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OBAMA CAUGHT ON HOT MIC: TELLS RUSSIAN PM HE‘LL HAVE MORE ’FLEXIBILITY‘ ’AFTER MY ELECTION’
ABC’s Jake Tapper has a stunning report out of Seoul, South Korea this morning. According to him, President Obama was caught on a hot mic telling Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev that if given “space,” he’ll have more flexibility “after my election.”
Here’s how Tapper puts it:
At the tail end of his 90 minute meeting with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev Monday, President Obama said that he would have “more flexibility” to deal with controversial issues such as missile defense, but incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin needs to give him “space.”
The exchange was picked up by microphones as reporters were let into the room for remarks by the two leaders.
And here’s the exchange:
President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.
President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…
President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.
President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.
A senior administration official tried to brush it aside in a statement to ABC: “this is a political year in which the Russians just had an election, we’re about to have a presidential and congressional elections — this is not the kind of year in which we’re going to resolve incredibly complicated issue like this. So there’s an advantage to pulling back and letting the technical experts work on this as the president has been saying.”
Fox News has the official statement from the White House:
Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, said the U.S. is “committed” to implementing the missile defense system, “which we’ve repeatedly said is not aimed at Russia.”
“However, given the longstanding difference between the U.S. and Russia on this issue, it will take time and technical work before we can try to reach an agreement,” he said in a statement.
“Since 2012 is an election year in both countries, with an election and leadership transition in Russia and an election in the United States, it is clearly not a year in which we are going to achieve a breakthrough.
Therefore, President Obama and President Medvedev agreed that it was best to instruct our technical experts to do the work of better understanding our respective positions, providing space for continued discussions on missile defense cooperation going forward.”
This isn’t the first time Obama has been caught on a hot mic. In November he was overheard blasting Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to French President Sarkozy. Additionally, Vice President Joe Biden was heard telling Obama the health care bill was a “big fu**ing deal” after that legislation passed.
The latter was just turned into a t-shirt by the Obama campaign.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-caught-on-hot-mic-tells-russian-pm-hell-have-more-flexibility-after-my-election/
Got to laugh at all the fools who prefer a second Obama term where he doesn't have to worry about reelection to putting one of the GOP chumps in there where they'll have to worry about reelection.
Expect President Downgrade the Usurper to get many times worse should he win reelection.
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:). Any doubt left he is a communist traitor and an evil monster? Every disgusting commie rat who votes for this is just as bad as him, probably worse in fact.
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Dude needs to go. Now.
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:o
Dude needs to go. Now.
;D :)
Who cares? Palin farted last week and fluke can't get her rubbers paid for. Priorities dude.
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Do any of yo fucking morons believe that this is the only issue obama is pulling shit like this on?
Wake up your communist scumbags! u
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Obama asks Russia for 'space' through election [Disgusting: Obama caught on audio selling out USA]
Politico ^ | 3/26/2012 | Jennifer Epstein
President Barack Obama offered a private request Monday to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for some “space” on missile defense ahead of November’s elections.
“On all these issues, particularly on missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space,” Obama said, referring to incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a TV pool reporter who heard audio recorded by a Russian reporter who was in the room moments before the two leaders spoke to reporters after their 90-minute meeting.
“Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you,” Medvedev responded.
A U.S. pool video camera in the room caught part of the audio, but not the piece about missile defense.
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Come on guys...your all nuts, Barry loves America, nothing to see here, move along. Hope and change...unicorns and butterlies.......
He sucks....yet another reason why he sucks and I'll assume the leftwing nutbags here will all defend this or ignore it.
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Come on guys...your all nuts, Barry loves America, nothing to see here, move along. Hope and change...unicorns and butterlies.......
He sucks....yet another reason why he sucks and I'll assume the leftwing nutbags here will all defend this or ignore it.
If this communist traitor gets a second term - expect shit like this every day.
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Hot mic: Obama begs Russians for ‘space’ on missile defense talks
President blames election woes in private entreaty caught on tape
By Dave Boyer
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The Washington Times
Monday, March 26, 2012
Unaware that a microphone was recording him, President Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday for breathing room until after Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign to negotiate on missile defense.Related Stories
SEOUL — Unaware that a microphone was recording him, President Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday for breathing room until after Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign to negotiate on missile defense.
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,” Mr. Obama told Mr. Medvedev at the end of their 90-minute meeting, apparently referring to incoming Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Mr. Medvedev replied, “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…”
“This is my last election,” Mr. Obama said. “After my election, I have more flexibility.”
The Russian leader responded, “I understand. I transmit this information to Vladimir.”
The exchange was picked up by microphone of a Russian reporter as journalists were allowed into the meeting room for remarks by the two leaders. It was first reported by ABC News, which said it verified the conversation. A Washington Times reporter heard a portion of the tape that begins with Mr. Obama saying, “This is my last election.”
The two leaders are in Seoul for a nuclear security summit involving the heads of more than 50 nations. Mr. Obama and Mr. Medvedev were huddling close together in their respective chairs when the conversation took place.
White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes, who attended the meeting, at first said he didn’t hear the exchange and couldn’t comment on it. Within an hour, however, Mr. Rhodes issued a statement via email that said the U.S. “is committed to implementing our missile defense system, which we’ve repeatedly said is not aimed at Russia.”
“However, given the longstanding difference between the U.S. and Russia on this issue, it will take time and technical work before we can try to reach an agreement,” Mr. Rhodes said. “Since 2012 is an election year in both countries, with an election and leadership transition in Russia and an election in the United States, it is clearly not a year in which we are going to achieve a breakthrough. Therefore, President Obama and President Medvedev agreed that it was best to instruct our technical experts to do the work of better understanding our respective positions, providing space for continued discussions on missile defense cooperation going forward.”
The image of Mr. Obama putting off a difficult national security question due to re-election concerns is the opposite of what the White House intended for this trip. Mr. Obama’s first event upon landing in Korea on Sunday was to visit the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South Korea for a photo-op of him gazing across no-man’s land at a forward Army observation post.
Mr. Medvedev told reporters that he believes missile defense talks between the two countries “could be more active.”
“I believe we still have time; time hasn’t run out,” Mr. Medvedev said. “And now we need to discuss and cooperate on various aspects on European missile defense. Now, in my view, time has come for discussions between technical aspects and, of course, we remain at our own positions, both the United States and Russian Federation.”
When he knew he was speaking for the microphones, Mr. Obama said only, “We’ve got more work to do between our two countries. Dmitry identified some areas of continued friction — missile defense being an example. And what we’ve agreed to is to make sure that our teams, at a technical level, are in discussions about how some of these issues can be resolved.”
The U.S. and its NATO allies are pursuing a missile defense shield, while Russia objects that it would compromise its security. Mr. Rhodes said the U.S. has continuously told the Russians that the shield is not being developed as a defense against Russia, and that the two nations should move forward on a broad range of nuclear weapons issues rather than bog down over the shield issue.
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Dang. :-\ Any doubt that this man will be dangerous as a lame duck?
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Dang. :-\ Any doubt that this man will be dangerous as a lame duck?
He has been this dangerous since his election!
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http://www.businessinsider.com/whoops-president-obama-caught-on-mic-telling-russian-president-that-things-will-change-after-he-wins-re-election-2012-3
DEFEND THIS YOU AFRO-COMMUNISTS SUPPORTING OBAMA!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/nuclear-summit-barack-obama-medvedev_n_1379422.html#comments
These freaking communist traitors on the left deserve to be nuked
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/nuclear-summit-barack-obama-medvedev_n_1379422.html#comments
These freaking communist traitors on the left deserve to be nuked
Good idea nuke half of the US ;)
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Good idea nuke half of the US ;)
Agreed. The communist left deserves to be vaporized.
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Turner to Obama:
What Flexibility?
House leader challenges Obama on missile defense ‘flexibility’ promise
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BY: Bill Gertz - March 26, 2012 1:19 pm
http://freebeacon.com/turner-to-obama-what-flexibility
A senior House Republican on Monday accused President Obama of going back on promises he would not weaken U.S. missile defenses through negotiations with Russia after the president was overheard promising more concessions after his reelection.
Rep. Michael R. Turner (R., Ohio), chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee on strategic forces, sought an explanation for the overheard comments made by the president Monday in a discussion in Seoul with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev.
Obama told the outgoing Russian president that “this is my last election and after my election I’ll have more flexibility” regarding contentious missile defense talks with Moscow that have been underway for the past three years.
“Congress has made exquisitely clear to your administration and to other nations that it will block all attempts to weaken U.S. missile defense,” Turner stated in the letter. “As the chairman of the strategic forces subcommittee, which authorizes U.S. missile defense and nuclear weapons policy, I want to make perfectly clear that my colleagues and I will not allow any attempts to trade missile defense of the United States to Russia or any other country.”
Turner noted that during the December 2010 ratification debate over the New START arms treaty with Russia the president made specific promises that Russia’s opposition to U.S. missile defenses would not impact U.S. plans to deploy both short- and medium-range missile defenses in Europe and elsewhere.
Additionally, the president promised to make both “qualitative and quantitative improvements in its missile defenses,” Turner said.
“You have already walked away from detailed promises to modernize the U.S. nuclear deterrent; are you now planning to walk away from your promises regarding U.S. missile defense as well?” Turner asked.
Amid concerns that the administration planned to share highly classified missile defense secrets with Russia in an effort to assuage Moscow’s fears that U.S. defenses will target its missiles, the defense authorization bill signed into law by the president contains a provision that limits the president’s ability to share classified data with Russia.
“Congress took this step because it was clear based on official testimony and administration comments in the press that classified information about U.S. missile defenses, including hit-to-kill technology and velocity at burnout information, may be on the table as negotiating leverage for your reset with Russia,” Turner said, noting that the president said he may treat the limit as nonbinding when he signed the defense bill into law.
The comments in Seoul, in addition to the signing statement, “suggests that you and your administration have plans for U.S. missile defenses that you believe will not stand up to electoral scrutiny,” Turner said.
Turner said Congress has made clear to the administration and to other nations that it will block all efforts by the administration to weaken missile defenses.
The subcommittee chairman added that as the chairman in charge of overseeing missile defenses and nuclear weapons policy, “I want to make perfectly clear that my colleagues and I will not allow any attempts to trade missile defense of the United States to Russia or any other country.”
The revealing comments by Obama followed a 90-minute meeting with Medvedev at the end of the nuclear security summit.
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space,” Obama said, referring to newly elected Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said.
A White House National Security Council spokesman had no immediate comment.
Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl criticized the president for promising concessions on missile defense.
In a statement, Kyl said that the president canceled plans for anti-ballistic missile systems in Poland and Czech Republic and supported langauge in the New START arms treaty that links missile defense to nuclear reductions.
“We know the administration is sharing information with Russia, including plans to deploy missile defenses in Europe,” Kyl said. “We know the president has significantly reduced funding and curtailed development of the U.S. national missile defense system, undermining our ability to effectively intercept long-range ballistic missiles. And we know the president has doubled-down on efforts to reduce our nuclear arsenal while failing to honor his promises to modernize the aging nuclear weapons complex.”
However, Kyl said what is unknown is what Obama has planned for after the election after gaining the reported “flexibility” in dealing with Moscow.
“Perhaps the Russians, in whom President Obama recently confided, could shed some light on his missile defense plans for the American people who otherwise have been left in the dark by this president,” Kyl said.
Deputy national security adviser for strategic communications Ben Rhodes told ABC News after the comments that the president was referring to reaching an accommodation with Moscow and that “there is a lot of rhetoric around this issue — there always is — in both countries.”
Putin told reporters last month prior to his election as president that lengthy talks with the United States on European missile defense had failed because U.S. negotiators were unwilling to codify oral proposals made in the talks as part of a formal agreement.
“They made some proposals to us which we virtually agreed to and asked them to get them down on paper,” Putin told foreign news editors Feb. 2.
“They made a proposal to us just during the talks, they told us: we would offer you this, this and that. We did not expect this, but I said: we agree. Please put it down on paper. We were waiting for their answer for two months. We did not get it, and then our American partners withdrew their own proposals, saying: no, it’s impossible.”
The proposals included guarantees that U.S. and NATO missile defenses would not be directed at Russia’s missiles.
Additionally, U.S. negotiators, according to Putin, offered the ability to conduct round-the-clock monitoring of anti-missile systems and radar to make sure they were fixed toward Iran and unable to target Russia.
“This would not change the situation dramatically, but we said: okay, it’s already something, we agree. Put it down on paper. But they refused,” Putin said.
The comments contradict the statements of Ellen Tauscher, former undersecretary of state for international security, who denied that she and other U.S. officials had offered concessions to Moscow on missile defenses that would legally constrain U.S. defenses.
Tauscher, who has since stepped down, drafted a missile defense agreement that was to be signed at the May 2011 summit of G-8 leaders in Deauville, France. However, White House lawyers pulled the draft agreement before it could be signed over concerns it would be interpreted by Moscow as containing provisions on U.S. systems that would be legally binding.
The Obama administration in 2009 rejected a plan by the George W. Bush administration to deploy long-range interceptor missiles in Eastern Europe that would be used to protect the United States from missile attacks from Iran.
Instead, the administration has developed what it calls a Phased Adaptive Approach for Europe that involves less-capable SM-3 missile defense interceptors that will not be capable of protecting the U.S. homeland from missile attack for at least a decade from now.
The concession was designed to coax Russia into an agreement on missile defense. Instead, Russia has responded by threatening to deploy advanced short-range nuclear-capable missiles in western Russia.
A senior Republican aide told the Free Beacon that Obama’s comments were distressing.
“If there was any doubt how dangerous Barack Obama would be for America’s security in a second term, the president put all uncertainty to rest today,” said the source, who closely tracks foreign policy matters. “The president just told us that he is itching to hand over America’s most secret missile defense data to a country that is arming Syria and fueling Iran’s Bushehr reactor—and he would do it today but for his re-election concerns. With no political constraints in a second term, who knows what Obama will do.”
The adviser also said Obama’s remarks should cause concern among pro-Israel forces in America.
“If this is what the president’s promising the Russians on missile defense, God only knows what he’s promising Arab leaders about Israel,” noted the souce. “If you think Barack Obama was bad for Israel in term one, put your seatbelt on and get ready for term two.”
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Agreed. The communist left deserves to be vaporized.
That means people you know, neighbours & kids etc...Fellow americans
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Ah......most of the people I live around are NRA members and all hate Obama. Nobody is as bad as this guy.
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That means people you know, neighbours & kids etc...Fellow americans
Tough shit - but I would give them a chance to move to north korea or cuba first. After that? VAPORIZED!
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So why sit here on Getbig why not do something about it? All that rage cant be good for your mental/physical health ;)
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So why sit here on Getbig why not do something about it? All that rage cant be good for your mental/physical health ;)
I tried warning all the morons in 2008 before the election and have been trying since. But gullible idiots like yourself who have no education or understanding of history are suckers for this communist traitors' empty vapid lies.
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So why sit here on Getbig why not do something about it? All that rage cant be good for your mental/physical health ;)
The hate keeps us warm!!!!
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I tried warning all the morons in 2008 before the election and have been trying since. But gullible idiots like yourself who have no education or understanding of history are suckers for this communist traitors' empty vapid lies.
Well im glad your here fighting the good cause
When will you strike back against these monsters..?
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Must be more of that hope & change.
Yes....you morons did!
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/obamas-hint-to-medvedev-rattles-poland
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Obama's Hint To Medvedev Rattles Poland
Obama's Republican rivals aren't the only ones alarmed by his hot mic suggestion that missile defense — implicitly, defending Eastern Europe from Russia — could be softened after his re-election. The headline in the largest Polish tabloid, Fakt: “Were they trading Poland? Puzzling Obama talk with Medvedev about the missile shield.” posted Mar 26, 2012 5:01pm EDT
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does anyone believe that obama won't do. The same thing to Israel next term?
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I'm really at a loss here. Has Obama gotten any concessions from any of the countries he loves giving away shit to? What reciprocity have the Russians shown in the last 3 years because I can't think of a single thing.
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I'm really at a loss here. Has Obama gotten any concessions from any of the countries he loves giving away shit to? What reciprocity have the Russians shown in the last 3 years because I can't think of a single thing.
That is not. His motivation!!!
Obama is a communist for fucks sake and trying to right wrongs of the past in his demented mind!
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Obama makes light of, clarifies hot mic moment
FoxNews.com ^ | March 26, 2012 | Kimberly Schwandt
Posted on March 27, 2012 2:41:46 AM EDT by Hunton Peck
President Obama made light Tuesday of the hot microphone moment he had the day earlier with Russian President Medvedev, where he said that after the November election, he'd have more "flexibility" on the issue of missile defense.
Just as leaders were greeting one another and about to sit down at the opening session of the Nuclear Security Summit, Obama spotted Medvedev, looks over at him, puts his hands over the microphone in front of him with a big smile, and then goes to greet the Russian president.
Obama was asked about the "flexibility" statement later while making remarks to the press about a nuclear safety agreement, and said "Arms control is extraordinarily complex, very technical, and the only way it gets done is if you can consult and build a strong basis of understanding both between countries as well as within countries."
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...he also noted the START treaty took them two years to get ratified.
"I don't think it's any surprise that you can't start that a few months before a presidential and congressional elections in the United States and at a time when they just completed elections in Russia, and they're in the process of a presidential transition where a new president's going to be coming in a little less than two months," he added.
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"[T]he only way I get this stuff done is if I'm consulting with the Pentagon, if I'm consulting with Congress, if I've got bipartisan support, and frankly the current environment is not conducive to those kinds of thoughtful consultations. I think the stories you guys have been writing over the last 24 hours is probably pretty good evidence of that," Obama said.
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Unfuking real.
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What other plans does the Usurper have stashed away that he'll introduce if reelected? :-\
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What other plans does the Usurper have stashed away that he'll introduce if reelected? :-\
Another thread the leftists avoid like the plague.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/obama-defends-missile-defense-comments-hot-mic
Unreal. This arrogant communist traitor and kenyan ghetto thug must be defeated.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/218319-obama-im-not-hiding-the-ball-on-defense-shield-talks-with-russia
Notice how 240, Lurker, Straw, Blackass, Andre, Benny, and the Kneepad Train are nowhere to be found?
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/27/obama-makes-light-of-open-mic-gaffe/?iref=allsearch
What a prick. Corrupt, communist, incompetent ghetto jive-talking marxist.
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The terrible truth told by Obama's open mic slip
Fox News ^ | 3/27/12 | Christian Whiton
President Obama just gave the world a glimpse into his future foreign policy plans this week, should he win a second term. On tap for Obama II: more faith in our adversaries, more betrayal of our traditional allies and more unilateral indulgence in nuclear abolition fantasies.
Monday, President Obama told Russian President Medvedev that “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.” Medvedev responded that he would dutifully report that tidbit to Vladimir Putin back in the Kremlin. The men apparently did not realize their discussion was being caught by a live microphone.
Given that the two were talking about missile defense, the implication was clear enough. In order to please Russia, President Obama will use a second term to weaken further the peaceful, purely defensive systems that can defend the U.S. and our allies from missile attacks.
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What Will Obama Give Russia If He's Re-elected?
Townhall.com ^ | March 28, 2012 | Terry Jeffrey
President Barack Obama would like to do some things for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and President-elect Vladimir Putin that he does not want American voters to know about before they decide whether to re-elect him in November.
That was the intended-to-be-secret message Obama gave Medvedev in South Korea on Monday. But Obama was caught delivering the message on tape -- and, no matter how the liberal media try to spin it, the moment is destined to become emblematic of Obama as a man and as a president.
"On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved. But it's important for him to give me space,'' Obama told Medvedev -- the "him" being Putin.
"Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space," said Medvedev. "Space for you --"
"'This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility," said Obama.
"Yeah. Yeah. I understand," said Medvedev. "I will transmit this information to Vladimir. I understand."
A little context is needed here.
The last time Obama ran for president, the incumbent, George W. Bush, was advancing a plan to place a ballistic missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland. The system would include a radar system in the Czech Republic and 10 advanced interceptor missiles in Poland. The Bush administration intended the system to give the United States the ability to knock down missiles Iran might fire at U.S. allies and U.S. forces in Europe.
Obama, ever mindful of voters -- including those of Eastern European ancestry -- clinging to their guns, their religion, and their belief that defending yourself and your friends against a missile attack is morally superior to launching a missile attack, was wary of flat-out opposing a defense against Iranian missiles.
On June 16, 2007, when the president of the Poland visited the United States, Obama sounded a mildly hawkish note.
"Since joining NATO in 1997," Obama said, "Poland has become one of America's most important strategic partners, dedicating troops and resources to our operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"We now have an opportunity to build on this long and deep relationship," Obama continued. "Here is how we can. ... The Bush administration has been developing plans to deploy interceptors and radar systems in Poland and the Czech Republic as part of a missile defense system designed to protect against the potential threat of Iranian nuclear armed missiles. If we can responsibly deploy missile defenses that would protect us and our allies we should, but only when the system works."
Obama said nothing then about not deploying the missile defense because he wanted to appease the Russians -- who opposed it. But then Obama was elected president.
In September 2009, more than three full years before his next election, but just a week before he was scheduled to meet with Russian President Medvedev, Obama announced he was scrapping the plan to deploy the anti-Iranian missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. He would replace it, he said, with a partially mobile missile-defense system that could be more quickly deployed.
Medvedev instantly hailed the "good conditions" Obama had created. "I am ready to continue our dialogue," he said.
Obama and Medvedev then negotiated the "New START," a treaty calling for modest reductions in deployed U.S. and Russian nuclear warheads and missiles.
Two years have passed, another election looms. Obama's administration is now advancing its own plan for a missile defense in Europe to protect against Iranian missiles.
In November, Medvedev announced that if the U.S. deployed this missile defense in Europe, the Russians would target it with offensive missiles deployed in Europe.
Earlier this month, Medvedev's ally, Putin, who has served as prime minister for the last four years, was elected to a third, non-consecutive term as Russia's president. Putin ran on a platform of naming Medvedev his prime minister. Medvedev had stepped aside to let Put lead the ticket.
In some ways, the Putin-Medvedev campaign sounded like a liberal campaign in the United States.
The Congressional Research Service reported that according to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which monitored the Russian elections, "Prime Minister Putin received an advantage in media coverage, and authorities mobilized local officials and resources to garner support for Putin."
"Besides these efforts," said CRS, "Putin boosted or promised large increases in military and government pay, pensions and student stipends."
Putin outlined his "election manifesto" in a series of seven newspaper articles, including one about what he understood "democracy" to mean.
"He defined this democracy in terms of the rights of Russians to employment, free health care and education, although he admitted that civil society recently had demanded more political participation," CRS reported.
It was to this once-and-future Russian president that outgoing Russian President and future Prime Minister Medvedev promised to bring Obama's message.
"After my election, I have more flexibility," Obama said.
"Yeah. Yeah. I understand," said an apparently sympathetic Medvedev. "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."
In his domestic politics, Obama is often profoundly disingenuous. But in his meeting with Medvedev, we may have caught a rare glimpse of our president expressing unfeigned empathy.
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What Is Obama Promising Putin in Exchange for 'Space'?
Breitbart.com/bigpeace ^ | 3-28-2012 | Tom Thurlow
Posted on March 28, 2012 8:22:41 PM EDT by reformedcrat
So what did this mean? Obviously what is being referred to is something that the American people might not want, otherwise it could be mentioned in public before the election. And why does Obama have to ask the Russians for any cooperation on this issue at all? That doesn’t sound like a strong negotiation approach to me, assuming it is a real negotiation and not just a big giveaway.
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Obama's gaffe reveals chilling plans for 2nd term
Times247 ^ | 03/29/12 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner
Posted on March 29, 2012 10:15:40 PM EDT by lward99
President Obama has done the country a favor: He has given a hint of what his second term would consist of. Unshackled by the need to be re-elected, Mr. Obama would unleash an all-out radical assault. His plan is to bring Trotskyism to America, thereby imposing a socialist revolution from above. America’s military will be gutted. Its private economy subordinated to a centralized, bureaucratic state. The nation transformed into a Third World basket case. And all of this will come with the Kremlin’s blessing.
At a security summit in South Korea, Mr. Obama was overheard speaking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. Both men did not realize the microphones were picking up their words. They were discussing a missile-defense system for Europe. Mr. Obama told Mr. Medvedev that he needs more time to resolve the issue.
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The ‘flexibility’ doctrine
By Charles Krauthammer, Published: March 29
“On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him [Vladimir Putin] to give me space. . . . This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”
— Barack Obama to Dmitry Medvedev, open mike, March 26
You don’t often hear an American president secretly (he thinks) assuring foreign leaders that concessions are coming their way, but they must wait because he’s seeking reelection and he dares not tell his own people.
Not at all, spun a White House aide in major gaffe-control mode. The president was merely explaining that arms control is too complicated to be dealt with in a year in which both Russia and the United States hold presidential elections.
Rubbish. First of all, to speak of Russian elections in the same breath as ours is a travesty. Theirs was a rigged, predetermined farce. Putin ruled before. Putin rules after.
Obama spoke of the difficulties of the Russian presidential “transition.” What transition? It’s a joke. It had no effect on Putin’s ability to negotiate anything.
As for the U.S. election, the problem is not that the issue is too complicated but that if people knew Obama’s intentions of flexibly caving on missile defense, they might think twice about giving him a second term.
After all, what is Obama doing negotiating on missile defense in the first place? We have no obligation to do so. The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, a relic of the Cold War, died in 2002.
We have an unmatched technological lead in this area. It’s a priceless strategic advantage that for three decades Russia has been trying to get us to yield. Why give any of it away?
To placate Putin, Obama had already in 2009 abruptly canceled the missile-defense system the Poles and Czechs had agreed to host in defiance of Russian threats. Why give away more?
It’s unfathomable. In trying to clean up the gaffe, Obama emphasized his intent to “reduce nuclear stockpiles” and “reduce reliance on nuclear weapons.” In which case, he should want to augment missile defenses, not weaken, dismantle or bargain them away. The fewer nukes you have for deterrence, the more you need nuclear defenses. If your professed goal is nuclear disarmament, as is Obama’s, eliminating defenses is completely illogical.
Nonetheless, Obama is telling the Russians not to worry, that once past “my last election” and no longer subject to any electoral accountability, he’ll show “more flexibility” on missile defense. It’s yet another accommodation to advance his cherished Russia “reset” policy.
Why? Hasn’t reset been failure enough?
Let’s do the accounting. In addition to canceling the Polish/Czech missile-defense system, Obama gave the Russians accession to the World Trade Organization, signed a START Treaty that they need and we don’t (their weapons are obsolete and deteriorating rapidly), and turned a scandalously blind eye to their violations of human rights and dismantling of democracy. Obama even gave Putin a congratulatory call for winning his phony election.
In return? Russia consistently watered down or obstructed sanctions on Iran, completed Iran’s nuclear reactor at Bushehr, provides to this day Bashar al-Assad with huge arms shipments used to massacre his own people (while rebuilding the Soviet-era naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus), conducted a virulently anti-American presidential campaign on behalf of Putin, pressured Eastern Europe and threatened Georgia.
On which of “all these issues” — Syria, Iran, Eastern Europe, Georgia, human rights — is Obama ready to offer Putin yet more flexibility as soon as he gets past his last election? Where else will he show U.S. adversaries more flexibility? Yet more aid to North Korea? More weakening of tough Senate sanctions against Iran?
Can you imagine the kind of pressure a reelected Obama will put on Israel, the kind of anxiety he will induce from Georgia to the Persian Gulf, the nervousness among our most loyal East European friends who, having been left out on a limb by Obama once before, are now wondering what new flexibility Obama will show Putin — the man who famously proclaimed that the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the 20th century was Russia’s loss of its Soviet empire?
They don’t know. We don’t know. We didn’t even know this was coming — until the mike was left open. Only Putin was to know. “I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev assured Obama.
Added Medvedev: “I stand with you.” A nice endorsement from Putin’s puppet, enough to chill friends and allies, democrats and dissidents, all over the world.
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Where's an Open Mic When We Really Need It? (0 in "cahoots with Russian regime")
Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/29/2012 | Martin Peretz
When President Obama blurted out to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he couldn't do serious business during an election year, the New York Times characterized it as a "moment of political candor." It seems to me, actually, to be a moment of political contempt—for the issues at hand as well as for the demos itself. Mr. Medvedev meanwhile was in familiar territory: Dissembling is the routine of the elected Russian dictatorship.
We are the big boys, Mr. Obama seemed to be telling Mr. Medvedev— or rather Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and I are, and you, Medvedev, are the messenger, to whom, as the newspaper photograph shows, I confide. "I will deliver this information to Vladimir," responded the second man in the Kremlin. Another news picture shows an image from the back, the two presidents walking together, the American chief executive with his big right hand firmly on his Russian junior partner's much slighter shoulder.
And what was the message to Vladimir? Mr. Obama was proffering the Russians "more flexibility" on missile defense, which he couldn't do, he said, in an election year.
But really the message, the important one, concerns us, here in America. It is that the American people can't be trusted if the president is honest with them about what he proposes. More bluntly, that the American people are not trusted by their own president. Otherwise the president would tell us the truth about his intentions. And here he is, admitting his distrust of his own people to a leader of a nasty foreign government that seeks to thwart our purposes in the Middle East and elsewhere. President Obama is in cahoots with the Russian regime against America's very body politic.
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Fucking hilarious, itd be a a neighbor with firearms(with which youve had problems) telling you you cant have a firearm to defend yourself, because theyre worried that if they decide to attack you, you may be able to fight back.
Why the fuck is this even on the board? I mean really, why are we letting Russia dictate our own defense systems that may be used to DEFEND US FROM THEM!?
"USA, we are worried that in the event we choose to launch Nuclear Missles at you, that you may be able to shoot them out of the sky. Therefore you need to dismantle them so we may have a higher chance of hitting you with our missles."
WTF!?
Only a fucking madman would even entertain this idea. The Russians must be laughing hard @ Obama. Meanwhile Obama probably actually thinks the Russians really like him and want to be his friend.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/218319-obama-im-not-hiding-the-ball-on-defense-shield-talks-with-russia
Notice how 240, Lurker, Straw, Blackass, Andre, Benny, and the Kneepad Train are nowhere to be found?
i can spin it, if youd like, for the sake of good discussion. of course, then you'll call me names.
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i can spin it, if youd like, for the sake of good discussion. of course, then you'll call me names.
Your silence until now on this while melting down on a local criminal case in florida speaks for itself.
No spin necessary. You have become an embarassment who sold his soul a long time ago.
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Obama Makes the Case For His Own Defeat
Townhall.com ^ | March 31, 2012 | Steve Deace
Posted on March 31, 2012 9:56:13 AM EDT by Kaslin
Barack Obama may have just had his “etch-a-sketch” moment.
Last week, the Romney campaign was rightfully chastised after a top advisor essentially said when they’re done pandering to conservatives to win the Republican presidential nomination, they’ll just shake things up like one would an etch-a-sketch and come up with a whole new batch of folks to pander to in the general.
That comment is sure to become very familiar to the American people if indeed Romney is the GOP nominee, sort of like when John Kerry – aka Romney’s alter ego – was branded as the guy who “was for it before he was against it” in 2004.
Not to be outdone, however, President Obama has also now stepped in it—and provided his Republican opponent plenty of ammunition in the process.
According to CNN: In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue. "This is my last election," Obama told Medvedev. "After my election I have more flexibility."
"I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir," Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin.
Translation: Obama is essentially saying as soon as he’s no longer tied down by that pesky will of the people thing, he’ll just do what he wants to do when the will of the people can’t touch him.
Obama is fortunate he committed this gaffe – defined as when a politician or one of his top aides opens his mouth and speaks the unvarnished truth for a change – at a time the GOP does not have a nominee going one-on-one with him to make use of this, as well as the fact the media is largely distracted this week by the Obamneycare hearing at the U.S. Supreme Court. Otherwise this could be just as damaging as the “etch-a-sketch” comment was to the Romney campaign.
The “etch-a-sketch” comment reinforces the very valid criticism the malleable Romney is a RINO of no real conviction, so he will say anything to anyone to get elected. Similarly, Obama’s comments about having “more flexibility” after the election reinforces a narrative of his candidacy his campaign would rather not see perpetuated.
Many Americans are correctly concerned about the hard left direction Obama has already taken the country over their objections. They are thinking that if this is what Obama is like when he faces re-election, what will he be like after he doesn’t? If he’s willing to go this far when he faces the scrutiny of the voters, how far will he go when he no longer does?
To these voters, (and there are lots of them if you were paying attention to the last midterm election), Obama’s flippant off-mic gaffe with the Russian figurehead is a chilling reminder that no matter how likeable the president seems to be, he is still the hard left ideologue they tried to send a message to in 2010. And this gaffe gives them the impression either that message wasn’t received, or was just ignored entirely.
This is the sort of comment that can really help a candidate like Romney in a general election. It takes the focus off the fact that lots of voters (including lots of Republicans) have serious misgivings about Romney, and it puts the focus back on Obama.
For example, if I were running Romney’s general election campaign (and I shudder even just typing those words), I would base my entire campaign strategy on the premise of this Obama gaffe. I would first go back to my skeptical conservative base and tell them this:
“You may not like me. You may not want me. But look how far left this guy has governed when he had to worry about re-election. Imagine what he and his minions will do when they don’t. Imagine agencies like the EPA, and appointments like Eric Holder running even more roughshod over your liberties without the fear of facing the voters ever again?”
Even for a Romney critic like me that is a potent argument.
To independents that have doubts about Obama, I would make a similar case but tether the message to their tastes:
“I’m not a right-winger. I’m a businessman who simply believes you do what works. This president, unlike Bill Clinton when he had a Republican Congress, has been unrelenting in advancing his ultra-liberal agenda, even to the point of ignoring your concerns. And he’s already making plans for how much further he’ll go if you give him another four years. Are you willing to take that chance?”
Frankly, this may be the only valid basis for a person of sincere moral conviction to justify voting for Romney that I can come up with. Furthermore, since incumbent presidents of have won 69% of the re-election campaigns in American history, this is probably Romney’s only shot to win a general election barring the United States becoming Greece in the next eight months—and the president played right into it. He’s lucky it’s only March and most of America has yet to pay attention.
Given the lack of voter enthusiasm for either Romney or Obama, and their combined resources, a battle between the two this fall could easily be the most expensive negative campaign in American history. Many media outlets have lost a lot of their advertising revenue in the recession, so a battle between two unpopular politicians with a war chest at their disposal to tear down one another is a media buyer’s dream.
With that war chest, you can trust Romney to exploit these sorts of gaffes by Obama in ways John McCain was too sanctimonious to do so four years ago. Romney doesn’t fancy himself some larger than life maverick that is above the partisan fray. Unlike McCain, he suffers from no delusions of grandeur in that department. He knows he’s a pandering, hack opportunist politician who will lie every lie and flip any flop to win—and he’s made his peace with it. He will put the boot to Obama’s throat if he has to, not man-hug him like McCain. Romney has no legacy to protect, only power to acquire.
Romney will do whatever it takes to win, as will Obama.
Boy, howdy! Won’t that be an inspiring campaign between two desperate candidates the majority of Americans don’t want, no real substantive differences between the two philosophically, and each with enough money to remind us of that in 30-and-60-second increments every commercial break.
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Medvedev: Working with comrade Obama has been the ‘best three years’ for U.S.-Russian relations..
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Posted on April 1, 2012 8:14:08 PM EDT by Sub-Driver
Medvedev: Working with comrade Obama has been the ‘best three years’ for U.S.-Russian relations in a long time posted at 7:45 pm on April 1, 2012 by Morgen Richmond
Throughout the 2008 campaign Barack Obama promised that if elected he would ‘restore our standing’ in the world. I’m not sure all of our allies feel the same way, but as far as Russia is concerned: mission accomplished.
My colleague Barack Obama and I have once again had a constructive discussion of the various issues on the international agenda and on bilateral cooperation between the Russian Federation and the United States.
I said that although there are varying assessments of the reset in relations that has been much spoken about over these last three years, I think that we have accomplished very useful work over this time. These have perhaps been the best three years in relations between our two countries over the last decade.
This is an excerpt from prepared remarks delivered by outgoing Russian president Dmitry Medvedev at the close of the nuclear security summit in South Korea at the beginning of this week. So in a way it’s old news – in Russia – where the highlighted statement by Medvedev was splashed across numerous headlines. But curiously, there was nary a mention of it in the U.S. media. You’d think this sort of lavish praise for President Obama would be considered newsworthy, if for no other reason that the statement was also an implicit criticism of the Bush Administration. Was our media too busy covering (up) Obama’s ‘hot mic’ gaffe to mention this? Because if anything the president’s gaffe makes this statement by Medvedev even more newsworthy. Since it clearly suggests that the Russian government would relish the prospect of even more ‘flexibility’ under a second Obama term. If three years were so great, why not eight?
I think the White House realizes that the optics of these cozy little interchanges between Obama and Medvedev are really not good for the president. They can mock Mitt Romney all they want, but most Americans voters grew up in an era where Russia was our primary political ‘foe’. And it’s not lost on most Americans that the Russian government has continued to be a thorn in our side in dealing with Iran, Syria, and a host of other global challenges. Nor is it lost on most Americans that Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer, has effectively presided over the Russian government for more than a dozen years now. If concern over Russia’s foreign policy intentions is based on caricature, it’s a caricature the Russian government has done absolutely nothing to dispel through their actions in recent years.
Given the concessions already made by the Obama Administration on missile defense, and the new START treaty, not to mention our support of Russia’s entry into the World Trade Organization, it’s hardly surprising that the Russians would have such a favorable view of U.S. policy over the past 3 years. But I’m pretty sure most Americans don’t view Russian policy towards the U.S. in the same favorable light, nor do they place much value on restoring our standing in the world, especially when it comes at the price of weakening our defenses.
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-says-not-renew-arms-agreement-u-200019421.html
Obama played for a fool again.
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President Obama was asked Friday about his hot mic comments to then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he would have more "flexibility" after the 2012 election.
In an interview with KRNV Reno, Obama pivoted directly to nuclear security — despite the fact that Medvedev and Obama were talking about the specific issue of European missile defense.
"This was specifically about how we deal with Russia and nuclear arms, Obama said. "That's something that was ratified on a bipartisan basis in the United States Senate."
"The discussion there very much just had to do with the fact that it's hard to negotiate additional treaties when i'm off campaigning and doing all kinds of stuff," Obama said.
The president came under widespread criticism after his hot mic remarks at a March nuclear summit implied that he would be in a better position to re-evaluate U.S. and European plans for an anti-ballistic missile shield in Europe after November.
Medvedev told Obama he would "transmit" the information to Vladmir Putin — the incoming president of Russia.
While Obama and Medvedev were at a nuclear summit hosted by the South Korean government, the particular issue they were discussing revolved around Russia's concerns about an expanded anti-ballistic missile shield being expanded to encompass countries like Romania, Poland and Turkey.
"At the time, Mr. Putin was still putting together a new government because he had just been reelected," Obama said. "When you're negotiating between major nuclear powers about something of so much importance, you want to make sure everybody's focused."
"The key point here is that we have to maintain a secure, effective nuclear deterrent," Obama said.
Mode fucking lies from tis disgusting traitor and slug.
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BUMPTY BUMP BUMP BUMP
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Hackers breach White House computer system, Russia suspected
AFP/Yahoo ^ | 10/29 | AFP
Posted on 10/29/2014 9:10:49 AM by TangledUpInBlue
The White House's unclassified computer network was recently breached by intruders, a US official said Tuesday, with The Washington Post newspaper reporting that the Russian government was thought to be behind the act.
"In the course of assessing recent threats, we identified activity of concern on the unclassified EOP network," said the White House official, speaking on condition of not being named.
"Any such activity is something we take very seriously. In this case, we took immediate measures to evaluate and mitigate the activity."
The Washington Post quoted sources as saying hackers believed to be working for the Russian government were believed to be responsible.
The hackers entered the US presidential mansion's unclassified computer network in recent weeks, the Post quotes the sources as saying.
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Bump for Strawqueer
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Straw and Prime avoiding this like the damn flu virus