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Title: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 10:51:34 AM
Denver,... Power going out at the polls ::) WTF... Power out at the polls??? Poll books of register voters were not ready and they ran out of provisional ballots...  Voter suppression in full swing... ::) lines are 300+ long with people leaving...  Surprise surprise surprise....
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 240 is Back on November 07, 2006, 11:09:27 AM
Get some pics of this.  Won't be rich white guys in ties who are waiting 3 hours in lines.  it'll be minority women with children.  I'd love to be wrong on this, but the system is designed to break down in ceratin areas.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 07, 2006, 12:02:13 PM
but the system is designed to break down in ceratin areas.

Yeh, i'm sure it is you nutcase! :-\
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 12:13:51 PM
Polling areas now have lines 3 CITY blocks long :-\ no word on an extention yet but dems are trying to get one.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 07, 2006, 12:16:18 PM
Aren't you concerned about 240's inside information?

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the system is designed to break down in ceratin areas

Who does 240 associate with? The CIA, Mi6, Mr. Bush himself? ???
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 12:24:12 PM
Aren't you concerned about 240's inside information?

Who does 240 associate with? The CIA, Mi6, Mr. Bush himself? ???
Nordic, that's actually based on some past evidence of documented voter suppression... It's not a big revelation over here, its got a well documented history so 240's statement isn't shocking by any means.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 240 is Back on November 07, 2006, 12:25:03 PM
Yeh, i'm sure it is you nutcase! :-\

I invite you to show me contradictory data.  Namecalling shows desperation on your part.  I made a statement that long lines and other problems happen more in Dem voting areas, with poorer voters.  If I am wrong, please show me.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 12:34:05 PM
Nordic, like I said there is a long history of voter suppression here... Take a look at these:

(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=16646_ballots2.jpg)(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=16645_ballots.jpg)
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 12:36:46 PM
Denver,... Power going out at the polls ::) WTF... Power out at the polls??? Poll books of register voters were not ready and they ran out of provisional ballots...  Voter suppression in full swing... ::) lines are 300+ long with people leaving...  Surprise surprise surprise....

Jeez..here we go ::)!

Your in Denver? Were going snowboarding (I think Vale) for New Years :D!!
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
Jeez..here we go ::)!

Your in Denver? Were going snowboarding (I think Vale) for New Years :D!!
Are we hooking up and having some beers ;D
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 07, 2006, 12:40:14 PM
I invite you to show me contradictory data.  Namecalling shows desperation on your part.  I made a statement that long lines and other problems happen more in Dem voting areas, with poorer voters.  If I am wrong, please show me.

::) Desperate for what? I couldn't care less, but your giganticly extreme statements just make me question your sanity!

Berserker... interesting, there's got to be more to it surely tho? Why no public outcry?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 12:40:50 PM
Are we hooking up and having some beers ;D

I'm always up for a beer  8)!!
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 240 is Back on November 07, 2006, 12:43:15 PM
Nordic, like I said there is a long history of voter suppression here... Take a look at these:

(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=16646_ballots2.jpg)(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=16645_ballots.jpg)

Nordic called me a nutcase when I pointd out that the system breaks down in certain areas.

Nordic, do you consider it a monster coincidence that non-counted ballots are incredibly higher in minority neighborhoods?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 07, 2006, 12:50:08 PM
Wait...

Let's do some boolean algebra for a moment...

What's the result of the following:

('broken down' == 'not counted') == [true/false]

240, can you please answer this?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 01:06:09 PM
Lines are now 4 blocks long ::)
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 01:07:22 PM
I'm always up for a beer  8)!!
Well let me know, maybe we'll truce for a bit and put a couple down.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
Wait...

Let's do some boolean algebra for a moment...

What's the result of the following:

('broken down' == 'not counted') == [true/false]

240, can you please answer this?
I just posted that to show intent.  I had posted the charts earlier and they were easy to grab.  Voter suppression does have a long history in America.

In the U.S. presidential election of 2004, Ohio officials allegedly mis-allocated voting machines to reduce Democratic turnout. (With too few voting machines per registered voter, in areas heavily populated by African Americans who were Democratic, had to wait in line for hours. Republican districts received many more voting machines per capita.)

Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 07, 2006, 01:17:10 PM
Right, but my point was "breaking down" is not the same as allocation issues etc.

240 has to sensationalise EVERYTHING!

He's a goddamn muzzie i tells yah!
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 01:34:40 PM
Right, but my point was "breaking down" is not the same as allocation issues etc.

240 has to sensationalise EVERYTHING!

He's a goddamn muzzie i tells yah!
Right... And I explained why I tossed up those pics... Just because they show intent...  It's not so easy to graph the guy who's calling up voters and saying, "if you vote today, I'll turn you into the FBI or whatever..."  Even the robocalls happening like crazy are a form of voter suppression but I doubt I could find some chart to illustrate it.  Plenty of stories and cases of these robocalls happening, the purpose to either piss off people and get them to switch their vote or not vote.  There are so many, dozens maybe hundreds of things that are done to suppress the vote... The FBI spends a great deal of time looking into these cases and they do happen... Like I said we do have a long history of it so it's not surpising to hear 240 say that... It does happen... no conspiracy there.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 01:37:24 PM
Ken Mehlman is on CNN right now saying the exact same thing directed at dems  ::) that 240 said above... Exactly but it's dems from his perspective doing it... So if the head of the RNC can say it, it shouldn't be a shock from 240. 
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Cavalier22 on November 07, 2006, 01:53:50 PM
both sides cheat
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 02:05:22 PM
both sides cheat
Is there something wrong with not wanting that to be?  Is there something wrong with just wanting everyone's vote to count and the will of the people on election day accurately heard?  That's all I want...
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 02:48:22 PM
THE FIX IS IN.... Voting Extention DENIED in DENVER....
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 02:50:14 PM
THE FIX IS IN.... Voting Extention DENIED in DENVER....

I just heard, why is fixed...because the Dems got shot down?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 02:58:09 PM
Why would Republican argue against an extention in court with so many problems occuring resulting in lines up to 4 blocks long?  WHY would a republican lawyer stand in court and argue against that?

BiOtch Judge Sheila Rappaport
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 240 is Back on November 07, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
If, for example, polls opened two hours late because of power being down...

why would ANY American not support keeping the polls open later?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 03:01:58 PM
I just heard, why is fixed...because the Dems got shot down?
Yea, of course i'm beefing my case ;D I have no idea if she's paid off... But it's a little fucked considering the circumstances... I think it's the only ruling so far that didn't allow an extention where there was massive problems...  A little fucked up and very well could show the bitches bias.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
Yea, republicans actually argued against keeping the polls open longer in Denver even though many of the polling places got a very late start... Why would you argue against having everybody's vote count... Even you have to say this is just fucked up Intenseone.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 03:11:10 PM
It doesn't really matter, just heard the latest exit polls.....it isn't looking too good for us :'(!!
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 03:21:49 PM
It doesn't really matter, just heard the latest exit polls.....it isn't looking too good for us :'(!!
I know, it sound really bad... The dems clearly were able to nationalize the election...  corruption and Iraq being huge on people's minds but I still think there is a big chance we do not win... All this will be a different tune tonight, watch... Rove has something up, I guarantee it... You'll be rubbing it in tomorrow... But if it does go our way, I promise, I won't be rubbing it in... It's not football and I know how bad it sucks ass to have the guys you want to win lose... ;D
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 03:49:25 PM
CNN reports on several of the problems seen in Hacking Democracy being reported by people... Switching votes on screens or on final check screens... This morning it looks like Dems are winning... exit polls are shockingly favoring dems... all this could be different by tonight.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 04:07:37 PM
I know, it sound really bad... The dems clearly were able to nationalize the election...  corruption and Iraq being huge on people's minds but I still think there is a big chance we do not win... All this will be a different tune tonight, watch... Rove has something up, I guarantee it... You'll be rubbing it in tomorrow... But if it does go our way, I promise, I won't be rubbing it in... It's not football and I know how bad it sucks ass to have the guys you want to win lose... ;D

I don't know what Rove can do at this point.......if he pulls this off then he truly is a political genious. I'm just thinking by Thursday the Dems would have already raised taxes, cut the military budget and pulling our troops out in defeat and the worst..........Nancy Polosi will be third in line for the Presidency....oh God I feel nausious....BBBBbbbbaaaa aaaaarrrrrrrrrrfffffffff f!
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 04:29:56 PM
I don't know what Rove can do at this point.......if he pulls this off then he truly is an evil bastard. I'm just thinking by Thursday the Dems would have already raised taxes, cut the military budget and pulling our troops out in defeat and the worst..........Nancy Polosi will be third in line for the Presidency....oh God I feel nausious....BBBBbbbbaaaa aaaaarrrrrrrrrrfffffffff f!
Int, be honest, are you worried about paying a little more taxes?  Dems have really moved away from the idea of big government in favor of smaller smarter government.  I'm sure there are some holdouts but the trend is definitely away from big gov while the trend for reps is toward big government.  Increased taxes and a few cuts bringing us back to a balanced budget is not all that bad of a thing.  I will tell you you're wrong about defense spending... They will not cut it... It would be a suicide statement for the presidential election.  Pure suicide, they're not stupid.... also they will not try to impeach the president... If the next couple years are attacks against Bush, they'll have Bush looking like a victim by the time the election comes and they'll elect another republican in a backlash on dems.  They will be content with putting some hold on Bush's constitutional powergrab and taking away the republican blind rubber stamp of the last several years.  It won't be as bad as you think, just as bad as Rush tells you it is on a daily basis...
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 04:38:34 PM
Int, be honest, are you worried about paying a little more taxes?  Dems have really moved away from the idea of big government in favor of smaller smarter government.  I'm sure there are some holdouts but the trend is definitely away from big gov while the trend for reps is toward big government.  Increased taxes and a few cuts bringing us back to a balanced budget is not all that bad of a thing.  I will tell you you're wrong about defense spending... They will not cut it... It would be a suicide statement for the presidential election.  Pure suicide, they're not stupid.... also they will not try to impeach the president... If the next couple years are attacks against Bush, they'll have Bush looking like a victim by the time the election comes and they'll elect another republican in a backlash on dems.  They will be content with putting some hold on Bush's constitutional powergrab and taking away the republican blind rubber stamp of the last several years.  It won't be as bad as you think, just as bad as Rush tells you it is on a daily basis...

The thing is it won't be just "a little" taxes, right now I'm paying a total of almost 38% including my self-employment tax, the Dems already consider the rich as people with a HOUSEHOLD income of around 100K, I ALMOST double that and in California 100k doesn't get far.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 04:50:22 PM
The thing is it won't be just "a little" taxes, right now I'm paying a total of almost 38% including my self-employment tax, the Dems already consider the rich as people with a HOUSEHOLD income of around 100K, I ALMOST double that and in California 100k doesn't get far.
WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT?  That is absolutely not true.  I'm in a similar boat as you, I have to also deal with self employment tax.  You will not be largely effected and I'm willing to bet on it.  Trust me, the most targeted group will be the top 1% and you're not there and if you were, privately, you wouldn't give a shit either... I know publicly they have a huge panic attack but come on, how many extra billions does one need laying around the house...  Trust me, a balance budget will come back your pocket and it will mean a whole lot to the future... You don't want to leave your kids with the debt Bush is racking up.  I promise it won't be as bad as you think... honest you're putting way to much faith in Rush/Hannity... I promise promise it won't it just wont... The parties are doing a lot of flipping... If Dems were spending 15-20 years ago like Reps are now you'd be freaking on them and rightfully so...  It will pay off and you can't deny that when you have a hole branch chucking their checks and balances stamp for a presidential rubber stamp, it's going to be good to at least get some balance of power back... If it happens... give it a chance... 


 If it happens, I'll be able to pic back up on 2nd amendment issues with dems who have anti-gun tendencies which I pretty much dropped when they lost all power.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 05:11:35 PM
Colorado Election a COMPLETE MOCKERY...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/elections/article/0,2808,DRMN_24736_5125517,00.html
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 24KT on November 07, 2006, 05:14:26 PM
I really like this exchange between Berserker  & I-One. You guys are actually getting real with each other instead of all the name calling.

We all know how I want it to go.  :P If the Dems take back Congress & the Senate, ...there could be some harsh repercussions for Canada. We all know that up here, ...but we're still hoping for it anyway.

Short term pain is preferable to the long drawn out global nightmare we'd see otherwise.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: OzmO on November 07, 2006, 05:18:39 PM
It doesn't really matter, just heard the latest exit polls.....it isn't looking too good for us :'(!!

Yeah,  but it's looking great for the rest of the nation isn't?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: OzmO on November 07, 2006, 05:19:37 PM
I don't know what Rove can do at this point.......if he pulls this off then he truly is a political genious. I'm just thinking by Thursday the Dems would have already raised taxes, cut the military budget and pulling our troops out in defeat and the worst..........Nancy Polosi will be third in line for the Presidency....oh God I feel nausious....BBBBbbbbaaaa aaaaarrrrrrrrrrfffffffff f!

Yeah,  Rove is probably having a hard time lying about the truth.

ANNNNND   if they cut the military budget it will be solely due to the billions in debt the Iraq war got us.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 24KT on November 07, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
Yeah,  but it's looking great for the rest of the nation isn't?

{ROTFLMAO}  Don't forget... the world.  ;D
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: OzmO on November 07, 2006, 05:21:18 PM
The thing is it won't be just "a little" taxes, right now I'm paying a total of almost 38% including my self-employment tax, the Dems already consider the rich as people with a HOUSEHOLD income of around 100K, I ALMOST double that and in California 100k doesn't get far.

No arguement there,  Hope you are incorporated  :P,

But really, one way or another 100K+ gets seriously taxed no matter what.
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: 24KT on November 07, 2006, 05:34:24 PM
What would be the tax rate in California for someone making $100K monthly?
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Debussey on November 07, 2006, 05:35:26 PM
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Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 06:08:24 PM
Rick Santorum is gone gone.... bye bye, hated that guy...  He probably killed himself with that ad where he knocks out the pro wrestler.  :D That was worse than riding around in a tank ;D
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 07, 2006, 06:12:12 PM
Rick Santorum is gone gone.... bye bye, hated that guy...  He probably killed himself with that ad where he knocks out the pro wrestler.  :D That was worse than riding around in a tank ;D

Did Santorum lose too??
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 06:38:06 PM
Did Santorum lose too??
Yes
Title: Re: neoconrovians are already starting to cheat surprise surprise
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 07, 2006, 06:40:29 PM
But you guys picked up Liberman... I know he says he will caucus with the dems, but I'm calling BS on that statement :-\