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Title: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
1. Eggs
2. Chicken
3. Beef

4. Pork

Fish? ???
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Marty Champions on December 08, 2012, 02:34:47 PM
if someone figured it out you know by now , and they would eat nothing but said meat choice 6 times a day growing and progressing every single workout !
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 02:36:25 PM
if someone figured it out you know by now , and they would eat nothing but said meat choice 6 times a day growing and progressing every single workout !

Thank you Falcon Sensai... I guess the quest continues
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 08, 2012, 02:37:35 PM
Alaska Pollock is much higher than pork
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Jav on December 08, 2012, 02:38:17 PM
1. Egg
2. Chicken/Turkey
3. Beef
4. Fish (Number 1 if dieting)
5. Fuck knows
6. Fuck knows
7. Fuck knows
8. Fuck knows
9. Fuck knows
10. Pork
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
Thank you fellas, that's what I guessed!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: mass243 on December 08, 2012, 02:45:00 PM


I remember Jay Cutler eating shitloads of just fish while dieting...
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: mass243 on December 08, 2012, 02:49:53 PM

Plus why are eggs supposedly numba one ?
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 02:52:28 PM
Plus why are eggs supposedly numba one ?

Most complete Amino Acid profile?

Did I just make that up?  I have no idea...
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Jav on December 08, 2012, 02:53:15 PM
Plus why are eggs supposedly numba one ?

contains all essential amino acids making it the most complete source of protien. Along with protien shakes I guess, but i was under the impression we're just talking soild foods here!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: G_Thang on December 08, 2012, 04:22:35 PM

I remember Jay Cutler eating shitloads of just fish while dieting...

he also drinks a lot of grape juice, so there goes getwhite's theory about negros and the purple drink.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 08, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
contains all essential amino acids making it the most complete source of protien. Along with protien shakes I guess, but i was under the impression we're just talking soild foods here!
In terms of bodybuilding eggs are garbage. yes highest in complete protein but shit to digest and so is red meat.

Fish is number 1 followed by chicken breast.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
In terms of bodybuilding eggs are garbage. yes highest in complete protein but shit to digest and so is red meat.

Fish is number 1 followed by chicken breast.

Are you fucking serious?  This definitely changes things for me?

Really?

???
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: nefario on December 08, 2012, 05:01:25 PM
Fish is definitely high on the list. Amongst other things, its relatively high taurine content is beneficial for bb purposes.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Nicademus on December 08, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
I don't agree eggs are garbage.  Whey should be in this list as well.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
http://www.dsfacts.com/protein.html (http://www.dsfacts.com/protein.html)


Bioavailability of Protein Types

Bioavailability refers to the protein's ability to be used by the body and it is measured by Biological Value (BV). The higher the BV, the more bioavailable the protein. The BV numbers below demonstrate how easily the body (pre-DS) can absorb these protein types. The last few protein types mentioned on the list would need to be blended to make a complete protein.
whey blended products, BV 100-159
whey, BV 104
egg, BV 100
cow's milk, BV 91
egg white, BV 88
beef, BV 80
fish, BV 79
chicken, BV 77
casein, BV 77
soy, BV 74
potato, BV 71
rice, BV 59
wheat, BV 54
beans, BV 49
peanuts, BV 43
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: 240 is Back on December 08, 2012, 05:06:00 PM

I remember Jay Cutler eating shitloads of just fish while dieting...

Ray never took fish seriously, never got his omega 3s.   We see the results, how many sandows does he have?
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 05:07:04 PM
http://www.dsfacts.com/protein.html (http://www.dsfacts.com/protein.html)


Bioavailability of Protein Types

Bioavailability refers to the protein's ability to be used by the body and it is measured by Biological Value (BV). The higher the BV, the more bioavailable the protein. The BV numbers below demonstrate how easily the body (pre-DS) can absorb these protein types. The last few protein types mentioned on the list would need to be blended to make a complete protein.
whey blended products, BV 100-159
whey, BV 104
egg, BV 100
cow's milk, BV 91
egg white, BV 88
beef, BV 80
fish, BV 79
chicken, BV 77
casein, BV 77
soy, BV 74
potato, BV 71
rice, BV 59
wheat, BV 54
beans, BV 49
peanuts, BV 43

Thank you sir, very helpful!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 08, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
if someone figured it out you know by now , and they would eat nothing but said meat choice 6 times a day growing and progressing every single workout !
6 is beans and rice right Mr Falcon? I see more bald people in the world today could have to do with 1-4 meat eating.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 05:08:01 PM
Ray never took fish seriously, never got his omega 3s.   We see the results, how many sandows does he have?

Ray never took life seriously...  ::)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 05:16:04 PM
Thank you sir, very helpful!


no worries.. google is smart
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 05:52:51 PM
What about Sashimi?  Raw fish?

???
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 08, 2012, 05:54:23 PM
Are you fucking serious?  This definitely changes things for me?

Really?

???
Yes in terms of bodybuilding, digestibility is everything and eggs do not digest well. They give you gas, they make you have the runs, they can have 100 on the BV but I guarantee fish, although lower, equals more protein being absorbed. Rule of thumb, if a food creates rock hard shits then you digest it well and if it gives you the runs then you did not digest it well.

Now fish is not good for everyone, some people have poor digestive enzymes for fish so it is not a good choice for them, like being lactose intolerant only we are talking about fish. Also if you have not eaten fish in a long time it might take a few days for your digestive system to get used to it but after that it is smooth sailing. When I eat nothing but talipia fish and chicken breast, my shits are hard as granite and my stomach is strong, very little gas, no pains, like I said smooth sailing.

Now as far as the biological value chart is concerned, is it important? yes but it is only half the story, your digestibility is the other half.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 05:57:08 PM
i've been eating 8-10 whole eggs/day lately... no issues
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 08, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
i've been eating 8-10 whole eggs/day lately... no issues
Some can handle it, others can not, question; do eggs give you gas, if so then it is an important sign that your body is having trouble digesting it. If eggs do not give you gas then you are in the minority.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
Yes in terms of bodybuilding, digestibility is everything and eggs do not digest well. They give you gas, they make you have the runs, they can have 100 on the BV but I guarantee fish, although lower, equals more protein being absorbed. Rule of thumb, if a food creates rock hard shits then you digest it well and if it gives you the runs then you did not digest it well.

Now fish is not good for everyone, some people have poor digestive enzymes for fish so it is not a good choice for them, like being lactose intolerant only we are talking about fish. Also if you have not eaten fish in a long time it might take a few days for your digestive system to get used to it but after that it is smooth sailing. When I eat nothing but talipia fish and chicken breast, my shits are hard as granite and my stomach is strong, very little gas, no pains, like I said smooth sailing.

Now as far as the biological value chart is concerned, is it important? yes but it is only half the story, your digestibility is the other half.

Wow... that's interesting as hell!

I've definitely noticed the difference in consistency of my shit.  Are the rock hard shits unhealthy?  Do they cause constipation?

I fucking love fish anyway, Salmon, Tuna, Cod, Talipia (cheap and okay)... I could eat Sushi all day everyday.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 06:10:40 PM
Some can handle it, others can not, question; do eggs give you gas, if so then it is an important sign that your body is having trouble digesting it. If eggs do not give you gas then you are in the minority.


i agree with you there... i get almost no gas ever... nothing extra from eggs (even though i egg them boiled more often then anything else now)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 08, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
Constipation is not the results of hard shits but rather hard shits are the results of constipation. So if you are constipated then the food is forced to stay in the intestines and stomach longer causing more digestive time creating a rock hard shit. So yes I get hard rock shits from fish and chicken breast but no I do not get constipation.

Fuck I feel wierd talking about my shits, lol  ;D
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 08, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
i would suggest that beyond fiber content in the diet, hydration is a primary concern in maintaining healthy digestion... i know that when i'm eating 250g of protein/day i need to drink a lot less water than when i am eating 350g...
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 08, 2012, 06:17:35 PM
i would suggest that beyond fiber content in the diet, hydration is a primary concern in maintaining healthy digestion... i know that when i'm eating 250g of protein/day i need to drink a lot less water than when i am eating 350g...
Extremely important
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 08, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 07:41:14 AM
i noticed that pork was not on the list i provided... it is highly bioavailable as well...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20023140 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20023140)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: SilverSpoon on December 09, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
Onetimehard, why not just take digestive enzymes with your meals?

Enzymes and Apple Cider Vinegar work wonders when bulking, or anytime really.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: the trainer on December 09, 2012, 09:38:33 AM
First you hit the massage parlor and the asian chick gives you happy ending then you hit the sushi restaurant and the asian guy gives you fish.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 09, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Yes in terms of bodybuilding, digestibility is everything and eggs do not digest well. They give you gas, they make you have the runs, they can have 100 on the BV but I guarantee fish, although lower, equals more protein being absorbed. Rule of thumb, if a food creates rock hard shits then you digest it well and if it gives you the runs then you did not digest it well.
Now fish is not good for everyone, some people have poor digestive enzymes for fish so it is not a good choice for them, like being lactose intolerant only we are talking about fish. Also if you have not eaten fish in a long time it might take a few days for your digestive system to get used to it but after that it is smooth sailing. When I eat nothing but talipia fish and chicken breast, my shits are hard as granite and my stomach is strong, very little gas, no pains, like I said smooth sailing.

Now as far as the biological value chart is concerned, is it important? yes but it is only half the story, your digestibility is the other half.

I've been eating whole eggs since I was a teen and never had these problems.  Most often it's what's eaten with the eggs that is causing the gas and other problems.  If a persons diet is high in fiber there should be no bowel problems at all. 
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 09, 2012, 10:09:58 AM
If a persons diet is high in fiber there should be no bowel problems at all. 

Well, fiber is what gives me problems. Talk about gas and loose shits!

I have no problems with eggs, raw or cooked, but if combined with say oatmeal then it's disaster.

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 09, 2012, 11:08:38 AM
First you hit the massage parlor and the asian chick gives you happy ending then you hit the sushi restaurant and the asian guy gives you fish.

Good, will do!  :D
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Tapeworm on December 09, 2012, 11:23:57 AM
Fish makes me horny.  Guess that's a good sign unless you happen to be in the room with me.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: whataname on December 09, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Fish makes me horny.  Guess that's a good sign unless you happen to be in the room with me.

maybe the tuna smell when you open the can reminds you to a wet shaved pussy.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mothballs on December 09, 2012, 01:32:22 PM
Some can handle it, others can not, question; do eggs give you gas, if so then it is an important sign that your body is having trouble digesting it. If eggs do not give you gas then you are in the minority.

Are you talking about real whole eggs or pasturized egg whites??


I know of many guys who complain of egg whites giving them problems. But rarely do whole eggs ever give me or anyone I know digestive issues.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Look fellows, you have 3 - 4 people here claiming they don't have problems with eggs, OK that's great you guys are the exception not the norm.

Eggs give the majority of people gas, you know egg farts, eggs have a bad rep for gas, if you guys don't get gas from eating eggs then your body is digesting them well but for the majority of us that eat eggs, we will be farting all day long.

Well, fiber is what gives me problems. Talk about gas and loose shits!

I have no problems with eggs, raw or cooked, but if combined with say oatmeal then it's disaster.


Now as for fibre, again everyone is different it may help some but for me like Van B above said, creates enormous problems.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 02:24:40 PM
Are you talking about real whole eggs or pasturized egg whites??


I know of many guys who complain of egg whites giving them problems. But rarely do whole eggs ever give me or anyone I know digestive issues.
So basically what you are claiming is everyone you know who eats eggs does not get egg farts, wow, I would like to come and live on your planet cause everyone I know that eats eggs blows up the house.  ;D

Family Feud;

What foods give you the most gas?

Answer and the majarity of the people answers Eggs, second best answer beans.

Eggs are known for farts but all of a sudden getbig eat eggs and they don`t fart, only on getbig.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 02:28:16 PM
the only time i get egg farts is if i pig out on pickled eggs while chugging draft beer... then i can clear grand central...


i don't consider that a problem though... more like hilarious
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mothballs on December 09, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
So basically what you are claiming is everyone you know who eats eggs does not get egg farts, wow, I would like to come and live on your planet cause everyone I know that eats eggs blows up the house.  ;D

Family Feud;

What foods give you the most gas?

Answer and the majarity of the people answers Eggs, second best answer beans.

Eggs are known for farts but all of a sudden getbig eat eggs and they don`t fart, only on getbig.

Are you serious? Beans give people 10 x's the amount of gas as eggs.

Its laughable that you think eggs give people gas like beans do.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one because I can eat eggs all day and not fart once. Oh yea everyone who I live with also eats eggs on an almost daily basis and none of us get gas after, I guess I'll just stay on this great smelling planet that I'm on and avoid wherever you live.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
No we will not agree to disagree, this is not an opinion based subject bro. Do eggs give you gas? you said no and guess what I believe you. You have an awesome digestive system that allows you to eat eggs without gas but brother you are the exception. Most people that eat eggs get gas,  this is not opinion, this is a fact, very few people who eat eggs don`t far, this is a fact for the majority of us.

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 03:19:27 PM
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Here you go, 2 min 15 sec, please watch. wooooooooooooooooosh
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 03:33:22 PM
Now George Farah later on in the same video says, don`t put shit into your bodies, if you buy a Ferrari then put the best shit in it, then he says if you want to sit on the toilet all day long then eat egg whites. He also says they give diarrhea.

So bottom line is egg whites are shit protein for bodybuilders, most pros will agree with this.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Montague on December 09, 2012, 04:19:30 PM
Now George Farah later on in the same video says, don`t put shit into your bodies, if you buy a Ferrari then put the best shit in it, then he says if you want to sit on the toilet all day long then eat egg whites. He also says they give diarrhea.

So bottom line is egg whites are shit protein for bodybuilders, most pros will agree with this.


I normally drink 6 whole eggs each morning. I never experience any significant gas or discomfort. Twice, I tried drinking the equivalent volume of whites only (12 whites) and suffered severe gastric distress both times.

There's a lot to be said regarding the digestive benefits of the yolks; be it a matter of the yolk being easier to digest, the fat aiding digestion of the whites, or a combination of both and possibly other factors.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Rudee on December 09, 2012, 04:25:30 PM
Yes in terms of bodybuilding, digestibility is everything and eggs do not digest well. They give you gas,

You mean they give YOU gas.  Just because you have trouble digesting eggs doesn't mean the rest of the population does.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
You mean they give YOU gas.  Just because you have trouble digesting eggs doesn't mean the rest of the population does.
No they give 7-10 people gas, stop playing dumb here. Eggs and gas are common as hell.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
montague has a good point...

i tend to eat whole eggs... not whites alone
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 04:44:43 PM
You mean they give YOU gas.  Just because you have trouble digesting eggs doesn't mean the rest of the population does.
What Foods Make You Fart?
By: GottaHaveIt
Break Studios Contributing Writer
If you're in a new relationship and thinking of some overnighters with your new love, you might want to have a list of what foods make you fart so you don't embarrass yourself and gas her. The below foods will increase gas in your system so you might want to steer clear for 12 to 24 hours before spending the night.
One of the most common foods that will make you fart is eggs. And, these are not silent-but-deadly smedleys - these are the nasty, green type of fart that sort of fills the room. Stay clear especially of any foods made with eggs and mayonnaise (another prime offender) such as deviled eggs or egg salad.


From a study at askapedia;

There are some foods that can get the bacteria in your intestines really active for various reasons.  For example beans produce farts because they contain a sugar that we can’t digest, you could think of it as a treat for the bacteria in your intestines, since they don’t get sugar very often.  Other foods you may want to try are: corn, bell peppers, cauliflower, cabbage, milk (mainly if you’re lactose intolerant), bread, eggs, beer, and raisins.



So I have George Farah, the guy that brought 5 out of the top ten bodybuilders in the world to the Olympia. Say eggs give you gas

I have two studies above that say eggs give the most gas

I have family fued doing a poll and coming up with the majority people in a survey will state that eggs gives the most gas

and my personal experience as competitive bodybuilder says eggs gives them gas.

I bring people into contest shape for show, I prep lots of people and the biggest complains I used to get from people is egge, they complain about the eggs making them fart, especially the figure girls and the bikini girls, they hate eggs cause of gas and digestive problems.


But still you guys want to keep a silly argument up that eggs don`t cause gas in most people  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 04:49:59 PM
bikini girl farts are kinda cute
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 09, 2012, 05:00:56 PM
bikini girl farts are kinda cute
;D ;D
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mothballs on December 09, 2012, 07:12:19 PM
No we will not agree to disagree, this is not an opinion based subject bro. Do eggs give you gas? you said no and guess what I believe you. You have an awesome digestive system that allows you to eat eggs without gas but brother you are the exception. Most people that eat eggs get gas,  this is not opinion, this is a fact, very few people who eat eggs don`t far, this is a fact for the majority of us.



take a minute and read this bro.

eggs arent even mentioned. they mostly mention sugars, starches, and foods high in fiber which are FAR MORE KNOWN to upset the digestive tract then eggs are.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gas/
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Mothballs on December 09, 2012, 07:14:52 PM
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Here you go, 2 min 15 sec, please watch. wooooooooooooooooosh

Bro you are talking about PASTURIZED EGG WHITES! not whole eggs.

Regular eggs dont give most people gas. For whatever reason liquid egg whites do.

You have to clarify bro.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: el numero uno on December 09, 2012, 07:29:57 PM

I normally drink 6 whole eggs each morning. I never experience any significant gas or discomfort. Twice, I tried drinking the equivalent volume of whites only (12 whites) and suffered severe gastric distress both times.

There's a lot to be said regarding the digestive benefits of the yolks; be it a matter of the yolk being easier to digest, the fat aiding digestion of the whites, or a combination of both and possibly other factors.

I've noticed that as well, eating the yolk benefits the digestion.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 09, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
Nothing wrong with having a nice Fart in the chamber in case you need it. for the blacks

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: el numero uno on December 09, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
I can't eat more than 4-5 egg whites because the give me diarrhea. I don't know how some of you can eat >10 egg whites without being in the toilet all day.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: booty on December 10, 2012, 04:01:19 AM
I haven't eaten any other protein for the past two months except for fish/ calamari/prawns and egg whites. 
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 04:03:39 AM
Bodybuilding is 100% nutrition, but only if you don't eat.  -arthur jones
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Montague on December 10, 2012, 05:08:09 AM
I've noticed that as well, eating the yolk benefits the digestion.


Even as far back as the 60's, "bodybuilding nutritional experts" recommended consuming protein with healthy fats to facilitate proper absorption and digestion. That's when it was very popular to mix powders with heavy cream and whole eggs. The best powders contained whole milk and whole egg solids.

I currently use a powder that includes whole eggs in the blend, and I sometimes mix it with more raw eggs to make a "pudding." I never have any issues. But, as I mentioned above, drinking only whites gives me big problems.

You can buy pasteurized whole eggs in cartons similar to Egg Beaters. I don't know if EB makes them, but I've found generic/off-brand cartons for a reasonable price. Unlike it's white counterpart, these have a strong taste - very salty. I don't know how it would mix in a shake. Whole egg powder has a salty flavor, too. If you ever purchase it, you may want to cut it with some smoother-tasting derivatives like whey or casein, and choose extra flavoring if the supplier offers it.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
lol at ppl asking whats best protein, when they cant even stand through a diet over extended periods of time.

just eat clean for months and years , do some gear, eat enough of any protein and the results will show.

lol@best protein.

Don't make fun of me you fucker!!!  >:( >:( >:(









 ;D
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 10, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Look fellows, you have 3 - 4 people here claiming they don't have problems with eggs, OK that's great you guys are the exception not the norm.

Eggs give the majority of people gas, you know egg farts, eggs have a bad rep for gas, if you guys don't get gas from eating eggs then your body is digesting them well but for the majority of us that eat eggs, we will be farting all day long.
Now as for fibre, again everyone is different it may help some but for me like Van B above said, creates enormous problems.

Hahaha, what a fucking tool. You do realize the gas comes from the sulphuric compounds in the yolk that give it that "eggy" smell.  it is not the protein causing you the issue.  Eating dozens of eggs will give you the runs, but again, not the protein but the 100 grams of pure fat you ingested from the yolk. 
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 10, 2012, 05:46:02 PM
Hahaha, what a fucking tool. You do realize the gas comes from the sulphuric compounds in the yolk that give it that "eggy" smell.  it is not the protein causing you the issue.  Eating dozens of eggs will give you the runs, but again, not the protein but the 100 grams of pure fat you ingested from the yolk. 
gawd dam you are fucken dumb, real dumb,, aaaahhh NO SHIT SHERLOCK, wow, first of all the white is what is hard to digest and the yolk is easy to digest so overall it creates a balance, any ingredient in a food that is hard to digest, makes your system work harder hence making the food as a whole less absorbed you dumbass. So because of the sulpheric compounds a lot of the protein is not being absorbed stupid. Also MR. BRAINIAC if you have dhieria then your absortion rate for protein is severly altered, so it does not matter what causes the runs, if you eat any source of protein while you have the runs it won't digest properly and will not be absorbed effectively.

Any more retards on this thread, when you start bringing in people shredded at shows then you can claim to know what the fuck your talking about until then STFU tool lol :-*
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 07:18:42 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6636643

Vopr Pitan. 1983 Sep-Oct;(5):46-9.
[Biological value of protein from raw fish and canned fish].
[Article in Russian]
Ganoviak ZM, Lipka EM.
Abstract

The authors evaluated the nutritive value of protein from 4 kinds of raw fish (herring, cod, mackerel, sprat) and its preserves. Experiments were made on rats fed the diets containing fish protein (8-10% of the total diet). Experiments included the determination of apparent and genuine digestibility, net protein utilization, and net dietary protein caloric value. Evidence was obtained that protein from fish and its preserves is characterized by high digestibility coefficient as compared with casein and egg powder. The highest net protein utilization was noted in animal groups fed the diet containing protein from raw fish. Protein assimilability from fish preserves was on the average 15% lower than that from raw fish.

PMID:
    6636643
    [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 10, 2012, 07:20:29 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6636643

Vopr Pitan. 1983 Sep-Oct;(5):46-9.
[Biological value of protein from raw fish and canned fish].
[Article in Russian]
Ganoviak ZM, Lipka EM.
Abstract

The authors evaluated the nutritive value of protein from 4 kinds of raw fish (herring, cod, mackerel, sprat) and its preserves. Experiments were made on rats fed the diets containing fish protein (8-10% of the total diet). Experiments included the determination of apparent and genuine digestibility, net protein utilization, and net dietary protein caloric value. Evidence was obtained that protein from fish and its preserves is characterized by high digestibility coefficient as compared with casein and egg powder. The highest net protein utilization was noted in animal groups fed the diet containing protein from raw fish. Protein assimilability from fish preserves was on the average 15% lower than that from raw fish.

PMID:
    6636643
    [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


sashimi for lunch tomorrow!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 07:22:05 PM

sashimi for lunch tomorrow!

:D

I want to like you (no homo), can you please quit being a douche?
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 07:25:14 PM
Malays J Nutr. 2007 Sep;13(2):171-7. Epub 2007 Sep 15.
Protein quality of anchovy, mackerel and canned sardine samples.
Babji AS Jr, Aidilla M, Gugapreya C, Lai CJ, Nur Bazlina B, Cahyana C, Nor Hayati CP, Suriati Z.
Source

School of Chemical Sciences and Food Technology, FST, Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, 43600 Bangi, Malaysia.
Abstract

The protein nutritive value of anchovy, mackerel and canned sardine samples together with casein as a reference formulation were evaluated. Proximate composition, protein quality and protein digestibility were determined. Procedures for evaluation included Protein Efficiency Ratio (PER) using the rat bioassay and in vivo Apparent Digestibility (AD). Rats fed with canned sardine diet had the highest mean body weight (154.8±12.28g) while rats fed with anchovy diet had the lowest mean body weight (145.27±15.89g) with significant differences between all the groups. Mean body weight of rats fed with selected fish diet was higher compared to rats fed with casein diet. For PER value, canned sardine has the highest value (2.48), followed by anchovy (2.46) and mackerel (2.34). PER value for all selected fish is lower than that for casein (3.14). Mackerel had the highest value of in vivo AD (96.99%), followed by casein (96.96%), canned sardine (96.88%) and anchovy (91.29%). In conclusion, among the types of fish compared, sardine had the highest protein quality while mackerel showed the highest digestibility.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 08:24:54 PM
Speak on this getbig!


Is Fish king?


Should I lay off the eggs and focus on FISH?



???

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 10, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
Speak on this getbig!


Is Fish king?


Should I lay off the eggs and focus on FISH?



???


yes bro, i swear it, fish and chicken breast are kings. END OF THREAD


Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 10, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
yes bro, i swear it, fish and chicken breast are kings. END OF THREAD




Thank you sir, already purchased a ton of salmon fillets, salmon burgers, sardines, and tilapia.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 11, 2012, 03:41:58 AM
i like the canned smoked mussels, smoked oysters and fish as well.... slightly lower BV but really fucking easy to carry around and mixed with tuna they add a lot of flavor (oily so the tuna is not dry)... add sale'n'pepa and good to go

no homo
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 11, 2012, 03:50:45 AM
i like the canned smoked mussels, smoked oysters and fish as well.... slightly lower BV but really fucking easy to carry around and mixed with tuna they add a lot of flavor (oily so the tuna is not dry)... add sale'n'pepa and good to go

no homo
not bad 8)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: BigCyp on December 11, 2012, 03:54:32 AM
Eggs are composed of everything that a chick feotus needs to GROW, hence the complete chain aminos / great protein & fat ratio also.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 11, 2012, 03:58:54 AM
Eggs are composed of everything that a chick feotus needs to GROW, hence the complete chain aminos / great protein & fat ratio also.



i also like to mix eggs into other protein sources... like adding a couple to ground chicken/beef/pork, etc...

no homo

http://mmdelrosario.hubpages.com/hub/7-ways-to-use-eggs-in-cookery (http://mmdelrosario.hubpages.com/hub/7-ways-to-use-eggs-in-cookery)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 04:28:18 AM
(http://www.recipesecrets.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/filetfish.jpg)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: BigCyp on December 11, 2012, 04:36:57 AM

i also like to mix eggs into other protein sources... like adding a couple to ground chicken/beef/pork, etc...

no homo

http://mmdelrosario.hubpages.com/hub/7-ways-to-use-eggs-in-cookery (http://mmdelrosario.hubpages.com/hub/7-ways-to-use-eggs-in-cookery)

Yes!

My wife's homemade ground beef burgers are almost 40% egg!!!!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: WOOO on December 11, 2012, 04:38:28 AM
Yes!

My wife's homemade ground beef burgers are almost 40% egg!!!!

no homo

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2305/wwwzabihinfo13570x710.jpg)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 11, 2012, 12:01:15 PM
Yes!

My wife's homemade ground beef burgers are almost 40% egg!!!!


genius!
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: mass243 on December 11, 2012, 12:28:43 PM

Eggs are known for farts but all of a sudden getbig eat eggs and they don`t fart, only on getbig.



The genetic, digestive and intellectual and special force elite bishes  8)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: wild willie on December 11, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
Beef is number one......imho.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 11, 2012, 12:46:44 PM
Are you done crying little bitch?  The shits you get from eggs most likely comes from an alergy to them.  Egg alergies are pretty common.  Some people have trouble digesting dairy, some eggs etc....

Stick your tampon back in little girl.

gawd dam you are fucken dumb, real dumb,, aaaahhh NO SHIT SHERLOCK, wow, first of all the white is what is hard to digest and the yolk is easy to digest so overall it creates a balance, any ingredient in a food that is hard to digest, makes your system work harder hence making the food as a whole less absorbed you dumbass. So because of the sulpheric compounds a lot of the protein is not being absorbed stupid. Also MR. BRAINIAC if you have dhieria then your absortion rate for protein is severly altered, so it does not matter what causes the runs, if you eat any source of protein while you have the runs it won't digest properly and will not be absorbed effectively.

Any more retards on this thread, when you start bringing in people shredded at shows then you can claim to know what the fuck your talking about until then STFU tool lol :-*

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 11, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Are you done crying little bitch?  The shits you get from eggs most likely comes from an alergy to them.  Egg alergies are pretty common.  Some people have trouble digesting dairy, some eggs etc....

Stick your tampon back in little girl.

Once again you fucken retard, I don't give a shit how you slice it if it is causing digestive problems for most people then it would be better to eat something that cause less problems for those people only you dum fuck. The harder your digestive system has to work the less protein you are absorbing.

Bro you are like the stupidest person here that's why I am being an asshole to you, cause every time someone says something to help someone, wether training or juicing or nutrition your dumb retarted brain is always taking the contrary when you do not have a fucken clue about anything.

 Don't give out info if you don't know shit bro, let the people that have been there and done that do this so others can benefit from them not your stupid illogical brain that is always spitting out the dumbest shit.

It is not a meltdown just can't stand dumb people that clearly know shit giving out advise.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 11, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
Once again you fucken retard, I don't give a shit how you slice it if it is causing digestive problems for most people then it would be better to eat something that cause less problems for those people only you dum fuck. The harder your digestive system has to work the less protein you are absorbing.

Bro you are like the stupidest person here that's why I am being an asshole to you, cause every time someone says something to help someone, wether training or juicing or nutrition your dumb retarted brain is always taking the contrary when you do not have a fucken clue about anything.

 Don't give out info if you don't know shit bro, let the people that have been there and done that do this so others can benefit from them not your stupid illogical brain that is always spitting out the dumbest shit.

It is not a meltdown just can't stand dumb people that clearly know shit giving out advise.

Okay, so to get this straight.  For decades millions of bodybuilders have built bodies using eggs as one of their major sources of protein but we can throw all of that out the window because you said so ? ::)  Um yeah.

No need for name calling, but I still love you.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 12, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Okay, so to get this straight.  For decades millions of bodybuilders have built bodies using eggs as one of their major sources of protein but we can throw all of that out the window because you said so ? ::)  Um yeah.

No need for name calling, but I still love you.
lol, ;D ;D

Ok your right actually. I love eggs and use them too and all bodybuilders do, but the thread was about fish and my whole point was that fish is better then eggs for most people and I explained why. Bodybuilders today think fish, chicken and many more protein source are better then eggs cause eggs digest poorly for most.

and btw I still love you to and sorry about the name calling but your drew first blood when you called me a tool  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 12, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I haven't had many eggs, i've been focusing on Chicken and Fish.

I've noticed what you're saying as far as stomach issues go. 
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 12, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
I haven't had many eggs, i've been focusing on Chicken and Fish.

I've noticed what you're saying as far as stomach issues go. 
This discomfort in digestion is part of the reason people fail at their diets, when you eat foods easy on your system it is easier to lose fat and more motivating.

Are you trying to lose fat or are you just trying to eat clean?

Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 12, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
This discomfort in digestion is part of the reason people fail at their diets, when you eat foods easy on your system it is easier to lose fat and more motivating.

Are you trying to lose fat or are you just trying to eat clean?



Loosing fat, I was in good shape up to last summer but I went like six months eating like Master Falcon.  I got up to 225, but I'm down to like 210 now.  I want to get back to about 190.

You're probably not going to like this, but I'm a True Adonis disciple.  This has always worked real well for me in the past.  Counting calories and protein only.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: OTHstrong on December 12, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
Loosing fat, I was in good shape up to last summer but I went like six months eating like Master Falcon.  I got up to 225, but I'm down to like 210 now.  I want to get back to about 190.

You're probably not going to like this, but I'm a True Adonis disciple.  This has always worked real well for me in the past.  Counting calories and protein only.
No that is not a bad method, more then 1 road leads to Rome, besides at the end of the day it is all about what you end up with and if it works it works, good luck, discipline is everything.
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 12, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
No that is not a bad method, more then 1 road leads to Rome, besides at the end of the day it is all about what you end up with and if it works it works, good luck, discipline is everything.

Thank you sir, I'm working on it.

Wish I had never strayed from the bbing path.  ;D
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: hipolito mejia on December 13, 2012, 06:13:21 AM
1. Eggs
2. Chicken
3. Beef

4. Pork

Fish? ???
.   Where is turkey ..
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Hulkotron on December 13, 2012, 06:20:28 AM
Ray never took fish seriously, never got his omega 3s.   We see the results, how many sandows does he have?

x2
Title: Re: Where does Fish rank in protein quality
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 13, 2012, 04:49:50 PM
i dont know if theres something to it, but dark red meat seems best.

too bad its very expensive.

I just had a 1/3 bison buger that was dripping blood.

Not sure if I'm extremely satisfied or grossed out.