after resistance exercise would actually be decreased. This notion is consistent with the conclusion of Butterfield (11) that exercise enhances the efficiency of protein utilization. Moreover, if the goal is to amplify the anabolic response to exercise, our results indicate that a protein supplement, particularly if taken shortly after exercise, will further increase inward transport and thus synthesis. This point is illustrated in Figure 9, in which the net rate of muscle protein synthesis at rest and after resistance exercise is shown. The infusion of a balanced amino acid mixture after exercise causes a large increase in net protein synthesis. Not only might a higher rate of amino acid administration be anticipated to further stimulate synthesis, but also the mixture of amino acids might be improved to enhance synthesis.
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FIGURE 8. Effect of the infusion of a balanced mixture of amino acids (AA) on the inward transport of leucine (Fma). The infusion was done either at rest or in the first 3 h of recovery from a resistance workout (Ex). Leu, leucine.
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FIGURE 9. Effect of the infusion of a balanced mixture of amino acids (AA) on net muscle protein synthesis at rest and after resistance exercise (Ex).
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The first step in determining the potential benefit of protein supplementation of the diet for subjects involved in strenuous exercise is to define the goal of supplementation. For example, an endurance athlete may look to a supplement that will speed recovery from workouts without adding muscle mass, whereas a power-lifter will seek a supplement specifically to increase muscle mass and power. The components, and amounts of each component, that would optimally achieve the desired goal should then be predicted on the basis of results from metabolic studies in which the responses of muscle protein synthesis and breakdown are quantified. Factors yet to be determined are the optimal composition of a supplement (eg, type of protein, composition of amino acid mixture, nature of nonprotein energy), the optimal timing of ingestion in relation to exercise, and the amount of protein or amino acids per serving. When a theoretically optimal supplement is designed, then a long-term (eg, 6-mo) outcome study should be performed in which pertinent outcome variables (eg, muscle strength) are measured. Outcome studies should include both individuals who are habitual exercisers and untrained individuals who start training as part of the study. Only when an optimal supplement is evaluated under controlled conditions (ie, comparable levels of exercise intensity, training duration, and other nutritional intake) can the question of protein requirements during exercise be definitively answered.
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However, some experimental data suggest that exercise may actually decrease the protein requirements necessary to maintain balance. Nevertheless, it can be speculated that a protein supplement should be useful to stimulate net muscle protein synthesis, particularly if the supplement has the optimal proportion of individual amino acids. However, experiments have yet to be performed that document such a beneficial effect of protein supplements.
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Here's a little something I thought might be of interest to all of the people flushing their hard earned
money down the toilets on these 600 grams of protein per day diets. Save your money people.
MYTH: Protein supplements increase strength.
FACT: Protein is needed to build, maintain and repair muscle tissue. Protein is not stored in the body; it must be supplied daily. And most active people need more protein in their diets than sedentary people do. In particular, twice the usual protein requirement might help athletes who are trying to build muscle mass or those who often put stress on their muscles and sustain frequent minor injuries, including microscopic tears.
But - and this is a big but - the typical athlete already consumes at least twice the recommended amount of protein each day, nutrition surveys have shown. Excess dietary protein is stored as fat, not muscle. Various studies have shown that protein supplements have no discernible value to an athlete who eats ordinary foods.
In fact, too much protein can impair athletic performance because it is dehydrating, it can set off an attack of gout and it places an undue burden on the kidneys and liver, according to a position paper prepared by the American Dietetic Association.
Only exercise, not extra dietary protein, can increase muscle strength and size. A couch potato who lives on pure protein will still be flabby.
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Protein Overload
Muscle, vitality, strength, power, energy, vigor, aggressiveness, and liveliness are words that come to mind when people think of the benefits of protein in their diet. The truth is quite the opposite. Bone loss, osteoporisis, kidney damage, kidney stones, immune dysfunction, arthritis, cancer promotion, low-energy, and overall poor health are the real consequences from overemphasizing protein. Protein serves as raw material to build tissues. Without sufficient protein from your diet, your body would be in trouble – but, aside from starvation, this never happens. Yes, a little protein is good, but more is not better. Protein consumed beyond our needs is a health hazard as devastating as excess dietary fat and cholesterol. Unfortunately, almost everyone on the typical Western diet is overburdened with protein to the point of physical collapse. The public has almost no awareness of problems of protein overload, but scientists have known about the damaging effects of excess protein for more than a century.
In his book, Physiology Economy in Nutrition, Russell Henry Chittenden, former President of the American Physiological Society (APS) and Professor of Physiological Chemistry at Yale, wrote in 1905, “Proteid (protein) decomposition products are a constant menace to the well-being of the body; any quantity of proteid or albuminous food beyond the real requirements of the body may prove distinctly injurious…Further, it requires no imagination to understand the constant strain upon the liver and kidneys, to say nothing of the possible influence upon the central and peripheral parts of the nervous system, by these nitrogenous waste products which the body ordinarily gets rid of as speedily as possible.”1
What are Your Construction (Protein) Needs?
Protein from your diet is required to build new cells, synthesize hormones, and repair damaged and worn out tissues. So how much do you need?
The protein lost from the body each day from shedding skin, sloughing intestine, and other miscellaneous losses is about 3 grams per day (0.05 grams/Kg).3 Add to this loss other physiological requirements, such as growth and repairs. The final tally, based on solid scientific research, is: your total daily need for protein is about 20 to 30 grams.4,5 Plant proteins easily meet these needs.6
So what are people consuming? Those living in many rural Asian societies consume about 40 to 60 grams from their diet of starch (mostly rice) with vegetables.6 On the Western diet, typical food choices centered around meat and dairy products, “a well-balanced diet,” provides about 100 to 160 grams of protein a day. A traditional Eskimo, eating marine animals, or someone on the Atkins diet, from various kinds of meat and dairy, might be consuming 200 to 400 grams a day.7 Notice that there can be a 10-fold (1000%) difference from our basic requirements and the amount some people consume. The resilience of the human body allows for survival under conditions of incredible over-consumption.
Once the body’s needs are met, then the excess must be removed. The liver converts the excess protein into urea and other nitrogen-containing breakdown products, which are finally eliminated through the kidneys as part of the urine.
Excess Protein Burdens the Kidneys and Liver
Processing all that excess dietary protein – as much as 300 grams (10 ounces) a day –causes wear and tear on the kidneys; and as a result, on average, 25% of kidney function is lost over a lifetime (70 years) from consuming the Western diet.8,9 Fortunately, the kidneys are built with large reserve capacity and the effects of losing one-quarter of kidney function are of no consequence for otherwise healthy people. However, people who have already lost kidney function for other reasons – from an accident, donation of a kidney, infection, diabetes, and hypertension – may suffer life-threatening consequences from a diet no higher in protein than the average American consumes.10,11
The time-honored fundamental treatment for people with failing kidneys is a low-protein diet. End-stage kidney failure, requiring dialysis, can usually be postponed or avoided by patients fortunate enough to learn about the benefits of a low-protein diet.10-13
People suffering with liver failure are also placed on diets low in protein as fundamental therapy – short of a liver transplant, this is the most important therapy they will receive. During the end stages of liver failure, patients will often fall into a coma from the build-up of protein breakdown products (hepatic coma). A change to a cost-free, very low-protein diet can cause these dying people to awaken. Well planned, plant-food based diets are particularly effective with both kidney and liver disease.14,15
Excess Protein Damages the Bones = Osteoporosis
Worldwide, rates of hip fractures (and kidney stones) increase with increasing animal protein consumption (including dairy products). For example, people from the USA, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia, and New Zealand have the highest rates of osteoporosis. 15,16 The lowest rates are among people who eat the fewest animal-derived foods (these people are also on lower calcium diets) – like the people from rural Asia and rural Africa.15,16
Osteoporosis is caused by several controllable factors; however, the most important one is the foods we choose – especially the amount of animal protein and the foods high in acid.17-19 The high acid foods are meat, poultry, fish, seafood, and hard cheeses – parmesan cheese is the most acidic of all foods commonly consumed.20 This acid must be neutralized by the body.21 Carbonate, citrate and sodium are alkaline materials released from the bones to neutralize the acids. Fruits and vegetables are alkaline and as a result a diet high in these plant foods will neutralize acid and preserve bones. The acidic condition of the body caused by the Western diet also raises cortisol (steroid) levels. 22 Elevated cortisol causes severe chronic bone loss – just like giving steroid medication for arthritis causes severe osteoporosis.
Consequence Two: Kidney Stones
Once materials are released from the solid bone, the calcium and other bone substances move through the blood stream to the kidneys where they are eliminated in the urine. In an effort to remove the overabundance of waste protein, the flow of blood through the kidneys (glomerular filtration rate) increases – the result: calcium is filtered out of the body. Naturally, the kidneys attempt to return much of this filtered calcium back to the body; unfortunately, the acid and sulfur-containing amino acids from the animal foods thwart the body’s attempts to conserve calcium. The final result is each 10 grams of dietary protein in excess of our needs (30 grams daily) increases daily urinary calcium loss by 16 mg. Another way of looking at the effects is: doubling protein intake from our diet increases the loss of calcium in our urine by 50%.25 Plant proteins (plant food-bases) do not have these calcium and bone losing effects under normal living conditions.
Once this bone material arrives in the collecting systems of the kidney it easily precipitates into sold formations known as kidney stones.27 Over 90% of kidney stones found in people following a high-protein, Western diet are formed primarily of bone-derived calcium. Following a healthy diet is the best way to prevent kidney stones.28
Toxic Sulfur Distinguishes Animal Foods
The qualities of the proteins we consume are as important as the quantities. One very important distinction between animal and plant-derived protein is that animal proteins contain very large amounts of the basic element sulfur. This sulfur is found as two of the twenty primary amino acids, methionine and cysteine. Derived from these two primary sulfur-containing amino acids are several other sulfur-containing amino acids – these are keto-methionine, cystine, homocysteine, cystathionine, taurine, cysteic acid.
Methionine
Valine
The yellow sphere represents the element sulfur.
Even though sulfur-containing amino acids are essential for our survival, an excess of these amino acids beyond our needs places a critical burden upon our body and detracts from our health in six important ways:
1) Amino acids, as the name implies are acids; the sulfur-containing amino acids are the strongest acids of all, they breakdown into powerful sulfuric acid. Excess acid, as discussed above, is a primary cause of bone loss leading to osteoporosis and kidney stone formation.29
2) Methionine is metabolized into homocysteine – animal foods are the major source of the amino acid, homocysteine, in people – the more meat in the diet, the higher a person’s blood level of homocysteine. A diet high in fruits and vegetables lowers the levels of this amino acid. Epidemiological and clinical studies have proven homocysteine to be an independent risk factor for heart attacks, strokes, closure of the arteries to the legs (peripheral vascular disease), blood clots in the legs (venous thrombosis), thinking problems (cognitive impairment), and even worse mental troubles, like dementia, Alzheimer's disease, and depression.30
3) Sulfur feeds cancerous tumors. Cancer cell metabolism is dependent upon methionine being in the diet; whereas, normal cells can grow on a methionine-free diet (feeding off of other sulfur-containing amino acids). This methionine-dependency has been demonstrated for breast, lung, colon, kidney, melanoma, and brain cancers.31,32 Increasing methionine in the diet of animals promotes the growth of cancer.33
There is also evidence of cancer promoting effects of methionine mediated through a powerful growth stimulating hormone, called insulin-like growth factor - 1 (IGF-1).34 Meat and dairy products raise IGF-1 levels and promote the growth of cancers of the breast, colon, prostate, and lung.35
4) Sulfur from sulfur-containing amino acids is known to be toxic to the tissues of the intestine, and to have deleterious effects on the human colon, even at low levels.36 The consequence of a diet of high-methionine (animal) foods may be a life-threatening inflammatory bowel disease, called ulcerative colitis.37-38
5) Sulfur restriction prolongs life.39 Almost seventy years ago, restricting food consumption was found to prolong the life of animals by changing the fundamental rate at which aging occurs.40 Restriction of methionine in the diet has also been shown to prolong the life of experimental animals. By no coincidence, a diet based on plant foods is inherently low in both calories and methionine – thus the easiest and most effective means to a long and healthy life.
6) Possibly a stronger motivation to keep protein, and especially methionine-rich animal protein, out of your diet is foul smelling odors – halitosis, body odor, and noxious flatus – akin to the smell of rotten eggs – are direct results of the sulfur (animal protein) you eat.41,42
Do Not Waste Your Health Away
Animal foods, full of protein waste, promote poor health and early death by accelerating the aging process and increasing the risk of diseases, like heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, that in their own right, cause premature death. From now on, think of the excess protein you consume as garbage that must be disposed of in order to avoid toxic waste accumulation. Obviously, the best action is to avoid the excess in the first place and this is most easily accomplished by choosing a diet based on starches, vegetables, and fruits. Within a few days of changing to a healthy diet, most of the waste will be gone and the damaged tissues will begin healing.
Unfortunately, you will find little support for such an obvious, inexpensive, and scientifically-supported approach – especially when the common masses of people worldwide are ignorant of the truth – most are gobbling down as much protein as they can stuff in their mouths – and the food industry is supporting this behavior by advertising their products as “high-protein” and "Atkins-approved" – as if this was somehow good for the body. This paradox is age-old, and because it is ruled by emotions, rather than clear thinking, a change in mind-set in your lifetime, should not be expected.
Two thousand years ago, in this Bible passage, Paul asked for tolerance between meat eaters and vegetarians (Romans 14:1-2). “One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does...” Do not wait for a consensus before you take action.
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6) Millward DJ. The nutritional value of plant-based diets in relation to human amino acid and protein requirements. Proc Nutr Soc. 1999 May;58(2):249-60.
7) Mazess RB. Bone mineral content of North Alaskan Eskimos. Am J Clin Nutr. 1974 Sep; 27(9): 916-25.
8) Brenner BM. Dietary protein intake and the progressive nature of kidney disease: the role of hemodynamically mediated glomerular injury in the pathogenesis of progressive glomerular sclerosis in aging, renal ablation, and intrinsic renal disease. N Engl J Med. 1982 Sep 9; 307(11): 652-9.
9) Meyer TW. Dietary protein intake and progressive glomerular sclerosis: the role of capillary hypertension and hyperperfusion in the progression of renal disease. Ann Intern Med. 1983 May; 98(5 Pt 2): 832-8.
10) Hansen HP. Effect of dietary protein restriction on prognosis in patients with diabetic nephropathy. Kidney Int. 2002 Jul; 62(1): 220-8.
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14) Bianchi GP. Vegetable versus animal protein diet in cirrhotic patients with chronic encephalopathy. A randomized cross-over comparison. J Intern Med. 1993 May; 233(5): 385-92.
15) Abelow B. Cross-cultural association between dietary animal protein and hip fracture: a hypothesis. Calcific Tissue Int 50:14-8, 1992.
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19) Frassetto L. Diet, evolution and aging--the pathophysiologic effects of the post-agricultural inversion of the potassium-to-sodium and base-to-chloride ratios in the human diet. Eur J Nutr. 2001 Oct;40(5):200-13.
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Here's a little something I thought might be of interest to all of the people flushing their hard earned
money down the toilets on these 600 grams of protein per day diets. Save your money people.
MYTH: Protein supplements increase strength.
FACT: Protein is needed to build, maintain and repair muscle tissue. Protein is not stored in the body; it must be supplied daily. And most active people need more protein in their diets than sedentary people do. In particular, twice the usual protein requirement might help athletes who are trying to build muscle mass or those who often put stress on their muscles and sustain frequent minor injuries, including microscopic tears.
But - and this is a big but - the typical athlete already consumes at least twice the recommended amount of protein each day, nutrition surveys have shown. Excess dietary protein is stored as fat, not muscle. Various studies have shown that protein supplements have no discernible value to an athlete who eats ordinary foods.
In fact, too much protein can impair athletic performance because it is dehydrating, it can set off an attack of gout and it places an undue burden on the kidneys and liver, according to a position paper prepared by the American Dietetic Association.
Only exercise, not extra dietary protein, can increase muscle strength and size. A couch potato who lives on pure protein will still be flabby.
EXACTLY!!!!
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In the absence of nutritional intake, the amino acids needed to produce muscle protein at an increased rate after exercise are largely derived from protein breakdown.
Thus, although there is a significant improvement in net muscle protein synthesis after exercise, protein balance is still slightly negative.
In fact, net balance will always be negative if only amino acids from breakdown are used as precursors for synthesis, because some of the amino acids from protein breakdown will be oxidized and thus unavailable for incorporation into new protein.
Food intake is required to cause a positive protein balance in muscle.
This actually seems argue FOR protein supplementation?
YIP
Zack
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I love owning these "Mickey Mouse" gurus who really have no clue.
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The True Adonis - do you read (and more importantly: understand English?)...
Read your scientific facts again... ::)
By the way - which color is a grass?
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58% by weight of the protein we eat converts to glucose, and if the body doesn't need that glucose for energy, it can and does convert it to body fat.
What this means is that of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. We are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein, depending on the kind of meat. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. The fact is that, on average, 58% of all protein converts to sugar, and is therefore the major source of what we in the low carb world call hidden carbs.
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I love owning these "Mickey Mouse" gurus who really have no clue.
Owning a very stinky load is about all you own...and for the sake of the human kind - don't be releasing it here on this board...
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58% by weight of the protein we eat converts to glucose, and if the body doesn't need that glucose for energy, it can and does convert it to body fat.
What this means is that of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58 grams of it becomes sugar. We are talking about the weight of the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food. A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about 20 or 25 grams of protein, depending on the kind of meat. The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual carbohydrates, not 58 grams. The fact is that, on average, 58% of all protein converts to sugar, and is therefore the major source of what we in the low carb world call hidden carbs.
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Dr Beth is selling property on Mars...are you interested?
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58% by weight of the protein we eat converts to glucose
So what?
100% of the carbs we eat convert to sugar. ::)
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Dumbass.
Rice is the only thing they give out in 3rd world countries.
Ethipoia alone is sustained on rice from the UN.
hahhahahhah
you are the dumbass. Proteine and fat ARE essential nutritions.
Carbs = energy
you can live without carbs but you cant live without nutritions(protein, fat, vitamin, minerals).
They give them rice because its cheap proteines aswell as carbs for energy.
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Protein Requirements for Athletes
MEETING YOUR MEAT NEEDS
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One of the most commonly asked questions by athletes is ,"how much protein do I need to eat for peak performance?" There is so much information, misinformation, fad diets and nutrition "quackery" available, it is hard to know what to believe. If you go to a health food/vitamin store, a vitamin "expert" (i.e. untrained, non-licensed sales clerk) will convince you to purchase hundreds of dollars of protein powders and protein supplements. These powders and supplements merely amount to very expensive urine. If you ask elite gymnasts, ballet dancers or runners, they will typically cringe at the thought of meat and advise you to eat as little as possible. There has to be a happy "meat"ium (sorry, I couldn't resist).
Protein is used for building and repairing muscle and tissues, red blood cells, hair and finger nails and for synthesizing hormones. Protein is necessary for reducing the risk of iron deficiency anemia and to improve healing. Excess protein does NOT build muscle bulk and strength exercise does. Think about it this way: Tom wants to make his upper body bigger and increase his upper body strength (to impress the women, of course). He goes to the local health food store where he is told to increase his protein intake by eating protein shakes at each meal. He then goes to his sports med doctor and sports dietitian who tell him to eat a moderate amount of protein and swim three times a week plus do upper body weights three times a week. Which do you think will work?
So how much protein do athletes need? To figure out your needs, simply multiply your weight in pounds by one of the following:
Sedentary adult 0.4
Active adult 0.4-0.6
Growing athlete 0.6-0.9
Adult building muscle mass 0.6-0.9
taken from Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook
For a 150 pound male triathlete I would recommend 0.6 for a total of 90 grams of protein per day. For a 115 pound female high school track runner I would recommend 0.7 for a total of 80.5 grams of protein per day.
It's easy to get your protein requirements because protein is found in most foods:
Meat, poultry and fish 7 grams per ounce *
Beans, dried peas, lentils 7 grams per 1/2 cup cooked
One large egg 7 grams
Milk 8 grams per cup
Bread 4 grams per slice
Cereal 4 grams per 1/2 cup
Vegetables 2 grams per 1/2 cup
*One ounce of meat = 1 slice of deli meat. Three ounces of meat is approximately the size of a deck of cards or the palm of a woman's hand.
If you crave protein, are injured or sick, or think you need more protein than what's recommended, increase your intake of beans and rice, lean beef, milk, and yogurt. It's a much healthier (and cheaper) way to get extra protein. You can meet your protein needs - it's just a matter of figuring out your individual needs and tailoring your diet as such. Good Luck!
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you are the dumbass. Proteine and fat ARE essential nutritions.
Carbs = energy
you can live without carbs but you cant live without nutritions(protein, fat, vitamin, minerals).
They give them rice because its cheap proteines aswell as carbs for energy.
all macronutrients are energy. Are you saying you couldn't live on rice alone? lol
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you are the dumbass. Proteine and fat ARE essential nutritions.
Carbs = energy
you can live without carbs but you cant live without nutritions(protein, fat, vitamin, minerals).
They give them rice because its cheap proteines aswell as carbs for energy.
hahhah you can live ingesting any kind of calories as long as you have water.
You are an idiot.
Not saying you would be very healthy,but that shows you that one macro is NOT ESSENTIAL over the other. You won`t die of starvation if you ate 3000 calories of carbs and 0 protein and 0 fat. hahhahah
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Food intake can stimulate muscle protein synthesis secondary to an increased insulin release, because insulin can directly stimulate muscle protein synthesis and, to at least some extent, decrease protein breakdown (10). As mentioned previously, an improvement in energy balance may also have an effect on net muscle protein balance (6). However, the primary way in which one would expect food intake to stimulate muscle protein synthesis is an increased delivery of amino acids to the muscle. The strong relation between amino acid inflow to the leg (arterial concentration x blood flow) and leg muscle protein synthesis under a variety of conditions is shown in Figure 6.
This seems to actually argue Dante's point of view?
Protein feeding is more important than energy balance for protein synthesis.
Dietary protein will thus probably cause a pattern of increase in the intramuscular amino acid pool that differs substantially from the composition of the ingested protein. It is therefore difficult to consider the global issue of "protein requirements" of exercise, because the composition of ingested protein will have a significant effect on the extent to which the intramuscular pool of individual amino acids is increased.
The infusion of amino acids also causes an increase in the inward transport of amino acids (Figure 8). Interestingly, the same intravenous infusion of a balanced mixture of amino acids causes a greater rate of inward transport after exercise. The relation between inward transport and synthesis suggested in Figure 6 holds in this case, because the greater rate of inward transport of amino acids after exercise is related to a significantly greater stimulation of muscle protein synthesis than when the amino acids are infused at rest (Figure 9). This interaction among exercise, amino acid transport, and muscle protein synthesis has significance regarding the timing of ingestion of a protein supplement. On the basis of the aforementioned results, a protein supplement taken immediately after exercise would be anticipated to have a greater effect on muscle protein synthesis than if it were ingested at some later time. Our data indicate that muscle is more efficient at utilizing a given amount of amino acid after resistance exercise. Therefore, if the goal is to maintain a constant muscle mass, it would be predicted that the protein requirements after resistance exercise would actually be decreased. This notion is consistent with the conclusion of Butterfield (11) that exercise enhances the efficiency of protein utilization.
Moreover, if the goal is to amplify the anabolic response to exercise, our results indicate that a protein supplement, particularly if taken shortly after exercise, will further increase inward transport and thus synthesis. This point is illustrated in Figure 9, in which the net rate of muscle protein synthesis at rest and after resistance exercise is shown. The infusion of a balanced amino acid mixture after exercise causes a large increase in net protein synthesis. Not only might a higher rate of amino acid administration be anticipated to further stimulate synthesis, but also the mixture of amino acids might be improved to enhance synthesis.
Good scientific article.
I got one question:
Why are you posting an article which is directly opposing your arguments against protein supplementations?
YIP
Zack
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hahhah you can live without ingesting any calories as long as you have water.
Why don't you try that? ;D
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Yes Adonis! prisoners who were fed bread were like "help! give me a protein shake and flax seed oil before I die"
hahaha yes!
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This seems to actually argue Dante's point of view?
Good scientific article.
I got one question:
Why are you posting an article which is directly opposing your arguments against protein supplementations?
YIP
Zack
Read the entire article.
It says none of it is FACT.
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hahhah you can live ingesting any kind of calories as long as you have water.
You are an idiot.
Not saying you would be very healthy,but that shows you that one macro is NOT ESSENTIAL over the other. You won`t die of starvation if you ate 3000 calories of carbs and 0 protein and 0 fat. hahhahah
yes you will die by doing that over a long time.
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Why don't you try that? ;D
Why did you change it to without?
hahhahhah dumbass
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hahhah you will live long enough, a few years I imagine until you get some kind of disease. hahahhah
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It absolutely amazing to me Adonis, Bast et all that you are overlooking the simple fact of thermogenisis via protein
"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
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I have always believed that it needs to be demonstrated in a lab how much protein is required for building muscle. My feeling is you need about 1 gram of protein for every 2 pounds of bodyweight. How much protein we need is not a matter of belief but of research. The problem we have settling this question is finding research done on advanced bodybuilders. I will admit that most companies, magazines and individuals who sell protein supplements always exaggerate how much protein you need. The same goes for vitamins, etc. I refused to sell any supplements in my gym for over 20 years. My partner convinced me that bodybuilders were buying supplements down the road so to speak so we eventually provided them as well. I never recommend extra protein but I do recommend extra calories for most young guys who are growing very slowly.
Melvin doesn't know much about nutrition. For example, I don't believe there is anything called junk food. Either a substance is a food or it is junk. It cannot be both. What people eat can be referred to as a junk diet because they lack nutrients and balance. For example, if someone ate only potato fries and nothing else they would get sick. If you trained and ate only at McDonalds you would be fine. That movie "SuperSize Me" was a scam. At least he got McDonalds to offer tastier food and change the way they marketed food.
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You will eventually come around when you figure out that a bodybuilder and his workout are hardly taxing enough to even justify an increase in protein.
Not like it would matter anyway.
hahhahhahahah High Protien is for idiots who have not done their research.
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It absolutely amazing to me Adonis, Bast et all that you are overlooking the simple fact of thermogenisis via protein
"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
The body uses calories to process carbs and fat as well, not as much as protein, but big deal.
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I have always believed that it needs to be demonstrated in a lab how much protein is required for building muscle. My feeling is you need about 1 gram of protein for every 2 pounds of bodyweight. How much protein we need is not a matter of belief but of research. The problem we have settling this question is finding research done of advanced bodybuilders. I will admit that most companies, magazines and individuals who sell protein supplements always exaggerate how much protein you need. The same goes for vitamins, etc. I refused to sell any supplements in my gym for over 20 years. My partner convinced me that bodybuilders were buying supplements down the road so to speak so we eventually provided them as well. I never recommend extra protein but I do recommend extra calories for most young guys who are growing very slowly.
Melvin doesn't know much about nutrition. For example, I don't believe there is anything called junk food. Either a substance is a food or it is junk. It cannot be both. What people eat can be referred to as a junk diet because they lack nutrients and balance. For example, if someone ate only potato fries and nothing else they would get sick. If you trained and ate only at McDonalds you would be fine. That movie "SuperSize Me" was a scam. At least he got McDonalds to offer tastier food and change the way they marketed food.
hahahahhah yes you are partly right.
I eat Mcdonalds,Krispy Kreme,Oreos and cake and look great in single digit bodyfat.....Im getting leaner and stronger by the day!
Love it!
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It absolutely amazing to me Adonis, Bast et all that you are overlooking the simple fact of thermogenisis via protein
"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
HAHHAHHAH DUMBASS.....YOU WILL BURN MORE CALORIES TALKING TO YOUR GIRLFRIEND FOR 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR THAN A WHOLE DAYS WORTH OF PROTEIN THERMOGENSIS!!
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Of course 'DOGGCRAPP' promotes a GROSSLY high protein diet:
He sells protein!
The more people he convinces to eat more protein and buy from him the more money he makes.
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I see no point in ingesting large amounts of protein. The fact that many take large amounts of protein is not proof that you need large amounts. We need research and not debates to settle this question. Anecdotal reports are not sufficient to argue the case.
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This is because protein DOES have a thermogenic effect on the body...........but not enough to make an impact! Here's where everyone is missing the point. Sure, protein causes the body to work harder to digest it, which causes the body's internal temperature to rise, but it is NOT enough to really make a dent in burning fat or preserving muscle mass.
Researchers at Arizona State University examined individuals that ate a high protein diet and compared them to another group that ate a high carb diet. What they found was that eating a high protein diet resulted in an average of 30 calories per meal being burned in digestion.
Read that again.......30 calories per meal. Whoop-tee, doo!!! 30 calories! Okay, then let's say you eat 5 meals a day. 30 calories per meal, 5 meals a day, that equals 150 calories. So, you would only be burning an extra 150 calories a day if you were to go on a high protein diet. Big deal!!!! 150 calories is 1 cup of milk. It's 2 eggs. It's half a candy bar. 150 calories isn't going to make any difference whatsoever in helping you gain weight, build muscle mass, or burn fat.
Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, but you can eat more protein and not gain any fat because of the thermogenic effect". Give me a break........150 calories.....I rather just cut out 1 can of soda a day and get the same effect!
Don't be fooled by the "high-protein" fans. They just want you to go out and spend your hard-earned money on their bucket of protein. If you are looking to gain weight and build muscle, concentrate on the overall calories.
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"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
The thermic effect of increasing protein is quite miniscule actually, all things considered.
Take a look at this:
Andrea C Buchholz and Dale A Schoeller. Is a calorie a calorie? American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 79, No. 5, 899S-906S, May 2004
"There are fewer studies of the effect of changes in the percentage of energy from protein on total energy expenditure than there are of the effect of changes in total energy intake. The effect of changes in the percentage of dietary energy from protein on the thermic effect of food has been reviewed recently (48). On the basis of a meta-analysis, it was concluded that the thermic effect of food increases {approx}7 kcal/1000 kcal of ingested food for each increase of 10 percentage points in the percentage of energy from protein. Thus, if a subject is instructed to consume a 1500-kcal/d energy-restricted diet with 35% of energy from protein, then the thermic effect of food will be 21 kcal/d higher than if protein contributes only 15% of the dietary energy.
WOW, in this example you'll burn an extra 21 calories by increasing protein from 15-35% of daily calories!
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Protein "Thermogenesis" Myth
"Thermogenesis" or something that has a "thermogenic" effect on the body refers to anything that causes the temperature inside your body (sometimes your temperature on the skin is different from the temperature inside, your core temperature) to rise, to increase. Well, we all know from school that the average / normal core body temperature is 98.6 degrees. However, when your core temperature increases, even by just 1 or 2 degrees, it is said that this higher temperature causes the body to turn into a "furnace", raising the metabolism, which results in fat being burned.
Well, what does this have to do with building muscle mass and gaining weight? Well, one of the many reasons everyone and their mother seems to recommend eating a high protein diet is because of this "thermogenic" effect. People are under the misconception that you can gain a lot of muscle weight without gaining fat if you eat a high protein diet.
This is because protein DOES have a thermogenic effect on the body...........but not enough to make an impact! Here's where everyone is missing the point. Sure, protein causes the body to work harder to digest it, which causes the body's internal temperature to rise, but it is NOT enough to really make a dent in burning fat or preserving muscle mass.
Researchers at Arizona State University examined individuals that ate a high protein diet and compared them to another group that ate a high carb diet. What they found was that eating a high protein diet resulted in an average of 30 calories per meal being burned in digestion.
Read that again.......30 calories per meal. Whoop-tee, doo!!! 30 calories! Okay, then let's say you eat 5 meals a day. 30 calories per meal, 5 meals a day, that equals 150 calories. So, you would only be burning an extra 150 calories a day if you were to go on a high protein diet. Big deal!!!! 150 calories is 1 cup of milk. It's 2 eggs. It's half a candy bar. 150 calories isn't going to make any difference whatsoever in helping you gain weight, build muscle mass, or burn fat.
Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, but you can eat more protein and not gain any fat because of the thermogenic effect". Give me a break........150 calories.....I rather just cut out 1 can of soda a day and get the same effect!
Don't be fooled by the "high-protein" fans. They just want you to go out and spend your hard-earned money on their bucket of protein. If you are looking to gain weight and build muscle, concentrate on the overall calories.
CALORIES BURNED BY TALKING:Sitting while talking
Including talking on the phone 46 an hour.
hahahahahah
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"You must get 500 grams of protein a day! ..by the way I sell high quality protein, buy it from me!"
-Dante
:o
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This is because protein DOES have a thermogenic effect on the body...........but not enough to make an impact! Here's where everyone is missing the point. Sure, protein causes the body to work harder to digest it, which causes the body's internal temperature to rise, but it is NOT enough to really make a dent in burning fat or preserving muscle mass.
Researchers at Arizona State University examined individuals that ate a high protein diet and compared them to another group that ate a high carb diet. What they found was that eating a high protein diet resulted in an average of 30 calories per meal being burned in digestion.
Read that again.......30 calories per meal. Whoop-tee, doo!!! 30 calories! Okay, then let's say you eat 5 meals a day. 30 calories per meal, 5 meals a day, that equals 150 calories. So, you would only be burning an extra 150 calories a day if you were to go on a high protein diet. Big deal!!!! 150 calories is 1 cup of milk. It's 2 eggs. It's half a candy bar. 150 calories isn't going to make any difference whatsoever in helping you gain weight, build muscle mass, or burn fat.
Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, but you can eat more protein and not gain any fat because of the thermogenic effect". Give me a break........150 calories.....I rather just cut out 1 can of soda a day and get the same effect!
Don't be fooled by the "high-protein" fans. They just want you to go out and spend your hard-earned money on their bucket of protein. If you are looking to gain weight and build muscle, concentrate on the overall calories.
Thats fine and dandy...except you leave out the main cog to the question...what was in that meal. Because according to your math, if someone was taking in 300 grams of protein a day=1200 calories and 33% is getting used up during the digestive process....your looking at 400 calories burned which is a 45 minute treadmill cardio session for most men
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another interesting observation that might support TA's point of view is the prison system
notice that these guys eat only 3 meals a day. and those three meals a pretty much a bunch of mush and other crap mixed together...hardly any protien. but yet the guys who do lift weights or do bodyweight calisthenics are decently built and ripped?
just a food for thought
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Even if that 33% figure is true, you still will have a hard time getting that much protein that you'll have to take protein shakes, that aren't the most filling or tastey food anyway, it's not worth it.
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Thats fine and dandy...except you leave out the main cog to the question...what was in that meal. Because according to your math, if someone was taking in 300 grams of protein a day=1200 calories and 33% is getting used up during the digestive process....your looking at 400 calories burned which is a 45 minute treadmill cardio session for most men
You KEEP people in a surplus causing them to GAIN BODYFAT.
Why on earth are you concerned with burning calories and the Thermogenic effect??
hahhhaha you will burn more than 400 calories in a day by just talking to people on a daily basis.
hahhahahahhahahahahahaha hahah
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just eat 100g less protein and there's your 400 calories.
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Another for Dante:
Nutrition. 2003 Sep;19(9):703-7. Related Articles, Links
Effect of hypocaloric meals with different macronutrient compositions on energy metabolism and lung function in obese women.
Suen VM, Silva GA, Tannus AF, Unamuno MR, Marchini JS.
Division of Clinical Nutrition, Hospital das Clinicas, Ribeirao Preto, Sao Paulo, Brazil. viviansuen@hotmail.com
OBJECTIVE: We investigated the effect of hypocaloric mixed diets with different proportions of carbohydrate, protein, and fat on resting metabolic rate and the thermic effect of food in obese women. METHODS: Three mixed hypocaloric diets were consumed in random order during separate periods lasting 7 d each. Between each dietary period there was a washout period of 10 d. Diet 1 had a higher proportion of energy from carbohydrate (72%), diet 2 had a higher proportion of energy from protein (43%), and diet 3 had a higher proportion of energy from fat (68%). Indirect calorimetry and lung function tests were done after the completion of each 7-d diet. Seven obese women, ages 22 to 45 y and with body mass indexes of 32 to 59 kg/m(2), participated in the study. Oxygen consumption, carbon dioxide production, resting metabolic rate, and the thermic effect of food by indirect calorimetry were measured. Lung function tests included spirometry in the seated and upright positions, arterial blood gas analysis, and maximal inspiratory and expiratory pressures. RESULTS: There were no statistically significant differences in the resting metabolic rate and the thermic effect of food resulting from the three diets. The mean resting metabolic rates (kJ/d) were 7453 +/- 1446 for diet 1, 7461 +/- 1965 for diet 2, and 7076 +/- 2048 for diet 3. The mean thermic effects of food (kcal/min) were -0.02 +/- 0.07 for diet 1, -0.01 +/- 0.25 for diet 2, and 0.05 +/- 0.13 for diet 3. Lung function tests were normal before and after the hypocaloic diets: partial pressure of oxygen (mmHg) values were 81 +/- 13, 77 +/- 8, and 78 +/- 11 for diets 1 to 3, respectively; and partial pressure of carbon dioxide (mmHg) were 37 +/- 4, 37 +/- 3, and 37 +/- 4 for diets 1 to 3, respectively. CONCLUSIONS: Obese women with normal lung function tests and consuming mixed hypocaloric diets showed no alteration in resting metabolic rate and a reduced or absent thermic effect of food independently of the macronutrient composition.
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I have always believed that it needs to be demonstrated in a lab how much protein is required for building muscle. My feeling is you need about 1 gram of protein for every 2 pounds of bodyweight. How much protein we need is not a matter of belief but of research. The problem we have settling this question is finding research done on advanced bodybuilders. I will admit that most companies, magazines and individuals who sell protein supplements always exaggerate how much protein you need. The same goes for vitamins, etc. I refused to sell any supplements in my gym for over 20 years. My partner convinced me that bodybuilders were buying supplements down the road so to speak so we eventually provided them as well. I never recommend extra protein but I do recommend extra calories for most young guys who are growing very slowly.
Melvin doesn't know much about nutrition. For example, I don't believe there is anything called junk food. Either a substance is a food or it is junk. It cannot be both. What people eat can be referred to as a junk diet because they lack nutrients and balance. For example, if someone ate only potato fries and nothing else they would get sick. If you trained and ate only at McDonalds you would be fine. That movie "SuperSize Me" was a scam. At least he got McDonalds to offer tastier food and change the way they marketed food.
so you are basically saying that diets with high ammount of saturated fats are not unhealthy?
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Besides,
I seriously doubt that Whey mixed with water has much of a Thermogenic effect as would a Piece of meat.
More reason not to buy Protein powder. hahhahahah
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The so-called protein "thermogenic effect" has got to be about the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Does anyone honestly think the "effects" of this would counterbalance the excess fat you'd gain in
consuming way over the body's limit of processable protein? The only people I've seen who are actually lean
while consuming these ridiculous high protein diets are ones taking drugs to lean them out.
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"You must get 500 grams of protein a day! ..by the way I sell high quality protein, buy it from me!"
-Dante
:o
Bjorn I have been advocating higher protien intakes (1.5-2 grams per lb of bodyweight) for 15 years and wrote about it thoroughly in Hardcore Muscle magazine from 92-95.....whereas Trueprotein opened 2 years ago. Do you think I had a forseable 12 year marketing plan?--LOL. Would it make you happy if I owned a company that had nothing to do with this sport and instead went to a job every day I abhored? I dont care if anyone on this board buys protein from me or any other company. Im not pushing anything on anyone here, do what you want to do, but to sit here and tell people that ice cream and crispy cream donuts is the key to becoming the bodybuilder you want to be............(well you make the call)
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The so-called protein "thermogenic effect" has got to be about the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Does anyone honestly think the "effects" of this would counterbalance the excess fat you'd gain in
consuming way over the body's limit of processable protein? The only people I've seen who are actually lean
while consuming these ridiculous high protein diets are ones taking drugs to lean them out.
haha exactly.
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another interesting observation that might support TA's point of view is the prison system
notice that these guys eat only 3 meals a day. and those three meals a pretty much a bunch of mush and other crap mixed together...hardly any protien. but yet the guys who do lift weights or do bodyweight calisthenics are decently built and ripped?
just a food for thought
There are steroids available in american prisons.
YIP
Zack
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so you are basically saying that diets with high ammount of saturated fats are not unhealthy?
Not entirely.
Want me to post why?
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There are steroids available in american prisons.
YIP
Zack
Are you saying steroid users can gain muscle with low protein but natural guys can't? ::)
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CONCLUSIONS: Obese women with normal lung function tests and consuming mixed hypocaloric diets showed no alteration in resting metabolic rate and a reduced or absent thermic effect of food independently of the macronutrient composition.
Wow you really pinpointed athletes on a weight training program with that study Van
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Are you saying steroid users can gain muscle with low protein but natural guys can't? ::)
I hope u're joking.
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Bjorn I have been advocating higher protien intakes (1.5-2 grams per lb of bodyweight) for 15 years and wrote about it thoroughly in Hardcore Muscle magazine from 92-95.....whereas Trueprotein opened 2 years ago. Do you think I had a forseable 12 year marketing plan?--LOL. Would it make you happy if I owned a company that had nothing to do with this sport and instead went to a job every day I abhored? I dont care if anyone on this board buys protein from me or any other company. Im not pushing anything on anyone here, do what you want to do, but to sit here and tell people that ice cream and crispy cream donuts is the key to becoming the bodybuilder you want to be............(well you make the call)
I look better than you fatbody.
10 out of 10 people agree.
hahhahahahahahh
If I showed my pics on the street and said, I eat Krispy Kreme and Oreos
And you showed them your pic and you said I eat 500 grams of protein and go through cruise and blast cycles hahahhahah
They would laugh at your fat ass and be like,
Give me the Doughnuts that you eat Adonis.
hahhahahahah
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Are you saying steroid users can gain muscle with low protein but natural guys can't? ::)
i guess they have a special up in prison
buy 500ml test/week and get a free tub of whey
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I hope u're joking.
nope. Are you saying that steroids convert carbs to protein then? Because some of you are saying that high protein is needed for muscle building. Why would steroid users be able to gain on low protein but now natural bodybuilders?
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i guess they have a special up in prison
buy 500ml test/week and get a free tub of whey
hahahahah If there are so many Steroids in Prison, then why isn`t Craig Titus big anymore? hahhahahah The man never met a Roid he couldn`t turn down.
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Bjorn I have been advocating higher protien intakes (1.5-2 grams per lb of bodyweight) for 15 years and wrote about it thoroughly in Hardcore Muscle magazine from 92-95.....whereas Trueprotein opened 2 years ago. Do you think I had a forseable 12 year marketing plan?--LOL. Would it make you happy if I owned a company that had nothing to do with this sport and instead went to a job every day I abhored? I dont care if anyone on this board buys protein from me or any other company. Im not pushing anything on anyone here, do what you want to do, but to sit here and tell people that ice cream and crispy cream donuts is the key to becoming the bodybuilder you want to be............(well you make the call)
You got any links to where you've discussed your thoughts on the protein needs? I'd like to read more about your ideas.
I've read the cyclepennies article in the past.
YIP
Zack
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Why don`t you enter the Mr. Getbig Dante`
hahhahah
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People with poor knowledge about nutrition will make bad choices about food on a daily basis. I am saying that you can eat only at McDonalds and be fit, healthy and grow muscle. I would put my house on it. Second, if you put a chain of McDonalds in a country where people are starving and gave the food away for free those people would survive and be just fine.
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nope. Are you saying that steroids convert carbs to protein then? Because some of you are saying that high protein is needed for muscle building. Why would steroid users be able to gain on low protein but now natural bodybuilders?
A comparison can't be made since the people in question are steroid users. Atleast that's what Hedgehog implied.
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CONCLUSIONS: Obese women with normal lung function tests and consuming mixed hypocaloric diets showed no alteration in resting metabolic rate and a reduced or absent thermic effect of food independently of the macronutrient composition.
Wow you really pinpointed athletes on a weight training program with that study Van
It studied the thermic effect, not anabolism or protein needs of bodybuilders. Are you saying the thermic effect of protein is absent in obese women but magically manifests in bodybuilders? You claimed protein had a thermic effect of 30% calories burned through thermogenesis (actually the effect has been varied in studies from 5% to 30%). I assume you got this number from a study on bodybuilders?? Care to post it?
Don't post a study on anyone except bodybuilders. After all, we all know research on any other group is worthless.
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Why would steroid users be able to gain on low protein but now natural bodybuilders?
who says they do?
they might recover quicker from workouts because of higher protein synthesis. They wont build any more muscle if they dont have the building blocks to do it.
Buildingblocks for muscles = protein
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People with poor knowledge about nutrition will make bad choices about food on a daily basis. I am saying that you can eat only at McDonalds and be fit, healthy and grow muscle. I would put my house on it. Second, if you put a chain of McDonalds in a country where people are starving and gave the food away for free those people would survive and be just fine.
your bad colesterol levels would be trough the roof after a while and your liver would rott
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The general formula used by Dante has a lot going for it. I don't like the rest pause stuff because I personally think that doing many more sets with a maximum resistance is closer to the requirement than rest pause which I have tried. I have no doubt that Dante would eclipse Adonis when training people. The test would be to get a set of 20 twins and let each train one twin for say 3 months drug free and then compare the results. Most young guys do not or cannot ingest enough calories to grow. Dante has a sytem that is progressive. You change stuff and are always pushing your limits. Those two factors are important for hypertrophy. Adonis has not demonstrated much re his theories and their effectiveness.
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Please demonstrate how a hamburger is junk food. That ignorant people call such things junk doesn't make them junk.
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your bad colesterol levels would be trough the roof after a while and your liver would rott
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME!@!!
A CHICKEN BREAST HAS MORE CHOLESTEROL THAN A BIG MAC@!!!!
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why would someone nickname themself doggcrapp, lame.
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Just to make it clear here, I agree with Adonis about the protein requirement. I also respect the intelligence and knowledge of Milos. It would be interesting to talk to Milos about nutrition.
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FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME!@!!
A CHICKEN BREAST HAS MORE CHOLESTEROL THAN A BIG MAC@!!!!
hahaha this proves your ignorance and stupidity.
http://www.hormel.com/templates/knowledge/knowledge.asp?catitemid=24&id=150
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
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Just to make it clear here, I agree with Adonis about the protein requirement. I also respect the intelligence and knowledge of Milos. It would be interesting to talk to Milos about nutrition.
Yes you could use a lecture by Milos you obviously know nothing about nutrition.
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hahaha this proves your ignorance and stupidity.
http://www.hormel.com/templates/knowledge/knowledge.asp?catitemid=24&id=150
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
You EAT A 3 OZ CHICKEN BREAST?
haHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
If you wanna go by weight, a BIG MAC IS STILL LOWER as you would have to cut the Big Mac.
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Here is an experiment that might be interesting. Get a house built next to a McDonalds and have Milos set up the diets of say 40 people living in that complex that also has a gym, recreation room, library, computers, etc. I predict the subjects would be healthy and could build muscle eating only what is served at McDonalds. If you awarded money to the bodybuilders who gained the most it would be really interesting. No one who ever used drugs would be selected nor would anyone have access to steroids or supplements. Testing would be done to ensure that no cheating occurred.
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Here is an experiment that might be interesting. Get a house built next to a McDonalds and have Milos set up the diets of say 40 people living in that complex that also has a gym, recreation room, library, computers, etc. I predict the subjects would be healthy and could build muscle eating only what is served at McDonalds. If you awarded money to the bodybuilders who gained the most it would be really interesting. No one who ever used drugs would be selected nor would anyone have access to steroids or supplements. Testing would be done to ensure that no cheating occurred.
That would make one kick ass reality tv show!
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There is no doubt in my mind that both Milos and Dante could generate more muscle in Adonis than he is able to do himself with his theories and ideas.
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HERE MAXX hahhahah I`LL SHOW YOU
3 Ounces of Chicken breast- 70 mg cholesterol
3 ounces Big Mac-30.7 mg cholesterol
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CONCLUSION
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However, some experimental data suggest that exercise may actually decrease the protein requirements necessary to maintain balance. Nevertheless, it can be speculated that a protein supplement should be useful to stimulate net muscle protein synthesis, particularly if the supplement has the optimal proportion of individual amino acids. However, experiments have yet to be performed that document such a beneficial effect of protein supplements.
&You are such a jackass T.A.
First off, that's one of the articles I posted the reference to in one of the threads where this argument has been going on.
Second, you left out the first part of the conclusion. I have the hard copy in my hands right now. Here is what the conclusion actually said:
Conclusion
A strong theoretical basis exists for expecting a beneficial effect of a protein supplement in active people. Amino acid intake stimulates the transport of amino acids into muscle, and there is a direct link between amino acid inward transport and muscle protein synthesis. However, some experimental data suggest that exercise may actually decrease the protein requirements necessary to maintain balance. Nevertheless, it can be speculated that a protein supplement should be useful to stimulate net muscle protein synthesis, particularly if the supplement has the optimal proportion of individual amino acids. However, experiments hace yet to be performed that document such a beneficial effect of protein supplements.
You are a liar. You altered the conclusion to better suit your needs.
Third, two years later Robert R. Wolfe published Regulation of Muscle Protein by Amino Acids in The Journal of Nutrition, where he says "The results presented here establish a direct role of amino acids in regulating net muscle protein balance. Furthermore, the response is directly affected by the exact composition and amount of mixture of amino acids ingested, the timing of ingestion in relation to exercise and the amount and nature of nonprotein energy ingested with amino acids. When these findings are considered in the context of the estimation of protein or amino acid "requirements," it is clear that multiple results could be achieved for the same AMINO ACID intake, depending on the interaction of the various factors discussed above. Thus, attempts to identify a unique AMINO ACID "requirement" are likely to be unsuccessful. Furthermore, our results, along with virtually all data in the literature on the topic, suggest that increasing AMINO ACID intake will increase muscle mass, with all other variables remaining constant. Whereas this concept runs counter to popular perception, real-life examples abound in obese individuals who have signifigantly elevated muscle mass despite living sedentary lives (e.g., Ref. 28). Thus, it is likely that increasing AMINO ACID intake in accord with the principles discussed above to optimize effectiveness will promote muscle anabolism, whether in depleted individuals such as the elderly or in active athletes trying to increase muscle mass. The exact nutritional approach will determine the extent of anabolic response."
If you don't want to read it, let me sum it up. T.A. is very, very wrong, about everything he has said. Timing matters. Protein matters. A calorie is not just a calorie.
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Here is an experiment that might be interesting. Get a house built next to a McDonalds and have Milos set up the diets of say 40 people living in that complex that also has a gym, recreation room, library, computers, etc. I predict the subjects would be healthy and could build muscle eating only what is served at McDonalds. If you awarded money to the bodybuilders who gained the most it would be really interesting. No one who ever used drugs would be selected nor would anyone have access to steroids or supplements. Testing would be done to ensure that no cheating occurred.
Yes i agree. Everything they have is not bad. Nothing wrong with the burger meat for example.
The bad stuff are the breads, fried stuff, and dressings. There might be some other stuff that i cant come up with right now
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HERE MAXX hahhahah I`LL SHOW YOU
3 Ounces of Chicken breast- 70 mg cholesterol
3 ounces Big Mac-30.7 mg cholesterol
Yes, but anyone who knows anything about nutrition knows that dietary intake of cholesterol is only responsible for a very small percentage of blood borne cholesterol. Dietary FAT intake is primarily responsible for measurable blood cholesterol levels.
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&You are such a jackass T.A.
First off, that's one of the articles I posted the reference to in one of the threads where this argument has been going on.
Second, you left out the first part of the conclusion. I have the hard copy in my hands right now. Here is what the conclusion actually said:
Conclusion
A strong theoretical basis exists for expecting a beneficial effect of a protein supplement in active people. Amino acid intake stimulates the transport of amino acids into muscle, and there is a direct link between amino acid inward transport and muscle protein synthesis. However, some experimental data suggest that exercise may actually decrease the protein requirements necessary to maintain balance. Nevertheless, it can be speculated that a protein supplement should be useful to stimulate net muscle protein synthesis, particularly if the supplement has the optimal proportion of individual amino acids. However, experiments hace yet to be performed that document such a beneficial effect of protein supplements.
You are a liar. You altered the conclusion to better suit your needs.
Third, two years later Robert R. Wolfe published Regulation of Muscle Protein by Amino Acids in The Journal of Nutrition, where he says "The results presented here establish a direct role of amino acids in regulating net muscle protein balance. Furthermore, the response is directly affected by the exact composition and amount of mixture of amino acids ingested, the timing of ingestion in relation to exercise and the amount and nature of nonprotein energy ingested with amino acids. When these findings are considered in the context of the estimation of protein or amino acid "requirements," it is clear that multiple results could be achieved for the same AMINO ACID intake, depending on the interaction of the various factors discussed above. Thus, attempts to identify a unique AMINO ACID "requirement" are likely to be unsuccessful. Furthermore, our results, along with virtually all data in the literature on the topic, suggest that increasing AMINO ACID intake will increase muscle mass, with all other variables remaining constant. Whereas this concept runs counter to popular perception, real-life examples abound in obese individuals who have signifigantly elevated muscle mass despite living sedentary lives (e.g., Ref. 28). Thus, it is likely that increasing AMINO ACID intake in accord with the principles discussed above to optimize effectiveness will promote muscle anabolism, whether in depleted individuals such as the elderly or in active athletes trying to increase muscle mass. The exact nutritional approach will determine the extent of anabolic response."
If you don't want to read it, let me sum it up. T.A. is very, very wrong, about everything he has said. Timing matters. Protein matters. A calorie is not just a calorie.
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Yes, but anyone who knows anything about nutrition knows that dietary intake of cholesterol is only responsible for a very small percentage of blood borne cholesterol. Dietary FAT intake is primarily responsible for measurable blood cholesterol levels.
exactly. Yet again TA proves he knows jack shit about nutrition
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I think he knows a thing or 2 about dieting. Ta's dieting methods are working wonders for me.
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. . .
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I think he knows a thing or 2 about dieting. Ta's dieting methods are working wonders for me.
hahahahah tool!!
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I have always believed that it needs to be demonstrated in a lab how much protein is required for building muscle. My feeling is you need about 1 gram of protein for every 2 pounds of bodyweight. How much protein we need is not a matter of belief but of research. The problem we have settling this question is finding research done on advanced bodybuilders. I will admit that most companies, magazines and individuals who sell protein supplements always exaggerate how much protein you need. The same goes for vitamins, etc. I refused to sell any supplements in my gym for over 20 years. My partner convinced me that bodybuilders were buying supplements down the road so to speak so we eventually provided them as well. I never recommend extra protein but I do recommend extra calories for most young guys who are growing very slowly.
Melvin doesn't know much about nutrition. For example, I don't believe there is anything called junk food. Either a substance is a food or it is junk. It cannot be both. What people eat can be referred to as a junk diet because they lack nutrients and balance. For example, if someone ate only potato fries and nothing else they would get sick. If you trained and ate only at McDonalds you would be fine. That movie "SuperSize Me" was a scam. At least he got McDonalds to offer tastier food and change the way they marketed food.
Can't help but to bring up my name can you. Well I would insult you but I'll smack you down instead with some street knowledge.
First off, there is a such thing as junk food. I did point out in one post that a Bucket of KFC and mash potatos had less calories than a sample of Dante's diet. However that was one point. KFC chicken contains a high amount of sodium that exceeds what your body needs as well as a high amount of saturated fat. High intakes of sodium can cause high blood pressure and saturated fat will clog your arteries. KFC ran ads for the high protein, low carb diet argument for eating their food and ended up being sued by the government for mis-leading ads.
The same is true with most fast foods. The fast food companies including McDonalds realize this which is why they are making changes.
Now as far as ice cream and doughnuts are concerned, even though an ice cream cone has only 110 calories, you forget that it contains a lot of simple carbohydrates (sugar) and too much sugar will interfere with the body's regulation of insulin.
Yes a calorie is a calorie however protein, carbohydrates, and fats have different functions in the body. Protein is used by the body to build and repair muscle tissue, carbohydrates gives the body a source of energy for the body to function, and fats are for energy reserves during stenuous exercise and stress and to cushion the body joints. Its important to take in the proper ratio of these elements for your fitness goals but at the same time the right amount.
Eating lots of fast food and sugary snacks is not good for you. If you need an example of this, go take a walk around and you'll see plenty of examples unfortunately. That's why over half of American's are fat.
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. Everytime a pro says something on here someone jumps down his throat, except for toney freeman but he just started, give it time and people will lay into him just like everyone else.
show some fucking respect, it's not that hard.
Toney is SQUAD endorsed, he has nothing to worry about. Having SQUAD backing is like being in the Mafia.
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Can't help but to bring up my name can you. Well I would insult you but I'll smack you down instead with some street knowledge.
First off, there is a such thing as junk food. I did point out in one post that a Bucket of KFC and mash potatos had less calories than a sample of Dante's diet. However that was one point. KFC chicken contains a high amount of sodium that exceeds what your body needs as well as a high amount of saturated fat. High intakes of sodium can cause high blood pressure and saturated fat will clog your arteries. KFC ran ads for the high protein, low carb diet argument for eating their food and ended up being sued by the government for mis-leading ads.
The same is true with most fast foods. The fast food companies including McDonalds realize this which is why they are making changes.
Now as far as ice cream and doughnuts are concerned, even though an ice cream cone has only 110 calories, you forget that it contains a lot of simple carbohydrates (sugar) and too much sugar will interfere with the body's regulation of insulin.
Yes a calorie is a calorie however protein, carbohydrates, and fats have different functions in the body. Protein is used by the body to build and repair muscle tissue, carbohydrates gives the body a source of energy for the body to function, and fats are for energy reserves during stenuous exercise and stress and to cushion the body joints. Its important to take in the proper ratio of these elements for your fitness goals but at the same time the right amount.
Eating lots of fast food and sugary snacks is not good for you. If you need an example of this, go take a walk around and you'll see plenty of examples unfortunately. That's why over half of American's are fat.
Vince you are DEAD WRONG on so many things in this post,so I will just address one.
Ice CREAM WILL NOT affect Insulin Levels.....It has Less than Half the GI then Oatmeal....ITs insulin response is almost non-existant.
Furthermore the GI is pointless when in a defecit since its not possible to store bodyfat.
I don`t really feel like addressing the other points right now....Just look around the forums and you will see.
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I eat Mcdonalds or fast food about every day with Cookies and Doughnuts and all kinds of goodies and I am in single digit bodyfat and continually getting leaner and stronger.
I can preserve any level of leaness I want as well.
If I want to stay at 3 percent I know how to do so with my diet.
:) I rule.
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I would welcome a debate with Melvin about anything. At least with nutrition there is always some way to decide most issues as they should be matters of fact. I haven't been impressed with anything Melvin has stated here re nutrition. Adonis is quoting research and that is what people should do to support their claims, etc. Getting a certificate in nutrition that is not a degree course at university does not make one an expert in nutrition. On a scale of 1 to 10 Melvin would be at about 2 or 3 whereas Milos would be at the other end of the scale. I am somewhere in between.
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Does Dante Strudel even work out? he looks like he weighs 300lb (not muscle)
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I would welcome a debate with Melvin about anything. At least with nutrition there is always some way to decide most issues as they should be matters of fact. I haven't been impressed with anything Melvin has stated here re nutrition. Adonis is quoting research and that is what people should do to support their claims, etc. Getting a certificate in nutrition that is not a degree course at university does not make one an expert in nutrition. On a scale of 1 to 10 Melvin would be at about 2 or 3 whereas Milos would be at the other end of the scale. I am somewhere in between.
The only thing I'm concerned about is serving my clients needs and getting the results they demand and that's what I've been doing for over 5 years. I get him off their junk food meals, show them how to prepare and cook healthy meals, and exercise properly for life.
Take your scale and shove it up your ass, its of no importance to me
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PhD in nutrition = expert and authority in nutrition
Master degree in sports nutrition = expert in nutrition
Degree in sports nutrition = possible professional in the area. lowest expert status in nutrition.
Certificate in nutrition and long experience and reading research = possible expert
Long experience and reading research = student of nutrition
Certificate in nutrition = beginner in nutrition
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Melvin, you are a danger to bodybuilding and I am ashamed to associate with pseudo experts who have no standing whatever. Gym owners and instructors are also poorly qualified to give anyone information about training or nutrition. People who know something acknowledge that there is heaps they do not know.
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Listen Melvin Goodrum, I challenge you to comprehend studies done in exercise science. You will not be able to read the science because the language and concepts require at least a degree in exercise science. I know that I cannot understand these studies so it is a safe bet that you won't be able to, either. So don't go putting those low quality certificates after your name and then think educated people will be impressed by them. You are a sham as a professional and have the minimum qualifications to offer instruction to anyone. You would not be hired to work in my gym as an expert in anything at all.
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Vince you are buying into this just remember 99%of this on here is crap,like TA being 3%bf what a fluckin joke why not say 1% TA we all believe you.After the pics of Mr Getbig posted you will see all the greatness.WOW.
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Here you go, Melvin, tell us what this study is all about?
1: Exp Cell Res. 2004 Mar 10;294(1):223-35. Related Articles, Links
Differential signalling mechanisms predisposing primary human skeletal muscle cells to altered proliferation and differentiation: roles of IGF-I and TNFalpha.
Foulstone EJ, Huser C, Crown AL, Holly JM, Stewart CE.
Division of Surgery, University of Bristol, Bristol Royal Infirmary, Bristol, BS2 8HW, UK. foulstone@bristol.ac.uk
To gain a clearer insight into the mechanisms of skeletal muscle cell growth, differentiation and maintenance, we have developed a primary adult human skeletal muscle cell model. Cells were cultured from biopsies of rectus muscle from the anterior abdominal wall of patients undergoing elective surgery. Under differentiating conditions, all cultures formed myotubes, irrespective of initial myoblast number. Stimulation with both IGF-I and tumour necrosis factor alpha (TNFalpha) increased cellular proliferation but while IGF-I subsequently increased myoblast differentiation, via both hyperplasia and hypertrophy, TNFalpha inhibited the initiation of differentiation, but did not induce apoptosis. Addition of IGF-I stimulated both the MAP kinase and the phosphatidylinositide 3-kinase (PI 3-kinase) signalling pathways while treatment with TNFalpha preferentially led to MAP kinase activation although with a very different profile of activation compared to IGF-I. Data using the MEK inhibitor UO126 showed MAP kinase activity is not only needed for cellular proliferation but is also necessary for both the initiation and the progression of primary human myoblast differentiation. The PI 3-kinase pathway is also involved in differentiation, but activation of this pathway could not relieve inhibition of differentiation by TNFalpha or UO126. Our results show that the controlled temporal and amplitude of activation of multiple signalling pathways is needed for successful myoblast differentiation.
PMID: 14980516 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Adonis is excellent at putting down others because he can show most are not true authorities. However, Adonis is far from being an authority himself. He is a student of hypertrophy and nutrition and that is accepted. So he uses his knowledge to slay the pseudo experts on Getbig. He must know that just about everyone here considers themselves to be experts in bodybuilding. The truth is few of us are close to being an expert. Milos certainly is an accepted expert because champions go to him for advice. Dante has also had big guys seek his advice. It remains to be seen if Adonis will also join the ranks of the experts. There is nothing stopping him. Melvin Goodrum means well but has a very long way to go.
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Toney is SQUAD endorsed, he has nothing to worry about. Having SQUAD backing is like being in the Mafia.
Yes Groink, Toney is being pushed to the top. The sky is the limit for him with the SQUAD backing. Up next, the Olympia.
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Adonis is excellent at putting down others because he can show most are not true authorities. However, Adonis is far from being an authority himself. He is a student of hypertrophy and nutrition and that is accepted. So he uses his knowledge to slay the pseudo experts on Getbig. He must know that just about everyone here considers themselves to be experts in bodybuilding. The truth is few of us are close to being an expert. Milos certainly is an accepted expert because champions go to him for advice. Dante has also had big guys seek his advice. It remains to be seen if Adonis will also join the ranks of the experts. There is nothing stopping him. Melvin Goodrum means well but has a very long way to go.
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Again Vince, what you think of my knowledge in exercise science in nutrition is of no importance to me. Its only important to those who pay me for my services and supplements who rely on me to take care of their needs. If I didn't know anything, then I wouldn't have any clients. If I didn't get results, then I didn't get paid. My nutritional plan is based on ratio and actual caloric intake needed for my clients goals.
BTW, here's a letter from one of my clients. I'll be putting up more on my site soon.
Hi Vince!
I was going to email you sometime next week but I'll give you an update. I haven't really changed my diet much. Similar protein intake with about 20 grams extra a day. Still taking creatine and carb intake is down just a little.
I started the HMB with one scoop at night.
I take 3 of the Sterol Complex pills in the morning 5 days a week about 30-40 minutes before I work out.
I had been taking Lipo6 or something similar on and off for fat loss and now I am taking the Thermo caps at 2 caps 3 times a day. First thing in the morning (5am) again at 9am and the last time at 1pm.
So far I have had noticable fat loss. I have never checked my percentage but I am guessing I started off at 17%. Now I am pretty close to 12% maye a little higher. My strength has also had a noticable increase. I am up roughly 10% on some exercises. I don't keep a training log but I keep it all in my head and know what my poundages are for everything. I had been at somewhat of a sticking point for a couple of months so this is noticable. My endurance is much better and muscle size seems to be up although again I don't measure or keep track but I see how my clothes fit and what I see in the mirror.
So something or some combination has given me a noticable boost. I have a question for you. I saw some posts on getbig about superdol or something being removed from the market. I haven't checked into that supplement or it's ingredients. Is there any worry that your sterol complex may be in the same situation? If so and if it's one of the things giving me some of these results, I may want to pick up some more of that soon. Oh and how long should I stay on that? Until this bottle is gone or? Also for a 230lb male, is 3 tabs a day a good amount to take? I think the bottle says 3-6.
I'll write more results in a week or so. I'll post them on getbig too so some of those little high school internet badasses will shut up. Man there are some real "winners" on that board.
Thanks again!!!
Vince, I don't need anyone telling me what I know and what I don't know. You need to know this however:
Elite athletes are NOT BUILT ON CANDY & DOUGHNUTS!!! Junk food is junk food period
You don't have a clue about the true nature of this thread.
A "so called" hardcore gym is not suppose to have pink exercise equipment
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I like you Goodrum,
But I am not going to bother on wasting my time since you want to argue against Scientific Fact..
And for your information,
The greatest Athlete in Swimming,Michael Phelps eats every single meal at Mcdonalds.
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PhD in nutrition = expert and authority in nutrition
Master degree in sports nutrition = expert in nutrition
Degree in sports nutrition = possible professional in the area. lowest expert status in nutrition.
Certificate in nutrition and long experience and reading research = possible expert
Long experience and reading research = student of nutrition
Certificate in nutrition = beginner in nutrition
I've seen people with PH.D's go out there really screw people up.
Sometimes, "fitness experts" get so caught up in studying and researching that they forget all about real world experience.
Action speaks louder than words and although I don't hold an actual degree in exercise science, I don't really need one. When I get my customers results, they refer their friends and family over to me and so on. That's how it works with me.
The one thing that does make me superior to someone with a PH.D is that I'm down to Earth and I make exercise and nutrition easy to understand to my clients. You can have all the book knowledge you wish but if you can't communicate it to a client in a manner to where they can understand, then you have failed.
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I like you Goodrum,
But I am not going to bother on wasting my time since you want to argue against Scientific Fact..
And for your information,
The greatest Athlete in Swimming,Michael Phelps eats every single meal at Mcdonalds.
We may be bro's TA, but I have my own ideals on things. That's how I roll
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Here you go, Melvin, tell us what this study is all about?
1: Exp Cell Res. 2004 Mar 10;294(1):223-35. Related Articles, Links
Differential signalling mechanisms predisposing primary human skeletal muscle cells to altered proliferation and differentiation: roles of IGF-I and TNFalpha.
Foulstone EJ, Huser C, Crown AL, Holly JM, Stewart CE.
Division of Surgery, University of Bristol, Bristol Royal Infirmary, Bristol, BS2 8HW, UK. foulstone@bristol.ac.uk
To gain a clearer insight into the mechanisms of skeletal muscle cell growth, differentiation and maintenance, we have developed a primary adult human skeletal muscle cell model. Cells were cultured from biopsies of rectus muscle from the anterior abdominal wall of patients undergoing elective surgery. Under differentiating conditions, all cultures formed myotubes, irrespective of initial myoblast number. Stimulation with both IGF-I and tumour necrosis factor alpha (TNFalpha) increased cellular proliferation but while IGF-I subsequently increased myoblast differentiation, via both hyperplasia and hypertrophy, TNFalpha inhibited the initiation of differentiation, but did not induce apoptosis. Addition of IGF-I stimulated both the MAP kinase and the phosphatidylinositide 3-kinase (PI 3-kinase) signalling pathways while treatment with TNFalpha preferentially led to MAP kinase activation although with a very different profile of activation compared to IGF-I. Data using the MEK inhibitor UO126 showed MAP kinase activity is not only needed for cellular proliferation but is also necessary for both the initiation and the progression of primary human myoblast differentiation. The PI 3-kinase pathway is also involved in differentiation, but activation of this pathway could not relieve inhibition of differentiation by TNFalpha or UO126. Our results show that the controlled temporal and amplitude of activation of multiple signalling pathways is needed for successful myoblast differentiation.
PMID: 14980516 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
This is what I mean Basile. No average joe would care about this or understand it
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To Melvin re comprehension of exercise science research: QED.
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This is what I mean Basile. No average joe would care about this or understand it
Talk about weird, my M.Sc. is based on MAPK activation in THP-1 cells. I NEVER thought I would see something like it on here. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone :o
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I have to reply to Melvin's comments about educated people. Anyone who is awarded a PhD degree is an expert in what his/her thesis is about. They qualify as the highest of educated people but that hardly means they have universal knowledge or experience. The hallmark of an educated person is knowing how to find out information and what theories to believe and what constitutes acceptable knowledge. Everyone who has a degree is very aware of what they do not know which is overwhelming. The idea that highly educated people are somehow stupid about ordinary matters is a myth. They would be better about most things than most people simply because they are more intelligent than most people.
Strange as it seems there has yet to be anyone who has obtained a PhD in maximum hypertrophy in humans. In other words no one is a true authority in building muscles. Not one single person. The most intelligent people associated with bodybuilding are not also the most educated. I cite Arthur Jones here who is clearly the brightest man to get involved with bodybuilding and gym equipment. Terry Todd, Bill Reynolds and Fred Hatfield had PhD degrees but they did not earn them in bodybuilding. Ellington Darden got his PhD in mud therapy which is not hypertrophy. Frank Zane has a MA degree but not in exercise science. Larry Scott has an engineering degree, I believe. So there are intelligent guys in bodybuilding but the most educated never demonstrated superior results in their physiques. Dr Squat broke world records in powerlifting but his physique wouldn't win a contest. Ben Weider is bright but neither he nor Joe had a great physique. So there you are. A handful of bodybuilders are highly educated. The vast majority of bodybuilders are just average people. I cite Mike Mentzer as an intelligent man who actually formulated theories in bodybuilding and had a comprehensive philosophy of life and bodybuilding.
What degrees have Adonis and Goodrum got? I have no doubt that Milos Sarcev could get at least a masters degree if he wished to pursue one. It sure would help if more people were educated around here so that the standard of debate would improve. It would be refreshing if more people realized when they had actually lost an argument or were contradicted.
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Congratulations d if you have a MSc in exercise physiology.
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I would welcome a debate with Melvin about anything. At least with nutrition there is always some way to decide most issues as they should be matters of fact. I haven't been impressed with anything Melvin has stated here re nutrition. Adonis is quoting research and that is what people should do to support their claims, etc.[/font] Getting a certificate in nutrition that is not a degree course at university does not make one an expert in nutrition. On a scale of 1 to 10 Melvin would be at about 2 or 3 whereas Milos would be at the other end of the scale. I am somewhere in between.
Umm. Vince, he was falsifying research by purposely ommitting portions of it to better suit his needs. He's not a student of hypertrophy, he is a liar.
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Adonis knows how to piss people off. I thought I was a good stirrer. You guys are right that it is difficult to argue strictly and be scientifically correct. Anyone with scientific knowledge would hardly argue like the golden one does. He is too dogmatic and has little intellectual self-control. Still, his approach is on the right path. It is clear that it takes a good mind to process all that research and comprehend some overall theories out of it. Adonis is a student of hypertrophy and nutrition but so far has not demonstrated he would be able to get a degree in the subject.
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Strange as it seems there has yet to be anyone who has obtained a PhD in maximum hypertrophy in humans. In other words no one is a true authority in building muscles. Not one single person. The most intelligent people associated with bodybuilding are not also the most educated. I cite Arthur Jones here who is clearly the brightest man to get involved with bodybuilding and gym equipment. Terry Todd, Bill Reynolds and Fred Hatfield had PhD degrees but they did not earn them in bodybuilding. Ellington Darden got his PhD in mud therapy which is not hypertrophy. Frank Zane has a MA degree but not in exercise science. Larry Scott has an engineering degree, I believe. So there are intelligent guys in bodybuilding but the most educated never demonstrated superior results in their physiques. Dr Squat broke world records in powerlifting but his physique wouldn't win a contest. Ben Weider is bright but neither he nor Joe had a great physique. So there you are. A handful of bodybuilders are highly educated. The vast majority of bodybuilders are just average people. I cite Mike Mentzer as an intelligent man who actually formulated theories in bodybuilding and had a comprehensive philosophy of life and bodybuilding.
The science of muscular hypertrophy IS essentially known. Some minutiae can still be learned but we know what causes hypertrophy. I have seen you try to debate this on other forums but you refuse to see the science that is already available.
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I admit there is a lot of research done at the molecular level about muscle processes. Show me any that fully explain what DOMS is? We can't be sure if hyperplasia occurs in humans. Where is the research done on advanced bodybuilders re hypertrophy or even the composition of their huge muscles.
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why do you keep calling him melvin, he likes to be called vince so just call him vince, stop emphasizing the point that his name isn't vince we get the point vincent.
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Can't I have any fun around here? Melvin is the site fall guy because he takes himself too seriously. Besides he has forever ruined the good name of 'Vince' on muscle discussion boards.
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Besides he has forever ruined the good name of 'Vince' on muscle discussion boards.
You're starting to do a good job of that too tho!
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Keep it up, that made me laugh out loud. This joint can use two Vinces who are bums!
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Someone on getbig who can laugh at themselves!! Kudos to you sir!
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Adonis is excellent at putting down others because he can show most are not true authorities. However, Adonis is far from being an authority himself. He is a student of hypertrophy and nutrition and that is accepted. So he uses his knowledge to slay the pseudo experts on Getbig. He must know that just about everyone here considers themselves to be experts in bodybuilding. The truth is few of us are close to being an expert. Milos certainly is an accepted expert because champions go to him for advice. Dante has also had big guys seek his advice. It remains to be seen if Adonis will also join the ranks of the experts. There is nothing stopping him. Melvin Goodrum means well but has a very long way to go.
Vince you are just a big joke.
How can you call two people experts who totally contradict eachother.
Milos is an expert.
TA is a delusional lier.
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Vince you are just a big joke.
How can you call two people experts who totally contradict eachother.
Milos is an expert.
TA is a delusional lier.
Agree with you on Milos being an expert and TA being a liar.
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Adonis believes he is an expert. How on earth can anyone distill that I agree from what I have posted? If Adonis went to Dante or Milos he might be able to build some decent size. On his own he appears unable to get any bigger.
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I have to reply to Melvin's comments about educated people. Anyone who is awarded a PhD degree is an expert in what his/her thesis is about. They qualify as the highest of educated people but that hardly means they have universal knowledge or experience. The hallmark of an educated person is knowing how to find out information and what theories to believe and what constitutes acceptable knowledge. Everyone who has a degree is very aware of what they do not know which is overwhelming. The idea that highly educated people are somehow stupid about ordinary matters is a myth. They would be better about most things than most people simply because they are more intelligent than most people.
Strange as it seems there has yet to be anyone who has obtained a PhD in maximum hypertrophy in humans. In other words no one is a true authority in building muscles. Not one single person. The most intelligent people associated with bodybuilding are not also the most educated. I cite Arthur Jones here who is clearly the brightest man to get involved with bodybuilding and gym equipment. Terry Todd, Bill Reynolds and Fred Hatfield had PhD degrees but they did not earn them in bodybuilding. Ellington Darden got his PhD in mud therapy which is not hypertrophy. Frank Zane has a MA degree but not in exercise science. Larry Scott has an engineering degree, I believe. So there are intelligent guys in bodybuilding but the most educated never demonstrated superior results in their physiques. Dr Squat broke world records in powerlifting but his physique wouldn't win a contest. Ben Weider is bright but neither he nor Joe had a great physique. So there you are. A handful of bodybuilders are highly educated. The vast majority of bodybuilders are just average people. I cite Mike Mentzer as an intelligent man who actually formulated theories in bodybuilding and had a comprehensive philosophy of life and bodybuilding.
What degrees have Adonis and Goodrum got? I have no doubt that Milos Sarcev could get at least a masters degree if he wished to pursue one. It sure would help if more people were educated around here so that the standard of debate would improve. It would be refreshing if more people realized when they had actually lost an argument or were contradicted.
Basically, you're making the argument that people with degrees are fitness experts and know everything.
So, I should be recommending my customers to use Dr Phils "healthy snack foods". After all he's a doctor, lets ignore the fact that he's bald and fat
Or maybe we can go with Dr Atkins and I can tell people that they can eat as much bacon, sausage, and fried chicken they want.
Perhaps I should get some Coral Calcuim from Dr Barefoot. After all his calcium that he sells for 50 bucks a bottle is superior to calcuim that's only 3.00 even though they are the same elements
Or maybe I should call Jaguar back up here to the boards and have her sell some Pro-Argi 9, after all it was endorsed by Dr Pee Dee Wee's
Like I said Basile, being a doctor or have a master's degree doesn't make you a fitness expert. Some people have lots of book knowledge but are still dum as a rock or simply dishonest and use their degrees criminally. To be a fitness expert, you have to demonstrate your skills to the people you serve
BTW, I'll have my doctorate in a few years but I'll be more successful because I have real world knowledge and a history of satisfied customers to back me up.
Yours truly
Dr. Melvin "Vince" Goodrum, N.D circa 2009
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reading (what I can stomach) of the logic? that goes back and fourth on this site has replaced any need I have to drive slowly past car accidents.
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Dr Goodrum it is, then. Why wait until you actually buy your degree? You will never have the discipline to get a PhD in exercise science or nutrition from a recognized university. Just when I was thinking you stopped playing this game you came up with a whopper! That is the spirit.
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Umm. Vince, he was falsifying research by purposely ommitting portions of it to better suit his needs. He's not a student of hypertrophy, he is a liar.
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I'm not going to read 19 pages. If there's anything of value in this thread let me know.
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Dr Goodrum it is, then. Why wait until you actually buy your degree? You will never have the discipline to get a PhD in exercise science or nutrition from a recognized university. Just when I was thinking you stopped playing this game you came up with a whopper! That is the spirit.
You will speak my name among the world`s greatest scientists one day...
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I'm not going to read 19 pages. If there's anything of value in this thread let me know.
Some guy who eats ice cream is arguing with the Doggcrap guru
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I'm not going to read 19 pages. If there's anything of value in this thread let me know.
did you have a gay old time with your musclebear on vacation "bluto", hahahahaha.
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did you have a gay old time with your musclebear on vacation "bluto", hahahahaha.
hahhaha hes about the worst Getbig member on here.
Nobody likes him and hes about as fat as Dante` if not fatter.
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Dr. Melvin "Vince" Goodrum, N.D circa 2009
Oh, the doctor stands for naturopathy and not a PhD. Quite achievable but I doubt the lads here will accept that they will have to call you doctor Melvin Goodrum. Dr Versace has a nice ring about it, though.
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hahhaha hes about the worst Getbig member on here.
Nobody likes him and hes about as fat as Dante` if not fatter.
hahahaha yes TA, Bluto is quite the bottom bitch.
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hahahaha yes TA, Bluto is quite the bottom bitch.
We should do a poll on who is the most hated member of Getbig .. I think Adonis would win cause he is delusional then Bezerkfury would be up there cause he blows alot of the squandrans on a daily basis.
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We should do a poll on who is the most hated member of Getbig .. I think Adonis would win cause he is delusional then Bezerkfury would be up there cause he blows alot of the squandrans on a daily basis.
Yes JaeJonna, don't be upset because I shit all over you on a daily basis.
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Heres your boyfriend then Broadstreet, ha ha ha
(http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_tater_5.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=93355.0;attach=101361;image)
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You know about Drugs, thats about all you are good for.
perfect example: thank you Adonis!! thats the type of idiots that are making this bb site more and more obsolete
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Maybe you should become a guru. Charge people $300 up front, and in return send them your full program, conveniently distilled down to five words: "Run a calorie deficit, dumbass!" ;D
big smile: now that is funny!!!
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We should do a poll on who is the most hated member of Getbig .. I think Adonis would win cause he is delusional then Bezerkfury would be up there cause he blows alot of the squandrans on a daily basis.
i do know that you'd win the poll on Most Laughable Picture on Getbig.
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i do know that you'd win the poll on Most Laughable Picture on Getbig.
I cant say who would, daddywaddy (aka your ayran brother) has himself grabing his manhood, any adonis close up pic and canidate are all pretty much tied....but coming from a 34 yr. who will never post a pic ...doesnt mean anything to them .. :-*
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Once again, a brilliant rebuttal by Adonis that clearly vindicates him of all evidence of his blatant lying ::)
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perfect example: thank you Adonis!! thats the type of idiots that are making this bb site more and more obsolete
Check the Getbig Stats. I believe Membership and site traffic has gone off the charts the past few weeks and months.....
I wonder why :o hmmmmm
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Check the Getbig Stats. I believe Membership and site traffic has gone off the charts the past few weeks and months.....
I wonder why :o hmmmmm
oh brother, you sound like Rhino .... hahaha
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You will speak my name among the world`s greatest scientists one day...
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Well, I have to say, well played. Up until now I had actually believed you were serious this whole time. Now I can see that this is all a big joke. That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. ;D
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oh brother, you sound like Rhino .... hahaha
hahah ok fatty
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Dogcrap
Let me ask a question, why would you bother getting into a discussion with TA and his assorted alters about this. Either he is joking about the whole thing or he's the worlds biggest online retard (which from the fact that he gets into a conversations with his online imaginary online girlfriend alter and lives in his grandmas back room may just be the case). Now granted, you're not the smartest guy out there (based upon your marketing scheme of labeling yourself "dogcrap") but you have to be smart enough to see this. Either way, its a riot to watch you dildos arguing your points. Carry on.
It absolutely amazing to me Adonis, Bast et all that you are overlooking the simple fact of thermogenisis via protein
"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
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I cant say who would, daddywaddy (aka your ayran brother) has himself grabing his manhood, any adonis close up pic and canidate are all pretty much tied....but coming from a 34 yr. who will never post a pic ...doesnt mean anything to them .. :-*
c'mon be more respectful, he's got 10,000+ posts... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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hahah ok fatty
Adonis,
Mickey Mouse called, wants his EARS back ...
hahahahahahahahahah
monster ears !!!!!!!!!!
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Some guy who eats ice cream is arguing with the Doggcrap guru
Oh ok! ::)
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did you have a gay old time with your musclebear on vacation "bluto", hahahahaha.
vacation was good. thanks for asking.
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vacation was good. thanks for asking.
hahahaha, brutal stalking.
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hahahaha, brutal stalking.
Speaking of stalking, why don't you get off Blutos nuts and sign up for the contest you fatfuck. You vs. me Tubby, loser deletes their account. You Big Pussy.
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Speaking of stalking, why don't you get off Blutos nuts and sign up for the contest you fatfuck. You vs. me Tubby, loser deletes their account. You Big Pussy.
Sarcasm is a 40 year old nobody hahahahahaha he would never take a pic of himself cause he recieves all the insults he spews here hahahahah
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Speaking of stalking, why don't you get off Blutos nuts and sign up for the contest you fatfuck. You vs. me Tubby, loser deletes their account. You Big Pussy.
hahahaha, italicized letters, name calling meltdown.
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hahahaha, italicized letters, name calling meltdown.
So is that a yes to his Danielson's challenge? Or are you going ot prove him right and be a pussy?
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hahahaha, italicized letters, name calling meltdown.
all this soming from the invisible man ahahahahah
invisible= fat hahahahha
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So is that a yes to his Danielson's challenge? Or are you going ot prove him right and be a pussy?
not in this lifetime, he is a fat dude in his 40s
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Your line of logic does not make sense.
adonis you do not have any common sence, you see that facts precented to you and you fail to admit it
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Sarcasm is a 40 year old nobody hahahahahaha he would never take a pic of himself cause he recieves all the insults he spews here hahahahah
hahahahah MELTDOWN.
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Team Adonis and Friends would buy this f**cker way before Dante` would even get a bid in.
Team Adonis+ is self sustain team fully integrated with the top notch , Latest technology gurus, state of the art equipped, fully staff by p.h.d imaginary members
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Its a scientific fact genius.
woops I can smell a and ass wipped comming, let him have it please Milos!!!
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Oh uh, sarcasm getting owned again and only ButtmunchFury to back him? Ouch! :)
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lets keep this threa on track, whos gonna win wheres kamali gonna place at the olympia?
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run may own getbig
but he doesnt run it :D
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classic thread, and no doggcrapp never bought getbig. ;D
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DC makes the argument that this place would STILL be popular if 'the pros' posted here again and half of the 'troublemakers' LEFT due to the restraint.
I disagree. This place is so wildly popular because of the yahoos here. Not many Pros post here but we like it like that. The ones that do...do so at their own risk as they know the reputation here.
One thing for sure...ALL of 'the pros' READ this board on a daily basis.
The entire industry does and Ron Himself knows it.
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DC makes the argument that this place would STILL be popular if 'the pros' posted here again and half of the 'troublemakers' LEFT due to the restraint.
I disagree. This place is so wildly popular because of the yahoos here. Not many Pros post here but we like it like that. The ones that do...do so at their own risk as they know the reputation here.
One thing for sure...ALL of 'the pros' READ this board on a daily basis.
The entire industry does and Ron Himself knows it.
so true, even major sports brands read it aswell.
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so true, even major sports brands read it aswell.
Right! PUMA seen the popularity of this site and signed The King to a great deal!
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It's true. At first I thought that talk about Kamali's deal was BS. But when I read it on here AND on Mayhem, I knew it had to be true.
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DC makes the argument that this place would STILL be popular if 'the pros' posted here again and half of the 'troublemakers' LEFT due to the restraint.
I disagree. This place is so wildly popular because of the yahoos here. Not many Pros post here but we like it like that. The ones that do...do so at their own risk as they know the reputation here.
One thing for sure...ALL of 'the pros' READ this board on a daily basis.
The entire industry does and Ron Himself knows it.
True true. i feel bad about the horrible shit i post about about Cutler sometimes because there's a good chance he reads it.
So Jay, just so you know, I don't think you are as bad as I say, i just say that shit to bust the Cutler guy's balls
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nothing good can come from reviving this thread. Let the olive oil, rinsed beef and rack chin jokes begin!!!!!!!
thanks alot DP and blockhead.......oh, brother.
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You guys tried to start your own site already (TWICE) and they both failed miserably. Do you think that might be a clue that you are not the draw at getbig at all? You need this site, this site doesnt need you. Im not talking a spartan existence at all, Im all for freedom of speech, but im also for shoving the disorderly conduct individual out the door too.
Im talking about bringing every pro that used to post here back (and there were alot of them--20-30 or so back in the day--- now the only 2 you have regularly posting are the 2 that dont like chad--shawn and lee). Its up to Ron - even if he doesnt sell it maybe he will realize that getbigs draw (was) the pros and top am's that used to post here
lol dont you have 800grams of protein to eat?
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ok, i read all 21 pages of that mess and from my own observance, here is what i think:
i think it says ALOT about 'pros' who would only post here is certain people were gone and certain stuff wasnt allowed. so jay cutler will post on here if there are 100 posts of "hey dude congrats!" and shit like that but not if he gets any criticism? at least chick and milos take the shit and give it back a lot of the time.
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ok, i read all 21 pages of that mess and from my own observance, here is what i think:
i think it says ALOT about 'pros' who would only post here is certain people were gone and certain stuff wasnt allowed. so jay cutler will post on here if there are 100 posts of "hey dude congrats!" and shit like that but not if he gets any criticism? at least chick and milos take the shit and give it back a lot of the time.
WORD!
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it's not really about kissing ass. I didn't reread everyhting but it's about a little common curtosy. Mention Mark Dugdale and what are you gonna get around here? Why would anyone who puts out anything about themselves post here? Lee Priest doesn't even post here anymore. Why do you think that is? I have spoken to a ton of guys that are pretty well known in BB and as long as you treat them with a little respect it's all good.
that just won't happen here.
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ok, i read all 21 pages of that mess and from my own observance, here is what i think:
i think it says ALOT about 'pros' who would only post here is certain people were gone and certain stuff wasnt allowed. so jay cutler will post on here if there are 100 posts of "hey dude congrats!" and shit like that but not if he gets any criticism? at least chick and milos take the shit and give it back a lot of the time.
Well said.
We may give Milos shit but at the end of the day...Bob, Milos and Chick and Co. are well loved here. BECAUSE they break balls right back!
Did you guys know that LOTS of pros...including The King have GIMMICK accounts here so they could walk freely undetected among the wolves here?
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Well said.
We may give Milos shit but at the end of the day...Bob, Milos and Chick and Co. are well loved here. BECAUSE they break balls right back!
Did you guys know that LOTS of pros...including The King have GIMMICK accounts here so they could walk freely undetected among the wolves here?
of course.I.have identified several gimmicks that "pros" use.
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The raw truth is people who have won titles don't want to be a target for the treatment and testing that goes on here. Guys stir the crap out of the champs and if they crack then they are owned. In the meantime, the jackels attack each other when there is no one else to taunt.
This place is like the Jerry Springer Show. He said you would have to be nuts to go onto his show. Ditto for posting on Getbig as yourself. That is why the default MO is anonymity. The result is the crap we all seem endure here.
What I can never comprehend is how entertaining threads re Goodrum are moved whereas crap threads about skinny Sheilas with fake tits are allowed to stay up.
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The raw truth is people who have won titles don't want to be a target for the treatment and testing that goes on here. Guys stir the crap out of the champs and if they crack then they are owned. In the meantime, the jackels attack each other when there is no one else to taunt.
This place is like the Jerry Springer Show. He said you would have to be nuts to go onto his show. Ditto for posting on Getbig as yourself. That is why the default MO is anonymity. The result is the crap we all seem endure here.
What I can never comprehend is how entertaining threads re Goodrum are moved whereas crap threads about skinny Sheilas with fake tits are allowed to stay up.
you sound like a woman sometimes Vince, you're wayyyyyy too sensitive, smoke a joint, get laid, do some fucckin' thing will ya.
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you sound like a woman sometimes Vince, you're wayyyyyy too sensitive, smoke a joint, get laid, do some fucckin' thing will ya.
Maybe you could treat him right tonight instead of the usually nose to cheeks resuscitation.
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What makes me laugh is the feeble stirring that occurs here, even to me. Nobody does that face to face in my gym. I would love the squad heroes to show up and have a chat at my gym. Should be fun.
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What makes me laugh is the feeble stirring that occurs here, even to me. Nobody does that face to face in my gym. I would love the squad heroes to show up and have a chat at my gym. Should be fun.
i just put an old guy like you in his place today when he was taking up my squat rack when i needed to squat.
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of course.I.have identified several gimmicks that "pros" use.
i bet one of them is "The True Adonis" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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ron avidan has to be crazy and out of his mind to sell the rights to this site to any one,,this site has the highest traffic a bodybuilding site has on the whole internet,,EVERY ONE COME HERE WETHER ON FAKE ID OR REAL ONE,,EVERY ONE FROM ANY OTHER BOARD IS HERE
he can also charge admition fee of 5$ a month from each member,, and this site will still grow like a monster,,,
you talkin about 10 years here my friends,,this site was around alot before chad ruined orville physiqe,and thats was long long time ago
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he can also charge admition fee of 5$ a month from each member,, and this site will still grow like a monster,,,
You need to come off the cycle now, Chief...
I love Getbig and don't bother with any other sites. But if I'm not willing to pay $60 a year for National Public Radio, you think I'm going to pay it to hear more of Squadfather's gym owning stories?
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You need to come off the cycle now, Chief...
But if I'm not willing to pay $60 a year for National Public Radio, you think I'm going to pay it to hear more of Squadfather's gym owning stories?
Shame on you ribonucleic, you're the reason why I turned on my radio, drive home a listen to a fucking "pledge" for 20 mins
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It absolutely amazing to me Adonis, Bast et all that you are overlooking the simple fact of thermogenisis via protein
"For some foods this is a very easy process, as in the case of fat with only 2% of the energy ingested from fat lost in the process of its digestion. Fat therefore has a very minimal thermic effect. In the case of carbohydrate, the thermic effect is around 8%. Although absolutely essential to the body for growth, tissue regeneration and supporting the immune system, protein is hard to process and has the highest thermic effect, at around 30%. That means that in a diet based largely on protein, such as a high-protein low-carb diet, the body burns 30% more calories a day, simply on digestion, translating to an elevated metabolic rate!"
So you guys keep eating that ice cream, Ill stick with my gameplan which is for every 100 calories of protein you take in it takes up to 25-33 calories thru digestion to process that protein, and only 3-4 for carbs and 2-3 for fats....further that along with a very high water intake and I'm creating human muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. You keep saying someone can only gain 1-3lbs of muscle mass a year naturally...I can see exactly why when you allow all aspects of homeostasis to take place.
This is absolutely, positively correct. The caloric expedenture involved in metabolising protein is well-kown. There is a simple empirical procedure to demonstrate this. Assume a man needs 2400 calories a day for sustenance. I reality, he only needs 2000, with the added 400 being required for compensating the caloric expedenture of metabolisation. Now, completely eliminate carbohydrates and fats from the body, and feed the man with 2400 calories a day from pure protein. What happens? He will start losing weight, because 800 of those 2400 calories from protein will be used in metabolising the protein, thus incurring in a daily caloric deficit of 400 calories. The reason for this is that the figure of 2400 calories is factored in as only 25% of those calories coming from protein and the rest from fat and carbohydrates - and both fat and carbohydrates require far less calories to be processed than protein -, adding up to a total of 400 calories required for properly process and absorb 2000. This is why guys on high protein diets that are only mild in claories lose weight and muscle: so may calories are required to process the protein, that the body breaks down muscle tissue to process it and make up for the calories expeded in processing it. Dante is 100%, absolutely correct.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I like you Goodrum,
But I am not going to bother on wasting my time since you want to argue against Scientific Fact..
And for your information,
The greatest Athlete in Swimming,Michael Phelps eats every single meal at Mcdonalds.
You really are stupid....The greatest athlete in Swimming is Ian Thorpe. Get your facts straight