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I swear it feels like a read a story like this almost every week.
Navy Vet Gets Eviction Notice After Hanging American Flag on Navy Day
Published November 02, 2011
FoxNews.com
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Edward Zivica faces an eviction after hanging an American flag on Navy Day.
A Navy veteran says he’s being evicted from his Oregon apartment complex for displaying an American flag on Navy Day.
The apartment management company delivered the eviction notice to Edward Zivica after he hung the Old Glory in a common area at the Springfield, Ore., complex, KVAL.com reported. If he doesn't agree to refrain from any more such flag displays, the complex told him, it's anchors aweigh by midnight Nov. 29.
Zivica said he's been displaying the flag for at least a year on holidays such as Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.
Management insists that the flag eviction is not due to a lack of patriotism, and the complex even installed a lit flag pole outside the building after it was requested by some tenants, the report said.
But Zivica criticized the pole, saying it lacks a pulley system, hence you can’t lower the flag to half mast, the report said.
“I’m not doing something so terrible,” he told the station.
Terry McDonald, the CEO of St. Vincent de Paul, the management company, told the station that the notice was for “hanging something outside the building without permission.”
“If you're going to live in a situation where there's lots of other tenants, you need to follow the rules that are set up,” McDonald said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/navy-vet-gets-eviction-notice-after-hanging-american-flag-on-navy-day/?test=latestnews
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Rules are rules. This idiot shouldn't have put anything in the common area.
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Dude should by his own house or property, then he can put all the flags he wants up. Since the management company owns that complex they have every right to enforce their own terms and conditions. Letting patriotism infringe on private property rights is unpatriotic.
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Judge: School Can Ban American Flag Shirts
Nov 10, 2011
A federal court has ruled that a California public school had the authority to prevent students from wearing clothing emblazoned with pro-American messages on the Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo.
U. S. District Court Judge James Ware was ruling in a case involving students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, CA, who were banned from wearing American flag t-shirts on the Mexican holiday in 2010.
The judge determined that the Morgan Hill Unified School District did not violate the First Amendment and said that concerns by school officials over possible violence justified censoring the pro-American message.
“The school officials reasonable forecast that Plaintiff’s clothing could cause a substantial disruption with school activities, and therefore did not violate the standard set forth – by requiring that Plaintiff’s change,” the judge wrote.
“This is nothing more than political correctness,” said John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute. His organization, along with Thomas More Law Center, represented the students and their families in the lawsuit.
“If these kinds of decisions are upheld, they will destroy our First Amendment rights,” Whitehead told Fox News.
The lawsuit stems from an incident that generated national attention last May when three students wore patriotic t-shirts, shorts and shoes to class.
Whitehead said the boys were approached by assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez who instructed them to either remove their pro-American shirts or turning them inside out.
“The students were told their shirts would offend Hispanics,” Whitehead said.
The students refused to change because they said it would be disrespectful to the flag. At that point, Whitehead said they were ordered to the office where Rodriguez allegedly lectured the trio on Cinco de Mayo and told them that their clothing would offend Hispanic students on “their” day.
Whitehead said the school’s behavior was incredibly offensive.
“It’s offensive to most Americans,” Whitehead told Fox News. “The symbol of America is the American flag.”
The school district maintained their only concern was student safety – and that’s why they asked the boys to change their shirts.
Wes Smith, the superintendent of the school district, told Fox News that he is “very satisfied with the decision.”
“We were encouraged to hear that the federal court found student safety paramount,” Smith said. “The other finding – that we did not infringe or deny students their First Amendment rights was also encouraging.”
Rutherford said they plan on appealing the judge’s decision, arguing that it sends a terrible message to students.
“It teaches students that at any moment, any time, a state official can shut down free speech and that’s what we’re going to fight against,” he said.
Smith noted that the 2011 Cinco de Mayo celebration went off without a hitch.
http://radio.foxnews.com//toddstarnes/top-stories/judge-school-can-ban-american-flag-shirts.html
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Dude should by his own house or property, then he can put all the flags he wants up. Since the management company owns that complex they have every right to enforce their own terms and conditions. Letting patriotism infringe on private property rights is unpatriotic.
I agree.
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Retired Police Officer Reportedly Told to Remove Flag Honoring Victims of 9/11
Published November 20, 2011
FoxNews.com
A retired New York City police officer living in Florida has been ordered to take down his flag commemorating September 11 by his homeowners’ association, WPLG reports.
Richard Wentz, who helped victims out of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, has been told he has just days to take down his flag or face possible legal action.
"That flag means the world to me. Other than my children, that flag means the world to me," said Wentz.
A letter from the Fairways at Heron Bay association said the flag detracts from the aesthetic harmony of the surrounding properties. Wentz said he was confronted by Patricia Favata, president of the property’s board of directors, according to the station.
No one was at Favata's home when WPLG Local 10 tried to talk to her.
Wentz said he ran into Tower 1 and started pulling out people before the building collapsed. He said he lost 43 friends and colleagues that day.
Wentz says he now has cancer, from breathing in all the particles during the cleanup of Ground Zero.
"I will not take that flag down. That flag will remain up. I don't care how many fines they want to give me, how many notices they want to give me, I refuse to take that down," Wentz told the station.
Click for more on the story from Local10.com
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/20/retired-police-officer-reportedly-told-to-remove-flag-honoring-victims-11/?test=latestnews
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war on american flags,war on christmas,give it a break the rules are the rules
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war on american flags,war on christmas,give it a break the rules are the rules
Rules are rules and should be followed---as long as it is in the liberal playbook ::)
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i didn't' know there were liberal or conservative apartments :D
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i didn't' know there were liberal or conservative apartments :D
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You know exactly what I meant. Liberals and conservatives both cry about the rules only when it fits their agenda. Those apartments were in the Pacific Northwest, California and NYC. So you could say they are liberal apartments. Nobody would pull a douche move like that in most common sense states.
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You know exactly what I meant. Liberals and conservatives both cry about the rules only when it fits their agenda. Those apartments were in the Pacific Northwest, California and NYC. So you could say they are liberal apartments. Nobody would pull a douche move like that in most common sense states.
what are the common sense states,can you name them
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Anything between the coasts where we cling to our guns and god etc....flyover states...
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what are the common sense states,can you name them
They are the states where you dont turn on the radio and hear about the introduction of rediculous legislation. I just left the liberal capital of the world, California, and this was a daily occurence. But, just for you Mr. female hygeine product. The Pacific northwest to include California and most of the northeast. I'm not typing out states for you "homie" ::)
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thanks theflamerfalsehood
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damn took you an awful long time to get to 1000. pick up the speed man :D
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Quality over quantity my friend,at least that's what I tell my wife :D
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American Flag Put Up to Honor Soldier, Then Thrown in Dump Truck by Maryland State Workers
Controversy is brewing in Woodbine, Md. today after an American flag was disposed of by being thrown in a dump truck.
Rhonda Winkler chose to honor her nephew who was being deployed to Afghanistan three years ago by placing an American flag in the center of a prominent traffic circle in Woodbine. For the past three years, the Winklers have replaced the flag every few months.
Earlier in December, Winkler received a call saying the flag had been taken down and thrown in a dump truck by state workers.
“[They] told us it was against the law to erect a flag on the traffic circle. They told my husband that whoever put up the flag would be arrested for trespassing,” Winkler said. “We figured, ‘it’s the American flag and we live in the United States of America; how can anyone have a problem with that?’”
Watch the video below for more.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/30/american-flag-put-up-to-honor-soldier-then-thrown-in-dump-truck-by-maryland-state-workers/#more-80994
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American Flag Put Up to Honor Soldier, Then Thrown in Dump Truck by Maryland State Workers
Controversy is brewing in Woodbine, Md. today after an American flag was disposed of by being thrown in a dump truck.
Rhonda Winkler chose to honor her nephew who was being deployed to Afghanistan three years ago by placing an American flag in the center of a prominent traffic circle in Woodbine. For the past three years, the Winklers have replaced the flag every few months.
Earlier in December, Winkler received a call saying the flag had been taken down and thrown in a dump truck by state workers.
“[They] told us it was against the law to erect a flag on the traffic circle. They told my husband that whoever put up the flag would be arrested for trespassing,” Winkler said. “We figured, ‘it’s the American flag and we live in the United States of America; how can anyone have a problem with that?’”
Watch the video below for more.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/30/american-flag-put-up-to-honor-soldier-then-thrown-in-dump-truck-by-maryland-state-workers/#more-80994
Not agreeing with the (alleged) treatment of the flag but I am confused. Her husband and her erect a structure -- apparently without any permission -- in land they do not own, and she's confused that it is taken down? That it's a flagpole is irrelevant.
Again - not happy with the mistreatment of the flag, if it occurred; but I think having it taken down is entirely appropriate.
If they had gone and asked for permission and followed the right procedures, the chances are overwhelming that the flagpole would have been approved. So I don't understand why they didn't do that. And she's confused that an unauthorized structure erected on State land without the consent of the State was taken down... What? ???
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Not sure what I think about this.
Federal Judge Okays Flag Desecration
Mar 23, 2012
By Todd Starnes
A federal judge has declared Missouri’s flag desecration law is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced.
U.S. District Judge Carol E. Jackson issued a permanent injunction in the case of Frank Snider, who was arrested in 2009 for cutting up an American flag and throwing it into the street.
“The sense of patriotism that runs through Missouri is strong,” Attorney General Chris Koster told Fox News in a written statement. “Although we understood that defending the statute was an uphill battle, most Missourians have a strong reaction against flag desecration. Our defense of the statute was our attempt to give voice to that patriotic sentiment.”
The Attorney General’s office told Fox News they are still reviewing the judge’s ruling and haven’t made any decisions on next steps. Missouri is among at least 20 states with laws banning flag desecration.
Missouri’s flag desecration law states: “Any person who purposefully and publicly mutilates, defaces, defiles, tramples upon or otherwise desecrates the national flag of the United States or the state flag of the state of Missouri is guilty of the crime of flag desecration.”
The law considered flag desecration a misdemeanor penalty.
However, the judge ruled that the entire statute was invalid because it prohibits a substantial amount of protected speech.
The American Civil Liberties Union hailed the judge’s ruling, calling it “satisfying” but “not surprising.”
“It’s a long delayed victory in Missouri,” said ACLU attorney Tony Rothert in an interview with the Associated Press. “The Supreme Court has been pretty clear that these statues are unconstitutional.”
The Missouri chapter of the American Legion denounced the ruling and said it was a sad day for the state.
“Anger,” is how Kenneth Goth, the American Legion Dept. Commander described his reaction to Fox News. “There’s a lot of people who fight for our country and that flag. You never see a veteran do that because they know what the honor is.”
Goth said he is passionate about the American flag. To him, the flag “means my country.” He said people who desecrate the American flag do so to “show their stupidity.”
“People can take their freedom of speech a little too far and doing that to the American flag does,” he said.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/federal-judge-okays-flag-desecration.html
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Order to remove American flags from fire engines triggers protest
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Protesters lined the road near the Seminole Fire Department on Sunday after they were recently told firefighters had to remove small American flags that were flying from fire engine windows. (PHOTO/Cheryl Glassford, BN9)
By Cheryl Glassford, Reporter
Last Updated: Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 05:45AM Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on googleShare on emailMore Sharing Services43iPollWhat do you think of the Seminole Fire Dept.'s decision to remove American flags from fire engines?
Horns were honking for red, white and blue Sunday, as protesters lined the road near the Seminole Fire Department after being told firefighters had to remove small American flags that were flying from fire engine windows.
The order to remove the flags came from Seminole Fire Chief George Bessler after the department received a complaint from a community member about flag placement.
City officials referred to U.S. Code Title 36 Chapter 10, section 175 that states hanging flags out windows is a violation. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the code states the staff has to be fixed to the chassis or the right fender.
Bessler said it's important they properly display the flags, so they don't unintentionally offend someone using the nation's flag.
Word spread about the decision. Those who came out in protest were offended by not allowing the flags to fly how they were and want the flags back on the trucks. "I want to see these guys be allowed to fly their flags," protest organizer Dave Dabney said.
"It's pretty much being patriotic towards the country, military and the fire service in general," former firefighter Howard Hirschfield said.
According to Hirschfield, some firefighters dispute whether the U.S. code applies to their engines. "I think a lot of firefighters across the country right now fly their flag on their apparatus, especially after 9/11," he said.
A flag already flies in front of the Seminole fire station and is worn proudly on their uniforms.
To the firefighters it’s about pride and respect, but city officials said it’s that respect they’re trying to protect with their decision.
Bessler said if the firefighters submit a formal proposal for flying flags on their trucks, the department and city is willing to try to reach a compromise if the flags are flown in accordance with U.S. code.
"If at any time the City of Seminole receives a request to mount the US flag on City apparatus in compliance with the US Code, it will be considered," the fire department said in a statement released Sunday evening.
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/7/15/protest_held_after_a.html
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The American Flag needs to be displayed correctly. This isn't something freaking new. The only thing new is how many people are oblivious to flag code and etiquette.
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The American Flag needs to be displayed correctly. This isn't something freaking new. The only thing new is how many people are oblivious to flag code and etiquette.
THIS
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Appeals court to consider Calif. school's Cinco de Mayo American flag ban
Published October 17, 2013
Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO – Racial tensions and gang problems were plaguing a Northern California high school when three students arrived for classes in 2010 wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo.
Unpleasant verbal exchanges and altercations marked the previous year's Cinco de Mayo celebrations at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, 20 miles south of San Jose. So when students told administrators that trouble was a possibility because of the American flag attire, the students were ordered to turn their shirts inside out or go home.
They went home, and the incident sparked a national debate, prompting satellite news trucks to camp outside the school for several days afterward as well-known pundits across the political spectrum argued about the issue over the airwaves. Cinco de Mayo is observed by some as a celebration of Mexican heritage.
The three students have since graduated, but a federal appeals court in San Francisco on Thursday will consider their lawsuit alleging the school violated their free speech and equal protections rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. The three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is not expected to rule Thursday.
A lower court tossed out the students' lawsuit in December 2011, ruling that school administrators have wide legal latitude to ensure the safety and effective operation of their campuses and a "perceived threat" of violence vindicated the principal's decision.
The lower court judge who tossed out the case, the now-retired Chief Judge James Ware, noted that "our Constitution grants public school children only limited First Amendment rights when they enter the schoolhouse gates," while conceding this particular case has landed in "important legal territory."
University of California, Los Angeles, law professor and free speech expert Eugene Volokh calls such punishment a "heckler's veto." In public, speakers are protected from such a restriction and allowed to voice most opinions. On-campus students don't enjoy the same free speech rights.
"A school may restrict a student's speech," Volokh said, "to prevent unruly disruptions."
Still, Volokh said administrators can -- and sometimes do -- go too far and overreact to a perceived threat that may not cause a big enough on-campus stir to warrant the censorship.
"The fact of the matter is that these Americans were punished for wearing the American flag at an American school," Volokh said.
The students' lawyers work for three separate nonprofit legal centers dedicated to politically conservative causes.
William J. Becker Jr., of the newly formed Freedom X organization based in Los Angeles, said in a phone interview Wednesday that the trial court judge who tossed out the case was "unfortunately too wrapped up in political correctness" in ruling the school's action was appropriate because administrators perceived a threat. Lawyers with the Thomas More Law Center and American Freedom Law center, both based in Ann Arbor, Mich., also represent the former students.
Becker argues that to censor students' free speech rights, an actual and "immediate" threat of violence or disruption has to be apparent.
"Nobody is alleging that any disruption was caused by the shirts," Becker said. "The students in this case were deprived of their Constitutional rights simply by displaying their patriotism."
School officials and their lawyer didn't return phone calls Wednesday.
"This is not a case about the flag, or the First Amendment rights of adults in a public forum," the school district lawyer's argued in court papers. "This is a case about whether we allow school administrators, familiar with the circumstances in their schools, to take reasonable steps to protect student safety in the face of threats and a history of violence."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/17/appeals-court-to-consider-calif-school-cinco-de-mayo-american-flag-ban/
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Judge: School Can Ban American Flag Shirts
Nov 10, 2011
A federal court has ruled that a California public school had the authority to prevent students from wearing clothing emblazoned with pro-American messages on the Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo.
U. S. District Court Judge James Ware was ruling in a case involving students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, CA, who were banned from wearing American flag t-shirts on the Mexican holiday in 2010.
The judge determined that the Morgan Hill Unified School District did not violate the First Amendment and said that concerns by school officials over possible violence justified censoring the pro-American message.
“The school officials reasonable forecast that Plaintiff’s clothing could cause a substantial disruption with school activities, and therefore did not violate the standard set forth – by requiring that Plaintiff’s change,” the judge wrote.
“This is nothing more than political correctness,” said John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute. His organization, along with Thomas More Law Center, represented the students and their families in the lawsuit.
“If these kinds of decisions are upheld, they will destroy our First Amendment rights,” Whitehead told Fox News.
The lawsuit stems from an incident that generated national attention last May when three students wore patriotic t-shirts, shorts and shoes to class.
Whitehead said the boys were approached by assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez who instructed them to either remove their pro-American shirts or turning them inside out.
“The students were told their shirts would offend Hispanics,” Whitehead said.
The students refused to change because they said it would be disrespectful to the flag. At that point, Whitehead said they were ordered to the office where Rodriguez allegedly lectured the trio on Cinco de Mayo and told them that their clothing would offend Hispanic students on “their” day.
Whitehead said the school’s behavior was incredibly offensive.
“It’s offensive to most Americans,” Whitehead told Fox News. “The symbol of America is the American flag.”
The school district maintained their only concern was student safety – and that’s why they asked the boys to change their shirts.
Wes Smith, the superintendent of the school district, told Fox News that he is “very satisfied with the decision.”
“We were encouraged to hear that the federal court found student safety paramount,” Smith said. “The other finding – that we did not infringe or deny students their First Amendment rights was also encouraging.”
Rutherford said they plan on appealing the judge’s decision, arguing that it sends a terrible message to students.
“It teaches students that at any moment, any time, a state official can shut down free speech and that’s what we’re going to fight against,” he said.
Smith noted that the 2011 Cinco de Mayo celebration went off without a hitch.
http://radio.foxnews.com//toddstarnes/top-stories/judge-school-can-ban-american-flag-shirts.html
I just read about this, and it is what I was looking for when I just logged in, to see if anyone saw that. Fucking dumb ass school administration. How about keep your fucking kids under control instead of sending them home for wearing a flag t shirt. They are not the problem.
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Dude should by his own house or property, then he can put all the flags he wants up. Since the management company owns that complex they have every right to enforce their own terms and conditions. Letting patriotism infringe on private property rights is unpatriotic.
Sucks but it's the truth. Dude probably isn't allowed to grill on his porch, either.
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Judge: School Can Ban American Flag Shirts
Nov 10, 2011
Smith noted that the 2011 Cinco de Mayo celebration went off without a hitch.
http://radio.foxnews.com//toddstarnes/top-stories/judge-school-can-ban-american-flag-shirts.html
What the hell, BB? This story is from almost 2 years ago but lacks an update. So is this now the political history board? Lame.
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Retired Police Officer Reportedly Told to Remove Flag Honoring Victims of 9/11
Published November 20, 2011
FoxNews.com
A retired New York City police officer living in Florida has been ordered to take down his flag commemorating September 11 by his homeowners’ association, WPLG reports.
Richard Wentz, who helped victims out of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, has been told he has just days to take down his flag or face possible legal action.
"That flag means the world to me. Other than my children, that flag means the world to me," said Wentz.
A letter from the Fairways at Heron Bay association said the flag detracts from the aesthetic harmony of the surrounding properties. Wentz said he was confronted by Patricia Favata, president of the property’s board of directors, according to the station.
No one was at Favata's home when WPLG Local 10 tried to talk to her.
Wentz said he ran into Tower 1 and started pulling out people before the building collapsed. He said he lost 43 friends and colleagues that day.
Wentz says he now has cancer, from breathing in all the particles during the cleanup of Ground Zero.
"I will not take that flag down. That flag will remain up. I don't care how many fines they want to give me, how many notices they want to give me, I refuse to take that down," Wentz told the station.
Click for more on the story from Local10.com
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/20/retired-police-officer-reportedly-told-to-remove-flag-honoring-victims-11/?test=latestnews
Third copy pasta'd story in a row from November 2011? Did Beach Bum invent a way back machine? What gives?
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What the hell, BB? This story is from almost 2 years ago but lacks an update. So is this now the political history board? Lame.
Watch you talkin bout Willis?? This thread was created in November 2011, not yesterday.
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Good.
Protesters wave American flags outside school that banned them on Cinco de Mayo
By Jessica Chasmar
The Washington Times Monday, May 5, 2014
Free-speech supporters rallied outside a Silicon Valley high school Monday morning after the 9th Circuit Court upheld the school district’s decision to ban students from wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo.
About 30 people silently held American flags outside of Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, the San Jose Mercury News reported. “No trespassing” signs and a large fence now surrounds the school, where a nationwide controversy erupted four years ago.
Latino students had complained after four Live Oak students came to the school on the Mexican holiday wearing American flag T-shirts. Administrators told the students to turn the T-shirts inside out or go home.
“Apparently they don’t want the children to be exposed to democracy in action,” said Gilroy-Morgan Hill Patriots President Georgine Scott-Codiga, a local ABC affiliate reported.
The story caused nationwide controversy concerning the students’ safety and their rights to free speech. An appeals court ultimately ruled in favor of the school district, arguing that the concerns of racial violence outweighed students’ freedom-of-expression rights. Apparently, the high school had a history of problems between white and Latino students on that day.
A number of Latino residents spoke out against the rally at a recent school board meeting and urged to have it moved elsewhere. Miss Scott-Codiga promised the rally will be “peaceful,” a local CBS affiliate reported.
Morgan Hill resident Joseph Carillo has planned a Cinco de Mayo counter-protest at the school.
“I think it’s better to promote Cinco de Mayo as Cinco de Mayo, and not as an American protest,” he said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/protesters-wave-american-flags-outside-school-bann/#ixzz30xaaXKsQ
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Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Sides Rules Against the American Flag
September 18, 2014 By Jennifer Burke
On Wednesday, America celebrated Constitution Day. It was also the day that a ruling came from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the case out of California where the principal at Live Oak High School made four students remove their American flag t-shirts, which they wore on May 5, Cinco de Mayo, because the principal said students of Mexican heritage might view the shirts as offensive.
The principal, Miguel Rodriguez, said he was concerned the American flag shirts would be seen as incendiary and lead to violence. It should be noted that other students were wearing Mexican flag shirts and flying Mexican flags at this American high school.
The Daily Caller reports on the court’s ruling.
Our role is not to second guess the decision to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration or the precautions put in place to avoid violence,” the court modestly observed. “Here, both the specific events of May 5, 2010, and the pattern of which those events were a part made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real.”
Consequently, the court proclaimed, Rodriguez acted constitutionally when he told students to turn their American flag shirts inside-out or hit the road with an excused absence because he was trying to prevent potential violence.
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/18/ninth-circuit-court-of-appeals-sides-rules-against-the-american-flag/
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School tells kids to remove American flags on 9/11
By Todd Starnes
Published September 17, 2014
FoxNews.com
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FILE -- Sept. 10, 2014: Members of the Alpha Tau Omega fraternity place American flags in the yard in front of their house on the University of Mississippi campus in Oxford, Miss. The fraternity placed about 3,000 flags for the people killed in the 9/11 attacks. (AP Photo/The Daily Mississippian, Thomas Graning)
Sometimes good intentions have unintended consequences. Just ask the principal of Woodruff High School in Spartanburg, South Carolina.
Principal Aaron Fulmer made national headlines this week after he directed students to remove American flags from their pickup trucks on September 11.
The patriotic teenagers had mounted large American flags in their truck beds – in violation of a longstanding school policy.
American flag bumper stickers are fine. So are American flag T-shirts. But students simply cannot fly American flags in their pickup trucks.
The policy, which has been in place for more than 20 years, bans anything that creates a disturbance on campus or draws an unusual amount of attention to itself.
“A bumper sticker is not going to do that from a distance, but a pole flag is,” Superintendent Rallie Liston told me in a telephone interview. “The American flag was never an issue for us. It was never anti-American flag. It was just no pole flags – period.”
Liston said the original rule was created to prevent students from showing up at school with Confederate flags.
“It was inflammatory,” the superintendent told me. “Finally, we reached a point where we said no more pole flags.”
American flag bumper stickers are fine. So are American flag T-shirts. But students simply cannot fly American flags in their pickup trucks. Such behavior is impermissible.
As the superintendent explained, it prevents someone from showing up with something offensive.
“If it’s an American flag – everybody is excited about it,” he said. “But what if it’s the Nazi flag or another flag you might not be congruent with?”
As you might imagine, the school’s decision has led to lots of protests and name-calling. A group of parents even stood outside the school waving American flags.
Superintendent Liston says all the anti-American accusations are just as far from the truth as can be.
“These are the most God-fearing, flag-waving, patriotic people you will ever find,” he said. “They are God and Country.”
But he said that with the growing fears over the Islamic State as well as the 9/11 commemoration – he realized at bit of hindsight was necessary.
“We dropped the ball with 9/11,” he told me matter-of-factly. “In hindsight we apologize to any veteran or service person for this happening. That was not our intent. It was just a rule that has been consistently enforced.”
In the meantime, he said there’s a good chance that next year the school will host a special program commemorating 9/11.
“I don’t want to ever get in the position where we take the American flag down again,” Liston told me.
Superintendent Liston seems like a true Southern gentleman – and I believe his apology is sincere.
As we say in the South – you know when somebody’s cooking your grits. And Superintendent Liston was not cooking my grits.
Nevertheless, it’s deeply troubling when any public school suppresses the patriotism of American teenagers.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/09/17/school-tells-kids-to-remove-american-flags-on-11/?intcmp=obnetwork
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^ They wouldn't say shit if it was a Mexican or African or a muslim nation's flag - or any other country's flag other than the US... or even an Isis or other fanatics' flag, for that matter. It would be all about "tolerance" then. ::)
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^ They wouldn't say shit if it was a Mexican or African or a muslim nation's flag - or any other country's flag other than the US... or even an Isis or other fanatics' flag, for that matter. It would be all about "tolerance" then. ::)
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Haven't you read up on this situations and others like it? Are you posting only to be a contrarian? Would you mind explaining the situation to me?
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Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Sides Rules Against the American Flag
September 18, 2014 By Jennifer Burke
On Wednesday, America celebrated Constitution Day. It was also the day that a ruling came from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the case out of California where the principal at Live Oak High School made four students remove their American flag t-shirts, which they wore on May 5, Cinco de Mayo, because the principal said students of Mexican heritage might view the shirts as offensive.
The principal, Miguel Rodriguez, said he was concerned the American flag shirts would be seen as incendiary and lead to violence. It should be noted that other students were wearing Mexican flag shirts and flying Mexican flags at this American high school.
The Daily Caller reports on the court’s ruling.
Our role is not to second guess the decision to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration or the precautions put in place to avoid violence,” the court modestly observed. “Here, both the specific events of May 5, 2010, and the pattern of which those events were a part made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real.”
Consequently, the court proclaimed, Rodriguez acted constitutionally when he told students to turn their American flag shirts inside-out or hit the road with an excused absence because he was trying to prevent potential violence.
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/18/ninth-circuit-court-of-appeals-sides-rules-against-the-american-flag/
An interesting decision - I'm using the term loosely - and from a very interesting panel... this ought to be taken up to the Supreme Court, but I doubt they'll grant cert.
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to the "they" my original remark was addressed. The original poster started his statement by saying....."THEY......"
so, who are they? where are your links showed who "they" are to which you refer.
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Haven't you read up on this situations and others like it? Are you posting only to be a contrarian? Would you mind explaining the situation to me?
why should I have to explain to you; you were the one that stated, "THEY......" and I'm asking who 'they' are. other than your own opinion. you must have some source to quote.
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College student told to remove American flag from apartment balcony
Management clarifies rules after talking to Team10
10News Digital Team , Melissa Mecija
5:27 PM, Sep 19, 2014
11:54 AM, Sep 21, 2014
SAN DIEGO - A local college student contacted Team 10 after he said his apartment complex managers told him he needed to take down his American flag.
Brad Smith moved into the new Boulevard 63 Apartments last month. The property is not owned or operated by San Diego State University.
A couple days ago, he received a notice to remove the American flag hanging from his balcony.
Smith asked the apartment community managers why.
"We were then told that it was for political reasons and that the flag could offend foreign people that live here, foreign exchange students," Smith said.
That did not sit well with the SDSU sophomore.
"I've had friends and family fight to defend that flag," Smith said.
Team 10 took a closer look at the lease and the community rules.
The rules do say "no signs or other personal property may be kept outside the premises" and management determines what is "permissible and acceptable."
Even the notice that Smith got said flags could not be displayed.
"This was never brought to my attention, saying this is the reason right here," Smith said.
Team 10 contacted an attorney who specializes in tenant-landlord issues. He said apartment complexes do have rules that regulate visible areas such as balconies.
"Clearly, they want to keep it clean and that's something they want to accomplish. It's a compelling reason, but it's hardly a reason that's going to overcome your free speech," said attorney Christian Curry.
The community manager told Team 10 anyone that displays a banner or flag will receive a notice.
However, a representative with the apartment complex owner later said something different.
Melanie Flaherty, the vice president of marketing for Carmel Partners, said, "We allow state and country flags."
She said there was a "misunderstanding" between the tenant and the community managers and the rules will be changed.
Team 10 informed Smith about the change. He said that is what he was hoping to achieve and believes the flag should continue to hang proudly.
http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/american-flag-at-center-of-controversy-at-college-area-apartment-complex-09192014
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why should I have to explain to you; you were the one that stated, "THEY......" and I'm asking who 'they' are. other than your own opinion. you must have some source to quote.
What are you rambling on about? They? You don't seem to be very knowledgeable about the subject. Hell, you didn't even pay enough attention to the conversation in this thread to realize I'm not the one who wrote they. Can you explain the situation to me? Do you have an opinion on it? I know you don't like the right leaning posters on getbig and your only reason for posting in this thread to whine and be confrontational. Contribute something construction or get the fuck out. You're boring everybody with your predictability.
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Contribute something construction or get the fuck out.
contribute some construction.
ok, a building or bridge diagram?
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Flag flap: Indiana veteran, wife battle homeowners association over Old Glory
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published October 28, 2014
FoxNews.com
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Bob Willits, 82, of Greenfield, Ind., insists he'll fight a local homeowners Association over the American and POW/MIA flags outside his home. (FOX59.com)
An elderly veteran and his wife say there’s “absolutely no way” the flagpole outside their Indiana home is coming down, despite threats from a homeowners association — and a local prosecutor intends to back them in court if necessary.
Bob and Judy Willits insist they intend to fight multiple letters from the Fieldstone Homeowners Association regarding the American and POW/MIA flags outside their Greenfield home. The couple was first told in early September that the freestanding patriotic display wasn’t welcome since it wasn’t mounted to the home.
“We have absolutely no plans to take it down,” Judy Willits told FoxNews.com on Tuesday. “It would be kind of a bloody situation if we had to take the flag down at this point.”
Judy Willits said her 82-year-old husband served four years during the Korean War and now suffers from Parkinson’s disease, as well as a lung ailment that limits his mobility. She said they wanted to show their devotion to the country and sense of community when they first put up the flags around July Fourth.
“He’s paid his price. He doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment. And we never thought this would be a problem.”
- Judy Willits
“He’s paid his price,” she said. “He doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment. And we never thought this would be a problem.”
Local authorities apparently don’t think it should be an issue, either. Hancock County Prosecuting Attorney Michael Griffin addressed the homeowners board in an Oct. 23 letter, saying he intends to file a lawsuit if the matter is not resolved by Nov. 1.
“According to the board’s letter dated Oct. 18, the board takes the position that it has authority under the ‘time, place, or manner’ provision of the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005,” the letter reads. “In relying on ‘time, place, or manner,’ the board interprets its authority much too broadly.”
The Flag Act, Griffin wrote, actually prevents homeowners associations from enforcing most kinds of regulations regarding display of the American flag unless a “substantial interest” exists.
“The association apparently assumes that it has a legally‐sufficient ‘substantial interest,’” Griffin’s letter continued, noting the association has cited outdoor maintenance as one reason it has oversight of the pole. But, Griffin wrote, "Every homeowners association has those interests. If those general interests were enough, the law would not require a ‘substantial interest,’ it would simply say that homeowners associations always have the right to regulate ‘time, place, or manner.’ But the law does not say that. The law requires a ‘substantial interest,’ something more than the usual interests of homeowners associations.”
Judy Willits said the real issue is the flagpole in the center of a flower bed in the home’s front lawn.
“They want to penalize us for having the flag,” she said. “They say it’s too hard for landscapers to mow, but it’s not in the way. Our argument is it doesn’t hurt anybody.”
Kaye Eckert, president of the homeowners board, confirmed that the flagpole is the crux of the problem.
“We do not tell anyone they cannot fly a flag,” she told FOX 59 last week. “What we are having a problem with is the flagpole. Flagpoles are not allowed in this association. It’s never, ever been about the flag, which that’s what seems to come to the foreground all the time.”
Judy Willits said her husband — whose brother, also a veteran, never returned from Korea — shouldn’t have to fight all over again for the right to fly the flag.
"This really hurts us," she told FoxNews.com. "And unless the courts make us take it down, we’re not going to take it down."
Bob Willits agreed, telling FOX 59: "They can't force me to take it down."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/28/indiana-veteran-wife-vow-not-to-take-down-flag-in-homeowners-flap/
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Vandals burn school’s American flag donated by Marine
January 21, 2015
Kyle Olson
SPRINGFIELD, Ore. – A Marine was nearly reduced to tears when he discovered the American flag he donated to a school lacking one had been burned by vandals.
First Sergeant Reginald Daniels donated a flag to Oregon’s Brattain Early Learning Center when he discovered its flag pole was bare.
A few days later, the school called, asking him how much it cost.
“They needed a price tag on the flag,” Daniels tells KVAL, “and I was like, ‘Why do they need that?’ And they said that the flag was burned.”
He went to the school and visited the teachers.
The Marine says someone burned the flag and left it flying at half-staff.
“Some of the teachers kind of teared up a little bit and then they took me in to the back room and showed me the flag that was burned,” Daniels says.
“I was lost for words,” he said, choking up, “to see that someone had pulled the flag down off the pole and burned it.”
Undeterred, Daniels gave the school a new flag.
“The flag represents something a lot bigger than all the military services,” he told the news station.
“We put the uniform on to protect it, so that you and I and the little kids in the school can have something better. “It’s bigger than you taking the time to burn the flag in our own country.”
Daniels served a total of three tours in Afghanistan in Iraq and has two children.
And he’s proud of America.
“I love this country and what it stands for. I know everybody has their views, but I think everybody can have something that they can look proudly at, and that’s – I take pride in the flag,” he says.
“Someone out there thinks that this is OK. And this is the exact reason why I wear this uniform, so that – to show them that it’s not.”
http://eagnews.org/vandals-burn-schools-american-flag-donated-by-marine/
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Texas Man Told to Remove American Flag Because It Was a ‘Threat’ to Muslims (Video)
By Top Right News on February 10, 2015 in Islam
by Jason DeWitt | Top Right News
Since when is it offensive to display the American flag — in AMERICA?
That’s what one Texas man was wondering last week.
Go out to the balcony of Duy Tran’s apartment, and you’ll see something he is very proud of: an American flag. “It means a lot to me,” he told KHOU-TV in Houston:
But Tran said the manager of the Lodge on El Dorado apartments doesn’t see it that way, and told him he had to take down his flag because it’s a “threat to the Muslim community.”
What? Tran said the reasoning stunned him: “I’m not a threat toward anybody.” Tran heard that some of his Muslim neighbors complained. About what? Are these citizens? Legal immigrants? Refugees? What country do they think they are living in?
The property managers refused to answer such questions and had a police officer escort a reporter off the premises, leaving it a mystery who were the Muslims who complained and whether the owner was Muslim. They also issued this bizarre statement, which read in part:
“While the Lodge on El Dorado admires our resident’s patriotism, we must enforce our property rules and guidelines. Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents. The apartment community already proudly displays our country’s flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
Safety? Safe? So the American flag is a threat to “others”, in this case Muslims, and they need to remove it to keep them safe? Insanity.
Tran doesn’t care what they think. He will not remove Old Glory.
“I’m gonna leave my flag there, as an American, until she shows me proof that I don’t have the right to leave my flag there,” Tran told the station. “I have friends that died for this country.”
The station reported that no complex residents would come forward to state their objections about Tran’s flag and that several of his neighbors said they want his flag to stay there. Duy Tran points out that several of his friends died defending this nation, and he should have the right to express himself at his home.
So our flag is a threat” to Muslims despite no Muslims going on record opposing it. The Redskins are “disparaging to Native Americans” despite the vast majority of Native Americans polled saying they have no problem with the name. See a pattern here? The symbols of America and American exceptionalism are under constant attack by the left and this administration.
We salute Duy Tran for standing strongly on America’s side.
His landlord? Not so much. If you want to find out why (since they dodged the press) you can contact them HERE.
http://toprightnews.com/?p=3912
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. If these are the future leaders of our country, then God help us. :-\
This part is funny. And true: "The resolution passed 6-4. Two people abstained. Let me break down the vote for you -- six unAmerican students, four patriots and two individuals who could have a career in House Republican leadership."
Students at UC Irvine vote to ban American flag
By Todd Starnes
Published March 06, 2015
FoxNews.com
Students at the University of California, Irvine have voted to make their school a more “culturally inclusive” place by banning the American flag.
The Associated Students of University of California (ASUCI) passed a resolution March 3 that would remove the Stars & Stripes along with every other flag from the lobby of a complex housing the offices of the student government.
“Designing a culturally inclusive space aims to remove barriers that create undue effort and separation by planning and designing spaces that enable everyone to participate equally and confidentially,” read the resolution authored by Matthew Guevara.
The resolution passed 6-4. Two people abstained. Let me break down the vote for you -- six unAmerican students, four patriots and two individuals who could have a career in House Republican leadership.
Guevara’s resolution, which was in dire need of an edit, rambled on about “paradigms of conformity” and “homogenized standards” and blah, blah, blah.
It sounds like Mr. Guevara could have a future career in community organizing or the Democratic party.
“The American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism,” he bemoaned. “Flags not only serve as symbols of patriotism or weapons for nationalism, but also construct cultural mythologies and narratives that in turn charge nationalistic sentiments.”
I know, folks. I know it’s California. But this is beyond bizarre even for the yoga and granola crowd.
I reached out to the university for a comment and a very nice spokesperson (who seemed anxious for the weekend) assured me the university did not endorse the resolution.
She also told me the executive board of the student government association is going to meet this weekend and discuss the possibility of a veto.
Reza Zomorrodian, the ASUCI president and a young patriot, told me he was very upset over the student government’s actions and will push for a veto.
“It’s an attack on American values,” he said. “A lot of people want to come to the United States for a reason – it’s because of the freedoms we have.”
Zomorrodian told me the legislation was the result of a longstanding feud over the display of the American flag. He said unknown perpetrators kept taking down the flag and he would put it back up. The flag is currently folded and being protected in a vice president’s office.
“I’m really disappointed in our legislative council right now,” he said. “I’m firmly against what they did. I think it was a horrible idea.”
Zomorrodian said he wants the American public to know that UC Irvine is a patriotic campus.
“Only six people voted for this,” he said. “We have 22,000 undergrads here. Six people made this decision. The UC Irvine has made huge contributions to bettering this country. This is an elected body that made a decision for the whole and will suffer the consequences of making that decision.”
Mr. Zomorrodian sounds like a very nice young man who understands what the American flag represents --- and I hope he musters the votes necessary to rehoist the Stars & Stripes.
As for the handful of un-American rabblerousers who’ve brought shame upon the campus of UC Irvine – I would offer these gentle words:
If you have a problem with the flag and what that flag stands for and the brave men and women who died for that flag – then you are more than welcome to pack your bags and haul your ungrateful buttocks across the border.
And one final thought about the vandals who keep taking down the flag in the dark of night. I wonder if Mr. Zomorrodian has considered asking the university’s ROTC program for help. I suspect a handful of young soldiers might be able to nip that problem in the bud.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/06/students-at-uc-irvine-vote-to-ban-american-flag/
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UC Irvine reverses American flag ban
By Todd Starnes
Published March 08, 2015
FoxNews.com
The Star-Spangled Banner will once again wave at the University of California, Irvine, after student government leaders nixed a bid to ban the American flag from a campus lobby.
Members of the executive cabinet of the Associated Students of UC Irvine met Saturday in an emergency session to reverse the flag ban.
“Our campus is patriotic and proud,” student government President Reza Zomorrodian told me. “We did something right for our campus.”
Zomorrodian, said he was furious that a handful of student legislators pushed through the ban.
“Our campus stands with the flag,” he said.
On March 3, student legislator Matthew Guevara authored a bill to remove the American flag, along with all other flags, from the lobby of a campus building housing their offices. Click here to read my original column.
Guevara said he wanted to make the university a more “culturally inclusive” place by banning Old Glory.
“Designing a culturally inclusive space aims to remove barriers that create undue effort and separation by planning and designing spaces that enable everyone to participate equally and confidentially,” read the resolution.
The student government’s decision created a firestorm of national outrage from alumni, current students and the university’s administration.
“This misguided decision was not endorsed or supported in any way by the campus leadership, the University of California, or the broader student body,” read a statement posted online by the university. “The views of a handful of students passing a resolution do not represent the opinions of the nearly 30,000 students on this campus, and have no influence on the policies and practices of the university.”
They also tweeted a photograph showing the Stars & Stripes were still posted at the taxpayer-funded university.
As for the student government association’s flag, that will be rehoused on Monday, Zomorrodian said.
Guevara and his band of cohorts could not be reached for comment. They aren’t talking publicly and Zomorrodian said he hasn’t been able to locate them. But when he does - he plans on giving them an earful, he said.
Zomorrodian said he was especially offended that they banned the flag because he is a first generation American.
“That’s why the flag is special to me,” he said. “I was born here. My parents came here as immigrants.”
That makes him proud to be an American, and to stand up for the flag.
“This country has been great to our family,” he said.
The university’s administration should also be commended for their swift condemnation of the flag ban. It’s refreshing to see there are still educators who still love the land of the free, the home of the brave.
If nothing else, this episode has shown the nation that the University of California, Irvine has hundreds, if not thousands, of young men and women who love our nation.
I was especially pleased to hear that a member of the university’s ROTC volunteered to stand guard over Old Glory — just in case someone tried to snatch it in the dark of night.
God bless America, friends.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/08/uc-irvine-reverses-american-flag-ban/
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Professors: US flag symbolizes racism, should not be displayed on campus
By Todd Starnes
Published March 11, 2015
FoxNews.com
A group of university professors has signed a letter showing their solidarity with students who tried to ban the American flag at the University of California, Irvine – because they said Old Glory contributes to racism.
“U.S. nationalism often contributes to racism and xenophobia, and that the paraphernalia of nationalism is in fact often used to intimidate,” read a letter obtained by the website Campus Reform.
A group of Californian lawmakers is working on a bill that that would prohibit publicly funded universities from banning the American flag.
Hundreds across the nation have signed the letter – including some U.C. Irvine professors, Campus Reform reported.
"We admire the courage of the resolution's supporters amid this environment of political immaturity and threat, and support them unequivocally" the letter stated.
How those professors can sleep at night knowing their salaries are paid for by a bunch of xenophobic racists is beyond me.
On March 3 the U.C. Irvine student government association voted 6-4-2 to remove Old Glory from a campus lobby for the sake of cultural inclusivity.
The un-American knuckleheads blathered on about how "the American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism."
Breitbart quoted an unnamed student who said the student government association feared the flag might hurt the feelings of illegal aliens.
“There were people who were like, ‘the flag triggers me’ – that was their exact wording, too,” the student said.
Over the weekend, the executive leadership of student government met and vetoed the legislation and by Monday the flag was once again posted in the campus lobby.
“Our campus is patriotic and proud,” student government President Reza Zomorrodian told me. “We did something right for our campus.”
A March 10th legislative meeting to discuss the controversy was canceled after the university received a “viable threat of violence.”
While the threat was not specific, university officials said they were taking the threat seriously and urged students to be diligent.
“Regardless of your opinion on the display of the American flag, we must be united in protecting the people who make this university a premier institution of higher learning,” Chancellor Howard Gillman wrote in a statement posted on the university’s website.
Meanwhile, a group of Californian lawmakers is working on a bill that that would prohibit publicly funded universities from banning the American flag.
Here's how it should work: you ban the flag -- we ban your student loans.
I'm old school. Where I come from, you salute Old Glory, you don't toss it in a closet. You don't ban it.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/11/professors-us-flag-symbolizes-racism-should-not-be-displayed-on-campus/
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Veteran Wraps Baby in American Flag, Photo Sparks Controversy
Mar 11, 2015
By GILLIAN MOHNEY
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PHOTO: A picture of a baby being held by his father in an American flag sparked controversy online.
Photographer Vanessa Hicks said this picture of an infant being held by his father in an American flag sparked controversy online. Courtesy Vanessa Hicks
A photographer and Navy veteran is fighting back after a photo she posted to Facebook started an online backlash.
Vanessa Hicks said she had no idea her photo would be considered controversial. The photo, from a military family’s newborn photo shoot, showed a newborn infant wrapped in an American flag held by his father, who was in his military uniform.
Hicks, a Navy veteran herself and the wife of an active-duty Navy member, said her intention was to honor the flag as well as her clients, who wanted to incorporate their military service in the photo shoot.
“This is what he was fighting for, his son wrapped in an American flag,” Hicks told ABC News. However, when she posted the image on her page, she started to get comments accusing her of desecrating the flag.
On one Facebook page an unidentified poster put up her picture writing and wrote they found it was “disrespectful, rude, tacky, disgusting, and against the U.S. Flag Code.”
The Federal Flag Code has guidelines for the proper treatment of the U.S. Flag but there are no rules for punishment related to violations. In the past, the Supreme Court has found that people are protected from punishment under the First Amendment for manipulating or even burning the flag.
Hicks said she was surprised when messages suddenly started to pop up on her Facebook page and even her own website criticizing her photos.
She said she stayed up until 4 a.m. recently to take down comments from her business and company page, even on shoots that had nothing to do with the flag.
“I know how low I felt during those first few hours,” said Hicks. “[I felt] am I not a good American or veteran or wife. It’s a train-wreck you can’t help but watch.”
As Hicks tried to stop the comments from taking over her pages, others started to take notice and her picture went viral on social media sites. After that, Hicks found that many people, both military and civilian, told her they did not find the picture offensive.
“I have seen first-hand what is desecration of the flag,” Hicks said of her time in the military. “At the end of the day I didn’t do anything that disrespected this flag.”
Hicks, whose husband is still on active duty in the Navy, said the flag is a symbol of U.S. freedoms including the First Amendment right to free speech.
“[My husband] wouldn’t die for a flag, he would die for the freedoms that this country offers,” she told ABC News.
After her story grabbed local headlines, Hicks has been inundated by requests for photos shoots, and she said she plans to give 15 percent of all profits related to these shoots to the USO.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/photographer-fights-backlash-baby-wrapped-american-flag-picture/story?id=29557727
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Upstate N.Y. School Apologizes For Reciting Pledge Of Allegiance In Arabic
March 19, 2015
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PINE BUSH, N.Y. (CBSNewYork/AP) — A school in upstate New York has apologized for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic after complaints from district residents who lost family members in the Afghanistan war.
The pledge was read in Arabic during Wednesday morning announcements at Pine Bush High School, located 65 miles northwest of New York City.
Some students were angered and responded with catcalls. District Superintendent Joan Carbone told the Times Herald-Record of Middletown that she received complaints from residents who lost relatives in Afghanistan and from Jewish parents.
The Arabic reading of the pledge has “divided the school in half,” she told the newspaper.
The district said the school’s foreign language department arranged to have the pledge recited in different languages for National Foreign Language Week, which was last week.
Andrew Zink, the senior class president, usually gives the morning announcements and recites the pledge. He said he allowed an Arabic-speaking student to handle the pledge duties Wednesday.
“The intention was to promote the fact that those who speak a language other than English still pledge to salute this great country,” the district said in its statement.
The principal made a building-wide announcement Wednesday afternoon to explain the reading’s context and apologize to students who took offense to it being recited in Arabic. In a statement posted on the district’s website, officials said they apologized “to any students, staff or community members who found this activity disrespectful.”
Carbone said the pledge will be read in English only from now on, as is directed in state Department of Education regulations.
However, New York State Education Department spokesman Dennis Tompkins issued a statement to CBS2 that said, “State regulation specifies the wording of the Pledge, not the language.”
The Pine Bush district spreads across rural parts of Orange, Sullivan and Ulster counties. Its total enrollment is about 5,500 students.
In 2013, the parents of several Jewish students attending Pine Bush elementary and middle schools said their children were the targets of anti-Semitic harassment from classmates. The families filed a federal civil rights lawsuit, claiming district officials turned a blind eye to the behavior. In November, a federal judge in White Plains ruled the case could go forward.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/03/19/upstate-n-y-school-apologizes-for-reciting-pledge-of-allegiance-in-arabic/
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Flag fracas at Valdosta State
Protesters walk on Stars and Stripes; veteran banned from university for taking flag from demonstrators
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An unidentified demonstrator walks on an American flag in front of Valdosta State University’s Odum Library Friday. Shortly after this photo was taken, a local activist was detained for taking the flag from a protest group in what she said was an attempt to dispose of it properly. She was not charged in the incident but was banned from VSU in the future.
Posted: Friday, April 17, 2015
BY ADAM FLOYD, adam.floyd@gaflnews.com
VALDOSTA — A military veteran was detained but not charged by Valdosta State University police after she approached a group of protesters on campus who were walking on an American flag and took it from them.
Michelle Manhart, an Air Force veteran, said she was not planning to take the flag from the group, but she had heard about the group’s recent campus demonstrations and wanted to take action.
“I did not want anything like this, but I got a call from a student who told me that the flag was on the ground, and they were walking on it,” said Manhart. “I was just going over there to pick up the flag off the ground. I don’t know what their cause is, but I went to pick it up because it doesn’t deserve to be on the ground.”
Manhart said she was taken into custody by VSU police officers who then returned the flag to the demonstrators. She admitted to The Valdosta Daily Times that she resisted arrest after seeing the flag being returned.
The group reportedly declined to press charges against Manhart. The officers attempting to detain her also declined to press charges for resisting.
Instead, Manhart was given a criminal trespass warning which effectively bans her from any university activity, including graduation and football games, said Andy Clark, vice president for enrollment, marketing and communications.
The demonstrators declined to identify their group to The Valdosta Daily Times or speak with a reporter about their cause, but they did engage VSU students in heated debate.
One member of the group who declined to speak with The Valdosta Daily Times or identify himself told a VSU student that putting the American flag on the ground and walking on it was “a symbol of our protest. When a slave understands his situation and understands he doesn’t want to be in slavery, he does not respect or revere anything his slavemaster has put in front of him.”
Manhart said she was not on campus long enough to discern the group’s message. However, she said if the cause was racism, she agreed with the cause but opposed the method of protest.
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/local_news/flag-fracas-at-valdosta-state/article_8c1f2320-e559-11e4-93ad-dbffd6e2dfd8.html
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Flag fracas at Valdosta State
Protesters walk on Stars and Stripes; veteran banned from university for taking flag from demonstrators
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An unidentified demonstrator walks on an American flag in front of Valdosta State University’s Odum Library Friday. Shortly after this photo was taken, a local activist was detained for taking the flag from a protest group in what she said was an attempt to dispose of it properly. She was not charged in the incident but was banned from VSU in the future.
Posted: Friday, April 17, 2015
BY ADAM FLOYD, adam.floyd@gaflnews.com
VALDOSTA — A military veteran was detained but not charged by Valdosta State University police after she approached a group of protesters on campus who were walking on an American flag and took it from them.
Michelle Manhart, an Air Force veteran, said she was not planning to take the flag from the group, but she had heard about the group’s recent campus demonstrations and wanted to take action.
“I did not want anything like this, but I got a call from a student who told me that the flag was on the ground, and they were walking on it,” said Manhart. “I was just going over there to pick up the flag off the ground. I don’t know what their cause is, but I went to pick it up because it doesn’t deserve to be on the ground.”
Manhart said she was taken into custody by VSU police officers who then returned the flag to the demonstrators. She admitted to The Valdosta Daily Times that she resisted arrest after seeing the flag being returned.
The group reportedly declined to press charges against Manhart. The officers attempting to detain her also declined to press charges for resisting.
Instead, Manhart was given a criminal trespass warning which effectively bans her from any university activity, including graduation and football games, said Andy Clark, vice president for enrollment, marketing and communications.
The demonstrators declined to identify their group to The Valdosta Daily Times or speak with a reporter about their cause, but they did engage VSU students in heated debate.
One member of the group who declined to speak with The Valdosta Daily Times or identify himself told a VSU student that putting the American flag on the ground and walking on it was “a symbol of our protest. When a slave understands his situation and understands he doesn’t want to be in slavery, he does not respect or revere anything his slavemaster has put in front of him.”
Manhart said she was not on campus long enough to discern the group’s message. However, she said if the cause was racism, she agreed with the cause but opposed the method of protest.
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/local_news/flag-fracas-at-valdosta-state/article_8c1f2320-e559-11e4-93ad-dbffd6e2dfd8.html
I don't have a problem with any of this. It wasn't her flag and she can't just go taking other people's property.
I also find it ironic that this lady objects to having the flag on the ground and gets all verklept with patriotism, especially when she did substantially the same thing while posing nude with the flag for Playboy. Fucking hypocritical bitch.
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I don't have a problem with any of this. It wasn't her flag and she can't just go taking other people's property.
I also find it ironic that this lady objects to having the flag on the ground and gets all verklept with patriotism, especially when she did substantially the same thing while posing nude with the flag for Playboy. Fucking hypocritical bitch.
Yeah. Not exactly the right person to be on her high horse about the flag.
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Illinois teacher fired for stepping on U.S. flag
By Tribune wire reports contact the reporter Educators
June 30, 2015
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A teacher in eastern Illinois has been fired for stepping on a small U.S. flag during a lesson on free speech.
The Martinsville School District board voted 6-0 to fire English teacher Jordan Parmenter. Martinsville is about 80 miles southeast of Champaign near the Indiana state line.
The district had placed Parmenter on leave after the May 15 incident.
Parmenter has said he used the flag as a pointer during a lesson on free speech at Martinsville Junior-Senior High School.
A student complained that the teacher was being disrespectful, and Parmenter said he then stepped on the flag as an example of free speech.
Parmenter declined to comment about being fired. He said he plans to speak to his union representative.
Associated Press
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-illinois-teacher-fired-for-stepping-on-us-flag-20150630-story.html
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Professors: US flag symbolizes racism, should not be displayed on campus
By Todd Starnes
Published March 11, 2015
FoxNews.com
A group of university professors has signed a letter showing their solidarity with students who tried to ban the American flag at the University of California, Irvine – because they said Old Glory contributes to racism.
A group of Californian lawmakers is working on a bill that that would prohibit publicly funded universities from banning the American flag.
“U.S. nationalism often contributes to racism and xenophobia, and that the paraphernalia of nationalism is in fact often used to intimidate,” read a letter obtained by the website Campus Reform.
A group of Californian lawmakers is working on a bill that that would prohibit publicly funded universities from banning the American flag.
Hundreds across the nation have signed the letter – including some U.C. Irvine professors, Campus Reform reported.
"We admire the courage of the resolution's supporters amid this environment of political immaturity and threat, and support them unequivocally" the letter stated.
How those professors can sleep at night knowing their salaries are paid for by a bunch of xenophobic racists is beyond me.
On March 3 the U.C. Irvine student government association voted 6-4-2 to remove Old Glory from a campus lobby for the sake of cultural inclusivity.
The un-American knuckleheads blathered on about how "the American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism."
Breitbart quoted an unnamed student who said the student government association feared the flag might hurt the feelings of illegal aliens.
“There were people who were like, ‘the flag triggers me’ – that was their exact wording, too,” the student said.
Over the weekend, the executive leadership of student government met and vetoed the legislation and by Monday the flag was once again posted in the campus lobby.
“Our campus is patriotic and proud,” student government President Reza Zomorrodian told me. “We did something right for our campus.”
A March 10th legislative meeting to discuss the controversy was canceled after the university received a “viable threat of violence.”
While the threat was not specific, university officials said they were taking the threat seriously and urged students to be diligent.
“Regardless of your opinion on the display of the American flag, we must be united in protecting the people who make this university a premier institution of higher learning,” Chancellor Howard Gillman wrote in a statement posted on the university’s website.
Meanwhile, a group of Californian lawmakers is working on a bill that that would prohibit publicly funded universities from banning the American flag.
Here's how it should work: you ban the flag -- we ban your student loans.
I'm old school. Where I come from, you salute Old Glory, you don't toss it in a closet. You don't ban it.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/11/professors-us-flag-symbolizes-racism-should-not-be-displayed-on-campus.html
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Reno mayor apologizes for LGBT flag replacing American flag above city hall
Published July 28, 2015
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The mayor of Reno, Nev., reportedly apologized after the American flag was replaced atop city hall with an LGBT flag.
According to the Reno Gazette-Journal, Mayor Hillary Schieve had asked that the rainbow pride flag be hung at city hall during gay pride events over the weekend.
But in the process of flying that flag, the city took down the American flag. The mayor maintains that was never her intent.
“I can most certainly see why people would be offended or upset," she said in a statement. "I did not order that the American flag be taken down. I have asked that the flag be put up immediately.”
Schieve said she took full responsibility for the mishap. According to the Gazette-Journal, Reno celebrated the Northern Nevada PRIDE Festival on Saturday.
“I thought it [the pride flag] would hang at the front door of city hall,” she told the Gazette-Journal. She added in the statement: “It was certainly not the city’s intention to be disrespectful, and it should have never happened.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/28/mayor-reno-says-sorry-for-lgbt-flag-above-city-hall-but-no-american-flag/?intcmp=hplnws
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Student punished for American flag shirt
A North Texas student was punished recently for wearing an American flag T-shirt to school.
By: FOX4News.com Staff
Jaegur’s mom, Shelly Goode, says her son Jaegur does his best to follow the rules.
Jaegur is a junior at Seagoville High School. He’s passionate about ROTC and hopes to earn a scholarship through the program.
“He wants to go into the military,” said Shelly. “He wants to help people, and any bad marks doesn't look good.”
But Monday, Shelly says an administrator asked Jaegur to lift his hoodie.
“Underneath that shirt, he was wearing [the American flag] shirt,” said Shelly.
When Jaegur lifted his hoodie, he was sent to in-school suspension.
Seagoville High doesn’t require uniforms; just that students wear solid color shirts. The only exceptions are made for school and college logos or shirts supporting the military.
“Why doesn't [the shirt Jaegur wore] count?” FOX 4’s Diana Zoga said.
“I have no idea,” said Shelly. “I would like that answer.”
Shelly, who works the nightshift at a hospital, lost sleep driving to Jaegur’s school, only to have the assistant principal stand by the punishment.
“If he was breaking the rules, he would be punished and he would have to honor whatever they give him, but he wasn't, and I have to stand by him for that,” said Shelly.
So, Shelly requested an explanation in writing, and FOX 4 started asking the district questions.
While FOX 4 was with Shelly on Tuesday, she received a call from the principal, who apologized for all the trouble and confirmed that yes, the American flag can be worn in school.
“The fact that acknowledging it is huge, and the fact that they're willing to stand by and see mistakes and grow from them, that means a lot,” said Shelly.
Seagoville High is in the Dallas Independent School District. It confirms that flags can be displayed on clothing.
The school’s principal said he was off campus on Monday when the incident happened.
He also explained to Shelly that the in-school suspension time doesn’t go onto a student’s disciplinary record.
http://www.fox4news.com/news/20311560-story
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Student punished for American flag shirt
A North Texas student was punished recently for wearing an American flag T-shirt to school.
By: FOX4News.com Staff
Jaegur’s mom, Shelly Goode, says her son Jaegur does his best to follow the rules.
Jaegur is a junior at Seagoville High School. He’s passionate about ROTC and hopes to earn a scholarship through the program.
“He wants to go into the military,” said Shelly. “He wants to help people, and any bad marks doesn't look good.”
But Monday, Shelly says an administrator asked Jaegur to lift his hoodie.
“Underneath that shirt, he was wearing [the American flag] shirt,” said Shelly.
When Jaegur lifted his hoodie, he was sent to in-school suspension.
Seagoville High doesn’t require uniforms; just that students wear solid color shirts. The only exceptions are made for school and college logos or shirts supporting the military.
“Why doesn't [the shirt Jaegur wore] count?” FOX 4’s Diana Zoga said.
“I have no idea,” said Shelly. “I would like that answer.”
Shelly, who works the nightshift at a hospital, lost sleep driving to Jaegur’s school, only to have the assistant principal stand by the punishment.
“If he was breaking the rules, he would be punished and he would have to honor whatever they give him, but he wasn't, and I have to stand by him for that,” said Shelly.
So, Shelly requested an explanation in writing, and FOX 4 started asking the district questions.
While FOX 4 was with Shelly on Tuesday, she received a call from the principal, who apologized for all the trouble and confirmed that yes, the American flag can be worn in school.
“The fact that acknowledging it is huge, and the fact that they're willing to stand by and see mistakes and grow from them, that means a lot,” said Shelly.
Seagoville High is in the Dallas Independent School District. It confirms that flags can be displayed on clothing.
The school’s principal said he was off campus on Monday when the incident happened.
He also explained to Shelly that the in-school suspension time doesn’t go onto a student’s disciplinary record.
http://www.fox4news.com/news/20311560-story
Dumb. Also, who the fuck names their kid jaegur? They didn't even spell it right.
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In the ongoing effort to raise a generation of sissies . . . .
School cancels 'America Day'
By Todd Starnes
Published October 05, 2015
FoxNews.com
Patriotic teenagers in Jackson Hole, Wyoming showed up to class Wednesday waving American flags in defiance of educators who canceled “America Day” over fears it might upset students who don’t consider themselves to be American.
Administrators at Jackson Hole High School pulled the plug on “America Day” – citing concerns that celebrating the USA would alienate some of their young people, the Jackson Hole Daily reported.
Activities Director Mike Hansen said that a number of students did not feel American and felt “targeted and singled out by this day.”
I wish I could say what happened in Jackson Hole was an anomaly. However, there are many other public schools engaged in similar anti-American behavior.
“America Day” was part of a homecoming tradition at the high school. Students would show up to class either waving American flags or wearing red, white and blue clothing.
“Many different students could have felt singled out,” Hansen told the newspaper. “We’re trying to be inclusive and safe, make everyone feel welcome.”
Principal Scott Crisp echoed those concerns, telling the newspaper that they wanted the homecoming activities to “bring our students together holistically as a student body.”
You’d expect that kind of academic hog wash in Berkeley, California – but Jackson Hole, Wyoming?
The newspaper reported that a number of juniors and seniors protested “political correctness” by showing up to school wrapped in American flags.
And at least one Son of Liberty flew Old Glory from his diesel truck – which I’m sure drew the ire of environmentalists.
“It’s homecoming week and our school administration thought it was too ‘offensive’ to have an America Pride Day,” parent Ted Dawson wrote on Facebook. “Where have we gone so wrong! I don’t care what race or religion you are, you live here, benefit from the schools, enjoy tax benefits or whatever – your (sic) an American or at least you better be.”
One wing nut liberal actually thought the school’s decision to cancel America Day was appropriate.
“Unchecked nationalism is not a great thing and has historically resulted in gross atrocities here and elsewhere,” the unnamed woman wrote on Facebook.
I wish I could say what happened in Jackson Hole was an anomaly. However, there are many other public schools engaged in similar anti-American behavior.
There was a school system in Tennessee that banned the American flag. There was a school district in Massachusetts that banned a day to celebrate the Land of the Free. And there was a California school district that prohibited American flag t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo.
The New York Post called Jackson Hole’s anti-American activities a “pathetic and perverse ban on patriotism.”
“The right response would’ve been to explain to those teens that they are Americans – as entitled to take pride in this nation and its flag as kids whose forebears have been here for generations,” the newspaper’s editorial board wrote.
There was a time when immigrants came to America because they loved freedom. They loved this land of opportunity. They wanted a better life for their children. But I’m afraid those days may be long gone.
And I suspect we would be a much better country if we gave all the America-haters the heave-ho.
As we say back home in Tennessee, don’t let the screen door hit ya where the Good Lord done split ya.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/10/05/school-cancels-america-day.html?intcmp=hplnws
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Florida College Bans Pledge of Allegiance
Wednesday, 14 Oct 2015
A Florida college in Tampa has banned the Pledge of Allegiance after some students, faculty and staff said it made them feel uncomfortable and violated their “academic freedom.”
Hillsborough Community College’s Institutional Advisory Committee took the action, it seems, more from a lack of enthusiasm about the time-honored ritual of patriotism than from anger or specific protests. Students also complained that it took too long to perform.
But HCC students who served in the military said they felt dishonored and insulted.
"I'm serving our country and my dad and my grandfather did, too,” said student Angela Brown. “I think it's messed up.”
Jason Rodriguez, who served 16 years in the military and now attends HCC, agreed.
“Maybe some of them have not had an opportunity to fight for their country, and know what it's really like,” said Rodriguez.
One former Marine, Scott Vosler, now an HCC student, said he and others fought to defend the very freedom the council members have to not say the pledge if they so choose.
But they could at least, he says, put their hands over their hearts and let others say the pledge out of respect.
“If you don't, then I'm sad,” said Vosler. “Because a lot of people have bled and died for you to have the freedoms that you do.”
The school's president says the administration will attend the next Institutional Advisory Committee meeting, making it clear the administration does not support the decision.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/florida-college-bans-pledgeof/2015/10/14/id/696291/#ixzz3og3DHco5
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Navy veteran fights California city to fly American flag again
Published March 20, 2016
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King-Kennedy community center in Modesto, Calif. (City of Modesto)
A broken flagpole at a community center in Northern California has a Navy vet seeing red.
George Russell wants to fly the Red, White and Blue at the King Kennedy Memorial Center in west Modesto. He said he’s been trying for years to get the City of Modesto to address the problem.
“As a veteran, all I ask is the flagpole. Fix the flagpole,” Russell, who is in his 70s, tells KXTV.
Flag thieves broke the cable to raise and lower the American flag a long time ago.
Russell urged the city to mount the flag permanently and install a light to fly it at night to foil any vandalism.
But the fix would cost Modesto nearly $10,000, the station reported.
Russell complained that the city is already spending $75,000 on a bicycle race that’s not even taking place in Modesto.
“Why you spending $75,000 to house bike riders and feed them and you can’t fix a flagpole in front of a city-owned building?” Russell told the station.
KXTV told viewers that union electricians have stepped up to install the light for free.
“We just want to do what is right and add a light to the flagpole and get it flying for him,” union rep Bobby Stutzman said.
Modesto’s new mayor, Ted Brandvold, said Russell hasn’t been ignored for years.
He told the station work on the flagpole will begin soon.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/20/navy-veteran-fights-california-city-to-fly-american-flag-again.html?intcmp=hplnws
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High School bans American flag at football stadium
By Todd Starnes
Published August 29, 2016
FoxNews.com
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Travelers Rest alum Hunter Ballew is blocked by a police officer from entering the football stadium.
Dean “Chico” Bolin was my great uncle.
But to the folks around Travelers Rest, South Carolina, Uncle Chico was a legend – on and off the football field.
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He was a good man – a Christian man –a no-nonsense disciplinarian.
Uncle Chico was also a Marine. He fought in World War II and was severely wounded – shot in the leg at Iwo Jima.
When Chico returned home he enrolled at Furman University and eventually took a job at Travelers Rest High School.
Among his first assignments was to restart the dormant football program. So that’s exactly what he did – naming the squad in honor of his beloved Marines.
And since 1949, the football team at Travelers Rest High School has been known as the “Devildogs.”
Uncle Chico, who passed away in 2007, lived long enough to see the school name its new football stadium in his honor – a decorated war hero who loved America.
So you can understand why our family was disturbed to learn that students and fans were blocked from entering the stadium with American flags.
This item appeared in the Greenville News:
“Several people posted about the incident on social media Saturday, claiming the student wasn’t allowed to carry the flag into Friday night’s Travelers Rest – Berea game because it might offend Berea’s large Hispanic community.”
Beth Brotherton, a spokesperson for Greenville County Schools, confirmed to me that several students who wanted to bring American flags were blocked from entering the stadium.
“The principal, in an effort to prevent any potential issue in this rivalry game, decided not to allow students to bring in full-sized American flags,” she told me. “They were turned away at the gate with the flag and told they were welcome to come in but they could not bring their flags with them.”
So here’s the back story: during last year’s game, some students allegedly flew Old Glory and hollered out, “Go home, go home.”
“The principal made a decision in terms of what he thought was best for student safety,” Ms. Brotherton said. “Because of prior incidents, that was not something he felt like was in the best interest of maintaining a good relationship between the two school communities.”
Travelers Rest Police Chief Lance Crowe disagrees with the principal’s decision and fired off a statement letting the locals know that the police department loves America and Old Glory.
“To my knowledge, every TRPD officer, except one, believes that barring the American flag from a football game is not a correct policy,” Chief Crowe wrote.
The school district wanted me to make it very clear there is no official policy banning the American flag. Blocked, barred, whatever.
But if that’s the case – if there is no ban on the flag - will fans be permitted to fly the Star-Spangled Banner on Friday night?
“We’re going to have to make decisions wisely on a case-by-case basis,” she replied.
It’s a mighty sad day in Travelers Rest, South Carolina – where patriotism is determined on a “case-by-case” basis – in a stadium named after a man who nearly gave his life defending the Stars & Stripes.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/29/high-school-bans-american-flag-at-football-stadium.html
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Here's what we're angling toward by attaching actual personal identities to the insanity. Make a real person answer for it.
Schieve said she took full responsibility for the mishap. According to the Gazette-Journal, Reno celebrated the Northern Nevada PRIDE Festival on Saturday. “I thought it [the pride flag] would hang at the front door of city hall,” she told the Gazette-Journal. She added in the statement: “It was certainly not the city’s intention to be disrespectful, and it should have never happened.”
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Flag-stomping teacher has no regrets, wants student punished
By Todd Starnes Published September 21, 2016
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The teacher who desecrated the American flag inside a North Carolina classroom told me he has no regrets and wants the student who photographed him to be punished.
Lee Francis, a first year history teacher at Massey Hill Classical High School in Fayetteville, has been placed on administrative leave while the school district investigates the incident.
Francis admitted stomping on an American flag Monday during a lesson on the First Amendment. A photo of the incident, taken by a student, was posted on Facebook and went viral.
“Do I regret what I did? Absolutely not,” Mr. Francis told me in an exclusive telephone interview. “Would I do it again? All I can say is I did it and I stand by it.”
Mr. Francis said he has obtained legal counsel.
“There were some laws broken as far as photos of me taken that violate the county’s policies – and issues that could be considered defamation of character,” he said.
He said the student who snapped the photo of the flag desecration “broke the law.”
“I believe that child does need to be punished in some way – absolutely,” he said. “I can’t take a picture of them and in turn they cannot do the same of me.”
Mr. Francis confirmed most of the events as they were reported by local news organizations – including the actions of a young patriot.
He said the student got up from his desk, took the desecrated flag and left the classroom.
“I don’t personally blame the children,” the teacher told me. “This is exactly what America is about. This is exactly what freedom of speech is about – freedom of protest. You stand upf or what you believe in. Whether or not I agree is not really the point.”
And based on the outrage posted on my Facebook page, many residents around Fayetteville and nearby Fort Bragg do not agree with the teacher’s actions.
“What that teacher did was a gut punch to all the military kids at that school,” one livid active duty parent told me.
Mr. Francis said he did not intend to offend or disrespect the military with his anti-American lesson.
“That was not the goal, that was not the point of the lesson,” he said. “For me, it was about the First Amendment, teaching about the Bill of Rights, the beginning of what we call America.”
Supt. Frank Till, Jr. told television station WRAL, “There are other ways to teach First Amendment rights without desecrating a flag.”
Mr. Francis said he does not disagree with that assessment.
If nothing else, the offensive lesson is a reminder of how public schools have become incubators for un-American activities.
It’s unclear what became of the desecrated flag and it’s also unclear whether the first year teacher will be a second year teacher at the school.
Should Mr. Francis need to find gainful employment, perhaps he would be more comfortable with a career in the National Football League?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/21/flag-stomping-teacher-has-no-regrets-wants-student-punished.html
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Howard University cheerleaders kneel during National Anthem
Ny daily news ^ | September 21, 2016 | CHRIS SOMMERFELDT
Posted on 9/22/2016, 7:41:01 AM by lowbridge
For over a month, athletes across the U.S. have been sitting and kneeling during "The Star Spangled Banner" in a nod to footballer Colin Kaepernick's well-documented protest against police brutality.
Now, cheerleaders are joining in on the action.
The Howard University Cheerleaders knelt while the National Anthem blasted from speakers during the AT&T Nation's Football Classic at RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C. Saturday afternoon, CNN reported.
Howard is one of the country's few historically black universities, with notable alums such as New York City's first African-American mayor, David Dinkins, and Congressman Elijah Cummings.
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Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem
Fox News ^ | September 26, 2016
Posted on 9/26/2016, 1:00:17 PM by detective
U.S. Navy sailor is under investigation for refusing to stand during the national anthem.
Intelligence Specialist 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, a reservist stationed at Pearl Harbor, posted on Facebook about why she's following in the footsteps of Colin Kaepernick and others who have demonstrated against police brutality during the anthem.
"I feel like a hypocrite singing about the 'land of the free' when I know that only applies to some Americans," she wrote. "I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom."
Ervin says she lost her security clearance and was threatened with jail by the Navy in response to her actions.
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Hey you ungrateful POS - stop cashing checks that I and others are providing you. Miserable leech
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Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem
Fox News ^ | September 26, 2016
Posted on 9/26/2016, 1:00:17 PM by detective
U.S. Navy sailor is under investigation for refusing to stand during the national anthem.
Intelligence Specialist 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, a reservist stationed at Pearl Harbor, posted on Facebook about why she's following in the footsteps of Colin Kaepernick and others who have demonstrated against police brutality during the anthem.
"I feel like a hypocrite singing about the 'land of the free' when I know that only applies to some Americans," she wrote. "I will gladly stand again, when ALL AMERICANS are afforded the same freedom."
Ervin says she lost her security clearance and was threatened with jail by the Navy in response to her actions.
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Hey you ungrateful POS - stop cashing checks that I and others are providing you. Miserable leech
I agree. Get the heck out of the Navy already.
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Boy, there's some mega-patriots in this thread!
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Boy, there's some mega-patriots in this thread!
No - its called not being a POS - which most of these people are
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No - its called not being a POS - which most of these people are
Someone has a problem with the concept of irony, it seems.
Also, didn't you falsely claim to be in the Navy? Isn't that being a POS?
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Someone has a problem with the concept of irony, it seems.
Also, didn't you falsely claim to be in the Navy? Isn't that being a POS?
LOL - I explained that situation entirely - thats all you got. I was in a federal service Academy (USMMA) w a Naval Reserve status until I got bounced for shitty grades.
Have to do better than that man. for real.
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LOL - I explained that situation entirely - thats all you got. I was in a federal service Academy (USMMA) w a Naval Reserve status until I got bounced for shitty grades.
Have to do better than that man. for real.
Spoken like a typical lawyer.
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Nothing unpatriotic about criticizing a service member who is violating her oath and military regs. There is no civil disobedience in the military and every service member knows it. She needs to be a civilian.
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Nothing unpatriotic about criticizing a service member who is violating her oath and military regs. There is no civil disobedience in the military and every service member knows it. She needs to be a civilian.
Like SoulCrusher, you misunderstood my post. It wasn't aimed at you or him, but I guess unless it's spelled out in crayon with large, crudely drawn block caps, you don't get it. Fine:
MY COMMENT WAS REFERRING TO PEOPLE LIKE THE SERVICE MEMBER IN THE ARTICLE WHO CLAIMS, HAVING VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES, A PATRIOTISM SO UNBRIDLED AND EXTREME AND A PROFOUND SENSE OF MORALITY SO STRONG THAT SHE CANNOT STAND FOR THE INJUSTICE AND THE DESECRATION OF THE FLAG THAT THAT THE REST OF US ALLOW, AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT DISPLAY THE PROPER RESPECT TO THAT FLAG.
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Like SoulCrusher, you misunderstood my post. It wasn't aimed at you or him, but I guess unless it's spelled out in crayon with large, crudely drawn block caps, you don't get it. Fine:
MY COMMENT WAS REFERRING TO PEOPLE LIKE THE SERVICE MEMBER IN THE ARTICLE WHO CLAIMS, HAVING VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES, A PATRIOTISM SO UNBRIDLED AND EXTREME AND A PROFOUND SENSE OF MORALITY SO STRONG THAT SHE CANNOT STAND FOR THE INJUSTICE AND THE DESECRATION OF THE FLAG THAT THAT THE REST OF US ALLOW, AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT DISPLAY THE PROPER RESPECT TO THAT FLAG.
You mean you failed to properly communicate your point and resorted to a defensive, lengthy all caps font, when a few words would suffice? How out of the ordinary. lol
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You mean you failed to properly communicate your point and resorted to a defensive, lengthy all caps font, when a few words would suffice? How out of the ordinary. lol
Your inability to understand fairly simple English isn't my failure.
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Your inability to understand fairly simple English isn't my failure.
It's more likely that things get lost in translation on a message board and given that two people didn't catch your irony, your delivery sucked.
Humility. A great attribute. Try it.
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It's more likely that things get lost in translation on a message board and given that two people didn't catch your irony, your delivery sucked.
Humility. A great attribute. Try it.
So, two people on an Internet forum fail to comprehend my writing and the conclusion is that my delivery is the problem?
Isn't it more likely that you have the reading comprehension of a fourth grader that rides the short bus?
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So, two people on an Internet forum fail to comprehend my writing and the conclusion is that my delivery is the problem?
Isn't it more likely that you have the reading comprehension of a fourth grader that rides the short bus?
So you compound your failure to communicate and lack of humility with an unoriginal juvenile insult? You are on roll.
And I'll have you know I read on at least an eighth grade level, so get your facts straight. >:(
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So you compound your failure to communicate and lack of humility with an unoriginal juvenile insult? You are on roll.
You haven't established that the failure to communicate was mine.
And I'll have you know I read on at least an eighth grade level, so get your facts straight. >:(
I stand corrected! ;D
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You haven't established that the failure to communicate was mine.
I stand corrected! ;D
That's where that whole humility thing comes into play. If you take an objective look at your comment there is clearly more than one interpretation.
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That's where that whole humility thing comes into play. If you take an objective look at your comment there is clearly more than one interpretation.
Humility? My friend, I'm a getbigger. My humility is as atrophied as my biceps are hypertrophied.
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Humility? My friend, I'm a getbigger. My humility is as atrophied as my biceps are hypertrophied.
Touché. :)
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Since when does the flag represent something ominous and frightening?
ACLU: School's salute to cops sends "ominous, frightening message"
By Todd Starnes
Published October 24, 2016
FoxNews.com
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A patriotic, pre-game celebration honoring law enforcement and first responders at a high school football game has drawn the ire of the New Jersey chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.
New Jersey’s Middletown High School South saluted more than 100 police officers and military personnel on Oct. 21.
The celebration culminated with teenaged football players and police officers unfurling a massive American flag before singing the national anthem.
“A star-spangled celebration,” is how the Asbury Park Press described the festivities.
But the ACLU of New Jersey exploded with fury -- accusing organizers of sending an “ominous, frightening message.”
In a letter to school leaders, the ACLU-NJ and the local chapter of the NAACP said the school was using the salute to “intimidate and ostracize people who express their views about systemic racism and social justice.”
The controversy stems in part from some comments Middletown Police Deputy Chief Stephen Dollinger made to the Asbury Park Press.
He reportedly told the newspaper that the salute was prompted by the behavior of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick.
“It’s okay to stand up for social justice, inequality and reform,” he told the newspaper in advance of the football game. “It’s another thing to not stand up for the national anthem.”
Dollinger later said his remarks had been “twisted” and the event had nothing to do with the disgraced NFL quarterback or Black Lives Matter.
“I said we respect the rights of everybody to stand up for social justice and equality and reform, but we also respect our country and want to celebrate the first responders, the national anthem,” he told the newspaper.
Regardless, the idea of honoring those who protect and serve rankled the ACLU and their minions.
“The criticism the deputy police chief expressed for people who decline to stand for the national anthem in protest serves to erect walls between police and the communities they serve,” said ACLU-NJ policy counsel Dianna Houenou.
“The people police are sworn to protect and serve should not have to fear that the value officers assign to them is determined by the beliefs they hold,” she added.
Ms. Houenou fails to understand that police officers will come to the aid of any citizen – even those who spit on the badge and those who despise the flag.
Jasmine Crenshaw, another ACLU lackey, raged over the deputy chief’s behavior.
“The statements made by the deputy police chief and the event’s ostentatious show of power send an ominous, frightening message: that, as an official stance, law enforcement will not tolerate expressions acknowledging our nation’s history of unequal treatment and systematic oppression,” Crenshaw said.
“The magnitude of this event chills the belief that police should be held accountable when they abuse their power or discriminate against people of color, and pressures student athletes to act as props of the police,” she added.
Well, I want to salute the deputy police chief. He should be commended, not condemned for honoring first responders and our veterans.
I’ve grown extremely tired of these anti-American agitators who have hijacked our sporting events and turned them into platforms to spew their hatred for the red, white and blue.
It’s a football game, folks – not a Million Man March.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/24/aclu-schools-salute-to-cops-sends-ominous-frightening-message.html
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Kaepernick Wears Black Panther Shirt After Blowout Loss
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Following his team's 34-17 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick added another layer to his anti-police, anti-America protest movement by wearing a Black Panther Party T-shirt to his post-game press conference.
The quarterback, who has managed to keep himself in the headlines by kneeling during the National Anthem, emerged from the locker room for his post-game presser adorned in Black Panther garb:
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Kaepernick's girlfriend is Nessa Diab, a radio and television personality, and she has reportedly been the reason for Kaepernick's recent foray into social activism, as Diab promotes Black Lives Matter propaganda and decries supposed "Islamophobia" that occurs in society.
The struggling quarterback has also posted a statement on Instagram exclaiming "History!" in celebration of the Black Panther Party.
In actuality, Kaepernick is paying lip service to an organization with a violent history. One of the Black Panther leaders, Eldrige Cleaver, admitted as such in a 1986 interview, but also said that he'd finally accepted that cops are "necessary" (via Conservative Review):
REASON: Did the Panthers try to provoke violence? Was that part of the strategy?
CLEAVER: Sure it was part of the strategy. It was using the theories of revolutionary violence. A lot of people don't like to give us credit, but in America you had some of the best-educated revolutionaries in the world — even better-educated than some successful revolutionaries in other countries. We studied the experiences of these other countries and we knew the theories of guerrilla warfare and Marxism and Leninism and people's war, and we definitely were not sitting back waiting for the authorities to attack us. We used to lie about it, because the information was a weapon also. We would go out and ambush cops, but if we got caught we would blame it on them and claim innocence. I did that personally in the case I was involved in.
REASON: The Bobby Hutton case?
CLEAVER: Yes. We went after the cops that night, but when we got caught we said they came after us. We always did that. When you talk about the legacy of the '60s, that's one legacy. That's what I try to address, because it helped to distort the image of the police, but I've come to the point where I realize that our police department is necessary.
Cleaver once served time in prison for rape before he joined the Black Panther Party.
The co-founder of the Black Panther Party, Huey Newton, had killed two people before he ultimately died at the hands of a drug dealer in 1989.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) recently called out Kaepernick as a "knuckle-headed" and a "rich spoiled athlete" who should "give all his money to take care of fallen officers." The general public seems to agree, as the National Football League's ratings have plummeted this year.
Kaepernick has started two games for the 49ers this season, and the results have been abysmal: 29 for 63 completions with a 66.2 quarterback rating.
(h/t: Weasel Zippers)
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Hampshire College Decides to Stop Flying the American Flag in Order to Focus on a Post-Trump America
BY ANTONIA OKAFOR
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You know what they say…
If at first you can't burn the American flag, try try again…
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Or just take it down altogether.
The powers that be at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, decided that the only way that they were ever going to keep students from lowering and burning the American flag on school property was if they just stopped flying one in the first place.
It reminds me of when my mother would just sell the house each time I decided not to clean my room in protest of the argument that my room was: “just going to get dirty again.”
Oh wait…
Campus Reform reports that Hampshire College began flying flags at half-staff as a sign of mourning of the Trump Election Day win a couple of weeks ago. The night before Veterans Day, students lowered and burned the flag.
Unfortunately, this practice has been common since Election Day. Students all over the U.S. have been burning flags in protest of Donald Trump’s win and his impending presidency.
The President of Hampshire College, Jonathan Lash decided that after commemorating Veterans Day, the school would no longer fly the American flag. In fact, they would no longer fly any flag at all. They would instead focus on the inevitable-the rise of racism, misogyny, and Islamophobia due to Trump’s win.
In an email sent out to the school last Friday, Lash states:
“…has been especially painful to our Hampshire colleagues who are veterans or families of veterans,” adding that he hopes that dispensing with the flag will “enable us to instead focus our efforts on addressing racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and behaviors.”
He continues:
“I ask our campus to join me in a commitment to living up to the ideals of our mission: to insist on diversity, inclusion, and equity from our leaders and in our communities; to constructively resist those who are opposing these values; and to actively and passionately work toward justice and positive change at Hampshire and in the world.”
Daniel Vogel, a student from Hampshire College and guest on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox News last night, had this to say about his support of the American flag being taken down indefinitely.
In a letter to the “Amherst Bulletin,” the student wrote:
“Think about the groups who use the flag. From police officers to the U.S Army, these are the forces on the ground that make oppression happen.”
Odd. The “groups who use the flag” have never been reserved for police officers or the U.S. Army. The American flag is for all Americans. And, more importantly, it is a symbol of freedom, not oppression for all people in the world.
http://ijr.com/2016/11/741374-hampshire-college-decides-to-stop-flying-the-american-flag-in-order-to-focus-on-a-post-trump-america/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=partners&utm_campaign=bencarson&utm_term=prm6
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Burning a flag you own is a-ok in my book. Burning the College's flag... well, that's destorying someone else's property. Also, if the reporting here is accurate, then the choice of lowering the flag in response to the election is, at best, dumb and misguided.
But is the reporting accurate? I've never heard of the "Independent Journal Review" or "Antonia Okafor", but the language in the article seems a bit too tilted towards fanning the flames. Let's see if we can find some other sources. How about CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/us/hampshire-college-no-american-flag/index.html)? According to an article, the College said that the flag was lowered by students after the election as a symbolic action and was burned a day later (the burning being under investigation) and the College will no longer fly the flag. Here's spokesman John Courtmanche:
"Our goal is to give voice to the range of viewpoints on campus across cultures, and hopefully find common ground," Courtmanche said in a statement. "We've heard from members of our community that, for them and for many in our country, the flag is a powerful symbol of fear they've felt all their lives because they grew up as people of color, never feeling safe. For others, it's a symbol of their highest aspirations for the country."
Holy fuck... really? You give voice to a range of viewpoints by not flying the Nation's flag because "people of color" see it as a symbol of fear? This is fucking crazy. I am at a loss for words.
Ultimately, the flag is just strips of cloth, sewn together - no real meaning, except perhaps as an homage to the original 13 colonies and the existing 50 States. What truly gives the flag meaning is what it stands for: the values that we cherish and hold dear. Take those away and the flag is reduced to a multicolored rag.
You want to give voice to a range of student viewpoints? That's great. College is all about being exposed to different things and ideas and learning. Freedom of speech is a important right, and one of the most important - if not the most important right - and we cherish it, and rightly so. If your goal is to give voice to a range of viewpoints, then when someone stands up to speak, LET THEM SPEAK!
People want to talk about how the flag is the awesomest? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag represents an Imperialist nation, hell-bent on conquering the world with jeans and rock-n-roll? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag is a symbol of whitey keeping the black man down? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag shouldn't be printed on underwear? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag should be replaced with a goatse picture? Let them speak!
You should relish the opportunity to be exposed to ideas you don't agree with or feel are contemptible. If you aren't, you aren't really learning about the world.
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Burning a flag you own is a-ok in my book. Burning the College's flag... well, that's destorying someone else's property. Also, if the reporting here is accurate, then the choice of lowering the flag in response to the election is, at best, dumb and misguided.
But is the reporting accurate? I've never heard of the "Independent Journal Review" or "Antonia Okafor", but the language in the article seems a bit too tilted towards fanning the flames. Let's see if we can find some other sources. How about CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/us/hampshire-college-no-american-flag/index.html)? According to an article, the College said that the flag was lowered by students after the election as a symbolic action and was burned a day later (the burning being under investigation) and the College will no longer fly the flag. Here's spokesman John Courtmanche:
Holy fuck... really? You give voice to a range of viewpoints by not flying the Nation's flag because "people of color" see it as a symbol of fear? This is fucking crazy. I am at a loss for words.
Ultimately, the flag is just strips of cloth, sewn together - no real meaning, except perhaps as an homage to the original 13 colonies and the existing 50 States. What truly gives the flag meaning is what it stands for: the values that we cherish and hold dear. Take those away and the flag is reduced to a multicolored rag.
You want to give voice to a range of student viewpoints? That's great. College is all about being exposed to different things and ideas and learning. Freedom of speech is a important right, and one of the most important - if not the most important right - and we cherish it, and rightly so. If your goal is to give voice to a range of viewpoints, then when someone stands up to speak, LET THEM SPEAK!
People want to talk about how the flag is the awesomest? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag represents an Imperialist nation, hell-bent on conquering the world with jeans and rock-n-roll? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag is a symbol of whitey keeping the black man down? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag shouldn't be printed on underwear? Let them speak!
People want to talk about how the flag should be replaced with a goatse picture? Let them speak!
You should relish the opportunity to be exposed to ideas you don't agree with or feel are contemptible. If you aren't, you aren't really learning about the world.
It's an accurate story (see below). I agree for the most. The First Amendment was designed to protect unpopular speech and expression.
That said, I don't have a problem excoriating people who do things like burn the flag, etc. That's part of free expression too.
Veterans protest at Massachusetts college that removed US flags
Published November 28, 2016
FoxNews.com
Around 1,000 veterans gathered at a western Massachusetts college Sunday to protest the school’s decision to stop flying all flags, including U.S. flags, after students allegedly burned a flag in protest of Donald Trump’s election victory.
Hampshire College in Amherst outraged many with its decision to remove all flags from campus. Protesters expressed their displeasure and hoped to reach out to students during their demonstration.
“They took down my flag, they have a right to that, I’m here to defend their right to do that but I want them to understand how bad that hurts me,” veteran Jerry Maguire told WWLP-TV.
The station reported that hundreds all over the New England region joined the protest, including Springfield Mayor Domenic Sarno. He stood with the veterans as well.
“For the students here and the president and board of trustees have risen from what the veterans sacrificed, this flag and not to fly the flag on this campus if you were in some other countries around the world it would be handled very, very differently,” Sarno said.
Other veterans and demonstrators were heard chanting “U.S.A.,” according to Fox 25 Boston.
The WWLP-TV reported that the protest was largely peaceful, aside from one isolated incident.
Hampshire College President Jonathan Lash didn’t attend the event, according to WWLP-TV.
The station reported last week that debates over flag flying have occurred on campus before. For more than a decade flying commemorative 9/11 flags have been a hot-button issue until the school board voted to fly those flags annually.
Lash said the Amherst campus will talk with students and staff about properly utilizing flags in the future.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/28/veterans-protest-at-massachusetts-college-that-removed-us-flags.html
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Not sure what I think about this.
Federal Judge Okays Flag Desecration
Mar 23, 2012
By Todd Starnes
A federal judge has declared Missouri’s flag desecration law is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced.
U.S. District Judge Carol E. Jackson issued a permanent injunction in the case of Frank Snider, who was arrested in 2009 for cutting up an American flag and throwing it into the street.
“The sense of patriotism that runs through Missouri is strong,” Attorney General Chris Koster told Fox News in a written statement. “Although we understood that defending the statute was an uphill battle, most Missourians have a strong reaction against flag desecration. Our defense of the statute was our attempt to give voice to that patriotic sentiment.”
The Attorney General’s office told Fox News they are still reviewing the judge’s ruling and haven’t made any decisions on next steps. Missouri is among at least 20 states with laws banning flag desecration.
Missouri’s flag desecration law states: “Any person who purposefully and publicly mutilates, defaces, defiles, tramples upon or otherwise desecrates the national flag of the United States or the state flag of the state of Missouri is guilty of the crime of flag desecration.”
The law considered flag desecration a misdemeanor penalty.
However, the judge ruled that the entire statute was invalid because it prohibits a substantial amount of protected speech.
The American Civil Liberties Union hailed the judge’s ruling, calling it “satisfying” but “not surprising.”
“It’s a long delayed victory in Missouri,” said ACLU attorney Tony Rothert in an interview with the Associated Press. “The Supreme Court has been pretty clear that these statues are unconstitutional.”
The Missouri chapter of the American Legion denounced the ruling and said it was a sad day for the state.
“Anger,” is how Kenneth Goth, the American Legion Dept. Commander described his reaction to Fox News. “There’s a lot of people who fight for our country and that flag. You never see a veteran do that because they know what the honor is.”
Goth said he is passionate about the American flag. To him, the flag “means my country.” He said people who desecrate the American flag do so to “show their stupidity.”
“People can take their freedom of speech a little too far and doing that to the American flag does,” he said.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/federal-judge-okays-flag-desecration.html
With Trump saying people should be put in jail for burning the flag, it will be just a matter of time before this is turned over. Marxist's should be pooping their pants about now.
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With Trump saying people should be put in jail for burning the flag, it will be just a matter of time before this is turned over. Marxist's should be pooping their pants about now.
Boy, jails will be full of people from the military and the VFW. They routinely dispose of worn flags in accordance with the 4 U.S.C. § 8 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8). It requires, you guessed it, burning.
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Hillary Clinton was a co-sponsor for the Flag Protection Act of 2005. What would she do today?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/text
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/cosponsors
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Hillary Clinton was a co-sponsor for the Flag Protection Act of 2005. What would she do today?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/text
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/cosponsors
He is trolling her and liberals melting Dow.
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He is trolling her and liberals melting Dow.
That's actually an interesting suggestion. It could be that Trump is playing the media and reinforcing the narrative of skewed media coverage:
He meets with Petraeus (who was tried and convicted leaked classified information to his mistress) and the media goes nuts, reporting how his parole office will be allowed to search his office. Hillary leaked classified information and the media's response? Crickets.
He talks about how burning the flag shouldn't be allowed and offenders ought to be punished. The media is up in arms, bulwarks against any encroachment of the First Amendment. Hillary introduced a bill to that effect in the past and the media's response? Crickets.
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Blue Lives Matter flag deemed 'racist,' ordered to come down
By Fox 13
Published March 24, 2017
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A Florida woman is being told to take down her Blue Lives Matter flag that's been flying for several years now by her homeowners association.
Jeff Gaddie told Action News Jacksonville that his daughter in St. Johns County has been flying the flag to honor him and many other family members who are law enforcement.
"She called to ask why," Gaddie said. "They told her they had received a complaint that it was considered racist, offensive and anti-Black Lives Matter,” he said.
The association asked the woman, who did not want to be identified for fear of backlash, to submit a request for permission to fly the flag, which has since been denied.
Action News Jacksonville reached out to the First Coast Association Management, which said only American and military-themed flags are allowed to fly in the neighborhood, even though there are other types of flags flying.
Gaddie says the flag is only a show of support and the family is planning to appeal the decision at the next homeowner's association meeting.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/24/blue-lives-matter-flag-deemed-racist-ordered-to-come-down.html
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WTF Bum - this has nothing to do with the US Flag and I'm sure you know that HOA's have all kind of rules about what you can and can't do
Here's a little trip down memory lane from ~ the late 1980's
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Blue Lives Matter flag deemed 'racist,' ordered to come down
By Fox 13
Published March 24, 2017
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A Florida woman is being told to take down her Blue Lives Matter flag that's been flying for several years now by her homeowners association.
Jeff Gaddie told Action News Jacksonville that his daughter in St. Johns County has been flying the flag to honor him and many other family members who are law enforcement.
"She called to ask why," Gaddie said. "They told her they had received a complaint that it was considered racist, offensive and anti-Black Lives Matter,” he said.
The association asked the woman, who did not want to be identified for fear of backlash, to submit a request for permission to fly the flag, which has since been denied.
Action News Jacksonville reached out to the First Coast Association Management, which said only American and military-themed flags are allowed to fly in the neighborhood, even though there are other types of flags flying.
Gaddie says the flag is only a show of support and the family is planning to appeal the decision at the next homeowner's association meeting.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/24/blue-lives-matter-flag-deemed-racist-ordered-to-come-down.html
I don't think the 'blue lies matter" flag is racist but it is not the US Flag, it is an abomination. Also what "other types of flags" are flying there?
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I don't think the 'blue lies matter" flag is racist but it is not the US Flag, it is an abomination. Also what "other types of flags" are flying there?
I wouldn't alter the flag like that, but it is pretty dumb to be crying about this. People prove time and again that they don't know how to pick their battles.
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I wouldn't alter the flag like that, but it is pretty dumb to be crying about this. People prove time and again that they don't know how to pick their battles.
The "racist" angle is stupid imho (and the "anti-Black Lives Matter" angle more so) but the article mentioned that the association allows for US and military themed flags "even though there are other types of flags flying". What flags are these? Do they allow some flags (aside from US and military) but not others and selectively enforce their rules?
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The "racist" angle is stupid imho (and the "anti-Black Lives Matter" angle more so) but the article mentioned that the association allows for US and military themed flags "even though there are other types of flags flying". What flags are these? Do they allow some flags (aside from US and military) but not others and selectively enforce their rules?
Does sound like selective enforcement to appease some snowflake who needs a safe space. We are raising a generation of sissies.
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Does sound like selective enforcement to appease some snowflake who needs a safe space. We are raising a generation of sissies.
what's selective about it?
you must have other examples where the HOA allowed unauthorized flags to be displayed...right?
Why is this person appropriating the US Flag for their own personal statement?
Why not just work within the HOA rules which all homeowners tacitly agree to when they purchase in the complex.
Kind of ironic that enforcing "rules" is what cops actually do
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Putting American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach
By FAITH E. PINHO
APR 14, 2019
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Putting American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach
The flag design on Laguna Beach police cars has stirred discussion about whether the new theme properly reflects the community. (Laguna Beach Police Department/Twitter page)
A decision to affix an American flag graphic to the side of freshly painted Laguna Beach police cars is dividing residents, who are alternately praising the image as patriotic or panning it as too aggressive.
After hearing the criticism and acknowledging that the image they approved didn’t quite match the final results, officials agreed to reconsider their February decision to paint the Laguna Beach Police Department’s fleet of 11 squad cars. The City Council will take up the issue again at its Tuesday meeting.
“People are screaming that the American flag on a police car is somehow or another ... hurting people’s feelings who might be immigrants or visitors,” said Councilman Peter Blake. “People are actually ridiculous enough to bring up comments about our cop cars having American flags on them.”
Artist Carrie Woodburn went to the podium at the March 19 council meeting and said it was “shocking to see the boldness of the design” when the newly painted Ford Explorers rolled out.
“We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn’t really represent our community,” Woodburn said. “It feels very aggressive.”
Attorney Jennifer Welsh Zeiter said at the last council meeting that she found the police cars “exceptional” and questioned the loyalty of anyone who objected to the American flag display.
“They are so filled with hatred toward this ... office of the president of the United States and the current occupant of that office,” she said, “that they cannot see through their current biases to realize that a police vehicle with the American flag is the ultimate American expression.”
The council agreed in February to repaint its all-white squad cars in black and white with the image of Old Glory running through the word “police” on the doors.
But the graphic element of the paint job didn't scream “Laguna Beach” to everyone. Local designer Chris Prelitz was dining with his wife at the Montage hotel when he spotted several parents and small children scattering.
“There was like a little panic going on, and I was like, ‘What’s happening?’ ” Prelitz said. The hubbub, he discovered, was over a cluster of police cars that had arrived at the scene. “When one of them’s there, it works. But all of a sudden, I saw, wow, when there are three, maybe four of them together, folks thought it was a SWAT team, federal agents. So it had a very striking, strong impact, so much so that I think there might be some unintended consequences.”
Laguna Beach Police Cpl. Ryan Hotchkiss, president of the Laguna Beach Police Employees Assn., said he had received only positive feedback.
“Every time I came to a stop sign, every time I came to a red light, somebody is telling me the car looks great,” Hotchkiss said at the March meeting. “Every one of our members that drives the car loves it, and we look forward to keeping them the way they are.”
On Tuesday, the council will decide whether to continue with the logo or choose an alternative. The cars, however, will remain black and white, City Manager John Pietig said.
The proposed graphic that the council unanimously approved in February was a more muted version of the design that now appears on the cars, according to a city staff report. In February, Pietig called the proposed designs a “cloud-like look.”
He said two weeks ago that the council would reconsider the logo “out of an abundance of caution to address questions that have been raised about the process.”
Of the police department’s 11 vehicles, seven have the updated design, police Sgt. Jim Cota said in a text message.
Police Chief Laura Farinella said at the Feb. 19 meeting that black and white was more visible and distinguished police squad cars from other security vehicles.
“This is about safety. I want anybody to see it, period,” Mayor Pro Tem Steve Dicterow said at the February meeting.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-laguna-beach-police-cars-american-flag-20190413-story.html
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Putting American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach
By FAITH E. PINHO
APR 14, 2019
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Putting American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach
The flag design on Laguna Beach police cars has stirred discussion about whether the new theme properly reflects the community. (Laguna Beach Police Department/Twitter page)
A decision to affix an American flag graphic to the side of freshly painted Laguna Beach police cars is dividing residents, who are alternately praising the image as patriotic or panning it as too aggressive.
After hearing the criticism and acknowledging that the image they approved didn’t quite match the final results, officials agreed to reconsider their February decision to paint the Laguna Beach Police Department’s fleet of 11 squad cars. The City Council will take up the issue again at its Tuesday meeting.
“People are screaming that the American flag on a police car is somehow or another ... hurting people’s feelings who might be immigrants or visitors,” said Councilman Peter Blake. “People are actually ridiculous enough to bring up comments about our cop cars having American flags on them.”
Artist Carrie Woodburn went to the podium at the March 19 council meeting and said it was “shocking to see the boldness of the design” when the newly painted Ford Explorers rolled out.
“We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn’t really represent our community,” Woodburn said. “It feels very aggressive.”
Attorney Jennifer Welsh Zeiter said at the last council meeting that she found the police cars “exceptional” and questioned the loyalty of anyone who objected to the American flag display.
“They are so filled with hatred toward this ... office of the president of the United States and the current occupant of that office,” she said, “that they cannot see through their current biases to realize that a police vehicle with the American flag is the ultimate American expression.”
The council agreed in February to repaint its all-white squad cars in black and white with the image of Old Glory running through the word “police” on the doors.
But the graphic element of the paint job didn't scream “Laguna Beach” to everyone. Local designer Chris Prelitz was dining with his wife at the Montage hotel when he spotted several parents and small children scattering.
“There was like a little panic going on, and I was like, ‘What’s happening?’ ” Prelitz said. The hubbub, he discovered, was over a cluster of police cars that had arrived at the scene. “When one of them’s there, it works. But all of a sudden, I saw, wow, when there are three, maybe four of them together, folks thought it was a SWAT team, federal agents. So it had a very striking, strong impact, so much so that I think there might be some unintended consequences.”
Laguna Beach Police Cpl. Ryan Hotchkiss, president of the Laguna Beach Police Employees Assn., said he had received only positive feedback.
“Every time I came to a stop sign, every time I came to a red light, somebody is telling me the car looks great,” Hotchkiss said at the March meeting. “Every one of our members that drives the car loves it, and we look forward to keeping them the way they are.”
On Tuesday, the council will decide whether to continue with the logo or choose an alternative. The cars, however, will remain black and white, City Manager John Pietig said.
The proposed graphic that the council unanimously approved in February was a more muted version of the design that now appears on the cars, according to a city staff report. In February, Pietig called the proposed designs a “cloud-like look.”
He said two weeks ago that the council would reconsider the logo “out of an abundance of caution to address questions that have been raised about the process.”
Of the police department’s 11 vehicles, seven have the updated design, police Sgt. Jim Cota said in a text message.
Police Chief Laura Farinella said at the Feb. 19 meeting that black and white was more visible and distinguished police squad cars from other security vehicles.
“This is about safety. I want anybody to see it, period,” Mayor Pro Tem Steve Dicterow said at the February meeting.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-laguna-beach-police-cars-american-flag-20190413-story.html
The mentally ill left strikes again.
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"A Southern California coastal city voted Tuesday to keep the American flag on its police cars despite some residents’ objections that it might offend immigrants."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/southern-california-town-votes-to-keep-flag-on-police-cars
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Black Lives Matter Utah Chapter Declares American Flag a ‘Symbol of Hatred’
Caroline Downey
Wed, July 7, 2021
In a Facebook post published on the Fourth of July, the Black Lives Matter (BLM) Utah chapter declared the American flag a hate symbol.
“When we Black Americans see this flag we know the person flying it is not safe to be around. When we see this flag we know the person flying it is a racist. When we see this flag we know that the person flying it lives in a different America than we do. When we see this flag, we question your intelligence. We know to avoid you. It is a symbol of hatred,” the statement read.
Lex Scott, founder of Black Lives Matter Utah, said the intention of the inflammatory post was to generate a reaction and show how the flag is being co-opted by extremist groups, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.
“The point of the post was to make everyone uncomfortable,” Scott said. “The American flag is taught to us from birth to represent freedom, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Scott noted that her sentiments were triggered by the sight of photos depicting members of far-right organization Patriot Front marching through Philadelphia carrying the American flag on the eve of the Fourth of July.
“They’re flying American flags. The Ku Klux Klan is flying American flags. The Proud Boys are flying American flags. They climbed the Capitol for their failed insurrection and were beating police officers with American flags. I have not heard any outrage from Republicans or the right about the use of the American flag as a hate symbol,” Scott said.
“We are seeing that symbol used in every racist hate group’s messaging across this nation. The problem that I have is no one is addressing the people who are using it for hate. I am telling you when I see an American flag, I begin to feel fear for the simple fact that every time I am faced with hatred, it is at the hands of someone carrying an American flag,” she continued.
The BLM post echoes the comments made by New York Times Editorial Board member Mara Gray during an appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, when she said was “disturbed” to see American flags displayed on the back of Trump supporters’ pick-up trucks during a weekend trip to Long Island.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/black-lives-matter-utah-chapter-195007748.html
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Seattle dance squad says they were told American flag shirts made audience members feel 'triggered and unsafe'
Complainants cited the Israel-Hamas war and transgender issues for their feelings toward the American-flag costumes
By Kendall Tietz Fox News
Published April 10, 2024
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The Borderline Dance Team
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