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Title: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2015, 04:07:59 PM
Caught up with at lunch. Killary is getting her ass handed to her. How many times do you think she's contradicted herself and changed her story?

This is brutal. To her credit she's smiling all through it. A sign she gives no fucks.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 22, 2015, 06:49:49 PM
gowdy was the one sweating and yelling.  hilary was smiling and composed.

in the end, their 8th benghazi investigation probably won't stop her from being president.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2015, 07:33:08 PM
gowdy was the one sweating and yelling.  hilary was smiling and composed.

in the end, their 8th benghazi investigation probably won't stop her from being president.

Probably because he restraining from punching in her lying face.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
He's dead on.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/krauthammer_were_living_in_an_age_where_what_you_say_and_its_relation_with_the_facts_is_completely_irrelevant.html
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 22, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Damn, it must suck badly not to get the results you want.  After 8 hearings on the exact same thing.

Hillary = VINDICATED.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 22, 2015, 08:26:59 PM
I was in an all day tire flipping seminar

can someone update me on the new info revealed today?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
I was in an all day tire flipping seminar

can someone update me on the new info revealed today?

Translation: my cable got cut off because my welfare check was late.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 22, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
Translation: my cable got cut off because my welfare check was late.

nope

my cable is just fine

please update me on the new info you/we learned today
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 22, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
nope

my cable is just fine

please update me on the new info you/we learned today


We learned that Bengazi is simply Republicanese for "we don't have anyone to beat Hillary in 2016"
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 22, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
y
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 22, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
y

"Think Progress" and "Democratic Underground" could you be more of a lib minion?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 22, 2015, 10:43:34 PM
So the facts there are wrong?  Is that what you are saying?  Or are you just reassuring all of us that you are going to whine and cry like you usually do no matter what?  Which is it?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 22, 2015, 11:48:33 PM
"Think Progress" and "Democratic Underground" could you be more of a lib minion?

Calling me names is escalation.  I don't call you names. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 22, 2015, 11:50:52 PM
Repubs usually celebrate any kind of win.  There isn't much to celebrate today. Refusal to release hearing transcript- that was bad.   We will talk about that in a few weeks. 

Imo, Obama ordered a stand down. Repubs haven't proven it though.  They have failed.  Now it's just shit on Hilary time. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 22, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
"Think Progress" and "Democratic Underground" could you be more of a lib minion?

The numbers on that graphic are accurate. 

8 investigations on Benghazi, that's insane. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 23, 2015, 05:30:39 AM
Caught up with at lunch. Killary is getting her ass handed to her. How many times do you think she's contradicted herself and changed her story?

This is brutal. To her credit she's smiling all through it. A sign she gives no fucks.

Ya they are owning her with all the facts and shit and stuff.....


There is literally nothing there, it's almost hilarious how hard they are trying, wasting tax payer money for political gain. Hopefully they have a few more investigations.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2015, 05:39:22 AM
HAHAHAHA.  Another GOP failure for the morons to whine about and try to convince themselves it was a victory. 

I said convince "themselves" because no one else believes their little delusions.  But hey....  maybe you can get her on the 12th try.  Or 23rd.  Or 42nd. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 23, 2015, 05:52:41 AM
HAHAHAHA.  Another GOP failure for the morons to whine about and try to convince themselves it was a victory. 

I said convince "themselves" because no one else believes their little delusions.  But hey....  maybe you can get her on the 12th try.  Or 23rd.  Or 42nd. 

It's painful to watch, it's like they are children. They are literally making up shit and rehashing it over and over and over. Where was she before the attacks? huh what?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 07:09:35 AM
What did they make up Doc...come on tell us
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 07:30:22 AM
To much here has been wrapped up with the emails....the point of the hearings was to find out who was responsible for the security lapse. Hil said she did not know that security was requested over 600 times nor did much of that get to her levele as she left that to her underlings. Yet none of those underlings were fired...not one. What exactly were they doing there? Why was such a small DOS team covering him? Why was there no QRF available...

On that point, stand down no stand down. I have yet to hear a clear answer that I believe because of a ton of other shit thats come out about the availability of assets. It was a long fire fight. If you look at the actual combat, the security team was smoking the shit out of the rags until the overwatch got hit by a lucky mortar. I kinda wonder what would have happened if they had survived along with Stevens, how would this have been played out in the media.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
It's painful to watch, it's like they are children. They are literally making up shit and rehashing it over and over and over. Where was she before the attacks? huh what?

She was helping dig the tunnel that El Chapo used to escape obviously.  Heck, not like she could get a cell signal down there. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: chadstallion on October 23, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Damn, it must suck badly not to get the results you want.  After 8 hearings on the exact same thing.

Hillary = VINDICATED.
if the hearing lasted any longer someone would have blamed her for the people lost on Gilligan's Island
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: whork on October 23, 2015, 01:10:51 PM
He's dead on.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/krauthammer_were_living_in_an_age_where_what_you_say_and_its_relation_with_the_facts_is_completely_irrelevant.html


Krauthammer is talking about you Coach.

I had no idea you were so well known.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: whork on October 23, 2015, 01:16:39 PM
So the facts there are wrong?  Is that what you are saying?  Or are you just reassuring all of us that you are going to whine and cry like you usually do no matter what?  Which is it?

Facts are liberal talking points. Things like science and logic also belongs in that category.

That shit doesnt fly with Coach. I bet you wondered how a man like Coach could be this stupid ( i know i did), looking at it through this prism, it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 23, 2015, 02:02:11 PM
To much here has been wrapped up with the emails....the point of the hearings was to find out who was responsible for the security lapse. Hil said she did not know that security was requested over 600 times nor did much of that get to her levele as she left that to her underlings. Yet none of those underlings were fired...not one. What exactly were they doing there? Why was such a small DOS team covering him? Why was there no QRF available...

On that point, stand down no stand down. I have yet to hear a clear answer that I believe because of a ton of other shit thats come out about the availability of assets. It was a long fire fight. If you look at the actual combat, the security team was smoking the shit out of the rags until the overwatch got hit by a lucky mortar. I kinda wonder what would have happened if they had survived along with Stevens, how would this have been played out in the media.

Jesus, maybe you missed the eight previous hearings? military officials have even cleared all this up, several fucking times. This is the issue, you are just running around in circles.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
Military Officials.....really the knee padders that Obama has placed in the Pentagon that have gone along with every ridiculous social engineering project he's had. How come guys like Mattis and McRaven are out along with a host of guys like Carter Ham....retired a bit early hmm. The dick sucking that occurs past the 2 star level is beyond belief. Once you get there its all popularity with the douchbags in the Whitehouse  calling the shots. Anytime you guys venture into anything remotely military or hell even historical you prove how fucking idiotic you all are.

The hearings revealed that she told her friggen daughter it was an AQ attack...a week later she told the mother of one of the guys it was a video...WTF. How about blame the bad guys and move the fuck on....nope its never the Islamic shitbags fault ever.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 23, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
Military Officials.....really the knee padders that Obama has placed in the Pentagon that have gone along with every ridiculous social engineering project he's had. How come guys like Mattis and McRaven are out along with a host of guys like Carter Ham....retired a bit early hmm. The dick sucking that occurs past the 2 star level is beyond belief. Once you get there its all popularity with the douchbags in the Whitehouse  calling the shots. Anytime you guys venture into anything remotely military or hell even historical you prove how fucking idiotic you all are.

The hearings revealed that she told her friggen daughter it was an AQ attack...a week later she told the mother of one of the guys it was a video...WTF. How about blame the bad guys and move the fuck on....nope its never the Islamic shitbags fault ever.

so 4.5 million of tax payer dollars for her to say what has already been said many times already by her and others?

this is your big smoking gun issue?







Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
Nope we know she blamed AQ right away....not a video and then lied to the parents
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Dos Equis on October 23, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Nope we know she blamed AQ right away....not a video and then lied to the parents

and the rest of the country. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 23, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Nope we know she blamed AQ right away....not a video and then lied to the parents

and?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 03:38:09 PM
OK so here we have it folks....libs don't care if their presidents or sec states or what the fuck ever lie....damm the country...as long as we get power fuck you. You fuckers all need to go....
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 23, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
OK so here we have it folks....libs don't care if their presidents or sec states or what the fuck ever lie....damm the country...as long as we get power fuck you. You fuckers all need to go....

still waiting for you to explain why that matters and why I'm supposed to be outraged about that

so she told her daughter something (that she presumably believed) and then later told other people something else...again that she presumably believed at that time

so the fuck what?

just break it down for me so that I can join you in your anger
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: OzmO on October 23, 2015, 03:48:48 PM
Do you people really think anything is going to happen to Hillary?

What are they finding that didn't have a couple years ago?

Have the 28% or so republicans who didn't even know what country Bengazi was in or where it was in the world a couple of years finally got some free cell phones from Obama with wifi and googled it yet?

I'd love to see the bitch fry, but is this another burning birth certificate to get all the ignorant redneck riled up?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
That's called a lie as in she knew the truth and then told not somebody douchbag..not a reporter...the parents of one of the dead, that a video was responsible. That's a lie. I know the truth and Hilary have never crossed much. But we'll move on...oh wait there's still that FBI investigation.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Dos Equis on October 23, 2015, 03:51:06 PM
Do you people really think anything is going to happen to Hillary?

What are they finding that didn't have a couple years ago?

Have the 28% or so republicans who didn't even know what country Bengazi was in or where it was in the world a couple of years finally got some free cell phones from Obama with wifi and googled it yet?

I'd love to see the bitch fry, but is this another burning birth certificate to get all the ignorant redneck riled up?

Nothing is going to happen about her dishonesty regarding Benghazi. 

She might be indicted over the email scandal. 

She is still our likely next president, which is pretty sad. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: OzmO on October 23, 2015, 03:53:09 PM
Nothing is going to happen about her dishonesty regarding Benghazi. 

She might be indicted over the email scandal. 

She is still our likely next president, which is pretty sad. 

Yet there are likely conservatives going to church praying for here demise lol
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Dos Equis on October 23, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
Yet there are likely conservatives going to church praying for here demise lol

I guess anything is possible.   :)  I certainly hope she isn't elected, but I'm already preparing myself for a Clinton v. Bush election, where I vote for none of the above. 
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 23, 2015, 04:15:25 PM
That's called a lie as in she knew the truth and then told not somebody douchbag..not a reporter...the parents of one of the dead, that a video was responsible. That's a lie. I know the truth and Hilary have never crossed much. But we'll move on...oh wait there's still that FBI investigation.

no it's not a lie unless she knew it was false

if she thought it was AQ on the day it happened and later was getting intel saying it was something else then it's not a lie

also, governments have no obligation to tell the truth about everything to everyone all the time or at any given time. 
if they had some strategic reason to call it something else then so be it.  Governments do that all the time.  You may not like it but it's not a crime

and again, what the fuck does it matter??

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: headhuntersix on October 23, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
I love it...defending the indefensible because she is a lib. It was a lie....they knew it was AQ from the get go...the fucking fire fight lasted 8 hours guy...8 fucking hours. They knew who was attacking them. The story changed to protect their ass. Oh hey it wasn't those guys who having been trying to kill us for 20 years..nope it was a Coptic Christian on youtube and a movie. I suspect given the state of Libya at the time, nobody had a lot of time for youtube video's.

As for why it matters....that sums up your cowardly and un-American world view. You people are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Leatherneck on October 23, 2015, 06:53:05 PM
An 8 hour firefight is a hell of a fight to put up. They deserved for this to have been badly better.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 23, 2015, 07:01:08 PM
I love it...defending the indefensible because she is a lib. It was a lie....they knew it was AQ from the get go...the fucking fire fight lasted 8 hours guy...8 fucking hours. They knew who was attacking them. The story changed to protect their ass. Oh hey it wasn't those guys who having been trying to kill us for 20 years..nope it was a Coptic Christian on youtube and a movie. I suspect given the state of Libya at the time, nobody had a lot of time for youtube video's.

As for why it matters....that sums up your cowardly and un-American world view. You people are a disgrace.

WTF are you talking about.  Hilary is hardly a "lib" and I'm not much of a fan of hers to begin with.
Like many far right wingers you seem to have this pre-fabricated rage that you need to apply to something or someone no matter how absurd.   Changing explanations on the reason for the attack doesn't change anything about the event.  Your fellow Repubs have turned over every stone looking for something to hang their hat on and all they've got left is she said one thing and then said something else and then something different yet again.  It doesn't change the event or "protect" her in any way. 

You yourself wrote "How about blame the bad guys and move the fuck on"

I have feeling if she had blamed your preferred "bad guys" from the beginning you'd still be just a pissed right now.

Your anger and hatred pre-exists the event and will continue and be applied to many others long after this is forgotten
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Las Vegas on October 23, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
WTF are you talking about.  Hilary is hardly a "lib" and I'm not much of a fan of hers to begin with.
Like many far right wingers you seem to have this pre-fabricated rage that you need to apply to something or someone no matter how absurd.   Changing explanations on the reason for the attack doesn't change anything about the event.  Your fellow Repubs have turned over every stone looking for something to hang their hat on and all they've got left is she said one thing and then said something else and then something different yet again.  It doesn't change the event or "protect" her in any way. 

You yourself wrote "How about blame the bad guys and move the fuck on"

I have feeling if she had blamed your preferred "bad guys" from the beginning you'd still be just a pissed right now.

Your anger and hatred pre-exists the event and will continue and be applied to many others long after this is forgotten

So true.  Very few "libs" anywhere in major politics, and Hillary is NOT one of them.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
Nope we know she blamed AQ right away....not a video and then lied to the parents

Like Bush blamed Iraq?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2015, 07:20:03 PM
Three things we learned at this hearing :

1 - Repubs can't handle reality even on the 8th serving.
2 - Gowdy is a pussy ass bitch.
3 - Cummings has a strong pimp hand.

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 23, 2015, 08:04:05 PM
Three things we learned at this hearing :

1 - Repubs can't handle reality even on the 8th serving.
2 - Gowdy is a pussy ass bitch.
3 - Cummings has a strong pimp hand.



Can you clarify what you think to be reality?  Are you saying she has clean hands in this and exercised no deceit, or are you saying this trial was a waste of time and should have never taken place even if she was guilty?

If it's the 2nd, I'll agree with you.  I think this was a matter of complete incompetence at one's job.  I don't really think the video accusation matters whether it was a lie or not.  I do think she lied, as I think they knew it wasn't about a video before they said it.  All the same, I don't think this nonsense should have wasted tax dollars.

On the other hand, if you are saying that she told the truth and didn't deceive anyone, you are stupider than I thought
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 23, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Can you clarify what you think to be reality?  Are you saying she has clean hands in this and exercised no deceit, or are you saying this trial was a waste of time and should have never taken place even if she was guilty?

If it's the 2nd, I'll agree with you.  I think this was a matter of complete incompetence at one's job.  I don't really think the video accusation matters whether it was a lie or not.  I do think she lied, as I think they knew it wasn't about a video before they said it.  All the same, I don't think this nonsense should have wasted tax dollars.

On the other hand, if you are saying that she told the truth and didn't deceive anyone, you are stupider than I thought

Reality = 8 hearings and no smoking gun.  But holding out hope for a different outcome for the 9th hearing.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 23, 2015, 08:17:45 PM
Reality = 8 hearings and no smoking gun.  But holding out hope for a different outcome for the 9th hearing.

Don't really care about a smoking gun.  Either you are illiterate or you dodged the question i asked entirely.  I simply asked if you think she is guilty of anything: deceit, lies, etc.  As i stated i think the whole thing was a waste.  I don't know why they blamed a video, but it doesn't really affect the outcome.  People died due to gross negligence and incompetence.  Neither of those offenses are punishable.  

I just want to know if you think she was being less than truthful or a liar, whatever you wanna call it?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 23, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
Don't really care about a smoking gun.  Either you are illiterate or you dodged the question i asked entirely.  I simply asked if you think she is guilty of anything: deceit, lies, etc.  As i stated i think the whole thing was a waste.  I don't know why they blamed a video, but it doesn't really affect the outcome.  People died due to gross negligence and incompetence.  Neither of those offenses are punishable.  

I just want to know if you think she was being less than truthful or a liar, whatever you wanna call it?

Actually I think gross negligence is punishable. I posted the legal definition earlier.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 24, 2015, 04:12:56 AM
That's called a lie as in she knew the truth and then told not somebody douchbag..not a reporter...the parents of one of the dead, that a video was responsible. That's a lie. I know the truth and Hilary have never crossed much. But we'll move on...oh wait there's still that FBI investigation.

military officials stated that misinformation was given as they wanted to focus on the actual targets. I am pretty sure you can't have all the facts at any given moment, conjecture is acceptable no?

There have been how many investigations and this is all you have? that the source or cause of the issue was misidentified only later to be corrected. This is worth 4.5 million dollars? this sounds like a idiosyncratic event that they had to piece together. The investigation indicates this, there was no stand down order EVER given, perhaps you could actually listen to the investigations findings instead of repeatedly spewing mistruth.

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 24, 2015, 04:16:00 AM
no it's not a lie unless she knew it was false

if she thought it was AQ on the day it happened and later was getting intel saying it was something else then it's not a lie

also, governments have no obligation to tell the truth about everything to everyone all the time or at any given time. 
if they had some strategic reason to call it something else then so be it.  Governments do that all the time.  You may not like it but it's not a crime

and again, what the fuck does it matter??



Well said, it was conjecture in order to provide an answer to a question she probably should not have answered. The military already stated it was strategic, they knew the source.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Necrosis on October 24, 2015, 04:19:33 AM
Actually I think gross negligence is punishable. I posted the legal definition earlier.

For what? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Should she have been standing at the gates with mjolnir and a vibranium shield ready to fight to the death?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 24, 2015, 06:54:33 AM
Actually I think gross negligence is punishable. I posted the legal definition earlier.

Is that why God is punishing you?  Gross negligence of common sense?

The only thing Clinton is guilty of is striking fear in the hearts of little whining ass Repubs.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 09:00:57 AM
Is that why God is punishing you?  Gross negligence of common sense?

The only thing Clinton is guilty of is striking fear in the hearts of little whining ass Repubs.

I don't think that is all she guilty of, but I'm glad you are blind to the atrocities of your own party.  I also don't think she should be convicted of anything for this, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have fault.

A good comparison is oj Simpson.   I certainly think he murdered 2 ppl but I don't think he should have been found guilty in the court of law, given the evidence.

Now I ask you a 3rd time, are you claiming she is innocent or that this was a massive waste of time?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 24, 2015, 09:11:50 AM
Now I ask you a 3rd time, are you claiming she is innocent or that this was a massive waste of time?

innocent of what?

1)  Hilary personally issued a stand down order, in order to allow those 4 heroes to be killed?

OR

2) hilary didn't tell the american people the exact motives of the bad guys immediately after the attacks?


Cause last year, all we heard was #1, that hilary let them die.

NOT it's all about either 2) hilary didn't tell us why they attacked
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 09:25:04 AM
innocent of what?

1)  Hilary personally issued a stand down order, in order to allow those 4 heroes to be killed?

OR

2) hilary didn't tell the american people the exact motives of the bad guys immediately after the attacks?


Cause last year, all we heard was #1, that hilary let them die.

NOT it's all about either 2) hilary didn't tell us why they attacked

You didn't hear that from me so I don't know how that applies from what I asked.  As stated earlier, I think her or someone else or a combination of both did the job poorly.  That isn't a crime to me.  The only thing I think she is guilty of is lying.  I'm just wondering why you and the other liberals act like she has clean hands in this.  There is a world of difference in clean hands and guilt in a court hearing
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 09:35:47 AM
You didn't hear that from me so I don't know how that applies from what I asked.  As stated earlier, I think her or someone else or a combination of both did the job poorly.  That isn't a crime to me.  The only thing I think she is guilty of is lying.  I'm just wondering why you and the other liberals act like she has clean hands in this.  There is a world of difference in clean hands and guilt in a court hearing

why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you imagine she is "guilty" of doing

you've got the data from all the various investigations so just lay it out for us rather than asking us to guess what you're thinking
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you imagine she is "guilty" of doing

you've got the data from all the various investigations so just lay it out for us rather than asking us to guess what you're thinking

I've already done that but reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit .  I think she blamed a video for the attack when she knew full well that the video had nothing to do with it.  That in itself is only a lie, but when coupled with the liberal's tendency to constantly fault racism, sexism, or whatever other -ism they can use to steer away from the truth, the dishonesty has a larger meaning to me.  You and the other liberals don't care because you are guilty of the same finger pointing anytime you can't win an argument or get your way.  That is fine as you are not a public official.  I hold her to a higher standard as it was a lie that steered the narrative to being an attack in response to anti-Muslim rhetoric.

For the 5th time, she is guilty of no crime in court but her hands aren't clean here
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 09:54:06 AM
I've already done that but reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit .  I think she blamed a video for the attack when she knew full well that the video had nothing to do with it.  That in itself is only a lie, but when coupled with the liberal's tendency to constantly fault racism, sexism, or whatever other -ism they can use to steer away from the truth, the dishonesty has a larger meaning to me.  You and the other liberals don't care because you are guilty of the same finger pointing anytime you can't win an argument or get your way.  That is fine as you are not a public official.  I hold her to a higher standard as it was a lie that steered the narrative to being an attack in response to anti-Muslim rhetoric.

For the 5th time, she is guilty of no crime in court but her hands aren't clean here

and we've been over that a million times

the rest of your statement is an indication of your real issue which is your preconceived belief that liberals constantly fault various "isms"

again, we're right back to conservatives pre-fabricated rage about things they imagine to be real and their need to assign that rage to some event or person no matter how fucking ridiculous

thanks for playing the part of the perfect right wing idiot
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 10:00:07 AM
and we've been over that a million times

the rest of your statement is an indication of your real issue which is your preconceived belief that liberals constantly fault various "isms"

again, we're right back to conservatives pre-fabricated rage about things they imagine to be real and their need to assign that rage to some event or person no matter how fucking ridiculous

thanks for playing the part of the perfect right wing idiot

You didn't have to dig in my paragraph to find that I don't like finger pointing to an -ism being a point of most liberal arguments. In the very week where the clock boy gets a visit to the white house from obama after bringing a clock that look like, well....a bomb, I'm going to make those accusations.  It's one thing for you to support your party, it's another to deny their faults.  Sorry to tell you this, keep wearing your rose colored glasses all you want, but libreals used racism for any anti-obama issue and they are already using sexism for hillary.

Thanks for playing the part of the left wing idiot
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 10:08:28 AM
You didn't have to dig in my paragraph to find that I don't like finger pointing to an -ism being a point of most liberal arguments. In the very week where the clock boy gets a visit to the white house from obama after bringing a clock that look like, well....a bomb, I'm going to make those accusations.  It's one thing for you to support your party, it's another to deny their faults.  Sorry to tell you this, keep wearing your rose colored glasses all you want, but libreals used racism for any anti-obama issue and they are already using sexism for hillary.

Thanks for playing the part of the left wing idiot

Hilarious

I'm surprised you didn't resort to the "I'm rubber you're glue defense"

I've already addressed Hilarys changing story about the catalyst for the attack in multiple posts in this thread and it's obvious that your real issue are your preconceived and imaginary grievances about "libs" (and the irony is the Hilary isn't even a lib)

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 10:18:39 AM
Hilarious

I'm surprised you didn't resort to the "I'm rubber you're glue defense"

I've already addressed Hilarys changing story about the catalyst for the attack in multiple posts in this thread and it's obvious that your real issue are your preconceived and imaginary grievances about "libs" (and the irony is the Hilary isn't even a lib)



So you have no comment on the clock boy getting an invite to the white house. Got it.  If I see liberals use those tactics, I will call em out.  You are in complete denial if you think obama's campaign hasn't been tainted with all of his racial bullshit issues ranging from the Harvard professor, trayvon martin, to even mike brown.  He has a history of involving himself in what he assumes to be racial issues without knowing the facts.   I know you aren't very intelligent and you are used to debating coach, but even you can figure some of that out

Secondly, I've been courteous and honest enough to spell out my thoughts on this. I'll ask you to tell me exactly why you think hillary lied, if you even think she lied.  All I see you do otherwise in this thread is beat around the bush. I want your clear cut answer to why you think she blamed the video.   I have no concern for fault or criminal hearings
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 24, 2015, 10:31:07 AM
some getbiggers (not you, older ones) were claiming hilary did a 'stand down' order.

in my opinion, there may have been one - but it'd have to come from obama, not hilary.   troops were an hour away, and they bravely fought for 7 hours... you can't tell me they didn't stand down.

BUT gowdy, issa, and the inneffective republicans were unable to prove shit.  So, like other president before, when widely suspected of letting shit happen for whatever reason, they get away with it.

The new repub anger of "why didn't you tell us instantly what bad guys did what" is laughable because they were all about secrecy during Bush era, and suddenly it angers them.  IMO, they're mad because they couldn't prove anything here, and hilary comes out of this looking better than before, how in the F, I don't know.

Gowdy may as well be on clinton's payroll - he's 45 and looked flustered, sweaty and exhausted after badgering hilary for 11 hours.  SHE is 70, and looked composed and was taking victory laps afterwards.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 10:40:28 AM
some getbiggers (not you, older ones) were claiming hilary did a 'stand down' order.

in my opinion, there may have been one - but it'd have to come from obama, not hilary.   troops were an hour away, and they bravely fought for 7 hours... you can't tell me they didn't stand down.

BUT gowdy, issa, and the inneffective republicans were unable to prove shit.  So, like other president before, when widely suspected of letting shit happen for whatever reason, they get away with it.

The new repub anger of "why didn't you tell us instantly what bad guys did what" is laughable because they were all about secrecy during Bush era, and suddenly it angers them.  IMO, they're mad because they couldn't prove anything here, and hilary comes out of this looking better than before, how in the F, I don't know.

Gowdy may as well be on clinton's payroll - he's 45 and looked flustered, sweaty and exhausted after badgering hilary for 11 hours.  SHE is 70, and looked composed and was taking victory laps afterwards.


i think she lied about the motive of the attack. Any of us here are only speculating as to her motive.  I don't think she did anything else that was unethical.  Now as to strawman's dumbass denying that liberals don't play the -ism fiddle a whole lot, that would be like me denying conservative politicians don't sleeze their way into their voter base with their fake religious beliefs.   
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: 240 is Back on October 24, 2015, 12:08:38 PM
so we are mad that a politician didn't immediately reveal the motive of the attackers, when the attackers were still at large.

think about how often police give false info to allow the main suspect to get comfy, and sloppy?  The moment you say "so-and-so did it!", then so-and-so lawyers up, disappears, etc.

Blaming a video, who knows, maybe that's a strategy for all we  know.   the bad guys stay out in the open?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
so we are mad that a politician didn't immediately reveal the motive of the attackers, when the attackers were still at large.

think about how often police give false info to allow the main suspect to get comfy, and sloppy?  The moment you say "so-and-so did it!", then so-and-so lawyers up, disappears, etc.

Blaming a video, who knows, maybe that's a strategy for all we  know.   the bad guys stay out in the open?

I'm not mad about any of it.  She behaved like a politician as did trey Gowdy and his whole panel.  It just seems to be rather often that posters on this board blast conservatives for being dishonest when hillary seems to be the most dishonest of the bunch In many ways.  Additionally, all the pandering to Muslims in this country as a previously mentioned -ism that the liberals lIke to resort to so often seems to fit this scenario.   I don't think they said it was a video to trip up the guilty party.  You are equating politicians to detectives on a crime stopping spree and that isn't the case here.  If you guys don't like posters such as coach and the former 333... fella posting  1 sided arguments, I would expect your behavior to hold up to your own standard
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
i think she lied about the motive of the attack. Any of us here are only speculating as to her motive.  I don't think she did anything else that was unethical.  Now as to strawman's dumbass denying that liberals don't play the -ism fiddle a whole lot, that would be like me denying conservative politicians don't sleeze their way into their voter base with their fake religious beliefs.   

I've addressed Hillary's alleged "lie" already in this thread

Here is just one example

no it's not a lie unless she knew it was false

if she thought it was AQ on the day it happened and later was getting intel saying it was something else then it's not a lie

also, governments have no obligation to tell the truth about everything to everyone all the time or at any given time. 
if they had some strategic reason to call it something else then so be it.  Governments do that all the time.  You may not like it but it's not a crime

and again, what the fuck does it matter??



I don't give a rats ass about clock boy an not even sure why you brought it up

it that an example of one of your "isms"

if so, which one

why don't you go ahead and lay out that entire premise in it's own thread with specific examples
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
I've addressed Hillary's alleged "lie" already in this thread

Here is just one example

I don't give a rats ass about clock boy an not even sure why you brought it up

it that an example of one of your "isms"

if so, which one

why don't you go ahead and lay out that entire premise in it's own thread with specific examples


You are as simple minded as they come.  Clock boy was made a victim because liberals said he was targeted due to being Muslim.  I question how you can't figure that out yourself.  As a result he got to meet the president and liberals boo hoo-ed for him.  Even bill Maher cautioned liberals to exercise more common sense in the situation.  It's because it looked like a bomb.

And no, the quote above does not state whether you think she was lying or not.   You skirt around the issue and don't address it head on. You stated that she wasn't lying if she didn't know it to be false.  It's your way of dodging the issue and attempting to live up to your screen name.  You aren't smart enough to use a strawman argument successfully.  Come up with a new name if this is the best you got
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
You are as simple minded as they come.  Clock boy was made a victim because liberals said he was targeted due to being Muslim.  I question how you can't figure that out yourself.  As a result he got to meet the president and liberals boo hoo-ed for him.  Even bill Maher cautioned liberals to exercise more common sense in the situation.  It's because it looked like a bomb.

And no, the quote above does not state whether you think she was lying or not.   You skirt around the issue and don't address it head on. You stated that she wasn't lying if she didn't know it to be false.  It's your way of dodging the issue and attempting to live up to your screen name.  You aren't smart enough to use a strawman argument successfully.  Come up with a new name if this is the best you got

it's very simple

this is your idiotic premise and I'm not going to make any assumptions about it

btw  genius, I didn't use any strawman argument (do you even know the definition)

I don't think she lying and I don't care if she is and I've explained why

wtf does the clock kid have to do with Hilary again?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 01:48:28 PM
it's very simple

this is your idiotic premise and I'm not going to make any assumptions about it

btw  genius, I didn't use any strawman argument (do you even know the definition)

I don't think she lying and I don't care if she is and I've explained why

wtf does the clock kid have to do with Hilary again?

Clock kid has to do with your assertion that conservatives believe liberals to use -ism arguments falsely.  That is one example that liberals do in fact rely on -isms in spite of you claiming to be imaginary.

Apparently you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument yourself, chief.   You tried to explain to us the definition of a "lie" versus telling us whether you think she lied.  While I'll admit it's a poor argument, as I already did above, you certainly attempted to evade and rely on slight of hand. Everyone here has a firm grasp of what a lie is from the time they are 2.  We didn't need your narrative on the matter.

And finally, you actually gave an answer to the question directly.  You don't think she lied, which is what I thought, and nor do you care, which I also thought.  That implies nothing she would do would lose your favor for her.

You need to stick to ripping into coach.  You are way outta your iq range on this one
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: Straw Man on October 24, 2015, 01:50:52 PM
Clock kid has to do with your assertion that conservatives believe liberals to use -ism arguments falsely.  That is one example that liberals do in fact rely on -isms in spite of you claiming to be imaginary.

Apparently you need to look up the definition of a strawman argument yourself, chief.   You tried to explain to us the definition of a "lie" versus telling us whether you think she lied.  While I'll admit it's a poor argument, as I already did above, you certainly attempted to evade and rely on slight of hand. Everyone here has a firm grasp of what a lie is from the time they are 2.  We didn't need your narrative on the matter.

And finally, you actually gave an answer to the question directly.  You don't think she lied, which is why I thought, and nor do you care, which I also thought.  That implies nothing she would do would lose your favor for her.

You need to stick to ripping into coach.  You are way outta your iq range on this one

my premise?

dude you're lost

I don't know if Hilary lied or not about the reason for the attack and I don't care if she did

go look up Straw Man argument because you truly haven't got a clue
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 02:02:07 PM
my premise?

dude you're lost

I don't know if Hilary lied or not about the reason for the attack and I don't care if she did

go look up Straw Man argument because you truly haven't got a clue

Nice rebuttle.  You have an opinion of whether she lied, and you said you don't think she did.  That's all I wanted from you, to admit your bias and it wouldn't change your opinion. One way or the other.

And while you've proven you aren't smart, at least you were smart enough to leave the clock kid example alone. That issue is a perfect example of the Liberal behavior that you deny exist.

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 24, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
For someone claiming other people are not very smart and making remarks about their IQ...   there's a whole lot of misspellings and bad grammar in their posts.

Projections are a bitch.    Just saying....
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
For someone claiming other people are not very smart and making remarks about their IQ...   there's a whole lot of misspellings and bad grammar in their posts.

Projections are a bitch.    Just saying....

Well, I was awaiting your participation, and I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed.  Commenting on my spelling while I type on my phone and have no desire to correct it implies nothing about my iq or the strength of the argument.  It does however imply that your argument is weak and you are grasping at straws. 

If I wasn't smart and had nothing to contribute to the body of an argument, I suppose I too would use your tactic and try to scrutinize grammar and spelling
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 24, 2015, 07:03:25 PM
So sorry your phone is from 1990.  The ones today have auto spellcheck.  Get with the times maybe?

So sorry that you have to tune into GB on your phone while away from home because your real life is that dull, because you are that 'net addicted, or you just don't have internet at home or work.

Projections......   strong stuff.

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
So sorry your phone is from 1990.  The ones today have auto spellcheck.  Get with the times maybe?

So sorry that you have to tune into GB on your phone while away from home because your real life is that dull, because you are that 'net addicted, or you just don't have internet at home or work.

Projections......   strong stuff.



Wow, you are a fragile one. I'm going to continue to type on my phone/computer depending on the circumstance, and I'll let you point out my grammatical/spelling errors (which you didn't do and i don't care to look).  I'll just continue to dominate your mind in the debates and let you have the grammar/spelling victory.  

You have nothing left.  You are a sissy.  You might as well let someone slap you in the face like 240 and walk off if you haven't already done such before.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 24, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
So sorry your phone is from 1990.  The ones today have auto spellcheck.  Get with the times maybe?

So sorry that you have to tune into GB on your phone while away from home because your real life is that dull, because you are that 'net addicted, or you just don't have internet at home or work.

Projections......   strong stuff.




And just for shits and giggles, your paragraph should read as follows, since you want to point out grammar/spelling:

I'm so sorry your phone is from 1990 (You need to include I'm here).  The ones today have auto spell check (spell check is 2 words, not 1).  Maybe you should get with the times (You just wrote that all wrong, but if you were to write it like that it should look as such "Get with the times, maybe?   there is really no need for the question mark as you are making a statement and not asking a question).

This next sentence is just a horrible run-on sentence so I'm not even gonna try and correct that mess.

As for me personally, I don't like to correct internet grammar/spelling.  But since you opened the door, i went there.  I'm better at that than you as well when I try

Jeez, it must suck to be inferior.
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 25, 2015, 06:23:08 AM
Such overcompensation for personal insecurities. 

Projection..... they're such a bitch aren't they?
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 25, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Such overcompensation for personal insecurities. 

Projection..... they're such a bitch aren't they?

Haha.  Try your simpleton stuff on your family members as they're  probably as dumb as you, being from the same inferior gene pool.  It isn't gonna work on someone that makes you look stupid every time you try to debate him
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 25, 2015, 05:03:34 PM
Such overcompensation for personal insecurities. 

Projection..... they're such a bitch aren't they?

x2
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 25, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
x2

We can do this all day.  I can't make you look stupid over and over, and you can try to correct my grammar and spelling.  Then, I will make you look stupid yet again by correcting you.  It's a cyclic sequence of events for you.

Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 25, 2015, 07:08:27 PM
Such overcompensation for personal insecurities. 

Projection..... they're such a bitch aren't they?

x3
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: iwantmass on October 25, 2015, 07:20:34 PM
x3

×4
Title: Re: Bengazi hearings.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 25, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Such overcompensation for personal insecurities. 

Projection..... they're such a bitch aren't they?

x4