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Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« on: September 14, 2008, 03:17:47 PM »
I have my doubts about his timing and sincerity, but here is some of what he has to say about his faith. 

Here he talks about being a devout Christian:

I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn’t ‘fall out in church’ as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn’t want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals.

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http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080306_news_flash_obama_clinton_claim_christian_faith/

Here he discusses embracing certain parts of the Bible and the death and resurrection of Jesus:

Well, look, obviously as a Christian I believe in the values that are laid out in Scripture. I reflect on them often. I reflect on the lessons of Scripture as I’m going through the day. I pray frequently. I wrestle with doubts and try to figure out whether I’m doing the right thing, am I operating in an honest and moral way that is true to my religious precepts? Sometimes I may falter. So I guess the point is, I approach my work or I guess my faith is part of everything that I do. And I don’t think there’s a clear separation between my faith and how I try to live my life. And I certainly think that part of my motivation in the work that I do is a belief in what I consider the core precept of Christianity in addition to Christ dying for your sins and that is treating your brothers and sisters as you would have them treat you. A sense of empathy and a belief in the golden rule. And that’s what I try to apply to my work and what I do every day.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/christianity_and_politics_obama_explains_christ_paid_price_for_sin_20080603/

Here he talks about being called by God:

"The questions I had did not magically disappear," Obama wrote in his recent book, titled "The Audacity of Hope" after Wright's turn of phrase, of the day four years later when he made a formal commitment of Christian faith. "But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html

Here he talks about doing God's will:

Explaining what it meant to him to be a Christian, the Democratic senator from Illinois talked of "walking humbly with our God": "I know that I don't walk alone, and I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-saddleback-obama-mccainaug17,0,4760268.story

Here he uses his faith to try and get votes in South Carolina, calling himself a "committed Christian":





Today, Greg Sargent posted a brochure which the Obama campaign is distributing in South Carolina which seem to include religious appeals at least as overt and explicit as anything Huckabee has done. The center page of the brochure proclaims -- in the largest letters on the page -- that Obama is a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and includes three pictures of Obama, all of which show him praying or preaching in a Church, and also includes a fourth picture: of the interior of a Church with a large cross lurking in the background. The page also says that Obama is "guided by his Christian faith" and quotes Obama saying: "We do what we do because God is with us."

That same page prints Obama's views "on the power of prayer," and -- using the same language George Bush has frequently used as a signifier to evangelical voters -- says that Obama is "Called to Christ," "Called to Bring Change" and "Called to Serve":

Similarly, the front page of the brochure shows Obama in a chin-on-hand contemplative posture and underneath, it reads: "Answering the Call." The last page shows two more pictures of Obama in Church, proclaims him again in large letters to be a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and describes how he "felt a beckoning and accepted Jesus Christ into [his] life":

Sargent speculates that the brochure is an attempt to counter the false whispering campaign increasingly being circulated in South Carolina (by whom, we should find out) that Obama is a Muslim. That very well may be, but the brochure seems designed with a far broader purpose: namely, to signify to South Carolina's many Christian voters that Obama is one of them and therefore should have their vote for President, much the way that Huckabee sought to court the evangelical vote that was so critical to the GOP Iowa caucus.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/21/obama/

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 03:20:10 PM »
Nobody with half a brain gives a shit, but thanks for trying to make this an issue.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 03:26:58 PM »
Just to clarify for the intellectually and class challenged people (okay there is only one of you), this is an offshoot of The Luke's post in a prior thread, contending Obama practices, but does not believe in Christianity:

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It's impossible to be a "secret" Muslim....

Denial of Mohamed as Allah's greatest prophet and divine channel for "the final revelation" (ie: a Muslim denying himself as being a Muslim, or denying Islam) is considered tantamount to renouncing one's faith.

Read your Koran people...


If Obama is a secret anything, he's a secret atheist (like most intelligent people)... he never attending any church during his younger years and only joined a congregation when he opted to enter politics; he isn't in any way a fundamentalist (ie: Creationist) and is very careful in what he says about religion: "I believe in religion" not I believe in Jeebus... he talks about his "Faith", he doesn't assert the Bible as truth... etc. Lots of little giveaways.

It should be pretty obvious to observant voters that he is a "practicing Christian" rather than a "believing Christian"... most of the Founding fathers had some form of faith (mostly Masonic), but Christianity is little more than a required/traditional formality for modern politicians.


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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 03:30:12 PM »
Just to clarify for the intellectually and class challenged people (okay there is only one of you), this is an offshoot of The Luke's post in a prior thread, contending Obama practices, but does not believe in Christianity:




So you've got a post from a well-known IRish bigfoot hunter. Good for you.  ::)  Like I said, "No one with half a brain (or more), gives a shit


ALl right, time for me to channel sweet Stella:  ;D

Beach Bum, do you have any information on Obama's position on dinosaurs? 

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 05:09:28 PM »
Mayor Sarah says that dinosaurs roamed the earth 4000 years ago.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 05:22:50 PM »
240, I'm curious as to why some people vehemently reject that life (not the earth itself but life) could have only been on earth for let's say under 10,000 years?

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 05:26:23 PM »
Mayor Sarah says that dinosaurs roamed the earth 4000 years ago.

If that constitutes as being a "Real Christian", then either that excludes a lot of people who go to Church, or they need to burn down the Smithsonian in DC for being a bastion of such heretical beliefs as dinos being wiped out 65 Million years ago....  

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 05:31:52 PM »

I find it almost hysterical that some people can't grasp that people who believe dinosaurs were running around 4000 years ago have the IQ of a chipmunk (a very cute animal, nonetheless).

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2008, 05:34:28 PM »
It's unreal that Palin will look us in the eye and try to convince us that all the scientists are wrong, and she is right.

But then again, mccain claimed she knew more about energy THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 05:55:26 PM »
It's unreal that Palin will look us in the eye and try to convince us that all the scientists are wrong, and she is right.

But then again, mccain claimed she knew more about energy THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES.

In her defense, there are chances that pockets of dinos are still around in the deep jungles of the Congo....if only they could confirm those rumors... Mastedons were around (dwarf) on some island around 4-10,000 yrs ago.

Loch Ness is nothing more than big sturgeons. 

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 01:02:25 AM »
In her defense, there are chances that pockets of dinos are still around in the deep jungles of the Congo....if only they could confirm those rumors... Mastedons were around (dwarf) on some island around 4-10,000 yrs ago.

Loch Ness is nothing more than big sturgeons. 

Mastodons went the way of the other N. American megafauna at the end of the Pleistocene...extinction .
The woolly mammoth, however,  survived into the Holocene on Wrangel Island (off the coast of Siberia) till about 4000 years ago.   Pretty astonishing when you think about it...

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 03:52:26 AM »
Sorry your thread got over taken by a couple of twerps, Beach. 
Good topic.  These same people that think this is a stupid subject are the same ones that will discuss on 5 different threads how Palin once got a parking ticket.  -for those that don't understand satire, read again.

No, Obama is not a practicing christain.  His views on abortion and his votes on the BAIPA support that.
Here some video below that explains this abortion view and his ignorance of the Bible.


 

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 03:58:57 AM »
Sorry your thread got over taken by a couple of twerps, Beach. 
ohhhhhh.... that must suck... would love to do something about it but!!!! ahahahaha... what goes around comes around I guess ;)

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 04:03:40 AM »
ohhhhhh.... that must suck... would love to do something about it but!!!! ahahahaha... what goes around comes around I guess ;)

What's up Puke-O Chaffed-ass?!!
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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2008, 04:14:54 AM »
What's up Puke-O Chaffed-ass?!!
What the hell are you doing up so late? or up so early? assuming you're in America.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2008, 04:52:44 AM »
I have my doubts about his timing and sincerity, but here is some of what he has to say about his faith.  Here he talks about being a devout Christian:



as the US economy IMPLODES all you neocons talk about is religion.

you're NO DIFFERENT than the religious fanatic's in the Middle East.



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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 05:26:20 AM »
Just to clarify for the intellectually and class challenged people (okay there is only one of you), this is an offshoot of The Luke's post in a prior thread, contending Obama practices, but does not believe in Christianity:


That’s because it makes The Luke look silly (or sillier), flapping his gums about Palin being stupid, because she’s a Christian on one hand; while on the other hand, he's encouraging people to vote for Obama (another professed Christian).


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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2008, 06:17:03 AM »
Mastodons went the way of the other N. American megafauna at the end of the Pleistocene...extinction .
The woolly mammoth, however,  survived into the Holocene on Wrangel Island (off the coast of Siberia) till about 4000 years ago.   Pretty astonishing when you think about it...

Thank you for correcting me, I knew was either the Mastodons or the Dwarf Woolly Mammoth....Well, there is that number again, 4,000 years ago...

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 06:23:09 AM »
That’s because it makes The Luke look silly (or sillier), flapping his gums about Palin being stupid, because she’s a Christian on one hand; while on the other hand, he's encouraging people to vote for Obama (another professed Christian).

...I rather see it as a choice between someone pandering to the insecurities of the infantile masses (Obama); and a cabal of dangerously ignorant fundamentalists (Palin, Bush etc).

Historians will view it as the manifestation of a dysgenic societal schism... Republican voters <95 IQ; Democrat voters >95 IQ. They effectively represent the dysgenic (conservative) and stable (liberal) IQ population factions.

Lesser of two evils...

Personally I don't think there is a choice. Without serious (socialist) change of the type Obama recommends America is facing collapse. If McCain got into office with his more of the same policies, most foeign investors would dump their dollars and the currency would collapse... without the bargaining power of the dollar as the international reserve currency America is insolvent. Then China and Saudi Arabia foreclose and the USA becomes (even more so) a Third World country.

I'd rather have the option to vote Nader/Chomsky.



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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 06:47:26 AM »
...I rather see it as a choice between someone pandering to the insecurities of the infantile masses (Obama); and a cabal of dangerously ignorant fundamentalists (Palin, Bush etc).

Historians will view it as the manifestation of a dysgenic societal schism... Republican voters <95 IQ; Democrat voters >95 IQ. They effectively represent the dysgenic (conservative) and stable (liberal) IQ population factions.

Lesser of two evils...

Personally I don't think there is a choice. Without serious (socialist) change of the type Obama recommends America is facing collapse. If McCain got into office with his more of the same policies, most foeign investors would dump their dollars and the currency would collapse... without the bargaining power of the dollar as the international reserve currency America is insolvent. Then China and Saudi Arabia foreclose and the USA becomes (even more so) a Third World country.

I'd rather have the option to vote Nader/Chomsky.

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Keep dreaming. The USA ain't becoming a third-world country.

And what wacky “historians” are going to come up with that claim, other than those already far-left, from the get-go?

Or did you forget that a huge chunk of Kerry voters (according to a CNN poll, of over 13,000 people) didn’t even have high-school diplomas? I wonder how they did on the IQ test.


The point is that the “Dems are smart; Republicans are stupid” tirade is a old and worn one. Judging from the fact that just TWO Democratic presidents have been elected in the last 40 years (only one of those guys got re-elected; the other got CRUSHED in his re-election bid) and the Democratic front-runner is coming dangerously close to blowing his chance at the Oval Office,  you might want to re-evaluate your little quips.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2008, 06:55:33 AM »
McWay,


You are uninformed.

America is suffering the effects of both chronic dysgenia and a chronic IQ deficit.

I don't know if it's mercury in the food, or food additives or what... but you're about a hundred years away from Morlocks and Eloi.


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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 07:04:10 AM »
In her defense, there are chances that pockets of dinos are still around in the deep jungles of the Congo....if only they could confirm those rumors... Mastedons were around (dwarf) on some island around 4-10,000 yrs ago.

Loch Ness is nothing more than big sturgeons. 

you do realize that a woolly mammoth is not in any way related to dinosaurs?  That a mammal was around in the age of mammals is hardly surprising.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 07:07:23 AM »
Beach Bum why is the christian question relevant to Obama?

If I didn't know better, I'd think you wanted some sort of religious litmus test for the office of president.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2008, 07:12:37 AM »
McWay,


You are uninformed.

America is suffering the effects of both chronic dysgenia and a chronic IQ deficit.

I don't know if it's mercury in the food, or food additives or what... but you're about a hundred years away from Morlocks and Eloi.


The Luke

And, as usual, you can't answer basic questions, without rambling to make yourself sound smarter than you actually are.

You've yet to explain why these high-IQ-loaded Dems have elected a whopping TWO presidents in 40 years, why a significant chunk of Kerry voters didn't have high-school diplomas, or why Obama is floundering and may end up blowing this election.

Try that on for size and spare us all your long-winded posturing.

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Re: Is Obama a practicing, believing Christian?
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2008, 07:13:41 AM »
In her defense, there are chances that pockets of dinos are still around in the deep jungles of the Congo....if only they could confirm those rumors... Mastedons were around (dwarf) on some island around 4-10,000 yrs ago.

Loch Ness is nothing more than big sturgeons. 

GetBig's resident monster hunter says:

There MIGHT be surviving dinosaurs in the Congo. Parker is referring to the mythical Mokele Mbembe (the "Deep Diver") some form of sauropod said to live in the Lake Tele region of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Giant chimps (6' 300 lbs) were discovered in Congo in 2003 (Google: "Bili Ape" or "Bondo Mystery Ape")... so it's possible.


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