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FBI officials recruited a mole with access to the man behind the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, Osama bin Laden, several years before the tragedy at the World Trade Center, an agent told a federal grand jury in 2010.
Law enforcement sources told ABC News that they were bewildered by the report, which was revealed during newly cited testimony for a years-old discrimination lawsuit against the FBI. The information was not disclosed to the 9/11 Commission and investigators in Congress.
FBI agent Bassem Youssef testified to a federal grand jury in September 2010 that he began recruiting two sources from Los Angeles with ties to Omar Abdel, known as the "Blind Sheikh," in 1993. Abdel was the mastermind behind the original 1996 World Trade Center bombing.
Ed Curran, one of Youssef's superiors, testified in 2010 that information from one of the sources was ultimately sent to New York FBI agents to support their counterterrorism investigations.
"One source came back, had direct contact with Osama bin Laden," Curran said in his testimony, according to ABC News. "He had indicated to (Abdel) Rahman that he had a target picked out for an explosion in the Los Angeles area, I believe it was a Masonic lodge. (Abdel) Rahman went and told him to go get the money from Osama back in the Middle East."
Curran said that one of the sources met with bin Laden and was "right in al-Qaeda, directly involved."
A transcript of the 2010 deposition was posted on the National Whistleblowers Center's website, but U.S. officials Wednesday said they could not confirm its accuracy.
The Washington Times reported Tuesday that 9/11 Commission members and terrorism analysts said that they were surprised by the admission.
"I think it raises a lot of questions about why that information didn't become public and why the 9/11 Commission or the congressional intelligence committees weren't told about it," said former U.S. Rep Peter Hoekstra, who chaired the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence from 2004 through 2007.
"This is just one more of these examples that will go into the conspiracy theorists' notebooks, who say the authorities are not telling us everything," he added.
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Every major governmental disaster was an inside job in the US. Actually, anywhere. The people are an amorphous mass devoid of power or opinion. Only your rules hold your collective fate in their hands.... ;)
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Has anyone really explained why wtc7 collapsed-neatly into its own footprint- yet?
There is so much about this event that 'official sources' or the msm never even acknowledges.
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no, always seemed shady to me.
sadly, the truth will be forever lost in an ocean of whacky conspiracy theories... which is what they want.
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uhm no it wasnt an inside job
really dont think so.
the planes hit buildings.
way too many ppl would have had to be in on it, it simply not an inside job.
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uhm no it wasnt an inside job
really dont think so.
the planes hit buildings.
way too many ppl would have had to be in on it, it simply not an inside job.
yeah
but using it as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan WAS an inside job
planned long in advance in the case of such an eventuality
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I don't know what was better. The fact that building 7 goes down like an implosion, although it was untouched or the fact that we invaded Iraq who had NO involvement in the supposed attacks
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You have to be a fucking stupid son of a bitch to think something as big as 9/11 could be an inside job! The amount of resources and people needed to pull that off without one of them slipping up and leaking some kind of evidence lol get real. That many people can't keep a secret that large just not possible.
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You have to be a fucking stupid son of a bitch to think something as big as 9/11 could be an inside job! The amount of resources and people needed to pull that off without one of them slipping up and leaking some kind of evidence lol get real. That many people can't keep a secret that large just not possible.
Not really at all. It took a few people to hijack planes and crash them. Doesn't take an army to do this. Just a small team.
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Of course it was. To think otherwise is sheer ignorance.
Not that I have any clue what actually went down, but it so obviously was not what it was said to have been.
No plane slamming into a structure like those towers would result in said buildings falling so perfectly ... or, really, at all.
Hell, there is SO MUCH that just does not make any reasonable sense.
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Not really at all. It took a few people to hijack planes and crash them. Doesn't take an army to do this. Just a small team.
It would take more than just a small team of people to.set all the charges and accomplish all the things truthers think our government did. Someone would leak something.
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Of course it was. To think otherwise is sheer ignorance.
Not that I have any clue what actually went down, but it so obviously was not what it was said to have been.
No plane slamming into a structure like those towers would result in said buildings falling so perfectly ... or, really, at all.
Hell, there is SO MUCH that just does not make any reasonable sense.
http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18
Go and have a read here.
Its all clearly explained.
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Yeah...they can't run a healthcare system but they pulled this off....the mole/source points more to incompetence and the share size of a sprawling intelligence apparatus that does not communicate with itself then it does to some US gov conspiracy.
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and the Sandy Hook Elementary shootings were staged..
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and the Sandy Hook Elementary shootings were staged..
Look at what's going on in Connecticut now.
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Its like this for me...what government in their right mind would stage this LIVE...on television..with no rehearsal or testing...a conrolled demolition of unheard of scope...that has to be invisible to thousands of cameras..and work flawlessly...twice.
Not buying it
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Its like this for me...what government in their right mind would stage this LIVE...on television..with no rehearsal or testing...a conrolled demolition of unheard of scope...that has to be invisible to thousands of cameras..and work flawlessly...twice.
Not buying it
And not one person uttered a single word about it since.
There would have to have been hundreds of people in on it.
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You can't call the gov a bunch of idiots and then think they could pull of 9-11. Unless it was a far leftwing plot to destroy the military, bankrupt the gov, destroy the economy, completely destabilize the Middle East to the point that Iran now has nukes, split the racial divide in the country even worse and elect a marginally competent half black guy.....well now that you look at it.
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And not one person uttered a single word about it since.
There would have to have been hundreds of people in on it.
OK even better...its a right wing plot to have us control the middle east...so these guys pull of the most spectacular attack in modern military history....everybody does exactly as they want them to do...patriotism increase , invasion of Iraq , increased surveillance etc etc etc...yet we control no oil in the Middle East..and it appears its all been a wasted effort. And yeah..nobody said shit. Come on
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Its like this for me...what government in their right mind would stage this LIVE...on television..with no rehearsal or testing...a conrolled demolition of unheard of scope...that has to be invisible to thousands of cameras..and work flawlessly...twice.
Not buying it
Exactly the u.s government can't even run social security. They couldn't pull something like 9/11 off. It would be an amazing feat to do. Something on the scale without leaving behind some kind of evidence no way the odds are one and a billion.
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how does this article change anything?
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The government can't even keep a secret about a official having an affair with somebody. How the hell could they be smart enough to keep this a secret?
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The Towers and Building 7 were demoed.
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What does Alex Jones dick taste like? Does the head cramp when wearing a tin foil hat 24/7? Did your molesting grandfather attend illuminati meetings after his nightly anal probing? Are extraterrestrial reptilian shapeshifters secretly governing the White House?
These are all questions you should be able to answer.
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You've solved the mystery! Case closed.
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Of course it's Bush's fault. Just ask Obama and the left.
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=18&id=86
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
Bush's fault.
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
I don't believe it was inside, but for the sake of discussion, even if demolishion was proven for this tower, it could be theorized that it was a response to the attack to protect information, not a part of it.
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50/50 inside and terrorism.
Had the people who care for the US more power such shit wouldn't be allowed to happen.
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
Then you and 8 or 9 others are the only one's left out of about 7 billion who haven't figured it out. Congratulations
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the real infrastructure of this country is the intelligence services who do all sorts of bizarre dumb shit. Recruiting nazi scientists, experiment on black people with std's, make up a fake gulf incident to get into vietnam, assassinate JFK, blows up our own twin towers for 2 wars of choice, spies on us all and tracks our every movement. I imagine these people are so deluded and dumb they think they are helping america but the whole world laughs at us.
"No one is more hopelessly enslaved than those who thing they are free."
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the real infrastructure of this country is the intelligence services who do all sorts of bizarre dumb shit. Recruiting nazi scientists, experiment on black people with std's, make up a fake gulf incident to get into vietnam, assassinate JFK, blows up our own twin towers for 2 wars of choice, spies on us all and tracks our every movement. I imagine they people are so deluded and dumb they think they are helping america but the whole world laughs at us.
"No one is more hopelessly enslaved than those who thing they are free."
Who wrote the bolded bit, was it a slave or a free man?
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Who wrote the bolded bit, was it a slave or a free man?
Someone with poor grammar wrote it.
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Who wrote the bolded bit, was it a slave or a free man?
Goethe i think so some homo philosopher
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Someone with poor grammar wrote it.
i paraprhased my Hebrew
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;D Noted good sir.
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the fact there was a mole who was close to OBL but failed to mention this is a bit shady don't you think? The FBI keeping it a secret and never revealing this info during the 9/11 comission hearings, which by the way Bush and Cheney sealed with presidential order to never be released and both refused to be questioned alone. Cheney didn't trust Bush by himself in that room.
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Goethe i think so some homo philosopher
But was he free or did he just think he was free?
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all conspiracy dumbassery has been throughoutly debunked, its actualy hilarious how dumb some of the stuff out there is.
check the randi forums and educate yourself.
the dishonesty of the conspiracy theorists-off all ppl- is disgusting.
yes the iraq war was planned upfront, i read that book dirty wars,which is based on legit research, but that doesnt make 911 a consipracy theory,.
what indirectly happened is bush had a falling out with bin laden, the fmilies go way back as business partners.
building 7 how did that come down?are you serious?have you REALLY looked into the matter unbiased?
freefall towers 1+2 werent so freefall.
oh and controled demolitions,yeah realy?tell that to the firefighters on thst day.
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Bush's fault.
actualy, historical pov, it kinda is.
certainly more than any democrat goverment.
i know coach youre not as dumb as you pretend, you ust chose to be very selective and bias when looking at things.
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all conspiracy dumbassery has been throughoutly debunked, its actualy hilarious how dumb some of the stuff out there is.
check the randi forums and educate yourself.
the dishonesty of the conspiracy theorists-off all ppl- is disgusting.
yes the iraq war was planned upfront, i read that book dirty wars,which is based on legit research, but that doesnt make 911 a consipracy theory,.
what indirectly happened is bush had a falling out with bin laden, the fmilies go way back as business partners.
building 7 how did that come down?are you serious?have you REALLY looked into the matter unbiased?
freefall towers 1+2 werent so freefall.
oh and controled demolitions,yeah realy?tell that to the firefighters on thst day.
This thread is not about that. It is about the fact they had an insider in OBL's camp and yet never mentioned it.
My theory is the USA didn't do this themselves but they damn fucking right knew that OBL was planning to do this and let him do it. They needed a case for war and this was their opportunity.
They didn't stop him on purpose. It was amazing how quickly they started DHS with thousands of employees out of the blue. This is not a Bush thing, or Cheney thing either. This has been in planning for a decade on how to go back to war.
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The same government that can't get a website up and running pulled off something this big? Even VinceG makes websites by the dozen.
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The same government that can't get a website up and running pulled off something this big? Even VinceG makes websites by the dozen.
not the same gov. Don't confuse Obama's fuckup with Bush's military cronies.
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The same government that can't get a website up and running pulled off something this big? Even VinceG makes websites by the dozen.
yea you are speaking about executive branch...we are talking about sophisticated intelligence services and evne furthermore sects within the intelligence services that we dont even know it exist. We barely know anything look at the NSA leaks....There agencies within agencies .
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not the same gov. Don't confuse Obama's fuckup with Bush's military cronies.
So Bush had smarter guys working for him?
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So Bush had smarter guys working for him?
So smart they forgot to plant WMDs in Iraq.
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so if the usa govt is so powerful, why wouldnt they just invade a country based on a simpler lie?
you thinkthey knew upfront,but decided "nah let it happen then we react".
all the secret service member who knew, but bush just told them nah dont wory.
them having a "Mole" so what you cant brush all the 1000s facts and make up a decision based on that 1 mole.
"we have a highjacked airplane" ah dont worry.
it was the 5 dancing jews i say ;D
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Look at what's going on in Connecticut now.
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I havent been payinh attention. Fill me in. Are they handing their guns over like pussies? Cause that area is notoriously filled with gaping vaginas.
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bush didnt even have to know dude....information does flow like water it flows in channels. If you control the channels you can use that info anyway you please.
Do I think bush knew? Nope
Do I think select members of certain sects of our goverment knew? Yep
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not the same gov. Don't confuse Obama's fuckup with Bush's military cronies.
military and advisors team pretty much the same before and after.
So smart they forgot to plant WMDs in Iraq.
was about to say the same.
and doesnt it count that the terrosirst uhm, claimed responsibility for this?does this not count a little bit ;D
oh and where are the case files where someone went and dragged the us govt before court?
the courts in on it too?
any death bed confessions maybe?
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military and advisors team pretty much the same before and after.
was about to say the same.
and doesnt it count that the terrosirst uhm, claimed responsibility for this?does this not count a little bit ;D
oh and where are the case files where someone went and dragged the us govt before court?
the courts in on it too?
any death bed confessions maybe?
The military leadership is completely different...not that it matters. Nobody could ever keep their mouths shut over something like this.
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military and advisors team pretty much the same before and after.
was about to say the same.
and doesnt it count that the terrosirst uhm, claimed responsibility for this?does this not count a little bit ;D
oh and where are the case files where someone went and dragged the us govt before court?
the courts in on it too?
any death bed confessions maybe?
Not close man. Look up the think tank let by rumsfeld and wolfowitz. Read Gore Vidal's piece here.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html
Everyone on this site should read it.
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I havent been payinh attention. Fill me in. Are they handing their guns over like pussies? Cause that area is notoriously filled with gaping vaginas.
Mandatory registration/low turnout/governor says do it now or we'll go door to door.
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Read this quote from 2001
`Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaeda as if it were Nazi Germany or the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaeda has been penetrated by US intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication.'
--Mohammed Heikal The Guardian, 10/10/01
This guy already knew they had an insider in Al Qaeda, something just breaking news yesterday in the USA
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Mandatory registration/low turnout/governor says do it now or we'll go door to door.
how the fuck are they allowing that to happen to them.... shouldn't someone try and take that up to the supreme court?
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I don't believe it was inside, but for the sake of discussion, even if demolishion was proven for this tower, it could be theorized that it was a response to the attack to protect information, not a part of it.
That wld make sense too
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This thread is not about that. It is about the fact they had an insider in OBL's camp and yet never mentioned it.
My theory is the USA didn't do this themselves but they damn fucking right knew that OBL was planning to do this and let him do it. They needed a case for war and this was their opportunity.
They didn't stop him on purpose. It was amazing how quickly they started DHS with thousands of employees out of the blue. This is not a Bush thing, or Cheney thing either. This has been in planning for a decade on how to go back to war.
I believe something along these lines as well. Pearl harbor probably took place along similar lines.
Plenty of ignorant assholes will just yell 'tin foil hat' at the top of their lungs to make themselves feel better, but they are clueless and naive.
They would probably tell you to this day that the spanish blew up the Maine, and that we were attacked in the gulf of tonkin. The historical precedence for this type of event is extensive
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how the fuck are they allowing that to happen to them.... shouldn't someone try and take that up to the supreme court?
We, how are we as a country allowing our government to do this?
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When did they wire the buildings.....who wired it.....
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Love how the CT's think it was inside job to bring down towers and kill thousands but can't possibly fathom that Obama can't possibly be born in Kenya. Hahaha
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When did they wire the buildings.....who wired it.....
Could have been a failsafe. Didn't they house treasury gold bars under the twin towers? Could be all buildings were wired as a protective measure? Bring the buildings down and seal in the gold leaving any potential thief burried with it. They could always dig the gold out later. There was super heavy security when the clean up happened. They were protecting hundreds of billions in gold.
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You can't leave shit prewired with the explosives for very long. Take for instance the bridges over the Han river in Seoul, South Korea. Each bridge is prewired where all you have to do is bring in the explosives, which they keep close by. They don't keep them wired because anything could happen.
I don't agree with that particular line.....if they were gonna use demo it would have to happen near the attack timeframe.
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We, how are we as a country allowing our government to do this?
"We" are too distracted..."we" care more about our individuals selves. "We" have purposely become weak.
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We don't have good enough leadership.
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We don't have good enough leadership.
Isn't the government a reflection of the people they serve? Americans always think they deserve better but they are getting exactly what they are.
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"We" are too distracted..."we" care more about our individuals selves. "We" have purposely become weak.
We strong have carried the weak for far too long.
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Isn't the government a reflection of the people they serve? Americans always think they deserve better but they are getting exactly what they are.
I agree with that...we used to seem to get what we needed as well. Reagan...then Clinton with a Repub Congress and a booming economy etc.
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so if the usa govt is so powerful, why wouldnt they just invade a country based on a simpler lie?
you thinkthey knew upfront,but decided "nah let it happen then we react".
all the secret service member who knew, but bush just told them nah dont wory.
them having a "Mole" so what you cant brush all the 1000s facts and make up a decision based on that 1 mole.
"we have a highjacked airplane" ah dont worry.
it was the 5 dancing jews i say ;D
You need the people to be behind it and new "patriotic" recruits. 9/11 worked wonders on both those fronts
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Ouch! How much more proof do you need, especially from our secretary of state. But one question. How do we know that his answer was to that guys question and not about something else? Someone splicing some audio in and such.
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And not one person uttered a single word about it since.
There would have to have been hundreds of people in on it.
Lets expand.... :D
And before we pull off the most complex controlled demolition in the history of man on live television that had to work flawlessly twice...we are going to slam two jumbo jets into the side of the buildings, and we're not really sure where they're going to hit... What could possibly go wrong?
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That explains it:
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Lets expand.... :D
And before we pull off the most complex controlled demolition in the history of man on live television that had to work flawlessly twice...we are going to slam two jumbo jets into the side of the buildings, and we're not really sure where they're going to hit... What could possibly go wrong?
And fire a rocket into the Pentagon for good measure.
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I don't know what was better. The fact that building 7 goes down like an implosion, although it was untouched or the fact that we invaded Iraq who had NO involvement in the supposed attacks
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Bldg. 7 was hit on the lower floors by flying burning debris from the towers. There was no water pressure to activate the internal fire system. It burned like a welding torch for some 6 hours when it weakened and the upper floors dropped in.
Or…..a black helicopter hiding in the smoke fired a lazer beam at a hidden pile of C4 placed there by none other than Dick Cheney.
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And fire a rocket into the Pentagon for good measure.
That too.....LOL
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Still waiting for someone to explain why building 7, not hit with a plane, collapsed suddenly, neatly into its own footprint.
Still waiting.
Wait is over….
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874
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NOT an inside job. Why pull off a complicated string of events just so we can invade Iraq and Afghanistan and subsequently put forth the Patriot Act. There were a myriad of simpler ways to "justify" an invasion of backwards Middle Eastern countries run by despotic petty dictators.
When there are things that people cannot explain or things that come into direct conflict with their political/cultural/religious viewpoints, they automatically point the finger at some all-powerful group or being as the culprit....whether it be God, the Illuminati or some government conspiracy (mind you, the same government that is unable to balance a budget).
The "Truthers" are as bad a bunch as liberal whackjobs and religous nutjobs...they more often than not resort to screaming their point across and accusing others that do not believe what they believe as a bunch of "sheeple."
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NOT an inside job. Why pull off a complicated string of events just so we can invade Iraq and Afghanistan and subsequently put forth the Patriot Act. There were a myriad of simpler ways to "justify" an invasion of backwards Middle Eastern countries run by despotic petty dictators.
When there are things that people cannot explain or things that come into direct conflict with their political/cultural/religious viewpoints, they automatically point the finger at some all-powerful group or being as the culprit....whether it be God, the Illuminati or some government conspiracy (mind you, the same government that is unable to balance a budget).
The "Truthers" are as bad a bunch as liberal whackjobs and religous nutjobs...they more often than not resort to screaming their point across and accusing others that do not believe what they believe as a bunch of "sheeple."
if the fbi had an insider then why didnt the gov know? why didnt they stop it?
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Basically beating a dead horse. Some people in this thread believe that some IFBB pros compete naturally. And that most don't use SEO oil. And that Hollywood isn't made up of mostly homosexuals. How could these people possibly think that the major Governments of the world have secrete entities of their own Government and that don't have to answer to anyone?
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Bearing in mind the NWO runs everything Im positive they wouldn't need spies and insiders anywhere.
Everyone reports in to the same office.
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its very comical when conspiracy theorist post a video link and say "here you go bro"
literaly everything has been debunked.
that litle girl who made "Loser change" was taken apart.
i dont even know where to start listing the examples.
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Ouch! How much more proof do you need, especially from our secretary of state. But one question. How do we know that his answer was to that guys question and not about something else? Someone splicing some audio in and such.
The look on his wifes face is the best. Classic, Oh Shit moment.
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Could have been a failsafe. Didn't they house treasury gold bars under the twin towers? Could be all buildings were wired as a protective measure? Bring the buildings down and seal in the gold leaving any potential thief burried with it. They could always dig the gold out later. There was super heavy security when the clean up happened. They were protecting hundreds of billions in gold.
What? Little Devil, what are you smoking today?
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What's being discussed? Whether it was an "inside job"? Or whether the buildings were collapsed with planted explosives?
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The Green Lantern did it. Youtube told me so guys. Its legit.
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What's being discussed? Whether it was an "inside job"? Or whether the buildings were collapsed with planted explosives?
who the hell knows anymore !
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who the hell knows anymore !
When things get blurred like that, it forces a person to make dumb assumptions (regardless how you view the overall event).
If the buildings were brought down that way, who can say how that happened? Was it "us" that planted the explosives (say, by the appearance of innocent contracting), or did "Al Quaida" plant them via agents posing as contractors (according to our post-911 actions, "AQ" is an extremely powerful entity, right?)
Arguments aside about the viability of using fake contractors in such a way, engineering/explosives/physics disagreements are impossible to resolve for general consumption. Need to separate it from the "inside job" thoughts, because one doesn't necessarily mean the other, no matter how you view it.
It is a pointless distraction.
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It is a pointless distraction.
And that's exactly what it's suppose to be...A distraction. Who ever did it could have easily done it in 1993. However the internet wasn't in full force then. The internet itself helped COINTELPRO go into full force concerning all things 9/11...Minutes after it happened, Cointelpro was already on the job...
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Omar Abdel-Rahman, filthy swine that he is, has been in US custody since June of '93. Thus, if this supposed mole was conspiring w/ him and Osama it had to be before that time, which is over eight years before 9/11, at which time the idea of attacking the WTC with planes probably hadn't even been considered yet.
oops,there we have it.
its a bit like saying the us government had julius caesar or napoleon as a mole.
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Has anyone really explained why wtc7 collapsed-neatly into its own footprint- yet?
There is so much about this event that 'official sources' or the msm never even acknowledges.
Yes, I have, but you didn't understand, because you are foil hat moron. You are one of those stupid's, who are wanking with that one poor video, which starts from still- frame and shows the last 3 seconds of the collapse, which take 15 seconds. If you want to see whole truth, why are you so dumb that you doesn't wonder where the hell is the rest of that video? It is out there, but foil hats doesn't want you to see it, because their ridiculous lies would look like shit if you do. This has been told to you time after time, but because you are somewhat slow, you still wonder about it.
What comes to 9/11 as whole, please show me just one real evidence which connect any given claim to this foil hat fairytale WITH REAL EVIDENCE. Start by showing 1 real explosion in ANY genuine video footage at the scene. Just one, which shows real explosion which is shattering windows and shooting debris all over the place. Just one. Haven't seen that yet, because there isn't such thing, and if the controlled demolition is missing, what happens to your fucking imbecile theory? And what explosive you can leave to the blazing fire for one hour, and it will explode without any sign of explosion? Even the windows doesn't break, which you can see in the videos. And what detonation cord you can use in fire? Which one of them doesn't burn in in open fire and over 1000°C temperatures? Can you tell?
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You have to be a fucking stupid son of a bitch to think something as big as 9/11 could be an inside job! The amount of resources and people needed to pull that off without one of them slipping up and leaking some kind of evidence lol get real. That many people can't keep a secret that large just not possible.
Exactly. US Govt far too stupid to be able to pull of a conspiracy like 911. They couldn't even pull off a simple office break in with Watergate.
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What are the tinfoils trying to say with this explosives talk, Ropo? And what are you trying to say by denying the explosives?
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its absolutely brilliant when ropo joins these discussions haha
brutal.
haha "what kind oif explosive you can leave in hot fire for an hour"
this is so damn good ;D
ok lets do it like this, for those who believe its a conspiracy, ask the questions, ask whats unclear to you, an the sane ppl will try to answer you.
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I don't know what was better. The fact that building 7 goes down like an implosion, although it was untouched or the fact that we invaded Iraq who had NO involvement in the supposed attacks
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it was not untouched.
are you aware of that?
it was halfway destroyed on the side the consipracy videos ont want you to see and burned for a while.
ask the firefighters why they didnt go insie there.really,ask them, they had good reason.tell them it was untouched.
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Of course it was. To think otherwise is sheer ignorance.
Not that I have any clue what actually went down, but it so obviously was not what it was said to have been.
No plane slamming into a structure like those towers would result in said buildings falling so perfectly ... or, really, at all.
Hell, there is SO MUCH that just does not make any reasonable sense.
well, but you do agree that planes crahsed into the towers?is that fine with you,i know some even doubt the planes.
so if it wasnt the plane that caused the building to crumble(you think the scientist who explained this are takign the piss?),what else?
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its absolutely brilliant when ropo joins these discussions haha
brutal.
haha "what kind oif explosive you can leave in hot fire for an hour"
this is so damn good ;D
ok lets do it like this, for those who believe its a conspiracy, ask the questions, ask whats unclear to you, an the sane ppl will try to answer you.
The fact of the matter is simple. There is so much impossible little details which those foil hat imbeciles can't explain, it make this argument ridiculous. When you huff and puff, and blow all the stupid nonsense and idiotic brain farts away, you see the truth. For example: There were fucking massive core columns, 18 x 40" with wall thickness of 3.5", and foil hats says those were blown to smithereens with explosives. Fine, but how you can explain how those ridiculously massive explosions doesn't make any sound, no shockwave, not any physical evidence about the explosion, and why there isn't any broken windows? Dimension of the walls of the tower were something like 61 yards x 61 yards, so core and the explosions would be less than 30 yards from windows. If you detonate one kilo of dynamite in the middle of that room, every fucking window each wall of the room would fly to the streets and splinters will kill bystanders. You need fucking tons of explosives to cut those 40 - something core columns, but most of the windows were perfect shape until tower went down. How do you explain this? No one has even try to do it, they say "fuck the details" and that's it. That these foil hat imbeciles call "thinking with their own brains", but it is quite far of it. Anyone who doesn't realize that foil hat theory lack all the evidence, is too stupid to be mentally normal ;D
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Crazy itt
I'm pretty sure it was like Pearl Harbor, in that the government knew -something- would happen and enabled the Saudi terrorists to do their job by looking the other way, then used that to start two wars and destroy the constitution with the support of the mouth breathing masses.
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Not really at all. It took a few people to hijack planes and crash them. Doesn't take an army to do this. Just a small team.
So now it is American suicide mission? Where in the free world you get volunteer something like that, or do you command somebody to kill himself and 2500 americans with him? How fucking stupid it is possible to be, and still be living? You just make new record..And by the way, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? Words from the mouth of an imbecile doesn't be enough, so the evidence, please? Where it is? You fucking fools can't understand that there is difference between the claim and the fact, and those stupid claims is all you mental cases have.
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What are the tinfoils trying to say with this explosives talk, Ropo? And what are you trying to say by denying the explosives?
Every fucking explosive material on this earth is compound of chemicals, and every fucking chemical science has found, is reactive to the fire. When it is obvious that collapse of the towers start at the floors where plane hit, there is little problem. What is that chemical compound which you can leave in open fire as long as full hour, and it will detonate just as planned? There is no such compound on this earth, because all the chemicals react to fire. For example, name one which doesn't, and which is capable to explosive reaction?
And how about the detonation cord, which is the most important single detail when you want to make some kind of implosion to the building? That cord is called explosive detonation cord, because it is explosive material packed inside the plastic tube. Reason why it is used in every controlled demolition is simple. With that cord they can time the sequences of explosions to the fragment of the second, because that burning speed of this cord is stable and there fore easy to calculate. Without it there would be none controlled demolitions, so how this plastic cord would survive in open fire, not seconds but full 56 minutes? Try to explain that?
Few thousand yards of blasting mat's made from Kevlar®? No such thing in ruins. In fact there wasn't even single piece of metal with some kind of marks of explosion. No melted steel, just some aluminum from building and planes. No any marks about thermite, the stupidest brain fart known to mankind, nothing more than massive steel bended like noodles. Facts rules, everything else is bullshit ;D
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Every fucking explosive material on this earth is compound of chemicals, and every fucking chemical science has found, is reactive to the fire. When it is obvious that collapse of the towers start at the floors where plane hit, there is little problem. What is that chemical compound which you can leave in open fire as long as full hour, and it will detonate just as planned? There is no such compound on this earth, because all the chemicals react to fire. For example, name one which doesn't, and which is capable to explosive reaction?
And how about the detonation cord, which is the most important single detail when you want to make some kind of implosion to the building? That cord is called explosive detonation cord, because it is explosive material packed inside the plastic tube. Reason why it is used in every controlled demolition is simple. With that cord they can time the sequences of explosions to the fragment of the second, because that burning speed of this cord is stable and there fore easy to calculate. Without it there would be none controlled demolitions, so how this plastic cord would survive in open fire, not seconds but full 56 minutes? Try to explain that?
Few thousand yards of blasting mat's made from Kevlar®? No such thing in ruins. In fact there wasn't even single piece of metal with some kind of marks of explosion. No melted steel, just some aluminum from building and planes. No any marks about thermite, the stupidest brain fart known to mankind, nothing more than massive steel bended like noodles. Facts rules, everything else is bullshit ;D
So what does this suggest by way of identifying guilt?
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Wait is over….
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874
Just read it...it basically just repeats the standard official line. Some things i still find interesting; one, they say the fuel tank at the bottom-often touted as the reason for the collapse-did not actually explode. Two, they confirmed that it was supposedly the fires from 'burning office debris', and not from any other fuel source, that caused the collapse. This is interesting because this is not supposed to happen, where fire fueled by common office debris can burn hot enough to affect the steel structure-and indeed, they admitted that this was the first time in history that a modern skyscraper has collapsed from office fires alone. This is interesting because there have been may cases of modern skyscrapers enduring extensive office fires engulfing many floors, for much longer durations of time, and collapse was never even a possibility. Also, many of the other building around wtc 7 showed more extensive damage than it did from 'falling burning debris', and had similar office fires going, but none of them collapsed. Lastly, the article claims there is no evidence of hearing blasts by witnesses or recorded audio, when in fact there is substantial numbers of witnesses who did report hearing such sounds, even firemen.
So basically we have a building confirmed to house tons of sensitive government information, collapse suddenly neatly into its own footprint, supposedly from office fires alone, for the first time in history, defying not only history but the expectations of the ngineers who design such structures. Meanwhile, all the surrounding buildings, also damaged with debris and fires, remain standing, as modern buildings have always done in such circumstances.
I do not pretend to be an expert on this subject nor am insinuating some vast government plot designed by george bush ::)
But clearly there is something fishy here.
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And that's exactly what it's suppose to be...A distraction. Who ever did it could have easily done it in 1993. However the internet wasn't in full force then. The internet itself helped COINTELPRO go into full force concerning all things 9/11...Minutes after it happened, Cointelpro was already on the job...
It makes for one hell of a distraction, as just about every 911 thread revolves around it.
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So what does this suggest by way of identifying guilt?
Bump for Ropo...don't be a pussy by bailing, and don't try to hide behind a language barrier.
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Just read it...it basically just repeats the standard official line. Some things i still find interesting; one, they say the fuel tank at the bottom-often touted as the reason for the collapse-did not actually explode. Two, they confirmed that it was supposedly the fires from 'burning office debris', and not from any other fuel source, that caused the collapse. This is interesting because this is not supposed to happen, where fire fueled by common office debris can burn hot enough to affect the steel structure-and indeed, they admitted that this was the first time in history that a modern skyscraper has collapsed from office fires alone. This is interesting because there have been may cases of modern skyscrapers enduring extensive office fires engulfing many floors, for much longer durations of time, and collapse was never even a possibility. Also, many of the other building around wtc 7 showed more extensive damage than it did from 'falling burning debris', and had similar office fires going, but none of them collapsed. Lastly, the article claims there is no evidence of hearing blasts by witnesses or recorded audio, when in fact there is substantial numbers of witnesses who did report hearing such sounds, even firemen.
So basically we have a building confirmed to house tons of sensitive government information, collapse suddenly neatly into its own footprint, supposedly from office fires alone, for the first time in history, defying not only history but the expectations of the ngineers who design such structures. Meanwhile, all the surrounding buildings, also damaged with debris and fires, remain standing, as modern buildings have always done in such circumstances.
I do not pretend to be an expert on this subject nor am insinuating some vast government plot designed by george bush ::)
But clearly there is something fishy here.
lol not offuce debris fire alone, lets not forget a plane hit the towers.
the surrounding buildings havent been hit by plane at 300mph
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lol not offuce debris fire alone, lets not forget a plane hit the towers.
the surrounding buildings havent been hit by plane at 300mph
I was referring to building 7 genius. It was not hit with a plane.
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So what does this suggest by way of identifying guilt?
Do not play more stupid you are. Ok, if I had to translate this for genuine imbeciles, it means this: YOU STUPID FUCKS HAD 12 YEARS TO SHOW ANY FUCKING EVIDENSE TO BACK UP THOSE CONSPIRACY CLAIMS, AND YOU STUPID FUCKS HAS FAIL TO DO IT. HEREFORE OFFICIAL STORY IS ONLY THEORY PROVEN BY CONCRETE EVIDENSE. IF YOU DISSAGREE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO SUCK MY DICK, YOU FUCKING FOIL HAT MORONS. Clear enough for you?
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Bump for Ropo...don't be a pussy by bailing, and don't try to hide behind a language barrier.
Bailing?
1. I do not live here 24/7 like some of you fucking nerds, so my response isn't lightning fast. Secondly, you foil hats have used 12 years by masturbating about this thing, so what is the hurry? You do not have any new evidence, or nothing new to say about this, so what the fuck?
2. Show me 1 real explosion form any fucking 9/11 video, and there will be something to talk about. If you can't, just shut the fuck up.
You silly fucks doesn't understand how simple this thing really is. If you fucks can't prove any means to accomplish controlled demolition of the towers, it never happen, and collapse were made by planes and fire. That means only one thing: Official theory is truth. There is nothing more about this matter, because everything about your ridiculous theory is based on that controlled demolition, which never happen. You can scream, you can cry, you can wiggle your little cock until it hurts, but you can't prove single thing about your stupid theory, so only question which remains here is this: HOW IT FEEL TO BE AS STUPID AS YOU ARE?
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I was referring to building 7 genius. It was not hit with a plane.
Dear mother of God, where these fucking imbeciles come from? WTC 7 was hit by the upper part of collapsing WTC tower, it was on fire for something like 8 hours, and it collapsed part by part, like we see in the original video. All the claims about it collapsing faster are based on forged video, which start from still picture, and which shows last three second of collapse, which last more than 15 seconds. Now you have to ask from yourself, how come this collapse could be so incredibly fast, while 15 seconds is long time to building to go down. Well, it isn't incredible fast, foil hat morons just lie it to be something else it is, and some of you are stupid enough to believe any fucking shit even with no fucking evidence at all.
World slowest free fall, and here is how foil hat morons want you to see it: Can you see the difference?
Honestly? I really fucking wonder how anybody can be so fucking stupid to believe that ridiculous shit which foil hat morons are feeding to you guys. That is one fucking miracle to me, there is people so fucking stupid, and still alive? Just slit your arteries, this life will be too much to your to handle.
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Bailing?
1. I do not live here 24/7 like some of you fucking nerds, so my response isn't lightning fast. Secondly, you foil hats have used 12 years by masturbating about this thing, so what is the hurry? You do not have any new evidence, or nothing new to say about this, so what the fuck?
2. Show me 1 real explosion form any fucking 9/11 video, and there will be something to talk about. If you can't, just shut the fuck up.
You silly fucks doesn't understand how simple this thing really is. If you fucks can't prove any means to accomplish controlled demolition of the towers, it never happen, and collapse were made by planes and fire. That means only one thing: Official theory is truth. There is nothing more about this matter, because everything about your ridiculous theory is based on that controlled demolition, which never happen. You can scream, you can cry, you can wiggle your little cock until it hurts, but you can't prove single thing about your stupid theory, so only question which remains here is this: HOW IT FEEL TO BE AS STUPID AS YOU ARE?
Listen, fuckface, and listen good: I'm asking about the significance of any explosives or absence thereof. WHAT could you possibly hope to show in either case? Please make it as short as possible.
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Listen, fuckface, and listen good: I'm asking about the significance of any explosives or absence thereof. WHAT could you possibly hope to show in either case? Please make it as short as possible.
Yes, I have to listen fuckface, because there seem to be no way to shut your mouth. Now you don't understand significance of explosions, or absence of them? Where you have been last 12 years? First in kindergarten, then pre school etc. and now you are teen who knows everything. Everything but this: By 99.998% of 9/11 conspiracy theories there were some mysterious explosives, which caused that claimed controlled demolition of the towers. There wasn't, there was only those planes hitting the towers, and fire. If there would be any explosions, there is no way in this universe to hide them to not to be seen in the videos, because laws of physics. Therefore official theory is correct, and you should be happy, because your government isn't such an assholes after all ;D
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And that's exactly what it's suppose to be...A distraction. Who ever did it could have easily done it in 1993. However the internet wasn't in full force then. The internet itself helped COINTELPRO go into full force concerning all things 9/11...Minutes after it happened, Cointelpro was already on the job...
So, some fucking idiot has edit this second video, pointing out some futile bullshit from his own head, and this make your head spin? There is men in black in Manhattan? Never see this coming, oh my god, and they are eyeballing while someone is interviewed? Jesus Crist, this have to mean the conspiracy...on the other hand, Americans are fucking curious and nosy, and there are always somebody eyeballing while some one bring video camera on street. Black suits in Manhattan? Where do you think you see more of them than there? Some Mormon conference?
Instead of this bullshit, why don't you try to explain why those two videos what I post about the WTC 7, are so different. Could there be any other reason but the fact, that in the foil hat version they doesn't want to show you everything what happen in that collapse? And why is that? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MANIPULATE YOU TO SWALLOW THAT SHIT THEY ARE FEEDING TO YOU.
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Yes, I have to listen fuckface, because there seem to be no way to shut your mouth. Now you don't understand significance of explosions, or absence of them? Where you have been last 12 years? First in kindergarten, then pre school etc. and now you are teen who knows everything. Everything but this: By 99.998% of 9/11 conspiracy theories there were some mysterious explosives, which caused that claimed controlled demolition of the towers. There wasn't, there was only those planes hitting the towers, and fire. If there would be any explosions, there is no way in this universe to hide them to not to be seen in the videos, because laws of physics. Therefore official theory is correct, and you should be happy, because your government isn't such an assholes after all ;D
You suggest 99.998% of theories somwhow link explosives (or the nonexistence of explosives) with identifying guilt.
Myself, I can't see how to make that connection. Can you?
So please forget about others' theories for a minute, forget about the mad hatters, etc., and tell me how to make that connection. I want to know how the idea of explosives (or nonexistence of explosives) in this case is anything more than an unresolvable loop.
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Haha 'Ropo' melting down all over the place :D
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You suggest 99.998% of theories somwhow link explosives (or the nonexistence of explosives) with identifying guilt.
Myself, I can't see how to make that connection. Can you?
So please forget about others' theories for a minute, forget about the mad hatters, etc., and tell me how to make that connection. I want to know how the idea of explosives (or nonexistence of explosives) in this case is anything more than an unresolvable loop.
I really can't understand what is your problem besides that stupidity? Identifying guilt? There is only little minority of imbeciles, who have to ask who is guilty about the 9/11 attack. For rest of us the guilty party is obvious, because those fucking rag heads did confess, and there is zero evidence for anything else. Al-Qaeda did it, and in past 12 years nobody has been able to prove otherwise. Only what you guys have is ridiculous theories, no any evidence at all. If there isn't any possible means to accomplish any other than official theory, why you are still beating the bushes? Al-Qaeda did it, try finally understand this simple fact, or show something which proves otherwise. Simple as that.
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Haha 'Ropo' melting down all over the place :D
Did I scare you, little boy? Very sorry, but you have to understand that when little children are nosy enough to get involved at the conversation between adults, he may hear something traumatic like you just did. Don't worry, just take two hammers and tin bucket. Put the bucket on your head and take a hammer in your both hands. Then beat the bucket with the hammers until you feel better..
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Forget about all these madmen and tinhatters that occupy your mind, Ropo.
Can you and I agree that, without further information, explosives talk is just a pointless distraction?
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Ropo, who were you referring to in this post?:
OK. Why don't you prove it? Are they joke because they didn't find those imaginary shooters? Do not worry, because they didn't find their shots, their bullets or their hits either. You want to hear my theory? Oswald was lone gunman, and they promise to him that he have clear escape, that they will help him to disappear. He need three shot to kill the president, and when he try to escape from the book deposit building, he realize he has been left behind to take the heat. That's why he was so irrational and claim to be patsy. And then they help him to disappear, to the bottom of the grave. Neat and simple.
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Conspiracy nuts have very active imaginations.
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I really can't understand what is your problem besides that stupidity? Identifying guilt? There is only little minority of imbeciles, who have to ask who is guilty about the 9/11 attack. For rest of us the guilty party is obvious, because those fucking rag heads did confess, and there is zero evidence for anything else. Al-Qaeda did it, and in past 12 years nobody has been able to prove otherwise. Only what you guys have is ridiculous theories, no any evidence at all. If there isn't any possible means to accomplish any other than official theory, why you are still beating the bushes? Al-Qaeda did it, try finally understand this simple fact, or show something which proves otherwise. Simple as that.
Don't bother debating conspiracy nuts. It's their religion
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Don't bother debating conspiracy nuts. It's their religion
Yes. People are forcing him to post here and it is very concerning.
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Yes. People are forcing him to post here and it is very concerning.
Save it for group therapy, fruit loops
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Save it for group therapy, fruit loops
Save what for "group therapy"?
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OK. Why don't you prove it? Are they joke because they didn't find those imaginary shooters? Do not worry, because they didn't find their shots, their bullets or their hits either. You want to hear my theory? Oswald was lone gunman, and they promise to him that he have clear escape, that they will help him to disappear. He need three shot to kill the president, and when he try to escape from the book deposit building, he realize he has been left behind to take the heat. That's why he was so irrational and claim to be patsy. And then they help him to disappear, to the bottom of the grave. Neat and simple.
Who are you referring to, Ropo? Serious question.
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Forget about all these madmen and tinhatters that occupy your mind, Ropo.
Can you and I agree that, without further information, explosives talk is just a pointless distraction?
If you don't want to understand this simple thing, how anybody can explain it to you? Talking about conspiracy is pointless distraction, because past 12 years hasn't bring out even single evidence to prove it, so even the stupidest of the foil hat idiots should know that he has lost this argument. Simple as that. Let look at the facts? There was four planes, two hit the towers, one in the pentagon, and one drop in the field somewhere. Twin towers collapsed among the few other buildings, including WTC7. Everything regarding this attack has been proved in the official theory. Still, this isn't enough for little minority of imbeciles and fools, so they have to invent fairytales about etc. about to comfort their simple minds. Only problem regarding this matter is the fact, that they have no evidence what so ever. They talk about controlled demolitions, but when we go to details needed to accomplish anything like it, these fuckers "bail out" and try to distract conversation with futile bullshit JUST LIKE YOU TRY TO DO RIGHT NOW. Just face it: if whole conspiracy depends about the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7, why it seem to be impossible to you to show even one video with the real explosions, or name the explosive which they could use in those circumstances? And if there wasn't controlled demolition of these buildings, what happen your conspiracy theory? It seem to be even more ridiculous day after day.
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Who are you referring to, Ropo? Serious question.
They, aka what ever group of people who urge Oswald to do what he was bragging about, for example that group of homos who he was hanging around, Clay Shaw and his merry men. This bunch of cock suckers seem to be only group of people which has been proved to being hanging out with Oswald. Who knows? I find the theory of the Oswald the Stupid being lonely shooter quite possible, and his motivation was 1. hate towards Kennedy 2. his posse which urge him to keep up his word and promises to kill Kennedy. Like I say, there isn't any fucking evidence about anything else.
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They, aka what ever group of people who urge Oswald to do what he was bragging about, for example that group of homos who he was hanging around, Clay Shaw and his merry men. This bunch of cock suckers seem to be only group of people which has been proved to being hanging out with Oswald. Who knows? I find the theory of the Oswald the Stupid being lonely shooter quite possible, and his motivation was 1. hate towards Kennedy 2. his posse which urge him to keep up his word and promises to kill Kennedy. Like I say, there isn't any fucking evidence about anything else.
Will look at it further. Thank you, Ropo.
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They, aka what ever group of people who urge Oswald to do what he was bragging about, for example that group of homos who he was hanging around, Clay Shaw and his merry men. This bunch of cock suckers seem to be only group of people which has been proved to being hanging out with Oswald. Who knows? I find the theory of the Oswald the Stupid being lonely shooter quite possible, and his motivation was 1. hate towards Kennedy 2. his posse which urge him to keep up his word and promises to kill Kennedy. Like I say, there isn't any fucking evidence about anything else.
I might add that these guys are real, even if the movie JFK paint the picture of them look like some bunch of idiots. They did have military connections, own militia compound for Cuban rebels etc. and Shaw was a respected businessman. They also party with drugs, they were part of the gay underworld and Oswald were their pal. I find it quite possible that this group got tired of the Oswald's rant about Kennedy, and urge him to stand behind his words. When he did, they panic and realize that Oswald would spill all the information he has about their connections to Cuba etc. which would have been catastrophe. They have to shut him up, and only way was Jack Ruby, another gay already dying to cancer. What else they could do? What are the odds to stay alive after killing the president? You have 98% change to get shot by the police, but they get Oswald alive. Bad for Ruby and this gang. If you look about this group of Shaw, Ferrie, Ruby and Oswald, first three were gun runners and militants who were making great income by selling guns and training rebels. Oswald was loose gun, stupid bi- sexual who was coming back from Russia, which has always been homophobic society.
Garrison had all the evidence, but he was stepping on the toes of the Warren commission and pointing out their errors, so they spoil his credibility to save their own face. He also had his hate against gay people play too big role on investigation, so he didn't get whole picture right. If we put sexuality aside and look what connect these guys, Ferrie and Ruby were both cancer patients, they have mutual business as gun runners etc. with Shaw and they were all earning good money. Oswald's act was ruin all that and putting them to jeopardy to end up to prison as accomplish of murder of the president, so they get Ruby to save the situation. And how about this: After the murder Oswald was running around the city like he was looking something? Did he call his posse and ask for the get away car and they promise him one, but didn't deliver because they didn't believe he will shot Kennedy. And when he shot his three shot's, first one hit the lamp post, then there was a pause, and then two more shots. Like...aiming moving target trough the scope...shot..what the hell??...and two more shot's in hurry. If you are right handed you use right eye on the sights, so when you are following left to right movement, you don't see the lamp post on your left eye and it will surprise you completely. That takes seconds to overcome, and reorganizing take few seconds before you find your target again. It all fits in the facts ;D
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If i remember what i read when deeply researching this about 5 years ago: Oswald wandered around after the shooting. Boarded a random bus got dropped off a few blocks from the shooting and then was picked up by the police.
You would think that if he was part of a conspiracy or group they would want him dead immediately becuase he will link them. Why take the chance of not being able to kill him once in police custody? No doubt he was associated with them, but did that group conspire to kill JFK by sending Oswald? what evidence is there of it?
Also if i remember right, Ruby had no documented ties with organized crime.
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If i remember what i read when deeply researching this about 5 years ago: Oswald wandered around after the shooting. Boarded a random bus got dropped off a few blocks from the shooting and then was picked up by the police.
You would think that if he was part of a conspiracy or group they would want him dead immediately becuase he will link them. Why take the chance of not being able to kill him once in police custody? No doubt he was associated with them, but did that group conspire to kill JFK by sending Oswald? what evidence is there of it?
Also if i remember right, Ruby had no documented ties with organized crime.
There is a time span what we have to understand here, and whatever I claim, there is no evidence whatsoever that things went like I imagine. Just a little theory, that's all. How I see it, there is time before the shots, and after the shots have fired. Before the shots things among the Shaw and his merry men were cool, they were happy and high in their gay orgies up to the moment, when they hear from the radio that Kennedy has been shot at. Then there has to be moment of panic, because they don't know who shot the Kennedy, but they have a fear that it was Oswald the stupid. In this point they recall everything they has been telling to Oswald and see how much damage it will cause, if he spill the beans. They can't do anything, Oswald is running randomly around the town, and then police arrest him. What there is to do after that? If you want to stop him to talk, you need to kill him, but how? Let's get the Ruby to do some damage control, he is dying anyway..
Ruby was a some kind of hang-around or wannabe gangster, he has some background but nothing ties him straightly to the mob. There were evidence that he was a gay, and the friend of the Shaws bunch of idiots. If you are known gay, you aren't very welcome in the mafia, they are quite conservative that way....
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911 was a reason to go into Afghanistan and take control of the..................... .POPPY FIELDS.
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All silliness. Jesus.