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Ben white isn't a particularly super strong deadlifter compared to his bench numbers
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Good to see one bloke was man enough to do it without straps ::)
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IMo straps are necessary (when training) for back size once you get heavy to help you hold on to the weight.. before your fore arm give out...
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Shows how much you know about training. All drugs.
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whatever you say....
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Ben white isn't a particularly super strong deadlifter compared to his bench numbers
Leave it to scumlumbo to have an ad for a female bb porn site in the backround. Low class all the way.
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IMo straps are necessary (when training) for back size once you get heavy to help you hold on to the weight.. before your fore arm give out...
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exactly... im more concerned with having a super strong and big back.... grip strength is secondary to me... and shouldnt be allowed to compromise a huge coumpound lift like the deadlift. But saying that i only use straps once i get really heavy on deads
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exactly... im more concerned with having a super strong and big back.... grip strength is secondary to me... and shouldnt be allowed to compromise a huge coumpound lift like the deadlift. But saying that i only use straps once i get really heavy on deads
Sounds like your forearms are too tired from all the masturbating you do to pictures of yourself.
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Leave it to scumlumbo to have an ad for a female bb porn site in the backround. Low class all the way.
yeah cuz male bodybuilders don't do porn and g4p ::) women gotta pay for their gear too
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IMo straps are necessary (when training) for back size once you get heavy to help you hold on to the weight.. before your fore arm give out...
I remember an interview where he explained that he trains for "overall strength", he refuse the use of belts, straps, wraps, etc as much as possible. He's blessed with thick joints & long muscle bellies, that helps.
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I remember an interview where he explained that he trains for "overall strength", he refuse the use of belts, straps, wraps, etc as much as possible. He's blessed with thick joints & long muscle bellies, that helps.
Yes you can see he has huge joints
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exactly... im more concerned with having a super strong and big back.... grip strength is secondary to me... and shouldnt be allowed to compromise a huge coumpound lift like the deadlift. But saying that i only use straps once i get really heavy on deads
I have done a workout without straps and has not ended in complete fatigue on all the muscle groups in the back (which is a must from a bodybuilding perspective). The muscle in my hand and forarms simple can't make it through 20-25 sets of deadlifts, bent-over rows, dumbell rows, chin-ups, pull downs and shrugs, without straps. Don't get me wrong I respect a lift more if done without straps but the goal in bodybuilding is not the lift, it's the results from the lift, therefor straps are a must, for me anyway
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Idiot at 25 secs trying to bounce the weight up.
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Yes you can see he has huge joints
I was a little wrong about that interview, the use of accessories wasn't discussed here (was prob another interview with him), but starting @2:40 he explains his training philosophy. Notice the relative ease in which he positions those heavy ass DB's for a set of incline presses (around 5:00), now that's overall strength!
Edit: around 9:00 he talks about the use of straps
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I have done a workout without straps and has not ended in complete fatigue on all the muscle groups in the back (which is a must from a bodybuilding perspective). The muscle in my hand and forarms simple can't make it through 20-25 sets of deadlifts, bent-over rows, dumbell rows, chin-ups, pull downs and shrugs, without straps. Don't get me wrong I respect a lift more if done without straps but the goal in bodybuilding is not the lift, it's the results from the lift, therefor straps are a must, for me anyway
agree 100%
needs my straps for heaviest sets of rows deadlifts... trying to destroy my back not my foreams
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I was a little wrong about that interview, the use of accessories wasn't discussed here (was prob another interview with him), but starting @2:40 he explains his training philosophy. Notice the relative ease in which he positions those heavy ass DB's for a set of incline presses (around 5:00), now that's overall strength!
interesting to hear him speak, i wonder how much gear he takes. i know strength is a different game compared to bodybuilding's "the more you take the better you do".
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Idiot at 25 secs trying to bounce the weight up.
4 plates and he had to be 250 - 280 at least!
Derek Poundstone came into the Arnold at around 330 with a six pack and competed against guys at 400+ pounds and come in 2nd, dude is one strong mother.
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Strenght athlete take way way way FAR LESS "supplements" than bodybuilders
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I was a little wrong about that interview, the use of accessories wasn't discussed here (was prob another interview with him), but starting @2:40 he explains his training philosophy. Notice the relative ease in which he positions those heavy ass DB's for a set of incline presses (around 5:00), now that's overall strength!
Edit: around 9:00 he talks about the use of straps
SUPER strong
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would love to have a physique like poundstone. so impressive and the carry over to bodybuilding stuff is insane. good form aswell, in that video hes alternating between chinups at 325 pounds bw and 180 kg flat bench lol, madness.
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ha, just got back from the gym, after watching some deadlifting video's was very focused on today's deadlifting workout, got 405 for twenty reps off the floor every rep. One of my favourite video's is the Benedikt Magnusson one where he get so psyched out and spills the container of chalk, lol, then he lifts 940 and doesn't drop it but let's it down slow, amazing,maybe someone can post the video, 8)
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would love to have a physique like poundstone. so impressive and the carry over to bodybuilding stuff is insane. good form aswell, in that video hes alternating between chinups at 325 pounds bw and 180 kg flat bench lol, madness.
i agree, granted a good part of it is genetics but a leaned-out powerlifter physique just looks SO much more commanding than an all-juice gym rat.
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ha, just got back from the gym, after watching some deadlifting video's was very focused on today's deadlifting workout, got 405 for twenty reps off the floor every rep. One of my favourite video's is the Benedikt Magnusson one where he get so psyched out and spills the container of chalk, lol, then he lifts 940 and doesn't drop it but let's it down slow, amazing,maybe someone can post the video, 8)
405 for 20 super impressive
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405 for 20 super impressive
Thanks, trying to get to 30 reps, have done 25 before, deads are my favourite have been doing them religiously for 15 years. Without the straps I would have been lucky to get 10 reps.
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do these fat dudes even train?
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Thanks, trying to get to 30 reps, have done 25 before, deads are my favourite have been doing them religiously for 15 years. Without the straps I would have been lucky to get 10 reps.
I hate deadz....with a passion but I know they are a must... Im more of a push guy
did some today
finished on 600...
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I hate deadz....with a passion but I know they are a must... Im more of a push guy
did some today
finished on 600...
600? what exercise?
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600? what exercise?
deads man ;D
definetly not bench ;D ;D ;D
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deads man ;D
definetly not bench ;D ;D ;D
Oh shit,lol I thought you where saying bench, I was like shit that is strong, but 600 on deads is crazy strong too, usually only 1 or 2 guys at a big gym can do that much weight, nice 8)
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SUPER strong
Makes you realize exactly how strong Ronnie was.
THE BEEF
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Best Hungarian deadlift...world record as well (or it was ???)...
Tibor Meszaros
898 lbs
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Ben white isn't a particularly super strong deadlifter compared to his bench numbers
makes my back ache just watching it
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Best Hungarian deadlift...world record as well (or it was ???)...
Tibor Meszaros
898 lbs
super impressive made that look easy
I know a lot o pros dont do deads
do you steve?
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Sounds like your forearms are too tired from all the masturbating you do to pictures of yourself.
;D ;D ;D
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super impressive made that look easy
I know a lot o pros dont do deads
do you steve?
I do, but did them much more in the past. So I'm weaker now...still go up to 455.
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I understand the use of wrist straps for overall back fatigue in a BB-style workout, but in a strength battle such as in the video, if you cannot hold onto it, you can't deadlift it, period.
Poundstone is incredible. Just wish he'd not remain a police officer when he clearly uses.
The other week I finally performed a tight and controlled 10 reps with 500 (495 plus a 2.5 on each end, for all you exacto-critics) without wrist straps (alternate grip, though, obviously). I had perhaps another one or two in the tank, but decided, as I just wanted the 10, I'd spare possible injury and leave it at that.
Real men deadlift.
Great video!
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I do, but did them much more in the past. So I'm weaker now...still go up to 455.
good good.....
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I understand the use of wrist straps for overall back fatigue in a BB-style workout, but in a strength battle such as in the video, if you cannot hold onto it, you can't deadlift it, period.
Poundstone is incredible. Just wish he'd not remain a police officer when he clearly uses.
The other week I finally performed a tight and controlled 10 reps with 500 (495 plus a 2.5 on each end, for all you exacto-critics) without wrist straps (alternate grip, though, obviously). I had perhaps another one or two in the tank, but decided, as I just wanted the 10, I'd spare possible injury and leave it at that.
Real men deadlift.
Great video!
Good lift...man
in a strength comp if straps arent permitted then it shouldnt be used
..but if u cant hold on to the weight you cnt lift it... dont gree with that.. some people just have smaller wrists and less forearm
strength. straps help you hold on to the weight so you can use tour body to perform the lift before your grip gives...
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Deadz are a great mass builder.The have morphed my back into another dimension compared to where I used to be. Works sets lately are 405-6, and two sets of 455-3. I have pulled 500 for a single several times.
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Deadz are a great mass builder.The have morphed my back into another dimension compared to where I used to be. Works sets lately are 405-6, and two sets of 455-3. I have pulled 500 for a single several times.
good stuff man
lot of peple make ucuses not to do deads.... because lets face it they hurt
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Good lift...man
in a strength comp if straps arent permitted then it shouldnt be used
..but if u cant hold on to the weight you cnt lift it... dont gree with that.. some people just have smaller wrists and less forearm
strength. straps help you hold on to the weight so you can use tour body to perform the lift before your grip gives...
Fair enough. All I know is, my hands are not large by any means, and since ditching the wrist straps (after years of being a competitive bodybuilder and using them A LOT), my grip strength has gone through the roof. Now I can hold onto almost anything. Of course, it sucked for a couple of years. But you adapt to whatever you throw your body's way. I am proud of what I can hold onto now! LOL
(I do still use straps for most of my accessory work, though. I have found if I tax my grip too, too much, not only does their strength suffer, but I begin to develop claw hands. Yikes!)
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Fair enough. All I know is, my hands are not large by any means, and since ditching the wrist straps (after years of being a competitive bodybuilder and using them A LOT), my grip strength has gone through the roof. Now I can hold onto almost anything. Of course, it sucked for a couple of years. But you adapt to whatever you throw your body's way. I am proud of what I can hold onto now! LOL
(I do still use straps for most of my accessory work, though. I have found if I tax my grip too, too much, not only does their strength suffer, but I begin to develop claw hands. Yikes!)
I hear what your saying... but think of it this way no matter what you can hold on to without starps.. with straps you cand hold on to that little more.....
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The difference is like guys being able to fuck a bitch without using viagra. Some people need viagra. The guys that don't use straps for deads are real men, like the guys that plow a bitch without viagra.
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Fair enough. All I know is, my hands are not large by any means, and since ditching the wrist straps (after years of being a competitive bodybuilder and using them A LOT), my grip strength has gone through the roof. Now I can hold onto almost anything. Of course, it sucked for a couple of years. But you adapt to whatever you throw your body's way. I am proud of what I can hold onto now! LOL
(I do still use straps for most of my accessory work, though. I have found if I tax my grip too, too much, not only does their strength suffer, but I begin to develop claw hands. Yikes!)
just to add I too pull 500 without strps but i find when i do i have to rest the bar and re adjust my grip... and on my finad rep the bar is literally falling from my hand.. whereas with straps i dont have to worry bout that.....
but really i thik its down to the individual really
same as some people use belts and wraps... Ive never used either EVER... again all down to the individual
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I understand the use of wrist straps for overall back fatigue in a BB-style workout, but in a strength battle such as in the video, if you cannot hold onto it, you can't deadlift it, period.
Poundstone is incredible. Just wish he'd not remain a police officer when he clearly uses.
The other week I finally performed a tight and controlled 10 reps with 500 (495 plus a 2.5 on each end, for all you exacto-critics) without wrist straps (alternate grip, though, obviously). I had perhaps another one or two in the tank, but decided, as I just wanted the 10, I'd spare possible injury and leave it at that.
Real men deadlift.
Great video!
Damn right ..
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Damn right ..
Super strong ade that look easy
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Too big deal made out of strap use. In that deadlift contest it was probably decided that strap use is permitted so it was the same option for everybody. As I see it, deadlift isn't a grip exercise, far from it (and as far as I know hook grip is allowed in every powerlifting federation and in all strongman competitions and hook grip is basically the same as using straps atleast in events with short duration). But I also believe that the grip can be trained to the level that straps can be left out if the bodybuilder has enough motivation to do so.
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As I see it, deadlift isn't a grip exercise, far from it (and as far as I know hook grip is allowed in every powerlifting federation and in all strongman competitions and hook grip is basically the same as using straps atleast in events with short duration). But I also believe that the grip can be trained to the level that straps can be left out if the bodybuilder has enough motivation to do so.
As a back exercise, no, the deadlift is not a grip exercise. HOWEVER, as a movement designed to build overall strength and mass, it very much IS.
And how can you compare a hook grip with wrist straps?
One uses a person's hands, the other something that isn't a part of the body.
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As a back exercise, no, the deadlift is not a grip exercise. HOWEVER, as a movement designed to build overall strength and mass, it very much IS.
And how can you compare a hook grip with wrist straps?
One uses a person's hands, the other something that isn't a part of the body.
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Well yes yes but maybe I'm that much into grip training that I don't see the deadlift's importance as a grip exercise. And if you want to have a good grip you have to train it with some variety, and when you do, do you need the deadlift anymore?
Hook grip vs straps, I don't know, the effect is the same. Not much to say about that.
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Hook grip vs straps, I don't know, the effect is the same.
So is walking to the store or driving to the store. Faster or slower, you're still there, but ...
One option you can achieve without having a hunk of steel, working motor, tank full of petrol, and four inflated tires at your disposal.
In other words, the walking option is ALWAYS available, barring physical limitations through age, injury or birth defect.
If someone can pull 600, but not without the use of wrist straps, it isn't near as impressive. To have such a limitation takes away from the prospect of some individual to pull from the floor such a poundage, anywhere or anytime. Heck, he has to have some dumb straps or he's fucked.
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Fortress do you ever use knee wraps or a belt?
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So is walking to the store or driving to the store. Faster or slower, you're still there, but ...
One option you can achieve without having a hunk of steel, working motor, tank full of petrol, and four inflated tires at your disposal.
In other words, the walking option is ALWAYS available, barring physical limitations through age, injury or birth defect.
If someone can pull 600, but not without the use of wrist straps, it isn't near as impressive. To have such a limitation takes away from the prospect of some individual to pull from the floor such a poundage, anywhere or anytime. Heck, he has to have some dumb straps or he's fucked.
There is a place for both lifts, some like to measure their strength by seeing how much weight can be pulled of the ground, regardless of straps or not, and some people like to measure how much weight they can be pulled without straps, which obviously would pose yet one more variable to make the challange harder. Both ways still measure how much a man can lift, this does not change, the only thing that changes is one has a better grip then the other, obviously more impressive
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Shouldn't run before you can walk. If you can't grip it, don't lift it.
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Ben white - Worlds stongest bber.
Poundstone - WSM
Realtity is Poundstone is stonger and only slightly less muscular. Ben White Pwned.
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Fortress do you ever use knee wraps or a belt?
I have squatted since day one, 27 years ago, and I honestly have wrapped my knees in a gym fewer than 20 times. I wrapped them in my first power meet, but not my next two. Never again, either.
So well over 2,000 squat sessions and .... there ya go.
Belt? Often, yeah. However, I rarely use it for warm-ups on deadlift (just heaviest sets) or my first two or three sets of squats. Again, just on my heavier lifts.
I am not against the use of these aids, but I also feel they shouldn't become relied upon.
Now knee wraps? ... They will, over time, fuck your knees up in two ways: a) simply from wearing them and their smashing your patella tight into the moving joint, and b) by never allowing your knee to develop in relative synchronicity with your musculature. Therefore, you'll eventually be squatting well beyond your true abilities and, if you ever decide to squat even much less without them, will put your knees in a vulnerable position.
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Shouldn't run before you can walk. If you can't grip it, don't lift it.
I now believe this to be the best course of action, yes.
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I have squatted since day one, 27 years ago, and I honestly have wrapped my knees in a gym fewer than 20 times. I wrapped them in my first power meet, but not my next two. Never again, either.
So well over 2,000 squat sessions and .... there ya go.
Belt? Often, yeah. However, I rarely use it for warm-ups on deadlift (just heaviest sets) or my first two or three sets of squats. Again, just on my heavier lifts.
I am not against the use of these aids, but I also feel they shouldn't become relied upon.
Now knee wraps? ... They will, over time, fuck your knees up in two ways: a) simply from wearing them and their smashing your patella tight into the moving joint, and b) by never allowing your knee to develop in relative synchronicity with your musculature. Therefore, you'll eventually be squatting well beyond your true abilities and, if you ever decide to squat even much less without them, will put your knees in a vulnerable position.
Well I NEVER use either and I lift fairly heavy for a guy my size and one who lives my lifestyle
So apples and oranges.
I could retort that morons quip .here too
It's each to their own. I can see what your saying could be applicable to a meet or competition but in the gym the size and strength of my back is more important than forearm forearms which can be a liability and fail before I've got what I need out of deadlifts... Saying that I can still pull my heaviest strapless.
IMO belts are pointless
Again all down to the individual
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Ben White could team up with Kerry King to form team SuperCranium.
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Ben White could team up with Kerry King to form team SuperCranium.
I saw those fuckers back in 2003, their wall of Marshalls almost blew me away 8)
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I now believe this to be the best course of action, yes.
I use wraps for deadlifting only. My grip will always fail before my back will on the heavy lifts. Just makes sense to use them. But on everything else i donyt use them.
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I use wraps for deadlifting only. My grip will always fail before my back will on the heavy lifts. Just makes sense to use them. But on everything else i donyt use them.
They just don't get it :-\
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ha, just got back from the gym, after watching some deadlifting video's was very focused on today's deadlifting workout, got 405 for twenty reps off the floor every rep. One of my favourite video's is the Benedikt Magnusson one where he get so psyched out and spills the container of chalk, lol, then he lifts 940 and doesn't drop it but let's it down slow, amazing,maybe someone can post the video, 8)
Dude,you`re a fucking animal!!
Big props!!
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I hate deadz....with a passion but I know they are a must... Im more of a push guy
did some today
finished on 600...
NICE!!
Props as well bro!
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I understand the use of wrist straps for overall back fatigue in a BB-style workout, but in a strength battle such as in the video, if you cannot hold onto it, you can't deadlift it, period.
Poundstone is incredible. Just wish he'd not remain a police officer when he clearly uses.
The other week I finally performed a tight and controlled 10 reps with 500 (495 plus a 2.5 on each end, for all you exacto-critics) without wrist straps (alternate grip, though, obviously). I had perhaps another one or two in the tank, but decided, as I just wanted the 10, I'd spare possible injury and leave it at that.
Real men deadlift.
Great video!
NICE LIFTING!
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Well I NEVER use either and I lift fairly heavy for a guy my size and one who lives my lifestyle
So apples and oranges.
I could retort that morons quip .here too
It's each to their own. I can see what your saying could be applicable to a meet or competition but in the gym the size and strength of my back is more important than forearm forearms which can be a liability and fail before I've got what I need out of deadlifts... Saying that I can still pull my heaviest strapless.
IMO belts are pointless
Again all down to the individual
Okay, cool. Good luck with your training, man.
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NICE LIFTING!
Thank you, Wes.
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Dude,you`re a fucking animal!!
Big props!!
Thanks. Will bust out a video soon, I think this year is my break through year on my deadlifts, 5 plates for 15 and 8 plates for a single is the goal by the end of the year, ya I know I am a pussy cause I have to use straps :-[ :-\
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Thanks. Will bust out a video soon, I think this year is my break through year on my deadlifts, 5 plates for 15 and 8 plates for a single is the goal by the end of the year, ya I know I am a pussy cause I have to use straps :-[ :-\
8 plates for a single is serious weight.....
no joke...
impressive man
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8 plates is 765 lbs, right? Very very strong. I'm still working on 6 plates myself. 5.5 so far. ;D
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Thanks. Will bust out a video soon, I think this year is my break through year on my deadlifts, 5 plates for 15 and 8 plates for a single is the goal by the end of the year, ya I know I am a pussy cause I have to use straps :-[ :-\
Correct. You are a pussy.
.. Well, actually, you're just misinformed. I was too, until a better deadlifter set me straight.
Alternate grip is fine for deadlift and it will take a month (max) for you to adjust to holding it that way. Once you commit, you will be surprised how quick you will adapt.
I have terrible grip strength and in a standard grip, my hands will fatigue out at 315 (!), yet I have not had any problems pulling close to 600 with an alternate grip.
(There will be some who will correctly point out that they are concerned about the mismatch of an alternate grip, but I sincerely doubt you will lose symmetry over it).
That being said, I go to a gym where the bars are proper deadlifting bars - so the bar feels like almost sandpaper in your hands. If you work out at a gym full of smoother type bars, you're probably out of luck.
And just for the record, if I heavy row, I do use straps. It's just not necessary when deadlifting after a period of adjustment.
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And just to clarify. You're more of a man when you deadlift without straps. You will laugh at "equipment men" who required supplementary aids for their lifts.
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I hate straps, they don't do shit for me. I don't use a belt or straps, only chalk.
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And just to clarify. You're more of a man when you deadlift without straps. You will laugh at "equipment men" who required supplementary aids for their lifts.
Correct.
Chalk, alternate grip or even hook grip and no straps needed. Mental toughness is the barrier for the strap pussies.
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8 plates for a single is serious weight.....
no joke...
impressive man
Haven't done it yet but did 7 plates and a 10 in 09 so we will try, been busting deadlift like crazy lately and the first time ever I am doing deadlifts, bent-over rows and one arm dumbell rows in a single workout, let's just hope nothing goes, have weak left hamsting though
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Haven't done it yet but did 7 plates and a 10 in 09 so we will try, been busting deadlift like crazy lately and the first time ever I am doing deadlifts, bent-over rows and one arm dumbell rows in a single workout, let's just hope nothing goes, have weak left hamsting though
Man thats serious weight.....
i always do deads bent rows and tbar or dumbell rows in a session... along with many sets of chins....
do you deadlift every back session?
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Man thats serious weight.....
i always do deads bent rows and tbar or dumbell rows in a session... along with many sets of chins....
do you deadlift every back session?
No, I do back once a week when I deadlift and I will do that for 4-5 weeks then I will switch and not do deads for 4-5 workouts but then I will do back once every 4-5 days.
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Deadlift Session Bodybuilder vs Strongman vs Powerlifter
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Sounds like your forearms are too tired from all the masturbating you do to pictures of yourself.
rofl
After giving out free hand jobs at the gym all day every day they should be massive.
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Deadlift Battle - Can U Beat Us? (eng sub)
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Ben white isn't a particularly super strong deadlifter compared to his bench numbers
stan efferding owned Ben @ their lift off
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Damn right ..
that 1015 DL by BM is incredible
made it look so easy
has andy Bolton topped this or is this the WR?
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Ben white isn't a particularly super strong deadlifter compared to his bench numbers
Poundstone is a beast...no friggin straps and easily pulled it.
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Shows how much you know about training. All drugs.
Was waiting for this. You don't know how to train do you?
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Cornelia Ritzke with Dorian Berger and Romano Rengel
Deadlift Session mit den Deutschen Meistern
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The Animal Underground: Richard "The Ant" Hawthorne, Deadlift Training
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High Rep Squat & Deadlift Mayhem (eng sub)
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Bodybuilder Owns FOUR Powerlifters! Deadlift Session
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Shows how much you know about training. All drugs.
;D ;D
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Big on the Basics Beyond: Deadlift with Dan "BOSS" Green
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Big on the Basics Beyond: Deadlift with Dan "BOSS" Green
Dan isn't only a power house, he's also good in explaining how to lift.
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exactly... im more concerned with having a super strong and big back.... grip strength is secondary to me... and shouldnt be allowed to compromise a huge coumpound lift like the deadlift. But saying that i only use straps once i get really heavy on deads
How heavy can you go? What's your pb?