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3 years for thirty seven is a good deal. Welcome back Mike!
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hell yea i love mike lowell and i swear if they would have let him go it would have been about the wrost thing they could do he is soo many different things to that team to replace youd need at least 3-4 different guys with different attributes...
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Great News
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baseball salaries make me sick. what a joke this contract is. but then again most of them are
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baseball salaries make me sick. what a joke this contract is. but then again most of them are
I see what you mean, but the MLB is a seven billion dollar a year company. Baseball is one of the few sports that pay the athletes what they are worth ( considering how much the leagues make). Think about NFL contracts compared to how much the league makes per year. People come to see the players. They are the league's.
I am happy with this contract. The yankees and phillies offered him 40 million. It would not be smart to sign Lowel for 4 years. Although he is a great player , he is 33.
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I see what you mean, but the MLB is a seven billion dollar a year company. Baseball is one of the few sports that pay the athletes what they are worth ( considering how much the leagues make). Think about NFL contracts compared to how much the league makes per year. People come to see the players. They are the league's.
I am happy with this contract. The yankees and phillies offered him 40 million. It would not be smart to sign Lowel for 4 years. Although he is a great player , he is 33.
He is made for Fenway park. Both parties were smart enough to realize this.
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baseball salaries make me sick. what a joke this contract is. but then again most of them are
Tori Hunter at 18 million a year is absolutely disgusting. .271 career average, but, far worse, a .324 OBP.
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3 years for thirty seven is a good deal. Welcome back Mike!
I was hoping the pads could lure him away from Boston
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I was hoping the pads could lure him away from Boston
3 years is the perfect deal for him imo. Mike is a great player , and also a great team mate. The team loves him.
I like the padres. If he was going to go, I would have liked to see him go to a team like that.
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Yea the Padres wouldve been a good team for him but still in all the best team for him is the Red Sox...and you wanna talk about gross deals how bout the dickhead Yanks picking back up ARod and now they are going after fucking santana man in minnesota lets him go they have know one left
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Yea the Padres wouldve been a good team for him but still in all the best team for him is the Red Sox...and you wanna talk about gross deals how bout the dickhead Yanks picking back up ARod and now they are going after fucking santana man in minnesota lets him go they have know one left
The yanks are going to have to cough up a big chunk of there top prospects for Santana. Im not worried.about the yankees.
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niether am i really i just hate them...they were talkin about giving up cabrera and some young prospects for santana
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The yanks are going to have to cough up a big chunk of there top prospects for Santana. Im not worried.about the yankees.
The acquisition of Santana to either the Yanks or the sox pretty much gives that team the division (provided Pettitte returns).
Personally, I'd like to see him land in the NL. Let a big name go somewhere else for once. I want to see Chamberlain/Hughes/Kennedy vs. Buchholz/Lester/Matsuzaka.
The Yankees need him more than Boston does, since they have Beckett, so they will probably go after him harder.
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The acquisition of Santana to either the Yanks or the sox pretty much gives that team the division (provided Pettitte returns).
Personally, I'd like to see him land in the NL. Let a big name go somewhere else for once. I want to see Chamberlain/Hughes/Kennedy vs. Buchholz/Lester/Matsuzaka.
The Yankees need him more than Boston does, since they have Beckett, so they will probably go after him harder.
I agree with you. I like our youth movement. Homegrown. I hope to see the same thing. I dont want to see the yanks give up any of the guys you listed , as well as the sox you listed to.
Especially Ellsbury. I want to se Crisp and Lugo go.
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hell no i agree with all of that except keep crisp i love crisp he is a hard working center and as far as defnsively for the money your not going to beat him...
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Ellsbury is a better hitter , better base runner, has a better arm and has all the tools to be a fine defensive player in center.If not for Ellsbury we dont win the world series. Tito saw the light and benched crisp for Jacobe and he got some actual production. Jacobe cost a fraction of what crisp does since he is home grown. You dump coco and that horrible contract imo.
Latest news on Santana has the sox as the frontrunners in the deal. The names Ellsbury and Buckholz are NOT mentioned in this new deal. Only Lester,Crisp and a few younger prospects. You do this deal if it is true. Becket , Santana, Dice k, Schill , Wake and Buckholz. Um yes. As long as my boys Buckholz and Ellsbury stay im all for it!
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/
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you know i felt one way but since you brought it up you are right about jacobe and to give up lester crisp for santana would be a sweet deal for us...plus you gotta think that the twins are marketting for a center fielder so crisp will look better there where there is no other options...and can i just say holy shit to that rotation...
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you know i felt one way but since you brought it up you are right about jacobe and to give up lester crisp for santana would be a sweet deal for us...plus you gotta think that the twins are marketting for a center fielder so crisp will look better there where there is no other options...and can i just say holy shit to that rotation...
Don't sweat it. I agree with you 100 percent about coco's defensive skill. But Ellsbury is going to be a special player. I think he could be a Carlos Beltrane type talent. We saw him spark our offense, and make key play after key play on the biggest stage there is. Everytime he plays there is a spark. He is going to be a star.
Masterson is a great prospect. 6'6 240. Strike out machine. BUT to get Santana for Masterson , Lester , Crisp, and Lowrie is a move you have to make.
Not only would we upgrade center field at a fraction of the cost , we would have by far the best rotation in baseball. We could use that extra money from Crisp to add a little more middle relief.
A rotation of Becket , Santana, Dice k, Buckholz, Schill and Wake.. With Oki , Delcarmen and Paplebon closing would be about as good as you can get.
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Ellsbury is a better hitter , better base runner, has a better arm and has all the tools to be a fine defensive player in center.If not for Ellsbury we dont win the world series. Tito saw the light and benched crisp for Jacobe and he got some actual production. Jacobe cost a fraction of what crisp does since he is home grown. You dump coco and that horrible contract imo.
Latest news on Santana has the sox as the frontrunners in the deal. The names Ellsbury and Buckholz are NOT mentioned in this new deal. Only Lester,Crisp and a few younger prospects. You do this deal if it is true. Becket , Santana, Dice k, Schill , Wake and Buckholz. Um yes. As long as my boys Buckholz and Ellsbury stay im all for it!
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/
I would make that trade in a second.
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I could be wrong, but if the best deal that's on the table is centered around Lester and Crisp, that means Cashman hasn't thrown Hughes on the table yet. Heck, I think a Yankee package of Kennedy/Cabrerra/Tabata(Horne) is better than that.
I think the sox getting him for that is like my dream scenario of the Yankees getting him w/o sacrificing Joba or Hughes, and going with an insane rotation of Santana, Pettitte, Hughes, Wang, Chamberlain. In other words, I doubt it will happen.
As for the above statement, Body88 is right on - Crisp in no Ellsbury. No way. That being said, I don't think Ellsbury has the type of power to be a Beltran. Not to take away the other things he brings to the table since he looks to be a very good player. Ellsbury's just plain fun to watch.
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I could be wrong, but if the best deal that's on the table is centered around Lester and Crisp, that means Cashman hasn't thrown Hughes on the table yet. Heck, I think a Yankee package of Kennedy/Cabrerra/Tabata(Horne) is better than that.
I think the sox getting him for that is like my dream scenario of the Yankees getting him w/o sacrificing Joba or Hughes, and going with an insane rotation of Santana, Pettitte, Hughes, Wang, Chamberlain. In other words, I doubt it will happen.
As for the above statement, Body88 is right on - Crisp in no Ellsbury. No way. That being said, I don't think Ellsbury has the type of power to be a Beltran. Not to take away the other things he brings to the table since he looks to be a very good player. Ellsbury's just plain fun to watch.
Who knows ape. This may be a tactic by the twins to get the yanks to throw in Joba. Thats prob what is going on.
I would be upset if they gave up Ellsbury. I think coco is better suited for a market like Minnesota. Ellsury is a clear upgrade over crisp.
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Who knows ape. This may be a tactic by the twins to get the yanks to throw in Joba. Thats prob what is going on.
I would be upset if they gave up Ellsbury. I think coco is better suited for a market like Minnesota. Ellsury is a clear upgrade over crisp.
lol - actually, your first sentence is entirely what I think it is. I didn't say it because I figured I'd get ransacked. It's the Crisp part that makes me doubt it - he makes too much money for him to be in their plans.
I don't think Theo will give up Ellsbury for anything right now, and I don't blame him. Yes, you should always try to improve your pitching, but he's got a very good young staff right now, and would definitely be downgrading CF if they moved Ellsbury.
Truthfully, I really don't want to lose Hughes. I've been following the guy for two years now, and want to see if he can live up to the hype in a Yankee uniform. On the other hand, it's Johan F'n Santana. Please, just go to the Mets.
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lol - actually, your first sentence is entirely what I think it is. I didn't say it because I figured I'd get ransacked. It's the Crisp part that makes me doubt it - he makes too much money for him to be in their plans.
I don't think Theo will give up Ellsbury for anything right now, and I don't blame him. Yes, you should always try to improve your pitching, but he's got a very good young staff right now, and would definitely be downgrading CF if they moved Ellsbury.
Truthfully, I really don't want to lose Hughes. I've been following the guy for two years now, and want to see if he can live up to the hype in a Yankee uniform. On the other hand, it's Johan F'n Santana. Please, just go to the Mets.
Its a bind for both our teams. Neither of us want to see the other get Santana. I think the yankees need him more , but on the same token the sox cannot let him go to the yanks without being worried. Lets face it the yanks are making the playoffs. What Santana does is give them that one piece they are missing when they get there. We have our youth movements now , figures Santana is a free agent.
I feel like the sox deal is to good to be true. I mean obv im all over that trade if it is true , but I cannot see the yanks letting that go down. Santana on the sox is a giant blow to the Yankees.
On the same token whole not as large a blow to the sox , it is a huge piece for the yankees in the playoffs.
I agree , just go to the mets , haha.
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lol - actually, your first sentence is entirely what I think it is. I didn't say it because I figured I'd get ransacked. It's the Crisp part that makes me doubt it - he makes too much money for him to be in their plans.
I don't think Theo will give up Ellsbury for anything right now, and I don't blame him. Yes, you should always try to improve your pitching, but he's got a very good young staff right now, and would definitely be downgrading CF if they moved Ellsbury.
Truthfully, I really don't want to lose Hughes. I've been following the guy for two years now, and want to see if he can live up to the hype in a Yankee uniform. On the other hand, it's Johan F'n Santana. Please, just go to the Mets.
Its a bind for both our teams. Neither of us want to see the other get Santana. I think the yankees need him more , but on the same token the sox cannot let him go to the yanks without being worried. Lets face it the yanks are making the playoffs. What Santana does is give them that one piece they are missing when they get there. We have our youth movements now , figures Santana is a free agent.
I feel like the sox deal is to good to be true. I mean obv im all over that trade if it is true , but I cannot see the yanks letting that go down. Santana on the sox is a giant blow to the Yankees.
On the same token athough not as large a blow to the sox , it is a huge piece for the yankees in the playoffs. Huge.
I agree , just go to the mets , haha
FWIW, I just heard that sox deal was true. So I could be full of shit.
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FWIW, I just heard that sox deal was true. So I could be full of shit.
The plot thickens. I did not want to comment on the deal until I knew it was for real. Hard for me to see the yanks letting this happen.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3133598
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3133598
I would trade Lester, Crisp and Lowrie for Santana so fast their hats would fly off their heads. If the Sox get him, and keep Ellsbury and Buckholtz they will go on a Yankee like A.L. East run.
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If the redsox can get Santana for the deal specified they will have the best pitching staff in baseball by far. Coupled with the youth movement they will have improved a team that was already the best in the MLB in 07.
If this goes down Minn should ban trades with Boston. First Ortiz, then Moss, Then KG and now MAYBE Santana.
Doubt the yanks let this go down.
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the yanks and more importantly george steinbrenner cant let this go down...becuase with santana our rotation is full of aces....which means damn near impossible to strategize around in lets say a seven game series (ALCS)...so there is no way...dont get me wrong i am die hard sox all the way and i would give up crisp and lester and a young pitcher like masterson for santana but come on....and yourright body if this does happen some sports commisioner somewhere is going to shit down all minnesota deals with boston...
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the yanks and more importantly george steinbrenner cant let this go down...becuase with santana our rotation is full of aces....which means damn near impossible to strategize around in lets say a seven game series (ALCS)...so there is no way...dont get me wrong i am die hard sox all the way and i would give up crisp and lester and a young pitcher like masterson for santana but come on....and yourright body if this does happen some sports commisioner somewhere is going to shit down all minnesota deals with boston...
Think about this. That would give us two Cy Young Candidates throwing from either side of the plate on consecutive nights.
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yea but what about cy young winners?? i mean that is something in and of itself...the one thing i will say negaive about santana is that i did happen to catch maybe 5 or 6 games he pitched in and he was either spectacular or he looked like he belonged in single A ball but he is good and effective and although as i stated i am a crisp fan i would still make moves for the deal....the other aspect niether team can afford to let him go to the other team...so therefore.....i hope he goes to the fuckin braves
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yea but what about cy young winners?? i mean that is something in and of itself...the one thing i will say negaive about santana is that i did happen to catch maybe 5 or 6 games he pitched in and he was either spectacular or he looked like he belonged in single A ball but he is good and effective and although as i stated i am a crisp fan i would still make moves for the deal....the other aspect niether team can afford to let him go to the other team...so therefore.....i hope he goes to the fuckin braves
I agree. Although we dont need him as bad as the Yankees do. It would be a huge blow to let him go there.
To have a big three of Becket , Santana and Dice, with Buckholz Schill and Wakefield as the 4th and fifth starters would be scary. Just a plain old Nasty rotation.
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What about Dan Herren from Oak. He was lights out last year. He will be available. I wonder if Herren is the sox man and they are driving up the price for Santana to force the Yankees to give away half there farm for him?
Hmmmmm.
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What about Dan Herren from Oak. He was lights out last year. He will be available. I wonder if Herren is the sox man and they are driving up the price for Santana to force the Yankees to give away half there farm for him?
Hmmmmm.
Could be the case.
I keep hearing Haren will be available, and I just don't understand why. He's still a few years away from FA, which is EXACTLY the type of player Billy Beane needs to compete with his payroll. Unless he's planning on blowing up his team for two years and starting over.
He's also one of the toughest GMs in baseball, and won't get taken. He'll ask for the moon.
I agree with all the above Santana stuff, Yanks need him more and CANNOT let him go to Boston. I'm still not sure if Boston's serious or not. C'mon Dodgers, get in here and take this guy. Hopefully the rumors that he'll only pitch on the East coast are untrue.
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Could be the case.
I keep hearing Haren will be available, and I just don't understand why. He's still a few years away from FA, which is EXACTLY the type of player Billy Beane needs to compete with his payroll. Unless he's planning on blowing up his team for two years and starting over.
He's also one of the toughest GMs in baseball, and won't get taken. He'll ask for the moon.
I agree with all the above Santana stuff, Yanks need him more and CANNOT let him go to Boston. I'm still not sure if Boston's serious or not. C'mon Dodgers, get in here and take this guy. Hopefully the rumors that he'll only pitch on the East coast are untrue.
Who knows really. I just cant see the Yankees letting him go to Boston for the package Boston is offering. There has to be something more going on here.
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im with you i think duquette is trying to strike shit up for the yanks to bite because he knows that they know they need him more....hes got somethin brewing which is fantastic and exactly what i love about the red sox and their rivlary with yanks
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If the redsox can get Santana for the deal specified they will have the best pitching staff in baseball by far. Coupled with the youth movement they will have improved a team that was already the best in the MLB in 07.
If this goes down Minn should ban trades with Boston. First Ortiz, then Moss, Then KG and now MAYBE Santana.
Doubt the yanks let this go down.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3138088
Twins want Ellsbury.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3138088
Twins want Ellsbury.
True but it is not Ellsbury and Lester. It is one of the two , not both. I don't know about this one. Dan Herron is available also. Not sure if the sox are driving up the price as high as they can so the Yankees have to give up a lot.
Herron would be a tremendous addition to the sox rotation also.
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True but it is not Ellsbury and Lester. It is one of the two , not both. I don't know about this one. Dan Herron is available also. Not sure if the sox are driving up the price as high as they can so the Yankees have to give up a lot.
Herron would be a tremendous addition to the sox rotation also.
Haren's going to cost a lot. Billy Beane is incredibly shrewd.
I agree that we really don't know what's up here. A package of Hughes/Cabrerra still trumps Lester/Ellsbury, due to Hughes' higher upside. Unless, of course, the Twins value Ellsbury much more than we think. I don't think the Yankees can go higher than Hughes/Cabrerra.
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Haren's going to cost a lot. Billy Beane is incredibly shrewd.
I agree that we really don't know what's up here. A package of Hughes/Cabrerra still trumps Lester/Ellsbury, due to Hughes' higher upside. Unless, of course, the Twins value Ellsbury much more than we think. I don't think the Yankees can go higher than Hughes/Cabrerra.
Who knows really. Harren would cost a lot , but I dont think he would cost as much as Santana. The sox said they would not give up both Lester and Ellsbury.
Why does the hughes package trump Lester and Ellsbury? Jocobe and Lester proved themselves in the biggest stage there is. The twins could very well value Ellsbury very high. I would not be shocked , the kid is going to be a star.
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Who knows really. Harren would cost a lot , but I dont think he would cost as much as Santana. The sox said they would not give up both Lester and Ellsbury.
Why does the hughes package trump Lester and Ellsbury? Jocobe and Lester proved themselves in the biggest stage there is. The twins could very well value Ellsbury very high. I would not be shocked , the kid is going to be a star.
I say that because of the projections I've seen of the two players. Yes, right now, Lester has a better MLB track record, but Hughes' projections are to be a #1, whereas Lester doesn't.
It's taking nothing away from Ellsbury, I'm just going by a number one starter being extremely coveted.
ALTHOUGH, the Twins may like Ellsbury beyond just what he brings to the field. He's native American, and Minny has a higher concentration of those than other states, so they may look at it as a fan draw.
Lastest rumors having Santana staying put. Who knows?