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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alexander D on September 29, 2010, 04:37:42 PM
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I know he is one of the more hated people on this board... lol but curious whats the latest with him? Is he still waiting in line for a Kidney transplant?
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Still waiting....and still running a real estate management business with his wife, doing quite well and as healthy as can be expected.
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Still waiting....and still running a real estate management business with his wife, doing quite well and as healthy as can be expected.
Does he have any muscles left? ???
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Man, what was that weight he claimed before someone posted the pic of him at about 190lbs? And Bob, loyal to a fault, tried to defend him. You're a good friend Bobby.....
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Does he have any muscles left? ???
That is a man without muscles
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Man, what was that weight he claimed before someone posted the pic of him at about 190lbs? And Bob, loyal to a fault, tried to defend him. You're a good friend Bobby.....
$10 large was to be the figure on the line, and Ronaldo was to act as fiduciary. I think.
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I hope he doesn't get it .
Did you hear about George Lopez getting divorced? His soon-to-be ex wife gives him a kidney and once he waits the acceptable time, divorce.
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$10 large was to be the figure on the line, and Ronaldo was to act as fiduciary. I think.
haha....that was awful for Bob to have to back-up Prince like that knowing that whatever the hell weight TP was claiming was total horseshit.
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New kidney, huh? I hope all the drug abuse was worth it in the end.
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Still waiting....and still running a real estate management business with his wife, doing quite well and as healthy as can be expected.
Hopefully he gets a new kidney soon! Dialysis is horrible...
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Did you hear about George Lopez getting divorced? His soon-to-be ex wife gives him a kidney and once he waits the acceptable time, divorce.
Haha,good for him.
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Geeez you guys really hate him that much, huh?
Regardless of what your beef is with the man, i dont think its cool to wish someone such ill will... He is a husband, father, someones kid...
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PS thanks for the reply, Chick!
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$10 large was to be the figure on the line, and Ronaldo was to act as fiduciary. I think.
Yep...and no one had the balls to back up their mouth around here, no big surprise there.
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Yep...and no one had the balls to back up their mouth around here, no big surprise there.
what was the bet?
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Yep...and no one had the balls to back up their mouth around here, no big surprise there.
Bob, did you get a kick out of it knowing that he didn't weight that, but nobody would step up?
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I hope he doesn't get it .
Why?
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Geeez you guys really hate him that much, huh?
Regardless of what your beef is with the man, i dont think its cool to wish someone such ill will... He is a husband, father, someones kid...
Fuck him he was an asshole and he did it to himself .
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Geeez you guys really hate him that much, huh?
Regardless of what your beef is with the man, i dont think its cool to wish someone such ill will... He is a husband, father, someones kid...
I don't wish him ill or any man. However, as stated previously, he did it to himself. He is solely responsible for his own actions.
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Fuck him he was an asshole and he did it to himself .
oh, so you're saying that their are more deserving people waiting for a kidney transplant?
does anyone remember that name of that show that came out on the discovery channel years back. It had titus and prince laughing and bragging about doing steroids?
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oh, so you're saying that their are more deserving people waiting for a kidney transplant?
YES
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Still waiting....and still running a real estate management business with his wife, doing quite well and as healthy as can be expected.
I'm so jealous...wait no I'm not I have working kidneys.
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oh, so you're saying that their are more deserving people waiting for a kidney transplant?
does anyone remember that name of that show that came out on the discovery channel years back. It had titus and prince laughing and bragging about doing steroids?
I guess they got the last laugh didn't they?
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I guess they got the last laugh didn't they?
damn i wish i could find that clip.
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Bob, serious question here... How does he feel about the whole thing now that he is waiting for a kidney? Does he regret the path he took and does he think it was worth it?
Was always curious about that!
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Bob, serious question here... How does he feel about the whole thing now that he is waiting for a kidney? Does he regret the path he took and does he think it was worth it?
Was always curious about that!
does that question really need to be asked........seriously??........the guy devoted over a decade of his best most productive years (his 20s and 30s)........and came out of it with a fiduciary deficit and a life threatening condition.
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Bob, serious question here... How does he feel about the whole thing now that he is waiting for a kidney? Does he regret the path he took and does he think it was worth it?
Actually does he think drugs are just the finishing touch?
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does that question really need to be asked........seriously??........the guy devoted over a decade of his best most productive years (his 20s and 30s)........and came out of it with a fiduciary deficit and a life threatening condition.
You never know man, he may stand up and say I have no regrets was loving it at the time, I made my choices and this is what happened! or whatever!
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well.. i cant talk for tom. i am sure chick can.. but when i did speak to him years ago he was not bitter at all.. he said would have done many things different to try and prevent the pain and the taking of numerous pain killers.. meaning training different ect.. he did not blame gear when i talked to him.. maybe he has a different outlook now..
but in regards to tom not being "popular" on here.. i dont think he cared ;).. but i can tell ya when i talked to him he was a decent guy and pretty funny..
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(http://www.laijs.com/photo/data/media/7/prince31.jpg)
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As much as Tom got called out for blaming Advil for his kidney problems, Advil at the doses he was taking it in is simply not easy on the kidneys. Granted, Tom said nothing about the diuretics which I'm sure contributed. Did steroids contribute? Insofar as steroids increased his blood pressure and high blood pressure being bad for the kidneys, I would say yes. But the bulking drugs were probably the least damaging substances he consumed.
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well.. i cant talk for tom. i am sure chick can.. but when i did speak to him years ago he was not bitter at all.. he said would have done many things different to try and prevent the pain and the taking of numerous pain killers.. meaning training different ect.. he did not blame gear when i talked to him.. maybe he has a different outlook now..
but in regards to tom not being "popular" on here.. i dont think he cared ;).. but i can tell ya when i talked to him he was a decent guy and pretty funny..
His stance hasn't changed, and Tom has mentioned taking NUMEROUS pain killers, not just advil as the fucktards here would have anyone believe...
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Sure, like the heaping amount of steroids had nothing to do with his kidney failure ::) ::)
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just as a sidepoint.........tom prince is one of my all time favorite bobyduilders
freaky thick cartoonish muscle
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Sure, like the heaping amount of steroids had nothing to do with his kidney failure ::) ::)
No, not really...If you knew more about the subject, you wouldnt make such staements. Did steroids HELP...no. Were they the direct cause....no.
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No, not really...If you knew more about the subject, you wouldnt make such staements. Did steroids HELP...no. Were they the direct cause....no.
You honestly can sit there and say steroids didn't cause his problems?
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No, not really...If you knew more about the subject, you wouldnt make such staements. Did steroids HELP...no. Were they the direct cause....no.
Bob-o, in medicine, they can never know for a 100% certainty what causes many diseases because the studies that are done to determine diseases are correlational studies, not experimental conditions, which allow for cause and effect. However, assigning people to an experiment or control condition (smoking or non smoking) is unethical.
With that in mind, no, we cannot say for a 100% certainty that steroids caused his disease. But we cannot rule out that possibility.
You reap what you sow.
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You honestly can sit there and say steroids didn't cause his problems?
Yeah, actaully I can. Pick up a book....
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Yeah, actaully I can. Pick up a book....
here is the book youre reading.
(http://www.amandabarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fairytale-book-image.gif)
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here is the book youre reading.
(http://www.amandabarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fairytale-book-image.gif)
Funny...but all you've done is expose your ignorance. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge on the subject will tell you that pain killers will destroy the kidneys 10 fold over AAS
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Funny...but all you've done is expose your ignorance. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge on the subject will tell you that pain killers will destroy the kidneys 10 fold over AAS
this is true, I also saw bob lecture this guy on a tv show who wanted to do gh and test to get back in shape and they guy was taking all these supplements and his blood tests from his doctor came back all whacked out and bob told him it was the supplements that he was taking all that crap not the steroids and gh, bob was right, i think it was called 30 days or something.
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Here's a freebie for ya, champ...
Prolonged or frequent use of two common over-the-counter pain medicines increases a person's chances of developing irreversible kidney failure, results of a new study show.
Adults who take the equivalent of more than two tablets of ibuprofen a day for seven years have roughly nine times the risk of kidney failure seen in people who take about two tablets a week, according to the report. Similar consumption of acetaminophen, the most popular painkiller in the United States, increases the risk of kidney failure about twofold.
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Here's a freebie for ya, champ...
Prolonged or frequent use of two common over-the-counter pain medicines increases a person's chances of developing irreversible kidney failure, results of a new study show.
Adults who take the equivalent of more than two tablets of ibuprofen a day for seven years have roughly nine times the risk of kidney failure seen in people who take about two tablets a week, according to the report. Similar consumption of acetaminophen, the most popular painkiller in the United States, increases the risk of kidney failure about twofold.
In contrast, frequent aspirin users seem to be at no increased risk, wrote the authors of a study appearing in today's New England Journal of …
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chick can you tell us what 30 days episode that was you were in that the guy wanted to lose weight with the test and gh?
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this is true, I also saw bob lecture this guy on a tv show who wanted to do gh and test to get back in shape and they guy was taking all these supplements and his blood tests from his doctor came back all whacked out and bob told him it was the supplements that he was taking all that crap not the steroids and gh, bob was right, i think it was called 30 days or something.
bob is selectively trying to say steroids don't fuck up your kidneys.
Everything is bad for you. Roids are just REALLY bad for your kidneys. ::)
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this is true, I also saw bob lecture this guy on a tv show who wanted to do gh and test to get back in shape and they guy was taking all these supplements and his blood tests from his doctor came back all whacked out and bob told him it was the supplements that he was taking all that crap not the steroids and gh, bob was right, i think it was called 30 days or something.
i remeber watching that show, with the guy trying to get back into shape with HRT, and being so frustrated.........at that guys insecure, hateful jew pig wife who was trying to impede his progress at every step..........because she didnt like that her husband was improving himself and starting to look better.............becau se she was a fat old sow, she wanted her husband ot be the same
so she was starting shit with that female personal trainer, cause she was insecure that the girl was pretty and spending time with the husband
starting shit with the doctors because the test and growth hormone were making him look and feel better
i actually had to turn the show off that woman made me so angry between her, and the negative picture the show was trying to paint about HRT.......the were starting from the premist that HRT was inherently harmful, so from the start the whole show was bias
the mistruths that guys primary care physician was saying about steroids were infuriating
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chick can you tell us what 30 days episode that was you were in that the guy wanted to lose weight with the test and gh?
http://www.tv.com/30-days/anti-aging/episode/432294/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;summary
Season 1
Episode 2
Anti-Aging
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bob is selectively trying to say steroids don't fuck up your kidneys.
everything is bad for you. Roids are just REALLY bad for your kidneys. ::)
no they are not,. you speaking about things that are over you head. long term abuse of extremely high doses can lead to chronically high blood pressure which in turn can lead to kidney damage
but much more damaging , acutely and in the longtem , is abuse of pills both prescription and over the counter
in the cases where bodybuilders did fuck up their kidneys, steroids were just one component in a veritable concert of kidney-damaging behavior
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http://www.tv.com/30-days/anti-aging/episode/432294/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;summary
Season 1
Episode 2
Anti-Aging
thank you Bob I will watch it tonight. You made that show!
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Guys, hop off the bandwagon. Bob is 100% correct so at least man up and admit it. NSAIDs are far more damaging than steroids, even at the doses Tom was taking. If you get regular blood work and are honest with your doctor you can negate virtually all the really bad long term affects.
Taking diuretics and going through precontest training (drug supplementation) is pretty nasty though. This isn't so healthy with the amount of food, training and drugs you feed your body while your CNS and body are in shambles.
Bob is spot on and not being selective, bias, protective or evasive. You fags are egging him on, baiting him and them melting down. Suffice to say Bob's taking out some rental space in your minds. Epic douchebaggery.
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Some judgemental fucks here, that's for sure.
What about the jackassess that got the transplants and went right back on the juice?
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no they are not,. you speaking about things that are over you head
longterm abuse of extremely high doses can lead to chronically high blood pressure which in turn can lead to kidney damage
but much more damaging , acutely and in the longtem , is abuse of pills both prescription and over the counter
in the cases where bodybuilders did fuck up their kidneys, steroids were just one component in a veritable concert of kidney-damaging behavior
hahaha no. I work in the medical field.
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His stance hasn't changed, and Tom has mentioned taking NUMEROUS pain killers, not just advil as the fucktards here would have anyone believe...
Why was Tom in so much pain?
Seriously, I have worked out continuously and have NEVER had any pain whatsoever. What was wrong with him that he was in so much pain all the time and that he needed to take so many different drugs at high levels?
I really hope you answer this question.
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That still does not answer the question of Why Tom was in so much pain that he needed to take so many Pain drugs at High Dosages.
I`d like to know what caused the pain? ???
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That still does not answer the question of Why Tom was in so much pain that he needed to take so many Pain drugs at High Dosages.
I`d like to know what caused the pain? ???
I agree, it is odd. Was it like some random pain that would come and go? And where was the pain located? :-\ :-\ :-\
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Why was Tom in so much pain?
Seriously, I have worked out continuously and have NEVER had any pain whatsoever. What was wrong with him that he was in so much pain all the time and that he needed to take so many different drugs at high levels?
I really hope you answer this question.
Sorry Adam but I don't think you were pulling around the kinds of weights Prince was, dude was incline pressing 495 for 10, you've never even dead lifted or shrugged that kind of weight.
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Sorry Adam but I don't think you were pulling around the kinds of weights Prince was, dude was incline pressing 495 for 10, you've never even dead lifted or shrugged that kind of weight.
Yes I have. I have dead lifted 600 lbs before and have done 510 for 10 on the deadlift when I was at my heaviest. I have a picture of me doing 535 (or was it 545) and 600 that I have posted.
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Yes I have. I have dead lifted 600 lbs before and have done 510 for 10 on the deadlift when I was at my heaviest. I have a picture of me doing 535 (or was it 545) and 600 that I have posted.
Sigh...you know what I meant, you don't use weight like that on a daily basis.
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I'm so jealous...wait no I'm not I have working kidneys.
Hahahah, #1 fan has been cracking me up lately. ;D
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Sorry Adam but I don't think you were pulling around the kinds of weights Prince was, dude was incline pressing 495 for 10, you've never even dead lifted or shrugged that kind of weight.
I`m not buying that lifting weights caused his pain. Not buying it one bit. There is something else at play here.
I personally think he was a drug addict who could not control himself and thus took pain pills, uppers and downers along with steroids in high dosages. The pain pills and pain medication especially when he was exhausted from the uppers and to combat the withdrawal symptoms.
I think he was an intense drug addict plain and simple.
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Sigh...you know what I meant, you don't use weight like that on a daily basis.
On a weekly basis for about 3 years of straight PermaBulking, I sure did.
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I`m not buying that lifting weights caused his pain. Not buying it one bit. There is something else at play here.
I personally think he was a drug addict who could not control himself and thus took pain pills, uppers and downers along with steroids in high dosages. The pain pills and pain medication especially when he was exhausted from the uppers and to combat the withdrawal symptoms.
I think he was an intense drug addict plain and simple.
Oh I agree wholeheartedly, he was a drug addict and probably still is.. wouldn't surprise me if he shoots up oxycontin or something, it's public knowledge he was addicted to nubain and other pain medicines.
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Oh I agree wholeheartedly, he was a drug addict and probably still is.. wouldn't surprise me if he shoots up oxycontin or something, it's public knowledge he was addicted to nubain and other pain medicines.
I`d like to know why and how he got started and what Bob Chick thinks the cause of the pain was from.
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That still does not answer the question of Why Tom was in so much pain that he needed to take so many Pain drugs at High Dosages.
I`d like to know what caused the pain? ???
Cus it is a lame excuse.
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Probably from not taking enough recovery time between workouts...
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Having kidney failure (and there are quite a few on the list) does not mean you are abusing steroids. Remember, a number of people are using steroids to get over various surgeries, including bypasses.
But Bob is right, pain medicine is a problem, especially when taking a lot of it, and Tom Prince was taking a lot of pills in a day (I thought I read 16 sometimes).
So when people blame steroids for everything that is wrong, obviously they know that isnt true, but try to get a rise out of people.
I hope Tom gets his kidney transplant operation soon. No matter what beef some people had with him.
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Having kidney failure (and there are quite a few on the list) does not mean you are abusing steroids. Remember, a number of people are using steroids to get over various surgeries, including bypasses.
But Bob is right, pain medicine is a problem, especially when taking a lot of it, and Tom Prince was taking a lot of pills in a day (I thought I read 16 sometimes).
So when people blame steroids for everything that is wrong, obviously they know that isnt true, but try to get a rise out of people.
I hope Tom gets his kidney transplant operation soon. No matter what beef some people had with him.
I don`t think anyone is singling out steroids here. What we all want to know is WHY was he taking so much pain Medication. What in his life was so wrong that caused this behavior. There is a reason for being a drug addict. It is not something that happens or develops overnight.
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Having kidney failure (and there are quite a few on the list) does not mean you are abusing steroids. Remember, a number of people are using steroids to get over various surgeries, including bypasses.
But Bob is right, pain medicine is a problem, especially when taking a lot of it, and Tom Prince was taking a lot of pills in a day (I thought I read 16 sometimes).
So when people blame steroids for everything that is wrong, obviously they know that isnt true, but try to get a rise out of people.
I hope Tom gets his kidney transplant operation soon. No matter what beef some people had with him.
actually Ron seeing pictures of you at the Olympia I am thinking you are on steroids :o
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Having kidney failure (and there are quite a few on the list) does not mean you are abusing steroids. Remember, a number of people are using steroids to get over various surgeries, including bypasses.
But Bob is right, pain medicine is a problem, especially when taking a lot of it, and Tom Prince was taking a lot of pills in a day (I thought I read 16 sometimes).
So when people blame steroids for everything that is wrong, obviously they know that isnt true, but try to get a rise out of people.
I hope Tom gets his kidney transplant operation soon. No matter what beef some people had with him.
I have no beef with anyone but its rediculous to equate someone taking low dosages of steroids to recover from a surgery to a man weighing 300lbs of muscle who was "on" non-stop for years!
::)
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Tom's elbows and shoulders hurt
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Tom's elbows and shoulders hurt
Why and how?
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why was he lifting so heavy, Bob?
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Short term moderate use of diueretics, NSAIDS/Narcs, and steroids will not fuck up your kidneys. Being on all three for years at a time will fuck you up eventually. Now using copious amounts of narcs/NSAIDS by themselves will definitely cause kidney failure. But with Prince it was a combination of everything and the BBing lifestyle. So say otherwise is pathetic and intellectually dishonest.
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Why was his shoulders and elbows hurting?? TA have you ever trained heavy on a consistant basis in your life? Looking at you I'd have to say no, but in Toms case I'd have to say training heavy day in and day out for years takes its toll. I wake up damn near morning with joint pain from training HEAVY on every exercise, every set for 30 years....it takes it toll.
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tom certainly was a monster. havent seen sicker hamstrings.
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The drug protocols taken by pro bodybuilders over a long span of time can impact on the body. Ray Mentzer was cavalier about so-called gonad stimulators. I remember one day I had a migraine headache but we were going out to dinner in LA. He told me to take two tablets that he gave me. I asked what they were and he wouldn't say but not to worry. I honestly don't like taking pills of any kind unless necessary. Anyway, I did try them and the headache vanished soon after. I could see how people would want medicine like that. The point is I believe Ray was somewhat foolish with his health. I think he needed pain killers, too, because he seemed to have a sore neck a lot. Could have been from doing those heavy, heavy squats and other heavy lifting.
No one on this site is qualified to say what caused or didn't cause various diseases and ailments. Clearly there is hardly any research done on what the pro bodybuilders are taking. Who knows what risks they are taking?
When I stayed at Ray's place in 1991 he said that a lot of the big guys were getting sick when approaching 300 pounds bodyweight. He, too, got ill and had to give up any idea of winning another top contest. Later we found out he had a kidney disease but apparently it was genetic. Bergers disease I think it was. Ray died in 2001 aged 47 and looking much older. He was on dialysis and that was a terrible way to go after being such a big and strong guy. Tom Prince seems to be faring somewhat like Ray did which is a real shame.
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The drug protocols taken by pro bodybuilders over a long span of time can impact on the body. Ray Mentzer was cavalier about so-called gonad stimulators. I remember one day I had a migraine headache but we were going out to dinner in LA. He told me to take two tablets that he gave me. I asked what they were and he wouldn't say but not to worry. I honestly don't like taking pills of any kind unless necessary. Anyway, I did try them and the headache vanished soon after. I could see how people would want medicine like that. The point is I believe Ray was somewhat foolish with his health. I think he needed pain killers, too, because he seemed to have a sore neck a lot. Could have been from doing those heavy, heavy squats and other heavy lifting.
No one on this site is qualified to say what caused or didn't cause various diseases and ailments. Clearly there is hardly any research done on what the pro bodybuilders are taking. Who knows what risks they are taking?
When I stayed at Ray's place in 1991 he said that a lot of the big guys were getting sick when approaching 300 pounds bodyweight. He, too, got ill and had to give up any idea of winning another top contest. Later we found out he had a kidney disease but apparently it was genetic. Bergers disease I think it was. Ray died in 2001 aged 47 and looking much older. He was on dialysis and that was a terrible way to go after being such a big and strong guy. Tom Prince seems to be faring somewhat like Ray did which is a real shame.
just shut up with you long wind bag diatribes.........such the typical old man that has SO much to say, and NO ONE that wants to hear his dated ramblings ::) ::)
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hahaha no. I work in the medical field.
and that makes you an expert on how steroids affect organ systems
i cant even list all the times mainstream medicine and well respected doctors have made ridiculous statements concerning PEDS.............the whole dialogue coming from mainstream medical community these days is laughable when it comes to this topic
cause their opinions don t come from a place of knowlege, or objectivity,............they come from a place of fear.........cause they know NOTHING about them, and fear things they dont understand
they just toe the party line, and push the fear agenda
its rally embarrassing, well educated doctors sounding like fearful superstitious tribal medicine men
, you work "in the medial community"........hwo does that give you any experience with steroids........cause like i said 99% of doctors in mainstram medicine know NOTHING about steroids
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Saw Tom at the gym the other day. He was off season and bulking up.
Current weight: 167lbs.
Look for Tom at the 2011 Olympia show. At this pace, Cutler and Heath better watch out!
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I work in a pharmacy.
Painkillers are addictive. So many people try to buy them from me every day. Like a pack of 32 tabns each day.
Just another form of drug addiction.
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I'm waiting for any Home Health Care Aids to chime in on this post.
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I work in a pharmacy.
Painkillers are addictive. So many people try to buy them from me every day. Like a pack of 32 tabns each day.
Just another form of drug addiction.
Hey bro can you tell me what isle the doritos are on? thanks!
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Why was Tom in so much pain?
Seriously, I have worked out continuously and have NEVER had any pain whatsoever. What was wrong with him that he was in so much pain all the time and that he needed to take so many different drugs at high levels?
I really hope you answer this question.
TP trained extremely heavy, and was one of the strongest BBers I ever knew. Some of the things he could do were truly eye opening. As a result of thst training over the years, he had a few surgeries along the way (both shoulders/ knee/ elbow) I guess like many others, you get used to taking pain killers to mask the pain and eventually, that can become a problem...
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LMFAO at Adonis comparing himself to Tom. Does it not go without saying that Tom was 100lbs heavier of muscle? Quite obvious that he lifts more and his damage is accelerated beyond the level of training this faggy wood elf who trains pitifully with his level 37 pumpkin haircut and +2 Walmart gym clothes.
Why all the stupid rhetoric from the peanut gallery? Still pissed that Tom uses painkillers as a cop out? In all fairness, he is the epitome of a drug abuser and he is quite aware. The dialisis and 12 year old female physique are surely a grim, daily reminder.
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To all the Saints of Getbig:
So many people want to know the "why's and how's" of what happened with TP-- the intricacies and all of the variables within and outside of his current "condition..."
Yet one has to wonder "why" so many people are concerned? How is it that so many people here espouse vast amounts of intelligence on the knowledge of drug abuse?
I think it's just like anything else. People are always interested to know how someone dies or gets injured so that they can rationalize their own behaviour. It's the "this won't happen to me" (denial) syndrome.
We all know (without a doubt) that everyone on this board has some kind of a problem (or multiple problems) they would truly love to rectify. No homo. Restated: Many people continue with destructive behaviour regardless of the consequences.
Why single out one guy?
Why judge him?
Single out yourself, judge yourself. After this effort, you probably won't care so much about somebody else's "downfalls"
You remind me of the people at the scene of an accident. You all stand around talking, but nobody does anything to help.
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TP trained extremely heavy, and was one of the strongest BBers I ever knew. Some of the things he could do were truly eye opening. As a result of thst training over the years, he had a few surgeries along the way (both shoulders/ knee/ elbow) I guess like many others, you get used to taking pain killers to mask the pain and eventually, that can become a problem...
While this post has merit, Chick conveniently dismisses the fact that Tom was a Nubain addict for quite a while. Tom was more than happy to engage in the insidious Venice lifestyle of drugs and whoring out his wife to the like of Cormier and others
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Why was Tom in so much pain?
maybe he took a brutal pounding in his G4P extracurricular activities?
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Here's the full article about Tom, by Flex magazine in 2004 called "When the Posing Stops: Tom Prince's Kidney failed him, his heart didn't", which talks about his kidney failure and the end of his career. I remember reading this when it first came out. Long time!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_3_22/ai_n6108163/?tag=content;col1
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LOL at TA claiming weight lifting can't cause chronic joint pain, been lifting for 9 years with a year break in the middle. I went the last 6 months with out a break lifting very heavy every workout every week, not Tom prince heavy but still more than 99% of the guys at the gym and just ran into really bad tendinitis in my elbows, one was so bad i thought it was torn or something. Needless to say I was taking pain killers almost every day just so I could lift, haven't done any pressing movements in three weeks because the pain got so bad in my left arm. Just started to come back around here in the last week.
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oh, so you're saying that their are more deserving people waiting for a kidney transplant?
does anyone remember that name of that show that came out on the discovery channel years back. It had titus and prince laughing and bragging about doing steroids?
haha I remember this show, Prince was going on how he could never diet or do bodybuilding natural and doesn't know how those guys can do it.
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Kidney damage can be done by any tablet you take with over use/ abuse. Steroids probably have fuckall to do with it unless he was tanning year round oral steroids but probably not
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LOL at TA claiming weight lifting can't cause chronic joint pain, been lifting for 9 years with a year break in the middle. I went the last 6 months with out a break lifting very heavy every workout every week, not Tom prince heavy but still more than 99% of the guys at the gym and just ran into really bad tendinitis in my elbows, one was so bad i thought it was torn or something. Needless to say I was taking pain killers almost every day just so I could lift, haven't done any pressing movements in three weeks because the pain got so bad in my left arm. Just started to come back around here in the last week.
Are you serious? Did he really say that??
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Here's the full article about Tom, by Flex magazine in 2004 called "When the Posing Stops: Tom Prince's Kidney failed him, his heart didn't", which talks about his kidney failure and the end of his career. I remember reading this when it first came out. Long time!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_3_22/ai_n6108163/?tag=content;col1
says in the article his kidneys function at 90%........thats actually not that bad
is this true
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Are you serious? Did he really say that??
Nope never said that. I just said I never experienced it and I have been lifting for about 13 years straight now with no break longer than 5-6 days every 5-6 months or so. I have gone to failure every single time just about and as heavy as I could possibly go each time. No injuries, No pain, nothing ever. Even when I was heavy for 3 years of Permabulking I had no issues whatsoever.
I guess thats superior genetics in some respect. ;)
Others on here may not be so lucky, but if you are truly lifetime Natural and don`t do anything too stuipid, you won`t have one single issue.
Prince fucked himself with the roids with roid related injuries destroying his tendons etc....and then used every pain drug under the sun which in turn developed into addiction. All this while completely deluded about his true self-image (used to walk around telling everyone there is no way he would be under 230 lbs and ripped, drug free)
Too bad he had to learn the hard way.
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Nope never said that. I just said I never experienced it and I have been lifting for about 13 years straight now with no break longer than 5-6 days every 5-6 months or so. I have gone to failure every single time just about and as heavy as I could possibly go each time. No injuries, No pain, nothing ever. Even when I was heavy for 3 years of Permabulking I had no issues whatsoever.
I guess thats superior genetics in some respect. ;)
Others on here may not be so lucky, but if you are truly lifetime Natural and don`t do anything too stuipid, you won`t have one single issue.
Prince fucked himself with the roids with roid related injuries destroying his tendons etc....and then used every pain drug under the sun which in turn developed into addiction. All this while completely deluded about his true self-image (used to walk around telling everyone there is no way he would be under 230 lbs and ripped, drug free)
Too bad he had to learn the hard way.
Too bad not everyone is a fearless and ferocious lion like you, Adam. ::)
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Ive had disc replacement at three levels, original problem started whilst playing football compression injuries from tackling and bodybuilding training compounded it. I used pain killers a lot during my pre and post operation period. My blood work never looked as bad when i was competing as when i was on pain killers both my liver and kidney count were way out worse than when i had competed and been on anapolan for sometime, if that gives you some insight into painkillers and the damage they could cause.
However i can totally understand a situation where both aas and meds were taken at the same time over long periods of time would be disastrous, then add in diuretics and there my friends you have a Tom Prince type situation more likely and kidney failure, I donnot think AAS use alone will cause issues in normal situations but combined use with pain meds and diuretics over a period in time will defiantly test your bodies resolve.
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im curious how he looks right now body wise.
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im curious how he looks right now body wise.
Dustin said it best......like a 12 year old girl. LMAO! It's pathetic what pro bodybuilders do to their health. If you think Tom Prince is an isolated case you are mistaken. And I can guarantee you guys like Chick are on a medicine cabinet full of drugs just to stay healthy. I'm sure his thyroid is shot, his balls don't produce test anymore and his hair has been replaced by plugs. Such is the life to be "big". It's very easy to hide health problems, especially chronic ones nowadays. And I love how it's always some rare disease that gets these guys. For Arnold it was a "cogenital" defective heart valve as if none of his steroid use and abuse which probably started in his teens had anything to do with it.
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Dustin said it best......like a 12 year old girl. LMAO! It's pathetic what pro bodybuilders do to their health. If you think Tom Prince is an isolated case you are mistaken. And I can guarantee you guys like Chick are on a medicine cabinet full of drugs just to stay healthy. I'm sure his thyroid is shot, his balls don't produce test anymore and his hair has been replaced by plugs. Such is the life to be "big". It's very easy to hide health problems, especially chronic ones nowadays. And I love how it's always some rare disease that gets these guys. For Arnold it was a "cogenital" defective heart valve as if none of his steroid use and abuse which probably started in his teens had anything to do with it.
LOL...dont forget the wooden leg, Jarvik-7 and penis pump!!
Thankfully, I dont have a medicine cabinet full of anything....as for the hair....100% real, Bill Bromanski.
Speaking of Hair...I've got a great business meeting coming up you guys will looooooooove! Details coming soon...
Keep up the bad work...
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His stance hasn't changed, and Tom has mentioned taking NUMEROUS pain killers, not just advil as the fucktards here would have anyone believe...
Curious as to whether you guys knew about the nubain and other painkiller abuse? Didn't you guys train together? It would seem easy to tell if someone was messed up. Did anyone try to talk to him?
I think as far as TA not understanding the pain, part of it was in another of your posts regarding the surgeries. That's how the addiction starts for many. They HAD a legitimate need, but the amount to kill the pain kept progressing and then it became the only way to feel normal. Also, consider that he was walking around at a hard 300 lbs for pete sake.
I never knew he needed a transplant. Sorry to hear that, and hope he gets one soon. I was always under the impression that it was a lesson learned to never play with fire again, and that was why he got outta the game.
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Nope never said that. I just said I never experienced it and I have been lifting for about 13 years straight now with no break longer than 5-6 days every 5-6 months or so. I have gone to failure every single time just about and as heavy as I could possibly go each time. No injuries, No pain, nothing ever. Even when I was heavy for 3 years of Permabulking I had no issues whatsoever.
I guess thats superior genetics in some respect. ;)
Others on here may not be so lucky, but if you are truly lifetime Natural and don`t do anything too stuipid, you won`t have one single issue.
Prince fucked himself with the roids with roid related injuries destroying his tendons etc....and then used every pain drug under the sun which in turn developed into addiction. All this while completely deluded about his true self-image (used to walk around telling everyone there is no way he would be under 230 lbs and ripped, drug free)
Too bad he had to learn the hard way.
You must be a god to have never had any injury. Never taking a break, always going to failure. You must be a genetic freak god.
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Curious as to whether you guys knew about the nubain and other painkiller abuse? Didn't you guys train together? It would seem easy to tell if someone was messed up. Did anyone try to talk to him?
I think as far as TA not understanding the pain, part of it was in another of your posts regarding the surgeries. That's how the addiction starts for many. They HAD a legitimate need, but the amount to kill the pain kept progressing and then it became the only way to feel normal. Also, consider that he was walking around at a hard 300 lbs for pete sake.
I never knew he needed a transplant. Sorry to hear that, and hope he gets one soon. I was always under the impression that it was a lesson learned to never play with fire again, and that was why he got outta the game.
Of course I knew about it...as HE did...but that didnt make a difference. Tom was smart enough to think he was smart enough to overcome it, get around it, etc..
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For a few years dude was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world- for real. Was the trade-out worth it? He's the only one who knows.
As a life long powerlfiter, bodybuilder and strength athlete, I think it would be pretty fucking cool to be able to say that at one time, "I was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world." I'm just sayin'.
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For a few years dude was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world- for real. Was the trade-out worth it? He's the only one who knows.
As a life long powerlfiter, bodybuilder and strength athlete, I think it would be pretty fucking cool to be able to say that at one time, "I was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world." I'm just sayin'.
And that he was...at 315, he was truly one of the most massive BBers I've ever seen...his strength was off the chart.
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For a few years dude was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world- for real. Was the trade-out worth it? He's the only one who knows.
As a life long powerlfiter, bodybuilder and strength athlete, I think it would be pretty fucking cool to be able to say that at one time, "I was one of the biggest most muscular men in the world." I'm just sayin'.
Might be cool, but it just sounds all mumbled from 6 feet underground. I hope he gets better soon so that isn't a concern. It's suprising to me how there aren't more of these stories from the nubain era athletes. I had a friend shoot it in front of me, went fucking stupid and threw up and then asked me if I wanted to try it. Umm, yeah you seem to be having a great time there bud ::)
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And that he was...at 315, he was truly one of the most massive BBers I've ever seen...his strength was off the chart.
And so what? When the guy has to look his fucking wife and kid in the eyes as the life slowly slips away from his body in 15 years having never reached old age will it be "worth it"? The world gives fuck all about Tom Prince except those few subculture losers who follow the sport or are a "fan". So the guy was 315 pounds who really gives a fuck? Has he done fuck all to help humanity? To see justice in the world? To leave this world a better place than when he entered it? He's a used up ex pill popper begging for a kidney after trashing his body. And you and your kind are the ones that "glorify" these guys. LMAO! It would be funny if not sad. At least guys like Pat Tilman died for a fucking purpose. What will Tom Prince say he died for? Too many pain killers? LMAO!
My point being life is a learning experience.....and if someone like Tom Prince can look back and say it was truly worth it ............he's an epic fucking moron! And he has no clue just how miserable his life is going to be as his kidney problems get worse.
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Might be cool, but it just sounds all mumbled from 6 feet underground. I hope he gets better soon so that isn't a concern. It's suprising to me how there aren't more of these stories from the nubain era athletes. I had a friend shoot it in front of me, went fucking stupid and threw up and then asked me if I wanted to try it. Umm, yeah you seem to be having a great time there bud ::)
By contrast, When I first went out to LA to move there, Tom and crew were having a conversation about it when we were all hanging out....the name came up and I whispered to Tom "What the hell is 'Bain"", he thought I was joking...I assured him I had no clue what it was...after laughing at my naivety, he explained what it was and scolded me to never try it, not once, not ever...that he wished he never had...
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LOL...dont forget the wooden leg, Jarvik-7 and penis pump!!
Thankfully, I dont have a medicine cabinet full of anything....as for the hair....100% real, Bill Bromanski.
Speaking of Hair...I've got a great business meeting coming up you guys will looooooooove! Details coming soon...
Keep up the bad work...
JUST FOR MEN!!!! Hair products!
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS... ADUB uncovers the next big gig for our very own Chick!
lol
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By contrast, When I first went out to LA to move there, Tom and crew were having a conversation about it when we were all hanging out....the name came up and I whispered to Tom "What the hell is 'Bain"", he thought I was joking...I assured him I had no clue what it was...after laughing at my naivety, he explained what it was and scolded me to never try it, not once, not ever...that he wished he never had...
when i did powerlifting i knew a lot more people using nubain then when i did BB....
bench
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JUST FOR MEN!!!! Hair products!
THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS... ADUB uncovers the next big gig for our very own Chick!
lol
Close...but I cant give any detais until after the 5th, as I have a meeting
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By contrast, When I first went out to LA to move there, Tom and crew were having a conversation about it when we were all hanging out....the name came up and I whispered to Tom "What the hell is 'Bain"", he thought I was joking...I assured him I had no clue what it was...after laughing at my naivety, he explained what it was and scolded me to never try it, not once, not ever...that he wished he never had...
Yeah sure Chick you never knew what Bain was after being a police officer on the East Coast? ::)
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Close...but I cant give any detais until after the 5th, as I have a meeting
HMMMM nice! Good luck
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Yeah sure Chick you never knew what Bain was after being a police officer on the East Coast? ::)
No...not when I was on the force from 1987-90
God you're a retard
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By contrast, When I first went out to LA to move there, Tom and crew were having a conversation about it when we were all hanging out....the name came up and I whispered to Tom "What the hell is 'Bain"", he thought I was joking...I assured him I had no clue what it was...after laughing at my naivety, he explained what it was and scolded me to never try it, not once, not ever...that he wished he never had...
It's amazing sometimes how we can be smart enough to look out for our friends while we are fucking up with exactly what we warn about. When I was a kid my uncle scolded me about never chugging hard liqour cuz of how it you quickly. So what does he do a couple months later.....wraps his car around a tree after some hard partying. Luckily, he survived and did a major 180 in life.
P.S.- Can't believe your playing dumb about the task force in your precinct that thwarted the east coasts largest bain ring in the 80's :P
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Close...but I cant give any detais until after the 5th, as I have a meeting
Grecian Formula then ???
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tom said he could be 230 natural.. i dont doubt that.. but to point out his current look is because he was all drugs is silly.. tom looks the way he does because of his doctors orders to be light and avoid much protein.,. plus he hardly trains now at all.. and there in lies the look he has....
i also have to agree with chick that tom was the most impressive guy i have ever seen.. i was able to see tom train in his prime and he was 300 at 5'8.. and the widest human being i have ever seen..
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And so what? When the guy has to look his fucking wife and kid in the eyes as the life slowly slips away from his body in 15 years having never reached old age will it be "worth it"? The world gives fuck all about Tom Prince except those few subculture losers who follow the sport or are a "fan". So the guy was 315 pounds who really gives a fuck? Has he done fuck all to help humanity? To see justice in the world? To leave this world a better place than when he entered it? He's a used up ex pill popper begging for a kidney after trashing his body. And you and your kind are the ones that "glorify" these guys. LMAO! It would be funny if not sad. At least guys like Pat Tilman died for a fucking purpose. What will Tom Prince say he died for? Too many pain killers? LMAO!
My point being life is a learning experience.....and if someone like Tom Prince can look back and say it was truly worth it ............he's an epic fucking moron! And he has no clue just how miserable his life is going to be as his kidney problems get worse.
And I assume you think you are of some benefit to the world by posting this retarded diatribe and judging another man for things he did to himself. Why do you care so much?
A DUB
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By contrast, When I first went out to LA to move there, Tom and crew were having a conversation about it when we were all hanging out....the name came up and I whispered to Tom "What the hell is 'Bain"", he thought I was joking...I assured him I had no clue what it was...after laughing at my naivety, he explained what it was and scolded me to never try it, not once, not ever...that he wished he never had...
You've been rather open and honest in this thread... would you tell us what anabolic you think gave him the most strength? was he a big fan of A bombs (Anadrol 50) ?
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You've been rather open and honest in this thread... would you tell us what anabolic you think gave him the most strength? was he a big fan of A bombs (Anadrol 50) ?
Dont know if it was anything in particular...he's just one of those strong mofo's, with it, without it....
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If he gets a new kidney he will be back on the juice in no time ,fuck him.
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You've been rather open and honest in this thread... would you tell us what anabolic you think gave him the most strength? was he a big fan of A bombs (Anadrol 50) ?
LOL worth a shot wasn't it bro?
The reality is... life on dialysis blows... if you arent able to do PD at home, you end up going to the center 3x per week and sit there for a few hours while your blood is "cleaned".... patients feel absolutely horrible during it and after... Nausea, vomitting is common... but if he is able to get a transplant and doesnt have any issues with rejection or infections, he can live a pretty decent life.
I am sure when he is sitting there during dialysis, at least in the beginning, he was probably debating about "Was this worth it or not..." But the reality is, he can't take back the past, so im sure at this point he is more focused on heading in the right direction...
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LOL worth a shot wasn't it bro?
The reality is... life on dialysis blows... if you arent able to do PD at home, you end up going to the center 3x per week and sit there for a few hours while your blood is "cleaned".... patients feel absolutely horrible during it and after... Nausea, vomitting is common... but if he is able to get a transplant and doesnt have any issues with rejection or infections, he can live a pretty decent life.
I am sure when he is sitting there during dialysis, at least in the beginning, he was probably debating about "Was this worth it or not..." But the reality is, he can't take back the past, so im sure at this point he is more focused on heading in the right direction...
I can't figure out why Chick is so secretive about gear.. it's not like he's probably going to compete again, he might as well post some cycles up :D
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I can't figure out why Chick is so secretive about gear.. it's not like he's probably going to compete again, he might as well post some cycles up :D
I think the thing is... if Bob posts his cycle and says "This is what I took. 100% exactly what I took." People will say "YOU ARE FULL OF SH%T... NO WAY! I bet it was 2x the amount or 5x the amount"... or whatever... "YOU DIDNT USE SLIN?! BS!" You know how people are on this board...
The other issue is the whole legal issue. Advertising your drug cycles online doesnt seem like the brightest thing to do... Its an endorsement for people to copy it and F themselves up and then point the finger and say "Thats what Bob was saying he did..."
If you really wanna know what pros take, become friends with one of the guru's im sure they will tell you.
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I had heard back in the day that 5,000mg per week of combined test and other roids was the norm... this was back in the late 90's... im sure its changed quite a bit now for the top guys. But i think the Shawn Ray and Levrone era, a guy with super genetics like they had probably could have gotten away that amount.
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Yeah sure Chick you never knew what Bain was after being a police officer on the East Coast? ::)
3 of my buddies are police officers here in Dallas Texas... only 1 of the 3 had ever heard of "nubain"... and the one that had only knew about it because a friend of his was using it!
So just because you are a cop doesn't make you an expert on obscure drugs like nubain.
Heroin, cocaine, XTC, pot, PCP... of course... but nubain, not so much.
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A steorid using cop on the east coast never hearing of bain? LMAO! ::) Sure.
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I can't figure out why Chick is so secretive about gear.. it's not like he's probably going to compete again, he might as well post some cycles up :D
dude, your smarter then that......of course everyone would like bob to post his cycles
but the truth of the matter is bob has a LOT to lose, and ZERO to gain by posting steroid cycles for idiots on the net
he is: the pretty much "official" IFBB MC
the IFBB athletes rep
BSN contract holder
works for AMI
Hosts PBW which is sponsored by flex, muscletech, adn bb.com
and when roles arise....getting TV and film work
how the hell does he benifit announcing his cycles......supplement companies have fired athletes on the spot for mentioning steroids (ask christian boeving)
monetarily.......it just doesnt make sense just to get some cheap props by a bunch of kids on amessage board
I had heard back in the day that 5,000mg per week of combined test and other roids was the norm... this was back in the late 90's... im sure its changed quite a bit now for the top guys. But i think the Shawn Ray and Levrone era, a guy with super genetics like they had probably could have gotten away that amount.
"back in the day" and by that i mean mid 90's on...........they werent doing anything different from today as far as steroid doses go
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Funny...but all you've done is expose your ignorance. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge on the subject will tell you that pain killers will destroy the kidneys 10 fold over AAS
i agree with you chick. but i wonder did he keep his blood pressure in check. that is the ONLY way steriods can effect you kidneys as far as i know. anyway i honestly wish him the best. i have met him a couple of times at the expo and was always nice to me
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dude, your smarter then that......of course everyone would like bob to post his cycles
but the truth of the matter is bob has a LOT to lose, and ZERO to gain by posting steroid cycles for idiots on the net
he is: the pretty much "official" IFBB MC
the IFBB athletes rep
BSN contract holder
works for AMI
Hosts PBW which is sponsored by flex, muscletech, adn bb.com
and when roles arise....getting TV and film work
how the hell does he benifit announcing his cycles......supplement companies have fired athletes on the spot for mentioning steroids (ask christian boeving)
monetarily.......it just doesnt make sense just to get some cheap props by a bunch of kids on amessage board
"back in the day" and by that i mean mid 90's on...........they werent doing anything different from today as far as steroid doses go
I know..I know I'm just one of those people that studies details and know all pro's keep journals/diaries with their full preconstest regiments in them..I've seen a few in person and like to compare notes..
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I know..I know I'm just one of those people that studies details and know all pro's keep journals/diaries with their full preconstest regiments in them..I've seen a few in person and like to compare notes..
you can pretty much guess-timate what he might have typically taken with pretty good accuracy.........i doubt there was that much that would surprise you
prob around 2 - 3.5 grams of test...(maybe more at more adventurous points)
half that or more of more anabolic compounds like equipoise and masteron or winny and a tren ester
some orals thrown in throughout the year, and leading up to precontest primobolon or some halo
...moderate dosse of GH 8-15 IUs, prolly close to the lower end.........bob was one fo the few guys around who really managed to keep a streamlined waist in the mass era
bob doesnt appear like a big slin guy to me, but im sure he has employed it to some degree at some point
other things were employed as contest time would appear, but again, he never looked like he went all too crazy with that stuff either (again, on the surface)
he never looked like his eyes were about to fallout of his head because he was so dehydrated, or pulled a paul dillet
just from the surface bob looks like a guy who tried (as much as you can in a sport like this) to preserve his health and not permanently damage himself.....especially as he became a veteran in the sport and not a reckless youth
no real surprises.....
but then again he did pal around with tom prince who was known to be pretty generous with the dosages (of EVERYTHING)
i cant be that far off, everything i said is pretty par for the course......i mean, he wasnt taking 750 mgs of test and the wasnt one of thosee idiots taking 8000mgs we can reasobnably assume hge was probably on the lower end of the dose curve
and he never got that gh/insulin palumbo-ism
maybe i am away off though.......
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you can pretty much guess-timate what he might have typically taken with pretty good accuracy.........i doubt there were any suprises
prob around 2 1/2 - 4 grams of test...
half that or more of more anabolic compounds like equipoise and masteron or winny and a tren ester
some orals thrown in throughout the year, and leading up to precontest primobolon or some halo
...moderate dosse of GH 8-15 IUs, prolly close to the lower end.........bob was one fo the few guys around who really managed to keep a streamlined waist in the mass era
bob doesnt appear like a big slin guy to me, but im sure he has employed it to some degree at some point
other things were employed as contest time would appear, but again, he never looked like he went all to crazy with that stuff either (again, on the surface)
he never looked like his eyes were about to fallout of his head because he was so dehydrated, or pulled a paul dillet
just from the surface bob looks like a guy who tried (as much as you can in a sport like this) to preserver his health and not permanently damage himself.....especially as he became a veteran in the sport and not a reckless youth
no real surprises.....
but then again he did pal around with tom prince who was known to be pretty generous with the dosages (of EVERYTHING)
i cant be that far off, everything i said is pretty par for the course......i mean he wasnt taking 750 mgs of test and the wasnt one of thosee idiots taking 8000 we can reasobnably assume
and he never got that gh/insulin palumbo-ism
maybe i am away off though.......
I think you are spot on, as always.
Bobs seems like a guys who took care of his health well. From training (machines, avoiding bench squats and dl) to drugs (low dosages, basic stuff)
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I think you are spot on, as always.
Bobs seems like a guys who took care of his health well. From training (machines, avoiding bench squats and dl) to drugs (low dosages, basic stuff)
thank you.....its common sense if you think about it
there is only a handful of steroids that matter to people, you got some growth, some slin
but you look at chick, and you dont see ronnie or marcus or paco..........he never came off as reckless, always aspired to be more then just a bodybuilder............. ..even now, he isnt one of those guys like ronnie who wont let it go and is still taking as much as when he competed, i believe he is close to HRT doses, if that
bob is now about money.....not killing himself with drugs in his 50's
at the height of his career you know he wasnt taking 500mgs of test a week like some gymrat looking for abs.......but he doesnt come off like one of those trevor smith-type dudes who would be pushing up into the 7 or 8 or 9 or 10,000mg range.....he probably hovered around 1.5 to 4 realistically
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i agree with you chick. but i wonder did he keep his blood pressure in check. that is the ONLY way steriods can effect you kidneys as far as i know. anyway i honestly wish him the best. i have met him a couple of times at the expo and was always nice to me
Tom mentioned several times that he NEVER went to see a doctor... so i am pretty sure he never monitored his BP on a regular basis...
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Still waiting....and still running a real estate management business with his wife, doing quite well and as healthy as can be expected.
Good to hear, Bob. I hope everything works out well for him healthwise.
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thank you.....its common sense if you think about it
there is only a handful of steroids that matter to people, you got some growth, some slin
but you look at chick, and you dont see ronnie or marcus or paco..........he never came off as reckless, always aspired to be more then just a bodybuilder............. ..even now, he isnt one of those guys like ronnie who wont let it go and is still taking as much as when he competed, i believe he is close to HRT doses, if that
bob is now about money.....not killing himself with drugs in his 50's
at the height of his career you know he wasnt taking 500mgs of test a week like some gymrat looking for abs.......but he doesnt come off like one of those trevor smith-type dudes who would be pushing up into the 7 or 8 or 9 or 10,000mg range.....he probably hovered around 1.5 to 4 realistically
Trevor Smith type dudes? What the fuck is that supposed to mean jack off? Trevor was one of the most sincere, nicest, most helpful guys in the industry. More honest, truthful and stand up than a Bob Chick any day of the week. And the guy never used 10K mg a week. If you believe that you're a fucking dumbass. RIP Trevor! All around good dude! NuclearNutrition products were some of the best around.
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Trevor Smith type dudes? What the fuck is that supposed to mean jack off? Trevor was one of the most sincere, nicest, most helpful guys in the industry. More honest, truthful and stand up than a Bob Chick any day of the week. And the guy never used 10K mg a week. If you believe that you're a fucking dumbass. RIP Trevor! All around good dude! NuclearNutrition products were some of the best around.
god your a fucking idiot......and each one of your posts is more ignorant then the next (no easy feat) ::) ::)
fucking ignorant moron running off at the mouth like a bitch over things he doesnt comprehend
by-"trevor smith-type dude" you FUCKHOLE..............i mean, trevor was known as a guy who pushed the envelope as far as doses go.........and was known to advocate test dosages up in the 7, 8, 9 10 thousand range
he might have been the greatest guy in the world.......but its not debatable that he advocated these type of doses, that is what he is primarily remembered for.......THIS POINT ISNT UP FOR ARBITRATION FUCKHOLE ::) ::)
punch you mother in her pussy, then hang yourself..............re tard ::) ::)
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punch you mother in her pussy, then hang yourself..............re tard ::) ::)
ROFL ;D
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ROFL ;D
some people huh willgrant.......how do they function without a brain??
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My question is Why Tom was not aware that taking so much pain killers would have serious effect on his Kidney sooner or later, at least his FRIENDS could have warn him, or Tom knew what he was doing and would go all the way at all cost no matter what?.......I assume at one point that anyone would realize that abusing any drugs whether it be aspirins or Deca would cause something anytime soon........anyway, what's done is done and hope others would learn from his mistakes.....all in all, I wish the Dude Luck in getting a Kidney
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My question is Why Tom was not aware that taking so much pain killers would have serious effect on his Kidney sooner or later, at least his FRIENDS could have warn him, or Tom knew what he was doing and would go all the way at all cost no matter what?.......I assume at one point that anyone would realize that abusing any drugs whether it be aspirins or Deca would cause something anytime soon........anyway, what's done is done and hope others would learn from his mistakes.....all in all, I wish the Dude Luck in getting a Kidney
cause he was addicted to them, and when your addicted to opiates........the last thing on your mind is how they are affecting your kidneys
your concerned with not running oout and getting dope-sick
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you can pretty much guess-timate what he might have typically taken with pretty good accuracy.........i doubt there was that much that would surprise you
prob around 2 - 3.5 grams of test...(maybe more at more adventurous points)
half that or more of more anabolic compounds like equipoise and masteron or winny and a tren ester
some orals thrown in throughout the year, and leading up to precontest primobolon or some halo
...moderate dosse of GH 8-15 IUs, prolly close to the lower end.........bob was one fo the few guys around who really managed to keep a streamlined waist in the mass era
but then again he did pal around with tom prince who was known to be pretty generous with the dosages (of EVERYTHING)
Yeah but I can guarantee Chick wouldn't even admit to half of that. :D
His buddy TP said he took 1200mg of test at most. GH was at 3iu max. Slin he never ever tired, and as he said, "I don't want my gut hanging to the floor". :D
I was a bit surprised that Bob admitted to taking Humalog (which he bought OTC at a pharmacy). I mean insulin was even too hardcore for his mentor Tom Prince. :D
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Yeah but I can guarantee Chick wouldn't even admit to half of that. :D
His buddy TP said he took 1200mg of test at most. GH was at 3iu max. Slin he never ever tired, and as he said, "I don't want my gut hanging to the floor". :D
I was a bit surprised that Bob admitted to taking Humalog (which he bought OTC at a pharmacy). I mean insulin was even too hardcore for his mentor Tom Prince. :D
but tom prince had one best GH-insulin-bellies of recent memory
yeh, chick would never admit to half of that...........but none of them do
palumbo,.........the quintessential "all drugs" bodybuilders tries to say he never went over 1000mgs of test
they are all liars........but chick has to lie, he has good job positions that are at stake
you can look at another way, whatever they admit to doing,.............some idiot kid on a message board will always think they are lowballing......and do twice as much
so if they say they did 1000mgs.....they know, that some idiot kid on a message board is going to do 2000mg
now what if they told the truth and said they were doing 4000mgs of test...........the fuckstick kid, will be doing 6000 or 7000mgs of test and hurting himslef
so at times, i understand why they would miniminze how much they take
that being said, the amounts i laid out above are pretty conservative...........m any pros go much MUCH higher
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Yeah but I can guarantee Chick wouldn't even admit to half of that. :D
His buddy TP said he took 1200mg of test at most. GH was at 3iu max. Slin he never ever tired, and as he said, "I don't want my gut hanging to the floor". :D
I was a bit surprised that Bob admitted to taking Humalog (which he bought OTC at a pharmacy). I mean insulin was even too hardcore for his mentor Tom Prince. :D
Lets get one thing straight...I used Insulin for a two day period in the carbing up process, for two shows...never used it before that, never used it off season, never used it since in any way, including any other shows I did....
Tom only used it in the same manner, never used it in the off season...didnt believe in it, and we had plenty of examples all around us to indicate it wasnt the best
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And that he was...at 315, he was truly one of the most massive BBers I've ever seen...his strength was off the chart.
Bob what are some of Tom's most impressive lifts you have seen?
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Bob what are some of Tom's most impressive lifts you have seen?
Seen him do 85 lb alternate DB curls, seated
Incline on smith machine- 495 starting from the BOTTOM....thats more inpressive to me than the lift! lol
Hack squats- 11 plates...on each side for 8 reps
Most of his big lifts were done prior to me training with him, before his surgeries to shoulders, etc...
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Seen him do 85 lb alternate DB curls, seated
Incline on smith machine- 495 starting from the BOTTOM....thats more inpressive to me than the lift! lol
Hack squats- 11 plates...on each side for 8 reps
Most of his big lifts were done prior to me training with him, before his surgeries to shoulders, etc...
Only pussies train on hack and smith machines. Goes to show you for as big and massive as Tom was he was really not that strong nor were any of his lifts impressive. ::)
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cause he was addicted to them, and when your addicted to opiates........the last thing on your mind is how they are affecting your kidneys
your concerned with not running oout and getting dope-sick
Post of the day.
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Only pussies train on hack and smith machines. Goes to show you for as big and massive as Tom was he was really not that strong nor were any of his lifts impressive. ::)
pussies? i can only imagine how impressive you must think you are all covered in chalk and tossing around bars and plates.
wanker
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Only pussies train on hack and smith machines. Goes to show you for as big and massive as Tom was he was really not that strong nor were any of his lifts impressive. ::)
Yes his leg development certainly attests to how worthless those hack squats were. ::) Fucking tool
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Nope never said that. I just said I never experienced it and I have been lifting for about 13 years straight now with no break longer than 5-6 days every 5-6 months or so. I have gone to failure every single time just about and as heavy as I could possibly go each time. No injuries, No pain, nothing ever. Even when I was heavy for 3 years of Permabulking I had no issues whatsoever.
I guess thats superior genetics in some respect. ;)
Others on here may not be so lucky, but if you are truly lifetime Natural and don`t do anything too stuipid, you won`t have one single issue.
Prince fucked himself with the roids with roid related injuries destroying his tendons etc....and then used every pain drug under the sun which in turn developed into addiction. All this while completely deluded about his true self-image (used to walk around telling everyone there is no way he would be under 230 lbs and ripped, drug free)
Too bad he had to learn the hard way.
No offense but you haven't been big in a long, long time. I'm sure at a massive 155lbs you're not moving anything heavy. Don't even make any claims as no one on here believes a word you say.
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Why was Tom in so much pain?
Seriously, I have worked out continuously and have NEVER had any pain whatsoever. What was wrong with him that he was in so much pain all the time and that he needed to take so many different drugs at high levels?
I really hope you answer this question.
Tom was extremely strong and lifted monster weights all the time, far too often. His shoulders got destroyed the worst. His back felt it. Knees were blown. Once you start with the painkillers, the effects lessen so more must be taken. Over a short period of time they can become very addictive. It's a HIGHway to hell.