10 People

[Coach is Back!]

Was the draw that Sandra "I want free shit" Fluke spoke too. Hahahaha!

[flipper5470]

Eight of them were drunks from the casino hoping to hit that whore ass....

[Straw Man]

why do Repubs feel the need to pretend that Fluke was advocating for "free stuff"

Are they incapable of challenging her actual argument ?

[flipper5470]

Why respond to her argument?  She's an idiot or a liar...she claimed her BC would cost her $1000 a year if she paid for it out of pocket when there were pharmacies within walking distance of Georgetown that sold it for $8 a month.

[tonymctones]

why do Repubs feel the need to pretend that Fluke was advocating for "free stuff"

Are they incapable of challenging her actual argument ?

what was her argument straw?

[Straw Man]

what was her argument straw?

that contraception be included in the health care plan for which the students are her school pay 100% of the premium

[flipper5470]

Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover.  Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan.  They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.

[tu_holmes]

Where was the venue? Maybe it was just some people standing around outside.

The low numbers sound like it was something either:

1. Thrown together
or
2. She was in the middle of a circle talking to people and was moving from one circle to the next and some nut job decided "Oh... it was 10 people".

I find the numbers highly suspect.

[Straw Man]

Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover.  Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan.  They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.

the insurance company providing the plan wanted to include it (they have some dumb idea that preventing pregnancy and ovarian cancer will somehow be cheaper than having to pay for them later) and the students wanted it and, of course the full freight is paid by the students

and here's the rub.   Georgetown employees have the coverage in their plan which presumably is paid, at least in part, by the University.

So what exactly is the argument against allowing the same coverage in a plan that is paid fully by the students (or their parents)?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/?mobile=nc

[flipper5470]

She was at a scheduled event it the parking lot of something called a "Sak n' Save".....  

[flipper5470]

The argument is that Georgetown doesn't want to cover it....they don't require students to buy a policy that excludes it.  What's the problem?

[Straw Man]

The argument is that Georgetown doesn't want to cover it....they don't require students to buy a policy that excludes it.  What's the problem?

sure they do - they gladly cover it for employees and most likely pay for it so what's the argument for not allowing it in the student plan that is paid for by the students?

[tonymctones]

Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover.  Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan.  They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.

no I believe her argument was that all insurance should have to cover it....

[Straw Man]

no I believe her argument was that all insurance should have to cover it....

her argument was in fact testimony in favor of the provision in the healthcare legislation that required contraception to be included in the health care plan

That's it

She never asked that it be free or asked for free condoms or any of the bullshit straw man arguments that the right wing put up in place of the actual thing that she was advocating for

Georgetown includes it in the employee plan so they have no moral leg to stand on when objecting to having it included in the student plan

We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we're so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.

[flipper5470]

sure they do - they gladly cover it for employees and most likely pay for it so what's the argument for not allowing it in the student plan that is paid for by the students?

Despite what you're arguing...There's essentially no difference here between the students and the employees.   Employees are allowed to pick from a number of policies as part of their employment. Some offer birth control....some don't.  Students can either purchse the University insurance that does not cover it...or find a policy that does.

You have failed to explain why the University should be compelled to provide coverage for somehting they do not wish to when they allow students to find an alternative...

[tonymctones]

her argument was in fact testimony in favor of the provision in the healthcare legislation that required contraception to be included in the health care plan

That's it

She never asked that it be free or asked for free condoms or any of the bullshit straw man arguments that the right wing put up in place of the actual thing that she was advocating for

Georgetown includes it in the employee plan so they have no moral leg to stand on when objecting to having it included in the student plan

her argument was not soley in the context of georgetowns insurance plans in was in the context of ALL insurance plans...

dont be ignorant

[Straw Man]

her argument was not soley in the context of georgetowns insurance plans in was in the context of ALL insurance plans...

dont be ignorant

spare me the nonsense

you somehow didn't even know what her testimony was about until I told you

here is the full text:  http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf

[tonymctones]

spare me the nonsense

you somehow didn't even know what her testimony was about until I told you

here is the full text:  http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf

hahah I knew what it was just like I knew the definition of hypocrisey when I asked you to define it.

I also knew you would come up with some off the wall shit as always.

[Straw Man]

hahah I knew what it was just like I knew the definition of hypocrisey when I asked you to define it.

I also knew you would come up with some off the wall shit as always.

that is your only response after reading Flukes entire testimony

let's review

Fluke testified in favor of the provision that requires her school to include contraception in their health care plan

The students pay the full premium on the plan

The insurance company providing the plan would prefer to include contraception

Georgetown already provides contraception in their employee plan and likely pays some or all of the cost and has stated they will continue to do so


Let's put most of that aside and let me ask you why you think the university has a right to restrict the free trade of the insurance company who wants to provide contraception and the students who also want it and who pay the entire premium

[flipper5470]

Restrict free trade?   WTF?   They have a right to set the parameters for the insurer they contract with.  When are you going to explain why they shouldn't be able to do that....

[tonymctones]

that is your only response after reading Flukes entire testimony

let's review

Fluke testified in favor of the provision that requires her school to include contraception in their health care plan

The students pay the full premium on the plan

The insurance company providing the plan would prefer to include contraception

Georgetown already provides contraception in their employee plan and likely pays some or all of the cost and has stated they will continue to do so


Let's put most of that aside and let me ask you why you think the university has a right to restrict the free trade of the insurance company who wants to provide contraception and the students who also want it and who pay the entire premium

and that has been her whole argument right straw?

she hasnt made any statements outside of that one specific statement?

her argument is for all insurance coverage of contraception...I dont see why it is so hard for you to just admit it.

[Straw Man]

Restrict free trade?   WTF?   They have a right to set the parameters for the insurer they contract with.  When are you going to explain why they shouldn't be able to do that....

why should they, especially when they allow the very same coverage to employees

what is their argument other why one group (their employees) should have access (and even have it paid for) and another should not

btw - the argument from the right is for less regulation yet we already have 26 states with similar regulation and we regulate all kinds of other industries when we see it as part of the collective good and especially so for an industry that provides a basic standard service which is eventually needed by all people

[Straw Man]

and that has been her whole argument right straw?

she hasnt made any statements outside of that one specific statement?

her argument is for all insurance coverage of contraception...I dont see why it is so hard for you to just admit it.

feel free to show me the quote and I'll be glad to admit it

btw - I have no doubt that virtually all insurance plans do offer it unless restricted against offering it.   Insurance companies would rather offer a few pennies of prevention rather than tens of thousands of dollars of cure

[tonymctones]

feel free to show me the quote and I'll be glad to admit it

btw - I have no doubt that virtually all insurance plans do offer it unless restricted against offering it.   Insurance companies would rather offer a few pennies of prevention rather than tens of thousands of dollars of cure

"contraception needs to be treated as a basic health care service"

she may have spoke incidentally about her experience with georgetown but you missed her the premise of her argument b/c it was in regards to all insurance plans straw.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/lib-hero-sandra-fluke-free-birth-control-is-a-natural-human-right-i-wont-be-silenced/

[Straw Man]

"contraception needs to be treated as a basic health care service"

she may have spoke incidentally about her experience with georgetown but you missed her the premise of her argument b/c it was in regards to all insurance plans straw.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/lib-hero-sandra-fluke-free-birth-control-is-a-natural-human-right-i-wont-be-silenced/

I'm ready to agree with you but I don't see the quote