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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #725 on: February 15, 2016, 04:50:22 PM »
I just did.  Twice. 

Can you perhaps explain what you'd expect to see take place?

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #726 on: February 15, 2016, 04:58:13 PM »
Can you perhaps explain what you'd expect to see take place?

I don't expect to see anything take place.  He's not going to be elected president. 

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #727 on: February 15, 2016, 05:21:56 PM »
Las Vegas, isn't going to be hilarious how wrong all these people are about Bernie "not winning".

He is cleaning up like no tomorrow, his support is much greater than Obama at this point.  Republicans better wake up and realize that they do not have the same support on their side for any of their candidates, Trump included.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #728 on: February 15, 2016, 05:38:10 PM »
Las Vegas, isn't going to be hilarious how wrong all these people are about Bernie "not winning".

He is cleaning up like no tomorrow, his support is much greater than Obama at this point.  Republicans better wake up and realize that they do not have the same support on their side for any of their candidates, Trump included.

I'm at the point where it seems sure a third-party plant is in wait to make sure he doesn't get in.  I'm thinking a much bigger name than Bloomberg, maybe, but I don't know how much influence Bloomberg has (I hope not much, since he sucks).

The biggest interests want to stop Bernie cold, so he's working against TPTB like no one we've ever seen.

I've been trying to get an explanation for why Bernie is so opposed by certain types of common people, but no one can explain it.

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« Reply #729 on: February 15, 2016, 05:40:51 PM »
I'm at the point where it seems sure a third-party plant is in wait to make sure he doesn't get in.  I'm thinking a much bigger name than Bloomberg, maybe, but I don't know how much influence Bloomberg has (I hope not much, since he sucks).

The biggest interests want to stop Bernie cold, so he's working against TPTB like no one we've ever seen.

I've been trying to get an explanation for why Bernie is so opposed by certain types of common people, but no one can explain it.
Third party would ensure Bernie victory.  It would only split Hillary's vote.  Bernies would only increase.  No Bernie supporter is going to leave him and tons and tons of Hillary supporters are now leaving her for Bernie.

I REALLY REALLY want someone else to jump in to split Hillary's vote further.  It will in effect guarantee a Bernie Sanders nomination victory.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #730 on: February 15, 2016, 05:42:00 PM »
Las Vegas, isn't going to be hilarious how wrong all these people are about Bernie "not winning".

He is cleaning up like no tomorrow, his support is much greater than Obama at this point.  Republicans better wake up and realize that they do not have the same support on their side for any of their candidates, Trump included.

There is no way a socialist pulls independent and cross-over Republicans in the general election.  He's not getting there anyway.  I'll be shocked if he is even competitive throughout the South against Hillary.  His only hope is an indictment, and even then Biden will probably jump in and immediately leapfrog him.    

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« Reply #731 on: February 15, 2016, 05:48:42 PM »
Third party would ensure Bernie victory.  It would only split Hillary's vote.  Bernies would only increase.  No Bernie supporter is going to leave him and tons and tons of Hillary supporters are now leaving her for Bernie.

I REALLY REALLY want someone else to jump in to split Hillary's vote further.  It will in effect guarantee a Bernie Sanders nomination victory.

It would be great if someone could come in time to lower her chances.  I'd love to see that.

No, I'm thinking that if his enemies couldn't derail Bernie before he was nominated (if that is due to happen), then we can almost bet the ranch that someone has already been picked and is waiting on the sidelines to take-on the General Election as a third-party.  Someone who is ready-made to take votes from a guy like Bernie, but who is a phony (an Obama type).  

We cannot underestimate how badly certain forces want to stop him.  No way these guys are going to stand back and just let him walk into the White House.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #732 on: February 15, 2016, 06:21:27 PM »
There is no way a socialist pulls independent and cross-over Republicans in the general election.  He's not getting there anyway.  I'll be shocked if he is even competitive throughout the South against Hillary.  His only hope is an indictment, and even then Biden will probably jump in and immediately leapfrog him.    
Did you not see the voter breakdown in New Hampshire and Iowa.  Bernie has THE MOST Independent support of all candidates.


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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #733 on: February 15, 2016, 06:26:17 PM »
In Iowa, Bernie Sanders got 69 percent of ALL INDEPENDENTS.


Time to start paying attention Dos Equis.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #734 on: February 15, 2016, 08:17:53 PM »
Did you not see the voter breakdown in New Hampshire and Iowa.  Bernie has THE MOST Independent support of all candidates.



Neither New Hampshire nor Iowa provide much of an indication of what happens nationwide. 

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #735 on: February 15, 2016, 08:18:32 PM »
In Iowa, Bernie Sanders got 69 percent of ALL INDEPENDENTS.


Time to start paying attention Dos Equis.

I am.  That's why I was reading up on him.  Didn't like what I learned. 

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« Reply #736 on: February 15, 2016, 08:43:16 PM »
I am.  That's why I was reading up on him.  Didn't like what I learned. 
Keep reading and watching.  You will find that all the data is trending dramatically in Bernie Sanders favor.

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« Reply #737 on: February 16, 2016, 11:11:25 AM »
In Iowa, Bernie Sanders got 69 percent of ALL INDEPENDENTS.


Time to start paying attention Dos Equis.

Nah....I'd rather keep ignoring him

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #738 on: February 16, 2016, 11:49:56 AM »
I am.  That's why I was reading up on him.  Didn't like what I learned. 

What were you reading from?  That Wikipedia link?

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« Reply #739 on: February 16, 2016, 12:13:31 PM »
What were you reading from?  That Wikipedia link?

Yep.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #740 on: February 16, 2016, 12:14:20 PM »
I didn't know Bernie was a carpenter.

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« Reply #741 on: February 16, 2016, 12:19:24 PM »
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During his first year in the House, Sanders often alienated allies and colleagues with his criticism of both political parties as working primarily on behalf of the wealthy.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #742 on: February 16, 2016, 01:35:22 PM »
Little card Bernie typed up for a radio address way back.  My, how the stats have changed since then.


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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #743 on: February 16, 2016, 08:50:10 PM »
Killer Mike and Bernie Killing it at Morehouse College.


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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #744 on: February 18, 2016, 09:36:09 AM »
Bernie Sanders’s Path To The Nomination
Here are the states he needs to win.
By NATE SILVER
FEB 17, 2016

Sen. Bernie Sanders during a rally at Bonanza High School on Sunday in Las Vegas.
EVAN VUCCI / AP

How much trouble will Hillary Clinton be in if she loses in Nevada, where Democrats will caucus on Saturday? How close does Bernie Sanders need to come in South Carolina, which votes a week later? And which states are really “must-wins” for Sanders in March, April and beyond?

We can try to answer all of those questions with the help of the gigantic chart you’ll see below. On the left-hand side of the chart, you’ll find a projection for how each state might go if recent national polls are right, with Clinton ahead of Sanders by about 12 percentage points nationally. The right-hand side is more crucial: It shows how the states might line up if the vote were split 50-50 nationally. Since the Democrats’ delegate allocation is highly proportional to the vote in each state, that means Sanders will be on track to win the nomination if he consistently beats these 50-50 benchmarks. Conversely, Clinton will very probably win the nomination if Sanders fails to do so, especially since superdelegates would likely tip a nearly tied race toward Clinton.


The starting point for these estimates is state-by-state polling from Morning Consult, a non-partisan polling and media firm that has surveyed about 8,000 Democrats online since Jan. 1. That’s a lot of responses, although not enough to provide an adequate sample size for all 50 states; while there are about 800 respondents from California in the sample, for instance, there are only a dozen or so from Montana.

The solution is to blend the polling results with other data. In particular, I used exit polls to determine the nonwhite share of the Democratic electorate in each state and how each state lines up on a liberal-conservative scale (Sanders does better in white and liberal states). I also included the amount of money raised by Clinton and Sanders in each state in individual, itemized contributions, and their ratio of Facebook likes. In states like California where there’s an adequate sample size from the Morning Consult polling, the polling gets a fair amount of weight, but in the smaller states the other factors predominante. (For a more technical explanation of how this is accomplished, check out the footnotes.1)

Don’t get too attached to these: The state-by-state estimates are pretty rough. But they’re calibrated in such a way2 so as to provide a reasonable benchmark of what a 50-50 race would look like. Maybe Michigan is less favorable to Sanders than this estimate holds, for example. That’s fine, but it means he’ll need to make up ground in another state.

What about the states that have already voted? We estimate that in a 50-50 national race, Sanders would win Iowa by about 6 percentage points, and New Hampshire by 26 points. He didn’t quite hit those targets in either state, although he came close — several percentage points better than you’d expect from his current national polling. As we’ve said, however, the real challenges for Sanders lie ahead.

A quick look at the calendar

Nevada. Nevada has a fairly high nonwhite population, but it isn’t especially liberal. Clinton was also well ahead of Sanders in the (relatively small sample) of interviews Morning Consult conducted there earlier this year. It’s possible that Clinton will be hurt because the state holds a caucus, although we don’t have a lot of evidence yet about which Democrat that benefits. In other words — and as much as her campaign might try to avoid admitting it — it’s a state that Clinton “should” win. Conversely, a Sanders win would be a sign he has staying power.

South Carolina. Clinton is the overwhelming favorite in South Carolina, but her margin of victory could be a useful benchmark for where the race stands nationally. Suppose, for instance, that Clinton winds up winning by 17 percentage points in South Carolina (a bit closer than most polls have it). Would that be a good result for her or a bad one? Our chart projects that Clinton would win South Carolina by 11 points in a 50-50 race, so she’d be doing a little bit better than that benchmark. But not a lot better: Such a result would still suggest that the national race had tightened.

Super Tuesday (March 1). Clinton is likely to compile lots of delegates from the seven Southern states that vote on Super Tuesday, although Oklahoma — which is quasi-Midwestern and relatively white — might be Sanders’s best shot at an upset. Sanders should win Vermont by a huge margin, meanwhile. That leaves the Minnesota caucus, Colorado caucus and Massachusetts primary as the races to watch; they’re the sorts of states Sanders absolutely needs to win to have a shot at taking the nomination.

Big-state primaries on March 8 and March 15. This is probably the most important eight-day stretch on the Democratic calendar. Michigan votes on March 8 (as does Mississippi), followed by Florida, Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina and Missouri on March 15. Together, these states will put 857 pledged delegates at stake, or more than 20 percent of the Democrats’ pledged total. (Pledged delegates, chosen by voters, are distinct from superdelegates.) Based on current polling, most of these states favor Clinton either narrowly or substantially, so Sanders will have to make up ground, perhaps enough to win a couple of them outright.

Favorable terrain for Sanders in late March. A series of Western states vote between March 22 and April 9, as does Wisconsin. Almost all of them figure to be favorable to Sanders — including Wisconsin, where he was already almost tied with Clinton in the polls before his New Hampshire win. A possible exception is Arizona, where Clinton beat Barack Obama in 2008 and where the electorate can be tricky to predict.

New York, California and a big blue finale. With some exceptions — Kentucky, West Virginia and Indiana will be interesting to watch — the last quarter of the Democratic calendar mostly resides on the coasts. And there are some big prizes: New York, Pennsylvania and California foremost among them. All three offer advantages and disadvantages to each candidate. For instance, will California’s left-wing politics, which help Sanders, prevail over its racially diverse population, which helps Clinton? Sanders probably needs at least two of the three states, and maybe all of them given Clinton’s lead in superdelegates. A win in California on June 7 would also carry symbolic power, as it’s the last state to vote,3 possibly allowing the winner to claim a mandate from the Democratic electorate.

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. If Sanders can hang tight with Clinton in Nevada on Saturday, his chance of eventually notching a win in California and securing the nomination will look a lot better.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanderss-path-to-the-nomination/

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #745 on: February 19, 2016, 02:41:15 PM »
Projected Nevada results:

Clinton   52.4%
Sanders   46.0%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

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« Reply #746 on: February 19, 2016, 03:37:21 PM »
Projected Nevada results:

Clinton   52.4%
Sanders   46.0%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

who do you think is going to win?...or are you going to bail out like you always do and say "I already answered that" and then when looking back in the thread it appears you've done no such thing?

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #747 on: February 19, 2016, 04:25:48 PM »
who do you think is going to win?...or are you going to bail out like you always do and say "I already answered that" and then when looking back in the thread it appears you've done no such thing?

I'm flattered that you care so much about my opinion.  For the most part, I like to see and listen to other people's opinions.  Usually enlightening.  I'm not one of those who has a need to be heard.   

That said, I suspect it will be Hillary, because Nate Silver's predictions are usually spot on.  He is the one I'll be looking to for the rest of the election season. 

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« Reply #748 on: February 19, 2016, 05:40:51 PM »
I'm flattered that you care so much about my opinion.  For the most part, I like to see and listen to other people's opinions.  Usually enlightening.  I'm not one of those who has a need to be heard.   

That said, I suspect it will be Hillary, because Nate Silver's predictions are usually spot on.  He is the one I'll be looking to for the rest of the election season. 

can you enlighten me as to who Nate silver is?...Thanks

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