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I read that the Democrat health plan inteds to add a surcharge of 3-4% on all people who make a AGI of $200k. That is gross, not net, before deductions. That is essentially a tax hike of between 6k to 8k. Thus if you make 201k, now you will net $193k as a result of this tax hike.
Lets say you make 201k and support the Govt health plan.
MY QUESTION IS THIS:
1. Is it ethical for you to tell your employer to reduce you salary to $199k to avoid the tax increase even though you support the plan?
YES OR NO????
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I read that the Democrat health plan inteds to add a surcharge of 3-4% on all people who make a AGI of $200k. That is gross, not net, before deductions. That is essentially a tax hike of between 6k to 8k. Thus if you make 201k, now you will net $193k as a result of this tax hike.
Lets say you make 201k and support the Govt health plan.
MY QUESTION IS THIS:
1. Is it ethical for you to tell your employer to reduce you salary to $199k to avoid the tax increase even though you support the plan?
YES OR NO????
I actually had my employer drop my salary by $190 a year a couple years ago to avoid going into a higher tax bracket. I got a raise and was making substantially LESS than I did before.
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I actually had my employer drop my salary by $190 a year a couple years ago to avoid going into a higher tax bracket. I got a raise and was making substantially LESS than I did before.
I think I posed a very serious question since many people will be facing this question if this goes through.
Also, couples who file jointly will only have to reach a threshhold of 250k a year, so Obama is lying there again unless a couple can file individually to avoid this tax.
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I think I posed a very serious question since many people will be facing this question if this goes through.
Also, couples who file jointly will only have to reach a threshhold of 250k a year, so Obama is lying there again unless a couple can file individually to avoid this tax.
It doesn't take much to get to 250K. We've already went over this.
However the typical dem loves the idea because the average dirtbag democrat voter thinks that's big $$$.
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Not very much if u live in NYC....more lies from Barry the hack.
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It doesn't take much to get to 250K. We've already went over this.
However the typical dem loves the idea because the average dirtbag democrat voter thinks that's big $$$.
Big bucks to me, but then again I am poor as fuck.
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Big bucks to me, but then again I am poor as fuck.
In NYC, a couple making 250k is middle class. That is a teacher (100k), and a lawyer (150k), maybe.
Additionally, once the Bush tax cuts expire next year, those people are going to get an additional 3% increase in their taxes, so total, its like 8%.
Plus, state taxes are going through the roof.
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My brother in law wanted to buy closer to Manhattan because my sister in law is an actress. They had about a 1.5 mill budget and couldn't find anything big enough for a family of 4.
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My brother in law wanted to buy closer to Manhattan because my sister in law is an actress. They had about a 1.5 mill budget and couldn't find anything big enough for a family of 4.
Prices are coming down, but tell them to look in the outer bouroughs. Riverdale, Country Club, Indian Village, Morris Park Pelham Bay have some decent areas in the Bronx.
Brooklyn also has some nice areas near the ocean.
Westchester is still too expensive and is coming down. Nassau and Westchester have INSANE property taxes. you cant believe how high. a small house is like 10 -30k in property taxes a year.
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My brother in law wanted to buy closer to Manhattan because my sister in law is an actress. They had about a 1.5 mill budget and couldn't find anything big enough for a family of 4.
You sure know some wealthy people.
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My brother in law wanted to buy closer to Manhattan because my sister in law is an actress. They had about a 1.5 mill budget and couldn't find anything big enough for a family of 4.
Is that because you earn minimum wage as an army grunt?
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Is that because you earn minimum wage as an army grunt?
U realize I'm an officer with almost 17 years in right.....
My sister in law was in Rescue me..three episodes ago, she's done some off broadway and some indy film.
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U realize I'm an officer with almost 17 years in right.....
My sister in law was in Rescue me..three episodes ago, she's done some off broadway and some indy film.
Sounds like you married the wrong one.
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U realize I'm an officer with almost 17 years in right.....
My sister in law was in Rescue me..three episodes ago, she's done some off broadway and some indy film.
HERE is the ENTIRE cast 3 episodes ago.
Is her name on the list? If not, than someone is telling a story. :)
Episode Cast (in credits order)
Denis Leary ... Tommy Gavin
Mike Lombardi ... Mike Silletti (as Michael Lombardi)
Adam Ferrara ... Chief 'Needles' Nelson
Andrea Roth ... Janet Gavin
Larenz Tate ... Bart
Steven Pasquale ... Sean Garrity
John Scurti ... Kenny Shea
Daniel Sunjata ... Franco Rivera
Callie Thorne ... Sheila Keefe
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Jerry Adler ... Chief Feinberg
Kevin Chapman ... Terrance
Tawny Cypress ... Carla
Anthony Perullo ... Derek
Alexandra Gizela ... Hot Nurse (uncredited)
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She was the blonde that he lays into at the AA meeting...come on TA tell us how ur related to more famous people or much cooler and drive a Lotus. U realize that every extra isn't in the cast right?
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I read that the Democrat health plan inteds to add a surcharge of 3-4% on all people who make a AGI of $200k. That is gross, not net, before deductions. That is essentially a tax hike of between 6k to 8k. Thus if you make 201k, now you will net $193k as a result of this tax hike.
Lets say you make 201k and support the Govt health plan.
MY QUESTION IS THIS:
1. Is it ethical for you to tell your employer to reduce you salary to $199k to avoid the tax increase even though you support the plan?
YES OR NO????
I don't have a problem with that at all. As far as requesting your employer reduce your salary to avoid the tax, that's up to them. I guess that employer won't have to worry about his tax hike :D Let's say they're making 205 thousand. It sounds pretty silly to drop 6 thousand off their salary to avoid paying a few thousand after the salary loss. Really silly if he has the potential to go up in salary down the road. I don't make that kind of money, may never, but if I do, I promise I will not have a problem paying a little extra for something like this that is a universal need. I don't think someone should suffer because the only job they could get wouldn't provide heath insurance. This isn't the same thing as a free handout for lazy people. This issue is way more serious and critical.
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Hugo..if u made 200k..u would eventually live the 200k life style and at some point I think u'd be pissed that u'd loose income just to net 5000 more. If u made that much, u'd have earned it and its not anybody else's cash but urs. Plus 200k goes alot farther where u live then in NYC or Cali. I guess its all relative but its really gonna hurt the NYC guy.
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She was the blonde that he lays into at the AA meeting...come on TA tell us how ur related to more famous people or much cooler and drive a Lotus. U realize that every extra isn't in the cast right?
All of the uncredited are listed.
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Hugo..if u made 200k..u would eventually live the 200k life style and at some point I think u'd be pissed that u'd loose income just to net 5000 more. If u made that much, u'd have earned it and its not anybody else's cash but urs. Plus 200k goes alot farther where u live then in NYC or Cali. I guess its all relative but its really gonna hurt the NYC guy.
trust me, I've had hard enough times and learned a few lessons. I would not obligate anywhere close to that. Been there done that not ever doing that again.
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Ok ur right i made it up because it benefited me soooo much.
Her last name isn't headhunter....ur an idiot.
Well u could roll around naked in it...its ur cash. You'd be the exception. Many people want reform but most do not want to pay for it.
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trust me, I've had hard enough times and learned a few lessons. I would not obligate anywhere close to that. Been there done that not ever doing that again.
200K A YEAR FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR IS NOT RICH BY ANY STANDARD IN NYC.
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I see no problem having a few obligations to the whole. Only the most selfish bastards have a problem with this. especially where the basic need is in matters of life. LOL, I wonder how many people out there who are pro-life, give a shit about the kid being born, but don't give a fuck that he or she might die because of lack of insurance. There's so much room to go out there and be the happy capitalist, leave some of the most basic absolute needs to live a minimal existence alone. Lets share in those costs. I don't make that kind of money, but even making less than 200,000, I would be ok with paying into this.
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200K A YEAR FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR IS NOT RICH BY ANY STANDARD IN NYC.
Did I say 200,000 was rich? I missed where I said that? What does this have to do with anything I said?
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I see no problem having a few obligations to the whole. Only the most selfish bastards have a problem with this. especially where the basic need is in matters of life. LOL, I wonder how many people out there who are pro-life, give a shit about the kid being born, but don't give a fuck that he or she might die because of lack of insurance. There's so much room to go out there and be the happy capitalist, leave some of the most basic absolute needs to live a minimal existence alone. Lets share in those costs. I don't make that kind of money, but even making less than 200,000, I would be ok with paying into this.
Someone in NYC at that income level already pays about 40% of their income in taxes, Federal, State, and Local.
That is not enough?
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Ok ur right i made it up because it benefited me soooo much.
Her last name isn't headhunter....ur an idiot.
Well u could roll around naked in it...its ur cash. You'd be the exception. Many people want reform but most do not want to pay for it.
Onlyme would be proud. ;)
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No....my brother in law does building inspections....the market was dead but I guess he's doing better now. But my point was directed in support of what 333 was saying. Money deson't go very far there.
They had a friend who was living in an apartment overlooking the central park....he got crushed in the recent crash and moved back in with his parents and is day trading.
U lead a very sad life TA don't u.
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No....my brother in law does building inspections....the market was dead but I guess he's doing better now. But my point was directed in support of what 333 was saying. Money deson't go very far there.
They had a friend who was living in an apartment overlooking the central park....he got crushed in the recent crash and moved back in with his parents and is day trading.
U lead a very sad life TA don't u.
Not at all, but I suspect you do. As much hatred, paranoia and panic as you spew and feel, its a wonder how you and 333366 ever make it through a single day without suicide on the forefront.
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No....my brother in law does building inspections....the market was dead but I guess he's doing better now. But my point was directed in support of what 333 was saying. Money deson't go very far there.
They had a friend who was living in an apartment overlooking the central park....he got crushed in the recent crash and moved back in with his parents and is day trading.
U lead a very sad life TA don't u.
200k a decent living but not rich.
To me, rich is when someone has millions in assets and deposits in the bank.
Think about this, a lawyer of a few years or doctor who has nothing but massive school loans to pay off and have to absorb a huge cost of living and work tons of hours to make 200k in NYC.
Is it fair to punish that guy or girl when they are not rich and even at 200k in NYC, probably dont have even 250k saved in the bank????
Its ridiculous. Income is not the same as wealth.
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Not at all, but I suspect you do. As much hatred and panic as you spew and feel, its a wonder how you and 333366 ever make it through a single day without suicide on the forefront.
I am too busy hustling and generating my own income to survive, something you have never had to do and would not know how to do.
What i despite are the lazy slobs in society who want to punish people like myself for being succesful. I am still at the office banging out work. i have been here since 8 am. And you have the balls to tell me about some societal obligation I have????
Screw that. I pay my taxes and thats it. Let some lazy jerkoff work half the hours I do and well see how quick they are to want to gove up their income to those who dont do shit.
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Yet they're going to be punished right along with the guy who manages to make the same thing and lives in Missouri. Ok TA...go deadlift and drive ur Lotus.
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Someone in NYC at that income level already pays about 40% of their income in taxes, Federal, State, and Local.
That is not enough?
Here's what I think. Cut out the bullshit. Chop the hell out of the federal and other uneeded crap. Pay fully for basic needs like health insurance and eduction. Stop paying trillions to wage war with the world. I really don't give a fuck if people on the other side of the world have democracy or whatever. Let them find their own path. That shit can't be handed to you. You have to want it and take it or you will never appreciate it and won't have any incentive to keep it. Trillions wasted on this nonsense. Pay for the basic needs we all have and cut the crap.
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Here's what I think. Cut out the bullshit. Chop the hell out of the federal and other uneeded crap. Pay fully for basic needs like health insurance and eduction. Stop paying trillions to wage war with the world. I really don't give a fuck if people on the other side of the world have democracy or whatever. Let them find their own path. That shit can't be handed to you. You have to want it and take it or you will never appreciate it and won't have any incentive to keep it. Trillions wasted on this nonsense. Pay for the basic needs we all have and cut the crap.
I agree with you, but that is not going to happen.
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I am too busy hustling and generating my own income to survive, something you have never had to do and would not know how to do.
What i despite are the lazy slobs in society who want to punish people like myself for being succesful. I am still at the office banging out work. i have been here since 8 am. And you have the balls to tell me about some societal obligation I have????
Screw that. I pay my taxes and thats it. Let some lazy jerkoff work half the hours I do and well see how quick they are to want to gove up their income to those who dont do shit.
I don`t feel sorry for your self imposed exile and greed at all nor am I keeping you from pursuing it. You need shiny objects to rationalize and justify your life and will do whatever it takes to get there. Besides, you are on Getbig posting, hardly a tough task.
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I agree with you, but that is not going to happen.
to bad.
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I don`t feel sorry for your self imposed exile and greed at all nor am I keeping you from pursuing it. You need shiny objects to rationalize and justify your life and will do whatever it takes to get there. Besides, you are on Getbig posting, hardly a tough task.
Spoken like a true trust fund baby.
I have no choice in the matter. I am my plan A, B, C, D, and E. I dont do what I, I dont eat.
I refuse to take any welfare or social assistance and will go to catskills and hunt for food before I ever take a govt handout or handout from another taxpayer. Its a disgrace.
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I don`t feel sorry for your self imposed exile and greed at all nor am I keeping you from pursuing it. You need shiny objects to rationalize and justify your life and will do whatever it takes to get there. Besides, you are on Getbig posting, hardly a tough task.
To use a baseball analogy:
When you start out in life with a trust fund, you dont understand that while you are at third base in life by no doings of your own, many of us start from the batters box and are not content staying down and staying put.
Living in NYC takes a lot of money just to afford anything.
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I read that the Democrat health plan inteds to add a surcharge of 3-4% on all people who make a AGI of $200k. That is gross, not net, before deductions. That is essentially a tax hike of between 6k to 8k. Thus if you make 201k, now you will net $193k as a result of this tax hike.
Lets say you make 201k and support the Govt health plan.
MY QUESTION IS THIS:
1. Is it ethical for you to tell your employer to reduce you salary to $199k to avoid the tax increase even though you support the plan?
YES OR NO????
if something like this went into effect (which I doubt it will) wouldn't it most likely be on the AGI > than 200k and wouldn'd their be some gross $$ cap. In your example the person with an AGI of 201k would pay an additional $30-40. Have you also considered how much that same person might save in health care premiums, deductibles (if he has a PPO which is what most people choose if they can afford it), etc...
Have you considered that with a public option that many small companies who cannot afford to offer health care will no longer be at a disadvantage in attracting good employees.
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I read that the Democrat health plan inteds to add a surcharge of 3-4% on all people who make a AGI of $200k. That is gross, not net, before deductions. That is essentially a tax hike of between 6k to 8k. Thus if you make 201k, now you will net $193k as a result of this tax hike.
Lets say you make 201k and support the Govt health plan.
MY QUESTION IS THIS:
1. Is it ethical for you to tell your employer to reduce you salary to $199k to avoid the tax increase even though you support the plan?
YES OR NO????
Doesn't sound unethical to me.
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if something like this went into effect (which I doubt it will) wouldn't it most likely be on the AGI > than 200k and wouldn'd their be some gross $$ cap. In your example the person with an AGI of 201k would pay an additional $30-40. Have you also considered how much that same person might save in health care premiums, deductibles (if he has a PPO which is what most people choose if they can afford it), etc...
Have you considered that with a public option that many small companies who cannot afford to offer health care will no longer be at a disadvantage in attracting good employees.
It was a hypothetical and we dont know if the amount will be on all income above 200k or how it will work.
The problem with a public plan is that millions and millions of people like their employer provided health care and are going to get dumped on the public plan because their employer wont be able to compete with other businesses who do the same. How is this good for people?
Additionally, a public plan will by definition lose money and the taxpayer is going to have to fund the shortfalls through more borrowoing or more taxing. Either way it stinks.
Think Medcaire, Medicaid, SS, all broke and near bust.