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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2014, 12:30:23 PM »
As a property owner I don't support this.

I'd support a simple multiple choice test that forced the voter to correctly identify the main policies and vote record of the candidate they're voting for, which would mean voters would have to educate themselves to the basic level on who they vote for.



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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2014, 12:37:25 PM »
As a property owner I don't support this.

I'd support a simple multiple choice test that forced the voter to correctly identify the main policies and vote record of the candidate they're voting for, which would mean voters would have to educate themselves to the basic level on who they vote for.


That's akin to an intelligence test.  Why shouldn't someone be able to vote for someone solely because they belong to a particular political party, regardless of whether they can identify main policies, etc.?  Or how about voting against someone from a particular party?  Or maybe they don't like (or do like) one position a candidate has taken?

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2014, 12:48:42 PM »
That's akin to an intelligence test.  Why shouldn't someone be able to vote for someone solely because they belong to a particular political party, regardless of whether they can identify main policies, etc.?  Or how about voting against someone from a particular party?  Or maybe they don't like (or do like) one position a candidate has taken?


yes, uninformed people obviously shouldn't be voting

The founders didn't envisage tens of millions of mouth breathing masses mindlessly voting, or they'd have done more than just repeatedly caution against irresponsible voting.

Isn't the constitution a 'living document' (lol) that can be amended for todays times?

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2014, 12:49:52 PM »
EVERYONE having the right to vote is DANGEROUS to a developed country like the USA, should EVERYONE have the right to own a gun ? ( I mean their should be SOME restrictions - felons, mentally ill etc... there has to be SOME limits and controls built in to protect everyone, illegals having a say in OUR  govt. and policies that affect an AMERICAN CITIZEN - that ain't right )
Morons that can vote to create ( intentionally or unintentionally )  a socialist-communist state would and will DESTROY America
No, EVERYBODY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE, just like EVERYBODY shouldn't be a doctor, lawyer, teacher etc... they may want to, but that doesn't make it right

Nobody here is saying "EVERYONE" should have the right to vote.  What they are saying is every citizen should have the right to vote.  That certainly excludes illegals.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2014, 12:51:34 PM »
As a property owner I don't support this.

I'd support a simple multiple choice test that forced the voter to correctly identify the main policies and vote record of the candidate they're voting for, which would mean voters would have to educate themselves to the basic level on who they vote for.




Are you joking?  Remember what happened with Florida voters in 2000?    ;D

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 01:14:43 PM »
I believe that all American citizens of age should continue to have the right to vote. But I think that perhaps your vote should count as more votes depending upon your tax bracket.

It's been said that many of those who are outwardly limousine liberals are only pretending to be such because it's PC to do so, and it keeps them from being attacked so much because of their wealth.

Apparently many feel differently behind closed doors, and may not vote as they say they do when they're inside that booth with the curtain drawn.
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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2014, 02:26:39 PM »
Currently people don't have a stake in the issues they vote on because they don't own property?

The only stake they have is the flow of things provided to them by property owners.  :-\

Which is no stake at all...

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2014, 03:58:40 PM »
The only stake they have is the flow of things provided to them by property owners.  :-\

Which is no stake at all...

So people who dont own property don't pay taxes?

And tax revenue is 100% from property taxes?

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2014, 06:06:47 PM »
So people who dont own property don't pay taxes?

And tax revenue is 100% from property taxes?

fuck me,,,, forget it  ;D

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2014, 07:07:06 PM »
Only tax payers and those of retirement age who paid in should be able to vote. No women either.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2014, 07:27:50 PM »
Only tax payers and those of retirement age who paid in should be able to vote. No women either.

As a country we would be in a much better position if that was the case.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2014, 05:00:49 PM »
Better we should be like Australia and make voting mandatory for all citizens, if you ask me.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2014, 06:15:09 PM »
Better we should be like Australia and make voting mandatory for all citizens, if you ask me.

Mandatory? Why?

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2014, 01:42:28 PM »
Big govt making things mandatory is exactly the kind of thing I vote against.
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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2014, 04:31:36 PM »
Mandatory? Why?

So that more people take part.  Maybe mandatory in the sense of fining those that don't take part (like Australia does) IS going too far.

Maybe the gov't could reward voters in some way to encourage participation?

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2014, 02:34:00 AM »
So that more people take part.

That's not a reason: it's a goal. Why should people be forced to take part? There's plenty of legitimate reasons people have for not voting. Why force them?


Maybe the gov't could reward voters in some way to encourage participation?

Let's say you give every voter a crisp $5 bill... do you know what will happen? A bunch of people who know nothing about the issues and don't want to know anything about them will come to claim their crisp $5. They'll cast a meaningless vote - at best it will be a "None of the Above" across the board and won't affect anything. At worst, it will be a vote cast at random and it would effectively cancel out the vote of someone who votes their conscience - perhaps yours.

So yeah, incentives sound like a great idea!

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2014, 08:13:01 AM »
If you receive government assistance you are ineligible to vote, would be a better solution.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2014, 10:29:15 PM »
That's not a reason: it's a goal. Why should people be forced to take part? There's plenty of legitimate reasons people have for not voting. Why force them?


Let's say you give every voter a crisp $5 bill... do you know what will happen? A bunch of people who know nothing about the issues and don't want to know anything about them will come to claim their crisp $5. They'll cast a meaningless vote - at best it will be a "None of the Above" across the board and won't affect anything. At worst, it will be a vote cast at random and it would effectively cancel out the vote of someone who votes their conscience - perhaps yours.

So yeah, incentives sound like a great idea!

Whoa!  Who said money?   I purposely chose the word "reward" instead of "money" because of scenarios like the one you desrcibe. 

Not sure what the reward could be, though.  Personally, I would like something like a voucher that would let me get out of one parking ticket or something like that but I can see how that wouldn't appeal to a lot of people so maybe the reward could vary? 

Maybe, instead of a reward or penalty to encourage more voter participation in elections, you could just make it easier by allowing folks that have internet service to vote from home using the internet.  A system like that might not be feasible yet, but I've gotta think that it can't be too far from being possible.  People do all kinds of privacy sensitive shit over the internet already.  Maybe you make the people that want to do it this way use their webcam?  Just a thought.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2014, 10:25:36 AM »
Only tax payers and those of retirement age who paid in should be able to vote. No women either.

Are you saying that non-citizen, legal aliens should have the right to vote?  They pay taxes.

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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2014, 01:37:49 PM »
Are you saying that non-citizen, legal aliens should have the right to vote?  They pay taxes.

I wonder how many legals / illegals HAVE voted in recent years? I can just imagine which way they voted...
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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2014, 04:07:45 PM »
EVERYONE having the right to vote is DANGEROUS to a developed country like the USA, should EVERYONE have the right to own a gun ? ( I mean their should be SOME restrictions - felons, mentally ill etc... there has to be SOME limits and controls built in to protect everyone, illegals having a say in OUR  govt. and policies that affect an AMERICAN CITIZEN - that ain't right )
Morons that can vote to create ( intentionally or unintentionally )  a socialist-communist state would and will DESTROY America
No, EVERYBODY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE, just like EVERYBODY shouldn't be a doctor, lawyer, teacher etc... they may want to, but that doesn't make it right

Depends on what you mean by "dangerous", I guess.

Also, it's probably more dangerous in an undeveloped country, don't you think?


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Re: Only Property Owners Should Be Eligible To Vote
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2014, 06:11:52 PM »
Whoa!  Who said money?   I purposely chose the word "reward" instead of "money" because of scenarios like the one you desrcibe. 

Not sure what the reward could be, though.  Personally, I would like something like a voucher that would let me get out of one parking ticket or something like that but I can see how that wouldn't appeal to a lot of people so maybe the reward could vary? 

Maybe, instead of a reward or penalty to encourage more voter participation in elections, you could just make it easier by allowing folks that have internet service to vote from home using the internet.  A system like that might not be feasible yet, but I've gotta think that it can't be too far from being possible.  People do all kinds of privacy sensitive shit over the internet already.  Maybe you make the people that want to do it this way use their webcam?  Just a thought.

It doesn't matter what the incentive (i.e. reward) is. If it's meant to entice people to vote, it must be something people want. If it's something people don't want, it doesn't help get more people involved and is, therefore, pointless. If it is something that people want, then sinceall it "costs" is casting a vote, people will just go cast a vote.

"Great," you might say, "this is exactly what we wanted! More people involved." I don't agree... the number of people casting votes is a meaningless metric. How does it help us if 80% of the people show up to vote, and all they do is randomly pick a candidate, without knowing that candidate's position, platform, beliefs, etc.?

The important metric is how many people are seriously involved in the political process and make informed decisions when casting their ballots.

A "get out of a speeding ticket" card won't improve that number. In fact, it will only reduce it. That's why your scheme fails; not because of the type of reward chosen.