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Title: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 11, 2008, 10:36:08 PM
Would finding out that your husband of many years (not your boyfriend) had seen a hooker end your relationship?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03112008/news/regionalnews/spitzer_has_used_hookers_for_6_years__so_101444.htm?page=0

Somehow, I doubt that this marriage is going to end over this.  Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 12, 2008, 06:13:34 AM
Would finding out that your husband of many years (not your boyfriend) had seen a hooker end your relationship?
Somehow, I doubt that this marriage is going to end over this.  Your thoughts?

Finding out something that affects so many people in so many ways

Hell Yes , he'd be in so much pain he'd never be right again  >:(
He humiliated her !!!! in front of the whole friggin' world !!

I'm really an odd person , here's my take on prostitution  > if he was able to afford me AND a few tricks a yr. , keep it wrapped up , make sure I don't get anything from it , and have yourself a blast .

You're as sick as your secrets
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 12, 2008, 06:44:17 AM
Would finding out that your husband of many years (not your boyfriend) had seen a hooker end your relationship?

Yes



Somehow, I doubt that this marriage is going to end over this.  Your thoughts?
I think it will end.



Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 12, 2008, 07:17:11 AM
Yes

Are you married?  Have you been married for years with children?  Or are you just answering theoretically?  Women who stay with a man who cheated are often criticized, but I think it's a lot harder to give up on a marriage after you've invested so many years together and children are involved.  Especially if you love the guy and he is otherwise (aside from cheating with a hooker :-\ ) a good spouse.


I think it will end.

The fact that Silda stood there next to him during his little news conference suggests to me that she may not leave him.  He'd be in the doghouse for a good long while and she could milk that for a while...  ;)   Seriously, with a lot of marriage counseling they could work things out and still make a go of it, don't you think?

Here's another thought.  Assuming she leaves him what are his prospects?  Would you date someone who had this very public episode in his past even if he had $$?  If not you, what kind of woman would date or marry a man like this?  It's not as if he is 80; his romantic life is far from over.  If he ends up single when this is all over, what sort of woman does he go for?  A young bimbo with no standards?  A submissive foreign woman who is not clued into American scandals?


The unspoken element in all the press coverage of this story is what I call the "cockroach effect."  For every one you see, there are literally dozens you don't see.  Hillary Clinton, Jim McGreevy, Terry McMillan, Mrs. Larry Craig, Mrs. Ted Haggard--all had cheating spouses but the incidence of infidelity is far more common than all these judgmental talking heads on TV seem prepared to acknowledge.

No one--especially no woman--should be quick to judge Silda Spitzer.  Remember the wife of Senator David Vitter (R-La)?  Years ago in an interview she mocked Hillary Clinton and indicated she had better control of her man and that she would not tolerate him cheating on her.  Fast forward a few years and her words came back to haunt her when her husband's name and number showed up on the DC Madam's phone records.  http://www.thekansan.com/stories/071007/topstories_071007006.shtml
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 12, 2008, 07:26:45 AM
If his wife swallowed............... ........he wouldn't have "spit"

get it??

swallowed
spit

spitzer

hahha?
no?


never  mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   >:(
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 12, 2008, 08:39:57 AM
I have absolutely no tolerance for anyone who cheats.  They wouldn't even have the opportunity to remove my shoe from their ass before they were out the door.  ;)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 12, 2008, 08:59:32 AM
I have absolutely no tolerance for anyone who cheats.  They wouldn't even have the opportunity to remove my shoe from their ass before they were out the door.  ;)

Would you consider "Machine Porn" (Sybian) cheating???????................
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 12, 2008, 09:08:50 AM
Would you consider "Machine Porn" (Sybian) cheating???????................
I'd consider it having a problem in your relationship that you have the need to use one.  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 12, 2008, 10:20:59 AM
Are you married?  Have you been married for years with children?  Or are you just answering theoretically?  Women who stay with a man who cheated are often criticized, but I think it's a lot harder to give up on a marriage after you've invested so many years together and children are involved.  Especially if you love the guy and he is otherwise (aside from cheating with a hooker :-\ ) a good spouse.

Yes, I've been married almost 14 years.  No children.

I'm not criticizing anyone who stays w/a cheater...that is their decision. 

Your question was if he cheated w/a hooker....that indicates to me a planned, intentionally devious escapade.  It's not like it was a "mistake."  If he sought out and paid for a  hooker, he is not who I thought he was. 



Here's another thought.  Assuming she leaves him what are his prospects?  Would you date someone who had this very public episode in his past even if he had $$?  If not you, what kind of woman would date or marry a man like this? 

No, I wouldn't date him.  I don't know who would date him; I'm sure there are plenty of women that wouldn't have a problem w/it and that's fine for them.

  If he ends up single when this is all over, what sort of woman does he go for? 

probably hookers





The unspoken element in all the press coverage of this story is what I call the "cockroach effect."  For every one you see, there are literally dozens you don't see.  Hillary Clinton, Jim McGreevy, Terry McMillan, Mrs. Larry Craig, Mrs. Ted Haggard--all had cheating spouses but the incidence of infidelity is far more common than all these judgmental talking heads on TV seem prepared to acknowledge.

No one--especially no woman--should be quick to judge Silda Spitzer.  Remember the wife of Senator David Vitter (R-La)?  Years ago in an interview she mocked Hillary Clinton and indicated she had better control of her man and that she would not tolerate him cheating on her.  Fast forward a few years and her words came back to haunt her when her husband's name and number showed up on the DC Madam's phone records.  http://www.thekansan.com/stories/071007/topstories_071007006.shtml

Are people judging Silda?  I haven't seen that.





The fact that Silda stood there next to him during his little news conference suggests to me that she may not leave him.  He'd be in the doghouse for a good long while and she could milk that for a while...  ;)   Seriously, with a lot of marriage counseling they could work things out and still make a go of it, don't you think?



Why stand by these men?
A disgraced politician apologizes to the public, wife by his side. He has to be there. What's her reason?
By Nara Schoenberg
March 12, 2008

The sight of a political wife standing at her husband's side as he issues an awkward apology in connection with an alleged sexual indiscretion is at once heart-wrenchingly particular and oddly familiar.

Haven't we seen it all before?

Indeed, Silda Wall Spitzer's appearance in support of her husband, Eliot, the New York governor who allegedly met with a prostitute, echoed that of Dina McGreevey, the former New Jersey first lady whose husband in 2004 admitted to an affair with a man, right down to the wife's choice of attire (pastel blue jacket) and accessories (demure pearls).
 
In what is developing into a set piece of American political scandal, Silda Spitzer chose to deploy the silence of Suzanne Craig, wife of Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, and the G-rated physical contact (hand-holding) of Carlita Kilpatrick, wife of Kwame Kilpatrick, mayor of Detroit.

"That's always" the case, that the wife makes an official appearance in the face of sexual scandal, says Kathleen Gilbert, an associate professor of family studies at Indiana University. "Even if they want to kill him, they're there."

What these women are going through is probably "pretty horrifying," says Gilbert, but their options are few: "Just try to put yourself in their shoes and think of all these years you have portrayed a public role. In some ways, it becomes automatic. This is what you do. You're a good soldier and you go in and you play the role."

Many political spouses are impressive figures in their own right, including Silda Spitzer, a Harvard-trained lawyer.

Experts offered a wide range of reasons why a political spouse might choose to undergo the humiliation of a public appearance in behalf of her husband: the alleged indiscretion might be a first stumble, the wife might be planning divorce but want the best possible settlement, or she might be deeply invested in her husband's political agenda.

Dina McGreevey said in an " Oprah Winfrey" interview that it was difficult to appear at her husband's side, but she did so for the sake of their then 2-year-old daughter.

"I thought about it, and I thought, well, I've stood by his side all these years. We have a daughter together, and one day she's going to hear about this or read about it, and she's going to ask me, 'Mommy, why weren't you at Daddy's side?'" she says.

The appearance by the wife accomplishes at least one thing, according to Northwestern University political science professor Kenneth Janda: "It tends to make the offense seem somewhat less serious. If the wife were not there, it would appear the family had fallen apart."

Interestingly, though, the trot-out-the-wife technique may be no more beneficial to politicians than it is pleasant for their spouses.

"It rarely works," says Brian Gaines, an assistant professor at the Institute of Government and Public Affairs at the University of Illinois.

"McGreevey was basically throwing in the towel anyway. He was stepping down. Craig I think is making it interesting and stretching it out, but I think his political career is over as well" as a result of allegations he tried to solicit sex in an airport restroom.

In political science, researchers have found that likability is not nearly as important in weathering a scandal as competence, Gaines says.

"People will forgive a scandal if they think a politician or candidate is particularly competent. And in [Bill] Clinton's case I think it was competence that saved him. People thought: Well, I wouldn't want him alone in an elevator with my daughter, but he seems pretty good at running the economy."

And what of the women who are called upon to perform the painful -- and maybe ineffective -- role of supportive spouse in a sex scandal?

Some, most notably Hillary Clinton, emerge largely unscathed, although it is worth noting that she did not appear at her husband's side during the live televised address in which he confessed to an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky.

Suzanne Craig is still soldiering on, according to news reports.

Silda Spitzer, 50, who is raising three teenage daughters, has not yet deviated from the standard script.

But McGreevey not only appeared on "Oprah" but wrote a book, "Silent Partner: A Memoir of My Marriage."

McGreevey, who listened with an incongruous smile on her face as her husband announced that he was gay, later told Winfrey, "I smiled because I didn't want to break down. But, as his world was falling apart, he was still choreographing the entire day and how everything would play out. [He] told me when to smile, what to say if I was asked a question by reporters.

"He was telling me what to do, and he said, 'You have to be Jackie Kennedy today.' And I'm thinking, 'Jackie Kennedy -- her husband was murdered. You lied and cheated on me, and I have to be Jackie Kennedy?'"


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 12, 2008, 10:26:45 AM
Yes, I've been married almost 14 years.  No children.

I'm not criticizing anyone who stays w/a cheater...that is their decision. 

Your question was if he cheated w/a hooker....that indicates to me a planned, intentionally devious escapade.  It's not like it was a "mistake."  If he sought out and paid for a  hooker, he is not who I thought he was. 

No, I wouldn't date him.  I don't know who would date him; I'm sure there are plenty of women that wouldn't have a problem w/it and that's fine for them.
probably hookers

Are people judging Silda?  I haven't seen that.



Why stand by these men?
A disgraced politician apologizes to the public, wife by his side. He has to be there. What's her reason?
By Nara Schoenberg
March 12, 2008

The sight of a political wife standing at her husband's side as he issues an awkward apology in connection with an alleged sexual indiscretion is at once heart-wrenchingly particular and oddly familiar.

Haven't we seen it all before?

Indeed, Silda Wall Spitzer's appearance in support of her husband, Eliot, the New York governor who allegedly met with a prostitute, echoed that of Dina McGreevey, the former New Jersey first lady whose husband in 2004 admitted to an affair with a man, right down to the wife's choice of attire (pastel blue jacket) and accessories (demure pearls).
 
In what is developing into a set piece of American political scandal, Silda Spitzer chose to deploy the silence of Suzanne Craig, wife of Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, and the G-rated physical contact (hand-holding) of Carlita Kilpatrick, wife of Kwame Kilpatrick, mayor of Detroit.

"That's always" the case, that the wife makes an official appearance in the face of sexual scandal, says Kathleen Gilbert, an associate professor of family studies at Indiana University. "Even if they want to kill him, they're there."

What these women are going through is probably "pretty horrifying," says Gilbert, but their options are few: "Just try to put yourself in their shoes and think of all these years you have portrayed a public role. In some ways, it becomes automatic. This is what you do. You're a good soldier and you go in and you play the role."

Many political spouses are impressive figures in their own right, including Silda Spitzer, a Harvard-trained lawyer.

Experts offered a wide range of reasons why a political spouse might choose to undergo the humiliation of a public appearance in behalf of her husband: the alleged indiscretion might be a first stumble, the wife might be planning divorce but want the best possible settlement, or she might be deeply invested in her husband's political agenda.

Dina McGreevey said in an " Oprah Winfrey" interview that it was difficult to appear at her husband's side, but she did so for the sake of their then 2-year-old daughter.

"I thought about it, and I thought, well, I've stood by his side all these years. We have a daughter together, and one day she's going to hear about this or read about it, and she's going to ask me, 'Mommy, why weren't you at Daddy's side?'" she says.

The appearance by the wife accomplishes at least one thing, according to Northwestern University political science professor Kenneth Janda: "It tends to make the offense seem somewhat less serious. If the wife were not there, it would appear the family had fallen apart."

Interestingly, though, the trot-out-the-wife technique may be no more beneficial to politicians than it is pleasant for their spouses.

"It rarely works," says Brian Gaines, an assistant professor at the Institute of Government and Public Affairs at the University of Illinois.

"McGreevey was basically throwing in the towel anyway. He was stepping down. Craig I think is making it interesting and stretching it out, but I think his political career is over as well" as a result of allegations he tried to solicit sex in an airport restroom.

In political science, researchers have found that likability is not nearly as important in weathering a scandal as competence, Gaines says.

"People will forgive a scandal if they think a politician or candidate is particularly competent. And in [Bill] Clinton's case I think it was competence that saved him. People thought: Well, I wouldn't want him alone in an elevator with my daughter, but he seems pretty good at running the economy."

And what of the women who are called upon to perform the painful -- and maybe ineffective -- role of supportive spouse in a sex scandal?

Some, most notably Hillary Clinton, emerge largely unscathed, although it is worth noting that she did not appear at her husband's side during the live televised address in which he confessed to an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky.

Suzanne Craig is still soldiering on, according to news reports.

Silda Spitzer, 50, who is raising three teenage daughters, has not yet deviated from the standard script.

But McGreevey not only appeared on "Oprah" but wrote a book, "Silent Partner: A Memoir of My Marriage."

McGreevey, who listened with an incongruous smile on her face as her husband announced that he was gay, later told Winfrey, "I smiled because I didn't want to break down. But, as his world was falling apart, he was still choreographing the entire day and how everything would play out. [He] told me when to smile, what to say if I was asked a question by reporters.

"He was telling me what to do, and he said, 'You have to be Jackie Kennedy today.' And I'm thinking, 'Jackie Kennedy -- her husband was murdered. You lied and cheated on me, and I have to be Jackie Kennedy?'"




Jess!................please keep your posts down to a Short Story (not a Novel!)

TY!.........(the management)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 12, 2008, 10:30:55 AM
Jess!................please keep your posts down to a Short Story (not a Novel!)

TY!.........(the management)
Just don't read the article guy!  I mean Goober!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: ~flower~ on March 12, 2008, 10:57:30 AM
yes, he has a problem, and total disregard for the health of his wife.


 
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 12, 2008, 10:59:40 AM
Stella:

For the most part, I like your answers.  You go girl!

>Q. If he ends up single when this is all over, what sort of woman does he go for?

>A. probably hookers

I don’t’ think he would go for a hooker type.  At least not for a relationship.  Remember, his wife was also a Harvard law school grad.  I think guys like this want what they consider a peer in a relationship.  Someone respectable they can introduce to family and friends, & whom they can enjoy talking to day to day... but they want a whore in the sac.  Someone who will do whatever they want with no questions ask. 

Hmm, I think I just described myself!   :-[ ;D

Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 12, 2008, 11:02:10 AM
Just don't read the article guy!  I mean Goober!

 ;D

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Karmalot/Goober.jpg)




ps : Spitzer is one goofy looking dude , his choices would be limited  ::) unless he's still loaded with cash
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: calmus on March 12, 2008, 11:04:43 AM


 ::) at Bay comparing himself to Spitzer.

Spitzer's dad is worth close to a billion dollars.

And Spitzer can be quite personable.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 12, 2008, 11:23:13 AM

 ::) at Bay comparing himself to Spitzer.

Spitzer's dad is worth close to a billion dollars.

And Spitzer can be quite personable.

I'm sure there will always be someone willing to hook up with him

I just know they won't be there for his "charm"

he's a putz with big ears and a idiot look about him


his name should be Goober
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: calmus on March 12, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
I'm sure there will always be someone willing to hook up with him

I just know they won't be there for his "charm"

he's a putz with big ears and a idiot look about him


his name should be Goober

LOL.  He's an extremely wealthy, intelligent, and ambitious man.  I doubt there's five women in a hundred who wouldn't jump in the sack with him. 

The interesting thing is he opted for a hooker.... 


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 12, 2008, 12:16:25 PM

Here's another thought.  Assuming she leaves him what are his prospects?  Would you date someone who had this very public episode in his past even if he had $$?  If not you, what kind of woman would date or marry a man like this? 

Apparently, you're not familiar with the upper-eastside of Manhattan. He'll get another woman in 2 seconds flat.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: freespirit on March 12, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
LOL.  He's an extremely wealthy, intelligent, and ambitious man.  I doubt there's five women in a hundred who wouldn't jump in the sack with him. 

The interesting thing is he opted for a hooker.... 




Maybe hookers are easier to get rid of.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 12, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
Maybe hookers are easier to get rid of.

"You don't pay a hooker for sex... you pay her to leave."
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 240 is Back on March 12, 2008, 06:17:05 PM
He's worth $400 million?

he'll do okay if he ends up single.  Woman always seem to find the inner beauty of very rich men.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 13, 2008, 02:29:01 AM
What I find really fascinating is that the population is so quick to want to impeach a man from public service for private indiscretions, ...but will readily accept men whose public lying, cheating, stealing, and reckless profiteering from his public office leads to so many dead people both at home & abroad.  :-\  Boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 13, 2008, 05:51:43 AM
Stella:

For the most part, I like your answers.  You go girl!

>Q. If he ends up single when this is all over, what sort of woman does he go for?

>A. probably hookers

I don’t’ think he would go for a hooker type.  At least not for a relationship.  Remember, his wife was also a Harvard law school grad.  I think guys like this want what they consider a peer in a relationship.  Someone respectable they can introduce to family and friends, & whom they can enjoy talking to day to day... but they want a whore in the sac.  Someone who will do whatever they want with no questions ask. 

Hmm, I think I just described myself!   :-[ ;D


Do you think he'll keep seeing hookers on the side?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 13, 2008, 05:54:25 AM
Do you think he'll keep seeing hookers on the side?

That's what I've been wondering too STella  :-\
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 13, 2008, 05:56:45 AM
That's what I've been wondering too STella  :-\
Yeah, seems like whomever dates him if he becomes single should take it into consideration
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 13, 2008, 07:28:01 AM
Do you think he'll keep seeing hookers on the side?

Probably, ...but it's none of my business if he does.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 13, 2008, 07:34:37 AM

Are people judging Silda?  I haven't seen that.

Yes, they are!  Over the last few days I've seen lots news reports and talking heads on TV questioning why she would 'stand by her man' at a time like this?  Similar judgments have appeared in opinion pieces in lots of newspapers.  Worst of all, women have joined in this activity swearing up and down that no woman should be standing up there humiliated with her husband.  We should all hold our tongues on this issue because life has a way of throwing curve balls.  Remember the DC madame and her long phone list of johns?

Wendy Vitter, wife of Sen. David Vitter, learned that it is easy to make catty remarks from the sidelines - until your husband gets caught in a sex scandal. When asked in 2000 how she'd react if her husband cheated on her, she invoked Lorena Bobbitt, who famously cut off the penis of her philandering husband who she said also was abusive.

"I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary (Clinton). If he (Vitter) does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me," Wendy Vitter said then. But when her husband stood before the cameras to talk about his name appearing in the records of an escort service, she stood by him
looking humiliated.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/12/MN37VI8QI.DTL
http://i.abcnews.com/GMA/story?id=3384855

Even Silda has found herself eating her own words.

A decade ago, as she watched then-First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton humiliated by her intern-loving hubby, Silda Wall Spitzer made clear her intentions if Eliot ever cheated.
"That would never be me. I'd be gone," Silda told friends, a pal told The Post.

But Silda, for the second time in a week, donned a tailored designer skirt suit and appeared to be standing by her hooker-loving hubby yesterday, even as the fairy tale has soured behind closed doors.

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/03132008/news/regionalnews/that_would_never_be_me_101742.htm


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 13, 2008, 07:37:07 AM
Extract foot from mouth.  Lather. Rinse. Repeat.  :-\
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 13, 2008, 07:45:19 AM
Probably, ...but it's none of my business if he does.

you're Canadian so is anything that goes on here like this going to affect you ?

and he's out of office come Monday we'll have a new Govenor so none of us will care what he does

I'm a NY'er and I find this another scab on my state inflicted by an idiot who couldn't think with the proper head
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 13, 2008, 07:51:41 AM
you're Canadian so is anything that goes on here like this going to affect you ?

You'd be surprised how interconnected our two socities are.

Quote
and he's out of office come Monday we'll have a new Govenor so none of us will care what he does

I'm a NY'er and I find this another scab on my state inflicted by an idiot who couldn't think with the proper head

The only "scab on the state" as you put it, are the self-righteous who can't keep their noses out of other people's bedrooms. This should be between him and his wife.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 13, 2008, 08:08:38 AM


The only "scab on the state" as you put it, are the self-righteous who can't keep their noses out of other people's bedrooms. This should be between him and his wife.

well then HE should have invited HER into a 3-some and not kept a dirty little secret

Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 13, 2008, 08:59:11 AM
Yes, they are!  
That's interesting :(

I think she may be in shock and that is why she is standing by him at this time.  I still think she will leave him at some point.



This should be between him and his wife.
And some hookers!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 13, 2008, 07:52:59 PM

I think she may be in shock and that is why she is standing by him at this time.  I still think she will leave him at some point.


I blame her 100% for all this.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Playboy on March 14, 2008, 05:19:16 AM

 ::) at Bay comparing himself to Spitzer.

Spitzer's dad is worth close to a billion dollars.

And Spitzer can be quite personable.
Exacty...Spitzer's dad is worth close to a billion dollars...which is the exact reason why his idiot wife is "standing by her man". No normal woman/person in their right mind would stay with any man who had sexual affairs with multiple hookers/escorts. In the end, greed gets 'em all. In the end, its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 07:43:40 AM
Exacty...Spitzer's dad is worth close to a billion dollars...which is the exact reason why his idiot wife is "standing by her man". No normal woman/person in their right mind would stay with any man who had sexual affairs with multiple hookers/escorts. In the end, greed gets 'em all. In the end, its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I disagree.  The motivation you describe may be true for you and the company you keep, but it is certainly not true for everyone or every woman, particularly a woman who already has (or has access to money).  Remember, Silda is a well educated professional; she made very good money as a (corporate?) attorney before she started raising her family—in fact she made much more money than her husband.

Lots of (not famous) people stay together after affairs, multiple affairs, or episodes with hookers—particularly when a long marriage or children are involved.  You just don’t know about it because they are not celebrities. 

Maybe you cannot understand it because you are a person of modest means or you’ve never been married for a long time or been invested in a relationship that you want to save, but take a lesson from Wendy Vitter (above); it is easy to make catty comments from the sidelines, but people who do so most often don't know what they are talking about.

I’m not judging the decision to stay as right or wrong, but I think it’s a mistake to assume that everyone is motivated by the same things you are.  Btw, if Silda wanted to leave it’s clear she could do so with a sizeable settlement--and she may yet do so throwing your theory out the window.

Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Mydavid on March 14, 2008, 07:49:37 AM
Somehow, I doubt that this marriage is going to end over this.  Your thoughts?

I agree with you BayGBM...these people in the celebrity or political spotlight seem to deal with it differently. I would be a wreck...i was a wreck (well for a couple of weeks, at least) when the first hubby cheated on me and i even knew we were not the ones for eachother...it was HUMILIATING and i can't imagine standing there on TV still all goo goo eyed at the hubby (Clinton was a prime example, too). Maybe when these people get together it's different and their love is more on the surface if that makes sense.

Lisa
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
dude look at his wife ...............now look at the whore


if you were a guy who would you rather sleep with??!?!?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 08:29:27 AM
dude look at his wife ...............now look at the whore


if you were a guy who would you rather sleep with??!?!?

Ok, but we have not seen pix of the whore(s) David Vitter romped with.  The above is a pic of Spitzer's whore. And in fairness to Vitter's catty wife, she was not exactly at her best when her pic was taken.  Can any 50 something wife compete with a 20 something whore for sex appeal?  It's not a fair comparison.  :-[

Anyhow, give me a choice between a muscledaddy (Leo) and a muscle son (Ryan) and I'd  take the daddy.  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 14, 2008, 08:30:00 AM
dude look at his wife ...............now look at the whore


if you were a guy who would you rather sleep with??!?!?
Is that your reasoning?  Shit, let's hope some better looking whore doesn't introduce herself to you.  >:(


Mr. Arvilla, let me introduce you to the sleep sofa in the other bedroom.  >:(
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 08:30:55 AM
Ok, but we have not seen pix of the whore(s) David Vitter romped with.  The above is a pic of Spitzer's whore. And in fairness to Vitter's catty wife, she was not exactly at her best when her pic was taken.  Can any 50 something wife compete with a 20 something whore for sex appeal?  It's not a fair comparison.  :-[


Life isn't fair Bro!  ;D..................
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 08:32:10 AM
Is that your reasoning?  Shit, let's hope some better looking whore doesn't introduce herself to you.  >:(


Mr. Arvilla, let me introduce you to the sleep sofa in the other bedroom.  >:(

Hee hee  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 08:32:21 AM
Is that your reasoning?  Shit, let's hope some better looking whore doesn't introduce herself to you.  >:(


Mr. Arvilla, let me introduce you to the sleep sofa in the other bedroom.  >:(

im just playing devils advocate................ ......(trying to stir things up a bit!)

you should know that/me by now


i love you!



                                                                                                        (even when your 50 ) ;)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 08:32:53 AM
well then HE should have invited HER into a 3-some and not kept a dirty little secret


Well I happen to be of the opinion that one man's private actions regardless of his profession are not a reflection of the state.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 08:33:12 AM
Hee hee  ;D

          >:(
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 08:39:31 AM
I disagree.  The motivation you describe may be true for you and the company you keep, but it is certainly not true for everyone or every woman, particularly a woman who already has (or has access to money).  Remember, Silda is a well educated professional; she made very good money as a (corporate?) attorney before she started raising her family—in fact she made much more money than her husband.

Lots of (not famous) people stay together after affairs, multiple affairs, or episodes with hookers—particularly when a long marriage or children are involved.  You just don’t know about it because they are not celebrities. 

Maybe you cannot understand it because you are a person of modest means or you’ve never been married for a long time or been invested in a relationship that you want to save, but take a lesson from Wendy Vitter (above); it is easy to make catty comments from the sidelines, but people who do so most often don't know what they are talking about.

I’m not judging the decision to stay as right or wrong, but I think it’s a mistake to assume that everyone is motivated by the same things you are.  Btw, if Silda wanted to leave it’s clear she could do so with a sizeable settlement--and she may yet do so throwing your theory out the window.


Exactly!

What I find so surprising is everyone's assumption that she had no idea whatsoever. The Spitzers live in a different world than most people here. It's also not inconceivable that in her eyes, his crime was not the hookers, but in the getting caught. In fact, in her circles, knowing he kept prostitutes may even be preferable to his having a mistress. I'm not sure how she feels about his reported aversion to condom use, ...but that's something they're going to have to deal with.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 08:40:36 AM
Is that your reasoning?  Shit, let's hope some better looking whore doesn't introduce herself to you.  >:(


Mr. Arvilla, let me introduce you to the sleep sofa in the other bedroom.  >:(

There is no better looking whor..................wa it a second!

there is no better looking woman than this!!!!


(phew!)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 14, 2008, 08:42:42 AM
im just playing devils advocate................ ......(trying to stir things up a bit!)

you should know that/me by now


i love you!

                                                                                                        (even when your 50 ) ;)
Well, truth be told, hope he had his fun because if she does leave him....she's taking a whole lotta cash and leaving a funny looking, pathetic, obviously stupid, cheater of a man.  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 08:45:51 AM
Ok, but we have not seen pix of the whore(s) David Vitter romped with.  The above is a pic of Spitzer's whore. And in fairness to Vitter's catty wife, she was not exactly at her best when her pic was taken.  Can any 50 something wife compete with a 20 something whore for sex appeal?  It's not a fair comparison.  :-[


Exactly! Now if you ask the man who he'd rather have by his side, as his life partner, watching his back, supporting him in his goals, achieving & accomplishing life goals together, ...and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he'd chose his 50 something talented, educated, experienced, 50 something wife over a 20 something escort any day of the week. Sex is sex, but creating a life is something else entirely.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Playboy on March 14, 2008, 08:56:26 AM
In politics, money talks and bullshit walks. I still stand by my opinion earlier because if you think for one second that Silda is not staying with him for $$$ then you're living in a fantasy land.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 14, 2008, 08:59:40 AM
In politics, money talks and bullshit walks. I still stand by my opinion earlier because if you think for one second that Silda is not staying with him for $$$ then you're living in a fantasy land.
Only if there was a pre-nup.  Otherwise...his ass is grass.  >:(
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 09:02:22 AM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/blflammia/test1.gif)


pass the glow sticks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 09:04:48 AM
In politics, money talks and bullshit walks. I still stand by my opinion earlier because if you think for one second that Silda is not staying with him for $$$ then you're living in a fantasy land.

But the subject at hand is not politics, it is the Spitzer marriage. His political career is most likely over, ...for a few years anyway.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 14, 2008, 09:11:04 AM
Who is that?  She has HUGE eyeballs.  :P
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 14, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Who is that?  She has HUGE eyeballs.  :P
one hit wonder.................. .she sang that song live at Tantra



pretty good! 

(i was on like 20 hits of E tho.................2 dogs howling prolly sound good to me then!)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Laura Lee on March 14, 2008, 09:25:22 AM
one hit wonder.................. .she sang that song live at Tantra



pretty good! 

(i was on like 20 hits of E tho.................2 dogs howling prolly sound good to me then!)
20 hits?  :o   It's a wonder you have any brain function.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Playboy on March 14, 2008, 10:00:26 AM
Only if there was a pre-nup.  Otherwise...his ass is grass.  >:(
You are right there....there is no room for infidilty.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 10:14:36 AM
Are people judging Silda?  I haven't seen that.

Yep... and they are still doing it...


What Was Silda Spitzer Thinking?

Once, just once, wouldn’t you love to see the politician up there at the lectern sweating bullets, apologizing for letting down his wife and family …. alone?

Once, just once, wouldn’t you love to see the wife issuing her own statement saying that what he had done was unacceptable and that she was leaving him?

Wouldn’t that be morally correct?

But instead, again and again, we see the pathetic, ravaged faces of these women victims, standing supportively beside their husbands as they allow themselves to be excruciatingly humiliated in front of the whole world.

We really haven’t come a long way baby, have we? Certainly not in the case of women married to elected officials.

For the past few days since the Spitzer scandal broke, all anyone has been talking about is why? Why would a guy with a fabulous education, brilliant career, powerful position, beautiful and brainy wife and a lovely family, risk losing everything for a couple of evenings with a hooker.

I’m asking why, too. Why would a beautiful and brainy wife with three wonderful children allow herself to be put in this hideous situation for even 49 seconds -- the time it took to apologize. Much less do it all over again two days later when her husband resigned as New York’s governor.

I know why he did what he did. Because he could. Arrogance and power are a lethal combination, and men who combine both often begin to believe in their own invincibility.

The more baffling question to me is why she did it. All I could think of, watching Silda Spitzer’s defeated expression, was of Taliban women covered from head to toe in burqa, standing a few paces behind their men, appendages to their all powerful husbands. Or Indian women committing sati, throwing themselves on their husband’s funeral pyre.

American women are so quick to criticize the religious tradition of others, where women take a subservient position – but are we so different? That’s not what the Spitzer scandal suggests.

One can only assume that the women who do this are just as enamored of the power and the position as their men. Of course their power is derivative, which makes it all the more difficult to lose. (It was reported that Silda Spitzer did not want her husband to resign.) Would Hillary Clinton have run for the Senate or even President had she not stood by her man after the Monica Lewinsky episode and insisted he not resign? We’ll never know.

I have been writing about this for decades. I could run a story I wrote in the seventies today and it would read exactly the same way. Remember Mrs. Gary Hart, Mrs. Bob Livingston, Mrs. Larry Craig, Mrs. David Vitter? Certainly Hillary Clinton comes to mind as a competent and successful woman in her own right, standing next to her husband over and over again as he lied to her and to the country about his dalliances. It is such a demeaning role for women to play and one that should have stopped a long time ago.

Think of the message this image sends -- not to just adults, but to young children, both boys and girls. For young girls, it says this is an acceptable role for women -- to be lied to, cheated on, disrespected and humiliated in public/ You take it and must still be supportive. because that is what is expected of women.

For boys, it says it’s okay to lie and cheat and dishonor your family, and you might grow up to be a senator or a governor or a president. You can get away with it.

I know that many women are supportive of those who stand by their man, for no other stated reason than to keep the family together. Imagine, though, the scars that the children will suffer from getting conflicting messages. Surely they are taught to be honest and to honor their family, but suddenly it is also to do as I say and not what I do.

Shouldn’t we expect that anyone who betrays his family and the public trust to pay the consequences for his actions?

That is why these wives must stop standing supportively next to their husbands as they confess and explain and apologize. They are just as enabling of them in their shame as they were in their glory.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/03/what_was_silda_spitzer_thinkin.html
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Playboy on March 14, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
In all honesty, who cares. There will always be corruption in politics. Look at Clinton? He went through simular crap. A scandal is a scandal. If she chooses to stay with him even knowing full well that he's been with other women, then that's her cross to bare. Its their marriage and their life.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 14, 2008, 01:01:23 PM
She should thank her lucky stars for a man like Spitz!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 14, 2008, 01:04:27 PM
She should thank her lucky stars for a man like Spitz!

Mrs. spits 

vs

hooker who gargles

yep sounds like a perfect marriage
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 01:21:01 PM
Yep... and they are still doing it...


What Was Silda Spitzer Thinking?

Once, just once, wouldn’t you love to see the politician up there at the lectern sweating bullets, apologizing for letting down his wife and family …. alone?

Once, just once, wouldn’t you love to see the wife issuing her own statement saying that what he had done was unacceptable and that she was leaving him?

Sally Quinn is forgetting about that wife in Europe... I can't remember if it was Berlusconi's or someone else's who wrote a letter to the editor of the national newspaper excoriating her husband for some innappropriate public remarks he made about another women. She described his comments as both sexist, and demeaning to all women, and particularly offensive & humiliating to her, and demanded a public apology and for him to conduct himself in a manner more worthy of her, her children, and the office he held. To top it off, the letter was sent to the editor of a rival newspaper to the one her husband owned. She roasted his cohones and stood up for herself in a way that was a PR nightmare for him. I can only imgine how uncomfortable she made it for him BEHIND closed doors. {lol}
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 14, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
GEEZ   , an apology for disparaging remarks  ::)


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 01:28:41 PM
Sally Quinn is forgetting about that wife in Europe... I can't remember if it was Berlusconi's or someone else's who wrote a letter to the editor of the national newspaper excoriating her husband for some innappropriate public remarks he made about another women. She described his comments as both sexist, and demeaning to all women, and particularly offensive & humiliating to her, and demanded a public apology and for him to conduct himself in a manner more worthy of her, her children, and the office he held. To top it off, the letter was sent to the editor of a rival newspaper to the one her husband owned. She roasted his cohones and stood up for herself in a way that was a PR nightmare for him. I can only imgine how uncomfortable she made it for him BEHIND closed doors. {lol}

I believe it was in Italy and the man was none other than (former prime minister) Silvio Berlusconi a consumate womanizer.  His wife took out an ad in the paper excoriating him for his bad behavior and demanding an apology. Which he promptly provided.

Now that's whip appeal!  :)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 02:07:54 PM
I believe it was in Italy and the man was none other than (former prime minister) Silvio Berlusconi a consumate womanizer.  His wife took out an ad in the paper excoriating him for his bad behavior and demanding an apology. Which he promptly provided.

Now that's whip appeal!  :)

Silvio Berlusconi, ...the poster boy for men who behave badly. I can only imagine what she must have had to endure over the years. Talk about feeding 2 birds with one worm. Newspaper sales skyrocketed, but it was the rival newspaper that benefitted from the skyrocketing sales.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 14, 2008, 02:35:37 PM
Silvio Berlusconi, ...the poster boy for men who behave badly. I can only imagine what she must have had to endure over the years. Talk about feeding 2 birds with one worm. Newspaper sales skyrocketed, but it was the rival newspaper that benefitted from the skyrocketing sales.

There's things that really should be kept private between husbands and wives  :-\
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 02:42:51 PM
There's things that really should be kept private between husbands and wives  :-\

I agree, but in Mrs. Berlusconi's case, ...I think she had just had enough.
It was clear the private communication hadn't done much to resolve the problem.
I guess she decided to tackle the problem using a different approach, which was evidently very effective.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with someone who decides to air his/her dirty laundry in public.
As someone party to the situation that's her right to do I suppose. I just have a problem with it when someone outside of the situation takes it upon themselves to air someone else's dirty laundry in public.
It's like we've turned into a society of self-righteous & sanctimonious tabloid reporters. That, I don't believe they have the right to do.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
Silvio Berlusconi, ...the poster boy for men who behave badly. I can only imagine what she must have had to endure over the years. Talk about feeding 2 birds with one worm. Newspaper sales skyrocketed, but it was the rival newspaper that benefitted from the skyrocketing sales.

Being a vain billionaire and leader of a country must have fed his ego like nothing else.  Like you, I think his wife simply had enough.  Even in his 60s Berlusconi was having cosmetic surgery to look more fetching to voters and women.  How could his poor wife (or anyone) compete with that guy's ego?

I think (a big) ego is the common element in all these cases: Vitter, Clinton, Spitzer, Berlusconi...  Let's face it, a shrinking violet is not going into politics.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 14, 2008, 04:39:03 PM
I agree, but in Mrs. Berlusconi's case, ...I think she had just had enough.
It was clear the private communication hadn't done much to resolve the problem.
I guess she decided to tackle the problem using a different approach, which was evidently very effective.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with someone who decides to air his/her dirty laundry in public.
As someone party to the situation that's her right to do I suppose. I just have a problem with it when someone outside of the situation takes it upon themselves to air someone else's dirty laundry in public.
It's like we've turned into a society of self-righteous & sanctimonious tabloid reporters. That, I don't believe they have the right to do.

Personally , I can live with every bit of my dirty laundry being aired on any headline.
I don't think any public representative that claims to represent a citizen in my country in any way has a right to expect anything less than full disclosure or suffer the consequences if it's found out by anyone else.

Self worth instead of self absorption

Self respect instead of self centered

dignity not disgrace


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 14, 2008, 07:05:05 PM
Personally , I can live with every bit of my dirty laundry being aired on any headline.
I don't think any public representative that claims to represent a citizen in my country in any way has a right to expect anything less than full disclosure or suffer the consequences if it's found out by anyone else.

Self worth instead of self absorption

Self respect instead of self centered

dignity not disgrace


Fair enough. When are you marching on Washington? ...Or is it Crawford?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: freespirit on March 15, 2008, 02:33:24 AM
Well, truth be told, hope he had his fun because if she does leave him....she's taking a whole lotta cash and leaving a funny looking, pathetic, obviously stupid, cheater of a man.  ;D

Does she have the moral right to "take a whole lotta cash"? Marriage is a business agreement, that's for sure. Specially when a woman is married to a rich fellow. He should have taken care of business before he got married, so that when they eventually divorce, the woman get the least amount of money possible. Even better is, don't marry if it doesn't benefit you (man) financially. A marriage just out of love is very risky.

A good woman is hard to find. I meet a lot of women who are definitely not marriage material.  :)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 15, 2008, 07:31:44 AM
Fair enough. When are you marching on Washington? ...Or is it Crawford?

 8)  I'm planning on Toronto , seems to be a need for some rational thinking up there moreso ,poor Playboy is all on his own  8)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Deedee on March 15, 2008, 08:46:35 AM
Random musings:

* Doesn't Silda look a lot like Annette Benning? Everyone said she looked horrid at the press conference, but since she had only found out about the outing a day earlier, I'm betting she did an awful lot of crying (for whatever reason), hence the haggard, puffy-eyed look.

* "The heart wants what the heart wants."  I think you can replace the word "heart" with another bodypart and that phrase still makes a lot of sense.

* Spitzer apparently had been enjoying little spa getaways for around ten years, the cost totaling in the vicinity of around $80,000. Since he was using the middle tier escorts (part of the $4,000 was a credit toward future trysts) if you estimate each tryst at roughly $2500 that would mean he was using hookers on average 3 times per year. Not so bad considering he could have been giving his illicit love to a mistress 3 times per week for ten years.

* It seems to be a rule of thumb that the louder a public figure screams about some moral issue, the more likely he is engaging in the same activity.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Deedee on March 15, 2008, 08:54:04 AM
Does she have the moral right to "take a whole lotta cash"? Marriage is a business agreement, that's for sure. Specially when a woman is married to a rich fellow. He should have taken care of business before he got married, so that when they eventually divorce, the woman get the least amount of money possible. Even better is, don't marry if it doesn't benefit you (man) financially. A marriage just out of love is very risky.

A good woman is hard to find. I meet a lot of women who are definitely not marriage material.  :)

Is it moral that he still has the right whether or not to offer her a get? Marriage may be a business agreement, but it's funny how when women vigorously pursue a career throughout their marriage they're called ball-busting bull dykes? If they stay at home they're called gold diggers. Who can win?  :)

Divorce laws were put into place to protect lower income families. Most divorces occur within the splitting up of modest assets, women usually end up with the children, and the courts try to ensure that the children don't suffer. Those laws are applied across the board, which is why the divorces of the wealthy tend to elicit such outrage. But the laws are also applied to women as well as men, and wealthy women pay off their husbands too.

What is a good woman? Someone who will stand by your side for twenty years, put her own career on hold to bear your children, then go quietly off into the night with nothing if you decide you no longer care for her?  :)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 15, 2008, 09:13:15 AM
Random musings:

* Doesn't Silda look a lot like Annette Benning?

I think she looks a lot like Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks' wife).  I guess Tom Hanks also looks a little like Spitzer.



Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 15, 2008, 09:26:19 AM
WoW STella that's wierd , I didn't even see it till now   :o good one !!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Deedee on March 15, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
You're right.  ;D Although I think I'd pick Tom Hanks hands down.

Other than the facial expression (disgust vs adoration), isn't this pic almost exactly the same as that one of Spitzer and his wife at the press conference?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 15, 2008, 09:38:28 AM
Yes!  I looked for the press conf. pic and can't find it.



Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 15, 2008, 09:41:11 AM
only thing Silda looks like is re-fried beans!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 15, 2008, 09:44:21 AM
only thing Silda looks like is re-fried beans!
That lady isn't Silda you guy!
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 15, 2008, 09:48:19 AM
That lady isn't Silda you guy!



  um





                                                                                                       ok?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Deedee on March 15, 2008, 09:50:57 AM
Lol, Mike. No, that ain't her.

I can't find the conference pic either now.  >:( But this is her leaving.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 15, 2008, 09:51:57 AM
Ha ha!  Mike changed the pic ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Deedee on March 15, 2008, 09:52:50 AM
You switched pics.  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: michael arvilla on March 15, 2008, 09:57:34 AM
huh?


u ladies ok today>?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on March 16, 2008, 05:24:03 AM
8)  I'm planning on Toronto , seems to be a need for some rational thinking up there moreso ,poor Playboy is all on his own  8)

 ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on March 16, 2008, 08:45:35 AM
huh?


u ladies ok today>?


 :D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Playboy on March 16, 2008, 07:18:10 PM
8)  I'm planning on Toronto , seems to be a need for some rational thinking up there moreso ,poor Playboy is all on his own  8)
That I am  ;) I like the fall. The fall is a great time of the year.  8)  :-*
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 09, 2008, 12:48:45 PM
Like I said, "I doubt that this marriage is going to end over this."

Many women dogged Hillary because she did not walk out on her husband over his affair.  The cynical politicos said she only stayed because she was going to run for office herself.  The truth is, many (most?) women do not leave their husbands when he strays.  As Wendy Vitter found out, it is easy to talk tough from the sidelines, but when her husband's name was found on the DC madam's phone list, she had to take her foot out of her mouth so she should stand by her husband.



HOW'S TRICKS?
By DANIEL SHAPIRO, April 9, 2008 --
The Spitzers haven't called it quits - at least yet.

The most famous former first couple of New York yesterday made a surprise appearance in public - together - as they paid a visit to NYU Medical Center on the East Side at around 6 p.m.

Ex-Gov. Eliot Spitzer and wife Silda may not have been feeling the love before they entered the facility. The disgraced politician picked up his wife in a chauffeured, silver, Lexus sedan in front of their Central Park West pad - and she hopped in the back alone, while he sat up front with the driver.

They then made their way down to the hospital for a onehour visit.

Their driver got out of the car just as the hour mark approached to tend to his bosses.

Could it have been couple's therapy?

If so, any progress made by the dysfunctional duo wasn't immediately apparent.

The once-fairytale couple exited together but kept their stares straight ahead and didn't touch hands. She walked a step behind him.

The only time Spitzer made a motion toward his wife was when he put his arm behind her to usher her out the door first.

Still, Silda smiled briefly when she stepped into the car as a male passer-by recognized her hubby and offered some kind words, presumably trying to shore him up after his humiliating dalliances with prostitutes were made public last month.

The two men shook hands, and Spitzer - apparently feeling closer to his wife than when they entered the facility - then took a seat next to her in the back.

They were then driven off. Reps for the couple did not immediately respond to inquiries about why the couple was at NYU.

Several hours earlier, Silda had been enjoying herself with a female friend in Central Park, watching as the other woman's children frolicked in a playground.

She appeared relaxed as she laughed with her friend, basking in the sunshine.

She had on the same outfit she later wore to the hospital: fashionable jeans, boots, a blazer and fetching, large scarf.

Her hubby was dressed in a trademark conservative dark suit.

One of the last times he was at NYU was on a happier occasion - in January, when hospital officials honored him for steering state funding for stem-cell research.

His brother, a surgeon, attended NYU and now practices in Rockland County.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: w8m8 on April 10, 2008, 02:24:52 PM
what a happy couple
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: parsnip1965 on May 01, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
Having survived plenty of other problems and come out doing very well, I think my wife and I would manage to get through one infidelity (on the part of either of us) without getting a divorce.  It would become a big issue, of course.  But I'm not about to give up on a quarter century long relationship because of it and I'm really quite sure that she wouldn't either.

- - -

Airing one's dirty laundry in public makes life coarser for everyone, makes it harder to raise your children, and is generally a shitty idea.  These are private matters, and taking pleasure in other people's pain should not be encouraged.

- - -

That said, Eliot Spitzer is an insufferable jerk who only needed to make one serious mistake to get convicted in the court of public opinion.  Bill Clinton did something far worse (his affair with Monica was conducted in the office (!) while talking on the phone to representatives of foreign governments and was with an unpaid or barely-paid subordinate who was under 21; then he lied about it under oath), but held on to the Presidency because he is not an insufferable jerk.  Whatever your politics - I'm a Republican - his good qualities are quite visible.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on May 01, 2008, 11:36:03 PM
He didn't lose his job over it, ...he chose to resign, in order to avoid impeachment and a lengthy scandal.
Clinton was impeached, ...but hung onto his office, ...who's to say the same wouldn't have occured with Spitzer?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: parsnip1965 on May 02, 2008, 11:30:01 AM
That's correct.  However, if Spitzer had stayed in office, he would have had little public support and would be very ineffective.  That is almost certainly why he chose to resign quickly and without a fight. 

The same cannot be said of Clinton, who served out the rest of his term more or less successfully, and who would have probably been re-elected again (look how close Gore came to winning) if a third term were permitted by the Constitution.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on May 02, 2008, 01:03:25 PM
When clinton ended his 2nd term as President, ...I hated the idea of term limits.
Now that Bush is ending his 2nd term as pResident, ...I absolutely love the idea of term limits.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: parsnip1965 on May 05, 2008, 10:25:07 PM
Bush wouldn't be elected to a third term even if it were permitted.  But, as a Republican who wouldn't have minded a third Eisenhower or Reagan term if either had been young and healthy enough to serve, I think still term limits are a good idea.  Anyone crazy enough to want to be president (and to do what is necessary to become president) needs to be watched closely.

How did we get off on this topic?  I thought this board was for girls and about muscles.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on May 06, 2008, 12:13:08 AM
Bush wouldn't be elected to a third term even if it were permitted.  But, as a Republican would wouldn't have minded a third Eisenhower or Reagan term if either had been young and healthy enough to serve, I think still term limits are a good idea.  Anyone crazy enough to want to be president (and to do what is necessary to become president) needs to be watched closely.

How did we get off on this topic?  I thought this board was for girls and about muscles.

He was never Elected for his first two terms. He was sElected by the Supreme Court in the first,
...and by Diebold in the second. He's not the President, ...he is the pResident.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: parsnip1965 on May 13, 2008, 05:17:33 PM
Don't get me started.  Bush won legitimately both times.  A win in Florida by 500 votes is still a win.  The second time, he won by 3% of the popular vote; in Ohio, which gave him the electoral college margin he needed, he won by 118,000 votes.

If you want a Democratic president, you'll probably get one in a few months.  Watch your wallet.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 19, 2008, 03:20:57 PM
'I'M SORRY FOR YOUR PAIN,' SILDA
By DAREH GREGORIAN

What haunts Ashley Dupre isn't the image of Eliot Spitzer in his black socks - it's the look on his wife's face as he announced he was resigning as governor.

"I try not to revisit that place too often, but when I think about his speech, I think of her face, her eyes, the hurt," the former high-priced hooker told People magazine in an interview that hits newsstands Friday.

If she could say anything to Silda Wall Spitzer, it would be, "I'm sorry for your pain."

As for what happened with the governor inside Washington's Mayflower Hotel on Feb. 13, that was "strictly business."

Speaking in detail for the first time since the $4,300 tryst that sank Spitzer's once-promising political career, Dupre said she hadn't realized who "Client No. 9" was when she hooked up with him...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11192008/news/regionalnews/im_sorry_for_your_pain__silda_139422.htm
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 23, 2008, 09:33:07 AM
Eliot Spitzer's former escort in a candid interview with Diane Sawyer.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=6280407&page=1
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on December 15, 2008, 06:54:50 AM
"Escort Ashley Youmans (aka Ashley Alexandre Dupre as she liked to call herself), the woman at the center of the Eliot Spitzer sex for hire scandal, obviously spent some of her earnings from the Emperor’s Club on rhinoplasty and the results are not good. Too much was carved off her nose. The doctor should have good for a more natural look. She looks obviously surgeried and that is not attractive"


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Migs on December 15, 2008, 09:50:47 AM
Ok, but we have not seen pix of the whore(s) David Vitter romped with.  The above is a pic of Spitzer's whore. And in fairness to Vitter's catty wife, she was not exactly at her best when her pic was taken.  Can any 50 something wife compete with a 20 something whore for sex appeal?  It's not a fair comparison.  :-[

Anyhow, give me a choice between a muscledaddy (Leo) and a muscle son (Ryan) and I'd  take the daddy.  ;D

I have seen some incredibly attractive and sexy 50 year olds when i was runnign aorund doing errands.  They are kinda few and far between.  However, with that being said.  I'll take the 20 something whore over his wife.  Jane Seymore, Monica Bellucci, marisa tomei, brooke shields,Jeri Ryan,Vanessa Williams,Kelly Hu,Brooke Burke,Salma Hayek, Catherine zeta jones, halle berry, Moira Kelly.  all are 40+ and still looking great.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on February 09, 2009, 10:41:25 AM
Yes
I think it will end.

Do you still think it will end? ???
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on February 09, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Do you still think it will end? ???
Yes.  But I may just be projecting my own feelings into the situation and could of course be wrong and they may stay together until death.

I know women who have stayed w/cheaters (one cheated more than once) and if they can work it out, that is great!  Maybe this type of thing can bring them closer together in a positive way somehow.

My friend that is married to a man that cheated on her twice (that we know of) still is tormented by the whole ordeal (last affair that we know of was about 3 years ago I think) and has said if it ever happens again, that's it, they are done.  I don't really know if she means it though.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on March 19, 2009, 07:13:44 AM
He's baaaack.....


Spitzer Joins the Furor on Money for A.I.G.

By N. R. KLEINFIELD
Everyone seems to have a vitriolic view of the bonus-dispensing American International Group, and now so does that caustic echo of yesteryear, Eliot Spitzer.

The dethroned New York governor, a full year into the role of mere citizen, has thrust himself into the strident debate over the spending habits of the government dependent A.I.G. He wrote about it in his column on Tuesday for the online magazine Slate, then augmented that with an unusual 18-minute appearance on Wednesday morning on Brian Lehrer’s radio program.

His central point was that the millions of dollars in bonuses ought to be overshadowed by what he sees as the more flagrant offense by A.I.G., shepherding billions in bailout money to its trading partners. Despite his Democratic credentials, Mr. Spitzer in his latest views adds to criticism he has already directed at the economic policy of the Obama administration.

It might seem sensible that the man once depicted as the sheriff of Wall Street when he was the state’s hard-boiled attorney general, whose investigation of A.I.G.’s deceptive practices led to a $1.6 billion settlement, would feel motivated to say his piece. Given the untidy manner in which Mr. Spitzer left office — a prostitution scandal — is his the voice people want to hear on ethical behavior?

Indeed, Mr. Lehrer, in his radio interview, mentioned that some listeners had complained angrily on the station’s Web site about having Mr. Spitzer as a guest, wondering why the station could not find someone who did not also happen to be a humiliated New York governor.

Reached by telephone, Mr. Spitzer declined to talk about his views or motivations.

In the Lehrer interview, Mr. Spitzer said that he was not mounting some sort of comeback, saying, “I’ve apologized and in my view have acted in the past year the way I should have, which is to say I will remain quiet.” Other than, that is, to offer “a few words” from time to time on public policy issues.

He did see fit to assert that when he was attorney general he was “pursuing issues that nobody else wanted to pursue.” He added: “Now it is the flavor of the month. Everyone’s jumping up and down serving subpoenas, beating their chests trying to be tougher than the next person.”

Reaction around the blogosphere to Mr. Spitzer’s emergence ran the customary gamut, from the blasphemous to the congratulatory to the incredulous.

As one person wrote on Politico.com: “Now Spitzer has ‘chimed in?! OMG! May Day! May Day! SOS!”

Besides working in the family real estate business, Mr. Spitzer began a biweekly column for Slate last December, entitled the Best Policy: Making Government Work Better.

Columns have expressed skepticism of government assistance policies. His first column, on Dec. 3, assailed the wisdom of federal bailouts to financial institutions. A column on the auto industry suggested telling the three American auto companies that there was bailout money for — guess what — only two of them, and the two that presented the best plan would get it.

In another column, he said that the Obama stimulus package ought to be funneled to truly transformative ideas rather than simply being used to fix bridges and buildings. He has also railed against privatizing Social Security and criticized the way students pay for college.


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on March 19, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
He did see fit to assert that when he was attorney general he was “pursuing issues that nobody else wanted to pursue.” He added: “Now it is the flavor of the month. Everyone’s jumping up and down serving subpoenas, beating their chests trying to be tougher than the next person.”


Oh brother.  He is the coolest ::)



Given the untidy manner in which Mr. Spitzer left office — a prostitution scandal — is his the voice people want to hear on ethical behavior?

no


Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 06, 2009, 08:41:45 AM
Disgraced former Gov. Eliot Spitzer said this morning that the high-price hooker habit that drove him out of office was not frequent and "an egregious violation of my behavior."

In an interview that aired on NBC's "Today" show, Spitzer admitted he thought about getting caught as he frequented call girls.

"It crossed my mind, but like many things in life, you ignore the obvious at a certain moment because you simply don't want to confront it," he said.

Spitzer, 49, who is married with three daughters, resigned as governor in March 2008 after the feds busted a prostitution ring and uncovered that he was a client...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04062009/news/regionalnews/spitzer__no_excuse_for_hooker_scandal_163185.htm
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 14, 2009, 01:02:44 PM
ELIOT SPITZER'S WANDERING EYE ON AG

BEHIND Eliot Spitzer's flaccid attempt at re-erecting his public persona is a plan to run for state attorney general in 2010, sources told Page Six.

After launching a column on Slate.com, and giving interviews to National Public Radio and the "Today" show, the sources say, the disgraced former governor told friends: "My record as governor was disappointing, but the voters will remember my excellent two terms as attorney general."

The sources say Spitzer, forever tarnished as Client No. 9 of a prostitution agency, expects Andrew Cuomo to run for governor next year, leaving open the AG job. Several Democrats are already being mentioned as potential candidates, including Nassau County Executive Tom Suozzi and state Assemblymen Richard Brodsky (Westchester) and Michael Gianaris (Queens).

But Spitzer, whose resignation just 13 months ago led to the gubernatorial ascension of hapless David Paterson, might be underestimating the public's memory. Even before Spitzer went on "Today" to resurrect his image as "the sheriff of Wall Street" and discuss his "gremlins," a New York Times column recently referred to him as "that caustic echo of yesteryear."

Noted one longtime observer, "The whole idea of returning to Albany is preposterous. You can't go home again. He's a pariah. It wasn't just the prostitutes -- there was also Troopergate," the use of state troopers to spy on Republican leader Joe Bruno.

Meanwhile, Cecil Suwal, who's scheduled to serve six months in jail for helping run the notorious Emperors Club sex ring, is shopping a memoir to publishers.

In "Inside the Emperors Club: Girls, Greed and the Governor," "She will discuss the frequency with which [Spitzer] used the agency, the amounts of money he spent, and some of the details of the various encounters he had with the girls," her rep said.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on May 04, 2009, 02:17:54 PM
New Yorkers prefer disgraced ex. Gov. Eliot Spitzer to David Paterson, Marist poll finds
BY MICHAEL SAUL, DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

A majority of New York voters would rather see Eliot Spitzer, the state's hooker-happy former governor, back in office than his beleaguered successor, Gov. Paterson, a new poll revealed Monday.

The latest poll from the Marist Institute for Public Opinion showed 51% of registered voters would rather have Spitzer in the governor's mansion right now. Spitzer resigned in March 2008 following revelations he patronized high-priced prostitutes.

Strikingly, even though Paterson is the state's first black governor, 53% of non-whites said they would prefer Spitzer as the state's chief executive.

The number of voters rating Paterson's job performance as "good" or "excellent" plummeted to 19%, marking a seven-point drop since Marist last asked the question in March.

The poll showed 37% believe Paterson is doing a fair job and 40% believe he is doing a poor job.

Paterson, who publicly declared he will ask voters in 2010 to elect him to his own four-year term as governor, gets points for his work ethic. The poll showed 66% of voters say he's working hard, but even that's a drop from 77% in March.

Exposing serious weakness in his leadership credentials, 66% of voters said Paterson does not have what it takes to lead the state and 48% said he doesn't get the critical issues facing New York.

A whopping 68% of voters said they disagreed with Paterson's handling of the economic crisis and 71% don't believe he's changing the way Albany operates for the better.

Nearly seven in 10 state voters believe the state is moving in the wrong direction, making Paterson's ambition of winning his own term very unlikely.

If former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, challenges Paterson next year, the poll shows Paterson would lose by more than 20 points. In the hypothetical match-up, Giuliani leads Paterson, 56% to 32%.

If state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo were the Democratic nominee for governor, the poll shows he would blow away the competition. Cuomo leads Giuliani, 55% to 38%.

The poll also showed Paterson's controversial appointee to the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, losing ground in her bid to retain her seat in 2010. Paterson appointed Gillibrand to fill the seat vacated by Secretary of State Clinton.

In a hypothetical matchup against former Gov. George Pataki, Gillibrand trails Pataki, 38% to 46%. In March, Gillibrand led Pataki, 45% to 41%.

Paterson's free-fall appears tied to his messy handling of the choice to replace Clinton in the U.S. Senate, particularly the treatment of onetime contender Caroline Kennedy. Many New Yorkers believe the negative info leaked about Kennedy was unfair, and a significant swath of the electorate directly blame Paterson.

Paterson has been criticized and mocked from coast to coast for his dithering on the Senate choice and has been the target of stinging "Saturday Night Live" impersonations.

In recent months, the governor has also come under fire for his handling of the state budget process, the turmoil in his cabinet and the gridlock surrounding a bailout package for the cash-strapped Metropolitan Transit Authority.

Marist surveyed 1,029 registered voters statewide on Tuesday and Wednesday of last week. The poll has an error margin of plus or minus three points.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 11, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Disgraced ex-Gov. Eliot Spitzer to lecture at ethics center; Madam says it's dumb move by Harvard U.
BY Beverly Ford In Cambridge, Mass. and Corky Siemaszko DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Hooker-loving ex-Gov. Eliot Spitzer is set to deliver a lecture Thursday at - of all places - a center for ethics at Harvard University.

And the madam who supplied Spitzer's high-priced escorts said she can't imagine a less qualified speaker.

"I am greatly intrigued as to what Mr. Spitzer could contribute to an ethical discussion when, as [governor], he broke numerous laws for which he has yet to be punished," Kristin Davis wrote in a protest letter to Prof. Lawrence Lessig at The Edmond J. Safra Foundation Center for Ethics.

"As attorney general, he went around arresting and making examples out of the same escort agencies he was frequenting."

Calling Spitzer a "man without ethics," Davis listed seven reasons why Harvard should reconsider.

Among other things, she asked if it was "ethical" to hire a hooker using a fake name or lie about shady campaign loans.

Lessig said Spitzer is not giving "a lecture on ethics." "He has instead been invited to speak as part of a series on the topic of 'institutional corruption'," the professor said.

Spitzer, who was forced to resign after his kinky romps with prostitutes were revealed, has been trying to remake himself.

The so-called "Sheriff of Wall Street" has been lecturing on law and public policy at City College and has opined about the economy on TV.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 12, 2009, 06:37:38 AM
Madam Rips Spitzer for Ethics Lecture
Hooker booker throws stones at Love Gov from her glass house
By MELISSA RUSSO

Disgraced ex-Governor Eliot Spitzer should be the last person lecturing about ethics, according to the madam who hooked him up with pricey call girls.

Kristin Davis is outraged that Spitzer is scheduled to deliver a lecture on ethics Thursday at Harvard University.

Davis fired off an angry letter to the university, saying:

 "I am greatly intrigued as to what Mr. Spitzer could contribute to an ethical discussion when as Chief Executive Law Enforcement Officer of NY he broke numerous laws for which he has yet to be punished.

“For nearly 5 years, I supplied Mr. Spitzer with high priced escorts while he was both Attorney General and Governor.  For this crime, I served four months on Rikers Island, had all of my assets confiscated and am now considered a sex offender on 5 years probation. Mr. Spitzer broke both state and federal laws and walked away free.

“I believe strongly in the legalization of prostitution and have no issue with his choice to use call girls. However, I deplore hypocrisy and abhor public officials who use their power to commit and cover up their own crimes and to lie and deceive the same public they have promised to protect.”

So far we have been unable to reach a spokesperson from Harvard for comment.




Does the disparity in the treatment of Spitzor and the madam, by the law and society, reflect some sexism?  ???
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 12, 2009, 09:30:57 AM
call me a sap..romantic..blah...

i'd never ever ever cheat on my girl....

the thought of it wouldn't even occur...

there r plenty of other ways of having fun...


if u cheat...u have serious selfesteem issues
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 12, 2009, 11:10:19 AM
call me a sap..romantic..blah...

i'd never ever ever cheat on my girl....

the thought of it wouldn't even occur...

there r plenty of other ways of having fun...


if u cheat...u have serious selfesteem issues

I disagree.  The idea of a man marrying one woman and remaining monogamous with her for the rest of his life is a relatively new idea in the span of human history.  I am not judging it as right or wrong; I am simply pointing out that people didn’t always think this was the ideal when it came to relationships.  Given how frequently men, in every walk of life, engage in adultery, there is an argument to be made that monogamy is the exception—not the rule.

In many animal species, males are encouraged to spread their seed widely to ensure propagation of the species.  It is not a coincidence that (if we wanted to) men are able to ejaculate several times a day, every day, for years on end.

The reality is not everyone (male or female) wants to be married or in a “traditional” marriage with the rules we all assume go with marriage, but our society hasn’t made much room for this population of people—and it is a huge population.  Similarly, not every woman, for example, wants to have kids, but women who do not are made to feel like they are some kind of failure in life or not real women.

Are there men who cheat out of poor self-esteem?  Probably, but I don’t think it is reasonable to assign that same cause to all men who are unfaithful to their wives.  If a woman stays with her cheating husband is that due to poor self-esteem as well? ???
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 12, 2009, 12:07:09 PM


In many animal species,

i'm not an animal...i consider myself to be more evolved...( i am MUCH smarter and capable of denying instincts....which makes me human)

you might consider yourself to be such as or not...

that is your choice...

PLEASE...from now on DO NOT compare me to animals...



i consider myself to be MUCH MUCH better...

even if you dont

thanx
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 12, 2009, 01:30:55 PM
i'm not an animal...i consider myself to be more evolved...( i am MUCH smarter and capable of denying instincts....which makes me human)

you might consider yourself to be such as or not...

that is your choice...

PLEASE...from now on DO NOT compare me to animals...



i consider myself to be MUCH MUCH better...

even if you dont

thanx

That sounds nice and self-serving, but biology and other branches of science have learned, and continue to learn, a great deal about human behavior, health, and social dynamics from observing animals.  Virtually every medical and health treatment humans enjoy today from pills, to dyes, to surgery was made possible by first using it on animals.  Why are mice used in research laboratories all across the world?  Because we have learned that the correspondence between mice and human anatomy and physiology is so close as to be very effective in transposing experiments and their results from mice to humans.

We are now at point where we have organs being transplanted from pigs into human beings.  Would you accept a pig organ transplant if doctors told you that was the best way to save your life or are you too good to consider accepting an organ from a mere animal?

If bragging that you are so much better than animals makes you feel better about yourself so be it, but virtually any scientist in any of the life sciences recognizes humans as animals.  I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but practically speaking I do consider you an animal and so does most of the rest of the world.

In any case, my larger point remains: one on one monogamy is a relatively recent invention.  Had you been born in a different country or in a different time your attitudes about it would be consistent with the environment you were raised in and thus very different from the high horse perch on which you apparently now sit.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 14, 2009, 03:30:29 AM
"Escort Ashley Youmans (aka Ashley Alexandre Dupre as she liked to call herself), the woman at the center of the Eliot Spitzer sex for hire scandal, obviously spent some of her earnings from the Emperor’s Club on rhinoplasty and the results are not good. Too much was carved off her nose. The doctor should have good for a more natural look. She looks obviously surgeried and that is not attractive"


Seriously Bay... she's an escort. Do you think she cares what a gay man thinks about her attractiveness?
Does your opinion on this really matter? Does her appearance affect you or your life in any way?
I mean... it's not like you were in the market, ...and if her nose wasn't so unrealistic, you'd consider her services? ???
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 14, 2009, 06:39:30 AM
Seriously Bay... she's an escort. Do you think she cares what a gay man thinks about her attractiveness?
Does your opinion on this really matter? Does her appearance affect you or your life in any way?
I mean... it's not like you were in the market, ...and if her nose wasn't so unrealistic, you'd consider her services? ???

If it makes you feel better, that quote was taken from www.awfulplasticsurgery. com/ (notice the quotation marks).  I have no opinion on Ashley’s looks one way or another.  Though I do think it is sad that so many women (and now men) feel the need to try to alter/improve their looks via cosmetic surgery.  As we have all seen time and again, low self esteem cannot be cured via cosmetic surgery.  ::)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2009, 03:04:13 PM
If it makes you feel better, that quote was taken from www.awfulplasticsurgery. com/ (notice the quotation marks).  I have no opinion on Ashley’s looks one way or another.  Though I do think it is sad that so many women (and now men) feel the need to try to alter/improve their looks via cosmetic surgery.  As we have all seen time and again, low self esteem cannot be cured via cosmetic surgery.  ::)

{blush}  :-[  mea culpa.

No it doesn't make me feel better. it makes me feel silly.
I should have known you were above such pettiness and was merely quoting someone else.

And yes, low self-esteem cannot be cured by plastic surgery, ...but physical imperfections can be improved upon.
I don't hold it against people who have had plastic surgery to enhance their appearances, ...but they have to have a healthy self-esteem to begin with. There is no doubt that plastic surgery can go a long way to enhancing one's physique and income (depending on their profession), but it's like anything else, you have to have a good self esteem to begin with. I see it no differently than enhancing your physique through bodybuilding. The only thing is, there are some parts (structural and otherwise) that simply cannot be altered by hard work in the gym, so why not go under the knife?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Migs on November 17, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
ELIOT SPITZER'S WANDERING EYE ON AG

BEHIND Eliot Spitzer's flaccid attempt at re-erecting

ROFL!

I need to see pics of the chick after surgery.  She looked good on the last page.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 17, 2009, 05:48:40 PM
{blush}  :-[  mea culpa.

No it doesn't make me feel better. it makes me feel silly.
I should have known you were above such pettiness and was merely quoting someone else.


And yes, low self-esteem cannot be cured by plastic surgery, ...but physical imperfections can be improved upon.
I don't hold it against people who have had plastic surgery to enhance their appearances, ...but they have to have a healthy self-esteem to begin with. There is no doubt that plastic surgery can go a long way to enhancing one's physique and income (depending on their profession), but it's like anything else, you have to have a good self esteem to begin with. I see it no differently than enhancing your physique through bodybuilding. The only thing is, there are some parts (structural and otherwise) that simply cannot be altered by hard work in the gym, so why not go under the knife?

Were you so eager to criticize me that you couldn’t take the time to read the text of that post and notice that it wasn’t authored by me?  Did that even sound like something I would write?  Obviously, you can recover from this self owning… but do yourself a favor and learn from it.  You could have saved yourself this unnecessary embarrassment if you had simply said nothing.  :-X

Maybe this is easy for me to say because I am basically happy with the way I look, but I think running off to have unnecessary cosmetic surgery perpetuates the very problem that people are trying to escape by having it—that there is a narrow definition of beauty we all must adhere to and if you don’t look that way then your features are unwelcome.  When people have cosmetic surgery they calcify and perpetuate that ethos.  In words and actions, I prefer to perpetuate the belief that beauty can come in many physical forms.

Don’t get me wrong, I think cosmetic surgery has its place.  It was originally invented/implemented to repair the features of people were injured/scarred in accidents—particularly soldiers during war.  If my features were marred in an accident, I would definitely want surgery to repair my face, but that is not the use of cosmetic surgery we are seeing today.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 19, 2009, 09:14:19 PM
Were you so eager to criticize me that you couldn’t take the time to read the text of that post and notice that it wasn’t authored by me?


{gulp}  uh-huh. {blush}  :-[  not to criticize YOU per se, ...just the knee-jerk assumption that ALL cosmetic surgery is based upon low self esteem, ...or that we can take someone who is in essence a complete stranger to us, and easily assume their reasons for doing something. We know OF her, ...but we don't know HER

Quote
Did that even sound like something I would write?

no {blush}  :-[

Quote
Obviously, you can recover from this self owning… but do yourself a favor and learn from it.  You could have saved yourself this unnecessary embarrassment if you had simply said nothing.  :-X
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/embarassed.gif)
I may recover from the self owning, ...but I don't know if I can recover from this royal reaming you've just delivered, but I guess you've had plenty of practice in that area. lol. Cripes. I don't know whether I need some of Princess L's raw beef bandages for the black eye you just gave me, ...or a donut cushion for my sore bottom?  ;D


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Maybe this is easy for me to say because I am basically happy with the way I look, but I think running off to have unnecessary cosmetic surgery perpetuates the very problem that people are trying to escape by having it—that there is a narrow definition of beauty we all must adhere to and if you don’t look that way then your features are unwelcome.  When people have cosmetic surgery they calcify and perpetuate that ethos.  In words and actions, I prefer to perpetuate the belief that beauty can come in many physical forms.

Don’t get me wrong, I think cosmetic surgery has its place.  It was originally invented/implemented to repair the features of people were injured/scarred in accidents—particularly soldiers during war.  If my features were marred in an accident, I would definitely want surgery to repair my face, but that is not the use of cosmetic surgery we are seeing today.


I agree with what you said in the 1st paragraph in some cases, ...but I wonder whether or not your statements in the 2nd paragraph aren't somehow contradicting yourself? After all, ...we don't know why she had the nose job to begin with. Perhaps the nose we saw in the before picture was the result of a previously broken nose? In which case, her surgery could have been more than merely cosmetic, but repairative, ...and would therefore meet with your approval?

{climbing into my asbestos suit and running away very quickly}  :P
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 19, 2009, 10:10:26 PM
The reflections on Ashley are hardly knee-jerk.  She was covered extensively in the press and even sat for interviews detailing her side of the story.  Young whores (I don’t use that term lightly; in this case it is most fitting) are not exactly known for having high self-esteem. 

Maybe she had cosmetic surgery to fix a broken nose.  Maybe this… maybe that… maybe a lot of things...  It makes little sense for us to bend over backwards concocting ameliorating circumstances that would put a positive light on Ashley’s dark choices.  Barring specific information to the contrary, concluding that she used proceeds from her work as a whore to indulge in gratuitous cosmetic surgery is an entirely reasonable supposition.

Several years ago, it was trendy to have a nose job and claim the surgery was necessary to fix a deviated septum.  No one buys that line anymore. ::)
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 19, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
The reflections on Ashley are hardly knee-jerk.  She was covered extensively in the press and even sat for interviews detailing her side of the story.  Young whores (I don’t use that term lightly; in this case it is most fitting) are not exactly known for having high self-esteem.

In agreement with you there about the epidemic of low self-esteem among many who do that line of work, but do we really KNOW someone from their interviews? We may get a handle on many things about a person, but do we really truly KNOW them? Apparently there were things about Eliot his wife didn't know.  

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Maybe she had cosmetic surgery to fix a broken nose.  Maybe this… maybe that… maybe a lot of things...  It makes little sense for us to bend over backwards concocting ameliorating circumstances that would put a positive light on Ashley’s dark choices.  Barring specific information to the contrary, concluding that she used proceeds from her work as a whore to indulge in gratuitous cosmetic surgery is an entirely reasonable supposition.

Several years ago, it was trendy to have a nose job and claim the surgery was necessary to fix a deviated septum.  No one buys that line anymore. ::)


Of course it's reasonable, and I'm not saying my speculative scenario was in any way accurate, ...just trying to illustrate a point that there are other possibilities. And ya, ...I was thinking of the deviated septum angle.  ;D
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 20, 2009, 06:55:58 AM
If we adhere to the argument you put forth here, we would all be precluded from ever commenting on anyone or anything in the public sphere because we don’t really KNOW them.  That is silly.  I (and other observers) never claimed to have deep insight into Ashley’s (or anyone else’s) soul.  Often, we know what we need to know about people by their actions.  The actions here are not exactly opaque.  In fact, they are painfully transparent: young woman becomes a call girl (carrying all the baggage that goes with it) and runs off to have a nose job (it could just as easily have been a boob job) with the proceeds.  

It's not that complicated.

As you note, there are always “other possibilities” but proffering fanciful alternatives in an effort to escape an obvious conclusion just makes you look silly.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 20, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
If we adhere to the argument you put forth here, we would all be precluded from ever commenting on anyone or anything in the public sphere because we don’t really KNOW them.  That is silly.  I (and other observers) never claimed to have deep insight into Ashley’s (or anyone else’s) soul.  Often, we know what we need to know about people by their actions.  The actions here are not exactly opaque.  In fact, they are painfully transparent: young woman becomes a call girl (carrying all the baggage that goes with it) and runs off to have a nose job (it could just as easily have been a boob job) with the proceeds.  

It's not that complicated.

As you note, there are always “other possibilities” but proffering fanciful alternatives in an effort to escape an obvious conclusion just makes you look silly.


You're right. I guess I'm just overly sensitive as a result of tabloid journalism, gossip mags, and the rampant speculation they perpetuate about people caught in the cross-hairs. I've seen too many people who through no fault of their own have had their lives devastated, and intruded upon in ways we wouldn't want to visit upon our worst enemies. I've seen the damage it does up close, and the pain it causes to real people, so I do have a tendency to try to avoid doing it myself to those who find themselves caught up in something or experiencing extra attention they did not themselves court.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 21, 2009, 08:19:51 PM
That sounds nice and self-serving, but biology and other branches of science have learned, and continue to learn, a great deal about human behavior, health, and social dynamics from observing animals.  Virtually every medical and health treatment humans enjoy today from pills, to dyes, to surgery was made possible by first using it on animals.  Why are mice used in research laboratories all across the world?  Because we have learned that the correspondence between mice and human anatomy and physiology is so close as to be very effective in transposing experiments and their results from mice to humans.

We are now at point where we have organs being transplanted from pigs into human beings.  Would you accept a pig organ transplant if doctors told you that was the best way to save your life or are you too good to consider accepting an organ from a mere animal?

If bragging that you are so much better than animals makes you feel better about yourself so be it, but virtually any scientist in any of the life sciences recognizes humans as animals.  I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but practically speaking I do consider you an animal and so does most of the rest of the world.

In any case, my larger point remains: one on one monogamy is a relatively recent invention.  Had you been born in a different country or in a different time your attitudes about it would be consistent with the environment you were raised in and thus very different from the high horse perch on which you apparently now sit.
explaination meltdown....its ok BGM...i dont expect ANYONE to be as honest as i am while being this good looking ;)  i dont expect the general population to live up to my moral standards....i just expected better cause you happen to be a college prof...meh..watcha gonna do..live learn..blah...

PS...i ws born in a muslim country where 4 marriages r A-ok by men ;)

btw..you can continue staying an animal...but miiight wanna look into
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
http://www.consciousentities.com/penrose.htm
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on November 24, 2009, 01:15:46 PM
There's a big difference between behavioral intent and actual behavior, and that is exactly what seperates humans from other animals. By far the biggest difference between humans and other animals is our cognitive abilitie: We can empathise, plan and understand consequences of our actions.  
Yes, a lot of physical processes are pretty much analogous to human processes, not always the same. This is of course mirrored in research, where animal research is just the stepping stone towards studies on humans. This is especially poignant in psychological research, animal studies were mostly the domain of the behaviourists, a largely outdated school of thought on human behaviour.  
 
I agree with the notion that life-long monogamy is an unrealistic notion. However, this does not move us in the direction of polygamy per sé. Relationships and feelings evolve, often at different speeds and directions. People get bored with each other, love wanes. We can opt to end the relationship and become available for a new relationship. Infidelity is the easy way out: I don't care what my primal instincts tells me, I can still control my actions. You can also choose to enter an open relationship, where both or more partners put their cards on the table at the start.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: 24KT on November 25, 2009, 04:23:52 AM
There's a big difference between behavioral intent and actual behavior, and that is exactly what seperates humans from other animals. By far the biggest difference between humans and other animals is our cognitive abilitie: We can empathise, plan and understand consequences of our actions.  
Yes, a lot of physical processes are pretty much analogous to human processes, not always the same. This is of course mirrored in research, where animal research is just the stepping stone towards studies on humans. This is especially poignant in psychological research, animal studies were mostly the domain of the behaviourists, a largely outdated school of thought on human behaviour.  
 
I agree with the notion that life-long monogamy is an unrealistic notion. However, this does not move us in the direction of polygamy per sé. Relationships and feelings evolve, often at different speeds and directions. People get bored with each other, love wanes. We can opt to end the relationship and become available for a new relationship. Infidelity is the easy way out: I don't care what my primal instincts tells me, I can still control my actions. You can also choose to enter an open relationship, where both or more partners put their cards on the table at the start.

You've obviously never been left alone with a tub of Hagen Daaz, or had chocolate paraded in front of your face  :P
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 25, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
You've obviously never been left alone with a tub of Hagen Daaz, or had chocolate paraded in front of your face  :P

Thank you for making my point, albeit with a less than germane example.  All of human history (not to mention our individual personal histories) is filled with countless examples of people unable to control their actions, acting on instinct, or behaving irrationally.  It is amusing to see people who really think they are immune to this. ::)
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on November 28, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
You've obviously never been left alone with a tub of Hagen Daaz, or had chocolate paraded in front of your face  :P
I have remarkable self restraint, even on alcohol. I do allow myself some frivolities now and then  ;D
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 28, 2009, 03:26:27 PM

I think it will end.

Stella, do you still think it will end?
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 28, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
There's a big difference between behavioral intent and actual behavior, and that is exactly what seperates humans from other animals. By far the biggest difference between humans and other animals is our cognitive abilitie: We can empathise, plan and understand consequences of our actions.  


dood i'm betting BGM HAD a wife and has kiddies...which makes it ABSOLUTELY inherent that he argue otherwise..

otherwise homosexuality goes from being a "choice" to " an orientiation" the latter of which CANT be helped since its genetic ;)
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on November 29, 2009, 08:37:51 AM
Stella, do you still think it will end?

Yes
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 29, 2009, 09:04:01 AM
Yes

Interesting.  What do you think is a reasonable or predictable time frame for a relationship to end over something like this?  Based on what you said previously, I am assuming you would have left already if you were in Silda’s shoes…?  All relationships end eventually, but given that she is still there, within what time horizon do you think it is reasonable to say that she left because of this episode?  If she leaves 5 years after the affair was this the cause?  How about 10 years later?  20?, etc.
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on November 29, 2009, 09:17:19 AM
Interesting.  What do you think is a reasonable or predictable time frame for a relationship to end over something like this?  Based on what you said previously, I am assuming you would have left already if you were in Silda’s shoes…?  All relationships end eventually, but given that she is still there, within what time horizon do you think it is reasonable to say that she left because of this episode?  If she leaves 5 years after the affair was this the cause?  How about 10 years later?  20?, etc.

I think she would leave before or by mid 2011....but like I said they could make it work and maybe I am projecting my own feelings upon her.

Yes, although you can never be sure what you would do in a certain situation until it happens, I do believe I would have left immediately.  If my husband was doing hookers (or whomever) for any amount of time let alone years, then he is not the person I thought he was.  The only thing that might keep me from leaving if I were Silda is if he had some type of spiritual change....like if he went from an unbeliever to a believer.  Even then I'm not sure I could stay because I would be really grossed out by him.

All relationships end eventually...because some people die.  Not all relationships end in break-ups.

by "this episode" do you mean him having sex w/hookers for years?

"If she leaves 5 years later what is the cause?"  The cause would be his character or lack thereof imo (plus she may be grossed out by him).


Hope my post isn't too jumbled...the quote function isn't functioning properly :P
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 07, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Eliot Spitzer’s Long, Winding and Slightly Bewildering Road to Redemption
By JAN HOFFMAN

HERE is Eliot Spitzer on MSNBC with the host Ed Schultz, railing against fallen Wall Street titans who regain power (“absolutely insane”). There he is on Fox’s “Good Day New York,” taking swipes at Andrew Cuomo (“he has to answer the hard questions”) and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (“I don’t like politicians who vacillate”). He’s lunching regularly at power restaurants like Michael’s (telling the waiter, “Silda wants me to have the salad”), holding hands with his wife at charity galas, attending a private salon at Tina Brown’s. Writing his twice-monthly Slate column, “The Best Policy.” Teaching undergraduates at the City College of New York, lecturing at Harvard about ethics, parsing the meaning of love on BigThink.com.

It’s been scarcely two years since Mr. Spitzer, his ashen-faced wife at his side, seemed to have written his political obituary, with his taut-jawed, almost lipless grimace of resignation as governor of New York, following disclosures that he was a client in a prostitution ring. Now he is emphatically back, seemingly everywhere.

For public figures whose falls have been as spectacular as that of Mr. Spitzer’s, there are many time-tested paths to image rehab. Seclusion. Prison. Good works. The seminary.

None of those options, it seems, are for Eliot Spitzer.

“Most people faced with that kind of disgrace would disappear off the face of the earth for a longer period of time,” said Howard Rubenstein, the public relations impresario. “But there is a lot of curiosity about him. And he is a publicity steamroller” — a reference to Mr. Spitzer’s expletive-garnished self-description as a “steamroller.” “In time people will remember his strengths and his intelligence,” Mr. Rubenstein said, “and what he’s showing now: determination.”

During an interview this week in the Fifth Avenue offices of Spitzer Engineering, his father’s real estate business, Mr. Spitzer, 50, relaxed and ruddy from a family ski vacation in Utah, made it clear he was following a different path. “The only thing I can try to do is contribute in a small way and not in a way that is designed to get forgiveness,” he said. “That would be too transactional: ‘I’m doing X, now you will forgive me.’ I don’t think it can or should work that way.”

He made no apology for his pervasiveness as a pundit, first joking: “Public speaking? I speak to myself on the street!” Then he grew earnest. “You can view it as pure selfishness and hedonism,” he said. “But I care about this stuff. Obviously it’s more rewarding to participate when you can do something about it — which is why I loved and sorely miss the jobs I had.” He glanced over at Lisa Linden, a public relations consultant for Spitzer Engineering, whom he asked to be present.

After his resignation, Mr. Spitzer had a self-imposed exile that lasted about 8 1/2 months. On Nov. 16, 2008, 10 days after federal prosecutors declined to press charges, Mr. Spitzer had an opinion article on financial regulation published in The Washington Post. Two weeks later, at the behest of Cliff Sloan, Slate’s former publisher and a friend from Harvard Law School, he started his online column.

“I keep pressing the button on the Slate column,” Mr. Spitzer said, laughing, “so it looks like I’m getting a lot of hits.”

As the first anniversary of his resignation on March 12, 2008, approached, Mr. Spitzer expanded his audience: Fareed Zakaria on CNN, “Today,” the cover of Newsweek.

“Eliot is like the smartest kid in the room with his hand up, but the teacher’s not calling on him,” said his former political advertising aide, Jimmy Siegel. “He believes he has the answers to things, economically, and he would love to be in a position to do something about it.”

By last fall, he was teaching at City College. He said his students told him they didn’t watch mainstream news media, so he agreed to appear on “Real Time With Bill Maher” on HBO.

“I always thought he’d be a good guest as the Sheriff of Wall Street because of the financial meltdown,” said Mr. Maher, referring to Mr. Spitzer’s nickname. “I’d seen him on shows with the de rigueur ‘Let’s beat up on this guy before we get to what matters.’ I wanted to be the first one to have him on a program and not bring up the scandal.”

Indeed Mr. Maher did not; by the time Mr. Spitzer was a guest again in February, his onscreen identifier read, “Eliot Spitzer, columnist, Slate.com.”

Mr. Spitzer said he doesn’t court appearances. “This was a process over time of my accepting invitations from people that seemed would be fun.”

While some muscular forays — like his exchanges with Mr. Zakaria about the absence of Wall Street transparency — may remind viewers of Mr. Spitzer’s finer moments in government, others recall his tendency to be tone deaf...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/fashion/08Spitzer.html?hp
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 21, 2010, 03:35:53 PM
"Rough Justice: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer" by Peter Elkind
The book offers more details of the prostitution scandal that felled Eliot Spitzer’s career as the ‘Sheriff of Wall Street,’ and the personality problems that may have led him there.
By Walter Hamilton, Los Angeles Times

Not long after he burst into the national consciousness with his blistering assault on Wall Street, Eliot Spitzer began facing pressures of his own.

Even supporters were wearying of his constant criticism of federal regulators. Their failure to crack down on financial-industry malfeasance had opened the window for him to emerge as the "Sheriff of Wall Street." But Spitzer's inability to get along with his peers at the Securities and Exchange Commission was starting to cloud his hoped-for ascension to the New York governor's office, where collegiality was viewed as essential. Thus, Spitzer emphatically pledged at the start of a packed news conference to lay off the SEC.

Yet, moments later, he was at it again with a fresh diatribe — this time with an ashen-faced SEC official standing just behind him.

As the Los Angeles Times' Wall Street reporter at the time, I chronicled Spitzer's blitzkrieg against disreputable stock analysts, mutual funds and others. No one at that news conference, of course, could foresee that Spitzer's career would eventually rupture in a prostitution scandal. But to those of us who watched him that day, the message was clear: Even when Eliot Spitzer knew better he just couldn't help himself.

That theme radiates throughout Peter Elkind's "Rough Justice," an absorbing account of Spitzer's improbable journey from New York rich kid to celebrated Wall Street scourge — to infamous Client No. 9 of the Emperor's Club.

An editor at large at Fortune magazine and co-author of a book about the downfall of Enron Corp., Elkind captures the conflicting sides of Spitzer. He was an idealist who was genuinely outraged by the Wall Street pandemic. Yet Spitzer was also plagued by a volcanic temper and an over-caffeinated ego that was unable to keep his worst impulses in check.

In the end, Spitzer comes off as pitiable, painfully aware of the career he threw away.

"That's my life," Spitzer tells Elkind. "Is it pure agony? Yes, absolutely."

Thanks partly to Spitzer's willingness to be interviewed, "Rough Justice" adds fresh details to the prostitution furor that dethroned him. Elkind reveals that Spitzer hired prostitutes more extensively than previously revealed, dropping more than $100,000 on more than 20 assignations over at least two years. Elkind also tells us that — true to character — Spitzer offended some of his hires by rushing through the ritual pleasantries at the beginning of their sessions.

"He was not one of those people who I would have said went out of their way to make me feel lovely and nice, like many did," one woman laments. "It was very impersonal."

The book tantalizingly suggests that the disclosure of Spitzer's activities may have resulted from a conspiracy by his enemies to out him. Federal prosecutors normally don't pursue prostitution cases, Elkind explains.

A wire transfer that Spitzer made to pay for one of his dalliances triggered a suspicious-activity report to federal banking authorities who were on the lookout for terrorist activities. But there are so many such reports, Elkind writes, that it's unlikely prosecutors would have noticed it without being tipped off.

"Why did Spitzer's sexual habits become the target of federal investigative methods befitting an Al Qaeda terrorist?" he asks.

Elkind acknowledges, however, that he wasn't able to gather enough evidence to say for sure, leaving "nothing more than intriguing speculation." Among those who think Spitzer was laid low by his enemies is Spitzer's wife, Silda, who, we're told, views him as a "felled crusader."

Elkind portrays Silda Spitzer as struggling to make sense of her husband's betrayal. Early on, a Spitzer aide quotes her as saying she believed she was at fault for not satisfying her husband sexually. She later concludes that his straying was all about him, not her, Elkind writes. Still, in some ways Silda apparently sees her husband as a victim himself — of his own grueling expectations and his emotionally Spartan upbringing.

His demanding father presided over dinner-table debates with his children. Despite being co-captain of his prep school tennis team, his parents attended only one match.

"In Silda's eyes, he had remained true to his public promise…" Elkind writes. "Yes, he had succumbed to temptation. But that was the result of the impossible expectations he had created, the brutal pressures he had faced in public life — and his inbred inability to find a healthier way to deal with them."

The ultimate irony, of course, is that the type of abuses Spitzer spent his career railing against exploded during the global financial crisis. Instead of playing a lead role in the cleanup, Spitzer was confined to the sidelines, fulminating in TV interviews and a regular Internet column but mostly haunted by four words: what might have been.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 24, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on April 06, 2011, 11:42:18 AM
Butterbean do you still think it will end?
Title: Re: Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on April 06, 2011, 12:41:58 PM
Butterbean do you still think it will end?



I think she would leave before or by mid 2011....but like I said they could make it work and maybe I am projecting my own feelings upon her.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on November 02, 2011, 07:22:59 AM
Bay, I changed my mind....maybe she will never leave:

Still, this line in a Washington Post story about "Rough Justice," Peter Elkind's new book on New York's former governor, does make me want to fix Mrs. Spitzer up on a date: "The wife is supposed to take care of the sex. This is my failing,'' Silda Wall is quoted as saying, in reference to her husband's hooker habit. "I wasn't adequate."(www.politicsdaily.com)

 :-\

Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2011, 07:29:56 AM
Your deadline (mid 2011) has passed.  Silda is not going anywhere.  If she were going to leave she certainly would have done it already. :-\
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on November 02, 2011, 07:32:05 AM
Your deadline (mid 2011) has passed.  Silda is not going anywhere.  If she were going to leave she certainly would have done it already. :-\

Did you read her quote?  Reminds me of a friend of mine that was in an abusive relationship.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2011, 07:50:35 AM
I take your point, but I do think spouses are under an obligation to recognize and meet one another's sexual needs.  It is not reasonable to expect your spouse to go without sex.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Butterbean on November 02, 2011, 08:21:34 AM
I take your point, but I do think spouses are under an obligation to recognize and meet one another's sexual needs.  It is not reasonable to expect your spouse to go without sex.

Oh, I agree 100%....  But who knows what was going on behind the scenes other than them.  Maybe she felt inadequate because he wanted to do things she wasn't comfortable with.  Maybe she only gave it up once a day.  Maybe she was frigid.  But he's still gross imo.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2011, 11:00:26 AM
In the film By Love Possessed (1961) Lana Turner’s character is married to a cripple (Jason Robards) who cannot perform in bed.  He knows that he will never be able to rise to the occasion, and he refuses to give her a divorce. He suspects that she has (or will soon have) one or more affairs.  She is sexy and men are after her!  Eventually, he tells her to go out and “get what you need, but don’t make me know about it.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054710/

This is a weak film but you can stream it on Netflix.
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2011, 11:07:21 AM
I love old movies about women having affairs... and murders.  Another deliciously bad one is Dear Murderer (1947).  

Jealous husband Lee Warren believes he has the perfect murder in the bag when he plots to kill the man sleeping with his philandering wife by making it look like a suicide. But the plan shifts when his wife reveals she's got more than one lover!
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on November 02, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
A better one is Portrait in Black (1960).

In love with her invalid husband's physician (Anthony Quinn), beautiful Sheila Cabot (Lana Turner) persuades him to murder her rich spouse in this glossy thriller. Believing they've committed the perfect crime, the lovers are shocked when an anonymous letter turns up congratulating them on the killing -- and soon Sheila and David have more blood on their hands. Will a guilty conscience drive one of them to turn on the other?
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on July 10, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
Spitzer Quickly Hits Establishment Headwind
By MICHAEL BARBARO and DAVID W. CHEN

From corporate boardrooms to the headquarters of the city’s Democratic political campaigns, phone lines lighted up and strategy sessions were organized on Monday with a single mission in mind: stopping Eliot Spitzer.

The surprise decision by former Governor Spitzer to run for citywide office startled and galvanized the city’s political establishment, which worried aloud about handing the TV-savvy and self-financed candidate a new megaphone.

In candid conversations, some of the leaders expressed acute regret over their failure to swiftly undercut the mayoral campaign of former Representative Anthony D. Weiner, another scandal-scarred candidate for citywide office, and said they would not make the same mistake twice.

Behind the scenes, they began to lay out a blueprint for undermining Mr. Spitzer’s bid for comptroller, the city’s third-highest elected office, and for propping up his lesser-known Democratic rival, Scott M. Stringer, the Manhattan borough president.

They quickly zeroed in on what they claimed were Mr. Spitzer’s vulnerabilities: an out-of-control ego; his lawbreaking patronization of prostitutes, which led to his resignation as governor in 2008; and his combative, go-it-alone style.

Strikingly, Democratic leaders drew parallels between Mr. Spitzer and Mr. Weiner, trying to lump them together as two wayward men obsessed with reclaiming power and unworthy of redemption, in a direct appeal to women voters who may decide the races.

“For me the question with both Anthony Weiner and Eliot Spitzer is what have they been doing to earn this second chance?” asked Christine C. Quinn, the City Council speaker and a Democratic candidate for mayor. She said she had seen little that would “redeem themselves from their selfish behavior.”

Business leaders leapt into the ruckus, finding common cause with organized labor as they described Mr. Spitzer as ill-suited to the job of managing the city’s multibillion-dollar pension system and policing city spending.

Such a post, said Kathryn S. Wylde, the head of the Partnership for New York City, made up mainly of real estate, Wall Street and insurance firms, requires intense collaboration and diplomacy with the mayor’s office, the business community and municipal labor unions.

“The tone of the Spitzer announcement and history suggest that’s not the way he would approach the job,” she said in an interview.

In the corridors of finance, executives made little secret of their dismay at the thought of Mr. Spitzer, an often zealous adversary of Wall Street, assuming a job with some authority over the industry. Robert T. Zito, the founder of a brand consulting firm and a former executive at the New York Stock Exchange, which was a relentless target of Mr. Spitzer’s ire over executive pay, put it bluntly: “I would love to see his opponent win.”

Those involved in and briefed about the strategy discussions raised the possibility of organizing a super PAC to counter Mr. Spitzer’s self-financed campaign.

Eyes turned to Mr. Spitzer’s most fervent critics on Wall Street, like the billionaire Kenneth G. Langone, a co-founder of Home Depot and a former director of the New York Stock Exchange, who had relished the governor’s downfall.

According to a person told of his plans, Mr. Langone was mulling independent campaign expenditures against Mr. Spitzer. Mr. Langone was traveling in Europe and an aide said he was unavailable to talk.

Mr. Spitzer, in an interview, appeared to have anticipated the attacks, especially from Wall Street, and sought to turn them to his advantage, by portraying himself as a warrior for regular people.

“When I was attorney general, I made some powerful enemies,” he said. “But I also made a lot of friends,” which he described as the “real people” he had fought for.

The fierce debate about how to deny Mr. Spitzer a place in city government unfolded as he hit the campaign trail for the first time in five years, displaying the kind of studied discipline that characterized his previous runs for office.

Standing on the searing sidewalks of Union Square for over an hour, with sweat dripping down his face onto a pinstriped suit, Mr. Spitzer maintained a stoic smile as he endured loud hecklers and received unsolicited compliments.

An older woman in a straw hat leaned in to the giant scrum forming around Mr. Spitzer and declared: “His wife and his daughters understand. Why shouldn’t we?” A few feet away, a man in a blue polo shirt castigated Mr. Spitzer, “You slept with hookers, and you lied and cheated on your family.”

It appeared that the muscle for the anti-Spitzer operation might emerge from the city’s labor unions, which view Mr. Stringer as a reliable ally, and are wary of the less predictable Mr. Spitzer, who has not hesitated to confront them in the past.

Michael Mulgrew, president of the United Federation of Teachers, said all options — including tapping its own campaign funds for television ads — were under consideration. “We’re going to make sure that we do everything in our power to make sure Scott is the next comptroller,” he said. “Weiner has kind of been given a free pass.”

Even as they grudgingly acknowledged Mr. Spitzer’s technical credentials for the job of comptroller, the union leaders cast doubt on his motivation for seeking a return to public life.

“He is running to clear his name, to build a public persona again,” said Héctor J. Figueroa, president of 32BJ, the city union of janitors and doormen, which has endorsed Mr. Stringer. He called the comptroller’s office “the wrong position” for Mr. Spitzer.

Mr. Stringer, who had expected a smooth path to the Democratic nomination for comptroller, moved quickly on Monday to rally his most high-profile campaign supporters and surrogates, many of them women. Appearing alongside his wife on the Upper West Side, he dismissed reporters’ questions about whether Mr. Spitzer should be forgiven.

“This isn’t mea culpa time,” he said. “I’m not getting into all that.”

One of Mr. Stringer’s supporters, Gloria Steinem, the feminist writer, trumpeted Mr. Stringer’s record on issues like domestic violence and questioned Mr. Spitzer’s sudden yearning to be comptroller. “This is the target of opportunity,” she said. “I would be surprised to learn that he had ever in his life expressed a wish to be comptroller.”

There were signs that Mr. Spitzer’s opponents had already succeeded in complicating his plans.

According to people close to him, Neal Kwatra, a top city political strategist who had voluntarily helped orchestrate the rollout of Mr. Spitzer’s campaign, decided to cut his ties with the campaign amid signs that some of his clients, including the city’s Hotel Trades Council, which is backing Mr. Stringer, were cool to the Spitzer candidacy. Mr. Kwatra declined to comment.

Mr. Spitzer insisted throughout the day that he was happy to have returned to the hurly-burly, even as he found himself unable to move at times in the crush of cameras and reporters. “It’s exciting,” he said. “It’s fun.”

Whatever the ultimate outcome of his campaign, it clearly had an immediate effect on Mr. Weiner. At a news conference he called to talk about bike policy, Mr. Weiner faced seemingly nonstop questions about the former governor.

Asked if Mr. Spitzer had stolen some of the political limelight, Mr. Weiner replied, “Clearly, it’s shifted away.”
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: tonymctones on July 10, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
He is running against the pimp of his former prostitute....

you cant write a better script than this, only in NY!!!!
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: Victor VonDoom on July 12, 2013, 11:05:36 AM
Butterbean do you still think it will end?

Several years later...?  It is clear that Silda is not leaving her husband.  Bah!
Title: Re: Eliot & Silda Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on December 24, 2013, 09:22:42 PM
Spitzer and wife announce marriage ends

NEW YORK (AP) — Former New York governor Eliot Spitzer and his wife announced late Tuesday that their two-decade-plus marriage is over.

The couple issued a statement announcing the split, saying "We regret that our marital relationship has come to an end and we have agreed not to make any other public statement on this subject."

Spitzer and his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, were married in 1987 and she supported his rise from state's attorney general to governor. They have three grown children.

She stood by his side in 2008 when Spitzer resigned after admitting he paid for sex with prostitutes, but largely stepped out of the public eye after that. A former corporate lawyer, she went to work in the business world.

Spitzer attempted a political comeback this year by running for city comptroller but lost in the Democratic primary.

Wall Spitzer did not campaign publically for him. They have been living apart for months.
Title: Re: Eliot Spitzer
Post by: BayGBM on February 15, 2016, 09:51:02 AM
Eliot Spitzer accused of choking woman during fight at The Plaza
By Jamie Schram, Larry Celona and Bruce Golding

Former Gov. Eliot Spitzer, the infamous “Client 9” who resigned amid a prostitution scandal, was accused of choking a woman at The Plaza hotel, law enforcement sources told The Post on Sunday.

Police rushed to the hotel after Svetlana Travis, 25, used her cellphone to call 911 at about 8 p.m. Saturday to say she was having a breakdown and had cut her wrist, the sources said.

​The cops went up to the $1,000-a-night suite and Spitzer answered the door.

“Is there a problem?” they asked the disgraced ex-Love Guv.

“Everything’s fine. There’s no problem,” he responded, according to the sources.

The officers left, but called 911, telling an operator to phone Travis back. Travis told a dispatcher that she no longer needed help.

The cops went back anyway to check, although by then, she had left the room, the sources said.

After Spitzer opened the door a second time, the cops spied broken glass, bloodstains and clothing on the floor and started a search inside.

Travis reappeared, and the cops called EMS, which took her to Mount Sinai West Hospital, where she told staffers Spitzer had attacked her, sources said.

His spokeswoman, Lisa Linden, later said, “There is no truth to the allegation.”

In an interview with a second set of cops after midnight, according to a source, Travis “said that she told Spitzer she was going back to Russia, and he got upset and started throwing her around, choked her, threw her to the ground and threatened her.

“She then broke a glass, cut herself and called 911.”

Sources told CNN that Travis claimed to be Spitzer’s girlfriend.

In follow-up interviews with detectives, she gave conflicting accounts of what happened, then stopped cooperating, sources said.

The NYPD got a warrant to search her cellphone and the room for evidence, and cops were seen standing guard outside the room on Sunday evening.

But sources said the woman might already have left for Russia.

“She’s totally uncooperative and said that she was leaving and did not want to press any charges,” a source said.

Despite this, the NYPD has opened an investigation, which is being led by Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.

Spitzer has yet to be charged with a crime, police said.

The corner room, No. 1541, is at the end of a long hall and is one of the hotel’s Edwardian Suites, which are nearly twice the size of a normal room and feature Louis XV-style furnishings, gold bathroom fixtures and butler service.

Spitzer and Travis were at one of the hotel bars having drinks before he used a credit card to take the suite, sources said.

During the 2008 romps that led to him being dubbed “Client 9” in court papers, Spitzer traveled to Washington, DC, for a night with call girl Ashley Dupre at The Mayflower hotel.

Details of his hooker habit also included the claim that he would wear midcalf, black dress socks during sex. It was not clear if he was wearing them Saturday.

“He was fully dressed,” a police source said. “We don’t know if he was wearing black socks.”

In her 2013 memoir, ex-prostitute Rebecca Woodward alleged that Spitzer once pinned her to a bed and choked her during a $1,500 role-playing tryst in a Murray Hill apartment.

Although Spitzer’s then-wife, Silda Wall, stoically stood by him when he resigned, she never helped the randy pol campaign during his failed comeback bid for city comptroller in 2013.

The couple announced late on Christmas Eve that year that they had split. The move came one day after The Post published exclusive photos of Spitzer going to and leaving Lis Smith’s apartment building.

Smith was a spokeswoman for then-Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio, who jettisoned her after news of the relationship broke. ​

In December, The Post exclusively revealed that Spitzer and Smith had broken up.