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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2017, 11:02:22 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2017, 11:04:47 PM »
Explain said clusterfuck.

I think you've been mislead by what you've read is going on vs. what is actually happening.

Question: have you read any of the EO in full, in their original form?

Another one.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2017, 11:09:15 PM »
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.

Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.

Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2017, 11:18:50 PM »
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.

Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.

Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.

Again, defending yourself to whom here?


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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2017, 11:21:36 PM »
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.

Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.

Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.

Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...


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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2017, 11:27:10 PM »
Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...

https://youtu.be/VPADFNKDhGM

Ha!

Perfect. Those inconvenient facts and such. See, Adam? This is what ya got in bed with.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2017, 11:29:17 PM »
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.

Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.

Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.



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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2017, 11:30:54 PM »
Ha!

Perfect. Those inconvenient facts and such. See, Adam? This is what ya got in bed with.

It would fucking kill you to put truth with common sense. You didn't even attempt to watch it did you?

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2017, 11:35:02 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2017, 12:16:22 AM »
But it's not and not even for the rich, in most cases it's more expensive individually but more than that, what happens once you have a complete government takeover of the healthcare system?

No. No it's not more expensive.

What happens?

I mean it seems that the nations that do it, have a great healthcare and spend less per person.

What do you think happens?

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2017, 12:48:51 AM »
I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure.  He would admit it, off the record of course as well.  Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans. 

Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it.  Shows you how dumb they really are.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2017, 01:19:32 AM »
I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure.  He would admit it, off the record of course as well.  Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans. 

Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it.  Shows you how dumb they really are.

What do you think the administration (not Trump) could have done different to be more effective, in your eyes?

Remember how much the democrats obstruct... not sure what you can expect with the current system as is.

If you say that the government system of the US is a failure, has been a failure, so far, despite Trump's efforts, then yes, I'd be inclined to agree.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2017, 01:52:40 AM »
Great post, TA.

White people went from being the most successful race in human history - the Wayne Gretzky of races - to a bunch of evolutionary losers who have the collective self-esteem of a group of short, bald bodybuilders who Never1AShow.

Sad.  :-\

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2017, 02:00:25 AM »
I'm so disgusted being part of this race of losers.  Could you imagine if Hebrews went around telling everyone that they succeed in sports due to oppressing non-Hebrews?  But at least Hebrews know better than to do that.  White people, however, do not.  Pahetic.

White people are acting like they Never1AShow.  :-X



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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2017, 02:02:49 AM »
^^ those people just like virtue signaling more than they like themselves.

i bet half are depressed, clinically, and the other half are medicated, self or otherwise

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2017, 04:25:02 AM »
Most of Trump's pledges were pie in the sky. I'm surprised anyone thought he could be anything other then a disappointment.
Only reason I wanted him to win was for the liberal meltdown that followed.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2017, 04:44:06 AM »


Fuck you and your damn facts. Breitbart tells me that single payer is socialism and socialism is for muslims and feminists.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2017, 04:53:07 AM »
Fuck you and your damn facts. Breitbart tells me that single payer is socialism and socialism is for muslims and feminists.

We have a different population than those countries.  Go to Italy vs most places in USA and you will see the vast differences.  Most here are lazy, fat, and slow and have horrible diets and lifestyles. 

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2017, 05:49:22 AM »


TA...in an ideal world, you may be right. However, unfortunately, living in the most Democratic free society in the world is diametrically opposed to standardized single payor healthcare. As a physician, the absolute greatest failure of the healthcare system in this country is the eating habits, gross obesity, and illicit habits like smoking and excessive drinking.

Is it shocking that over 50% of Americans are technically obese, and interestingly 50% of Americans pay no taxes. The reason a single payor system works in some countries is that citizens...all of them...are expected to contribute to overall costs. In our country, most people would rather buy their cigarettes or alcohol and not buy insurance. Thus, I do not feel that a single payor option will work considering there are no penalties for bad behaviour. Thus, maybe the following would help without breaking the bank.

- Get rid of trial lawyers; physicians order too many unnecessary studies for fear of litigation...especially from those with less means...i.e. blacks, hispanics, trailer park whites
- Tort reform to protect physicians from ridiculous lawsuits
- Tax write offs for physicians for physicians and their practices. For instance, advocate that 5% of your practice is to care for the less fortunate but because the patient has no means to pay the practice / physician can write the visit off against gross income
- As it is, there are very few providers for straight Medicaid or Medicare even in the commuity; try to get an appointment with a PCP with straight Medicare
- With tort reform, malpractice insurance will decline
- Tax the hell out of consumption products; don't VAT tax the whole country....if you want to smoke, put a 100% tax on a pack of cigarettes. If you want to drink...increase taxes there
- Allow insurance companies to negotiate with Canadian pharmacies to obtain meds...agreed that meds in America are ridiculously expensive
- Allow people to shop for their insurance out of their states; cannot believe the Republicans haven't already passed this into law....think of Amazon vs your brick and mortar stores. Why can't I use BCBS of California in Florida; it is ludicrous to have virtual monopolies state to state
- Have clear expenses for services ahead of time...do you know how much that ER visit to treat that migraine is really going to be prior to getting the bill. Bet you nobody has a clue until they get the 5000 dollar bill and see that a Tylenol costs a 100 bucks.

This is but a start. I don't think a single payor is going to be viable in America right now. Beyond that, google Canadian healthcare nightmares and read the horror stories. Three months to see a PCP. Five months to see a specialist. In America, even with the crappy system we have now, you can get in to see a doc timely. Simple, if you are willing to pay for it, you can doctor shop. Can't do that in Canada. Also, think about a panel that denies you a particular service ie chemotherapy, for instance, because you are 70 but otherwise healthy. Don't think they ration care in these countries...think again. If there is only one insurance, what recourse do you have if denied services.

I am not completely dismissing your idea. I am just pointing out obvious weaknesses in the system. The debate will go on.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2017, 05:51:25 AM »
We have a different population than those countries.  Go to Italy vs most places in USA and you will see the vast differences.  Most here are lazy, fat, and slow and have horrible diets and lifestyles. 

exactly this.

comparisons like that are meaningless except for the absolute highest birds-eye level, and even as such not very telling

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2017, 05:52:04 AM »
im no failur i regularly nut 3to 4 times a day everyday
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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2017, 05:58:24 AM »
Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...



Holy crap, epic meltdown about politics lol. Geez, getting so angry about TAs position lol

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2017, 06:13:46 AM »
Holy crap, epic meltdown about politics lol. Geez, getting so angry about TAs position lol



You don't go from being an admitted socialist all of these years supporting Sanders (that to this day still talks shit about Trump) then all of the sudden being all in for a capitalist with mostly conservative values. If you support a one payer systems that in fact makes you a socialist. That's his position

At least be honest about your affiliation