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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Wrestling Board => Topic started by: northernlights on April 09, 2009, 03:50:18 PM
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Courtesy of pwinsider.com:
The UK Sun is reporting that the cause of death in the case of Andrew "Test" Martin is oxycodone intoxication as a result of an accidental overdose.
Oxycodone is found in the painkillers OxyContin, Percoset and Percoden.
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ouch..
that explains why no WWE tribute :'(
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The PC explanation in the wrestling world is "heart complications."
::)
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Another one bites the dust.
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The media harps on steroids, but painkillers are a 1000% bigger problem in the business. That is what needs to be adressed, i train 5 or 6 times a month right now and am sore as hell sometimes. I can't imagine doing 3 or 4 shows a week and being on the road 280-300 days a year.
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...i train 5 or 6 times a month right now and am sore as hell sometimes. I can't imagine doing 3 or 4 shows a week and being on the road 280-300 days a year.
Some of that could be because – in practice – you may take the same bump 10-20 times in a row. And you’re working for maybe an hour, or however long your sessions last. That repetition is harsh.
Once you start working matches on a regular basis and don't need to practice ring drills so much, well…
You see my point(?)
A 15 min. match won’t have you taking a sloppy suplex 12 times in a row from some inept rookie who probably should not be dropping another human being from any height.
I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park; just a bit different than what you're going through now.
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The media harps on steroids, but painkillers are a 1000% bigger problem in the business. That is what needs to be adressed, i train 5 or 6 times a month right now and am sore as hell sometimes. I can't imagine doing 3 or 4 shows a week and being on the road 280-300 days a year.
well..I think steroids are as big a problem as well.....guys are dropping dead left and right and steroids are a big contributor..although you make a good point that painkillers...insulin use....all contribute as well
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I think that most people can generally consume moderate amounts of painkillers, steroids, booze, and even certain “recreational” drugs each by themselves.
Any of those in excess will cause problems.
Start mixing any and/or all of them, and your fvcked in a not-so-nice way.
The 80’s roster was notorious for both excessive and combined consumption.
Jake – to me – is the most amazing example for not only the copious amounts of shit he’s taken, but also for the fact that he is still alive!
Bulldog – painkiller OD, but he’d done his share of plenty of other substances over the years including cocaine and roids.
Dynamite outlined his own daily ritual, which included:
Speed to wake up in the morning and catch a flight,
Valium to sleep on the flight,
Steroids before training and working,
Painkillers, booze, and cocaine after the match,
Valium to get to sleep
He also claims that most of the roster followed a pretty similar schedule.
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ouch..
that explains why no WWE tribute :'(
that shouldn't be a reason....
it's almost like his life meant less because he had an addiction...
sounds like the WWE is just trying to keep it hush hush so they won't have to acknowledge that there's a problem amongst the troops..
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the funny thing is that Joe and Ben Weider have taken a lot of flack over the years for the drug use among bodybuilders and profiting from bodybuilders who are literally killing themselves with drugs....
Yet McMahonn gets away practically scot-free????..and his wrestlers and others from other organizations are dropping dead left and right
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that shouldn't be a reason....
it's almost like his life meant less because he had an addiction...
sounds like the WWE is just trying to keep it hush hush so they won't have to acknowledge that there's a problem amongst the troops..
I agree.
Drug-related wrestler deaths never used to prevent honorable mentions on air.
Although Test wasn’t working for WWE at the time, it still casts a negative light on the industry, and right now, Vince pretty much IS the industry.
I still don’t think McMahon’s fully recovered from the Benoit tragedy, and even if he did, every time another wrestler dies a drug-related death, the asshole media will revisit the Benoit saga.
Vince will never be able to shake that.
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If anyone with half a brain does their history checks and research, all these wrestlers that died before they're time was all pain killer and rec drug abuse. NOT steroids. I really hate it when they say or blame gas for the early untimely deaths of wrestlers and attribute it to roids. The eighties had way, way, way more muscular and better built wrestlers and they are all alive and well. I'm talking about Hogan, Paul Orndorf, Jimmy Snuka, Randy Savage, etc. They all had very muscualr builds and are all alive and well.
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If anyone with half a brain does their history checks and research, all these wrestlers that died before they're time was all pain killer and rec drug abuse. NOT steroids. I really hate it when they say or blame gas for the early untimely deaths of wrestlers and attribute it to roids. The eighties had way, way, way more muscular and better built wrestlers and they are all alive and well. I'm talking about Hogan, Paul Orndorf, Jimmy Snuka, Randy Savage, etc. They all had very muscualr builds and are all alive and well.
If you read Bret Harts book he talks about all the drug use back then.
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If you read Bret Harts book he talks about all the drug use back then.
I actually enjoyed his book.
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well..I think steroids are as big a problem as well.....guys are dropping dead left and right and steroids are a big contributor..although you make a good point that painkillers...insulin use....all contribute as well
Name me a wrestler who's died from steriods?
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If anyone with half a brain does their history checks and research, all these wrestlers that died before they're time was all pain killer and rec drug abuse. NOT steroids. I really hate it when they say or blame gas for the early untimely deaths of wrestlers and attribute it to roids. The eighties had way, way, way more muscular and better built wrestlers and they are all alive and well. I'm talking about Hogan, Paul Orndorf, Jimmy Snuka, Randy Savage, etc. They all had very muscualr builds and are all alive and well.
good try.....but the problem is that while people are not dropping dead from steroids directly, there is a strong correlation between steroid usage and untimely deaths in these athletes....steroids are a contributing factor and oftentimes facilitates other problems in the body and may push guys with pre-existing illnesses over the edge to death..
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good try.....but the problem is that while people are not dropping dead from steroids directly, there is a strong correlation between steroid usage and untimely deaths in these athletes....steroids are a contributing factor and oftentimes facilitates other problems in the body and may push guys with pre-existing illnesses over the edge to death..
There has never been any shown proof of this.
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the funny thing is that Joe and Ben Weider have taken a lot of flack over the years for the drug use among bodybuilders and profiting from bodybuilders who are literally killing themselves with drugs....
Yet McMahonn gets away practically scot-free????..and his wrestlers and others from other organizations are dropping dead left and right
Its not McMahon's fault if his wrestlers choose to take gas. If he sold it to them then it would be a different story. Taking a drug be it steroids, pain killer, rec drug, etc is all a personal choice. McMahon doesn't know or see what these guys do behind closed doors and therefore not responsible for the choices they make. You reap what you sow.
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Its not McMahon's fault if his wrestlers choose to take gas. If he sold it to them then it would be a different story. Taking a drug be it steroids, pain killer, rec drug, etc is all a personal choice. McMahon doesn't know or see what these guys do behind closed doors and therefore not responsible for the choices they make. You reap what you sow.
WHAT about what mcmahon did behind closed doors?
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In the 1993 Zahorian trial, no wrestler testified that McMahon either “FORCED” them to take performance-enhancing drugs, nor did he sell them.
To my knowledge, no employee – either former or current – has ever accused Vince of forcing them to juice; not even in any of the “tell all” books and shoot interviews that are everywhere.
Many will readily admit that the old man seemed to reward a lot of the bigger guys, and if you wanted any work in the 80’s, you more or less had to use gear just to have a shot.
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In the 1993 Zahorian trial, no wrestler testified that McMahon either “FORCED” them to take performance-enhancing drugs, nor did he sell them.
To my knowledge, no employee – either former or current – has ever accused Vince of forcing them to juice; not even in any of the “tell all” books and shoot interviews that are everywhere.
Many will readily admit that the old man seemed to reward a lot of the bigger guys, and if you wanted any work in the 80’s, you more or less had to use gear just to have a shot.
Vince gets a lot of heat for stuff that he shouldn't IMO.
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Agree.
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In the 1993 Zahorian trial, no wrestler testified that McMahon either “FORCED” them to take performance-enhancing drugs, nor did he sell them.
To my knowledge, no employee – either former or current – has ever accused Vince of forcing them to juice; not even in any of the “tell all” books and shoot interviews that are everywhere.
Many will readily admit that the old man seemed to reward a lot of the bigger guys, and if you wanted any work in the 80’s, you more or less had to use gear just to have a shot.
you've got to be kidding me..I'll bet you won't find any evidence that Joe and Ben Weider made BBer's take steroids either...but
the facts are if you don't take steroids then you cannot achieve the body necessary to be in the magazines or compete in IFBB shows.....in other words..no steroids, no career......the Weiders controlled bodybuilding.....it was understood what you had to do to be successful within their system
same with wrestling.....McMahon doesn't have to tell you to take steroids....he's not THAT dumb....you already know what you have to do in order to achieve a body and a look that is "marketable" to wrestling fans....
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you've got to be kidding me..I'll bet you won't find any evidence that Joe and Ben Weider made BBer's take steroids either...but
the facts are if you don't take steroids then you cannot achieve the body necessary to be in the magazines or compete in IFBB shows.....in other words..no steroids, no career......the Weiders controlled bodybuilding.....it was understood what you had to do to be successful within their system
same with wrestling.....McMahon doesn't have to tell you to take steroids....he's not THAT dumb....you already know what you have to do in order to achieve a body and a look that is "marketable" to wrestling fans....
Any wrestler or bbder who has ever taken anything what ever it may be knew the risk. Thats the profession they chose, no one made them.
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Any wrestler or bbder who has ever taken anything what ever it may be knew the risk.
Especially after the 80's. ;)
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99.9% of these guys die because of rec drug abuse and pain killer abuse due to the amount of bumps / injuries they take while travelling 300+ days per year.
I don't think the WWE should acknowledge every single death attributed to pro wrestling especially if that particular person is or hasn't been with the company in years. Not necessary. Especially since the Benoit bullshit it will only brink unncessary heat on them for situations they have no control on. Benoit killed because he was a murderer. Not because of drugs, too many concussions and steroids. Sad but true. It seems to me that the media has a hard on for Vince McMahon & the WWE.
In Test's case, he was abusing the rec drugs, overdosed and paid the piper. In Benoit's case he turned out to be a stone cold (no pun intended) killer. It certainly isn't McMahon's or anyone else's fault that they chose to go down this path and McMahon & the WWE should not get labelled for it.