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« Reply #125 on: September 16, 2019, 11:19:14 AM »
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/evidence/550-jowenko.html

"It starts from below... They have simply blown away columns."

"This is controlled demolition."

"A team of experts did this."

These startling words, spoken by controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko in 2006, ignited an international discussion over the destruction of WTC Building 7, and added to the professional voices at AE911Truth who have challenged the official explanation. As we mourn Jowenko’s tragic death on July 16, we look back at how his impromptu interview shed light onto one of the greatest mysteries of the 9/11 catastrophe.

Jowenko was the owner of Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie, a controlled demolitions company headquartered in the Netherlands. He had over 30 years of building demolition experience, and his knowledge of explosives was so respected that he was sought as a contributor to the ImplosionWorld production of "A History of Structural Demolition in America".

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« Reply #126 on: September 16, 2019, 11:51:52 AM »
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/evidence/550-jowenko.html

"It starts from below... They have simply blown away columns."

"This is controlled demolition."

"A team of experts did this."

These startling words, spoken by controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko in 2006, ignited an international discussion over the destruction of WTC Building 7, and added to the professional voices at AE911Truth who have challenged the official explanation. As we mourn Jowenko’s tragic death on July 16, we look back at how his impromptu interview shed light onto one of the greatest mysteries of the 9/11 catastrophe.

Jowenko was the owner of Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie, a controlled demolitions company headquartered in the Netherlands. He had over 30 years of building demolition experience, and his knowledge of explosives was so respected that he was sought as a contributor to the ImplosionWorld production of "A History of Structural Demolition in America".

So, you don't think the severe damage and fire had anything to do with the collapse of WTC7?   ???

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« Reply #127 on: September 16, 2019, 12:08:18 PM »
So, you don't think the severe damage and fire had anything to do with the collapse of WTC7?   ???
So you believe that a single bullit turned in mid air after exiting Kennedy and went thru him again?

Maybe you should ask how an commercial airliner that can have serious damage from a flock of birds can penetrate inches thick solid steel beams?
Aluminium and glassfibre wings, sliced trough steel, concrete and thick glass like Qui Gon Jins light sabre.

Billions have seen it on TV. Most of the citizens in the tri state area seem to remember seen it live. How many really did.

Don't really care to argue. It just baffels me that these official explanations are so full of shit

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« Reply #128 on: September 16, 2019, 12:24:40 PM »
So you believe that a single bullit turned in mid air after exiting Kennedy and went thru him again?

Maybe you should ask how an commercial airliner that can have serious damage from a flock of birds can penetrate inches thick solid steel beams?
Aluminium and glassfibre wings, sliced trough steel, concrete and thick glass like Qui Gon Jins light sabre.

Billions have seen it on TV. Most of the citizens in the tri state area seem to remember seen it live. How many really did.

Don't really care to argue. It just baffels me that these official explanations are so full of shit

I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say.   ???

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« Reply #129 on: September 16, 2019, 12:31:17 PM »
So you believe that a single bullit turned in mid air after exiting Kennedy and went thru him again?

Maybe you should ask how an commercial airliner that can have serious damage from a flock of birds can penetrate inches thick solid steel beams?
Aluminium and glassfibre wings, sliced trough steel, concrete and thick glass like Qui Gon Jins light sabre.

Billions have seen it on TV. Most of the citizens in the tri state area seem to remember seen it live. How many really did.

Don't really care to argue. It just baffels me that these official explanations are so full of shit

you obviously havent studied bullet trajectory through a human, they tend to ricochet off bone

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« Reply #130 on: September 16, 2019, 12:44:01 PM »
Stop, just stop. He did not you're full of shit! Go train your grip so you can open a water bottle!

And regarding the big flame after the explosion, there could have been fuel in one of the rooms if a missile hit it. He still has not explained where the large airplane is in the impact video. Neither have you. Show me where the wings are? Why is it so small?

fuels in one of the rooms if a missile hit it?  WHAT?  So now the theory is that fuel was placed in the room or something like that?   Was it a jet plane to fired from the air?   Or from a ship?  What is the theory with that?   

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« Reply #131 on: September 16, 2019, 12:46:36 PM »
Stop, just stop. He did not you're full of shit! Go train your grip so you can open a water bottle!

And regarding the big flame after the explosion, there could have been fuel in one of the rooms if a missile hit it. He still has not explained where the large airplane is in the impact video. Neither have you. Show me where the wings are? Why is it so small?

yes thousands of gallons of jet fuel to keep the radiators warm

Fucking hell mate, seriously...

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« Reply #132 on: September 16, 2019, 06:16:19 PM »
Can someone let me know how a cell phone in 2001 on a plane in the air worked to make a call?

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« Reply #133 on: September 16, 2019, 09:04:14 PM »
Can someone let me know how a cell phone in 2001 on a plane in the air worked to make a call?

The cell phone connects to a tower on the ground, to complete the call. 

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #134 on: September 16, 2019, 09:05:50 PM »
Can someone let me know how a cell phone in 2001 on a plane in the air worked to make a call?

Science.
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« Reply #135 on: September 16, 2019, 11:14:57 PM »
The cell phone connects to a tower on the ground, to complete the call. 

Hope this helps.

Not in 2001 it didn't

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« Reply #136 on: September 17, 2019, 12:38:03 AM »
Can someone let me know how a cell phone in 2001 on a plane in the air worked to make a call?
can someone tell me how they talked to a man in the moon in 1969?

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« Reply #137 on: September 17, 2019, 01:03:26 AM »
can someone tell me how they talked to a man in the moon in 1969?


Today sexy Chinese girl (she study mechanical engineering) told me that China landed on the moon , many many times ......... ::)

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« Reply #138 on: September 17, 2019, 06:33:18 AM »
Not in 2001 it didn't

Yes, they did.

Final Contact
Nov 1, 2001 12:00 PM, By Betsy Harter


Will rules change concerning wireless calls on planes?

Early Sept. 11, airline passengers all over the country boarded their flights like any other day. Many chatted on their wireless phones. As the doors closed and the pilots prepared the planes for take-off, flight attendants asked passengers to turn off their wireless phones until the planes had landed at their destinations.

But on four flights, these phones would offer the last contact passengers would have with their loved ones. They would be using their wireless phones to say goodbye.

Later that morning, thousands of stunned people working at or near the World Trade Center's twin towers in New York City also reached for their wireless phones to call family and friends after the two buildings had been attacked by commercial airplanes. The fortunate ones were able to reassure loved ones that they had made it out of the buildings safely. The others made their last calls.

The use of wireless phones during the attacks already has caused some unexpected changes. AT&T; Wireless, Nextel and Verizon Wireless all reported increases in wireless-handset sales immediately following the attacks, perhaps due to heightened safety concerns. But will the importance of wireless phones during this tragedy spur other changes as well?

CALLING FROM 30,000 FEET
Because wireless networks are designed for terrestrial use, the fact that so many people were able to call from the sky brings into question how the phones worked from such altitudes.

Alexa Graf, AT&T; spokesperson, said systems are not designed for calls from high altitudes, suggesting it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.

“On land, we have antenna sectors that point in three directions — say north, southwest, and southeast,” she explained. “Those signals are radiating across the land, and those signals do go up, too, due to leakage.”

From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude, she added.

Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that RF signals actually can broadcast fairly high. On Sept. 11, the planes were flying low when people started using their phones. And, each call lasted 60 seconds or less.

“They also were digital phones, and there's a little bit more leeway on those digital phones, so it worked,” she said.

It helped that the planes were flying in areas with plenty of cell sites, too. Even United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in rural Pennsylvania, was supported by several nearby cell sites, Raney added.

Despite the numerous calls from wireless phones, it was the hijackers — not interference with the airplane's operating system — that brought the four planes down. Many in the wireless industry question whether wireless devices cause problems on board aircraft after all.

“With air travel, you want to take every precaution you can, but my understanding is that not calling from planes is a bit of a precaution,” Graf said.

Keith Nowak, Nokia media relations manager, agreed.

“In reality, a cell phone could cause a warning light not to work, but it wouldn't be anything serious. There's the potential to cause some effects, but it's generally a preventative measure.”

CHANGE UNLIKELY
Following the attacks, Northjersey.com reported that the FAA is rethinking the ban on cell phones while flying. However, it looks as though any change is unlikely.

“Practically the entire spectrum of options for improving safety and security are being looked at in the wake of the Sept. 11 incidents, but I can't speculate on whether or not one would be to authorize the use of cell phones in an emergency, especially because there's evidence that cell phones can interfere with critical systems,” said Les Dorr, FAA spokesperson.

Dorr emphasized that the rules prohibiting wireless-phone use while flying is not actually an FAA prohibition, but an FCC restriction. The FAA supports that restriction because it's possible that wireless phones could pose a source of interference to critical aircraft systems.

“FAA regulations prohibit any device that is an intentional emitter of radiation, which a cell phone obviously is,” he added.

According to an advisory on the FAA Web site, the FCC currently prohibits the use and operation of wireless phones while airborne. Its primary concern is that a wireless phone, while used airborne, would have a much greater transmitting range than a land mobile unit.

“This could result in serious interference to transmissions at other cell locations since the system uses the same frequency several times within a market,” according to the advisory. Because a cellular mobile telephone is capable of operating on all assignable cellular frequencies, serious interference also may occur to cellular systems in adjacent markets.

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« Reply #139 on: September 17, 2019, 09:54:42 AM »
Then again.
The magic bullet was declared as an official theory in JFK shooting.

I don't try to say I know what happened but:

There is no airliner in that official Pentagon video.
And come on. Aluminium wings just evaporated? 8t steel engines didn't break the walls?

There is no airliner crashed in to the Pennsylvanian field.
At least at the site that they show us on TV and videos. What happened, did it just sunk in to the ground? Did it leave a similar hole that we see in Discover channels Gold Rush?
Fuck, An airliner didn't even sink in to a Hudson river, but here it just wanished in to the soil?

No western building ever would caught fire from floating debris and crumble.
Maybe if it was Japanese with paper walls or maaayyyybe, if it was made of wood. It wasn't.


Then again, there is perfectly logical explanation for the magic bullet, which is magic only for ignorant morons. https://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2009/01/kennedy-assassination-magic-bullet-theory-versus-single-bullet-fact.html

There is no airliner in Pennsylvanian field, say denialistic moron, while it is proved hundreds of times that there was. "Never seen that before"..just google pictures of the flight PSA 1771, and you find similar dent on the field, with lot of tiny bits of aluminium.

Your arguments are so stupid, because they are all based on single thing: denial of reality. There is tons of evidence which prove that official report was 100% correct. There is no evidence what so ever that there would have been any kind of conspiracy. 18 years and 0 evidence about conspiracy, other than plot of BinLaden & Ragheads. Think about that for while. How it is possible, that there is 0 evidence about the conspiracy, just lies, claims and bs? Not even simplest question answered, like where exactly we see those explosions in twin towers? 18 years, and no one have been able to present that moment from any of the videos. How this is possible? Only if there wasn't any, and what that will mean to the rest of the theory? No explosions = whole theory is just crap.  

For example, those aluminium wings, what the hell did happen to those? You mean these aluminium foil like wings, with tanks filled with kerosene? What do you think? What would happen, if you shot aluminium soda can to the concrete with that same speed, something like 250 meters per second? a. there is dent on the wall, and unbroken soda can, b. there is no dent on the wall, but small dent on the soda can, or c. there is wet spot on the wall,  and smithereens of the soda can on the ground. It is so simple. Wings, filled with kerosene, hit to the wall at 250 meters per second, so what happens? Kerosene is liquid, and you can't press liquid, it doesn't shrink under pressure. So the volume of the liquid doesn't change, while volume of the wing changes very rapidly. What happen? Just like soda can, those wings goes to the smithereens in microseconds. If you have even the basic knowledge of five year old about physics, you would know this. You guys are wondering bits and pieces, but you don't see the picture which is made from them? You try to see pieces of wings on the front yard of the pentagon, but you don't see that there is no furnitures, no archive cabinets, no copy machines etc. on the yard, as there would be if something would have explode inside the building.  

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« Reply #140 on: September 17, 2019, 10:08:00 AM »
I just wish mark wahlberg was on one of those planes, would have saved 1 tower atleast

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« Reply #141 on: September 17, 2019, 11:42:55 AM »
Then again, there is perfectly logical explanation for the magic bullet, which is magic only for ignorant morons. https://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2009/01/kennedy-assassination-magic-bullet-theory-versus-single-bullet-fact.html

There is no airliner in Pennsylvanian field, say denialistic moron, while it is proved hundreds of times that there was. "Never seen that before"..just google pictures of the flight PSA 1771, and you find similar dent on the field, with lot of tiny bits of aluminium.

Your arguments are so stupid, because they are all based on single thing: denial of reality. There is tons of evidence which prove that official report was 100% correct. There is no evidence what so ever that there would have been any kind of conspiracy. 18 years and 0 evidence about conspiracy, other than plot of BinLaden & Ragheads. Think about that for while. How it is possible, that there is 0 evidence about the conspiracy, just lies, claims and bs? Not even simplest question answered, like where exactly we see those explosions in twin towers? 18 years, and no one have been able to present that moment from any of the videos. How this is possible? Only if there wasn't any, and what that will mean to the rest of the theory? No explosions = whole theory is just crap.  

For example, those aluminium wings, what the hell did happen to those? You mean these aluminium foil like wings, with tanks filled with kerosene? What do you think? What would happen, if you shot aluminium soda can to the concrete with that same speed, something like 250 meters per second? a. there is dent on the wall, and unbroken soda can, b. there is no dent on the wall, but small dent on the soda can, or c. there is wet spot on the wall,  and smithereens of the soda can on the ground. It is so simple. Wings, filled with kerosene, hit to the wall at 250 meters per second, so what happens? Kerosene is liquid, and you can't press liquid, it doesn't shrink under pressure. So the volume of the liquid doesn't change, while volume of the wing changes very rapidly. What happen? Just like soda can, those wings goes to the smithereens in microseconds. If you have even the basic knowledge of five year old about physics, you would know this. You guys are wondering bits and pieces, but you don't see the picture which is made from them? You try to see pieces of wings on the front yard of the pentagon, but you don't see that there is no furnitures, no archive cabinets, no copy machines etc. on the yard, as there would be if something would have explode inside the building.  

Rational peoples evidence = The Official report
Conspiracy theorists evidence = "Something doesnt look right"

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« Reply #142 on: September 17, 2019, 12:47:19 PM »
Just like soda can, those wings goes to the smithereens in microseconds. If you have even the basic knowledge of five year old about physics, you would know this.
Those wing cut through WTCs outer wall of steel, concrete and reinforced glass quite handily though?

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« Reply #143 on: September 17, 2019, 03:00:09 PM »
So, you don't think the severe damage and fire had anything to do with the collapse of WTC7?   ???
No I don't. I am sure it had some damage, but not enough to make it collapse the way it did.

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« Reply #144 on: September 17, 2019, 03:08:14 PM »
fuels in one of the rooms if a missile hit it?  WHAT?  So now the theory is that fuel was placed in the room or something like that?   Was it a jet plane to fired from the air?   Or from a ship?  What is the theory with that?    

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2018/03/media-business-middleman-was-shown.html

Larry Garrison, a leading "story broker" whose job is to deliver tabloid stories to television news programs, was sent a video in the months after 9/11, which clearly showed that the Pentagon was hit by something much smaller than a commercial airliner--perhaps a missile--on September 11, 2001. However, when he passed copies of this video on to news organizations, they refused to broadcast the footage and instead sternly warned him to cease trying to get it released.

While a few videos showing the attack on the Pentagon have been released in the years since Garrison received this footage, they appear to be different to what Garrison was sent. Furthermore, none of them have been of sufficient quality to determine conclusively what hit the Pentagon on September 11. The type of aircraft involved in the attack has therefore remained a subject of controversy.

If Garrison's account is accurate, though, and the video Garrison was sent was authentic, the implications could be huge. If the Pentagon was hit by something other than a Boeing 757--the kind of aircraft that, according to the official narrative of 9/11, crashed into it--this video could reveal that the public has been seriously deceived. And if the footage was made public, its release could lead to a complete reassessment of the 9/11 attacks.

'STORY BROKER' WAS TOLD ABOUT A VIDEO THAT SHOWED A MISSILE FLYING INTO THE PENTAGON
Larry Garrison, president of SilverCreek Entertainment in Los Angeles, is what is known as a "story broker." Story brokers "place themselves as middlemen between the supply of human drama and the demand for it--so news organizations have to do business with them," according to the New York Observer. [6] Garrison "gets paid to bring tabloid stories to TV news programs," The Atlantic reported. [7]

He is the "king" of his line of work, according to numerous sources at the ABC network. [8] He has decades of experience in the media business, and has produced and brokered major news stories for ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, NBC News, and other major media organizations. [9]

In his memoir, The NewsBreaker, Garrison recalled that a few months after 9/11, he received a curious e-mail from someone who referred to himself by the pseudonym "Carl." Garrison was initially suspicious about Carl, assuming he was just a hoaxer trying to cash in on the tragic events of September 11. However, Garrison wrote, "when he told me he had a video of a missile flying into the Pentagon, not a passenger jet, I listened." Carl stated that he would like to meet Garrison and show him the video. He added, however, that "the FBI was trying to stop him from showing it to anyone."

Although Carl's claim was extraordinary, Garrison felt this man was trustworthy. "For the most part, my 20-plus years of experience helps me weed out the fakes; this guy sounded real," he has commented. He apparently talked with Carl on the phone after receiving the e-mail and "could feel the sense of urgency in his voice, and the sincerity." [10]

After researching the attack on the Pentagon and noting various anomalies that had been highlighted by commentators on the Internet, Garrison wanted to get hold of the video that Carl said he possessed. Although he was unable to persuade Carl to meet up in person, Carl did e-mail him a copy of the video. It turned out to be devastating.

Although the footage was less clear than the story broker would have liked, Garrison recalled, "it left no doubt whatsoever that what hit the Pentagon on 9/11 wasn't a 757." While the quality of the image made it impossible to determine for sure what crashed into the Pentagon, the object in the video "looked like a smaller plane or [a] cruise missile."

Upon consideration, Garrison decided it was more likely a missile, since he felt there had been greater damage to the reinforced walls of the Pentagon than a small plane could have caused. He concluded: "When I look at some of the news archives and compare the damage to the Pentagon to other concrete buildings that have been hit with a cruise missile, I have no doubt in my mind that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11." [11]

NEWS ORGANIZATIONS REFUSED TO BROADCAST THE FOOTAGE
Garrison initially felt certain that once he passed on this astonishing video to the news networks, what it showed would become a major story and the "media machine" would then "mobilize all of its resources to discover, or uncover, what really happened." He soon found that his assumption was wrong.

After receiving the video from Carl, he contacted a couple of major news organizations. When he explained to them what he had, the people he talked to replied enthusiastically: "Oh, my God! Get that tape over here right away!"

He sent them copies of the video and then waited for a couple of days, expecting to see the footage appearing and being discussed on the news. Instead, however, the people at the news organizations called him back and warned him to abandon his efforts to get the video released to the public. He was told: "Larry, you need to listen to me on this. The video never existed. You never saw it. This could cause some real trouble if you pursue it any further." [12]

Garrison had initially been determined to help the public understand what had happened on September 11. On the day of the terrorist attacks, he recalled, "The one thing I did know was that I would find answers sooner than most and I felt obligated to make sure that [the public] knew everything I knew." [13] But what he was now being told and the manner in which it was said led him to have a change of heart.

"I remember hanging up the phone knowing that I could be putting my family and myself at risk if I tried to push the issue, and I knew there was no way to protect myself," he wrote. Therefore, he added, "I backed off." [14]

757 PILOT SAID THERE WAS 'ZERO' CHANCE OF A NOVICE CARRYING OUT THE PENTAGON ATTACK
A few weeks before he received the e-mail from Carl, a man had phoned him and claimed that "he had evidence that it was impossible for the damage at the Pentagon to be caused by a passenger jet, because it was impossible for a plane of that size to fly at an altitude that low, at that speed."

A few days later, Garrison questioned one of the pilots of a 757 he was about to board for a business trip. Garrison asked the pilot, who said he had accumulated thousands of hours of flying time in his career, "if he had the skill to fly a 757 10 to 20 feet off the ground at a speed of over 500 miles an hour," meaning in the way that Flight 77 was allegedly flown toward the Pentagon. "Chuck Yeager couldn't do that!" the pilot replied. (Chuck Yeager was a flying ace and test pilot who became the first man to fly faster than the speed of sound.)

The pilot explained that planes the size of a passenger jet "do not react in an instant" and "the control inputs take longer to change the plane's altitude." The large surface areas and the weight of the plane "would make it impossible to have the degree of control you would have to have to fly at that altitude without crashing into the ground," he said. "I really don't think it would be possible," he concluded.

Garrison then asked the pilot what he thought the chances were of a novice with very limited training--i.e. someone like Hanjour--being able to hit a target with pinpoint accuracy. "Zero," the pilot replied. He added that a passenger jet's autopilot "isn't even that good and, if it were on, it would not allow the plane to fly at a low altitude, let alone treetop level." [26]


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Re: We Will Never Forget 9.11.01
« Reply #146 on: September 17, 2019, 03:16:14 PM »

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« Reply #147 on: September 17, 2019, 03:16:20 PM »
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757 PILOT SAID THERE WAS 'ZERO' CHANCE OF A NOVICE CARRYING OUT THE PENTAGON ATTACK
A few weeks before he received the e-mail from Carl, a man had phoned him and claimed that "he had evidence that it was impossible for the damage at the Pentagon to be caused by a passenger jet, because it was impossible for a plane of that size to fly at an altitude that low, at that speed."

A few days later, Garrison questioned one of the pilots of a 757 he was about to board for a business trip. Garrison asked the pilot, who said he had accumulated thousands of hours of flying time in his career, "if he had the skill to fly a 757 10 to 20 feet off the ground at a speed of over 500 miles an hour," meaning in the way that Flight 77 was allegedly flown toward the Pentagon. "Chuck Yeager couldn't do that!" the pilot replied. (Chuck Yeager was a flying ace and test pilot who became the first man to fly faster than the speed of sound.)

The pilot explained that planes the size of a passenger jet "do not react in an instant" and "the control inputs take longer to change the plane's altitude." The large surface areas and the weight of the plane "would make it impossible to have the degree of control you would have to have to fly at that altitude without crashing into the ground," he said. "I really don't think it would be possible," he concluded.

Garrison then asked the pilot what he thought the chances were of a novice with very limited training--i.e. someone like Hanjour--being able to hit a target with pinpoint accuracy. "Zero," the pilot replied. He added that a passenger jet's autopilot "isn't even that good and, if it were on, it would not allow the plane to fly at a low altitude, let alone treetop level." [26]

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« Reply #148 on: September 17, 2019, 03:18:12 PM »
https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/the-pentagon-on-911-a-cruise-missile-struck-the-building.14045/

OTHER AIRCRAFT NEAR THE PENTAGON

Furthermore, there were at least two other military aircraft near the Pentagon at the time it was hit. A C-130 cargo plane that took off from Andrews Air Force Base, which is 10 miles from the Pentagon, was airborne by 9:33 a.m., and was seen by numerous witnesses above the Pentagon just after the attack there. [5] Its pilot reportedly witnessed the explosion from the Pentagon crash. [6]

And television news reporters described a "white jet" plane that was "circling the White House" a few minutes after the Pentagon was hit. [7] The White House is about three miles from the Pentagon, two government sources familiar with the incident later told CNN that the plane was a military aircraft, but its details were classified.

An analysis by CNN suggested the aircraft was an E-4B, which is a militarized version of a Boeing 747 that is used as a flying command post. [8] One such aircraft is known to have taken off from an airfield outside Washington, DC, shortly before the Pentagon was hit. [9]

Considering the historical significance of the 9/11 attacks, which have had devastating consequences that affect us to this day, it is essential that important details surrounding those attacks be thoroughly investigated. We therefore need to know exactly what the two aircraft--Bobcat 14 and Bobcat 17--were, and why they were flying above the Pentagon around the time it was attacked on September 11.

NOTES

[1] "Partial Transcript; Aircraft Accident; AAL77; Washington, DC; September 11, 2001." Federal Aviation Administration, September 20, 2001.

[2] 9/11 Commission, The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Authorized Edition). New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, p. 10.

[3] "Memorandum for the Record: Visit to Reagan National Airport Control Tower in Alexandria, VA and Andrews Air Force Base Control Tower." 9/11 Commission, July 28, 2003.

[4] Ibid.

[5] "AA 77 Radar-Based Timeline and Maps." 9/11 Commission, n.d.; "9:37 a.m. September 11, 2001: Witnesses See Military Cargo Plane Near Flight 77; Pilot Later Implies he is Far Away." Complete 9/11 Timeline.

[6] "The Secret History of 9/11: The U.S. Government Reacts." CBC, September 10, 2006.

[7] "Planes Crash Into World Trade Center." ABC News, September 11, 2001; "The White House Has Been Evacuated." Breaking News, CNN, September 11, 2001.

[8] "Tropical Storm Humberto Heads for Texas; Democrats Blast Petraeus Timeline for Troop Withdrawal; Interview With General David Petraeus." Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees, CNN, September 12, 2007.

[9] Dan Verton, Black Ice: The Invisible Threat of Cyber-Terrorism. Emeryville, CA: McGraw-Hill/Osborne, 2003, pp. 143-144. According to former 9/11 Commission staff member Miles Kara, this E-4B aircraft took off from Andrews Air Force Base and was airborne at 9:27 a.m. See Miles Kara, "9/11: The Mystery Plane; Not so Mysterious." 9/11 Revisited, June 30, 2009.

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Re: We Will Never Forget 9.11.01
« Reply #149 on: September 17, 2019, 03:21:07 PM »
This discussion is almost pointless.

Watched yesterday on Netflix the doc on Freeway Rick Ross.

Again, reliable sources saying the crackcocaine in the 80s, on South Central  Los Angeles were 'sort' of a scheme so the Reagan could send some of the money to the 'Contras' in Nicaragua in the mid 80s to fight communism over there.

I dont trust governments at all, so to each its own..