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It was one survey that was reported on.   There are others showing less, but still show that a majority of docs and taxpayers - HATE OBAMACARE.

Get over it - people hated obamacare in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 etc.  

There is no polishing this turd.  Its a horrible law from start to finish.

I know you are stupid.  You have proven it.  You don't have to continue to do so.  Sometimes it seems like you take it as a personal challenge to reach new levels.

But this entire beat down you are getting isn't over the % of docs that hate Obamacare.  It is over the % who are quitting.  Walking off their jobs.  Or so you claim.

Guess what?  100% of docs hate their malpractice insurance rates.  Does that mean 100% of docs are walking off their jobs to riot in the street simply because they HATE something?  No, it doesn't.  It is a complete different argument there.  You got your ass handed to you and tried to shift gears and deflect it onto a completely different subject in order to be "right".  FAIL

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I know you are stupid.  You have proven it.  You don't have to continue to do so.  Sometimes it seems like you take it as a personal challenge to reach new levels.

But this entire beat down you are getting isn't over the % of docs that hate Obamacare.  It is over the % who are quitting.  Walking off their jobs.  Or so you claim.

Guess what?  100% of docs hate their malpractice insurance rates.  Does that mean 100% of docs are walking off their jobs to riot in the street simply because they HATE something?  No, it doesn't.  It is a complete different argument there.  You got your ass handed to you and tried to shift gears and deflect it onto a completely different subject in order to be "right".  FAIL

I posted a survey that has been widely reported.   


Yeah, real fail for me.   ::)  ::)

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I asked that question because many in the GOP fought back on GWB w amnesty for illegals, harriet meirs, dubai ports, etc etc. 

The democratic party doesnt have a lot of independent thinkers i guess :)

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I posted a survey that has been widely reported.   


Yeah, real fail for me.   ::)  ::)


Bullshit is always widely reported.  Doesn't mean it is true.

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Bullshit is always widely reported.  Doesn't mean it is true.

So true so true - remember that thingy about Obama being the most intelligent person ever to become POTUS? 

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Yeah.  How many times did I say that again?  Remind me.... was it ZERO?

You can't attribute that lie to me. 

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romney said in 08 that it's because so many irresponsible people CHOOSE not to buy health insurance.

was he wrong about this?

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I posted a survey that has been widely reported.   


Yeah, real fail for me.   ::)  ::)

Dude be smarter than that. Just because its said over and over in the same circles doesnt make it accurate..
Please tell me you understand that? This shit gets tiring at times.. you just dont care.. you will Dumb out from sun up to sun down

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Dude be smarter than that. Just because its said over and over in the same circles doesnt make it accurate..
Please tell me you understand that? This shit gets tiring at times.. you just dont care.. you will Dumb out from sun up to sun down


Its one survey - there are others out there too.   Is 83% probably too high?  Sure.       

But almost every single pollfrom 2010 to the present date show that most docs, patients, and taxpayers absolutely hate obamacare.   

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We are not discussing your claim of how many docs hate obamacare.  We are discussing your claim of how many docs are quitting their jobs.

Two separate issues.  Stick to the one that you started this thread on.

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We are not discussing your claim of how many docs hate obamacare.  We are discussing your claim of how many docs are quitting their jobs.

Two separate issues.  Stick to the one that you started this thread on.

Read the headline fool.   

Does it say "WILL QUIT"? 


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romney is so much like obama, it's not funny.

when you hear repubs screaming "we have to STOP Obama, only romney can do that now!"

What the hell in romney's past makes you think he'll be any different?

he signed an anti-gun law.  he wrote obamacare and said it'd be great for the nation.  He said a woman has a right to kill an unborn child.

These aren't distortions of the leftist media - these are romney's actual positions for decades.  i guess it's like having your woman secretly work as a porn star for 25 years, get caught, a week later you're ready to open-mouth kiss her because "well, it beats being alone..."

Romney is the cocksweat of 10,000 men, after a nice spraying of fabreeze.  Enjoy it, you dipshits nominated him.

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Read the headline fool.   

Does it say "WILL QUIT"? 



That's like saying the issues is WILL HATE instead of WILL QUIT.

Does the headline contain a % number and the word QUIT?


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I posted a survey that has been widely reported.   


Yeah, real fail for me.   ::)  ::)

Its not fail for you.

SPIN COCK is just the norm for you.

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Virtually all physicians walked out of Obamacare session at national conference

Virtually all physicians walked out of Obamacare session at national conference

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Ophthalmologists from across the country walked out of a session on Obamacare Sunday during a national conference being held in San Francisco.
 
Twitchy reported ophthalmologist Dr. Kris Held sent live-tweets from the “Government relations” session on “implementing and complying with Obamacare,” saying virtually all the physicians walked out of the speech in disgust.


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ill give this a day before the real truth comes out... then youll say "but but but.. thats what was reported.. take it up with them"... ::)

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ill give this a day before the real truth comes out... then youll say "but but but.. thats what was reported.. take it up with them"... ::)

Keep staying in denial and delusion of the wreckage your two votes helped create -  FORWARD!!!!!



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Keep staying in denial and delusion of the wreckage your two votes helped create -  FORWARD!!!!!




ok... im just going by your track record

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ok... im just going by your track record

Go to the link. 





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Go to the link. 





i went... and i also checked the source  :o

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i went... and i also checked the source  :o

Yeah people at the place are all tweeting lies.  Got it   ::)  ::)

How does it feel knowing all the debt you racked up for a profession now destroyed by the scumbag you voted for TWICE! 

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the notion that doctors, especially self employed health practitioners, don't like Obamacare is not a big fucking secret you guys.  i have a bunch of clients that are doctors.  They all bitch about the same things.  the harder it is to get paid, the less lucrative the work becomes.

also 83% sounds really high.  thats why a lot of you are dismissing this number outright.  what you fail to understand is that these doctors are, for the most part, intelligent, highly educated people who can more easily make a transition into something else.  they don't have to leave the MEDICAL industry to make that change.  the danger is that they will pull out of the HEALTHCARE industry.  when the best and brightest have better options within the medical field other than healthcare, thats where the danger comes in. 


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How Government Killed the Medical Profession
 Reason ^ | Apr. 22, 2013 | Jeffrey A. Singer

Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:01:21 PM by neverdem

As health care gets more bureaucratic, will doctors go Galt?

I am a general surgeon with more than three decades in private clinical practice. And I am fed up. Since the late 1970s, I have witnessed remarkable technological revolutions in medicine, from CT scans to robot-assisted surgery. But I have also watched as medicine slowly evolved into the domain of technicians, bookkeepers, and clerks.

Government interventions over the past four decades have yielded a cascade of perverse incentives, bureaucratic diktats, and economic pressures that together are forcing doctors to sacrifice their independent professional medical judgment, and their integrity. The consequence is clear: Many doctors from my generation are exiting the field. Others are seeing their private practices threatened with bankruptcy, or are giving up their autonomy for the life of a shift-working hospital employee. Governments and hospital administrators hold all the power, while doctors—and worse still, patients—hold none.

The Coding Revolution

At first, the decay was subtle. In the 1980s, Medicare imposed price controls upon physicians who treated anyone over 65. Any provider wishing to get compensated was required to use International Statistical Classification of Diseases (ICD) and Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) codes to describe the service when submitting a bill. The designers of these systems believed that standardized classifications would lead to more accurate adjudication of Medicare claims.

What it actually did was force doctors to wedge their patients and their services into predetermined, ill-fitting categories. This approach resembled the command-and-control models used in the Soviet bloc and the People’s Republic of China, models that were already failing spectacularly by the end of the 1980s.

Before long, these codes were attached to a fee schedule based upon the amount of time a medical professional had to devote to each patient, a concept perilously close to another Marxist relic: the labor theory of value. Named the Resource-Based Relative Value System (RBRVS), each procedure code was assigned a specific value, by a panel of experts, based supposedly upon the amount of time and labor it required. It didn’t matter if an operation was being performed by a renowned surgical expert—perhaps the inventor of the procedure—or by a doctor just out of residency doing the operation for the first time. They both got paid the same.

Hospitals’ reimbursements for their Medicare-patient treatments were based on another coding system: the Diagnosis Related Group (DRG). Each diagnostic code is assigned a specific monetary value, and the hospital is paid based on one or a combination of diagnostic codes used to describe the reason for a patient’s hospitalization. If, say, the diagnosis is pneumonia, then the hospital is given a flat amount for that diagnosis, regardless of the amount of equipment, staffing, and days used to treat a particular patient.

As a result, the hospital is incentivized to attach as many adjunct diagnostic codes as possible to try to increase the Medicare payday. It is common for hospital coders to contact the attending physicians and try to coax them into adding a few more diagnoses into the hospital record.

Medicare has used these two price-setting systems (RBRVS for doctors, DRG for hospitals) to maintain its price control system for more than 20 years. Doctors and their advocacy associations cooperated, trading their professional latitude for the lure of maintaining monopoly control of the ICD and CPT codes that determine their payday. The goal of setting their own prices has proved elusive, though—every year the industry’s biggest trade group, the American Medical Association, squabbles with various medical specialty associations and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) over fees.

As goes Medicare, so goes the private insurance industry. Insurers, starting in the late 1980s, began the practice of using the Medicare fee schedule to serve as the basis for negotiation of compensation with the doctors and hospitals on their preferred provider lists. An insurance company might offer a hospital 130 percent of Medicare’s reimbursement for a specific procedure code, for instance.

The coding system was supposed to improve the accuracy of adjudicating claims submitted by doctors and hospitals to Medicare, and later to non-Medicare insurance companies. Instead, it gave doctors and hospitals an incentive to find ways of describing procedures and services with the cluster of codes that would yield the biggest payment. Sometimes this required the assistance of consulting firms. A cottage industry of fee-maximizing advisors and seminars bloomed.

I recall more than one occasion when I discovered at such a seminar that I was “undercoding” for procedures I routinely perform; a small tweak meant a bigger check for me. That fact encouraged me to keep one eye on the codes at all times, leaving less attention for my patients. Today, most doctors in private practice employ coding specialists, a relatively new occupation, to oversee their billing departments.

Another goal of the coding system was to provide Medicare, regulatory agencies, research organizations, and insurance companies with a standardized method of collecting epidemiological data—the information medical professionals use to track ailments across different regions and populations. However, the developers of the coding system did not anticipate the unintended consequence of linking the laudable goal of epidemiologic data mining with a system of financial reward.

This coding system leads inevitably to distortions in epidemiological data. Because doctors are required to come up with a diagnostic code on each bill submitted in order to get paid, they pick the code that comes closest to describing the patient’s problem while yielding maximum remuneration. The same process plays out when it comes to submitting procedure codes on bills. As a result, the accuracy of the data collected since the advent of compensation coding is suspect.

Command and Control

Coding was one of the earliest manifestations of the cancer consuming the medical profession, but the disease is much more broad-based and systemic. The root of the problem is that patients are not payers. Through myriad tax and regulatory policies adopted on the federal and state level, the system rarely sees a direct interaction between a consumer and a provider of a health care good or service. Instead, a third party—either a private insurance company or a government payer, such as Medicare or Medicaid—covers almost all the costs. According to the National Center for Policy Analysis, on average, the consumer pays only 12 percent of the total health care bill directly out of pocket. There is no incentive, through a market system with transparent prices, for either the provider or the consumer to be cost-effective.

As the third party payment system led health care costs to escalate, the people footing the bill have attempted to rein in costs with yet more command-and-control solutions. In the 1990s, private insurance carriers did this through a form of health plan called a health maintenance organization, or HMO. Strict oversight, rationing, and practice protocols were imposed on both physicians and patients. Both groups protested loudly. Eventually, most of these top-down regulations were set aside, and many HMOs were watered down into little more than expensive prepaid health plans.

Then, as the 1990s gave way to the 21st century, demographic reality caught up with Medicare and Medicaid, the two principal drivers of federal health care spending.

Twenty years after the fall of the Iron Curtain, protocols and regimentation were imposed on America’s physicians through a centralized bureaucracy. Using so-called “evidence-based medicine,” algorithms and protocols were based on statistically generalized, rather than individualized, outcomes in large population groups.

While all physicians appreciate the development of general approaches to the work-up and treatment of various illnesses and disorders, we also realize that everyone is an individual—that every protocol or algorithm is based on the average, typical case. We want to be able to use our knowledge, years of experience, and sometimes even our intuition to deal with each patient as a unique person while bearing in mind what the data and research reveal.

Being pressured into following a pre-determined set of protocols inhibits clinical judgment, especially when it comes to atypical problems. Some medical educators are concerned that excessive reliance on these protocols could make students less likely to recognize and deal with complicated clinical presentations that don’t follow standard patterns. It is easy to standardize treatment protocols. But it is difficult to standardize patients.

What began as guidelines eventually grew into requirements. In order for hospitals to maintain their Medicare certification, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services began to require their medical staff to follow these protocols or face financial retribution.

Once again, the medical profession cooperated. The American College of Surgeons helped develop Surgical Care Improvement Project (SCIP) protocols, directing surgeons as to what antibiotics they may use and the day-to-day post-operative decisions they must make. If a surgeon deviates from the guidelines, he is usually required to document in the medical record an acceptable justification for that decision.

These requirements have consequences. On more than one occasion I have seen patients develop dramatic postoperative bruising and bleeding because of protocol-mandated therapies aimed at preventing the development of blood clots in the legs after surgery. Had these therapies been left up to the clinical judgment of the surgeon, many of these patients might not have had the complication.

Operating room and endoscopy suites now must follow protocols developed by the global World Health Organization—an even more remote agency. There are protocols for cardiac catheterization, stenting, and respirator management, just to name a few.

Patients should worry about doctors trying to make symptoms fit into a standardized clinical model and ignoring the vital nuances of their complaints. Even more, they should be alarmed that the protocols being used don’t provide any measurable health benefits. Most were designed and implemented before any objective evidence existed as to their effectiveness.

A large Veterans Administration study released in March 2011 showed that SCIP protocols led to no improvement in surgical-site infection rate. If past is prologue, we should not expect the SCIP protocols to be repealed, just “improved”—or expanded, adding to the already existing glut.

These rules are being bred into the system. Young doctors and medical students are being trained to follow protocol. To them, command and control is normal. But to older physicians who have lived through the decline of medical culture, this only contributes to our angst.

One of my colleagues, a noted pulmonologist with over 30 years’ experience, fears that teaching young physicians to follow guidelines and practice protocols discourages creative medical thinking and may lead to a decrease in diagnostic and therapeutic excellence. He laments that “ ‘evidence-based’ means you are not interested in listening to anyone.” Another colleague, a North Phoenix orthopedist of many years, decries the “cookie-cutter” approach mandated by protocols.

A noted gastroenterologist who has practiced more than 35 years has a more cynical take on things. He believes that the increased regimentation and regularization of medicine is a prelude to the replacement of physicians by nurse practitioners and physician-assistants, and that these people will be even more likely to follow the directives proclaimed by regulatory bureaus. It is true that, in many cases, routine medical problems can be handled more cheaply and efficiently by paraprofessionals. But these practitioners are also limited by depth of knowledge, understanding, and experience. Patients should be able to decide for themselves if they want to be seen by a doctor. It is increasingly rare that patients are given a choice about such things.

The partners in my practice all believe that protocols and guidelines will accomplish nothing more than giving us more work to do and more rules to comply with. But they implore me to keep my mouth shut—rather than risk angering hospital administrators, insurance company executives, and the other powerful entities that control our fates.

Electronic Records and Financial Burdens

When Congress passed the stimulus, a.k.a. the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009, it included a requirement that all physicians and hospitals convert to electronic medical records (EMR) by 2014 or face Medicare reimbursement penalties. There has never been a peer-reviewed study clearly demonstrating that requiring all doctors and hospitals to switch to electronic records will decrease error and increase efficiency, but that didn’t stop Washington policymakers from repeating that claim over and over again in advance of the stimulus.

Some institutions, such as Kaiser Permanente Health Systems, the Mayo Clinic, and the Veterans Administration Hospitals, have seen big benefits after going digital voluntarily. But if the same benefits could reasonably be expected to play out universally, government coercion would not be needed.

Instead, Congress made that business decision on behalf of thousands of doctors and hospitals, who must now spend huge sums on the purchase of EMR systems and take staff off other important jobs to task them with entering thousands of old-style paper medical records into the new database. For a period of weeks or months after the new system is in place, doctors must see fewer patients as they adapt to the demands of the technology.

The persistence of price controls has coincided with a steady ratcheting down of fees for doctors. As a result, private insurance payments, which are typically pegged to Medicare payment schedules, have been ratcheting down as well. Meanwhile, Medicare’s regulatory burdens on physician practices continue to increase, adding on compliance costs. Medicare continues to demand that specific coded services be redefined and subdivided into ever-increasing levels of complexity. Harsh penalties are imposed on providers who accidentally use the wrong level code to bill for a service. Sometimes—as in the case of John Natale of Arlington, Illinois, who began a 10-month sentence in November because he miscoded bills on five patients upon whom he repaired complicated abdominal aortic aneurysms—the penalty can even include prison.

For many physicians in private practice, the EMR requirement is the final straw. Doctors are increasingly selling their practices to hospitals, thus becoming hospital employees. This allows them to offload the high costs of regulatory compliance and converting to EMR.

As doctors become shift workers, they work less intensely and watch the clock much more than they did when they were in private practice. Additionally, the doctor-patient relationship is adversely affected as doctors come to increasingly view their customers as the hospitals’ patients rather than their own.


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Docs resisting ObamaCare

By Carl Campanile

October 29, 2013 | 5:23am
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Docs resisting ObamaCare

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New York doctors are treating ObamaCare like the plague, a new survey reveals.

A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan.

Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers.

Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges.

“This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

Three out of four doctors who are participating in the program said they “had to participate” because of existing contractual obligations with an insurer or medical provider, not because they wanted to.

Only one in four “affirmatively” chose to sign up for the exchanges.

Nearly eight in 10 — 77 percent — said they had not been given a fee schedule to show much they’ll get paid if they sign up.

The survey invited doctors to anonymously share opinions about the new health care law, and many took time out of their busy days to vent.

“Obama Care wants to start right away, but who see all these new patients???? Not me,” e-mailed one doc.

Another said, “I plan to retire if this disaster is implemented. This is a train wreck.”

“I refuse to participate in the exchange plans! I am completely opposed to this new law,” said a third respondent.

One doctor recycled the mantra used to attack addictions: “The solution is simple: Just say no.”

One physician was so disgusted, he threatened to taken only cash patients going forward.

“I am seriously considering opting out of all insurance plans including Medicare because of [ObamaCare].”

Some physicians said the pressure on insurance carriers to control costs is leading to rationed care.

“OBAMACARE is a disaster. I have already seen denial of medication, denial of referrals,” one doc said.

And they worry that stingy payments for medical services offered by insurers could put some doctors out of business and force others into retirement.

“Any doctor who accepts the exchange is just a bad businessman/woman. Pays terrible,” argued one doctor.

Said another MD, “Can’t imagine any doctors would be willing to work for so little money? All doctors should boycott.”

Doctors complained they’ve gotten the shaft for years even before ObamaCare.

“I get screwed from insurance companies already. I refuse to get screwed any longer,” one doctor said.

Others said they don’t have enough information to make an informed choice.

“This is a joke. We are flying blind,” said one doctor.


http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/docs-resisting-obamacare




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