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Necrosis, you're a Doctor....right??
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;D ::)
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wow
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152816052593868
Necrosis, you're a Doctor....right??
Joe, what is the date of that hearing?
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wow
I agree
wow - what an idiot (or willful liar) Joe Barton is
Joe - you were even mentioned in the article below
That source code included what seems like a very incriminating line, which Barton noted was not even visible to the user:
“[t]his is the part of the signup that is hidden. The applicant does not see this, but it is in the source code. And what that blue highlighted area that’s been circled in red says is, ‘You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication or data transmitting or stored on this information system.’”
Except that, here’s the dealio: As Barton says, users don’t actually see that line, so they’re hardly agreeing to it. As for its being “in the source code,” it turns out that even the line Barton highlighted was merely inactive boilerplate copied over from another project and switched off in the code that actually runs on the ACA website. It doesn’t do anything. It is not actually part of the website. Barton’s “discovery” is a bit like complaining about a typo in a first draft that was deleted before the final version, but that can be found if you use “show changes.” He just didn’t mention that it has the programming equivalent of a line through it.
And considerably more important, nothing in the ACA application process asks anyone to reveal private health information, other than whether they smoke. It’s just plain not needed. Can’t very well violate HIPAA if you aren’t giving information that’s covered by HIPAA. And that grilling of Campbell is what triggered Pallone’s “Monkey court” comment. Beutler does some elaborating:
“Monkey court” was a headline grabber but the phrase didn’t in itself pertain to Pallone’s point, which was genuinely profound. Because Obamacare makes preexisting conditions discrimination is a thing of the past, it effectively eliminates one of the most invasive aspects of applying for health insurance, and the risks the process once posed to your health information privacy.
First-timers won’t appreciate it, but for all of Healthcare.gov’s problems, anyone who’s ever applied for insurance on the individual market prior to Obamacare will marvel at its simplicity. It eliminates the most time-consuming, and often degrading, part of the process altogether.
Not that Joe Barton especially cares that he’s lying about that “source code” — already, his grandstanding has gotten positive attention from the usual suspects in the wingnut echo chamber. Get ready to hear endless rants about the secret part of Obamacare that forces you to sign away your privacy rights, even though no such thing exists.
Read more at Wonkette: http://wonkette.com/532588/texas-rep-joe-barton-being-dumb-again-obamacare-edition#ixzz39x6mbyhg
Read more at http://wonkette.com/532588/texas-rep-joe-barton-being-dumb-again-obamacare-edition#RLovy4w04mXC2VG3.99
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Joe Barton and Joe Loco are both morons
Joe this hearing was last year and the truth about what Barton was suggesting was immediately available
How is it that over a year later you still didn't get the memo?
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Joe, what is the date of that hearing?
Hahah, as if it made a difference. lol
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I agree
wow - what an idiot (or willful liar) Joe Barton is
Joe - you were even mentioned in the article below
Read more at Wonkette: http://wonkette.com/532588/texas-rep-joe-barton-being-dumb-again-obamacare-edition#ixzz39x6mbyhg
Read more at http://wonkette.com/532588/texas-rep-joe-barton-being-dumb-again-obamacare-edition#RLovy4w04mXC2VG3.99
The "dealio"?? lol. So it was the ole switcharoo. Great story from the "wonkette" hahaha.
"You find out what's in it after it passes" - Nancy Stretch Pelosi
Refute it - Strawman
Hahaha
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The "dealio"?? lol. So it was the ole switcharoo. Great story from the "wonkette" hahaha.
"You find out what's in it after it passes" - Nancy Stretch Pelosi
Refute it - Strawman
Hahaha
Joe, a response like this shows that you're a special kind of stupid
When most people own themselves into oblivion they are smart enough to realize it, admit it and move on
What they don't do is keep digging that hole by trying to ignore the facts and bring up other topics or make comments about vernacular, etc...
Are you actually so stupid you don't understand what a face plant you just make with this thread?
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did he really say that about wind?
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Joe, a response like this shows that you're a special kind of stupid
When most people own themselves into oblivion they are smart enough to realize it, admit it and move on
What they don't do is keep digging that hole by trying to ignore the facts and bring up other topics or make comments about vernacular, etc...
Are you actually so stupid you don't understand what a face plant you just make with this thread?
Hahahahah. You dug yourself the biggest hole when you voted for this loser......twice. lol
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did he really say that about wind?
And here you are commenting on a meme instead of what's in the video.
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And here you are commenting on a meme instead of what's in the video.
well, i know the democrat that said the island of guam could tip over, is a stone cold idiot, and therefore I need to take everything they say with a grain of salt... I mean, how easily could this politician be duped if he/she lacks the basic understanding of simple science topics, that islands can't really flip over? Which idiot dem was that?
So yes, anyone who says "Wind energy slows down the wind and therefore heats up the planet", regardless of their political party, is a complete idiot. And everything this idiot says, regardless of party, should be examined as words of a person who can be fooled/tricked/manipulated by anyone with a 40 IQ, because, well, he kinda feels like he's a 36 or 37 IQ here.
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And here you are commenting on a meme instead of what's in the video.
what's in the video is Joe Barton being too stupid to know the text he is so concerned about is not only not in the legislation but the point he is trying to make is specious
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what's in the video is Joe Barton being too stupid to know the text he is so concerned about is not only not in the legislation but the point he is trying to make is specious
I see. Lol
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I see. Lol
LOL @ the irony of that statement
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Necrosis, you're a Doctor....right??
I was going to respond to this as I remembered this was all bullshit, however, strawman has done it for me.
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I see. Lol
You do realize that Joe Barton is wrong here correct? you do realize that there is a difference between truth and lies correct.
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Shee-it, Coach, why not just "man up" and say you didn't realize that this issue was a year old and had been debunked?
(Unless you're trolling -- In which case it's kind of clever and you should definitely do more of this, lol)
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Shee-it, Coach, why not just "man up" and say you didn't realize that this issue was a year old and had been debunked?
(Unless you're trolling -- In which case it's kind of clever and you should definitely do more of this, lol)
Joe is not trolling. He's the real deal. He knows that facts have a strong liberal bias and should be dismissed without consideration
You've got to love the irony of the title of the thread
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Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.
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Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.
you got yourself
I'm curious how you came upon this video and decided to post it
did you receive it in an email or did you just find it yourself and decide to post it
seriously, I'd like to know
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Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.
Dear Coach,
after owning yourself, with no external coercion we have to take your claim that Obamacare is a disaster with a grain of salt.
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A billion on a failed website and a disastrous prgram based on lies and fraud - yeah 0-fagcare doing just great
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A billion on a failed website and a disastrous prgram based on lies and fraud - yeah 0-fagcare doing just great
you're forgetting that now your pre-existing mental health issues won't prevent you from getting insurance
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Dear Coach,
after owning yourself, with no external coercion we have to take your claim that Obamacare is a disaster with a grain of salt.
Damn, two idiots named Joe getting owned in the same thread.
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you got yourself
I'm curious how you came upon this video and decided to post it
did you receive it in an email or did you just find it yourself and decide to post it
seriously, I'd like to know
It only means that I've been right about Obama, his agenda and his minions 97% of the time instead of 98%. Tell me again how great obamacare is and that we keep our doctor, won't affect the middle class and you'll save money. How did that work again?
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Seems to be working pretty good in Kentucky.
http://time.com/3062886/how-kentucky-got-obamacare-right/
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/04/05/get-ready-for-the-real-obamacare-disasters-as-people-start-to-use-it/
One of the only things that I think is good, is the coverage for pre-existing conditions.
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From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
By Peter J. Pitts
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August 10, 2014 | 6:33pm
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From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
Melanie Thompson and HIV patient Brian Albright look over his medical bills and correspondence with his insurance company in Atlanta.
Photo: AP
It turns out ObamaCare didn’t solve the problem of “pre-existing conditions” after all. It made premiums more affordable for people with chronic health conditions that are expensive to treat — but at the price of sticking them with unaffordable co-payments for their medications.
The nonprofit AIDS Institute is suing four Florida health insurers for discriminating against HIV/AIDS patients. The complaint says these patients now face prohibitive out-of-pocket drug costs. Sadly, most of the plans sold via ObamaCare all across the country have similar problems — leaving those with chronic diseases without affordable access to the specialty drugs they need.
The Affordable Care Act limits the degree to which insurers can charge higher premiums for sicker patients. But ObamaCare plans found a way around these rules: impose higher out-of-pocket costs for all or most specialty drugs.
Consider the Florida suit. Carl Schmid, the AIDS Institute deputy executive director, says the plans follow a “pattern where every single [HIV/AIDS] drug for some plans was on the highest tier, including generics.” Under these policies, drug costs for AIDS patients can exceed $1,000 a month.
And Florida’s hardly unusual. A new report from consulting group Avalere Health found that a large majority of all ObamaCare exchange plans include similarly high out-of-pocket costs for patients with certain illnesses.
The breakdown of Silver plans (the most popular category) is particularly revealing. In seven classes of drugs for conditions from cancer to bipolar disorder, more than a fifth of these plans require patients to shoulder 40 percent of the medicine’s cost.
And 60 percent of Silver plans place all drugs for illnesses like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis in the “formulary tier” with the highest level of cost-sharing.
Nearly every Silver plan across the country, in fact, puts at least one class of drug exclusively in the top cost-sharing tier. In effect, this leaves patients with a given condition — whether HIV or Crohn’s disease — without a single affordable treatment option.
Pre-ObamaCare, about half the states had a system in place for helping people with pre-existing conditions: state high-risk pool plans, which for years offered government-subsidized coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions. But the Affordable Care Act banned those pools.
So now, with exchange plans failing them, the chronically ill have nowhere left to go.
Allies of the insurance industry blame the drug companies for the high price of certain medicines. AARP policy adviser Leigh Purvis, for instance, says cost-sharing levels “wouldn’t be so high if the prices of drugs weren’t so high.” Health-policy advocate John Rother, meanwhile, claims that “reducing price is something [drug] companies could do tomorrow.”
But drug prices aren’t arbitrary. The average biopharmaceutical therapy takes $1.2 billion and anywhere from 10 to 15 years to bring to market. Firms must charge high prices for certain brand-name drugs to make back this substantial investment with enough left over to fund research into the next generation of treatments.
And while insurers like to complain that sophisticated therapies cost too much, they tend to ignore the far higher costs of denying these medicines to patients.
Increased co-pays result in “nonadherence,” failure to take prescribed medications. And that equals increased rates of hospitalization, chronic heart failure and premature death.
And this adds to health outlays: According to a recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine, nonadherence costs the US health system from $100 billion to $289 billion a year.
In short, by making needed medications unaffordable — and by failing to cover newer, targeted therapies — insurers are jeopardizing patient health. And far from saving money, cutting off access to specialty drugs actually increases long-term health costs.
Specialty medications need to be treated as equivalent to other essential medical services — not as some luxury that only the wealthy can afford. But the ObamaCare law has only made the problem worse than ever.
Peter J. Pitts, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, is president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/04/05/get-ready-for-the-real-obamacare-disasters-as-people-start-to-use-it/
One of the only things that I think is good, is the coverage for pre-existing conditions.
That is one. The other is eventually it is going to drive doctors back into the direct employ of hospitals and not third party vendors like 90% are today.
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From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
By Peter J. Pitts
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August 10, 2014 | 6:33pm
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Modal Trigger
From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
Melanie Thompson and HIV patient Brian Albright look over his medical bills and correspondence with his insurance company in Atlanta.
Photo: AP
It turns out ObamaCare didn’t solve the problem of “pre-existing conditions” after all. It made premiums more affordable for people with chronic health conditions that are expensive to treat — but at the price of sticking them with unaffordable co-payments for their medications.
The nonprofit AIDS Institute is suing four Florida health insurers for discriminating against HIV/AIDS patients. The complaint says these patients now face prohibitive out-of-pocket drug costs. Sadly, most of the plans sold via ObamaCare all across the country have similar problems — leaving those with chronic diseases without affordable access to the specialty drugs they need.
The Affordable Care Act limits the degree to which insurers can charge higher premiums for sicker patients. But ObamaCare plans found a way around these rules: impose higher out-of-pocket costs for all or most specialty drugs.
Consider the Florida suit. Carl Schmid, the AIDS Institute deputy executive director, says the plans follow a “pattern where every single [HIV/AIDS] drug for some plans was on the highest tier, including generics.” Under these policies, drug costs for AIDS patients can exceed $1,000 a month.
And Florida’s hardly unusual. A new report from consulting group Avalere Health found that a large majority of all ObamaCare exchange plans include similarly high out-of-pocket costs for patients with certain illnesses.
The breakdown of Silver plans (the most popular category) is particularly revealing. In seven classes of drugs for conditions from cancer to bipolar disorder, more than a fifth of these plans require patients to shoulder 40 percent of the medicine’s cost.
And 60 percent of Silver plans place all drugs for illnesses like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis in the “formulary tier” with the highest level of cost-sharing.
Nearly every Silver plan across the country, in fact, puts at least one class of drug exclusively in the top cost-sharing tier. In effect, this leaves patients with a given condition — whether HIV or Crohn’s disease — without a single affordable treatment option.
Pre-ObamaCare, about half the states had a system in place for helping people with pre-existing conditions: state high-risk pool plans, which for years offered government-subsidized coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions. But the Affordable Care Act banned those pools.
So now, with exchange plans failing them, the chronically ill have nowhere left to go.
Allies of the insurance industry blame the drug companies for the high price of certain medicines. AARP policy adviser Leigh Purvis, for instance, says cost-sharing levels “wouldn’t be so high if the prices of drugs weren’t so high.” Health-policy advocate John Rother, meanwhile, claims that “reducing price is something [drug] companies could do tomorrow.”
But drug prices aren’t arbitrary. The average biopharmaceutical therapy takes $1.2 billion and anywhere from 10 to 15 years to bring to market. Firms must charge high prices for certain brand-name drugs to make back this substantial investment with enough left over to fund research into the next generation of treatments.
And while insurers like to complain that sophisticated therapies cost too much, they tend to ignore the far higher costs of denying these medicines to patients.
Increased co-pays result in “nonadherence,” failure to take prescribed medications. And that equals increased rates of hospitalization, chronic heart failure and premature death.
And this adds to health outlays: According to a recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine, nonadherence costs the US health system from $100 billion to $289 billion a year.
In short, by making needed medications unaffordable — and by failing to cover newer, targeted therapies — insurers are jeopardizing patient health. And far from saving money, cutting off access to specialty drugs actually increases long-term health costs.
Specialty medications need to be treated as equivalent to other essential medical services — not as some luxury that only the wealthy can afford. But the ObamaCare law has only made the problem worse than ever.
Peter J. Pitts, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, is president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest.
These issues aren't unique to the ACA.
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Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.
Considering it started out as Death panels that would send your loved ones to concentration camps i would dare say its not that bad.
You disagree?
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Considering it started out as Death panels that would send your loved ones to concentration camps i would dare say its not that bad.
You disagree?
Damn, you on a roll today. LOL!
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It only means that I've been right about Obama, his agenda and his minions 97% of the time instead of 98%. Tell me again how great obamacare is and that we keep our doctor, won't affect the middle class and you'll save money. How did that work again?
What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time
Take this thread as an example. First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs
You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality. The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.
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What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time
Take this thread as an example. First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs
You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality. The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.
Hey fagget - read this - obamacare sucks and is owned.
http://news.investors.com/politics/081114-712602-obamacare-enrollment-falling-aetna-says.htm
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What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time
Take this thread as an example. First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs
You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality. The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You just don't get it do you?
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Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.
Well, that's a start. So good job admitting that ya may have fucked up a bit here.
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What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time
Take this thread as an example. First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs
You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality. The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.
Hey twit, I admitted it, unlike you who is still delusional enough to think this asshole is the best thing that ever happened to this country. No matter what the polls, no matter the failed policies since day one, no matter that he funds and arms terrorists, no matter what he does, he's your hero and wanna be butt boy. But why explain this to you, you (with a supposed degree in finance) still thinks that raising taxes to oblivion is the way to better the economy. Again, Obamacare is an easily proven disaster. But you just go ahead and keep supporting this loser. It really shows the lack of integrity you have in real life. Dolt.
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Hey twit, I admitted it, unlike you who is still delusional enough to think this asshole is the best thing that ever happened to this country. No matter what the polls, no matter the failed policies since day one, no matter that he funds and arms terrorists, no matter what he does, he's your hero and wanna be butt boy. But why explain this to you, you (with a supposed degree in finance) still thinks that raising taxes to oblivion is the way to better the economy. Again, Obamacare is an easily proven disaster. But you just go ahead and keep supporting this loser. It really shows the lack of integrity you have in real life. Dolt.
LOL - you only admitted your colossal self owning after first trying to deny it, change the subject, mock the language etc... Then you were finally shamed into it only to seem to forget your realization a few hours later.
I am very interested as to how you came to decide to make this thread. It's an obvious (to most) and well known fact that the right wing media has always lied to its constituents in order to get them scared and fired up. Of course, only the most dumb among your kind posts shit that was debunked over a year ago.
Seriously though, please tell us how you decided to make this thread last week. Did you recently get an email lauding Joe Barton's public lies or did you somehow stumble upon this yourself and just failed to spend the 25 seconds it took to fact check it before posting?
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LOL - you only admitted your colossal self owning after first trying to deny it, change the subject, mock the language etc... Then you were finally shamed into it only to seem to forget your realization a few hours later.
I am very interested as to how you came to decide to make this thread. It's an obvious (to most) and well known fact that the right wing media has always lied to its constituents in order to get them scared and fired up. Of course, only the most dumb among your kind posts shit that was debunked over a year ago.
Seriously though, please tell us how you decided to make this thread last week. Did you recently get an email lauding Joe Barton's public lies or did you somehow stumble upon this yourself and just failed to spend the 25 seconds it took to fact check it before posting?
HAHAHAHAHAH
http://www.greenvillegazette.com/results-reveald-see-the-percent-of-statements-made-by-foxnews-are-actually-true/
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HAHAHAHAHAH
http://www.greenvillegazette.com/results-reveald-see-the-percent-of-statements-made-by-foxnews-are-actually-true/
brhahahahahaha that don't surprise me,you don't have to go any further than getbig to see those results
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Obamacare is great
Obama is popular w the majority of people
The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber
ISIS means us no harm
Obama works hard at his job
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Keep dreaming you libs
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Obamacare is great
Obama is popular w the majority of people
The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber
ISIS means us no harm
Obama works hard at his job
________________________ _____________________
Keep dreaming you libs
my dream is you get a life of your own and stop living through obama
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my dream is you get a life of your own and stop living through obama
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/bombs-over-erbil
eat it lib twink
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Obamacare is great
Obama is popular w the majority of people
The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber
ISIS means us no harm
Obama works hard at his job
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Keep dreaming you libs
closet queen with OCD must make another post with his bullshit fantasies about Dems and Obama
That OCD is really a bitch on your back isn't it 333
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oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?
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oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?
I think it was 82% with the other 18% being forced to work in the Obama re-education camps after he collapses the nation and installs himself as dictator for life
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oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?
Had to be 66%. Because you can't expect 18% of doctors to be responsible for cities burning and society collapsing upon itself. You need a bit more than that to walk off their jobs you know....
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Obamacare is great
Obama is popular w the majority of people
The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber
ISIS means us no harm
Obama works hard at his job
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Keep dreaming you libs
Don't confuse them. After all, Isis is just a JV terror group.