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Picamilon banned by the FDA
« on: December 30, 2015, 01:11:52 PM »
From the FDA

Picamilon is a substance that does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. In contrast, picamilon is a unique chemical entity synthesized from the dietary ingredients niacin and gamma-aminobutyric acid. Picamilon is absorbed into the body, crosses the blood-brain barrier and accumulates in the brain as a separate chemical entity. Because picamilon does not fit any of the categories of dietary ingredients under the Act, any products marketed as dietary supplements that declare picamilon as a dietary ingredient are misbranded.

The FDA has provided expert testimony to the Oregon Attorney General’s office stating that picamilon is not a dietary ingredient. Picamilon is used as a prescription drug in Russia for a variety of neurological conditions. It is not approved as a drug in the U.S.

Picamilon is also known as:

pikatropin
pikamilon
nicotinyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid
nicotinyl-GAB


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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 01:12:38 PM »
December 2015

On November 30, 2015, the FDA issued warning letters to five companies whose products marketed as dietary supplements claim to contain picamilon. These products are misbranded because picamilon does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient.

Under existing law, including the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act passed by Congress in 1994, the FDA can take action to remove products from the market, but the agency must first establish that such products are adulterated (e.g., that the product is unsafe) or misbranded (e.g., that the labeling is false or misleading).

The companies have 15 business days from the date of receipt of the letter to communicate to the agency the specific steps they will take to bring their products into compliance with the law.

The agency will continue to update this page in the event additional actions are taken related to picamilon

Warning Letters

DBM Nutrition for DBM Endurance World Championship Countess
ICF International for Myokem Nitramine
Top Secret Nutirition, LLC for Pump Igniter
Applied Nutriceuticals, Inc. for HG4UP
SDC Nutrition, Inc for NVIE Edge Pro



http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm472881.htm

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 01:14:30 PM »
Warning letter that was sent out

This letter concerns your product Pump Igniter, available in Cherry Limeade, Grape, Red Raspberry, Fruit Punch, and Pink Lemonade, which is labeled and/or offered for sale as a dietary supplement. Your product labeling lists the substance Picamilon as a dietary ingredient in your “Nootropic Mood Boosting Combination.” This ingredient is also called, among other names, pikatropin, pikamilon, nicotinyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid, and nicotinoyl-GABA (hereinafter referred to as picamilon).
 
Under section 201(ff)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) [21 U.S.C. § 321(ff)(1)], a dietary ingredient is a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. Picamilon is not a vitamin, a mineral, an herb or other botanical, or an amino acid. In addition, according to our research, picamilon is not a dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake. Finally, picamilon is not a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake. Rather, picamilon is a unique chemical entity synthesized from the dietary ingredients niacin and gamma-aminobutyric acid.  As such, it is absorbed into the body, crosses the blood-brain barrier and accumulates in the brain as a separate chemical entity. Because picamilon does not fit any of the dietary ingredient categories under section 201(ff)(1) of the Act, it is not a dietary ingredient as defined in the Act. Declaring picamilon in your product labeling as a dietary ingredient causes your products marketed as dietary supplements to be misbranded under section 403(a)(1) of the Act [21 U.S.C. § 343(a)(1)] in that the labeling is false or misleading in any particular.
 
We request that you take prompt action to correct the violation cited above, as well as any other violations associated with your Pump Igniter product or other products marketed by your firm that list picamilon as a dietary ingredient in the labeling.  It is your responsibility to ensure that your firm complies with all requirements of federal law and FDA regulations. Failure to immediately cease distribution of your Pump Igniter product, and any other products you market that list picamilon as a dietary ingredient in the labeling, could result in enforcement action by FDA without further notice.  Sections 302 and 304 of the Act provide for seizure of violative products and injunction against the manufacturers and distributors of violative products [21 U.S.C. §§ 332 and 334].
 
Additionally, picamilon is not approved as a food additive or prior sanctioned for use in dietary supplements. Further, FDA's review of this substance does not identify a basis to conclude the substance is GRAS for use in food. If you contend that this substance is GRAS for use in food, please provide your basis for concluding that picamilon is GRAS for use in dietary supplements, including supporting data or other documentation.
 
We request that you advise us in writing, within 15 days of receipt of this letter, as to the specific steps that have been or will be taken to correct these violations, including any steps taken with respect to product currently in the marketplace. Your response should also include an explanation of each step taken to ensure that similar violations do not recur, as well as documentation to support your response. Your written reply should be directed to Aaron Dotson, United States Food and Drug Administration, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, 5100 Paint Branch Parkway, Office of Compliance (HFS-608), Division of Enforcement, College Park, Maryland 20740-3835. If you have any questions, please contact Aaron Dotson

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 07:55:48 AM »
 Any firsthand experiences, gentlemen? Did it do what it was supposed to do?

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2016, 06:49:07 AM »
Thanks for more government control, FDA.

I should probably just wait another week or two and carbon copy the BATF.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2016, 08:09:14 AM »
Supplements are:
 A) Total shit made with fillers
 B) Potentially lethal
 C) Waste of money
 D) all of the above

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 09:58:12 PM »
Supplements are:
 A) Total shit made with fillers
 B) Potentially lethal
 C) Waste of money
 D) all of the above

You need to stick to the gossip and opinions sub-forum.  You don't know anything about nutrition or training.  Your opinions are completely archaic.  You are better at fiction than m night shyamalan.  Everything you just said is utter shit and I'm betting your physique proves it. 

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2016, 08:52:54 AM »
Supplements are:
 A) Total shit made with fillers
 B) Potentially lethal
 C) Waste of money
 D) all of the above


This redundant rhetoric is fast becoming tiresome, troll-some, and disruptive to members wishing to engage in constructive discussion about nutrition.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 10:33:32 AM »

This redundant rhetoric is fast becoming tiresome, troll-some, and disruptive to members wishing to engage in constructive discussion about nutrition.

I don't think he is trolling at all.  I think it comes from pure ignorance and zero first hand knowledge. Certainly there are some pixie dust supplements out there that don't work, but there are many legit supplements.  Its one thing to try something and to determine it doesn't work.  Its quite another to make blanket statements about something one has never actually tried. 

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 06:31:24 AM »
Any firsthand experiences, gentlemen? Did it do what it was supposed to do?
i used pump igniter when it first came out and loved it-really put me in a great mood
Bought it again recently and it didn't do much for me
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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 06:47:39 AM »
i used pump igniter when it first came out and loved it-really put me in a great mood
Bought it again recently and it didn't do much for me

 I tried phenibut for the first time a few months ago. Pretty much mimicked the effects of alcohol. A moderate dose made me calmer and more sociable, but a high dosage made my bedroom and stomach spin.

 No stomach issues with picamilon?

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 07:27:28 AM »
I tried phenibut for the first time a few months ago. Pretty much mimicked the effects of alcohol. A moderate dose made me calmer and more sociable, but a high dosage made my bedroom and stomach spin.

 No stomach issues with picamilon?
no stomach issues
What is phenibut?
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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 07:48:35 AM »

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 05:19:21 PM »
I tried phenibut for the first time a few months ago. Pretty much mimicked the effects of alcohol. A moderate dose made me calmer and more sociable, but a high dosage made my bedroom and stomach spin.

 No stomach issues with picamilon?


How many mg did you use?

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 08:14:30 PM »
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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2016, 06:39:16 AM »

How many mg did you use?

 2,500 - 3,000 worked okay. Anything much higher than that ruined my day.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2016, 07:33:32 AM »
thx for the info :)
Where do I find this stuff?

Phenibut is awesome... I use the SNS brand, and its also in the sleep powder I use each night...


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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2016, 09:11:09 AM »
Phenibut is awesome... I use the SNS brand, and its also in the sleep powder I use each night...


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You use the powder every night?

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2016, 06:48:16 AM »
 Most of the info I read suggests that Phenibut toleration doesn't take too long to build up.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 03:58:22 PM »
Most of the info I read suggests that Phenibut toleration doesn't take too long to build up.


I have read the same, but I can't speak from experience because I've never used it for more than two consecutive days without at least a week's break. But, when I take it, I'm OUT COLD for a good 8-10 hours.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2016, 05:45:43 AM »
 On a slightly related note, have you guys tried Kratom?

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2016, 11:22:53 AM »
On a slightly related note, have you guys tried Kratom?
ive never heard of it
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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 03:08:22 AM »

This redundant rhetoric is fast becoming tiresome, troll-some, and disruptive to members wishing to engage in constructive discussion about nutrition.


Because supplements are not nutritious. Not because I'm incorrect. Supplements seem to be an on again off again thing on this board.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=254743.125

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 05:30:15 PM »

Because supplements are not nutritious. Not because I'm incorrect. Supplements seem to be an on again off again thing on this board.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=254743.125



I like you, dude. And I've backed you on here before.

But, you're using an inaccurate blanket statement as an automatic, generic reply in most of the threads on this board.

You can debate the general effectiveness of the supplement industry at large. Just don't do it in response to every post in every thread.

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Re: Picamilon banned by the FDA
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2016, 08:53:50 AM »
 I plan on buying some in the NTDF.

 It's basically vitamin B3 and GABA. Why is it being targeted?