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Why is every team giving a gift to Derek Jeter during his last game in their stadium? :-\
Yes, Jeter's a Hall of Famer but why the farewell tour with gifts?
Is it because Jeter (as far as the public knows) hasn't been linked to PEDs during his career?
Hall of Famer Barry Larkin retired without any hoopla.
I'll be having a few words with Jeter this weekend in Toronto and i'll be neither thanking nor hating on him.
(I wish he'd keep playing because he makes the Yankees worse as their everyday shortstop.)
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It's because Jeter's the odd player who is admired and respected throughout the league by players, managers, and fans, is a first ballot Hall of Famer, spent his entire career with one team had many high profile successes and signature plays, and never had any real scandal. Similar to Mariano Rivera, who got the same treatment.
Don't concern yourself about it too much. You're a Toronto fan, so you won't ever have to worry about having a player like that.
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because the guy has tapped some of the finest asses in hollywood , they are just showing him some respect
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because the guy has tapped some of the finest asses in hollywood , they are just showing him some respect
Yeah, forgot about this.....Alba, Biel, Brewster, Carey (prime), Lima, Minka Kelley, Dutta (Miss Universe), Guerra, Minilo, etc...
http://thestir.cafemom.com/sports/168293/14_women_derek_jeter_dated/
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It's because Jeter's the odd player who is admired and respected throughout the league by players, managers, and fans, is a first ballot Hall of Famer, spent his entire career with one team had many high profile successes and signature plays, and never had any real scandal. Similar to Mariano Rivera, who got the same treatment.
Don't concern yourself about it too much. You're a Toronto fan, so you won't ever have to worry about having a player like that.
why have the only baseball players in the history of the sport to have a farewell tour with GIFTS (lol) been Rivera, Jeter and Chipper Jones?
Jeter would've just stepped away from the game without much fanfare if he'd played in say K.C. or Pittsburgh.
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why have the only baseball players in the history of the sport to have a farewell tour with GIFTS (lol) been Rivera, Jeter and Chipper Jones?
Jeter would've just stepped away from the game without much fanfare if he'd played in say K.C. or Pittsburgh.
Who cares, he didn't play for them, he played for the most storied team in sports history, and added multiple chapters of his own. As for why, ask the other fucking teams - they're the ones doing it on their own.
He is one the top 1-2 shortstops ever, the face of MLB, multiple WS winner, and was a key part of the greatest baseball dynasty of the modern era. He's baseball's Jordan.
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Why is every team giving a gift to Derek Jeter during his last game in their stadium? :-\
Yes, Jeter's a Hall of Famer but why the farewell tour with gifts?
Is it because Jeter (as far as the public knows) hasn't been linked to PEDs during his career?
Hall of Famer Barry Larkin retired without any hoopla.
I'll be having a few words with Jeter this weekend in Toronto and i'll be neither thanking nor hating on him.
(I wish he'd keep playing because he makes the Yankees worse as their everyday shortstop.)
grapefruit breath, your head has been under the white towel too long
generally when an all time great retires from a sport most fans show their appreciation. Like him or not he is #6 on the all time hits list that goes for baseball and chicks
Larkin is a hall of famer, Jeter is an all time great with 5 world series rings.
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why have the only baseball players in the history of the sport to have a farewell tour with GIFTS (lol) been Rivera, Jeter and Chipper Jones?
Jeter would've just stepped away from the game without much fanfare if he'd played in say K.C. or Pittsburgh.
Watch you tone when mentioning Chipper Jones >:(
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grapefruit breath, your head has been under the white towel too long
generally when an all time great retires from a sport most fans show their appreciation. Like him or not he is #6 on the all time hits list that goes for baseball and chicks
Larkin is a hall of famer, Jeter is an all time great with 5 world series rings.
"Fans showing their appreciation" for the all time greats is cool.
Opposing teams giving gifts in pre-game ceremonies is kinda cheesy.
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Why is every team giving a gift to Derek Jeter during his last game in their stadium? :-\
Yes, Jeter's a Hall of Famer but why the farewell tour with gifts?
Is it because Jeter (as far as the public knows) hasn't been linked to PEDs during his career?
Hall of Famer Barry Larkin retired without any hoopla.
I'll be having a few words with Jeter this weekend in Toronto and i'll be neither thanking nor hating on him.
(I wish he'd keep playing because he makes the Yankees worse as their everyday shortstop.)
because he's a guy who brought honor to the game played with dignity and class something very few do nowadays, see a-fraud, canseco, sammy sosa , barry bonds, mark mcqwire, manny ramirez the giambino and on and on.
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because he's a guy who brought honor to the game played with dignity and class something very few do nowadays, see a-fraud, canseco, sammy sosa , barry bonds, mark mcqwire, manny ramirez the giambino and on and on.
sounds like you're pretty much making the PED-free case for "bringing honor to the game" ...
many other Hall of Famers played the game the right way without a big sideshow about it.
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It's because Jeter's the odd player who is admired and respected throughout the league by players, managers, and fans, is a first ballot Hall of Famer, spent his entire career with one team had many high profile successes and signature plays, and never had any real scandal. Similar to Mariano Rivera, who got the same treatment.
Don't concern yourself about it too much. You're a Toronto fan, so you won't ever have to worry about having a player like that.
It was a smart move to have this thread on the G&O. The sports board is dead, and GrapeApe is a tyrant as a mod.
Have an opposing view of the Yankees? He deletes it. Call Jeter overrated? He deletes it.
The opitome of a biased mod.
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It was a smart move to have this thread on the G&O. The sports board is dead, and GrapeApe is a tyrant as a mod.
Have an opposing view of the Yankees? He deletes it. Call Jeter overrated? He deletes it.
The opitome of a biased mod.
such are the perks of moderation..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It was a smart move to have this thread on the G&O. The sports board is dead, and GrapeApe is a tyrant as a mod.
Have an opposing view of the Yankees? He deletes it. Call Jeter overrated? He deletes it.
The opitome of a biased mod.
This is your "changed man" shitzo, everyone.
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many other Hall of Famers played the game the right way without a big sideshow about it.
Once again, teams are choosing to do this on their own.
He's not just "any hall of famer". Possibly the best all time at his position, key part in reviving the greatest dynasty in sports history, THE FACE OF MLB, no scandals, 5 WS rings, huge defining moments on the biggest stage, multi all star, all star MVP, etc.......once again, he's the Jordan of baseball.
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This is your "changed man" shitzo, everyone.
It's called the truth. Unfortunately :-\
Ron must have been drunk, playing "pin the mod to a forum" one day.
I don't see how some of you ever made the cut.
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It's called the truth. Unfortunately :-\
Ron must have been drunk, playing "pin the mod to a forum" one day.
I don't see how some of you ever made the cut.
You and the truth is hilarious, since you have zero credibility in that department, as you've been nothing but a proven liar throughout your entire history here.
Also, getting insulted by someone widely considered to be the worst poster in the history of the board only raises internet rankings.
You are changed indeed. ::)
But, continue derailing another thread.
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You and the truth is hilarious, since you have zero credibility in that department, as you've been nothing but a proven liar throughout your entire history here.
Also, getting insulted by someone widely considered to be the worst poster in the history of the board only raises internet rankings.
You are changed indeed. ::)
But, continue derailing another thread.
Meltdown.
I would rather talk about sports (on topic) without my shit getting deleted.
Can you manage that? Asshole. The all seeing eye is watching you ;)
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Meltdown.
I would rather talk about sports (on topic) without my shit getting deleted.
Can you manage that? Asshole. The all seeing eye is watching you ;)
Meltdown
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Cal Ripken Jr. & Tony Gwynn both had farewell tours with gifts too. Playing your entire career with 1 team & announcing it's your final year have a lot to do with it. Ken Griffey Jr. played for multiple teams & retired in the middle of the season. Remember "nap gate"? While a great player he didn't end his career the right way, if you want to get clocks, leather jackets, guitars & motorcycles...
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Meltdown.
I would rather talk about sports (on topic) without my shit getting deleted.
Can you manage that? Asshole. The all seeing eye is watching you ;)
The "changed man" speaks again folks, once again showing how he is the lowest of the low here, and why nobody believes anything he says.
You can post about sports if you do not bait, or post about posting. If you cannot abide, you will now have three boards here that you're banned on.
Good work on trying to derail yet another thread, changey.
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The "changed man" speaks again folks, once again showing how he is the lowest of the low here, and why nobody believes anything he says.
You can post about sports if you do not bait, or post about posting. If you cannot abide, you will now have three boards here that you're banned on.
Good work on trying to derail yet another thread, changey.
Tell me that I am lying....... This all started when you deleted my "on topic" post about the Yankees a few days ago.
It was on topic. It was my opinion on said topic. You just did not like it.
Swear on your mother's grave that I am a liar.
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Once again, teams are choosing to do this on their own.
yeah, i'm sure the Commissioner's Office has nothing to do with it ...
once one team does it, they all have to fall in line.
He's not just "any hall of famer". Possibly the best all time at his position, key part in reviving the greatest dynasty in sports history, THE FACE OF MLB, no scandals, 5 WS rings, huge defining moments on the biggest stage, multi all star, all star MVP, etc.......once again, he's the Jordan of baseball.
"the best all time at his position?" ... Jeter could flat out hit! ... but shortstop is the most important defensive position behind the pitcher and every unbiased observer (except blinded Yankees fans) agree that Jeter has been sub-par defensively throughout his career ... LOL at the gold gloves!
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Once again, teams are choosing to do this on their own.
He's not just "any hall of famer". Possibly the best all time at his position, key part in reviving the greatest dynasty in sports history, THE FACE OF MLB, no scandals, 5 WS rings, huge defining moments on the biggest stage, multi all star, all star MVP, etc.......once again, he's the Jordan of baseball.
No......Derek Jeter is NOT the Michael Jordan of baseball.
No.
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Cal Ripken Jr. & Tony Gwynn both had farewell tours with gifts too. Playing your entire career with 1 team & announcing it's your final year have a lot to do with it. Ken Griffey Jr. played for multiple teams & retired in the middle of the season. Remember "nap gate"? While a great player he didn't end his career the right way, if you want to get clocks, leather jackets, guitars & motorcycles...
Cal Ripken went out in a classy way ... didn't announce he was going until halfway thru his final season ... and then when he made his final stops, some teams made a charitable donation to his Dad's Foundation.
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yeah, i'm sure the Commissioner's Office has nothing to do with it ...
once one team does it, they all have to fall in line.
"the best all time at his position?" ... Jeter could flat out hit! ... but shortstop is the most important defensive position behind the pitcher and every unbiased observer (except blinded Yankees fans) agree that Jeter has been sub-par defensively throughout his career ... LOL at the gold gloves!
Not only defense, but we should also include baserunning, no? I assume you're a big fan of fWAR then, since it incorporates both UZR / UBR AND uSB.......those measures have Jeter all the way down to.....third all time. But I'm sure all the measurements on Honus Wagner were SPOT ON. ::)
So, yeah, he is one of the top all time at his position, plus all the other stuff mentioned.
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No......Derek Jeter is NOT the Michael Jordan of baseball.
No.
You're right - Jeter never had to pretend to leave the game to cover anything up.
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You're right - Jeter never had to pretend to leave the game to cover anything up.
So by calling Jeter the "Michael Jordan" of baseball, are you insinuating that he is the best of all time?
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Cal Ripken went out in a classy way ... didn't announce he was going until halfway thru his final season ... and then when he made his final stops, some teams made a charitable donation to his Dad's Foundation.
Gwynn went out the same way, announced it mid-season. But once teams knew they still did the gift thing
"On June 28th, 2001, Tony Gwynn announced to the San Diego Padres and their fans that he will retire at the end of the season. Why did he wait until halfway through the season to announce it? He didn’t want all the “fanfare” of a farewell tour. What we are seeing with and Derek Jeter is exactly what Gwynn didn’t want. That is the man he was. He was humble and it would have made him uncomfortable. He battled injuries throughout the 2001 season. He only appeared in 71 games in his final season, hitting .324 in 102 at-bats. He was held to pinch-hit duty much of the year." -MLB.com
Jeter was a great player, but no-where near the best. Not even at his position. But he LOVED the spotlight, & he loves the attention, and the farewell tour
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So by calling Jeter the "Michael Jordan" of baseball, are you insinuating that he is the best of all time?
No. It's in the context of being one of the most popular players ever, the current face of the sport, the respect, the fame, the aura......
Jeter is nowhere near Jordan in terms of "overall best ever" in terms in respective sports.
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Gwynn went out the same way, announced it mid-season. But once teams knew they still did the gift thing
"On June 28th, 2001, Tony Gwynn announced to the San Diego Padres and their fans that he will retire at the end of the season. Why did he wait until halfway through the season to announce it? He didn’t want all the “fanfare” of a farewell tour. What we are seeing with and Derek Jeter is exactly what Gwynn didn’t want. That is the man he was. He was humble and it would have made him uncomfortable. He battled injuries throughout the 2001 season. He only appeared in 71 games in his final season, hitting .324 in 102 at-bats. He was held to pinch-hit duty much of the year." -MLB.com
Jeter was a great player, but no-where near the best. Not even at his position. But he LOVED the spotlight, & he loves the attention, and the farewell tour
Agree on Gwynn, but saying Jeter is nowhere near the best at his position isn't true. Certain metrics, like fWAR above, which incorporates defense and baserunning has him 3rd, while many other metrics have him top ten. That's near.
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Jeter has hired a lot of top notch "beards" over the years. He's smart and makes them all sign waivers.
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No. It's in the context of being one of the most popular players ever, the current face of the sport, the respect, the fame, the aura......
Jeter is nowhere near Jordan in terms of "overall best ever" in terms in respective sports.
So stop calling him the Michael Jordan of baseball.
It makes no sense.
He is not even in the top 5 of all time Yankees.
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So stop calling him the Michael Jordan of baseball.
It makes no sense.
He is not even in the top 5 of all time Yankees.
I already explained why it does. Unless you counter it, then there's no need to discuss.
In terms of overall context, Jeter is most definitely a top 5 Yankee. Arguably the most popular Yankee ever.
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I already explained why it does. Unless you counter it, then there's no need to discuss.
In terms of overall context, Jeter is most definitely a top 5 Yankee. Arguably the most popular Yankee ever.
Not even close. Mariano contributed more than Jeter has.
Ruth
Gehrig
Dimaggio
Mantle
Berra
Jackson
Mattingly
Rivera
Torre
Steinbrenner
All more valuable Yankees than Jeter.
The players voted Jeter the most overrated player in baseball one year.
What is he...... A lifetime .310 hitter that averages 13 homers and 46 RBI's?
Sure he had a couple of clutch plays in big games, but any starter will put up decent total numbers in a 20 year career.
Jeter was/ in the right place at the right time.
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Not even close. Mariano contributed more than Jeter has.
Ruth
Gehrig
Dimaggio
Mantle
Berra
Jackson
Mattingly
Rivera
Torre
Steinbrenner
All more valuable Yankees than Jeter.
The players voted Jeter the most overrated player in baseball one year.
What is he...... A lifetime .310 hitter that averages 13 homers and 46 RBI's?
Sure he had a couple of clutch plays in big games, but any starter will put up decent total numbers in a 20 year career.
Jeter was/ in the right place at the right time.
Jeter's top five in WAR all time Yankees, only trailing Ruth/Mantle/Dimaggio and Gehrig, and his popularity within the fan base and MLB is second to none.
He was also key in the rebirth of the dynasty.
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Jeter's top five in WAR all time Yankees, only trailing Ruth/Mantle/Dimaggio and Gehrig, and his popularity within the fan base and MLB is second to none.
He was also key in the rebirth of the dynasty.
Thats exactly why he is out of my top 5.
Those 4 you mentioned and Mariano Rivera.
Besides, the oldschool Yanks would laugh at WAR.
Thats a cover for: you don't put up big numbers, so lets try a moneyball spin on it.
13 homers is 13 homers. 48 RBIs is 48 RBIs.
He was a slightly above average defensive shortstop in his prime.
He played for 20 years and did things the right way.
That is Derek Jeter.
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Thats exactly why he is out of my top 5.
Those 4 you mentioned and Mariano Rivera.
Besides, the oldschool Yanks would laugh at WAR.
Thats a cover for: you don't put up big numbers, so lets try a moneyball spin on it.
13 homers is 13 homers. 48 RBIs is 48 RBIs.
He was a slightly above average defensive shortstop in his prime.
He played for 20 years and did things the right way.
That is Derek Jeter.
Using RBI for your "moneyball" analysis for the loss. Try again dipshit.
And prime years consisting of 153 OPS+ and .989 OPS are not the bullshit #'s you pulled out of your ass.
You're wrong again, but not worth discussing anything with when drunk and in troll mode, as you're completely transparent again. Enjoy the booze and getting owned in the other threads.
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You're right - Jeter never had to pretend to leave the game to cover anything up.
What year was Jeter's father murdered?
Jordan leaving basketball never hurt his legacy. He was the best athlete on the planet for some time, he is arguably the best basketball player of all-time.
Jeter's isn't in the top-ten in either category.
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Using RBI for your "moneyball" analysis for the loss. Try again dipshit.
And prime years consisting of 153 OPS+ and .989 OPS are not the bullshit #'s you pulled out of your ass.
You're wrong again, but not worth discussing anything with when drunk and in troll mode, as you're completely transparent again. Enjoy the booze and getting owned in the other threads.
Do you see this? He gets mad and says I am drunk and in "troll mode again".
I am just having a friendly sports debate.
You need to work on that.
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What year was Jeter's father murdered?
Jordan leaving basketball never hurt his legacy. He was the best athlete on the planet for some time, he is arguably the best basketball player of all-time.
Jeter's isn't in the top-ten in either category.
Except I wasn't saying that he was.
I explained the analogy in the fact that he was an incredible player on a dynasty team, well respected by other teams and fans, had the fame and superstar "aura" and that he's been the face of the sport for a good amount of time. All those are on par with Jordan.
I never claimed he was the best ever at the sport like MJ. Nobody's made that argument.
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Tell me that I am lying....... This all started when you deleted my "on topic" post about the Yankees a few days ago.
It was on topic. It was my opinion on said topic. You just did not like it.
Swear on your mother's grave that I am a liar.
(http://abovethelaw.com/uploads/2012/03/thumb_angry_typing.jpg)
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What year was Jeter's father murdered?
Jordan leaving basketball never hurt his legacy. He was the best athlete on the planet for some time, he is arguably the best basketball player of all-time.
Jeter's isn't in the top-ten in either category.
Gotta agree.
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My dad is a lifelong Yankees fan, and I tease him about Jeter all of the time. I tell him about the weak ass can of corn hits to the opposite field and the prancing he does around the field.
Even my dad puts him out of the top 5 ( I'll ask him again this weekend) but he loves him some Jeter.
Jeter is great for the sport. Solid, Hall of Fame player, and keeps his nose clean.
Hell, I am the same way about Tom Brady. Except Brady actually puts up top 5 QB stats :o
My guy can arguably be considered the best qb of all time.
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My dad is a lifelong Yankees fan, and I tease him about Jeter all of the time. I tell him about the weak ass can of corn hits to the opposite field and the prancing he does around the field.
Even my dad puts him out of the top 5 ( I'll ask him again this weekend) but he loves him some Jeter.
Jeter is great for the sport. Solid, Hall of Fame player, and keeps his nose clean.
Hell, I am the same way about Tom Brady. Except Brady actually puts up top 5 QB stats :o
My guy can arguably be considered the best qb of all time.
Jeter's never been my favorite Yankee at any point in his career, save maybe this one because nobody's left. And, as expected, he stinks this year. But I can't discount the numbers, the popularity, and his knack for the prime time play. He's actually underrated, numbers wise.
He will be considered one of the most popular Yankees ever once it's done, if not THE most. He's a Yankee legend now, and it's only going to grow.
And he was able to win a title late in his career, and win others without any scandal tied to it. Unlike Brady.
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Jeter's never been my favorite Yankee at any point in his career, save maybe this one because nobody's left. And, as expected, he stinks this year. But I can't discount the numbers, the popularity, and his knack for the prime time play. He's actually underrated, numbers wise.
Are you high? He got 3,000 hits. He also played for 20 years. He ain't no Ichiro.
He will be considered one of the most popular Yankees ever once it's done, if not THE most. He's a Yankee legend now, and it's only going to grow.
Babe Ruth will always be the face of the Yankees.
And he was able to win a title late in his career, and win others without any scandal tied to it. Unlike Brady.
Don't open that can of worms. You can't possibly win that fight.
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Nice quoting. Jeter is underrated for his numbers, but you wouldn't understand, so I'll drop it.
But as for the Pats, yes I can win that one. It's easy if you stick to the facts.
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Nice quoting. Jeter is underrated for his numbers, but you wouldn't understand, so I'll drop it.
But as for the Pats, yes I can win that one. It's easy if you stick to the facts.
Here are the facts for the Patriots.
Brady: One of the best Qb's of all time.
Belichick: One of the best coaches of all time.
2001-2004 Patriots: Dynasty
2004 on.......The model of a winner. In the hunt every single year. With 2 more superbowl appearances sprinkled in.
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Here are the facts for the Patriots.
Brady: One of the best Qb's of all time.
Belichick: One of the best coaches of all time.
2001-2004 Patriots: Dynasty
2004 on.......The model of a winner. In the hunt every single year. With 2 more superbowl appearances sprinkled in.
Agreed on Brady / Belicheat and that they had a dynasty 10 years ago.
Here's the other facts:
Was busted for videotaping opposing teams' walkthroughs and had their legendary coach fined 500k and draft picks.
Won all their Super Bowls by less than a TD, possibly the difference of knowing the other teams' first 20-25 plays.
Have never won a Super Bowl since.
Haven't won a Super Bowl in a decade.
Play in a continuously horrid division which hands them a playoff appearance every year (not their fault).
QB wears Uggs.
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Agreed on Brady / Belicheat and that they had a dynasty 10 years ago.
Here's the other facts:
Was busted for videotaping opposing teams' walkthroughs and had their legendary coach fined 500k and draft picks.
Won all their Super Bowls by less than a TD, possibly the difference of knowing the other teams' first 20-25 plays.
Have never won a Super Bowl since.
Haven't won a Super Bowl in a decade.
Play in a continuously horrid division which hands them a playoff appearance every year (not their fault).
QB wears Uggs.
Manning may lose his starting job this year. The Giants will probably be horrible again.
The Patriots win 75% of their games. The real America's Team.
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Baseball is called Rounders in the UK and only girls play it.
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epic baserunning by Jeter last night haha
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It's because Jeter's the odd player who is admired and respected throughout the league by players, managers, and fans, is a first ballot Hall of Famer, spent his entire career with one team had many high profile successes and signature plays, and never had any real scandal. Similar to Mariano Rivera, who got the same treatment.
Don't concern yourself about it too much. You're a Toronto fan, so you won't ever have to worry about having a player like that.
Yup. Agree. Was at the last (Sunday) game. DJ got a 5-minute standing O, and even shed a few tears. Pretty cool. He was also the last out in a Jays' 4-3 win, so that was cool, too. Great day to be a baseball fan.
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Yup. Agree. Was at the last (Sunday) game. DJ got a 5-minute standing O, and even shed a few tears. Pretty cool. He was also the last out in a Jays' 4-3 win, so that was cool, too. Great day to be a baseball fan.
the Yanks DHed him on Sunday ... but did you notice that in last Friday and Saturday's games the Jays got 4 extra baserunners on groundballs to short that 90% of the shortstops in the league can make the play on but that Jeter couldn't ...?
in the past (in his prime) it'd only be one extra baserunner a game for the opponents on a play that Jeter couldn't make ... but what's he still doing out there for a team that thinks it's still in contention? :-\
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the Yanks DHed him on Sunday ... but did you notice that in last Friday and Saturday's games the Jays got 4 extra baserunners on groundballs to short that 90% of the shortstops in the league can make the play on but that Jeter couldn't ...?
in the past (in his prime) it'd only be one extra baserunner a game for the opponents on a play that Jeter couldn't make ... but what's he still doing out there for a team that thinks it's still in contention? :-\
They know deep down that they are not in contention.
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Dudes probably gay.
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Derek Jeter the only baseball player with Hall of fame hopes that during his best years never was the biggest star on his own team .
WOOOSSSHHHHH
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Baseball is called Rounders in the UK and only girls play it.
The guys play cricket, which is far more masculine.
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Derek Jeter the only baseball player that during his best years never was the biggest star on his own team .
WOOOSSSHHHHH
maybe household names like Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada should've been feted by baseball since they both have a higher career OPS and played better defence than Jeter?
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Jeter never was the best SS, in his own league as guys like Omar Vizquel were much better than him...
Hell Jeter wasn't even the best SS in his own team as ARod while playing 3rd was already a gold globe winner short stop and younger than Jeter! he switched to 3rd base so Jeter could have a place in the team.
WooOSSSHHHHHHHH
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maybe household names like Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada should've been feted by baseball since they both have a higher career OPS and played better defence than Jeter?
Both excellent players too. Might never see a class of players stay together their whole career like those guys did.
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it's funny to hear the sheep buying into the Myth of Derek Jeter.
yes, Jeter deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer for his 3000+ hits and his rings ...
but Jeter is basically Craig Biggio-plus, as he was fortunate to play on stacked teams in the biggest media market ... (whereas Biggio is still trying to scratch 'n claw his way into the hall of fame.)
great career consistency by Jeter but he only led his position in WAR one time during his 20 years.
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it's funny to hear the sheep buying into the Myth of Derek Jeter.
yes, Jeter deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer for his 3000+ hits and his rings ...
but Jeter is basically Craig Biggio-plus, as he was fortunate to play on stacked teams in the biggest media market ... (whereas Biggio is still trying to scratch 'n claw his way into the hall of fame.)
great career consistency by Jeter but he only led his position in WAR one time during his 20 years.
It's actually funnier to see you melt over the accolades, respect, and admiration he's getting. I'll bet you bought into thinking Josh Johnson, RA Dickey and Reyes would make you win the East.
But, as I'm SURE you know, WAR has its limitations when used for a single season, due to the UZR fluxes ::)
Fans who understand the game like Chimps get it. Jeter transcends the game.
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It's actually funnier to see you melt over the accolades, respect, and admiration he's getting.
he deserves respect. but the Jeterfication of baseball is just a tad over-the-top tho ...
Fans who understand the game like Chimps get it.
epic admission of not being able to back shit up haha.
oh yeah, all those intelligent fans who embarrassingly voted him to start in the all star game year after year (when he was way past his prime) lol
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he deserves respect. but the Jeterfication of baseball is just a tad over-the-top tho ...
epic admission of not being able to back shit up haha.
oh yeah, all those intelligent fans who embarrassingly voted him to start in the all star game year after year (when he was way past his prime) lol
I can back anything and everything up numbers wise. You want to talk fangraphs, BR, UZR, WAR, WoBA, fine - go google your brains out.
But these accolades aren't about pure data. They're about what the fans have created around a player they love and respect.
The all star game is a joke. It's purposely made for the fans, and will always be a popularity contest. Sure, Jeter didn't deserve to be there on numbers, but what did he do whe he got there? Showed range like we haven't seen on the first play of the game and doubled in his first at bat. Gave the fans what they wanted to see. It's what he's done his whole career.
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They're about what the fans have created around a player they love and respect.
hence, the myth of Derek Jeter.
(that's fine, whatever makes fans feel better.)
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hence, the myth of Derek Jeter.
(that's fine, whatever makes fans feel better.)
It's not a myth though. His career backs it up in terms of numbers, longevity, personal highlights, championship rings, overall team success, lack of scandal, and amount of grade A snatch he's hammered.
Black Ink Batting - 10 (241), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting - 145 (99), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 337 (11), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 67 (19), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Shortstop (12th), 71.9 career WAR/42.2 7yr-peak WAR/57.1 JAWS
Average HOF SS (out of 21) = 66.7 career WAR/42.8 7yr-peak WAR/54.7 JAWS
He falls short on the black ink since he's not a power hitter, but all other metrics support him........especially James' HoFM
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Dudes probably gay.
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baltimore gave jeter crabs on his visit to camden yards.
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baltimore gave jeter crabs on his visit to camden yards.
here's pic.
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:o :o :o
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baltimore gave jeter crabs on his visit to camden yards.
Guessing Miami has already done that too
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today he gets a bronze cap....
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*Bump* If only to note I yesterday wore my Gehrig jersey. Some
punk kid had the nerve to ask me who he was. I wept. :-\ ;D
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Was at the game. It was perfect.
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Was at the game. It was perfect.
Nice. Nothing better than a day at the ballpark. I love everything about it. Gonna get the Yankees cap, with the Jeter thingy, for a friend for X-Mas.
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Was at the game. It was perfect.
Epic 8)
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keith oberratedman says jeter shouldn't be a first ballot HOFer what a lame tool he is. sick of these espn types thinking that they are bigger than the game. report the news and shut thee hell up booooya. backk back back...... sick of these tools.
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keith oberratedman says jeter shouldn't be a first ballot HOFer what a lame tool he is. sick of these espn types thinking that they are bigger than the game. report the news and shut thee hell up booooya. backk back back...... sick of these tools.
He is a first time HOFer easily. Great role model. By all accounts, a great man.
He does not make my top 5 Yankees though.
My top 5 Yankees:
1. Ruth
2. Gehrig
3. Dimaggio
4. Mantle
5. Rivera
6. Jeter
7. Berra
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What the fuck are all these teams giving Jeter gifts for??
Hey thanks Derek for kicking the shit out of us for the last 20 years. ::)
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What the fuck are all these teams giving Jeter gifts for??
Hey thanks Derek for kicking the shit out of us for the last 20 years. ::)
Its tradition. They have done it for other players as well.
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What the fuck are all these teams giving Jeter gifts for??
Hey thanks Derek for kicking the shit out of us for the last 20 years. ::)
He's probably the last guy who will get one of these for a while.
How 'bout them O's?
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He is a first time HOFer easily. Great role model. By all accounts, a great man.
He does not make my top 5 Yankees though.
My top 5 Yankees:
1. Ruth
2. Gehrig
3. Dimaggio
4. Mantle
5. Rivera
6. Jeter
7. Berra
wow.. you put rivera and jeter ahead of reggie, windfield, rizzuto, b williams, whitey ford???
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wow.. you put rivera and jeter ahead of reggie, windfield, rizzuto, b williams, whitey ford???
Rivera is more iconic than any of those guys.
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wow.. you put rivera and jeter ahead of reggie, windfield, rizzuto, b williams, whitey ford???
Reggie and Winfield played for a handful of teams each.
Bernie was a very good Yankee, but both Rivera and Jeter meant more to the team.
You could argue about Rizzuto and Ford being in the Yankees top ten.
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He's probably the last guy who will get one of these for a while.
How 'bout them O's?
Yeah...it's crazy. The team had 17 consecutive losing season up until 2 years ago. They are coasting into the playoffs on a losing streak which is a little unsettling. Not having Chris Davis' bat in the lineup for the playoffs is unsettling as well.
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He is a first time HOFer easily. Great role model. By all accounts, a great man.
He does not make my top 5 Yankees though.
My top 5 Yankees:
1. Ruth
2. Gehrig
3. Dimaggio
4. Mantle
5. Rivera
6. Jeter
7. Berra
how about 1. ruth . 2. gehrig/ 3. berra. 4. mantle. 5.dimaggio 6. jeter. 7. whitey ford. 8. m. rivera. 9. elston howard 10. ron guidry.
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by the way click on baseball reference .com go on the team sites yankees. it has the top 20 listed for war which is an advanced stat denoting a players true worth now days. ruth, gehrig mantle....... number 9= m rivera... numbers don't lie...
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by the way click on baseball reference .com go on the team sites yankees. it has the top 20 listed for war which is an advanced stat denoting a players true worth now days. ruth, gehrig mantle....... number 9= m rivera... numbers don't lie...
I don't think it's fair to use WAR to compare every day players to relief pitchers.
Top relievers tend to get the same WAR scores as average ballplayers.
In addition, there are severe variances on the defensive side of the WAR coin, so I have no faith in those numbers being attributed to players who played before the stat even exisited.
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there's a good read in the new espn about jeter definitely worth a read.
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there's a good read in the new espn about jeter definitely worth a read.
Great cover.
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I don't think it's fair to use WAR to compare every day players to relief pitchers.
Top relievers tend to get the same WAR scores as average ballplayers.
In addition, there are severe variances on the defensive side of the WAR coin, so I have no faith in those numbers being attributed to players who played before the stat even exisited.
it's imprecise but pretty close to a players value....
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it's imprecise but pretty close to a players value....
I get you on that, I'm just not sold on it being fair for relievers, or comfortable with the limitations surrounding defensive metrics in general, let alone applying those metrics to games that took place almost 100 years before the stat was invented.
Nowadays, UZR has the benefit of having every ball hit tracked and recorded, as well as the players subsequent involvement in the play. Even with that, the inventor of the stat claims it's not really accurate with sample sizes under three years. I don't know how that part of WAR gets tracked for games that aren't even filmed.
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it's imprecise but pretty close to a players value....
biggest shock is willie randolf being 11 th on this list....
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biggest shock is willie randolf being 11 th on this list....
It is, but he did play 17 years, so that helps.
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Nice. Nothing better than a day at the ballpark. I love everything about it. Gonna get the Yankees cap, with the Jeter thingy, for a friend for X-Mas.
Cap bought. Did the cool Jeter name/number-stitching thingy on the back. Cost $60+. Swore I would never pay more than $40 for a hat. What an idiot. ::) ;D
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Cap bought. Did the cool Jeter name/number-stitching thingy on the back. Cost $60+. Swore I would never pay more than $40 for a hat. What an idiot. ::) ;D
Nice.
The merchandise was nuts at the stadium for the last game. I bought a "final game" hat, but then just a bunch of programs and pins to give out to friends.
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Nice.
The merchandise was nuts at the stadium for the last game. I bought a "final game" hat, but then just a bunch of programs and pins to give out to friends.
Superior thinking. Should have done that, too.