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Title: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: True Amateur on February 06, 2013, 11:52:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 06, 2013, 12:01:33 PM
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Fuck the bible
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 12:15:14 PM

That passage just refers to how much GOD loves slaying humans, the god of the BIBLE is an angry, jealous, genocidal maniac.  The God of the bible makes Satan look wholesome.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: True Amateur on February 06, 2013, 12:31:44 PM
That passage just refers to how much GOD loves slaying humans, the god of the BIBLE is an angry, jealous, genocidal maniac.  The God of the bible makes Satan look wholesome.
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: _bruce_ on February 06, 2013, 12:39:02 PM
Love the bible.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Wiggs on February 06, 2013, 01:17:49 PM
Fuck the bible

Fuck you
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: the trainer on February 06, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
Fuck the bible


If you said that to my face I would beat you into a pulp
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 01:27:16 PM

If you said that to my face I would beat you into a pulp
How very Christian of you!  One could argue that if that's the way you feel, you need to read the bible a bit more often, you have obviously missed the whole point of it.  It is Religious freaks like you that deter people from the religion and the bible.  if so called Religious people are just as violent as the rest of the people, why bother.  Either your a SHIT Christian or Religion has failed you!  I know people with absolutely no religious affiliation who are more patient, tolerant and forgiving than you or the average Christian.  How sad, when atheists have a higher level of morality than Christians.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 06, 2013, 01:33:05 PM
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this whole thing taken out of context.all religion support killing in self defense and against evil forces to keep balance.other wise world will be full of assholes like you.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
this whole thing taken out of context.all religion support killing in self defense and against evil forces to keep balance.other wise world will be full of assholes like you.
Too Bad Evil always thinks it is GOOD! Who judges who is EVIL?, both sides will accuse the other of being evil while selling themselves as GOOD!

Take America for example, they accuse everyone else of being terrorists and they the good guys, when it is clear America are the Greatest terrorist nation on the planet!  Claiming to be righteous just makes their EVIL all the more obscene and offensive!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: jakew300 on February 06, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
How very Christian of you!  One could argue that if that's the way you feel, you need to read the bible a bit more often, you have obviously missed the whole point of it.  It is Religious freaks like you that deter people from the religion and the bible.  if so called Religious people are just as violent as the rest of the people, why bother.  Either your a SHIT Christian or Religion has failed you!  I know people with absolutely no religious affiliation who are more patient, tolerant and forgiving than you or the average Christian.  How sad, when atheists have a higher level of morality than Christians.
So tell us what the Bible is about!  You seem to think you know everything so enlighten us.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 01:44:45 PM
So tell us what the Bible is about!  You seem to think you know everything so enlighten us.
Simple - Love your enemy

Matthew 5:44 : But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

If you have made things more complicated than that, you have been led astray.  Any old Tom, Dick and Harry can love those who love them, only a master can love their enemies!  Essentially the whole teaching of the Bible can be summed up in that one verse!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: jakew300 on February 06, 2013, 01:46:49 PM
Simple - Love your enemy

Matthew 5:44 : But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

If you have made things more complicated than that, you have been led astray.  Any old Tom, Dick and Harry can love those who love them, only a master can love their enemies!  Essentially the whole Bible can be summed up in that one verse!

Ignorance it great in you.  The Bible is about grace and mercy of Jesus how died on the cross to take a way the sins of those who believe in him.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 06, 2013, 01:50:12 PM
Too Bad Evil always thinks it is GOOD! Who judges who is EVIL?, both sides will accuse the other of being evil while selling themselves as GOOD!

Take America for example, they accuse everyone else of being terrorists and they the good guys, when it is clear America are the Greatest terrorist nation on the planet!  Claiming to be righteous just makes their EVIL all the more obscene and offensive!
every human is born with instinct to differentiated between good or bad.if you keep your heart clean from the dirt of allusions u can tell.its not rocket science.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
Ignorance it great in you.  The Bible is about grace and mercy of Jesus how died on the cross to take a way the sins of those who believe in him.
No, if this is why you are drawn to religion so that you have a system of avoiding the necessary guilt for when you fuck people over, that is shameful.  What you stated above is a cop out, and a way for people to avoid feeling bad about doing the wrong thing.  Essentially, Jesus message was to love thy neighbour.  If you need an atheist to point that out to you, you are also another failed Christian.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 01:54:38 PM
every human is born with instinct to differentiated between good or bad.if you keep your heart clean from the dirt of allusions u can tell.its not rocket science.
You fail to see the deeper complexity and as usual, typical of religious zealots have just painted a black and white picture.  if every human-being was born with the instinct to know right from wrong, they would all agree and Utopia would ensue.  The fact is, every human being has a different interpretation of good, hence the reason we have wars, violence, Hatred and Star Wars.  Their is no one size fits all morality, that's just wishful thinking on behalf of the religious Control Freaks.

The average person finds child molestation distasteful and immoral, the Churches have a different take, and obviously find it an acceptable activity judging by their worldwide cover up of regular abuses of children at the hands of priests.  See how morality is viewed differently depending on who you are.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 06, 2013, 02:34:39 PM
You fail to see the deeper complexity and as usual, typical of religious zealots have just painted a black and white picture.  if every human-being was born with the instinct to know right from wrong, they would all agree and Utopia would ensue.  The fact is, every human being has a different interpretation of good, hence the reason we have wars, violence, Hatred and Star Wars.  Their is no one size fits all morality, that's just wishful thinking on behalf of the religious Control Freaks.

The average person finds child molestation distasteful and immoral, the Churches have a different take, and obviously find it an acceptable activity judging by their worldwide cover up of regular abuses of children at the hands of priests.  See how morality is viewed differently depending on who you are.
church support child molestation now who is exaggerating.cover up is not supporting.i think religious teaching are simple and straight forward.human has not changed a bit since their creation..the greed,lust.wickedness,jelousy every thing is same.whats so different.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 06, 2013, 02:41:03 PM

If you said that to my face I would beat you into a pulp

You would try and you would fail
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: jakew300 on February 06, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
No, if this is why you are drawn to religion so that you have a system of avoiding the necessary guilt for when you fuck people over, that is shameful.  What you stated above is a cop out, and a way for people to avoid feeling bad about doing the wrong thing.  Essentially, Jesus message was to love thy neighbour.  If you need an atheist to point that out to you, you are also another failed Christian.

Man the ignorance is great with you.  Calm down!  What you have listed is called the fruit of the Sprite.  Do you know why Jesus came to Earth? If you are an Atheist why would you care what another person does?  Is it that you know there is something greater than you, but want to rationalize you life?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: cannon_fodder on February 06, 2013, 03:00:55 PM

If you said that to my face I would beat you into a pulp

Fuck the bible
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: True Amateur on February 06, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
The Obama worshipping aethiests always come on a Bible thread and try to get everyone riled up. Usually there's a reason behind the rejection of God's Law. A lot of these fellas have sex with other men, stolen, financed abortions and so forth and they know Hell awaits.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: WillGrant on February 06, 2013, 03:26:25 PM
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: pecster on February 06, 2013, 04:15:58 PM
Why do born-agains always rave that the Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament and then insist that the OT material is valid?  'Splain me, Lucy.  Also, what kind of person gets off on serving a brutal, vengeful deity?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: True Amateur on February 06, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Why do born-agains always rave that the Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament and then insist that the OT material is valid?  'Splain me, Lucy.  Also, what kind of person gets off on serving a brutal, vengeful deity?
Poster is a homosexual, closeted or otherwise, and feels nervous around discussions of God's Laws, which he secretly believes and dreads. If he didn't believe in God's Laws, he wouldn't be so adamantly committed to refuting them. The fear and terror some of these Godless types exhibit around discussion of The Bible is telling.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Tapeworm on February 06, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Buy bull.  Be a rancher.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 06, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
Actually Christ's apostles were armed.  Remember the verse where the romans are coming for Christ and they cut the roman's ear off with a sword?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Fuck the bible

Fuck you, asshole.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
when the bible was made upwritten, there was no guns invented yet, you blithering homo op.

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and the bible backs up many other ridiculous things,esp the old testament

'These are the true sayings of God' (Revelation). God is a holy/good/perfect/sinless God; it's impossible for Him to lie.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Why do born-agains always rave that the Old Testament has been replaced by the New Testament and then insist that the OT material is valid?  'Splain me, Lucy.  Also, what kind of person gets off on serving a brutal, vengeful deity?

The Deity is good and always justified. What is wrong with destroying evil and the unholy practitioners thereof?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 07:27:31 PM
You would try and you would fail

Of course not. Because you foolishly and wickedly oppose the great God you are already condemned. :'(
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
church support child molestation now who is exaggerating.cover up is not supporting.i think religious teaching are simple and straight forward.human has not changed a bit since their creation..the greed,lust.wickedness,jelousy every thing is same.whats so different.
Exaggeration, you are obviously unaware of the SINS of the Church, here in Australia, it has been going on so long and with the absolute support of the Church that the Government has started a Royal Commission into this large paedophile ring called the Church.  Your just another sick freak who supports the child molestation of the churches, their abuses against children are well documented, covering it up is indeed support, and to think humans haven't changed a bit since creation hows your absolute ignorance and lack of scientific insight.  Face it, the God of the Bible is genocidal, his supporters delusional and the Modern day Church is just the stomping ground for a ring of paedophiles.  Rather than being something Good, it is EVIL in the extreme, and to participate in such an EVIL practice by default makes you also EVIL.  Religion is Poison and it's followers poisoned.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 10:02:16 PM
Your just another sick freak who supports the child molestation of the churches, their abuses against children are well documented, covering it up is indeed support, and to think humans haven't changed a bit since creation hows your absolute ignorance and lack of scientific insight.  Face it, the God of the Bible is genocidal, his supporters delusional and the Modern day Church is just the stomping ground for a ring of paedophiles.  Rather than being something Good, it is EVIL in the extreme, and to participate in such an EVIL practice by default makes you also EVIL.  Religion is Poison and it's followers poisoned.

The God of the Bible was merely destroying lots of extremely wicked and corrupt men because He HAD to; what other option had He? I shudder to think what more ill they would have done had they been permitted to live. I've already explained this to you so why can't you understand? You are repeating the same old nonsense.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:03:18 PM
The Obama worshipping aethiests always come on a Bible thread and try to get everyone riled up. Usually there's a reason behind the rejection of God's Law. A lot of these fellas have sex with other men, stolen, financed abortions and so forth and they know Hell awaits.
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:12:49 PM
The God of the Bible was merely destroying lots of extremely wicked and corrupt men because He HAD to; what other option had He? I shudder to think what more ill they would have done had they been permitted to live. I've already explained this to you so why can't you understand? You are repeating the same old nonsense.
This old chestnut, The all powerful God murders so called evil people but all the while allowing the DEVIL who was responsible to live!  Why would a god create people with evil potential and then destroy them when they fulfil that potential?  We have been down this road before, Religion cannot explain EVIL, it just simply can not, and that's why religious Nuts make up all type of strange stories to explain it, even though to a logical person they make zero sense. 

Jon your just another Religious propagandist, depending on your level of awareness, you may or may not realise this, you are programmed to replay the same answers over and over, you will never progress as a human being the whole time you stay stuck in this loop, you can go around condemning everyone who is not a Religious Nut, but all you do is confirm how pitiful it is to be in such a viscous circle.  Religion was designed for miserable people, those who weren't able to find satisfaction in life and needed to aspire to something better, even if it was in the afterlife.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 06, 2013, 10:30:37 PM
E-Kul your understanding of Christian theology is clearly poor.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
E-Kul your understanding of Christian theology is clearly poor.
Alright Dazza, please enlighten us on your theological explanation of EVIL.  This should be good for a laugh!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 06, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
Alright Dazza, please enlighten us on your theological explanation of EVIL.  This should be good for a laugh!

It is right in the Bible - God created man and saw that he had made a big mistake.  His creation was not good. 
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:38:57 PM
It is right in the Bible - God created man and saw that he had made a big mistake.  His creation was not good.  
HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HA

Thanks Dazza, I knew you wouldn't let me down, that explains everything, your theodicy is complete, highly detailed and intellectually satisfying.  Good Work! Keep it up.

Na, just joking, you're an idiot, so, your argument is that GOD isn't omnipotent and that he wasn't to good at creating stuff, in essence he was a failure. 

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 10:39:26 PM
This old chestnut, The all powerful God murders so called evil people but all the while allowing the DEVIL who was responsible to live!  Why would a god create people with evil potential and then destroy them when they fulfil that potential?  We have been down this road before, Religion cannot explain EVIL, it just simply can not, and that's why religious Nuts make up all type of strange stories to explain it, even though to a logical person they make zero sense. 

Jon your just another Religious propagandist, depending on your level of awareness, you may or may not realise this, you are programmed to replay the same answers over and over, you will never progress as a human being the whole time you stay stuck in this loop, you can go around condemning everyone who is not a Religious Nut, but all you do is confirm how pitiful it is to be in such a viscous circle.  Religion was designed for miserable people, those who weren't able to find satisfaction in life and needed to aspire to something better, even if it was in the afterlife.

I keep repeating the same thing because it's the truth but for some reason you just cannot grasp it so you post the same tirades against God and I answer the same thing and so the cycle goes. Those evil people had free will and chose evil so they had to be punished accordingly. They were punished for their sins and not the devil's sins. The devil will be given the worst punishment of all creation when the time comes but for now as I already explained He's allowed to live freely (although God sets certain restrictions on His activity) to fulfill God's purpose. God wants to show all generations that evil men will unite with the devil in rebelling against God's way rather to choose to serve and obey God. Everything has already been explained to you but bafflingly you keep on repeating the same old rubbish as if my words had never entered your ears; why's that? And Christianity is not a religion but rather a personal relationship with the living and true God. Don't denigrate saints who are committed to serving God (while you aren't) as being nuts for their noble zeal and ardour. Potential for good and evil come with the gift of free will. Of course God only wants his creations to choose good but they can only actively make such a choice ONLY if they have free will and hence only if there is a possibility of choosing evil. Without this crucial choice man would be mere automatons or puppets but God had a loftier aim for mankind which is why He created them as free moral agents like the angels.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
It is right in the Bible - God created man and saw that he had made a big mistake.  His creation was not good. 

God did create man good ('and He saw that it was good'). But after a while men chose their own way, the wicked way, instead of following God.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:46:12 PM
I keep repeating the same thing because it's the truth but for some reason you just cannot grasp it so you post the same tirades against God and I answer the same thing and so the cycle goes. Those evil people had free will and chose evil so they had to be punished accordingly. They were punished for their sins and not the devil's sins. The devil will be given the worst punishment of all creation when the time comes but for now as I already explained He's allowed to live freely (although God sets certain restrictions on His activity) to fulfill God's purpose. God wants to show all generations that evil men will unite with the devil in rebelling against God's way rather to choose to serve and obey God. Everything has already been explained to you but bafflingly you keep on repeating the same old rubbish as if my words had never entered your ears; why's that? And Christianity is not a religion but rather a personal relationship with the living and true God. Don't denigrate saints who are committed to serving God (while you aren't) as being nuts for their noble zeal and ardour. Potential for good and evil come with the gift of free will. Of course God only wants his creations to choose good but they can only actively make such a choice ONLY if they have free will and hence only if there is a possibility of choosing evil. Without this crucial choice man would be mere automatons or puppets but God had a loftier aim for mankind which is why He created them as free moral agents like the angels.

^^^ It's hard to fathom a modern mind could believe such utter utter nonsense.

Their are many issues with free will, one is that the free will of the evil doer, very often diminish the freedom of those who suffer the evil.  Like the free will of Adam Lanza diminished the free will of the children he murdered.  It doesn't seem GOOD that a divine being would not intervene in such circumstance.

A second criticism is that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

Also Free Will fails to address natural evils, such as earthquakes, hurricanes and diseases that cause much suffering

Their are also good arguments that deny the existence of free will

1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
2. There is evil in the world.
3. Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
God did create man good ('and He saw that it was good'). But after a while men chose their own way, the wicked way, instead of following God.
Your God seems pretty pathetic, he has the power to create man, but not the power to ensure that man acts in a way that is comforting to God.  In essence, the humans he created are more powerful because they can act against the will of god and God is powerless to do anything about it.  Your GOD sounds like a LOSER!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 06, 2013, 11:03:03 PM
1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.

Again, you show your poor grasp of Christian theology.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
Again, you show your poor grasp of Christian theology.
I now understand you a great deal better, you are just a simple idiot!  What I quoted was the by a great philosopher called Epicurus.  When you start insisting that men far greater than you have no idea what they are going on about, is a sure indication you are a fool.  What is your argument exactly, the existence of evil is because god isn't omnipotent!  Considering that the problem of evil has been debated for centuries, your brief singular response is a clear indication you have little to no understanding on the issue and have probably never even enquired about it.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
Your God seems pretty pathetic, he has the power to create man, but not the power to ensure that man acts in a way that is comforting to God.  In essence, the humans he created are more powerful because they can act against the will of god and God is powerless to do anything about it.  Your GOD sounds like a LOSER!

Of course God can do plenty about it; He is all-powerful. But He also wants us humans to have a choice just as the angels do. He can strike down all evildoers at once but in His mercy He wishes to give us time and space in which to repent. I already told you the only way for God to ensure that man acts in a way comforting to Him is to create man as robots or puppets but He wants us to CHOOSE good over evil for ourselves hence His gift of free will and it's impossible for there to be free will without the potential for evil. That's just the nature of the game. Some things are just plain impossible regardless of whether you are omnipotent like God, such as creating a tree so sturdy that He cannot chop it down. As much as infinite power cannot tackle what is impossible to achieve; that's the way it is so stop blaming God. Rather, blame the angels (especially the devil) and humans who deliberately and wickedly sinned against God. You're trying to pin the blame on God when the responsibility for the sins committed lies squarely with the free moral agents/creations who chose to do ill. Did anyone force them? Remember, the potential for evil would go utterly untapped if nobody sinned in making the wrong choice. God is a free moral agent too and He NEVER sins and as a just God He expects the same from all his creations. Man fell unfortunately and so in God's boundless mercy He sent His Son Jesus Christ to save us from righteous condemnation for our sins (He didn't do so for the angels that transgressed). In any case, God was successful in His plan for humanity because there are MANY Christians who faithfully worship Him.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
^^^ It's hard to fathom a modern mind could believe such utter utter nonsense.

Their are many issues with free will, one is that the free will of the evil doer, very often diminish the freedom of those who suffer the evil.  Like the free will of Adam Lanza diminished the free will of the children he murdered.  It doesn't seem GOOD that a divine being would not intervene in such circumstance.

A second criticism is that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

Also Free Will fails to address natural evils, such as earthquakes, hurricanes and diseases that cause much suffering

Their are also good arguments that deny the existence of free will

1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
2. There is evil in the world.
3. Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.

Those 3 points (1 and 3 are absolute nonsense) I have just adressed. As for the prior stuff you posted, who are you to tell God what to do? If you want God to intervene then why don't you pray harder and more earnestly? God is God and He doesn't HAVE to do anything for anyone. On the contrary all creation are supposed to serve and obey Him for His own pleasure. The reason why school shootings and natural disasters still occur is the existence of sin in the universe; God WILL make all things new and destroy sin and everything will be perfect but that time hasn't arrived yet. Read Revelation to see God's timetable for the future.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 06, 2013, 11:28:55 PM
I now understand you a great deal better, you are just a simple idiot!  What I quoted was the by a great philosopher called Epicurus.  When you start insisting that men far greater than you have no idea what they are going on about, is a sure indication you are a fool.  What is your argument exactly, the existence of evil is because god isn't omnipotent!  Considering that the problem of evil has been debated for centuries, your brief singular response is a clear indication you have little to no understanding on the issue and have probably never even enquired about it.

Don't bother about what mortal philosophers, mere men, say. Rather care for what God, the great God, says in His word.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: calfzilla on February 06, 2013, 11:30:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: OTHstrong on February 06, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
Your God seems pretty pathetic, he has the power to create man, but not the power to ensure that man acts in a way that is comforting to God.  In essence, the humans he created are more powerful because they can act against the will of god and God is powerless to do anything about it.  Your GOD sounds like a LOSER!
Of course he can create mankind in an obedient form but that would defeat the purpose of his creation, for his creation was based on FREE WILL. You have not read the Bible that much is clear
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 11:38:28 PM
Of course God can do plenty about it; He is all-powerful. But He also wants us humans to have a choice just as the angels do. He can strike down all evildoers at once but in His mercy He wishes to give us time and space in which to repent. I already told you the only way for God to ensure that man acts in a way comforting to Him is to create man as robots or puppets but He wants us to CHOOSE good over evil for ourselves hence His gift of free will and it's impossible for there to be free will without the potential for evil. That's just the nature of the game.
Are you some type of sadist, you come up with some retarded explanation for evil, and then shrug your shoulders and say it's just a game, and them the rules, so suck it up!  So GOD could have struck down Adam Lanza, but rather than show mercy to innocent 5 year old children, he preferred to show mercy to a psychotic mass murderer.  You are a sadist, just like the God you worship.  An omnipotent could devise it so that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

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Some things are just plain impossible regardless of whether you are omnipotent like God, such as creating a tree so sturdy that He cannot chop it down. As much as infinite power cannot tackle what is impossible to achieve; that's the way it is so stop blaming God.

 
You fail to grasp the concept of omnipotent and all powerful don't you

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Rather, blame the angels (especially the devil)  
Oh, The Devil, for the devil to exist, he must be more powerful than GOD, for if he wasn't GOD could easily destroy him

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and humans who deliberately and wickedly sinned against God.  
God created humans this way, do you blame Windows 8 for crashing, or do you see the fault with the Programmer.

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You're trying to pin the blame on God when the responsibility for the sins committed lies squarely with the free moral agents/creations who chose to do ill. Did anyone force them?
Typically of a religious zealot you have reduced life and complex moral decisions to a simple black and white world-view.  Did Jews who were forced by NAZIS to oversee death camps and the murder of their fellow man do the right thing by participating or should they have committed suicide?  Is a woman impregnated by rape committing evil by aborting the pregnancy? I could go on all day about the moral dilemmas humanity faces.  The so called choice between Good and EVIL isn't so black and white as you see it

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God was successful in His plan for humanity because there are MANY Christians who faithfully worship Him.
What a load of bollocks!  If this was the case, the world would be a good place due to people practising Christ like actions, instead we have a world filled with War, famine, greed and poverty, mostly caused by the Religious people by the way!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
Of course he can create mankind in an obedient form but that would defeat the purpose of his creation, for his creation was based on FREE WILL. You have not read the Bible that much is clear
An omnipotent being could devise it so that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

You obviously lack an understanding of free will.  You have read the bible too much, this much is clear!

Also, another problem with free will, is that the free will of the evil doer, very often diminishes the freedom of those who suffer the evil.  Like the free will of Adam Lanza diminished the free will of the children he murdered.  In this sense, FREE WILL is quite EVIL and It doesn't seem GOOD that a divine being would not intervene in such circumstance.


Also Free Will fails to address natural evils, such as earthquakes, hurricanes and diseases that cause much suffering


Not only that, their are strong arguments to suggest that their is NO SUCH THING AS FREE WILL!  Just face it, the average Religious Nutter finds it more comforting to accept nonsense than to admit they DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW and explore the issues further.  It is a combination of intellectual laziness and human arrogance.

And please enlighten us all to GOD's purpose for his creation This should be interesting
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: OTHstrong on February 06, 2013, 11:50:28 PM
An omnipotent could devise it so that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

You obviously lack an understanding of free will.  You have read the bible too much, this much is clear!
He could have should have would have horse shit, that was not his objective.

We have free will as was intended. We have feelings and emotions in a wide spectrum as was intended. There will be pain and sufferment and there will be happiness. We grow in the direction we choice, some strong some weak. What we accept is what is our level of awareness and the ones who accept the horrors of life without blaming God are on the right path according to the Bible, very basic theological concept that you clearly know nothing about.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on February 06, 2013, 11:52:04 PM
I have to say e kul is on a roll here. good work e kul
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 06, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
Those 3 points (1 and 3 are absolute nonsense) I have just adressed. As for the prior stuff you posted, who are you to tell God what to do? If you want God to intervene then why don't you pray harder and more earnestly? God is God and He doesn't HAVE to do anything for anyone. On the contrary all creation are supposed to serve and obey Him for His own pleasure. The reason why school shootings and natural disasters still occur is the existence of sin in the universe; God WILL make all things new and destroy sin and everything will be perfect but that time hasn't arrived yet. Read Revelation to see God's timetable for the future.
OH Brother! No worries, So far I have been praying hard that GOD helps people such as you open your mind and look for answers to the things you don't know the answers too, Rather than just making shit up!  So far, it hasn't worked.  If their is a GOD I am sure he is embarrassed by the people who worship him.  I am convinced God prefers atheists!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 07, 2013, 02:05:06 AM
Exaggeration, you are obviously unaware of the SINS of the Church, here in Australia, it has been going on so long and with the absolute support of the Church that the Government has started a Royal Commission into this large paedophile ring called the Church.  Your just another sick freak who supports the child molestation of the churches, their abuses against children are well documented, covering it up is indeed support, and to think humans haven't changed a bit since creation hows your absolute ignorance and lack of scientific insight.  Face it, the God of the Bible is genocidal, his supporters delusional and the Modern day Church is just the stomping ground for a ring of paedophiles.  Rather than being something Good, it is EVIL in the extreme, and to participate in such an EVIL practice by default makes you also EVIL.  Religion is Poison and it's followers poisoned.
you are an intellectual idiot who will never get it right.let suppose for a while that all followers of all religions turn bad and start supporting gays,child molestation or abortions.what this got to do with religion.holy books stand still on their core those who left behind they will have to join and those who by pass them has to come back.they are core of mankind.every time people lost their way of life they have to come back to the basics.
many times in history the whole nations and societies turn against GOD,s laws.for examples Sodom,s...only Loot was standing still with the core.Abraham one man standing against whole idol worshipers nation.just because they were out numbered make them wrong.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Tito24 on February 07, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
its backs everything for people thats the problem with religion.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 07, 2013, 02:41:22 AM
You are just a PARROT.  But I'm sure you've been told that before.

I now understand you a great deal better, you are just a simple idiot!  What I quoted was the by a great philosopher called Epicurus.  When you start insisting that men far greater than you have no idea what they are going on about, is a sure indication you are a fool.  What is your argument exactly, the existence of evil is because god isn't omnipotent!  Considering that the problem of evil has been debated for centuries, your brief singular response is a clear indication you have little to no understanding on the issue and have probably never even enquired about it.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 07, 2013, 03:05:22 AM
you are an intellectual idiot
And that is an moronic oxymoron

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who will never get it right.let suppose for a while that all followers of all religions turn bad and start supporting gays,child molestation or abortions.what this got to do with religion.holy books stand still on their core those who left behind they will have to join and those who by pass them has to come back.they are core of mankind.every time people lost their way of life they have to come back to the basics.
many times in history the whole nations and societies turn against GOD,s laws.for examples Sodom,s...only Loot was standing still with the core.Abraham one man standing against whole idol worshipers nation.just because they were out numbered make them wrong.

^^^ This pretty much just seems like jibberish, bur essentially, if you do not understand that by being part of a group well known for historical atrocities and still continuing to behave in an evil and immoral way by molesting children and covering it up, if you willingly support this group, and do nothing to eradicate it or stand against it, you are complicit in this behaviour.  It is not good enough to put it down to bad seeds, the rest of the group must eradicate it or be painted with the same brush.  The Church has had decades to deal with the issue, and not only have they not dealt with the issue, it has gotten worse,  The Church and it's members have sponsored paedophilia and by the members inaction and denial of such atrocities are complicit in the unnecessary suffering of many young children.

As it stands now the majority of people stand against God's laws, the majority of them Religious by the way, and what has God done, NOTHING.  As a matter of fact the majority of the World's evil has been inflicted by the Religious and in God's name.  The only way to make the world a better place, is to eradicate religion for eternity!  If Religion and God ensured peace and harmony, it would have happened a long time ago, considering humanity has always been predominately Religious and so called God fearing.  Atheism is the way forward, time will prove me correct.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 07, 2013, 03:09:47 AM
And that is an moronic oxymoron

I think what he is trying to say is that you are a pseudo intellectual with the TRUE INTELLIGENCE of a parrot.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 07, 2013, 04:26:42 AM
you are an intellectual idiot

And that is a moronic oxymoron.

I think what he is trying to say is that you are a pseudo intellectual with the TRUE INTELLIGENCE of a parrot.
Nice attempt, but moronic oxymoron was far cleverer!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 07, 2013, 05:30:48 AM
Why bother debating ekul? He's already been shown to be homosexual. Therefore we know he despises God's Law. No debate to be had.

true
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 08:37:11 AM
Of course he can create mankind in an obedient form but that would defeat the purpose of his creation, for his creation was based on FREE WILL. You have not read the Bible that much is clear

That's probably the 1st intelligent thing I've heard you say.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 08:39:04 AM
OH Brother! No worries, So far I have been praying hard that GOD helps people such as you open your mind and look for answers to the things you don't know the answers too, Rather than just making shit up!  So far, it hasn't worked.  If their is a GOD I am sure he is embarrassed by the people who worship him.  I am convinced God prefers atheists!

What stuff have I made up here? Everything I wrote is true and for your benefit so please reread and grasp what I said properly this time round. Of course I know the answers; how else could I have posted them?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 09:20:17 AM
An omnipotent being could devise it so that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!

You obviously lack an understanding of free will.  You have read the bible too much, this much is clear!

Also, another problem with free will, is that the free will of the evil doer, very often diminishes the freedom of those who suffer the evil.  Like the free will of Adam Lanza diminished the free will of the children he murdered.  In this sense, FREE WILL is quite EVIL and It doesn't seem GOOD that a divine being would not intervene in such circumstance.


Also Free Will fails to address natural evils, such as earthquakes, hurricanes and diseases that cause much suffering


Not only that, their are strong arguments to suggest that their is NO SUCH THING AS FREE WILL!  Just face it, the average Religious Nutter finds it more comforting to accept nonsense than to admit they DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW and explore the issues further.  It is a combination of intellectual laziness and human arrogance.

And please enlighten us all to GOD's purpose for his creation This should be interesting

Oh please, who are you to suggest to God what to do so as to limit the potential for evil? You're just a foolish and wicked man whereas God is perfect and holy and omniscient besides being omnipotent and omnipresent. All your suggestions are nonsense anyway. We all know what is good and what is evil; God doesn't need to babysit us. It is not free will that is evil but rather the CHOICE of evil that is evil and causes suffering; that's why God says a million times to obey His commandments and sin not. Instead, and oh so ironically, we have clowns like you repeatedly violating God's laws and going against Him. You are unmarried and are yet living in sin, for instance. No wonder you constantly blaspheme God; God will destroy you in His holiness and perfect justice if you don't repent. Natural disasters are the direct consequence of sin and imperfection and God will remove all this for good at the end time; in any case such cases of earthquakes and hurricanes and such are few and far between which is why you and I aren't affected by them. And I already told you God's purpose for His creation. All things (including us) were created for His pleasure. That's why we must strive to please Him as much as we can by serving and obeying Him. And what does God command us to do in Revelation? We have to 'fear God' and 'worship God'; nobody's exempted from this!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 09:53:30 AM
Are you some type of sadist, you come up with some retarded explanation for evil, and then shrug your shoulders and say it's just a game, and them the rules, so suck it up!  So GOD could have struck down Adam Lanza, but rather than show mercy to innocent 5 year old children, he preferred to show mercy to a psychotic mass murderer.  You are a sadist, just like the God you worship.  An omnipotent could devise it so that the potential for evil inherent in free will may be limited by means which do not impinge on that free will. God could accomplish this by making moral actions especially pleasurable, so that they would be irresistible to us; he could also punish immoral actions immediately, and make it obvious that moral rectitude is in our self-interest; or he could allow bad moral decisions to be made, but intervene to prevent the harmful consequences from actually happening.  An omnipotent GOD could easily achieve this!
You fail to grasp the concept of omnipotent and all powerful don't you
 Oh, The Devil, for the devil to exist, he must be more powerful than GOD, for if he wasn't GOD could easily destroy him
 God created humans this way, do you blame Windows 8 for crashing, or do you see the fault with the Programmer.
 Typically of a religious zealot you have reduced life and complex moral decisions to a simple black and white world-view.  Did Jews who were forced by NAZIS to oversee death camps and the murder of their fellow man do the right thing by participating or should they have committed suicide?  Is a woman impregnated by rape committing evil by aborting the pregnancy? I could go on all day about the moral dilemmas humanity faces.  The so called choice between Good and EVIL isn't so black and white as you see it
What a load of bollocks!  If this was the case, the world would be a good place due to people practising Christ like actions, instead we have a world filled with War, famine, greed and poverty, mostly caused by the Religious people by the way!


Man why is there so much crap in your head? My explanation of evil was perfectly sound; if you can't accept it then you're the retarded one. Adam Lanza or whoever was controlling him will be punished by God with great wrath for the evil committed; that's what happens when you do not obey God. If God struck down every evildoer then there would be nobody left on the planet; God is abiding by His own will too so it's up to man to obey God or be punished by Him for sinning. Of course free will is not a game; that was just an EXPRESSION I happened to be using, genius. There may be some tough moral decisions to make but these are rare unlike what you said; most of the time the right choice is clearcut and even for these so-called moral conflicts the answer is apparent after some prayerful meditation. For example, the Jews could have simply refused to work at the concentration camps though they would have suffered for it. How can the devil be more powerful than God when God created him in the first place? The Creator is omnipotent and the creation limited; the devil has already been condemned for all eternity so God has already acted decisively upon this issue of the devil's punishment. God created man GOOD but men had free will and subsequently chose evil so of course they were the ones at fault. Your analogy is specious bullshit because Windows 8 doesn't have free will like man, you disingenuous jackass. Since man has the capacity to choose he is to be held liable for all wrong decisions he (deliberately) makes. That's why you'll be rightly punished for wilfully committing blasphemy against God. As regards the concept of omnipotence there is nobody that has a better grasp thereof than me but you, on the other hand, seem to harbour a flawed notion of it. If you're all-powerful that means your power is absolute and you can do anything (that can be done). Some things are just impossible to be done as I already told you TWICE before (what's wrong with your asinine brain?) like creating a beast so powerful that it cannot be destroyed or making a tree so sturdy that it cannot be chopped down. Only an idiot would think these things are possible to be accomplished but God's power is still limitless so there's no paradox here. The reason why you struggle with these issues is that you need a proper mind to reason them out while you have shit for brains tragically.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Here's a lovely poem.

I asked God to take away my habit.
 God said, No.
 It is not for me to take away, but for you to give it up.

I asked God to make my handicapped child whole.
 God said, No.
 His spirit is whole, his body is only temporary

I asked God to grant me patience.
 God said, No.
 Patience is a byproduct of tribulations;
 it isn't granted, it is learned.

I asked God to give me happiness.
 God said, No.
 I give you blessings; Happiness is up to you.

I asked God to spare me pain.
 God said, No.
 Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares
 and brings you closer to me.

I asked God to make my spirit grow.
 God said, No.
 You must grow on your own! ,
 but I will prune you to make you fruitful.

I asked God for all things that I might enjoy life.
 God said, No.
 I will give you life, so that you may enjoy all things.

I ask God to help me LOVE others, as much as He loves me.
 God said...Ahhhh, finally you have the idea.

THIS DAY IS YOURS DON'T THROW IT AWAY

May God Bless You,
 "To the world you might be one person, but to one
 person you just might be the world"
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: OTHstrong on February 07, 2013, 10:52:35 AM
That's probably the 1st intelligent thing I've heard you say.
lol,  8)

you are an intellectual idiot who will never get it right.let suppose for a while that all followers of all religions turn bad and start supporting gays,child molestation or abortions.what this got to do with religion.holy books stand still on their core those who left behind they will have to join and those who by pass them has to come back.they are core of mankind.every time people lost their way of life they have to come back to the basics.
many times in history the whole nations and societies turn against GOD,s laws.for examples Sodom,s...only Loot was standing still with the core.Abraham one man standing against whole idol worshipers nation.just because they were out numbered make them wrong.

Good post
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 07, 2013, 11:10:13 AM

Man why is there so much crap in your head? My explanation of evil was perfectly sound; if you can't accept it then you're the retarded one. Adam Lanza or whoever was controlling him will be punished by God with great wrath for the evil committed; that's what happens when you do not obey God.
Please tell me again, why GOD sees fit to have innocent 5 year old children brutally murdered, it just isn't making any sense. And your simple belief that "everyone knows what evil is" is utter childlike nonsense, if you really believe that, I pity you as you make your choices in life, as they are obviously poorly thought out and ill considered, what right and wrong is, is incredibly complex, and not something that can be brushed aside by the average religious simpleton.  I think it is this cavalier attitude to right and wrong that sees so called righteous people commit so much evil.  Personally, I believe anyone who participates in say a paedophilia ring like the modern church, and does nothing, or says nothing to prevent it continuing, and doesn't leave the church when they realise the extent of the atrocities and the Churches acceptance of such behaviours, is particularly immoral or evil  I can just hear you and your flock condemning everyone for the things you believe to be wrong and evil all the while being complicit in paedophilia and other atrocities performed by the Church.

You mentioned how I am living in sin because I don't marry.  I think your particular brand of righteous judgement is what is particularly evil, it is the most insidious type of evil, pretending you are somehow better and more moral than other people.  I don't marry, because I am an atheist, I don't believe in marriage, and I certainly don't believe in living in sin.  I feel sorry for anybody who lives in such a black and white world, condemning all people to such a restricted way of life, and you talk about GOD giving you free will, but you must marry, you mustn't blaspheme, you mustn't steal, you mustn't murder and on and on it goes, when obviously their is a time and place for everything.  

Personally, I see religious people, and their insistence on believing in what essentially amounts to LIES and propaganda as immoral human beings, this would be OK if they kept to themselves, but they then go onto force their morality onto other human beings, which in itself could be considered an immoral act.  And when you consider Countries like America are predominantly religious and yet the greatest terrorist nation on earth, it gives you an insight into the religious mindset.  the greatest EVIL always disguises itself as GOOD.  Religion most definitely disguises itself as GOOD, it hides it's evil behind a façade of Goodness, this type of evil is far more odious and insidious than the Evil that openly admits to being EVIL.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Man of Steel on February 07, 2013, 11:20:36 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAWWW!!!

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Teutonic Knight on February 07, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
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So   ::), gun (let's say UZI) was invented a few 1000's years ago  ;D ;D ;D.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 05:50:41 PM
Please tell me again, why GOD sees fit to have innocent 5 year old children brutally murdered, it just isn't making any sense. And your simple belief that "everyone knows what evil is" is utter childlike nonsense, if you really believe that, I pity you as you make your choices in life, as they are obviously poorly thought out and ill considered, what right and wrong is, is incredibly complex, and not something that can be brushed aside by the average religious simpleton.  I think it is this cavalier attitude to right and wrong that sees so called righteous people commit so much evil.  Personally, I believe anyone who participates in say a paedophilia ring like the modern church, and does nothing, or says nothing to prevent it continuing, and doesn't leave the church when they realise the extent of the atrocities and the Churches acceptance of such behaviours, is particularly immoral or evil  I can just hear you and your flock condemning everyone for the things you believe to be wrong and evil all the while being complicit in paedophilia and other atrocities performed by the Church.

You mentioned how I am living in sin because I don't marry.  I think your particular brand of righteous judgement is what is particularly evil, it is the most insidious type of evil, pretending you are somehow better and more moral than other people.  I don't marry, because I am an atheist, I don't believe in marriage, and I certainly don't believe in living in sin.  I feel sorry for anybody who lives in such a black and white world, condemning all people to such a restricted way of life, and you talk about GOD giving you free will, but you must marry, you mustn't blaspheme, you mustn't steal, you mustn't murder and on and on it goes, when obviously their is a time and place for everything.  

Personally, I see religious people, and their insistence on believing in what essentially amounts to LIES and propaganda as immoral human beings, this would be OK if they kept to themselves, but they then go onto force their morality onto other human beings, which in itself could be considered an immoral act.  And when you consider Countries like America are predominantly religious and yet the greatest terrorist nation on earth, it gives you an insight into the religious mindset.  the greatest EVIL always disguises itself as GOOD.  Religion most definitely disguises itself as GOOD, it hides it's evil behind a façade of Goodness, this type of evil is far more odious and insidious than the Evil that openly admits to being EVIL.

Again, your brain is crying out for some serious cleansing of all the sewage lodged inside. Righteous judgement is what it is, good and not evil! Countries like America are NOT predominantly religious! Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a Muslim and supports the Islamic cause while claiming to be a Christian! Church attendances are pathetic; America is a land of atheists and infidels not true Christians! Some so-called religious fellows may use their religion as a facade to veil their evil but that doesn't mean everyone involved in religion is rotten. All religions are false anyway except for God's true religion. And what's wrong with righteous judgment? Others might be better than you, you know, especially if you are a piece of shit like yourself but I was merely rebuking you, not judging you. And the Catholic Church is not part of the true Christian church because the Catholic Church is the perpetrator of the bigest abominations. Don't blame the true Christians for the sins of the imposters; you are so ignorant it's outright pathetic. Yes, God gave you free will but He wants you exercise that free will appropriately and in accordance with His laws. If you choose evil then prepare to pay the penalty. Lastly, God didn't see fit to have little kids murdered; Adam Lanza or whoever was behind him did. God loves the little children but the bastards who executed the murders clearly do not believe in sticking to God's commandments. That's their fault not God's so apportion the blame properly next time.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 07, 2013, 06:07:26 PM
Again, your brain is crying out for some serious cleansing of all the sewage lodged inside. Righteous judgement is what it is, good and not evil! Countries like America are NOT predominantly religious!
The majority of Americans (73%) identify themselves as Christians, other religions (including, for example, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism) collectively make up about 4% of the adult population, another 15% of the adult population claim no religious affiliation, and 5.2% said they did not know, or they refused to reply.   .  Either you are wilfully ignorant or just a plain idiot.

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Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a Muslim and supports the Islamic cause while claiming to be a Christian!

Oh Brother, another religious conspiracy NUT!

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Church attendances are pathetic;
36 percent of Americans state that they attend services nearly every week or more

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America is a land of atheists and infidels not true Christians!
15% of Americans identify as atheists

Some so-called religious fellows may use their religion as a facade to veil their evil but that doesn't mean everyone involved in religion is rotten. All religions are false anyway except for God's true religion.

 
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And what's wrong with righteous judgment?
Nothing if your not religious, but Jesus teaches people to not judge, thank God as an atheist I am not bound to that you pedohile supporting, evil deluded granny fucka

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 Others might be better than you,
Being better doesn't mean to scorn and judge those who are lesser, this would be the characteristic of an arrogant arsehole, just saying.

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 you know, especially if you are a piece of shit like yourself but I was merely rebuking you, not judging you.
 Thanks, You certainly are a fine example of a Christian

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 And the Catholic Church is not part of the true Christian church because the Catholic Church is the perpetrator of the bigest abominations. Don't blame the true Christians for the sins of the imposters; you are so ignorant it's outright pathetic. Yes, God gave you free will but He wants you exercise that free will appropriately and in accordance with His laws. If you choose evil then prepare to pay the penalty. Lastly, God didn't see fit to have little kids murdered; Adam Lanza or whoever was behind him did. God loves the little children but the bastards who executed the murders clearly do not believe in sticking to God's commandments. That's their fault not God's so apportion the blame properly next time.
Oh well, that's alright then! I feel a lot better now about hearing about masses of children being brutally murdered,  Just as long as God loves the children, who cares about that other stuff anyway, right!  And how do you explain those who commit evil and never pay the penalty, is this were you mention HELL! Oh No, this could open up another ridiculous can of nonsesnse worms.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 07, 2013, 06:27:50 PM
The majority of Americans (73%) identify themselves as Christians, other religions (including, for example, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism) collectively make up about 4% of the adult population, another 15% of the adult population claim no religious affiliation, and 5.2% said they did not know, or they refused to reply.   .  Either you are wilfully ignorant or just a plain idiot.
 
Oh Brother, another religious conspiracy NUT!
 36 percent of Americans state that they attend services nearly every week or more
 15% of Americans identify as atheists

Some so-called religious fellows may use their religion as a facade to veil their evil but that doesn't mean everyone involved in religion is rotten. All religions are false anyway except for God's true religion.

  Nothing if your not religious, but Jesus teaches people to not judge, thank God as an atheist I am not bound to that you pedohile supporting, evil deluded granny fucka
 Being better doesn't mean to scorn and judge those who are lesser, this would be the characteristic of an arrogant arsehole, just saying.
  Thanks, You certainly are a fine example of a Christian
 Oh well, that's alright then! I feel a lot better now about hearing about masses of children being brutally murdered,  Just as long as God loves the children, who cares about that other stuff anyway, right!  And how do you explain those who commit evil and never pay the penalty, is this were you mention HELL! Oh No, this could open up another ridiculous can of nonsesnse worms.


Your stats are wrong, you dirty fellow. The only idiot here is the one called 'E-Kul' who talks that shit about grannies; don't try to put the blame for that perverted trash on me when I was the one who called you out on your filthiness, you treacherous lying scumbag. It doesn't matter how many identify themselves as being Christians; it's the TRUE Christians that count. And how does revealing the truth make you a religious conspiracy nut? As for Jesus, His commands are for you to follow too. And it's not as if school shootings happen all the time; the Lanza incident was an isolated case and God will take care of both the murderers and the children. If you don't like to see crimes happening, all the more you should be a devoted Christian and serve God so as to please Him and have your prayers heard. And the Lord will plentifully reward the evildoer. That's why the lake of fire was created; as you can see the punishment for infidels like you and the fallen angels is dreadful indeed. Unless you repent of your sins and turn to God you will be tormented for all eternity therein, known for all eternity as a condemned loser.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 08, 2013, 03:20:06 AM
And that is an moronic oxymoron
^^^ This pretty much just seems like jibberish, bur essentially, if you do not understand that by being part of a group well known for historical atrocities and still continuing to behave in an evil and immoral way by molesting children and covering it up, if you willingly support this group, and do nothing to eradicate it or stand against it, you are complicit in this behaviour.  It is not good enough to put it down to bad seeds, the rest of the group must eradicate it or be painted with the same brush.  The Church has had decades to deal with the issue, and not only have they not dealt with the issue, it has gotten worse,  The Church and it's members have sponsored paedophilia and by the members inaction and denial of such atrocities are complicit in the unnecessary suffering of many young children.

As it stands now the majority of people stand against God's laws, the majority of them Religious by the way, and what has God done, NOTHING.  As a matter of fact the majority of the World's evil has been inflicted by the Religious and in God's name.  The only way to make the world a better place, is to eradicate religion for eternity!  If Religion and God ensured peace and harmony, it would have happened a long time ago, considering humanity has always been predominately Religious and so called God fearing.  Atheism is the way forward, time will prove me correct.
you not getting the point.you are throwing crap on religion by judging it through its followers.i have to admit that majority of religious followers following religion for all wrong reasons.that is why GOD kept sending teachers after teachers to show them the true spirit of religion.the jews who were shouting on the top of their lunges to crucify Jesus was the one who thought they were doing a great duty to GOD.Moses went to Mountain for only forty days and whole nation start worshiping golden calf thinking they doing great favor to GOD.   imagine these people saw all Maricela with their own eyes but could not stick with the core for 40 days even the prophet was living among them.that is the reason i dont blame people like you for being lost.these rather anti religious practices in the name of GOD give people like u a chance to bash religion and push atheism or gayism as a substitute of religion.you be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Tito24 on February 08, 2013, 03:42:14 AM
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Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 03:45:15 AM
i dont blame people like you for being lost.
I blame people like you for being lost, you know better!  rather than participate in what's right, your support enables the largest paedophilia network on the planet.  Shame on you!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: True Amateur on February 08, 2013, 05:01:48 AM
I blame people like you for being lost, you know better!  rather than participate in what's right, your support enables the largest paedophilia network on the planet.  Shame on you!
When a known homosexual like yourself starts whining and crying about God's Law, us Christians just smile and shake our heads.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 05:12:00 AM
When a known homosexual like yourself starts whining and crying about God's Law, us Christians just smile and shake our heads.
Again with the gay stuff, every post I see you make has a homosexual reference, are you sure you don't want to tell us something?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 07:33:29 AM
Again with the gay stuff, every post I see you make has a homosexual reference, are you sure you don't want to tell us something?

E-Kul, you f a g g ot, you should change your avatar quote because you have about as much science as Dikembe Mutombo has white in his blood. If you knew about you would understand that science backs up God and the Bible perfectly.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Rajkapoor on February 08, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
I blame people like you for being lost, you know better!  rather than participate in what's right, your support enables the largest paedophilia network on the planet.  Shame on you!
i wasted two posts on you and you still stuck where we started.sorry i said you are an intellectual idiot.i am taking word intellectual back.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 11:29:23 AM
One only has to peruse your past posts and see the sheer number of photos of nude men-some engaged in acts of homosexuality- as well as written homosexual references. You are trying to play gutter games with a Christian. You are homosexual and pathetic. Please don't take it personally if I don't respond to you.
Again with the gay stuff, every post I see you make has a homosexual reference, and now you are going through my profile looking for homosexual material.   Please, please just come out of the closet.  I have nothing against gay men, so it's all good.  I am 100% serious dude, heterosexual men just don't behave like this.  You know it's ok to throw the word GAY around here or there, but dude, you are obsessed with homosexuality.  You are a classic homophobe that is in the grips of repressed homosexuality, and your not the only getbigger, their are others who behave in much the same way.  The only time I deal with this topic is after some repressed homosexual aggressively stalks my posts and replies with post after post constantly making homosexual references.  Please, please just come out of the closet.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM
you would understand that science backs up God and the Bible perfectly.

lol
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: jodsy on February 08, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
where the fuck have all these religous nuts come from......
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: dario73 on February 08, 2013, 11:36:56 AM
lol

Tell us how science eliminates the possibility that God exists.

Explaining how something works doesn't exclude a creator.

Oh, lets listen to the preeminent godfather of atheism turned believer:
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: dario73 on February 08, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
where the fuck have all these religous nuts come from......

From the same place all atheists came from.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: dario73 on February 08, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 11:56:19 AM
Again with the gay stuff, every post I see you make has a homosexual reference, and now you are going through my profile looking for homosexual material.   Please, please just come out of the closet.  I have nothing against gay men, so it's all good.  I am 100% serious dude, heterosexual men just don't behave like this.  You know it's ok to throw the word GAY around here or there, but dude, you are obsessed with homosexuality.  You are a classic homophobe that is in the grips of repressed homosexuality, and your not the only getbigger, their are others who behave in much the same way.  The only time I deal with this topic is after some repressed homosexual aggressively stalks my posts and replies with post after post constantly making homosexual references.  Please, please just come out of the closet.

He keeps talking about homosexuality only because he is talking about you and how he sees you are a homosexual. That makes you the homosexual not him. Don't try to fuck around here with long posts because I can see through all the bullshit you type.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 11:58:50 AM
If you knew about you would understand that science backs up God and the Bible perfectly.


What a World renowned scientist thinks!
and below that
What random anonymous Religious Nut thinks about that!

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 12:05:35 PM
What a World renowned scientist thinks!
and below that
What random anonymous Religious Nut thinks about that!



What you conveniently leave out is that this scientist is A MERE MAN whereas I'm following the true WORD OF GOD. What kind of numskull would choose the word of A LITTLE MAN over the word of THE INFINITE GOD? That's a DEITY, for heaven's sake, THE DEITY in fact! 'This is the only true God and eternal life.' If God said it shouldn't you be paying very close attention? Without God the Creator there would not be a Stephen Hawking.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 12:08:55 PM
lol

I gave you an article, didn't I, proving my point that science is in total agreement with the Bible? Why don't you go read it?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: jodsy on February 08, 2013, 12:10:56 PM
From the same place all atheists came from.
type 1a supernova?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Robert Zuver on February 08, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Poster is a homosexual, closeted or otherwise, and feels nervous around discussions of God's Laws, which he secretly believes and dreads. If he didn't believe in God's Laws, he wouldn't be so adamantly committed to refuting them. The fear and terror some of these Godless types exhibit around discussion of The Bible is telling.

GOD BLESS YOU ALL
Even though's who know not what they speak.
RZ
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: disco_stu on February 08, 2013, 12:15:13 PM
Man the ignorance is great with you.  Calm down!  What you have listed is called the fruit of the Sprite.  Do you know why Jesus came to Earth? If you are an Atheist why would you care what another person does?  Is it that you know there is something greater than you, but want to rationalize you life?

being an athiest doesnt mean that you dont have morals and ethics.

it means that u have your own brain and can determine what those are by yourself- without it being prescribed for you.

people who are religious are no different to any other mob of half wits who all believe the same thing.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 12:15:21 PM
He keeps talking about homosexuality only because he is talking about you and how he sees you are a homosexual. That makes you the homosexual not him. Don't try to fuck around here with long posts because I can see through all the bullshit you type.
Jon if I was homosexual, I would willingly admit too this.  I do not hate gays, I don't have anything against the gay community,  if you study psychology, you will learn that a classic technique of repressed homosexuals is too accuse other people of being gay.  Now to suggest someone else is gay in the way that I am is not the same, it is merely pointing out to someone who constantly initiates homosexual accusation towards others that it may be the sign of some latent homosexual feelings, not that their is anything wrong with that.  I have had friends in the past go through this, and it can be both painful and comical to watch.  You may ask, Why would someone do such a thing?, because they are disturbed by their own latent homosexuality, they have unconscious gay desires but because they hold homosexuality in such contempt, they project in onto others.

If Security1 didn't resent his unconscious gay desires so much, he wouldn't feel the need to project them onto others as veiled insults, he would also see that by projecting it onto others and labelling them homosexual isn't an insult to someone who is accepting of homosexuality and doesn't see homosexuality as some type of abnormality or abomination .  His constant accusations that I am gay are the equivalent of him calling me a raging heterosexual.  because I have no hang-ups about sexuality it doesn't bother me, whereas if someone had homosexual desires but felt they were wrong or perverse, he would feel uncomfortable and in an attempt to deal with such feelings label other people as homosexual.  I don't pretend that you will understand the basic psychology behind Homosexual repression, as you so far have failed to understand even the most basic Physics concepts.  But no one can say I don't try and help the lesser amongst us.  Your welcome.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 12:22:58 PM
What you conveniently leave out is that this scientist is A MERE MAN whereas I'm following the true WORD OF GOD. What kind of numskull would choose the word of A LITTLE MAN over the word of THE INFINITE GOD? That's a DEITY, for heaven's sake, THE DEITY in fact! 'This is the only true God and eternal life.' If God said it shouldn't you be paying very close attention? Without God the Creator there would not be a Stephen Hawking.
Your not following GOD, if your evil ramblings and psychotic rants are following the word of GOD, then the WORD of GOD you supposedly follow is deeply flawed,  You are a failed Christian and further from Christ like behaviour than any atheist I have ever met, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: disco_stu on February 08, 2013, 12:23:07 PM
I gave you an article, didn't I, proving my point that science is in total agreement with the Bible? Why don't you go read it?

rofl.

you are brain washed.. creationism and evolution- for a start, dont agree. thats an easy one to go look up.

the same technology that is used to solve murders and power cities - which religious people dont have a problem with- is used to prove that we werent created. (im referring to radioactivity)..yet on one hand you'll take the crimes solved and the electricity, but not accept carbon dating...

religion is for the dumb asses. if it made sense then everyone would believe in it.

ever wondered why there is a divide? ever noticed how some people are smarter than others?

can u imagine if we locked people up based on hearsay and not fact?- the bible is just that- hearsay. i know a guy who is friends with a dude that saw you sexually assault that 5 year old. His whole community agree with him. Word got around and now everyone believes it. So you get locked up and ass pounded in jail. That's how religion works.

dont thank me..i know you wont get it.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: OTHstrong on February 08, 2013, 12:23:36 PM
The funny thing is the great hawkings admit he does not know for certain. He does not claim for 100% certain there is no God, he says the simplest explanation is that there is no God and that it is his opinion and then he says ''probably'' no heaven, what ''probably''?

OK So Hawkins admits he can not know for certain but yet the mighty EKUL from getbig KNOWS for certain 100% right?  ???

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 12:26:50 PM
being an athiest doesnt mean that you dont have morals and ethics.

it means that u have your own brain and can determine what those are by yourself- without it being prescribed for you.

people who are religious are no different to any other mob of half wits who all believe the same thing.

I agree, Just to follow on Disco Stu with some quotes from famous thinkers, they also had to deal with these foul religous evildoers because they also sensed that religious people and religion in general is Immoral by design.
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Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

--Andy Thomson


“The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance and even our very existence depend on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life.

To make this a living force and bring it to clear consciousness is perhaps the foremost task of education.

The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action.”

Albert Einstein - Famous Atheist

If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?

Albert Einstein - Famous Atheist
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
I agree, Just to follow on Disco Stu with some quotes from famous thinkers, they also had to deal with these foul religous evildoers because they also sensed that religious people and religion in general is Immoral by design.
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Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

--Andy Thomson


“The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance and even our very existence depend on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life.

To make this a living force and bring it to clear consciousness is perhaps the foremost task of education.

The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action.”

Albert Einstein - Famous Atheist

If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?

Albert Einstein - Famous Atheist

Einstein, the famous FOOL, was just talking more trash here. God, while omnipotent, gave men free will and so they are free moral agents. Whatever they do is their choice and does not reflect on God unless of course God inspires them to do good.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 12:36:17 PM
The funny thing is the great hawkings admit he does not know for certain. He does not claim for 100% certain there is no God, he says the simplest explanation is that there is no God and that it is his opinion and then he says ''probably'' no heaven, what ''probably''?

OK So Hawkins admits he can not know for certain but yet the mighty EKUL from getbig KNOWS for certain 100% right?  ???


Not at all, I am an agnostic, I don't believe the truth or (god for that matter) can be known.  I just like to present alternate arguments to those who believe with a 100% certainty that their is a GOD.  This is my whole argument, because theists cannot acknowledge that they don't know, they trap themselves into a limited way of looking at the universe.  Their may well be a GOD, I don't think it would be the GOD of the bible, it may be something more metaphysical than that, but the jury is still out, unfortunately the Theists are just too arrogant to see this.  I simply way up the evidence based on reasoning and logic, and unfortunately for the Theists, they lose in this department, science just simply presents better arguments that are more intellectually satisfying.

If someone tried explaining to me the science behind aeronautic theory and I understood it enough to see it's validity, but not quite enough to say research in the field, When I ask why a plane can fly, who do you think I am going to believe, the scientist who can sufficiently explain it too me in an intellectually satisfying way or some ignoramus who claims it happens due to magic.  If I was never exposed to the science, I might go with the guy who claimed it was magic.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Einstein, the famous FOOL, was just talking more trash here. God, while omnipotent, gave men free will and so they are free moral agents. Whatever they do is their choice and does not reflect on God unless of course God inspires them to do good.
Now I know you are more than likely technically an idiot with quite possibly a below average IQ.  Smart people are able to recognise other smart people, it's all part of being smart.  When a person claims that known geniuses are fools, you know you are dealing with a fool.  You have been an entertaining fool until now.  But it would be foolish of me to continue a discourse with you now that I have fully confirmed over lengthy debate your inability to grasp anything more intellectual than elementary school mathematics. 
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:07:03 PM
Now I know you are more than likely technically an idiot with quite possibly a below average IQ.  Smart people are able to recognise other smart people, it's all part of being smart.  When a person claims that known geniuses are fools, you know you are dealing with a fool.  You have been an entertaining fool until now.  But it would be foolish of me to continue a discourse with you now that I have fully confirmed over lengthy debate your inability to grasp anything more intellectual than elementary school mathematics. 

Shut the fuck up, gimmick. You're a fuckin' moron and treacherous snake to boot so you have no right to speak! I said Einstein was a fool which means he was a fool. Smart people are able to recognize other smart people yes but they are also able to recognize fools. The infinitely intelligent and wise God who knows all declares that all who don't believe in HIm are FOOLS so what the fuck is a little man like Einstein compared to the great God? Instead of idolizing DEAD FLAWED HUMANS follow their CREATOR who is THE IMMORTAL GOD. And I didn't need lengthy debate to prove that you were a blockhead as it was all too apparent to me from the get go. Why the fuck are you so dumb and disingenuous, I wonder? I didn't think people could actually be that dumb but it seems I was very wrong.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grader, more subtle, more elegant”? Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

--Carl Sagan
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grader, more subtle, more elegant”? Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

--Carl Sagan

Whenever did the prophets restrict the size of the universe? On the contrary they revealed new worlds such as heaven and hell. Instead of looking at what famous atheists (fools) have to say why not study the material of some famous Christians (saints)?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 02:36:07 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
:-*

More generic bullshit from famous fools. Maybe I should just leave you alone to play, troll. ::)
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
 :P
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
:P

That can't be too wrong.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/satanism_in_the_vatican.htm
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: paradoxno1 on February 08, 2013, 02:44:44 PM
I think the Bible is totally unrealistic. I mean, a Jew giving away free fish and bread?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:45:48 PM
Your not following GOD, if your evil ramblings and psychotic rants are following the word of GOD, then the WORD of GOD you supposedly follow is deeply flawed,  You are a failed Christian and further from Christ like behaviour than any atheist I have ever met, and that's saying something.

Of course I'm following God but I'm not perfect either. However my words are not evil or psychotic as you fully deserve to be fucked up; the evil and psychotic one is you (and the other godless clowns here).
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 02:48:13 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:49:01 PM
Jon if I was homosexual, I would willingly admit too this.  I do not hate gays, I don't have anything against the gay community,  if you study psychology, you will learn that a classic technique of repressed homosexuals is too accuse other people of being gay.  Now to suggest someone else is gay in the way that I am is not the same, it is merely pointing out to someone who constantly initiates homosexual accusation towards others that it may be the sign of some latent homosexual feelings, not that their is anything wrong with that.  I have had friends in the past go through this, and it can be both painful and comical to watch.  You may ask, Why would someone do such a thing?, because they are disturbed by their own latent homosexuality, they have unconscious gay desires but because they hold homosexuality in such contempt, they project in onto others.

If Security1 didn't resent his unconscious gay desires so much, he wouldn't feel the need to project them onto others as veiled insults, he would also see that by projecting it onto others and labelling them homosexual isn't an insult to someone who is accepting of homosexuality and doesn't see homosexuality as some type of abnormality or abomination .  His constant accusations that I am gay are the equivalent of him calling me a raging heterosexual.  because I have no hang-ups about sexuality it doesn't bother me, whereas if someone had homosexual desires but felt they were wrong or perverse, he would feel uncomfortable and in an attempt to deal with such feelings label other people as homosexual.  I don't pretend that you will understand the basic psychology behind Homosexual repression, as you so far have failed to understand even the most basic Physics concepts.  But no one can say I don't try and help the lesser amongst us.  Your welcome.

Bullshit. Your post is full of nonsensical assumptions and I think you're most likely either a f a g g o t or bi. And you're the one who misinterprets simple and basic Physics concepts or deliberately twists them to suit his garbage argument. Try again, homo.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:53:52 PM
:o

Hahahaha, even an ape has more brains than you. With faith comes obedience, jackass. The 10 Commandments always applied regardless of when they were delivered; God's law never changes. And of course God has the ultimate authority to give or take life since all life stems from Him.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
;D

I don't think simpletons love God otherwise you would love Him and that's manifestly not the case! ;D
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 03:02:26 PM
 ???
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
???

What an idiot. He learnt to think shit!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 03:12:25 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Teutonic Knight on February 08, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
I think the Bible is totally unrealistic. I mean, a Jew giving away free fish and bread?


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
;D

Christianity is the true religion while Islam is yet another false religion like atheism.

'The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.'
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 03:40:56 PM
rofl.

you are brain washed.. creationism and evolution- for a start, dont agree. thats an easy one to go look up.

the same technology that is used to solve murders and power cities - which religious people dont have a problem with- is used to prove that we werent created. (im referring to radioactivity)..yet on one hand you'll take the crimes solved and the electricity, but not accept carbon dating...

religion is for the dumb asses. if it made sense then everyone would believe in it.

ever wondered why there is a divide? ever noticed how some people are smarter than others?

can u imagine if we locked people up based on hearsay and not fact?- the bible is just that- hearsay. i know a guy who is friends with a dude that saw you sexually assault that 5 year old. His whole community agree with him. Word got around and now everyone believes it. So you get locked up and ass pounded in jail. That's how religion works.

dont thank me..i know you wont get it.

You don't get it, do you? You're a deluded piece of shit who won't even believe His own Creator! There is no proof to show that we weren't created. You're just talking out of your ass and carbon dating isn't even reliable anyway. It's a fuckin' joke just like you, you godless clown. Hearsay is hearsay and the word of God is true. That's it because God said so and God only speaks truth. If religion were for the dumbasses then it would be right up your alley but it's not. And you need to get your facts straight; evolution is NOT science but just a FAILED theory. In other words that's plain bullshit you're believing in instead of scientific fact. Besides God's word directly rebutts the popular myth of evolution and shows it to be utterly false. Go back and try again, punk. You're probably a paid troll for all I know. ::)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
;)

Sigh, since God is infinitely higher than us than how on earth can we hope to touch Him? It's like the characters in a book trying to reach out to their author and his world. Of course it's impossible because they're stuck in the world of that book. The Creator exists above and apart from His creation. Anyway all things (of creation) testify to God's existence and power for He made them. How can we hope to see God when we are physical beings and God is not? God is Spirit. Nothing is what God made you from.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
Sigh, since God is infinitely higher than us than how on earth can we hope to touch Him? It's like the characters in a book trying to reach out to their author and his world. Of course it's impossible because they're stuck in the world of that book. The Creator exists above and apart from His creation. Anyway all things (of creation) testify to God's existence and power. How can we hope to see God when we are physical beings and God is not? God is Spirit.
THAT'S SURPRISINGLY CONVENIENT!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
THAT'S SURPRISINGLY CONVENIENT!

It's not convenient, it's the truth. What else do you want?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 04:01:34 PM
It's not convenient, it's the truth. What else do you want?
What I posted was the truth, what you wrote was the nonsense ramblings of a man on the edge.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:03:09 PM
What I posted was the truth, what you wrote was the nonsense ramblings of a man on the edge.

No, what you posted was bullshit and what I wrote was the truth. Don't spout random bullshit about me when I merely spoke facts. Go and reread the facts I wrote and ACCEPT them. I wrote the facts lucidly and used sound and simple analogies to illustrate my pints so don't be an ass and pretend you didn't understand me. I think you know that God is true but are just being a dickhead. Well, prepare to be thrown into hellfire then. Giddy up, cowboy! ;D
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 04:11:26 PM
No, what you posted was bullshit and what I wrote was the truth. Don't spout random bullshit about me when I merely spoke facts. Go and reread the facts I wrote and ACCEPT them.
I just reread what you have written, and I think your divine truth is starting to rub off on me, I feel the presence of the LORD rumbling from deep within, I can feel his power and magnificence.  Oh my Lord, GOD has just touched me in the most powerful of ways.  You are right Jon, thank-you so much for sharing your teachings about GOD, I have seen the light and will be ETERNALLY grateful for you directing me towards the LORD.  Who would have thought that a Getbigger gimmick would put me in touch with the divine spirit, and all I had to do was pretend everything you said was the TRUTH.  

Thanks again Jon, I believe you were sent by Christ to turn me in the direction of the LORD.  GOD is great, praise the all mighty, I will pray for you Jon, you evangelistic angelic son of the lord.  I am off to spread the word of the gospel and bash them metaphorically over thei head with my new find appreciation of the TRUTH.  Thanks again JON, you truly are heaven sent.  I am being serious, you have opened my eyes with your aggressive insults and incoherent rants and your determination to remain so wilfully ignorant in the face of evidence to the contrary was the determining factor in swaying me to the LORD.  God bless you child.  Don't ever stop being you, the rewards in heaven shall be great for you.  Jon you are my guardian Angel.  GOD BLESS
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:13:49 PM
I just reread what you have written, and I think your divine truth is starting to rub off on me, I feel the presence of the LORD rumbling from deep within, I can feel his power and magnificence.  Oh my Lord, GOD has just touched me in the most powerful of ways.  You are right Jon, thank-you so much for sharing your teachings about GOD, I have seen the light and will be ETERNALLY grateful for directing me towards the LORD.  Who would have thought that a Getbigger gimmick would put me in touch with the divine spirit, and all I had to do was pretend everything you said was the TRUTH.  

Thanks again Jon, I believe you were sent by Christ to turn me in the direction of the LORD.  GOD is great, praise the all mighty, I will pray for you Jon, you evangelistic angelic son of the lord.  I am off to spread the word of the gospel and bash them metaphorically over thei head with my new find appreciation of the TRUTH.  Thanks again JON, you truly are heaven sent.  I am being serious, you have opened my eyes with your aggressive insults and incoherent rants and your determination to remain so wilfully ignorant in the face of evidence to the contrary was the determining factor in swaying me to the LORD.  God bless you child.  Don't ever stop being you, the rewards in heaven shall be great for you.  Jon you are my guardian Angel.  GOD BLESS

What 'evidence to the contrary'? You've got no discernible evidence whatsoever because I tore down all the bullshit 'evidence' and nonsensical claims you posted. On the other hand all the REAL evidence attests the veracity of God's word and the reality of His existence (and reign).
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
What 'evidence to the contrary'? You've got no discernible evidence whatsoever because I tore down all the bullshit 'evidence' and nonsensical claims you posted. On the other hand all the REAL evidence attests the veracity of God's word and the reality of His existence (and reign).
JON, I am saying you are right, GOD IS GREAT and ALL MIGHTY, you have proven, it doesn't matter what is true or real, just what you want to be true and real.  And having a GOD in my life now is all that matters, he is true and real to me.  Thank you Jon, I am glad we can  be brothers in Christ now and walk together with GOD in our hearts.  I understand now, any evidence that suggests GOD isn't real, we can just simply claim it is the opposite and tell others it is actually evidence of a GOD and not the other way around.  I am looking forward to embracing GOD, because with GOD on your side, you can make any claim you like, even if you don't have proof.  Talk about a powerful GOD.  Thank you again Jon, your Truth has awoken me.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:23:48 PM
JON, I am saying you are right, GOD IS GREAT and ALL MIGHTY, you have proven, it doesn't matter what is true or real, just what you want to be true and real.  And having a GOD in my life now is all that matters, he is true and real to me.  Thank you Jon, I am glad we can  be brothers in Christ now and walk together with GOD in our hearts.  I understand now, any evidence that suggests GOD isn't real, we can just simply claim it is the opposite and tell others it is actually evidence of a GOD and not the other way around.  I am looking forward to embracing GOD, because with GOD on your side, you can make any claim you like, even if you don't have proof.  Talk about a powerful GOD.  Thank you again Jon, your Truth has awoken me.

Of course I've got proof; what do you think I've been typing to you all along? And there's no evidence that suggests God isn't real while there's no shortage of concrete proof that God's real. Stop spinning bullshit, kid. It isn't going to work with me. Of course it matters what's true and real; why do you think we worship God and aren't foolish atheists?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
Of course I've got proof; what do you think I've been typing to you all along? And there's no evidence that suggests God isn't real while there's no shortage of concrete proof that God's real. Stop spinning bullshit, kid. It isn't going to work with me. Of course it matters what's true and real; why do you think we worship God and aren't foolish atheists?
None of that matters Jon, of course GOD is real, we don't need Proof, because GOD is beyond all that.  You and I know this, so don't sweat it new-found Brother in Christ.  Even if it isn't true and real, it is true and real enough for us, right brother.  I will now also worship GOD alongside you brother, Thanks for showing me the way.  Can I get an AMEN!  You should be grateful that you have opened another's heart to the almighty Christ and GOD.  You will surely be rewarded in heaven.  I will pray for you Jon, I will pray that you find peace and some comfort for your raging and restless spirit.  rest now my brother, for you have accomplished much in the name of the LORD on this fine GOD given day.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:42:58 PM
None of that matters Jon, of course GOD is real, we don't need Proof, because GOD is beyond all that.  You and I know this, so don't sweat it new-found Brother in Christ.  Even if it isn't true and real, it is true and real enough for us, right brother.  I will now also worship GOD alongside you brother, Thanks for showing me the way.  Can I get an AMEN!  You should be grateful that you have opened another's heart to the almighty Christ and GOD.  You will surely be rewarded in heaven.  I will pray for you Jon, I will pray that you find peace and some comfort for your raging and restless spirit.  rest now my brother, for you have accomplished much in the name of the LORD on this fine GOD given day.

Well, God IS beyond all that but we don't want to have a blind faith so it's good to have proof. And as I said there's no shortage of proof attesting God's truth. Below is some so please read unbiasedly.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/science_is_always_behind_the%20Bible.htm
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:48:37 PM
“As a blind man has no idea of colors, so we have no idea of the manner by which the all-wise God perceives and understands all things.” — Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 08, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
Well, God IS beyond all that but we don't want to have a blind faith so it's good to have proof. And as I said there's no shortage of proof attesting God's truth. Below is some so please read unbiasedly.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/science_is_always_behind_the%20Bible.htm
That link sure does explain a lot! A real lot.  AMEN
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
That link sure does explain a lot! A real lot.  AMEN

Great then. LOL. What more do you want? Well then, here are all the answers you need. Enjoy...

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Palpatine Q on February 08, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
wow, with these two morons going at it, ^^^^^^^^^    the stupidity level is likely to tear a hole in the space-time continuum
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 05:07:44 PM
wow, with these two morons going at it, ^^^^^^^^^    the stupidity level is likely to tear a hole in the space-time continuum

Look who's talking. ::)
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Palpatine Q on February 08, 2013, 05:20:56 PM
I believe in God

I don't believe inGod

well you're stupid

no, you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

compelling  ::)
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
I believe in God

I don't believe inGod

well you're stupid

no, you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

no you're stupid

compelling  ::)

I doubt you're a Christian which means you're the dunce.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: gee38 on February 08, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
jon

did god invent blind people?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 05:34:53 PM
jon

did god invent blind people?

Go read the Scriptures for a start.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: gee38 on February 08, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
answer the question

did god invent blind people


you cant answer can you
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
answer the question

did god invent blind people


you cant answer can you

All people, including blind ones, were obviously created. And don't try to shirk reading the Scriptures, I tell you.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: gee38 on February 08, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
so why did god choose to make some people handicapped?

bit cruel surely
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: AbrahamG on February 08, 2013, 07:10:58 PM

If you said that to my face I would beat you into a pulp

Fuck the bible, asshole.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 07:20:59 PM
Fuck the bible, asshole.

Fuck you, you filthy swine. Don't curse the Bible, dipshit.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
so why did god choose to make some people handicapped?

bit cruel surely

Question: "Why does God allow birth defects?"
 
Answer: The ultimate answer to this difficult question is that when Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis chapter 3), they brought evil, sickness, disease, and death into the world. Sin has been wreaking havoc on the human race ever since. Birth defects occur because of sin...not because of sins the parents or the baby have committed, but because of sin itself. The hard part of the question is why God allows people to be born with terrible birth defects and/or deformities. Why doesn't God prevent birth defects from occurring?
 
The book of Job deals with the issue of not understanding why God allows certain things to occur. God had allowed Satan to do everything he wanted to Job except kill him. What was Job’s reaction? “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him” (Job 13:15). “The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised” (Job 1:21). Job didn’t understand why God had allowed the things He did, but he knew that God was good and therefore continued to trust in Him. Ultimately, that should be our reaction as well. God is good, just, loving, and merciful. Often things happen to us that we simply cannot understand. However, instead of doubting God's goodness, our reaction should be to trust Him. "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight" (Proverbs 3:5-6).
 
Ultimately, the answer to this question has to be “I don’t know.” We will never be able to fully understand God and His ways. It is wrong for us to question why God allows something to occur. We simply have to trust that He is loving, good, and merciful – just like Job did – even when the evidence seems to indicate the opposite. Sickness and disease are the result of sin. God provided the “cure” for sin in sending Jesus Christ to die for us (Romans 5:8). Once we are in heaven, we will be free from sickness, disease, and death. Until that day, we will have to deal with sin, its effects, and its consequences. We can praise God, though, that He can and will use birth defects and other tragedies for our good and His glory. John 9:2-3 declares, "His disciples asked Him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' 'Neither this man nor his parents sinned,' said Jesus, 'but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.'
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: AbrahamG on February 08, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
Fuck you, you filthy swine. Don't curse the Bible, dipshit.

I once banged a black hooker doggy style and had her read the bible aloud while I was penetrating.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Stefano on February 08, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
Christianity is the true religion while Islam is yet another false religion



Interesting. Evidence to back this up?  8)

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
Interesting. Evidence to back this up?  8)



Sure.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#islam
 



Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Stefano on February 08, 2013, 09:58:46 PM
Sure.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#islam
 





Thank you
How would you answer those islamists who claim the quran is superior to the bible?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 08, 2013, 10:02:45 PM
Thank you
How would you answer those islamists who claim the quran is superior to the bible?

It's there in the link. There are quite a few articles in there that cover what you want to know. Basically the Bible is the inspired word of God whereas the Quran is but an error-ridden counterfeit.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#islam
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 09, 2013, 12:56:29 AM
Question: "Why does God allow birth defects?"

A subject close to your heart!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 09, 2013, 12:57:57 AM
A subject close to your heart!

I thought you said you didn't make fun of people, and that people that made fun of others deserve to be physically attacked? ???
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 09, 2013, 01:11:46 AM
I thought you said you didn't make fun of people, and that people that made fun of others deserve to be physically attacked? ???
I never said I didn't make fun of people.  Nor did I say that those that do need to be physically attacked.  Online I make fun of those who make fun of others, I wouldn't just seek out someone I have never interacted with on GETBIG and start sending them PM's about how I fucked their mother.   Online, their is no potential for physical harm and the other part can easily protect themselves or disengage.  My comment was in relation to practical jokers approaching STRANGERS in public and attempting to publicly humiliate or denigrate them.  

If it was just his mates doing this shit to each other, like say the JACKASS crew, who cares, they are obviously in on the gag and accepting of it, or if they were doing it in response to someone giving them shit or a hard time, I would understand, but this guy is just doing it COLD, initiating an unwanted interaction that the other party soon learns is to humiliate them for shits and giggles on Youtube.  

The fact is, when individuals are in public, they are more exposed and vulnerable to strangers than when they are say at home or at work.  This is why people essentially ignore each other in public, any gesture by someone you don't know could be conceived as a threat and end badly, this is why a Reasonable person wouldn't engage in such behaviour, even though the potential for a laugh is there, the potential for conflict isn't worth the risk.   By all means, go out there and try this shit on the unsuspecting public, but just hope you don't run into me.

Let me ask you, if you had a young son, would you encourage this type of behaviour?
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 09, 2013, 06:51:00 AM
A subject close to your heart!

 ???
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Agnostic007 on February 09, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
The bible backs up people ownership as well
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 09, 2013, 04:34:13 PM
By all means, go out there and try this shit on the unsuspecting public, but just hope you don't run into me.

hahahahah!  I assume you won't be armed? ???

Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: pecster on February 11, 2013, 12:13:56 PM
Wrong, Security 1.  I *am* a homosexual, and proudly so, but that doesn't color what I feel about Fundies and other hate groups.
Christ = love, supposedly.  Have you gone through this thread and seen the vitriolic, mean-spirited, hate-drenched replies from Christians to those that disagree with them?  What was it Jesus said?  Turn the other cheek.  Not hate these who don't believe the same way.  *That's* the problem with Jesus' followers.
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Radical Plato on February 11, 2013, 12:22:23 PM
Sigh, since God is infinitely higher than us than how on earth can we hope to touch Him? It's like the characters in a book trying to reach out to their author and his world. Of course it's impossible because they're stuck in the world of that book.
So Humans inability to detect GOD is like the inability of fictional characters from a book trying to reach out to their author and his world (lol)  Seriously, you compare humans to fictional characters, is their no end to the inane observations and comparisons you make.  That would have to be the most retarded analogy I have ever heard.  Has it occurred to you, that their is no reason why humanity shouldn't be able to detect a divine being and that one possible reason is that GOD doesn't exist!
Title: Re: The Bible backs up gun ownership
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 11, 2013, 12:47:43 PM
So Humans inability to detect GOD is like the inability of fictional characters from a book trying to reach out to their author and his world (lol)  Seriously, you compare humans to fictional characters, is their no end to the inane observations and comparisons you make.  That would have to be the most retarded analogy I have ever heard.  Has it occurred to you, that their is no reason why humanity shouldn't be able to detect a divine being and that one possible reason is that GOD doesn't exist!

That's just an analogy, asswipe. I never said it was perfect but it does hold true. Going by how fuckin' stupid you are, if you say something the opposite must be true which means that the analogy is actually a brilliant one, so thanks, dipshit. You missed the whole point of the analogy that creation cannot reach out to the Creator so go back and consider it again. How the fuck can humans detect a being that is divine and Spirit when they are NOT divine at all and are physical beings? Just as the fictional characters are in their own world totally unable to touch the author in HIS own world, infinitely MORE so are humans unable to touch or detect God. After all the author is only above his fictional creation in a limited sense and yet the characters are totally separated from him so consider that God is INFINITELY higher than us His creation so how much infinitely less able are we to reach Him solely on our efforts, regardless of our (puny) intelligence? Again, no matter how great we are we are still only the creations; God is the OMNISCIENT AND INFINITELY WISE AND INTELLIGENT CREATOR; if you don't understand the gulf between the two then consider my analogy again to help you grasp this basic concept. Surely it shouldn't be too hard for even you to get seeing as the analogy is a rather straightforward one. And don't make retarded statements like it being possible that God doesn't exist when all things indubitably testify to His existence and power, not even mentioning the fact that the word of God (the Bible) guarantees God's existence and reign.