The ABBF is suspended by the IFBB : CORRUPTION ?

[timfogarty]

You dont go to another federation and then slander the federation you came from.

1) slander: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.  if its not false, its not slander.

2) please oh please Ron stop using the term federation.  The IFBB is not and never has been a sports federation.  It is a privately owned business.  The PDI was a privately owned business.

"You don't go to another corporation and then [say bad things about] the corporation you came from."  might be valid IF you were an employee of the corporation.  But athletes are not employees.  In fact most IFBB pros make zero dollars from IFBB contests.

Threads like these quickly become shouting matches between two factions:  those that believe that pro bodybuilding today is really fucked up, dying a slow death; and those that think that everything is hunky-dory, that the IFBB has never been better.

You know what I think?   That Manion, Chang, and Blinn know that bodybuilding and the IFBB is dying, and they're just trying to get the most money they can out of it before they retire.

[Vince B]

We have ethics and we have laws. In any dispute re the IFBB how are matters settled? Clearly not in some open manner with redress of grievances. What we have seen re Lee Priest is a one year suspension dragging on for far longer. Many have called this punishment unfair. Milos was handled in a similar fashion and his punishment also dragged on and on. What we see is the IFBB punishing dissenters and recalcitrant individuals who do things that cannot be tolerated by the people running the organizations.

Are there open, democratic elections to replace all officials and executives in the IFBB and Pro League? Is the athletes rep a duly elected one by and of the athletes? How does one get rid of someone who is appointed?

These issues are important. Responsible observers see the wrongs that are done to others yet this gets swept under the table. When Lee joined the PDI we debated the issue long and hard on Getbig and other forums. Likewise, we saw Milos debate the corruption issue online. It mattered not where justice and common sense lay because the IFBB is a closed shop and decisions made in the back room are official and that is the end of the matter. Anyone who criticizes the IFBB and those running it are in turn criticized. There is no openness and hardly any responsibility of officials to the very bodybuilders they represent. If the bodybuilders don't like what they do then bad luck. There is virtually nothing they can do about it. Outspoken bodybuilders will find it hard to place or win in future contests. For some reason these renegades place 8th or lower in future contests.

[Chick]

We have ethics and we have laws. In any dispute re the IFBB how are matters settled? Clearly not in some open manner with redress of grievances. What we have seen re Lee Priest is a one year suspension dragging on for far longer. Many have called this punishment unfair. Milos was handled in a similar fashion and his punishment also dragged on and on. What we see is the IFBB punishing dissenters and recalcitrant individuals who do things that cannot be tolerated by the people running the organizations.

Are there open, democratic elections to replace all officials and executives in the IFBB and Pro League? Is the athletes rep a duly elected one by and of the athletes? How does one get rid of someone who is appointed?

These issues are important. Responsible observers see the wrongs that are done to others yet this gets swept under the table. When Lee joined the PDI we debated the issue long and hard on Getbig and other forums. Likewise, we saw Milos debate the corruption issue online. It mattered not where justice and common sense lay because the IFBB is a closed shop and decisions made in the back room are official and that is the end of the matter. Anyone who criticizes the IFBB and those running it are in turn criticized. There is no openness and hardly any responsibility of officials to the very bodybuilders they represent. If the bodybuilders don't like what they do then bad luck. There is virtually nothing they can do about it. Outspoken bodybuilders will find it hard to place or win in future contests. For some reason these renegades place 8th or lower in future contests.

More keen observations from ImBasile...

The two most outspoken BBers (Shawn Ray and Lee Priest) BOTH won shows and placed accordingly throughout their careers

Priest and Sarcev were both suspended for 1 year.....after their membership expires, they have to reapply for reinstatement.  Nothing "draged out" other than they were denied....Priest was eventually let back in, same with Milos.

[LMV]

You dont go to another federation and then slander the federation you came from.

It's a privately owned corporation not a federation Ron.

[Vince B]

Bob, you still sound like the cadet deputy sheriff than a bona fide athletes rep.

[timfogarty]

Nothing "draged out" other than they were denied....

and what reasons would there be to deny reentry other than spite?

[Chick]

and what reasons would there be to deny reentry other than spite?

Ongoing infractions, failure to provide the necessary items/ paperwork/requests, etc

[Chick]

Bob, you still sound like the cadet deputy sheriff than a bona fide athletes rep.

Yeah...explaining how things work will do that to the uninformed

[Frank D. Law]

Ongoing infractions, failure to provide the necessary items/ paperwork/requests, etc

The more Chick goes on with this, the deeper the hole he's digging himself into.  All he's got is a SINGLE supporter in the one with the messianic complex!

[Van_Bilderass]

What's Milos saying here; that he's not signing any new contract and is instead suing the Pro League?

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=12209.msg148100#msg148100

[New Hank Wood]

Chick, when will you answer the question!

Again; ''What are you doing behind-the-scenes to improve this so-called sports tarnished reputation?''

Yes Chick, you also have a responsibility to help improve this sport's appalling and laughable position.

Being athlete's rep is just so very important.  And yes, by helping to clean up this sport you are in turn actually helping the athletes.

Stop dodging and weaving Chick!

[Frank D. Law]

Chick, when will you answer the question!

Again; ''What are you doing behind-the-scenes to improve this so-called sports tarnished reputation?''

Yes Chick, you also have a responsibility to help improve this sport's appalling and laughable position.

Being athlete's rep is just so very important.  And yes, by helping to clean up this sport you are in turn actually helping the athletes.

Stop dodging and weaving Chick!

New Hank Wood, you've said it like a man, unlike the messianic one who feels a need to suck up to Chick!  You've hit the nail right on the head.  Yeah, Chick, stop weaving and dodging and start helping to clean up the sport!

[Frank D. Law]

What's Milos saying here; that he's not signing any new contract and is instead suing the Pro League?

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=12209.msg148100#msg148100

If you should decide to sue the IFBB Pro League, Milos, just make sure that you do not take legal advise from the one who claims to have a background in law (Chick)!

[Van_Bilderass]

If you should decide to sue the IFBB Pro League, Milos, just make sure that you do not take legal advise from the one who claims to have a background in law (Chick)!

Milos can't really sign such a contract, that would be hypocritical since Milos feels he did nothing wrong in the Chua case. It has the same stipulations about not accusing officials, to go through the proper channels etc.

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April 14, 2009
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Mr. Milos Sarcev
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AN UNDERTAKING TO ABIDE BY THE IFBB PROFESSIONAL RULES
 
I, Milos Sarcev, join the IFBB Professional League, hereinafter “Pro League”, of my own free
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Yellow highlight by Milos on his board. No comment by Milos apart from posting the contract.

Regarding point 7, he can't attack Chick anymore either if he signs, right?

[Schmoe Buster]

Chick, when will you answer the question!

Again; ''What are you doing behind-the-scenes to improve this so-called sports tarnished reputation?''

Yes Chick, you also have a responsibility to help improve this sport's appalling and laughable position.

Being athlete's rep is just so very important.  And yes, by helping to clean up this sport you are in turn actually helping the athletes.

Stop dodging and weaving Chick!

Spot on, Chick the athletes should be put first not the officials who just care about lining their own pockets and looking out for their cohorts!

[Chick]

Guess number 12 already nixes the deal...since were reading it on this forum

[timfogarty]

Guess number 12 already nixes the deal...since were reading it on this forum

did they really think Milos would agree to such one sided terms?

[Chick]

did they really think Milos would agree to such one sided terms?

They aren't asking to be back in the club

[Frank D. Law]

Guess number 12 already nixes the deal...since were reading it on this forum

The contract terms can only be summed up in one word....draconian!
Allow me to enlighten our "athletes' rep" with "a background in law" just how this term came into being.

You see, Draco was the law scribe called by the tyrannical Nobles in ancient Athens around the turn of the 7th century BC to codify all the unjust laws used to persecute the ordinary poor citizens. Draco's laws were infamous for their severity of punishment, even for a minor crime like stealing an apple from an orchard. Death was the commonest punishment for both serious and minor crimes.

Of this grim code of laws, men said they were written in blood. That is how the term Draconian Law's came to be synonymous with pieces of harsh inhuman legislation.

Fortunately for ancient Athens, the tyrannical Nobles - especially the accursed Alcmaeonidae” – were overthrown and banished. The great poet, statesman, and lawmaker, Solon, was authorized to prepare a new set of laws relieving the miseries of the poorer people of Athens.

One of the poor BB's being persecuted by the IFBB Pro League....a travesty that Chick is trying so strenuously to defend is Milos.  Guess there can be only one inevitable outcome.  Eventual triumph of right over wrong...and the end of the evil empire!  Saw what happened to the tyrannical Saddam and Paul Chua.

[Chick]

The contract terms can only be summed up in one word....draconian!
Allow me to enlighten our "athletes' rep" with "a background in law" just how this term came into being.

You see, Draco was the law scribe called by the tyrannical Nobles in ancient Athens around the turn of the 7th century BC to codify all the unjust laws used to persecute the ordinary poor citizens. Draco's laws were infamous for their severity of punishment, even for a minor crime like stealing an apple from an orchard. Death was the commonest punishment for both serious and minor crimes.

Of this grim code of laws, men said they were written in blood. That is how the term Draconian Law's came to be synonymous with pieces of harsh inhuman legislation.

Fortunately for ancient Athens, the tyrannical Nobles - especially the accursed Alcmaeonidae” – were overthrown and banished. The great poet, statesman, and lawmaker, Solon, was authorized to prepare a new set of laws relieving the miseries of the poorer people of Athens.

One of the poor BB's being persecuted by the IFBB Pro League....a travesty that Chick is trying so strenuously to defend is Milos.  Guess there can be only one inevitable outcome.  Eventual triumph of right over wrong...and the end of the evil empire!  Saw what happened to the tyrannical Saddam and Paul Chua.

Thanks for the history lesson...I believe they covered that in my Greek Mythology class

As for the "contract terms"...other than number 12 (which he broke already) 11 is the only one that is specific to the case...everything else is in the IFBB rules anyway

[Schmoe Buster]

They aren't asking to be back in the club

Thats exactly what the IFBB is, a club, not a federation or sporting governing body as it likes to portray itself as

[Chick]

Thats exactly what the IFBB is, a club, not a federation or sporting governing body as it likes to portray itself as

Whats your point?

It is what it is...

[Schmoe Buster]

Thats exactly what the IFBB is, a club, not a federation or sporting governing body as it likes to portray itself as

thats my point, its just a jolly old boys club for schmoes and those that wish to line their own pockets by corrupt means at the expense of the athletes, Paul Chua etc!

[Van_Bilderass]

Hopefully Milos comes on to tell us what the plan is. Looks pretty obvious that he's not signing any contract at least. He already breached the terms there.

I do think he's done competing. I suspect the arms are in bad shape and it's not a good idea to ruin the image of the "beautiful" physique he used to have.

[Vince B]

To add insult to injury we now see Bob C's image on national TV in Australia advertising a recent movie. Congratulations, Bob! That is your forte, show business, not the monkey business called the IFBB!