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For all of those concerned or interested, here is something to ponder or, hopefully, for you to levy your thoughts or opinions on:
Generally, I have noticed in the mainstream sports media that when an athlete (usually from either NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA or Track & Field) comes under scrutiny for either:
Drug use (any kind of drug)
Domestic/ spouse/family abuse
Having multiple, illegitimate children with multiple partners
Other similar, antisocial acts, or what have you...
Their agents, league officials, pastors, reverends, mothers, friends, especially the MEDIA, etc., always speak in terms that state that "Well, athlete X made a POOR CHOICE/DECISION."
If you or I commit the same act, it is called a CRIME.
Please do speak on this. I am very curious to know if others notice this same sort of 'selective malfeasance'.
Best,
Mike
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
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$$$$$$$ + privilege + skill = freedom
fame and fortune are a mother fucker ain't they?
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
Indeed, Squadfather, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I have always said, "Well, when baking a cake, if I were to forget the adding of eggs to my mixture, that would be a MISTAKE".
If I were:
Dealing heroine
Slapping my wife around
Neglecting my children
Beating a defenseless animal (or, having them viciously fight each other, ala Mr. Vick)
Etc.,
Well, where I cope from, those things are known as CRIMES.
Mike
PS: I just love Vick's lawyers explaining off-his malfeasance as 'lapses in judgement' and the like. I know that the average American supposedly reads at a 6 to 8th grade education level, but do they really expect us to buy into such hooey?
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I'd imagine we will be seeing a plethora of 'Mistake' comments by baseball athletes' lawyers and agents on the Mitchell Report list in the coming days.
This will be after initially denying the report altogether, or trying to discredit sources.
Mike
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
lol good call
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Like a broken record here, but I totally agree. All of this shit is for damage control and just trying to spin the situation. Like Warren Moon beating the crap out of his wife and then asking for forgiveness on national TV. Sorry man, you're a POS. You commit a crime, then you do the time. Even after that you do not say you made a "mistake", just admit that you committed a crime. It's called "manning-up" or being mature and responsible I suppose.
Oh, and for all of those idiot Atlanta Falcon fans AND D'Angelo Hall AND that other no-one player that were wearing their "Free Michael Vick" garb, you people are fucking ignorant. Period.
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Gigantor-X, yes, your words ring true.
I am surprised you remember Warren Moon on that one.
Most don't remember that he beat the holy Hell out the poor woman (granted, no one deserves such beatings, but I also don't know what her end of respoinsibility was in the whole, sordid affair).
They also don't recall that he was in line for some very plum media gigs ( I believe he was going to anchor an ESPN show.
Now, you rarely see him on any media landscapoe whatsoever.
I liked Warren Moon.
However, I also believe his 'blackballing' (if you could call it that) was and is a deserved one for...yes...for his CRIMES.
And as far as Atlanta Falcons players, well...they just are not very bright, now are they? Or, maybe we just can't imagine them breaking ranks for a change and seeing thiugs for how they really are.
They'd go a long way in doing so in gaining more respectability and credibility.
Like the SF Giants/B. Bonds fans.
They still go nuts for the guy...giving him standing O's and all...despite his repeated indiscretions (remember...roids are not his only problems...there is the perjury to the FEDS...the adultry with the honey from Arzona...the income tax evasion from income from the card shows...well, now, the hits they just keep a comin'!).
By the way, regarding the adultress...how many here at GetBig can relate to the old adage:
"Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned"?
Barry is about to learn.
Mike
Mike
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It's all about taking responcibillity. Apparentlly when you are rich and famous you don't have to do this, but all catches up in the end.
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For all of those concerned or interested, here is something to ponder or, hopefully, for you to levy your thoughts or opinions on:
Generally, I have noticed in the mainstream sports media that when an athlete (usually from either NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA or Track & Field) comes under scrutiny for either:
Drug use (any kind of drug)
Domestic/ spouse/family abuse
Having multiple, illegitimate children with multiple partners
Other similar, antisocial acts, or what have you...
Their agents, league officials, pastors, reverends, mothers, friends, especially the MEDIA, etc., always speak in terms that state that "Well, athlete X made a POOR CHOICE/DECISION."
If you or I commit the same act, it is called a CRIME.
Please do speak on this. I am very curious to know if others notice this same sort of 'selective malfeasance'.
Best,
Mike
uhhh no, these celebs do get the same jail time as you and me albeit more publicity and better lawyers
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uhhh no, these celebs do get the same jail time as you and me albeit more publicity and better lawyers
Maybe, but the more ca$h you have, the easier your lot becomes
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Come on man.... O.J. just made a mistake ;)
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Come on man.... O.J. just made a mistake ;)
Perhaps, but not this time around!
Mike
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
I carry a weapon all the time. Last I checked, it isn't a crime as long as you are properly licensed.
You're a liberal, ain't ya? ::)
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I carry a weapon all the time. Last I checked, it isn't a crime as long as you are properly licensed.
You're a liberal, ain't ya? ::)
No, not a liberal at all. Centrist/republican mostly.
Mike
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No, not a liberal at all. Centrist/republican mostly.
Mike
I meant Squadfather.
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I meant Squadfather.
Oops. Sorry, my friend.
Mike
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HHAHHAHAHA squadfather, carrying a gun is not a crime, all you need to do is get a permit, what state do you live in??? Some liberal ass state?
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HHAHHAHAHA squadfather, carrying a gun is not a crime, all you need to do is get a permit, what state do you live in??? Some liberal ass state?
I am not a liberal, but I don't see the need for guns.
And I feel for ladies right to choose.
Mike
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Why is drug use considered a moral problem? It is a health problem.
I am not a liberal, but I don't see the need for guns.
And I feel for ladies right to choose.
Mike
Need for guns = government's potential to oppress.
In Canada, I wish we ALL were legally forced to possess a gun. As it is, they are illegal and if we have a gun, not only does the government have the right to enter our homes at ANY time (defeating the purpose), but we need to have the weapon and bullets locked in separate areas. Epic logic. ::)
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I carry a weapon all the time. Last I checked, it isn't a crime as long as you are properly licensed.
You're a liberal, ain't ya? ::)
i meant UNLICENSED weapons like the spooks are so fond of carrying and i'm not a liberal, i'm more of a true Goldwater type conservative, very conservative fiscally and don't think the government has any place in people's private lives, that's a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
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For all of those concerned or interested, here is something to ponder or, hopefully, for you to levy your thoughts or opinions on:
Generally, I have noticed in the mainstream sports media that when an athlete (usually from either NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA or Track & Field) comes under scrutiny for either:
Drug use (any kind of drug)
Domestic/ spouse/family abuse
Having multiple, illegitimate children with multiple partners
Other similar, antisocial acts, or what have you...
Their agents, league officials, pastors, reverends, mothers, friends, especially the MEDIA, etc., always speak in terms that state that "Well, athlete X made a POOR CHOICE/DECISION."
If you or I commit the same act, it is called a CRIME.
Please do speak on this. I am very curious to know if others notice this same sort of 'selective malfeasance'.
Best,
Mike
Thats because when you have to much of this $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
you get a swelled head and think your untouchable.
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We need guns in Canada.
I thought the founding fathers in the USA already made it clear why this is an important right. Geez.
Whenever a gun death happens in Canada, some moron politician comes on the air and explains why more gun control is necessary. Fucking idiot - do you think people who KILL people with guns would obey gun laws? How much of a dumb fuck must you be to not GET that?
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We need guns in Canada.
I thought the founding fathers in the USA already made it clear why this is an important right. Geez.
Whenever a gun death happens in Canada, some moron politician comes on the air and explains why more gun control is necessary. Fucking idiot - do you think people who KILL people with guns would obey gun laws? How much of a dumb fuck must you be to not GET that?
LMAO
so true
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We need guns in Canada.
I thought the founding fathers in the USA already made it clear why this is an important right. Geez.
Whenever a gun death happens in Canada, some moron politician comes on the air and explains why more gun control is necessary. Fucking idiot - do you think people who KILL people with guns would obey gun laws? How much of a dumb fuck must you be to not GET that?
You don't sound very Canadian to me. I thought Canadians were all good little socialists who love and trust their government to be a good parent and make all their decisions for them... why would they want nasty things like guns around? ::)
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nobody loves and trust their government ::)
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nobody loves and trust their government ::)
Socialists do! (we call them "democrats" in the US).
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Socialists do! (we call them "democrats" in the US).
Haha...agreed!
Mike
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Socialists do! (we call them "democrats" in the US).
In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary. The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!
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In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system
Bullshit.
For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.
and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary.
Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.). Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.
The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!
If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault. One thing is for sure... if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
beating your wife isn't a crime in Kentucky
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In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary. The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!
And, as far as all of these other, oh-so fabulous socialist health care plans...don't forget...then general tax base in these freaky countries is aroiund thge 70% range of your total icome...try seeing hoiw well that will float around here, keemosabe!
Mike
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Bullshit.
For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.
Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.). Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.
If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault. One thing is for sure... if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.
That's right.
I have no sympathy if yoiu are 40 years old and don't have $20 bucks for a co-pay.
You know what that means:
It means:
POOR CHOICES/ POOR PLANNING...can even mean that you are a LOSER and toi quit blaming everyone excepot yourself.
Mike
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We need guns in Canada.
I thought the founding fathers in the USA already made it clear why this is an important right. Geez.
Whenever a gun death happens in Canada, some moron politician comes on the air and explains why more gun control is necessary. Fucking idiot - do you think people who KILL people with guns would obey gun laws? How much of a dumb fuck must you be to not GET that?
In Australia we had the Port Arthur Massacre where 43 people were executed by a lone gunmen, A semi automatic rifle AK47.
The PrimeMinister of Australia banned all Semi automatic rifles and people handed in there weapons in the amnesty and were compensated.
Handguns are banned except under special circumstances (Sercurity,Police)
In Australia since this happened in 96 the death toll from guns is about 20 a year with a population of 21 Million people.
This argument people kill people not guns is nonsensical they have there fingers on the trigger.
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Bullshit.
For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.
Correct if you got the money for it!
Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.). Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.
Almost Correct but these figures are biased because of the unfair income system, a few earn a lot the rest does not
In the US insurance is a lot higher due to a) less competition between insurance companies and b) less insured people (if everybody needs to be insured than then the average costs is a lot lower than in the case it's voluntary. So yes your are taking more to home but the minute you are home you need to pay a lot more!
Research shows that in the last 20 years blue collar workers, and even white collar workers, in real terms had hardly any income rise.
If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault. One thing is for sure... if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.
Wrong, research shows that the American Dream is harder, perhaps not attainable, than it was 30 years ago. Furthermore, chances are higher for the american dream in Europe or China than in the US.
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That's right.
I have no sympathy if yoiu are 40 years old and don't have $20 bucks for a co-pay.
You know what that means:
It means:
POOR CHOICES/ POOR PLANNING...can even mean that you are a LOSER and toi quit blaming everyone excepot yourself.
Mike
Poor choices poor planning? I agree that one has responsibility for your own life but what if you got sick or are born with poor parents, no skill etc.. In the US chances are that you end up in shitty life, in 'socialist' countries we offer these people a good life!
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And, as far as all of these other, oh-so fabulous socialist health care plans...don't forget...then general tax base in these freaky countries is aroiund thge 70% range of your total icome...try seeing hoiw well that will float around here, keemosabe!
Mike
Wrong again. First it ain't around the 70% range. Second, there is a difference between nominal (the 70%) and effective rates. In the Netherland the highest nominal rate is 52%, however due to various tax exemptions the average rate is about 30-35% which include good health care! To give an example, a top notch insurance costs about 400 dollars a month for a family of 4 people! How much does it cost in the US??
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Wrong again. First it ain't around the 70% range. Second, there is a difference between nominal (the 70%) and effective rates. In the Netherland the highest nominal rate is 52%, however due to various tax exemptions the average rate is about 30-35% which include good health care! To give an example, a top notch insurance costs about 400 dollars a month for a family of 4 people! How much does it cost in the US??
I am a doctor.
I pay for myself and ENTIRE STAFF for 800 bucks per month. No co-pays.
Would you rather have your appendix removed in an outdoor cafe in calcutta? Or inb the sterile confines of Yale?
Quit your smoking, overeating, drinkjng, lack of exercise, etc., and we'd eliminate the fed health care deficit.
Nothing beats the US. Nothing.
And, In all fairness, I should be the first to bitch, being in health care myself.
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I am a doctor.
I pay for myself and ENTIRE STAFF for 800 bucks per month. No co-pays.
Would you rather have your appendix removed in an outdoor cafe in calcutta? Or inb the sterile confines of Yale?
Quit your smoking, overeating, drinkjng, lack of exercise, etc., and we'd eliminate the fed health care deficit.
Nothing beats the US. Nothing.
And, In all fairness, I should be the first to bitch, being in health care myself.
First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??
I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it! That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....
Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)
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First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??
No...it makes no difference
I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it!
It is YOUR CHOICE to afford it or not.
YOU are a product of yoiur actions. If you treat your body like shit for a lifetime, do not expect comfortrable, affordable healthcare.
That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....
I respectfully disagree, but you may have some valid points. I still say nothing beats the USA.
Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)
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sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
for you maybe ;D
bench
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First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??
PS: Never meant that I get A CHEAP policy...simnply that I make enough to afford a good one, AND REALIZE I'd rather had good policy versus $8 Latte's from Starbucks, Ipods and gas guzzling SUV's.
Mike
I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it! That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....
Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)