Fedor again exposing himself as a big pussy....

[CARTEL]

Being that Fedor is afraid not in the UFC, he has severely limited his access to top fighters. Not saying all the best are in the UFC, but most are.
Werdum is hardly a deserving opponent.

I'm not sure what you mean by "deserving" but...
 
I can think of only two "deserving" opponents in the UFC. Mir and Lesnar. I think Ubereem has the same case as those two also.

[RUDE BUOY]

hahahahahahahaha huge limb here no fedor would not be scared of the big boys in the ufc as stated earlier in this thread yea fedor is a pussy 

[WeightPSHR]

hahahahahahahaha huge limb here no fedor would not be scared of the big boys in the ufc as stated earlier in this thread yea fedor is a pussy 

I don't think that Fedor himself is afraid of the UFC...I think his management is though.
Lets afve it...he has been collecting easy paychecks for a while now.

Win      Brett Rogers      TKO (Punches)      Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers      11/7/2009     2     1:48
 Win    Andrei Arlovski    KO (Punch)    Affliction - Day of Reckoning    1/24/2009    1    3:14
 Win    Tim Sylvia    Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)    Affliction - Banned    7/19/2008    1    0:36
 Win    Hong Man Choi    Submission (Armbar)    Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007    12/31/2007    1    1:54
 Win    Matt Lindland    Submission (Armbar)    Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations    4/14/2007    1    2:58
 Win    Mark Hunt    Submission (Kimura)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2006    12/31/2006    1    8:16
 Win    Mark Coleman    Submission (Armbar)    PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal    10/21/2006    2    1:15

[WeightPSHR]

The two best HWs in the world after Fedor are Overeem and Barnett. Neither is in the UFC.

If Fedor is interested in fighting overrated cans that hyped their way into the top 10 then he would be smart to sign with the UFC. I mean, everyone claims he's collecting easy paychecks so the UFC should be the logical choice then.  




Would Dana let Fedor fake an illness like Brock so he could train for a year and adjust to the cage? 

Barnett is a good fighter, but a disgrace to MMA. Flunked two steroid tests in the U.S.
Overeem...well we won't even bring up the drug talk.
When he fights in the US and tests clean, then I will consider him a top contender.

[MindSpin]

The two best HWs in the world after Fedor are Overeem and Barnett. Neither is in the UFC.

If Fedor is interested in fighting overrated cans that hyped their way into the top 10 then he would be smart to sign with the UFC. I mean, everyone claims he's collecting easy paychecks so the UFC should be the logical choice then.  




Would Dana let Fedor fake an illness like Brock so he could train for a year and adjust to the cage? 

Two questions:

1) who has Overeem beaten to be considered the #2 Heavyweight in the world?
2) what proof do you have that Lesnar faked an illness and that Dana was in on it?

[George Whorewell]

I don't think that Fedor himself is afraid of the UFC...I think his management is though.
Lets afve it...he has been collecting easy paychecks for a while now.

Win      Brett Rogers      TKO (Punches)      Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers      11/7/2009     2     1:48
 Win    Andrei Arlovski    KO (Punch)    Affliction - Day of Reckoning    1/24/2009    1    3:14
 Win    Tim Sylvia    Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)    Affliction - Banned    7/19/2008    1    0:36
 Win    Hong Man Choi    Submission (Armbar)    Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007    12/31/2007    1    1:54
 Win    Matt Lindland    Submission (Armbar)    Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations    4/14/2007    1    2:58
 Win    Mark Hunt    Submission (Kimura)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2006    12/31/2006    1    8:16
 Win    Mark Coleman    Submission (Armbar)    PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal    10/21/2006    2    1:15

Every single one of those opponents was game-- Except Hong Man Choi. 3 former UFC champs including a UFC hall of famer-- 2 very dangerous experienced opponents, one previously undefeated guy with proven KO power that outweighed him by 50+ lbs,  and one cup cake that was a full foot taller and 100 lbs heavier. Give me any top HW's last 7 fights and  show me how Fedor has fought below par competition--

[FREAKgeek]

Two questions:

2) what proof do you have that Lesnar faked an illness and that Dana was in on it?

What proof do you have that any of Fedor's fights were fixed?

[WeightPSHR]

Every single one of those opponents was game-- Except Hong Man Choi. 3 former UFC champs including a UFC hall of famer-- 2 very dangerous experienced opponents, one previously undefeated guy with proven KO power that outweighed him by 50+ lbs,  and one cup cake that was a full foot taller and 100 lbs heavier. Give me any top HW's last 7 fights and  show me how Fedor has fought below par competition--

Coleman and Sylvia have been beaten by Couture who was then KO'd by Lesnar.

Fedor cheated in the Lindland fight by grabbing the ropes as well.

Rodgers....come on?? He wouldn't stand a chance with any of the top UFC guys.

Then we have Fedor's next fight against Werdum...I like Werdum and he is a decent fighter, but he is not even close to the talent of Cain, Carwin, Mir, or even Lesnar.

We can argue all day about Fedor, but unfortunately it is very apparent that Fedor and his management are looking for easy paydays.
Why would Fedor risk a loss on his record at this stage of his career. Can't say I blame them.

[FREAKgeek]

Coleman and Sylvia have been beaten by Couture who was then KO'd by Lesnar.

Rodgers....come on?? He wouldn't stand a chance with any of the top UFC guys.

Rodgers hits hard and is still unrefined. I think he will become a force.

[WeightPSHR]

Rodgers hits hard and is still unrefined. I think he will become a force.

He is unrefined, hardly a top competitor for Fedor. But what else have we come to expect with the opponents that Fedor's management is choosing these days.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Coleman and Sylvia have been beaten by Couture who was then KO'd by Lesnar.

Ian Freeman TKO'd Frank Mir, does that mean he would beat Brock Lesnar?  MMA math dosen't add up.

[WeightPSHR]

Ian Freeman TKO'd Frank Mir, does that mean he would beat Brock Lesnar?  MMA math dosen't add up.

I was being sarcastic in that post. I agree MMA math never adds up.  I was mocking Georgie Whores post when he stated:

Quote from: George Whorewell on Today at 10:17:09 AM


Every single one of those opponents was game-- Except Hong Man Choi. 3 former UFC champs including a UFC hall of famer-- 2 very dangerous experienced opponents, one previously undefeated guy with proven KO power that outweighed him by 50+ lbs,  and one cup cake that was a full foot taller and 100 lbs heavier. Give me any top HW's last 7 fights and  show me how Fedor has fought below par competition--

[Hedgehog]

I hope Fedor does sign with the UFC as well.
But my gut feeling tells me that he will walk away from MMA after his current contract is up.
Why would he risk a couple of losses at the end of his carreer? If he wanted money, he never would haver turned down the UFC's offers originally.

From what I understand, he was never offered any one-fight deals with UFC.

They were only offering him a deal where he would be figthing multiple fights in UFC.

Which, from what I understand, is where the disagreement was/is.


My gut feeling is that the fighters right now are getting too little of what the MMA industry is generating.

Look at Formula One, or basketball, or soccer.

Even average names in those sports earns sometimes multi-million dollars.

Hopefully, fighters will leave, or threaten to leave UFC, until they are getting the biggest share of the earnings.

The promoters should only have a slight percentage - they're not the stars, they're not in there risking everything.

Conversely, look at NBA.

Who's got the biggest salary - Lebron James or David Stern?

[WeightPSHR]

From what I understand, he was never offered any one-fight deals with UFC.

They were only offering him a deal where he would be figthing multiple fights in UFC.

Which, from what I understand, is where the disagreement was/is.


My gut feeling is that the fighters right now are getting too little of what the MMA industry is generating.

Look at Formula One, or basketball, or soccer.

Even average names in those sports earns sometimes multi-million dollars.

Hopefully, fighters will leave, or threaten to leave UFC, until they are getting the biggest share of the earnings.

The promoters should only have a slight percentage - they're not the stars, they're not in there risking everything.

Conversely, look at NBA.

Who's got the biggest salary - Lebron James or David Stern?

You are right, the last offer was a multi-fight deal worth about $30 mil. The UFC had met all of his other demands, including the option to fight Sambo if he desired. The only hang-up that was last reported was that Fedor wanted the UFC to co-promote with M1. The UFC declined and I do not blame them. Why let another org ride on the coattails of UFC when they have nothing to offer long term except one fighter, who quite frankly the UFC can and has been successful without.

Here is one of many sources on the topichttp://www.mmafighting.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/

Fedor Emelianenko said on Wednesday that he does not intend to sign a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship unless the UFC agrees to promote fights jointly with Emelianenko's promoter, M-1 Global. Since then, several Web sites have reported that Emelianenko had turned down a six-fight contract with the UFC worth $30 million.


I agree the fighters should be paid more, but how can they leave the UFC? With sponsorships and PPV buys, how can a fighter make more in any other org? Where are they going to go? Another thing the UFC offers is exposure that leads to better sponsorship money for the fighters than any other MMA org.

You can not compare the UFC or MMA to any of the other sports you mentioned. MMA as a whole has less sponsorship/advertising money coming in. Basketball, Soccer, Baseball, Football etc. have been around much longer. They make huge profits on advertising with company's like Nike, Multiple beer company's, Financial institutions, etc. The UFC is young, in time they may. This has a lot to do with how well an athlete is paid. The UFC does make a lot of money, but these fighters are making a lot more than they were even a few years back. The UFC is also dumping a lot of money back into the org to help it grow worldwide.

Afterall, nobody is forcing these guys to fight in the UFC. The UFC has a right to make as much money as they wish, just like any sport or business.

If you were to compare the economics of today with what they were when baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc, started out, players were not paid on the scale that they are today. Owners of these sports/teams are making a higher profit then they were when they just started out.

Same is true with the UFC. Afterall, Dana and the Fertitas have only owned the UFC for a little more than 10 years. Look how much they have done for the fighters in this time.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

You are right, the last offer was a multi-fight deal worth about $30 mil. The UFC had met all of his other demands, including the option to fight Sambo if he desired. The only hang-up that was last reported was that Fedor wanted the UFC to co-promote with M1. The UFC declined and I do not blame them. Why let another org ride on the coattails of UFC when they have nothing to offer long term except one fighter, who quite frankly the UFC can and has been successful without.

Here is one of many sources on the topichttp://www.mmafighting.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/

"The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It's true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."
That link also says it was less than 2 million per fight for three fights.  Dana and Fedor's manager issued statements about these "supposed" offers soon after those rumors started circulating.  They were pretty inflated to say the least, I'd search for them right now but I don't want to accidently come across spoilers from the WEC.

[WeightPSHR]

"The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It's true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."
That link also says it was less than 2 million per fight for three fights.  Dana and Fedor's manager issued statements about these "supposed" offers soon after those rumors started circulating.  They were pretty inflated to say the least, I'd search for them right now but I don't want to accidently come across spoilers from the WEC.

Overall money was not the problem. It was the co-promoting. Besides, unless you can post a reputable source showing otherwise, whatever you state is YOUR OPINION.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Overall money was not the problem. It was the co-promoting. Besides, unless you can post a reputable source showing otherwise, whatever you state is YOUR OPINION.

So I take it your post is just YOUR OPINION?

[WeightPSHR]

So I take it your post is just YOUR OPINION?

My statement was not only my opinion, but fact as well.

I neve claimed to know or disputed how much money Fedor was going to make.

What part of this do you not understand?

Fedor Emelianenko said on Wednesday that he does not intend to sign a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship unless the UFC agrees to promote fights jointly with Emelianenko's promoter, M-1 Global. Since then, several Web sites have reported that Emelianenko had turned down a six-fight contract with the UFC worth $30 million.

Where's your source?? Please...show me Fedor and/or his management is not afraid of the talent in the UFC.

[Hedgehog]

You can not compare the UFC or MMA to any of the other sports you mentioned.

I think in one area it is comparable. And that is how the money in the industry is distributed between suits and athletes.

My issue isn't with how the fighters earn small money.

But rather, that they get such a small percentage of the total earnings.

It's just not right that the fighters should get less than the promoters from an event.

Should Dana and the Fertitta's willingly lower their own cut from the events?

Of course not.

That's why I hope to see other federations start up, and compete for the athletes with higher fight salaries et al.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

My statement was not only my opinion, but fact as well.

I neve claimed to know or disputed how much money Fedor was going to make.

Since then, several Web sites have reported that Emelianenko had turned down a six-fight contract with the UFC worth $30 million.

Where's your source?? Please...show me Fedor and/or his management is not afraid of the talent in the UFC.

I'm disputing the amount of money offered to Fedor you are saying is a fact, when it hasn't been confirmed by anybody of name or importance.  All you have to go by is a vague statement that seems to have been recirculated by a few websites.

[WeightPSHR]

I'm disputing the amount of money offered to Fedor you are saying is a fact, when it hasn't been confirmed by anybody of name or importance.  All you have to go by is a vague statement that seems to have been recirculated by a few websites.

I never said I could confirm the exact amount that Fedor was going to make. What I DID claim was that money was not the issue.

Still waiting on your source to prove othewise.The WEC event was over almost 24 hrs. ago.
What is your excuse now?

[WeightPSHR]

I think in one area it is comparable. And that is how the money in the industry is distributed between suits and athletes.

My issue isn't with how the fighters earn small money.

But rather, that they get such a small percentage of the total earnings.

It's just not right that the fighters should get less than the promoters from an event.

Should Dana and the Fertitta's willingly lower their own cut from the events?

Of course not.

That's why I hope to see other federations start up, and compete for the athletes with higher fight salaries et al.

I agree with you to some extent, but what is exactly the UFC's profit on an event? Also, how much do the UFC suits make on each event?

Another thing to consider is that the UFC obviously puts a lot of money back into the growth of the org. This is very important in the success of the org and the sport.

I do hope that a successful org comes up and can give the UFC some competition, but I think at this point nobody can compete financially or with what that UFC can offer its fighters and STILL stay in business. I did think that Strikeforce had a chance, but unfortunately doesn't look that way.

Having a successful org involves more than paying the fighters huge amounts of money and putting on good fights. That is just the surface. Affliction demonstrated that to us all.

It takes these orgs months to pull of one show. Hard to compete when the UFC is putting on successful shows every other week.

[Hedgehog]

I agree with you to some extent, but what is exactly the UFC's profit on an event? Also, how much do the UFC suits make on each event?

Another thing to consider is that the UFC obviously puts a lot of money back into the growth of the org. This is very important in the success of the org and the sport.

I do hope that a successful org comes up and can give the UFC some competition, but I think at this point nobody can compete financially or with what that UFC can offer its fighters and STILL stay in business. I did think that Strikeforce had a chance, but unfortunately doesn't look that way.

Having a successful org involves more than paying the fighters huge amounts of money and putting on good fights. That is just the surface. Affliction demonstrated that to us all.

It takes these orgs months to pull of one show. Hard to compete when the UFC is putting on successful shows every other week.

Dana White owns 10% of Zuffa, so his net worth is approx $135 million.

Any fighters even close to that?

No.

[WeightPSHR]

Dana White owns 10% of Zuffa, so his net worth is approx $135 million.

Any fighters even close to that?

No.

Why should the fighters be close to that? What other sport has athletes making the same amount of money as the owners? I don't know about where you work, but the owners usually make CONSIDERABLY more than the employees.

On top of that, we really have no idea what the top fighters make. All we see is what is reported to the comissions. You know as well as I do that this is only part of the picture.

[gmflex]

MLB,NBA,NFL

should i continue