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This question could probably be included in the baseball thread, but please explain to me why HGH is being labeled as a 'dangerous drug' by those involved in the MLB witch hunt.
I'm especially concerned by the fact that the medical community promotes the benefits of HGH use in middle-aged and older Americans, but then Congress and the media declare it is somehow 'dangerous' for people in their athletic prime.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Please advise.
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Used in high doses it can cause a lot of water retention = High BP
It can also mess with the bodies insulin sensitivity = possibly make you Type II Diabetic,but would be very rare.
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Used in high doses it can cause a lot of water retention = High BP
It can also mess with the bodies insulin sensitivity = possibly make you Type II Diabetic,but would be very rare.
smoking is also known to be very bad for your health, and results in numerous serious health issues...
yet, they are legal
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they have to lie about the dangers of it, so it will get the same rep as aas and be viewed as public enemy #1. personally these idiot congressmen should be focusing on the economy and not gear, gh doesnt make people throw 100mph fastballs.
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smoking is also known to be very bad for your health, and results in numerous serious health issues...
yet, they are legal
But we are NOT talking about Smoking, why are you so interested to always point out the danger of other drugs we well
know and deny the obvious dangers of Steroids?
Doesn't make you look very smart Champ ::)
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
hahah now there is a danger, gj DK
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
basically what he said
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
Right, it's true that cancer may spread faster (didn't realize that it woke up tumors, but that makes senes), but that's a reasonable trade-off that most people would take. Obviously, if someone knows they've got cancer, they're not going to use HGH, but for someone who is cancer- or tumor-free, what's the harm in moderate use?
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
please provide a reference in a scientific or medical journal
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smoking is also known to be very bad for your health, and results in numerous serious health issues...
yet, they are legal
If tobacco was developed into a recreational product within the past 10-20 years and not hundreds of years ago, I have no doubt it would be illegal. But you can't just take away something that about 1/5 of all adults are addicted to and expect them to just be cool about it.
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why can't people just get old? who gives a fuck.
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Used in high doses it can cause a lot of water retention = High BP
It can also mess with the bodies insulin sensitivity = possibly make you Type II Diabetic,but would be very rare.
water retention even in the highest dosages is minimal.
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This question could probably be included in the baseball thread, but please explain to me why HGH is being labeled as a 'dangerous drug' by those involved in the MLB witch hunt.
I'm especially concerned by the fact that the medical community promotes the benefits of HGH use in middle-aged and older Americans, but then Congress and the media declare it is somehow 'dangerous' for people in their athletic prime.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Please advise.
Only a certain part of the medical community promotes the use of HGH, and mainly proffesionals that are liasons to anti-aging clinics and the such. The same goes for testosterone treatments,; recent meta-studies show that a lot of previous research has been biased because all subjects that were in some risk category or another were omitted from the trials.
It's still to early to tell about the risks/benefits of hormone treatment in elderly.
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Ever consider what would happen if the medical community or government admitted that it promoted youth and anti-aging? Then, if more people took it and the average life span increased by even a few years the financial effect on many of the entitlement programs would be devastating; especially social security.
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Maybe hgh link F---ing amazing aesthetic body?
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This question could probably be included in the baseball thread, but please explain to me why HGH is being labeled as a 'dangerous drug' by those involved in the MLB witch hunt.
I'm especially concerned by the fact that the medical community promotes the benefits of HGH use in middle-aged and older Americans, but then Congress and the media declare it is somehow 'dangerous' for people in their athletic prime.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Please advise.
That's just it brother. Its NOT dangerous. But like any other good thing if you take way way way to much of it instead of a sensible theraputic dose, you will have health complications from it. You know the old saying, drink 5 beers you catch a buzz, drink a whole 2-4 and your going to the hospital with alcohol poisoning.
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any drug can be abused. and some people certainly have abused GH, but I don't think anyone has died from GH abuse. insulin and diuretics are much more dangerous. many bodybuilders have died from these.
but there is a better reason for bodybuilders not to use gh and insulin: they create ugly physiques. they destroy any sense of symmetry and proportionality.
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Ever consider what would happen if the medical community or government admitted that it promoted youth and anti-aging? Then, if more people took it and the average life span increased by even a few years the financial effect on many of the entitlement programs would be devastating; especially social security.
There's no proof it increases life span. It might do the opposite. So why should the govt "admit" it increases life span?
Perceived quality of life is another matter.
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When is congress going to call Kamali to testify on his HGH use?
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hgh wakes up sleeping tumors and can cause cancers to spread faster.
No, it does not wake up sleeping tumors...you either have a tumor or you do not, no in between.
What it does do is it increases cell growth, therefore if you have a tumor it will speed up the cells of the tumors growth.
So in essence it does not cause the tumor to turn into cancer or what not, this was going to happen anyway. But yes, it may indeed speed up the process.Ever consider what would happen if the medical community or government admitted that it promoted youth and anti-aging? Then, if more people took it and the average life span increased by even a few years the financial effect on many of the entitlement programs would be devastating; especially social security.
Social security is on a dead path either way...regardless of drugs like HGH. What it would do if they admitted the benefits of such drugs is that it would have a huge impact on the pharmaceutical industry...but only in the short run.
Think about it, if drugs were introduced to the public that would in fact improve quality of life, make them feel better, age slower, have a better sense of well being, then there would be less of a need for other meds...particularly antidepressants which is a huge part of what has made the pockets so deep in the pharmaceutical world. In turn, this takes money out of the pockets of those in government, since the pharmaceutical industry has such a large base of lobbyist who pump in unreal amounts of money to government officials.
Last off, the reason I say the damage to the pharmacy world would only be short term is because of the initial fall out it would cause...less money being spent on drugs being used now. However, once other means were provided, they would easily be able to make up the difference, but it would take time. No way they are going to give into this any time soon, and it's a shame IMO.
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too much gh makes one ugly like palumbo
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AJ hit the nail on the head. This whole witch hunt is being run by the pharmaceutical companies who have politicians deep in their pockets.
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First off, you're heart and organs grow along with you're muscle. Many GH users have enlarged hearts. Also, you're forehead and extremities grow. Everything except you're schlong.
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Politician's need to justify their jobs so they do so by picking something that the public can perceive as dangerous. Doesn't matter of it is or not. Then they can get reelected. They are the good guys and they are saving lives.
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Because of all this anti gear crap some misinformed people actually believe steroids and hgh are dangerous :P people don't check sources nowadays
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There was an Australian book called"Over The Edge"in it is a sought of biographical of a BB, in it there is a young guy who takes HGH and he reaches 300 pounds and of course other steroids.
Then one day he goes to the doctor with illness and is diagnosed with a dangerously enlarged heart.
Was it HGH who knows but he is sick and drops back to half his bodyweight.
Makes you wonder.
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Because old guys who drink bourbon and smoke cigars think it is.
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Right, it's true that cancer may spread faster (didn't realize that it woke up tumors, but that makes senes), but that's a reasonable trade-off that most people would take. Obviously, if someone knows they've got cancer, they're not going to use HGH, but for someone who is cancer- or tumor-free, what's the harm in moderate use?
about 80% males over 55 have sleeping prostate tumors that are likely to grow when you use hgh. Now you people will tell me Stallone bla bla bla but he gets his stuff from a doc and gets checked, not a dealer and don't see a doc and even don't have health insurance like most people here.
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No, it does not wake up sleeping tumors...you either have a tumor or you do not, no in between.
What it does do is it increases cell growth, therefore if you have a tumor it will speed up the cells of the tumors growth.
So in essence it does not cause the tumor to turn into cancer or what not, this was going to happen anyway. But yes, it may indeed speed up the process.Social security is on a dead path either way...regardless of drugs like HGH. What it would do if they admitted the benefits of such drugs is that it would have a huge impact on the pharmaceutical industry...but only in the short run.
Think about it, if drugs were introduced to the public that would in fact improve quality of life, make them feel better, age slower, have a better sense of well being, then there would be less of a need for other meds...particularly antidepressants which is a huge part of what has made the pockets so deep in the pharmaceutical world. In turn, this takes money out of the pockets of those in government, since the pharmaceutical industry has such a large base of lobbyist who pump in unreal amounts of money to government officials.
Last off, the reason I say the damage to the pharmacy world would only be short term is because of the initial fall out it would cause...less money being spent on drugs being used now. However, once other means were provided, they would easily be able to make up the difference, but it would take time. No way they are going to give into this any time soon, and it's a shame IMO.
So what is a "sleeping tumor"??
It's a tumor that you HAVE, but it doesn't grow anymore.
Look above post for example.
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But we are NOT talking about Smoking, why are you so interested to always point out the danger of other drugs we well
know and deny the obvious dangers of Steroids?
Doesn't make you look very smart Champ ::)
he didnt deny anything.....he was making the point that there are plenty of things that have been proven to cause health issues that are perfectly legal, yet congress is out on a witch hunt to TRY to find a reason to back up their ideals.
although there CAN be issues with steroid use and abuse in some people, there are theraputic advances with its use as well. science/ medical communities are FINALLY starting to realize that....however congress and fox news have other plans LOL
all those old bastards could probably use a few CC's of test anyway.....
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please provide a reference in a scientific or medical journal
No, he's absolutely right. You can find this in any medical Pathology text book. ;)
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please provide a reference in a scientific or medical journal
http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/6/2/179
http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3/265?ck=nck
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/42/14992
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v24/n29/abs/1208572a.html
etc etc
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http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/6/2/179
http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3/265?ck=nck
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/42/14992
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v24/n29/abs/1208572a.html
etc etc
Ok and why don't we see thousands of bodybuilders with dangerous health problems?
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alright. this is what I heard this morning in good morning america. some reporter broad was commenting on the hearing. then she was asked by the black chick "so what's the difference between hgh and steriods..?".....and this was her response....
"well hgh is synthetic which is made in the body. it is used more for muscle definition. but steriods are much worse, they are made in a lab and is for building muscle mass. yeah hgh is for definition and steriods are for mass"......
man I just had to turn the channel.
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Ok and why don't we see thousands of bodybuilders with dangerous health problems?
Several reasons.
The time frames can be quite long - we'll see over the next decade as the first generation of guys who probably used high doses of HGH head towards 50 or 60.
Second, oncogene expression would most probably be dependent on various factors; including an individual's 'genetic' predisposition and also exposure (or in this case dose).
Third, these are complex cellular processes - these above papers are based on empirical experimentation -- any such 'link' is certainly not fact. Note that we are talking about hormones that stimulate gene expression - and that is the molecular basis of cancer. There is clearly some risk.
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Several reasons.
The time frames can be quite long - we'll see over the next decade as the first generation of guys who probably used high doses of HGH head towards 50 or 60.
Second, oncogene expression would most probably be dependent on various factors; including an individual's 'genetic' predisposition and also exposure (or in this case dose).
Third, these are complex cellular processes - these above papers are based on empirical experimentation -- any such 'link' is certainly not fact. Note that we are talking about hormones that stimulate gene expression - and that is the molecular basis of cancer. There is clearly some risk.
====Dennis Newman
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Do bodybuilders ever used HGH alone?
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alright. this is what I heard this morning in good morning america. some reporter broad was commenting on the hearing. then she was asked by the black chick "so what's the difference between hgh and steriods..?".....and this was her response....
"well hgh is synthetic which is made in the body. it is used more for muscle definition. but steriods are much worse, they are made in a lab and is for building muscle mass. yeah hgh is for definition and steriods are for mass"......
man I just had to turn the channel.
*ugh*
This is the problem - the people in charge of spreading the misinformation have more resources and media access than those who would rather educate and inform the public.
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Do bodybuilders ever used HGH alone?
No, but little old ladies do...by prescription, no less.
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*ugh*
This is the problem - the people in charge of spreading the misinformation have more resources and media access than those who would rather educate and inform the public.
no shit....
its all about what the teleprmpter says tre. there is no "research" on behalf of these reporters. they spat dribble heard in the local starbucks....
this is a major problem with 24 hour news channels. you need "filler" info....and "filler" jackasses to read it
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Politician's need to justify their jobs so they do so by picking something that the public can perceive as dangerous. Doesn't matter of it is or not. Then they can get reelected. They are the good guys and they are saving lives.
Nail hit on head.....ding,ding,ding
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So what is a "sleeping tumor"??
You tell us...you stated that HGH wakes up sleeping tumors.
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You tell us...you stated that HGH wakes up sleeping tumors.
Are you stupid?? care to read more than one sentence? I also see that rethorical flowers will die because they won't get any water on getbig. ::)
So what is a "sleeping tumor"??
It's a tumor that you HAVE, but it doesn't grow anymore.
Look above post for example.
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Are you stupid?? care to read more than one sentence? I also see that rethorical flowers will die because they won't get any water on getbig. ::)
Nah...I've got a short attention span. ;D
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But we are NOT talking about Smoking, why are you so interested to always point out the danger of other drugs we well
know and deny the obvious dangers of Steroids?
Doesn't make you look very smart Champ ::)
He's pointing out other dangers in rec drugs, ciggerettes and alcohol because idiots like you run wild on this forum parading against steroids, meanwhile there are far worse and more dangerous drugs in your own bathroom cuboard that you use on a regular basis such as asperine and tylenol. To carve and belittle steroids while turning a blind eye to the other dozens of perscription drugs, rec drugs, booze that people use on a regular basis makes you look like a hypocrite.