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G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« on: October 26, 2008, 08:25:34 AM »
The other day, Arvilla said he didn’t know about the G4P side (we can disagree on how big or small that side is) of bodybuilding until he came to getbig and other message boards.  I found this comment interesting coming from someone who has been involved in the sport for so many years.

When did the rest of you clue in to the G4P side?  How many of you are like Arvilla and didn’t know what was going on until you came to getbig or a similar board?  With sites like musclegallery.com accessible with just a mouse click it’s impossible to deny that at least posing is going on.  When did you realize there was a schmoe side to pro bodybuilding?

None of us can un-know what we now know, but do you think you were better off before you knew?


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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 08:26:48 AM »
arvilla is the Italian word for naive

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2008, 08:34:49 AM »
arvilla is the Italian word for naive
Since big Mike is NOT a part of that scene I doubt he knew much about it until someone pointed it out to him.
I think that a bodybuilder has every right to do whever they want with anyone they want for any reason so long as it is between adults and not illegal.
Having said that if it gets out the pro should be warned and then suspended.
As part of an organization a pro bodybuilder represents the IFBB.

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2008, 08:49:09 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2008, 08:49:43 AM »
I know some top bodybuilders, and I am sure none of them have ever done gay for pay stuff.  Other dodgy stuff yes (eg protection and money collection, nightclub doormen, dealing etc, but G4P never. I do believe it happens, but lets not get mix up and think every pro does it. You probably do get the occasional homo or pervert, but I think it pretty rare.

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 08:51:33 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 08:52:45 AM »
I know some top bodybuilders, and I am sure none of them have ever done gay for pay stuff.  Other dodgy stuff yes (eg protection and money collection, nightclub doormen, dealing etc, but G4P never. I do believe it happens, but lets not get mix up and think every pro does it. You probably do get the occasional homo or pervert, but I think it pretty rare.
Exactly , I am sure most big time BB's don't get involved with that crap . That is why the IFBB should get rid off those that enage in it on a continual basis.
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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 09:00:05 AM »
Agree.

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 09:00:28 AM »
The other day, Arvilla said he didn’t know about the G4P side (we can disagree on how big or small that side is) of bodybuilding until he came to getbig and other message boards.  I found this comment interesting coming from someone who has been involved in the sport for so many years.

When did the rest of you clue in to the G4P side?  How many of you are like Arvilla and didn’t know what was going on until you came to getbig or a similar board?  With sites like musclegallery.com accessible with just a mouse click it’s impossible to deny that at least posing is going on.  When did you realize there was a schmoe side to pro bodybuilding?

None of us can un-know what we now know, but do you think you were better off before you knew?



I knew about the G4P side of bodybuilding long before the internet , Arnold eluded to the fact the sport attracts many gay men ( duh ) and Musclemag International being very liberal especially compared to the more conservative Muscle & Fitness and Flex had the ads in the back of their magazines anyone will any intelligence can but two-and-two together , but with the advent of the internet and the heavy exposure of information and opportunities it's more out of the closet ( no pun intended )



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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 09:01:21 AM »
I knew about the G4P side of bodybuilding long before the internet , Arnold eluded to the fact the sport attracts many gay men ( duh ) and Musclemag International being very liberal especially compared to the more conservative Muscle & Fitness and Flex had the ads in the back of their magazines anyone will any intelligence can but two-and-two together , but with the advent of the internet and the heavy exposure of information and opportunities it's more out of the closet ( no pun intended )



Great t and quite true. Should guys now be banned from the IFBB for continued exposure of it?

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 09:03:56 AM »
I know some top bodybuilders, and I am sure none of them have ever done gay for pay stuff.  Other dodgy stuff yes (eg protection and money collection, nightclub doormen, dealing etc, but G4P never. I do believe it happens, but lets not get mix up and think every pro does it. You probably do get the occasional homo or pervert, but I think it pretty rare.

I disagree I don't think it's rare I think it's more prevalent than you think , it all depends on the person . and let's face it bodybuilding professionally is a sport of compromises , most don't hold full time jobs , a lot resort to dealing AAS or recreational drugs , stripping be it for females or not , or training clients

some guys are above all the nonsense most aren't that's life

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 09:07:36 AM »
Great t and quite true. Should guys now be banned from the IFBB for continued exposure of it?

banned ? I don't think so , this sport is one giant facade anyone who is casting stones in this sport better move out of their glass houses , they sport on paper admonishes steroid use but that's their bread & butter and they're going to complain about guys supplementing their income? it's sorta like the Military's policy of don't ask don't tell , they know it's part of the game but they have to keep up appearances

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 09:18:46 AM »
I know some top bodybuilders, and I am sure none of them have ever done gay for pay stuff.  Other dodgy stuff yes (eg protection and money collection, nightclub doormen, dealing etc, but G4P never. I do believe it happens, but lets not get mix up and think every pro does it. You probably do get the occasional homo or pervert, but I think it pretty rare.

Ok, I’ll take the bait:  what makes you so sure?  Are your top bodybuilder friends independently wealthy?  Have they always been wealthy?  Or do they “not seem like the type”?  ::)  I simply do not understand the “if I don’t know about it, it doesn’t exist” mentality of some people—and this mentality is certainly not limited to the darker side of bodybuilding.  

Most bodybuilders who do this sort of thing prefer to be discreet about it so it is only logical that you wouldn’t know what they do to raise money.

A true story:

When I was on the gay muscle/escort board about 10 years ago, I can recall one up and coming bodybuilder who joined the board and made it clear he was looking for a sponsor.  He was very specific: unlike many of the less dedicated muscle wannabes on that site, he wanted ONE substantial sponsor he could “work with” rather than a handful of a small johns with small wallets.  In other words, he wanted a full time body building sponsor and was not willing to hustle for nickels and dimes.  He was already in excellent shape and made it clear he was willing to do whatever it took to get ahead.

Soon after he appeared on that site, he disappeared and never came back.  Eventually, someone started a thread about him asking whatever happened to him.  The moderator reported that he found the sponsor he was looking for and consequently had no reason to remain on the site.  He concentrated on his training and the sponsor who made it possible.

Today, he is a competing pro and I chuckle every time I see him on stage or in publicity photos, magazines, etc.  If I told you his name you would recognize him immediately.


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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2008, 09:36:44 AM »
Most of the top bodybuilders I know are not wealthy. They live in average places, and their life revolves around eating, sleeping and training. But G4P they would not do, I am sure about that. Other illegal stuff yes, maybe. But nothing gay for sure. As I said earlier, I do suspect it happens though. I once had a gay guy make a move on me in a sauna at the gym, and I know there are gays hanging arounf gyms for sure.

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2008, 09:42:05 AM »
were you better off without BayGBM posting?
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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2008, 09:45:00 AM »
Ok, I’ll take the bait:  what makes you so sure?  Are your top bodybuilder friends independently wealthy?  Have they always been wealthy?  Or do they “not seem like the type”?  ::)  I simply do not understand the “if I don’t know about it, it doesn’t exist” mentality of some people—and this mentality is certainly not limited to the darker side of bodybuilding.  

Most bodybuilders who do this sort of thing prefer to be discreet about it so it is only logical that you wouldn’t now what they do to raise money.

A true story:

When I was on the gay muscle/escort board about 10 years ago, I can recall one up and coming bodybuilder who joined the board and made it clear he was looking for a sponsor.  He was very specific: unlike many of the less dedicated muscle wannabes on that site, he wanted ONE substantial sponsor he could “work with” rather than a handful of a small johns with small wallets.  In other words, he wanted a full time body building sponsor and was not willing to hustle for nickels and dimes.  He was already in excellent shape and made it clear he was willing to do whatever it took to get ahead.

Soon after he appeared on that site, he disappeared and never came back.  Eventually, someone started a thread about him asking whatever happened to him.  The moderator reported that he found the sponsor he was looking for and consequently had no reason to remain on the site.  He concentrated on his training and the sponsor who made it possible.

Today, he is a competing pro and I chuckle every time I see him on stage or in publicity photos, magazines, etc.  If I told you his name you would recognize him immediately.



so ?

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rodney st cloud?

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2008, 09:46:51 AM »
is there something wrong with my train of thought that I find that the whole G4P thing just goes hand in hand with pro bb'ing.

Business wise, you would have to be a schmuck to turn down easy money- if you can get 500 bucks (i don't know the given rate so i just put up 500 just for the hell of it) for a half hour of non-contact muscle worship than more power to you

the fact of the matter is, most guys who do G4p wish that women would pay for those types of services but unfortunately women aren't wired like that

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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2008, 09:48:11 AM »
is there something wrong with my train of thought that I find that the whole G4P thing just goes hand in hand with pro bb'ing.

Business wise, you would have to be a schmuck to turn down easy money- if you can get 500 bucks (i don't know the given rate so i just put up 500 just for the hell of it) for a half hour of non-contact muscle worship than more power to you

the fact of the matter is, most guys who do G4p wish that women would pay for those types of services but unfortunately women aren't wired like that

johnny with every single ppst, you reveal yourself to be gay  :-\

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2008, 09:50:28 AM »
johnny with every single ppst, you reveal yourself to be gay  :-\

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2008, 09:54:00 AM »
Most of the top bodybuilders I know are not wealthy. They live in average places, and their life revolves around eating, sleeping and training. But G4P they would not do, I am sure about that. Other illegal stuff yes, maybe. But nothing gay for sure. As I said earlier, I do suspect it happens though. I once had a gay guy make a move on me in a sauna at the gym, and I know there are gays hanging arounf gyms for sure.

gib:

I’d be curious to know what you consider “rare.” On musclegallery.com alone there are many names everyone here would recognize.  I consider musclegallery G4P.  And that is what some guys are willing to do publicly (anyone can access that MG).  Imagine what some will do if it is completely on the down low!

Maybe I’ve become cynical in my old age.  I’d like to think I would never go the way of Timo or BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT and name names, but I see a lot of hypocrisy and denial in this sport.

I find it interesting that you can perfectly imagine your top bodybuilder friends engaged in “Other illegal stuff” but think G4P is somehow beyond the pale for them.  At what point do you think it becomes G4P?  Is posing for musclegallery G4P?  Is posing for one person in private G4P?

btw, the gay guys you find at your gym are probably bi and on the DL.  If you live in a major city there are plenty of gay gyms and that is often where gay guys go.


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Re: G4P...Were you better off not knowing?
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2008, 10:02:50 AM »
I learned about g4p on Getbig and now I feel dirty every time I lift.  >:(

If you've ever heard of plain ol prostitution then you're probably going to conclude there's some gay sex for hire in bodybuilding.  No one should have to clue you in on that.  Getbig opened my eyes to its prevalance tho, and to female muscle worship which never occured to me because it's so goddamn weird frankly.

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2008, 10:04:28 AM »

btw, the gay guys you find at your gym are probably bi and on the DL.  If you live in a major city there are plenty of gay gyms and that is often where gay guys go.



In my city, the gays go to the YMCA. Its pretty much a gay gym. Tonnnes of old gay fellas. Its alright though, for the most part they're all real dedicated and cool folks, its the fuckin persians i dont like.

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2008, 10:08:50 AM »
Today, he is a competing pro and I chuckle every time I see him on stage or in publicity photos, magazines, etc.  If I told you his name you would recognize him immediately.

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2008, 10:10:35 AM »


tell me someone photoshopped this.  that's not ben weider...right?
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2008, 10:11:11 AM »


tell me someone photoshopped this.  that's not ben weider...right?

It's Joe  :-X