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In all sports Ive watched. I can only think of one athlete who was simply godlike in his abilities, and literally surpassed his hype, and that's Michael Jordan.Whenever his team had the equal or best record in the playoffs, they won.Jordan raised his scoring in the playoffs and took his game to next level, remaining the best u til he retired from the bulls.
bolt has been disappointing since his world record, seemingly coasting on natural abilities
Federer has lost his advantage whenever nadal , murray and dkokovic raised their game
Don't know enough about Gretzky , but from what I've read a peak Lemoiux was just as good
Babe Ruth played with stiffs, some fat dude in the twenties being the best, come on
Anyone who is being real watching football (soccer) knows its way too much of a team game for one player to dominate, sans short spells from pele, maradonna and messi
Bubka was dominant so I read,maybe someone can clarify but its a simple sport of planting a pole and launching, sure it's difficult to attain but I can see why someone can master it and be dominant
F1 is all down to the car
Ali lost too many times to make a case, same with Robinson
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Kobe and LeBron also lived up the hype.
Tiger Woods too other than during his post-divorce slump.
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Your post is a complete joke. Ever heard of Lebron James, or is he also a failure?
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Mike Trout is off to an incredible start.
And yeah, Woods and Lebron.
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You could probably add Tommy Brookens from the '84 Detroit Tigers to that list
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Kobe and LeBron also lived up the hype.
Tiger Woods too other than during his post-divorce slump.
Lol no, Lebron got to the finals then average like 20 ppg on 35% against the spurs and lost.the next time he got to the finals he averaged around 18ppg on 35% getting shut down by a 40 yr old Jason Kidd and scrub Stephenson and lost again.He needed to team with up with 2 other first options in free agency to win anything.Going 2-2 in NBA finals against teams that arnt even classed as legendary is shit.
Kobe?these are the players Kobe has played with in his career, and he only has 5 titles?
Nash\van exel\gary Payton
Eddie jones\ Mitch Richmond
Lamar odom\ Glenn rice\antwan Jamison \artest\ariza
Malone\gasol\rodman\horry\horace grant
Shaq\howard\bynum
the lakers have underachieved with all the talent they brought in, and thats largely due to Bryant completely sucking balls when his game isn't on, if he isn't scoring then he is a non factor.give a 26+ old Jordan those teammates until he retires and its 8+ championships.If Kobe was on the bucks he'd just be another dominique Wilkins.
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Ronnie Coleman was pretty close, too bad he couldn't break Lee Haney's record.
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Lol no, Lebron got to the finals then average like 20 ppg on 35% against the spurs and lost.the next time he got to the finals he averaged around 18ppg on 35% getting shut down by a 40 yr old Jason Kidd and scrub Stephenson.Going 2-2 in NBA finals against teams that arnt even classed as legendary is shit.
Kobe?these are the players Kobe has played with in his career, and he only has 5 titles?
Nash\van exel\gary Payton
Eddie jones\ Mitch Richmond
Lamar odom\ Glenn rice\antwan Jamison \artest\ariza
Malone\gasol\rodman\horry\horace grant
Shaq\howard\bynum
the lakers have underachieved with all the talent they brought in, and thats largely due to Bryant completely sucking balls when his game isn't on, if he isn't scoring then he is a non factor.give a 26+ old Jordan those teammates until he retires and its 8+ championships.If Kobe was on the bucks he'd just be another dominique Wilkins.
Lebron was recruited out of high school and is one of the highest paid and best-performing athletes in the NBA, witness his being bought out from one team to another. Kobe held the Lakers afloat as a one man tour de force. Focusing on one bad season or the fact that some other guy from 20 years ago had more trophies is basically a red herring.
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I would say Barry Sanders was one of the best atheletes I ever saw.
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Jordan wasnt what you make him out to be you cant compare individual sports with team sports jordan had the best team around him that helps a lot.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Here is a list of Jordan's teammates, tell anybody that belongs as a starter on any other team except pippin? ::)
http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/teammates.htm
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Sugar Ray Robinson
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Bo knows
(http://www.vpfunworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/bo.jpg)
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I think a case could still be made for Ali, if we acknowledge that he simply fought past his prime, all of the real loses came in a narrow block when he was well up in boxing years.
Robinson is well deserving of his status too, simply because of the era and number of fights. There are huge blocks of time were he was fighting decent fighters literally every week or two, and manages around a 86% victor rate in those fights, Also like Ali, the majority of the losses come late in boxing life (mainly in 1965), which was his 25th year in boxing.
Marciano is certainly legacy worthy too.
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Never cared about Jordan nor his shoes that Hebrews and stupid white guys go crazy after
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Here is a list of Jordan's teammates, tell anybody that belongs as a starter on any other team except pippin? ::)
http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/teammates.htm
This.On an individual talent basis Kobes teammates are about 1000 leagues above Jordans.
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for a skinny rag doll of a guy Gretzky accomplished amazing things
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for a skinny rag doll of a guy Gretzky accomplished amazing things
Don't know too much about him, how many times was he MVP?how many championships?was he far and away the best player in the league for 10+ years?
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Tom Brady. Drafter very low nobody expected much, I'd say he's a good example.
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for a skinny rag doll of a guy Gretzky accomplished amazing things
No doubt about it.
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Mike Trout is off to an incredible start.
And yeah, Woods and Lebron.
Yes sir!
angels baseball ftw
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Bo knows
(http://www.vpfunworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/bo.jpg)
The Prostars Trifecta of Jordan, Jackson and Gretzky all lived up to all the hype. ;)
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Walter payton
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A young Tyson under Rooney and D'Amato was impressive.
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Bo knows
(http://www.vpfunworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/bo.jpg)
Yup, beat me too it.
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A young Tyson under Rooney and D'Amato was impressive.
Whoah!! Nostalgia setting in! Good to see ya runnin it back man and yes, I'm thinkin there never was a man more deserving of the phenom moniker. Melted confidence with his entrance and stare down. Took manhood with his skills......AS A TEEN!!
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Don't know too much about him, how many times was he MVP?how many championships?was he far and away the best player in the league for 10+ years?
Wayne Gretzky was the most dominant player in any team sport ever. Far more dominant than Jordan.
Mario Lemieux was not better than WG, and Bobby Orr is the second greatest hockey player ever.
Gretzky has set scoring records that (without a major rule change) will never be broken.
He has more assists than the next person in the All-Time scoring list has total points.
In his prime that guy didn't put up nice scoring numbers...he put up numbers that looked like bowling averages. Yet he was about 5'-11" and 165 lbs soaking wet.
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Almost impossible to compare team players. It took Jordan a good number of years to win a title and he certainly didn't do it on his own. The simple fact of having Jackson on the bench was already a big plus. Individual sports: sure, Bubka was dominant but so has been Edwin Moses, Abebe Bikila and a bunch of others. I'd have to go with Ray Sugar Robinson. His record at some point was 127W-1L-2D. Unreal and those were tough fighters back then, fighting every other week.
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for a skinny rag doll of a guy Gretzky accomplished amazing things
Gretzky looked like he was playing around with the rest of the NHL. His dominance was unparalleled in sport, IMHO.
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Tom Brady. Drafter very low nobody expected much, I'd say he's a good example.
He's not a good example - By your ow definition he didn't have any hype.
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He's not a good example - By your ow definition he didn't have any hype.
I guess he surpassed the very limited hype.
xfactor is kind of right.
but not on purpose.
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Lol no, Lebron got to the finals then average like 20 ppg on 35% against the spurs and lost.the next time he got to the finals he averaged around 18ppg on 35% getting shut down by a 40 yr old Jason Kidd and scrub Stephenson and lost again.He needed to team with up with 2 other first options in free agency to win anything.Going 2-2 in NBA finals against teams that arnt even classed as legendary is shit.
Kobe?these are the players Kobe has played with in his career, and he only has 5 titles?
This is a ridiculous argument. Lebron was hyped as being one of the potentiallyf greatest players ever. And now he is considered the best in the league and on his way to being one of the best ever. Of course he's living up to the hype. Dissecting individual games or putting you own negative context on it doesn't change that.
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I guess he surpassed the very limited hype.
xfactor is kind of right.
but not on purpose.
He had zero pre NFL hype. If he threw one career TD he would have surpassed it.
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He had zero pre NFL hype. If he threw one career TD he would have surpassed it.
I did mention it was very limited :)
now the only thing bigger than his ego are the coc
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English guys who know too much about American sports are very suspicious individuals.
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Wayne Gretzky was the most dominant player in any team sport ever. Far more dominant than Jordan.
Mario Lemieux was not better than WG, and Bobby Orr is the second greatest hockey player ever.
Gretzky has set scoring records that (without a major rule change) will never be broken.
He has more assists than the next person in the All-Time scoring list has total points.
In his prime that guy didn't put up nice scoring numbers...he put up numbers that looked like bowling averages. Yet he was about 5'-11" and 165 lbs soaking wet.
He was given the nickname of the "great one" at age 9....
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English guys who know too much about American sports are very suspicious individuals.
Football is the Universe's sport.
The real football btw, the American variety :)
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English guys who know too much about American sports are very suspicious individuals.
Are you implying that Getbig might be hosting a few chaps who think as themselves as brutally heterosexual and are quick to switch from a Premier League game to an NBA one 'cause those scantily clad ballers play a much more masculine sport?
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Bolt has done this with ease
as has Phil 'The Power' Taylor
;D
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Football is the Universe's sport.
The real football btw, the American variety :)
Maybe my friend, but Army of One doesn't just 'happen' upon the sports that are filled with 90% big black men with very loose shorts
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Wayne Gretzky - obvious
Walter Payton - same, never underperformed
Leo Messi has surpassed the hype (remember when he first arrived on the scene people thought he would be great - now, year in year out he continues to amaze)
Cristiano Ronaldo - as much as I don't like him, nobody ever thought he would surpass the initial hype he got when he joined Man Utd
Mike Tyson - I'm his biggest fan (during that early run he had, best heavyweight ever) BUT he didn't live up to the hype. He was supposed to become the most successful boxer of all time but he didn't, his career effectively ended after the Michael Spinks fight.
What about those who never lived up to the hype?
Braylon Edwards? Ryan Leaf? Francis Jeffers? Freddy Adu?
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Bolt has done this with ease
as has Phil 'The Power' Taylor
;D
Hahaha yes The Power is a legend
Not too sure about the number of kisses Adrian The Jackpot Lewis is giving out in between sets though :-X
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Lol no, Lebron got to the finals then average like 20 ppg on 35% against the spurs and lost.the next time he got to the finals he averaged around 18ppg on 35% getting shut down by a 40 yr old Jason Kidd and scrub Stephenson and lost again.He needed to team with up with 2 other first options in free agency to win anything.Going 2-2 in NBA finals against teams that arnt even classed as legendary is shit.
Kobe?these are the players Kobe has played with in his career, and he only has 5 titles?
Nash\van exel\gary Payton
Eddie jones\ Mitch Richmond
Lamar odom\ Glenn rice\antwan Jamison \artest\ariza
Malone\gasol\rodman\horry\horace grant
Shaq\howard\bynum
the lakers have underachieved with all the talent they brought in, and thats largely due to Bryant completely sucking balls when his game isn't on, if he isn't scoring then he is a non factor.give a 26+ old Jordan those teammates until he retires and its 8+ championships.If Kobe was on the bucks he'd just be another dominique Wilkins.
Great post. I agree with most of it. I cannot comment on Lebron yet, his not even 30 yet.
But Kobe being another Dominique Wilkins is spot on.
Jordan was definitely a freak, huge ball hog too, I remember they used to air Chicago bull games on Australian TV, I would watch the full game, then you realise the NBA is a great marketing machine, they put together a 50 second highlight reel of Jordan doing circus shots, buzzer beaters, dunks in traffic and swishing 3's from 33 feet.
Then you watch the full game and you see he was stoppable,
I remember Vernon Maxwell stopping him one on one, he just demanded the ball enough to keep trying...if that was another player they would be benched. (same as Kobe)
But Jordan was amazing, 6 championships proves that.
Lebron is timid, if he just fucked off twitter and focused on being a on being great he could score 50 a game, physically his amazing. Lebron is not as selfish as Jordan, if he was, I think we would see a better player.
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Leo Messi has surpassed the hype (remember when he first arrived on the scene people thought he would be great - now, year in year out he continues to amaze)
Messi hasn't surpassed the hype somehow. He's been contending for "the best player ever title" for a few years now. Yet, he has underperformed with the Argentina team for now.
If he doesn't win a world cup before he retires, this will stick.
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Maybe my friend, but Army of One doesn't just 'happen' upon the sports that are filled with 90% big black men with very loose shorts
All I'm trying to say is that any sport with a median gear use that is shy of a gram a week isn't really a sport at all.
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Wayne Gretzky - obvious
Walter Payton - same, never underperformed
Leo Messi has surpassed the hype (remember when he first arrived on the scene people thought he would be great - now, year in year out he continues to amaze)
Cristiano Ronaldo - as much as I don't like him, nobody ever thought he would surpass the initial hype he got when he joined Man Utd
Mike Tyson - I'm his biggest fan (during that early run he had, best heavyweight ever) BUT he didn't live up to the hype. He was supposed to become the most successful boxer of all time but he didn't, his career effectively ended after the Michael Spinks fight.
What about those who never lived up to the hype?
Braylon Edwards? Ryan Leaf? Francis Jeffers? Freddy Adu?
Mike Tyson is so lucky his fights were filmed.
he was thermo-nuclear but his prime was short lived, but it was against bums and no names. Marketing machine at its best.
Mike tysons name will outlast Floyd mayweathers name, Floyd's fight are boring, Tyson would have boring fights too then he would deliver that knockout punch everybody was waiting for. you could make a highlight reel of Derrick Coleman, doing massive dunks, hitting 3's , blocking shots, post moves, hook shots and it would make you believe he was the best power forward ever.. he was not even top 20. Its all about highlight reels.
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No one will ever touch Gretzky. He is as dominant (relative to any peer who played in the NHL) as you will find in the big 4 sports.
Lemieux had one year (and only one year) where he started sniffing Gretzky numbers. Gretzky holds records for most goals in a season, most assists in a season, and is the only man to have scored over 200 pts in a season (he did it 4 times).
Gretzky has more career assists than anyone else has career points.
Gretzky was the fastest man to 1000 points. He's also the second fastest man to score 1000 points again (and no one else has ever scored 2000 points).
He was easily the most dominant hockey player of all time. No one even comes close. He was hyped as a kid, for sure. But no one would have ever picked that kind of sheer dominance.
You could say his teammates in Edmonton made him great (they surely did....Coffey, Fuhr, Messier, Anderson, Kurri....all HOF'ers). But then, one need only look at what Gretzky did for Bernie Nicholls in L.A. to see that truly, he made everyone around him great. He took the Kings, a perennial basement dwelling team that was forgotten after the Flames/Oilers rivalries in the Smythe division at the time, and made them true contenders for the cup.
Gretzky is the single greatest and most dominant athlete the big four sports have ever seen.
Ruth and Bonds were great, but not THAT much greater than their peers, when you compare Gretzky to Lemieux or Orr (the only two hockey players one might think to compare to Gretzky). Gherig, Foxx, Cobb, and Williams...all very dominant players who could have laid claim to being GOATS. And even if you don't agree with me on the runners-up (Williams, Gherig, etc....), you can at least agree that Bonds was a modern-day Ruth (statistically speaking) and therefore, Ruth truly can't be a run-away, far-and-away GOAT, because Bond's modern-day numbers are so close to what Ruth did. So clearly, Ruth is not the run-away dominant force in baseball, because Bonds is right there with him.
You could say Jordan was great (and he certainly was), but was he that much better than Wilt Chamberlain? I don't think so. Chamberlain was truly a masterfully dominant force in the NBA without peer...arguments could be made that he was more dominant than Jordan during his time period, but I'll let basketball afficianados argue that.
In football, it's so tough to argue sheer dominance due to the very selective nature of each position and how much each position is allowed to impact all parts of a game. If we only looked at skill positions, I would say Jerry Rice is the most dominant player of all time at his position. He is so many light years ahead of the Chris Carters, Marvin Harrisons and Tim Browns of the world. There has never been a skill position in football that has had its record books so dominantly re-written, when we look at what Jerry Rice did.
So, in my humble opinion, there have been 2 truly game-changing players in the big 4 sports that have been supremely dominant over their peer group so as to truly be called the greatest of all time:
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Jerry Rice
I would not put Jordan in that elite two-some. Wilt Chamberlain lays too great a claim to being basketball's GOAT, in my opinion, to count Jordan as being far and away the most dominant player in his sport, the way Gretzky and Jerry Rice were.
My two cents. I'm sure I'll get lit up here!
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You could say Jordan was great (and he certainly was), but was he that much better than Wilt Chamberlain? I don't think so. Chamberlain was truly a masterfully dominant force in the NBA without peer...arguments could be made that he was more dominant than Jordan during his time period, but I'll let basketball afficianados argue that.
I would not put Jordan in that elite two-some. Wilt Chamberlain lays too great a claim to being basketball's GOAT, in my opinion, to count Jordan as being far and away the most dominant player in his sport, the way Gretzky and Jerry Rice were.
My two cents. I'm sure I'll get lit up here!
I wont light you up, but have to disagree.
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No one will ever touch Gretzky. He is as dominant (relative to any peer who played in the NHL) as you will find in the big 4 sports.
Lemieux had one year (and only one year) where he started sniffing Gretzky numbers. Gretzky holds records for most goals in a season, most assists in a season, and is the only man to have scored over 200 pts in a season (he did it 4 times).
Gretzky has more career assists than anyone else has career points.
Gretzky was the fastest man to 1000 points. He's also the second fastest man to score 1000 points again (and no one else has ever scored 2000 points).
He was easily the most dominant hockey player of all time. No one even comes close. He was hyped as a kid, for sure. But no one would have ever picked that kind of sheer dominance.
You could say his teammates in Edmonton made him great (they surely did....Coffey, Fuhr, Messier, Anderson, Kurri....all HOF'ers). But then, one need only look at what Gretzky did for Bernie Nicholls in L.A. to see that truly, he made everyone around him great. He took the Kings, a perennial basement dwelling team that was forgotten after the Flames/Oilers rivalries in the Smythe division at the time, and made them true contenders for the cup.
Gretzky is the single greatest and most dominant athlete the big four sports have ever seen.
Ruth and Bonds were great, but not THAT much greater than their peers, when you compare Gretzky to Lemieux or Orr (the only two hockey players one might think to compare to Gretzky). Gherig, Foxx, Cobb, and Williams...all very dominant players who could have laid claim to being GOATS. And even if you don't agree with me on the runners-up (Williams, Gherig, etc....), you can at least agree that Bonds was a modern-day Ruth (statistically speaking) and therefore, Ruth truly can't be a run-away, far-and-away GOAT, because Bond's modern-day numbers are so close to what Ruth did. So clearly, Ruth is not the run-away dominant force in baseball, because Bonds is right there with him.
You could say Jordan was great (and he certainly was), but was he that much better than Wilt Chamberlain? I don't think so. Chamberlain was truly a masterfully dominant force in the NBA without peer...arguments could be made that he was more dominant than Jordan during his time period, but I'll let basketball afficianados argue that.
In football, it's so tough to argue sheer dominance due to the very selective nature of each position and how much each position is allowed to impact all parts of a game. If we only looked at skill positions, I would say Jerry Rice is the most dominant player of all time at his position. He is so many light years ahead of the Chris Carters, Marvin Harrisons and Tim Browns of the world. There has never been a skill position in football that has had its record books so dominantly re-written, when we look at what Jerry Rice did.
So, in my humble opinion, there have been 2 truly game-changing players in the big 4 sports that have been supremely dominant over their peer group so as to truly be called the greatest of all time:
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Jerry Rice
I would not put Jordan in that elite two-some. Wilt Chamberlain lays too great a claim to being basketball's GOAT, in my opinion, to count Jordan as being far and away the most dominant player in his sport, the way Gretzky and Jerry Rice were.
My two cents. I'm sure I'll get lit up here!
As freaky as Gretzkys numbers are...
Babe Ruth's 90+ wins as a pitcher and 714 home runs is THE most unbreakable career stat in all of sports.
We'll all be dead and buried and nobody will ever have come close to it.
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Jordan
Pele
Gretzky
Jackie Robinson
Tiger
Joe Montana
Payton
Klose
Ronaldo (Brazilian)
Zidane
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Jordan
Pele
Gretzky
Jackie Robinson
Tiger
Joe Montana
Payton
Klose
Ronaldo (Brazilian)
Zidane
Zidane (and I'm French) was never that dominant. Not in the way Pelé or Maradona were and not even like prime time (before knee injuries) Ronaldo was.
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Lawrence Taylor you dimwits >:(
2nd choice in the draft and changed the game.
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Lawrence Taylor you dimwits >:(
2nd choice in the draft and changed the game.
Overcame a Boston Crab submission hold and headbutt from the top ropes to beat Bam Bam Bigelow at Wrestlemania as well.
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English guys who know too much about American sports are very suspicious individuals.
I've noticed.
Army of Cum is apparently a Brit yet is alarmingly knowledgeable about American Sports.
Think we might have an undercover Yank in our mists. Possibly a spy. :o
Get him!! >:(
;D
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I've noticed.
Army of Cum is apparently a Brit yet is alarmingly knowledgeable about American Sports.
Think we might have an undercover Yank in our mists. Possibly a spy. :o
Get him!! >:(
;D
Yes, he's a very suspicious individual to say the least.
When he used to post as db2341 years back, he came across as a Yank and never mentioned the U.K. at all, now he says he's from up the road to me?
Maybe he's trying to throw the authorities off the scent
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Many have.
Jamarcus Russell
Greg Oden
Ryan Leaf
Samuel Dalambert
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Overcame a Boston Crab submission hold and headbutt from the top ropes to beat Bam Bam Bigelow at Wrestlemania as well.
Lol ;D
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Many have.
Jamarcus Russell
Greg Oden
Ryan Leaf
Samuel Dalambert
You can add Tony Mandarich to that illustrious list.
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Mike Trout is off to an incredible start.
Mike Trout is, and will continue to be, the man.
I was curious about his hype so I see that Trout was drafted 25th overall in 2009 (with the Angels' compensation pick from the Yankees for NY signing Mark Teixeira ... I hope Trout can go his whole career without wearing Yankee pinstripes haha.)
Before the 2010 season, Trout was considered the Angels' 3rd best prospect and 85th in all of baseball by Baseball America. He climbed to the top of the prospects list months later.
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Mike Trout is, and will continue to be, the man.
I was curious about his hype so I looked this up ...
Trout was drafted 25th overall in 2009 ... with the Angels' compensation pick from the Yankees for NY signing Mark Teixeira ... I hope Trout can go his whole career without wearing Yankee pinstripes haha.
Before the 2010 season, Trout was considered the Angels' 3rd best prospect and 85th in all of baseball by Baseball America. He climbed to the top of the prospects list months later.
Yet the money given to Hamilton and Pujols who is a liar about his true age will make it hard for the Angels to give Trout what he's worth on the market.
Pujols is closer to 40 but claims to be in his early 30's.
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Yet the money given to Hamilton and Pujols who is a liar about his true age will make it hard for the Angels to give Trout what he's worth on the market.
Pujols is closer to 40 but claims to be in his early 30's.
also, Pujols probably went off the sauce after signing his big contract with the Angels.
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In all sports Ive watched. I can only think of one athlete who was simply godlike in his abilities, and literally surpassed his hype, and that's Michael Jordan.Whenever his team had the equal or best record in the playoffs, they won.Jordan raised his scoring in the playoffs and took his game to next level, remaining the best u til he retired from the bulls.
bolt has been disappointing since his world record, seemingly coasting on natural abilities
Federer has lost his advantage whenever nadal , murray and dkokovic raised their game
Don't know enough about Gretzky , but from what I've read a peak Lemoiux was just as good
Babe Ruth played with stiffs, some fat dude in the twenties being the best, come on
Anyone who is being real watching football (soccer) knows its way too much of a team game for one player to dominate, sans short spells from pele, maradonna and messi
Bubka was dominant so I read,maybe someone can clarify but its a simple sport of planting a pole and launching, sure it's difficult to attain but I can see why someone can master it and be dominant
F1 is all down to the car
Ali lost too many times to make a case, same with Robinson
babe ruth, jimmy brown, wilt chamberlain,oscar robertson,barry bonds,hank aaron, willie mays, jimmy foxx,derek jeter,yogi berra,bill russell just to name a few
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How about Federer?
Eddy Merckx?
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Money mayweather?
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comparing kobe's era and jordans era is apples & oranges.
it's a different game now. all flash and no defense.
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Jordan didn't have a huge amount of hype actually.
He was a really good player in college but he wasn't "Michael Jordan" yet. Nobody was predicting he would go on to be the best player in the history of the game.
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comparing kobe's era and jordans era is apples & oranges.
it's a different game now. all flash and no defense.
It actually started with Jordan's era and only got worst. Actually, it was the league's desire to protect Jordan and promote a more offense oriented approach that led them to have refs whistling for nothing. They got tired of the Pistons winning the way they did. The pussification of the NBA started then.
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Messi hasn't surpassed the hype somehow. He's been contending for "the best player ever title" for a few years now. Yet, he has underperformed with the Argentina team for now.
If he doesn't win a world cup before he retires, this will stick.
Yeah that's a good point I never really think of Messi and Argentina, he should've just played for Spain...
But at the same time, I've found that international football has become very strange in the last ten years or so. Not sure what it is but players just don't seem to perform for their countries like they do their club (could be the ridiculous wages). There have been no stand out players at the last few major tournaments - not since Ronaldo in 2002 anyway. Messi like you mentioned is an example but also Cristiano Ronaldo, Ronaldinho when he was on form years ago never played well at world cups. Teams like France, Italy, Argentina, Brazil have just disappeared.
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Jordan didn't have a huge amount of hype actually.
He was a really good player in college but he wasn't "Michael Jordan" yet. Nobody was predicting he would go on to be the best player in the history of the game.
Nobody can predict that while a player is in college. But make no mistake, Jordan had a lot of hype. He was the 3rd pick in the draft. After a handful of games, he was the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie. He was so good and popular that many NBA veterans were jealous of him. A lot of players phased him out during his first all star game and refused to pass him the ball.
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Bo Jackson. Jordan was given a gift to play single A baseball. He sucked dick.
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Nobody can predict that while a player is in college. But make no mistake, Jordan had a lot of hype. He was the 3rd pick in the draft. After a handful of games, he was the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie. He was so good and popular that many NBA veterans were jealous of him. A lot of players phased him out during his first all star game and refused to pass him the ball.
You can't say "after a handful of games, he was the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie" and call it hype. He was popular early on because it was quite evident he was the most exciting and maybe already most talented player in the league. That's not hype, that's just playing good. He had no more hype coming into the league than any other high draft pick gets every year, outside of LeBron and perhaps Wilt Chamberlain (I wasn't alive back then).
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Ayrton Senna
Sebastien Loeb
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You can't say "after a handful of games, he was the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie" and call it hype. He was popular early on because it was quite evident he was the most exciting and maybe already most talented player in the league. That's not hype, that's just playing good. He had no more hype coming into the league than any other high draft pick gets every year, outside of LeBron and perhaps Wilt Chamberlain (I wasn't alive back then).
I just meant that it only took a small amount of games during his first year played before the mega hype began to build. I disagree about Jordan not having a lot of hype before he came to the NBA. There were expectations of his ability to translate well on the NBA level. He played three years at North Carolina and it was pretty apparent that he was special. Which makes drafting Sam Bowie ahead of him all the more laughable. But those two teams wanted big men instead of drafting a guard.
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I just meant that it only took a small amount of games during his first year played before the mega hype began to build. I disagree about Jordan not having a lot of hype before he came to the NBA. He played three years at North Carolina and it was pretty apparent that he was special. Which makes drafting Sam Bowie ahead of him all the more laughable.
The only person able to keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Dean Smith.
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The only person able to keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Dean Smith.
My feelings exactly. When he was a rookie in the NBA he was a one man show. He averaged over 42 minutes a game and put up crazy numbers. At NC he played on a stacked team with Worthy and Perkins and didn't play as many minutes. But it was apparent that when he played, he had special talent. If Dean Smith would've allowed Jordan to play outside of his scheme and create his own shot more, his hype would've exploded even more before the draft. And if the Bulls were drafting #1 that year, they still would've taken Jordan.
Just my opinion.
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You can't say "after a handful of games, he was the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie" and call it hype. He was popular early on because it was quite evident he was the most exciting and maybe already most talented player in the league. That's not hype, that's just playing good. He had no more hype coming into the league than any other high draft pick gets every year, outside of LeBron and perhaps Wilt Chamberlain (I wasn't alive back then).
What I don't get is why he didnt have more hype, or wasn't chosen before Bowie.watching the Olympic and pre Olympic warmups that summer before the draft, and the way he schooled the nba stars when the Olympic team played them for warmups.watching it now it was clear his reflexes, 1st step,lateral speed, vertical jump, quickness, ball handling, jump shot etc were on another level, seriously he was almost catlike in his athletic abilities.How could anyone not see it?
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What I don't get is why he didnt have more hype, or wasn't chosen before Bowie.watching the Olympic and pre Olympic warmups that summer before the draft, and the way he schooled the nba stars when the Olympic team played them for warmups.watching it now it was clear his reflexes, 1st step,lateral speed, vertical jump, quickness, ball handling, jump shot etc were on another level, seriously he was almost catlike in his athletic abilities.How could anyone not see it?
Chicago did. Like I already said, if there were drafting #1 that year they still would've taken Jordan with the first pick. But Houston and Portland needed and wanted big men, that's why they chose Olajuwan and Bowie ahead of him. Portland already had Clyde Drexler at shooting guard and wanted a big fella since Bill Walton didn't amount to shit because of injuries.
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Overcame a Boston Crab submission hold and headbutt from the top ropes to beat Bam Bam Bigelow at Wrestlemania as well.
;D Brilliant.
What's more, did it all while high as hell on crack.
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Maybe my friend, but Army of One doesn't just 'happen' upon the sports that are filled with 90% big black men with very loose shorts
;D
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There's a fella named Lebron James who is just as good if not better than his pre NBA hype. No one predicted his abilities as a passer and basically becoming 6' 8" point guard.
No one.
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There's a fella named Lebron James who is just as good if not better than his pre NBA hype. No one predicted his abilities as a passer and basically becoming 6' 8" point guard.
No one.
One of the smarter getbiggers
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There's a fella named Lebron James who is just as good if not better than his pre NBA hype. No one predicted his abilities as a passer and basically becoming 6' 8" point guard.
No one.
Magic Johnson was just as good as Lebron, neither rank as the greatest of all-time.
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There's a fella named Lebron James who is just as good if not better than his pre NBA hype. No one predicted his abilities as a passer and basically becoming 6' 8" point guard.
No one.
Since when?his passing was hyped before he even entered the nba, as was his ability to be able to play point gaurd.he bombed out of his first 2 finals appearances, and was only saved last year by a complete meltdown from the spurs in the final 30 seconds and a Ray Alan 3 pointer, otherwise he'd have been going home after game 6.Jordan never let it go to a game 7 in any of his 6/6 finals.
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For a little perspective, a quick comparison can be made.
NHL record for goals prior to expansion = 58 by Bobby Hull
MLB record for home runs = 61 by Roger Maris
Generally a goal equates to a HR, even though baseball plays 162 games and hockey plays 82. For the two sports an assist and an RBI are comparable, except with baseball's longer schedule players will have twice as many RBI's as hockey players will.
NHL record for assists prior to Gretzky = 102 by Bobby Orr
MLB record for RBIs = 191 by Hack Wilson
Gretzky's records (92 goals in a season and 163 assists in a season) would roughly be the equivalent of a baseball player hitting 100 home runs and having 300 RBIs.
Think about that for a minute.
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I can honestly say I didn't think this guy would be any good at all. First player drafted out of high school since Darryl Dawkins in 1975. I felt he was too skinny and would get pushed around. He wasn't intimidated by anybody, kicked ass and took names at 18-19 yrs old vs all the big men.
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christian laettner back to back duke champion chips and olympic gold medal winner
will perdue 5 nba rings
danny ferry
Quin Snyder
michel jorden
kevin mchale
larry bird
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in my mind, the true greats can win games by themselves, consistently, time and again. they have elevated themselves to a point of ability that no one can forsee anyone following in their footsteps in that profession, or another talent of that level coming along in our lifetime.
1. wayne gretzky. wiki his name and see his body of work. some would argue that he was protected by the league. i grew up watching him. he wasnt protected by any one other than marty mcsorley. he made scoring goals and play making look effortless. you had to see him play to know what i mean. i dont even have the words to explain it. it was as if god himself touched the shoulder of gretzky. there will never be another wayne gretzky.
2. michael jordan. if you had a chance just to watch him play you'd know there will never EVER be another jordan. EVER.
3. mike tyson in his prime before cus died. he was a phenom. nobody will ever step in the ring with that much power, anger, speed and pure ability all in the same package. there will never be another prime mike tyson. he was so scary he admitted most of his fights were won before he even got in the ring. that is pure dominance.
4. ray lewis. some say LT. nobody was more feared then RL in his prime. nobody has been more feared since. nobody has now, back in the day, or since that kind of closing speed or could go sideline to sideline like ray lewis. i honestly cannot see another football player coming along regardless of position that was a dominant as ray lewis. most players rely on a supporting cast to win games- RL could win games by himself.
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in my mind, the true greats can win games by themselves, consistently, time and again. they have elevated themselves to a point of ability that no one can forsee anyone following in their footsteps in that profession, or another talent of that level coming along in our lifetime.
1. wayne gretzky. wiki his name and see his body of work. some would argue that he was protected by the league. i grew up watching him. he wasnt protected by any one other than marty mcsorley. he made scoring goals and play making look effortless. you had to see him play to know what i mean. i dont even have the words to explain it. it was as if god himself touched the shoulder of gretzky. there will never be another wayne gretzky.
2. michael jordan. if you had a chance just to watch him play you'd know there will never EVER be another jordan. EVER.
3. mike tyson in his prime before cus died. he was a phenom. nobody will ever step in the ring with that much power, anger, speed and pure ability all in the same package. there will never be another prime mike tyson. he was so scary he admitted most of his fights were won before he even got in the ring. that is pure dominance.
4. ray lewis. some say LT. nobody was more feared then RL in his prime. nobody has been more feared since. nobody has now, back in the day, or since that kind of closing speed or could go sideline to sideline like ray lewis. i honestly cannot see another football player coming along regardless of position that was a dominant as ray lewis. most players rely on a supporting cast to win games- RL could win games by himself.
Great list. Especially on Ray.
I played linebacker prior to D end. Ray was my hero. Motivator/murderer etc.
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Another one. Anybody remember back in the day every college football Saturday espn had a "faulk watch" during the games monitoring how many yards he was rushing for? Got the league and shredded it. Def lived up to the hype. Hall of fame.
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Yeah Faulk was a monster. Can't imagine that San Diego state was the only school to offer him a full scholarship. Suprising choice of college since he's coming from New Orleans and SEC country.
Should've won the Heisman over Gino Toretta in 1992.
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The premise of this thread is wrong. Jordan wasn't hyped coming into the league anywhere near what Kobe and Lebron were. Jordan got showered with attention based on his play. Later on in his career he became an icon once he started winning titles. Kobe and Lebron on the other hand were labeled as possible Jordan level talents and they both then lived up to that hype. They had shoe deals before they played a game in the NBA. Jordan hit a clutch shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship but he wasn't setting the world on fire in college. When he hit the NBA people had no idea how good he would become. Apples and oranges.
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I can honestly say I didn't think this guy would be any good at all. First player drafted out of high school since Darryl Dawkins in 1975. I felt he was too skinny and would get pushed around. He wasn't intimidated by anybody, kicked ass and took names at 18-19 yrs old vs all the big men.
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Kemp didnt go to college either, though he enrolled but never went
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Kemp didnt go to college either, though he enrolled but never went
The Reign Man.....that dude brought it to the rim like no other
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Yeah Faulk was a monster. Can't imagine that San Diego state was the only school to offer him a full scholarship. Suprising choice of college since he's coming from New Orleans and SEC country.
Should've won the Heisman over Gino Toretta in 1992.
yep that 92 ceremony was a straight up robbery. I think faulk mentioned everybody wanted to turn him into a wr except san diego st going into college. smh. Dude was awesome. I remember that one pro bowl he made the D look like absolute clowns...smh. Ultra Running Back.
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for a skinny rag doll of a guy Gretzky accomplished amazing things
I'll second that.
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in my mind, the true greats can win games by themselves, consistently, time and again. they have elevated themselves to a point of ability that no one can forsee anyone following in their footsteps in that profession, or another talent of that level coming along in our lifetime.
1. wayne gretzky. wiki his name and see his body of work. some would argue that he was protected by the league. i grew up watching him. he wasnt protected by any one other than marty mcsorley. he made scoring goals and play making look effortless. you had to see him play to know what i mean. i dont even have the words to explain it. it was as if god himself touched the shoulder of gretzky. there will never be another wayne gretzky.
2. michael jordan. if you had a chance just to watch him play you'd know there will never EVER be another jordan. EVER.
3. mike tyson in his prime before cus died. he was a phenom. nobody will ever step in the ring with that much power, anger, speed and pure ability all in the same package. there will never be another prime mike tyson. he was so scary he admitted most of his fights were won before he even got in the ring. that is pure dominance.
4. ray lewis. some say LT. nobody was more feared then RL in his prime. nobody has been more feared since. nobody has now, back in the day, or since that kind of closing speed or could go sideline to sideline like ray lewis. i honestly cannot see another football player coming along regardless of position that was a dominant as ray lewis. most players rely on a supporting cast to win games- RL could win games by himself.
Good list.....except Gretzky was protected by Dave Semenko initially, who was twice as nasty as Marty.
(1) Gretzky
(2) Ali
(3) Jerry Rice
(4) Edwin Moses
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2. michael jordan. if you had a chance just to watch him play you'd know there will never EVER be another jordan. EVER.
3. mike tyson in his prime before cus died. he was a phenom. nobody will ever step in the ring with that much power, anger, speed and pure ability all in the same package. there will never be another prime mike tyson. he was so scary he admitted most of his fights were won before he even got in the ring. that is pure dominance.
I wish we could meet up and talk about this for hours.
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in my mind, the true greats can win games by themselves, consistently, time and again. they have elevated themselves to a point of ability that no one can forsee anyone following in their footsteps in that profession, or another talent of that level coming along in our lifetime.
1. wayne gretzky. wiki his name and see his body of work. some would argue that he was protected by the league. i grew up watching him. he wasnt protected by any one other than marty mcsorley. he made scoring goals and play making look effortless. you had to see him play to know what i mean. i dont even have the words to explain it. it was as if god himself touched the shoulder of gretzky. there will never be another wayne gretzky.
2. michael jordan. if you had a chance just to watch him play you'd know there will never EVER be another jordan. EVER.
3. mike tyson in his prime before cus died. he was a phenom. nobody will ever step in the ring with that much power, anger, speed and pure ability all in the same package. there will never be another prime mike tyson. he was so scary he admitted most of his fights were won before he even got in the ring. that is pure dominance.
4. ray lewis. some say LT. nobody was more feared then RL in his prime. nobody has been more feared since. nobody has now, back in the day, or since that kind of closing speed or could go sideline to sideline like ray lewis. i honestly cannot see another football player coming along regardless of position that was a dominant as ray lewis. most players rely on a supporting cast to win games- RL could win games by himself.
Good list but I would go with Three other Linebackers.
LT - Changed the way offense had to block.
Butkus - just dominated everything
Lambert - my all time favorite. Not the biggest guy but intimidated everyone and was a major part of the best defense in football history. The Steel Curtain. This guy was so intense in the day, would be ejected by today's game standard.
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Mike tyson.
I have to say he looked good against bum fighters, he looked ridicilous knocking them out senseless.
His fights were hand picked. If he did what he did in the 80's to Lennox lewis i would have him as the best ever.
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Phil Taylor.
End of thread.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman)
Sir Donald George Bradman, AC (27 August 1908 – 25 February 2001), often referred to as "The Don", was an Australian cricketer, widely acknowledged as the greatest Test batsman of all time.[1] Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport.
Batting Average:
Rank Batsman Career average
1 Don Bradman 99.94
2 Graeme Pollock 60.97
3 George Headley 60.83
4 Herbert Sutcliffe 60.73
5 Eddie Paynter 59.23
6 Ken Barrington 58.67
7 Everton Weekes 58.61
8 Wally Hammond 58.45
9 Garfield Sobers 57.78
10 Jack Hobbs 56.94
11 C.L. Walcott 56.68
12 L. Hutton 56.67
13 Jacques Kallis 55.37
14 G.E. Tyldesley 55.00
15 C.A. Davis 54.20
16 V.G. Kambli 54.20
17 G.S. Chappell 53.86
18 Dudley Nourse 53.81
19 Sachin Tendulkar 53.78
20 B.C. Lara 52.88
World sport context
Wisden hailed Bradman as, "the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games".[1] Statistician Charles Davis analysed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport.[238] The top performers in his selected sports are:[239]
Athlete Sport Statistic Standard deviations
Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4
The statistics show that "no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket".[2] In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game.[239] The respective records are .366 and 30.1.[239]
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Career games
Player Pld Won Draw Lost Win% Ave
Phil Taylor 1648 1444 25 179 87.62
16 time world champion
and he's a getbigger:
Indecent assault conviction
In 1999, following an exhibition match in Fife, Scotland, Taylor returned to his van accompanied by two women, aged 23 and 25, who subsequently accused him of indecent assault. Taylor denied the charges but in May 2001 he was found guilty and fined £2,000.[202] As a result of his conviction, Taylor's MBE nomination was annulled before he was awarded it.
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Career games
Player Pld Won Draw Lost Win% Ave
Phil Taylor 1648 1444 25 179 87.62
16 time world champion
and he's a getbigger:
Indecent assault conviction
In 1999, following an exhibition match in Fife, Scotland, Taylor returned to his van accompanied by two women, aged 23 and 25, who subsequently accused him of indecent assault. Taylor denied the charges but in May 2001 he was found guilty and fined £2,000.[202] As a result of his conviction, Taylor's MBE nomination was annulled before he was awarded it.
So darts. Let's just throw in curling at this point. Who's the best ever and what kind of hype did he have to face?
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Jordan was like watching a super hero in real life. I've heard Gretzky was the same (I don't follow/watch hockey). LeBron might be as good as Jordan but even if he wins more Finals/MVPs/etc he will never be the spectacle/phenomenon that Jordan was.
Also look up Don Bradman if you've never heard of him (Cricket player). His career batting average was something like five or six standard deviations above the mean for hall-of-fame players :o
Edit: I see jr just posted about him sorry
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NBA:
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem
Magic Johnson
Dr. J (Julius Irving)
Bill Russell
Baseball:
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth
Barry Bonds
Cy Young
Roger Clemons
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Football:
Walter Payton
Peyton Manning (disregard his SB losses, dude is a stud)'
John Elway
Emmit Smith
Joe Montana
Jerry Rice
Tennis:
Bjorn Borg
John McEnroe
Rod Laver
Pete Sampras
Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Djokovic
Serena Williams
Steffi Graf
Martina Navratilova
Chris Evert
Monica Seles (pre-stabbing)
Hell the list goes on and on. There are phenomenal athletes who even exceed the hype. I am just giving a smattering. Every sport has iconic figures; pick one and it is obvious. Greatness is probably born and not made.
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Valentino Rossi
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Anna Kournikova is one of the few athletes that exceeded the hype.
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I know Jordan will go down in history as the only athlete that after been recognized as the best ever in basketball, to admit that his fav sport is baseball all he ever wanted to be was a baseball player......
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Ricky Carmicheal. Thread over
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I wish we could meet up and talk about this for hours.
i'll be in LV for memorial day. we'll smash coronas and debate.
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Ricky Carmicheal. Thread over
Definately the GOAT on a dirty bike.
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i'll be in LV for memorial day. we'll smash coronas and debate.
I will be in LAX, If you want to meet me, I will be at the Qantas lounge, I convince you hype and marketing makes them look more talented then they are.. but it wont be a argument as I agree with most of your points.
Side note: they are talented.
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If Gretzky was so good , why don't people say like "he's like the wayne Gretzky of pool", always seems to be Michael Jordan who gets reserved for this statement when talking about the god of an activity
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NBA:
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem
Magic Johnson
Dr. J (Julius Irving)
Bill Russell
Baseball:
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth
Barry Bonds
Cy Young
Roger Clemons
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Football:
Walter Payton
Peyton Manning (disregard his SB losses, dude is a stud)'
John Elway
Emmit Smith
Joe Montana
Jerry Rice
Tennis:
Bjorn Borg
John McEnroe
Rod Laver
Pete Sampras
Andre Agassi
Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Djokovic
Serena Williams
Steffi Graf
Martina Navratilova
Chris Evert
Monica Seles (pre-stabbing)
Hell the list goes on and on. There are phenomenal athletes who even exceed the hype. I am just giving a smattering. Every sport has iconic figures; pick one and it is obvious. Greatness is probably born and not made.
You forgot A Rod in baseball the fact that he was a gold glove SS. and 600 plus HRS makes him superior that any other ball player.
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If Gretzky was so good , why don't people say like "he's like the wayne Gretzky of pool", always seems to be Michael Jordan who gets reserved for this statement when talking about the god of an activity
hockey doesn't have the market or following basketball had esp in the 80's/90's.
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Ted.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman)
Sir Donald George Bradman, AC (27 August 1908 – 25 February 2001), often referred to as "The Don", was an Australian cricketer, widely acknowledged as the greatest Test batsman of all time.[1] Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport.
Batting Average:
Rank Batsman Career average
1 Don Bradman 99.94
2 Graeme Pollock 60.97
3 George Headley 60.83
4 Herbert Sutcliffe 60.73
5 Eddie Paynter 59.23
6 Ken Barrington 58.67
7 Everton Weekes 58.61
8 Wally Hammond 58.45
9 Garfield Sobers 57.78
10 Jack Hobbs 56.94
11 C.L. Walcott 56.68
12 L. Hutton 56.67
13 Jacques Kallis 55.37
14 G.E. Tyldesley 55.00
15 C.A. Davis 54.20
16 V.G. Kambli 54.20
17 G.S. Chappell 53.86
18 Dudley Nourse 53.81
19 Sachin Tendulkar 53.78
20 B.C. Lara 52.88
World sport context
Wisden hailed Bradman as, "the greatest phenomenon in the history of cricket, indeed in the history of all ball games".[1] Statistician Charles Davis analysed the statistics for several prominent sportsmen by comparing the number of standard deviations that they stand above the mean for their sport.[238] The top performers in his selected sports are:[239]
Athlete Sport Statistic Standard deviations
Bradman Cricket Batting average 4.4
Pelé Association football Goals per game 3.7
Ty Cobb Baseball Batting average 3.6
Jack Nicklaus Golf Major titles 3.5
Michael Jordan Basketball Points per game 3.4
The statistics show that "no other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket".[2] In order to post a similarly dominant career statistic as Bradman, a baseball batter would need a career batting average of .392, while a basketball player would need to score an average of 43.0 points per game.[239] The respective records are .366 and 30.1.[239]
Arguably Tony McCoy ranks up there
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/24855097
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Audley Harrison.
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Audley Harrison.
Thread end.
No ones gonna top that.
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Thread end.
No ones gonna to that.
Melvin "Vince" Goodrum
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Audley Harrison.
Fraudley should be locked up for taking that bbc contract
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Don Bradman
Federer is still up there in the best era ever
Tyson fought anyone and at 20 he won the heavyweight belt by way of 2nd round knock out then killed everyone until he partied too much
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Don Bradman
Federer is still up there in the best era ever
Tyson fought anyone and at 20 he won the heavyweight belt by way of 2nd round knock out then killed everyone until he partied too much
Federer was great no doubt, but feasted for years on a weak era, a peak nadal and djokovic are/were just as good
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Federer was great no doubt, but feasted for years on a weak era, a peak nadal and djokovic are/were just as good
Federer still beats Djok, when Djok had that crazy run a few years ago Fed was the only one who could knock him off.
Federer was playing awesome at the Aussie open, he mentally just can't play Nadal i've seen it a number of times. He just does dumb things and loses his cool like Nadal can out rally him and he goes for stupid winners like he doesn't know what to do.
I seriously think Federer could win an open this year if not all 3 if he doesn't play Nadal going on that form at the Aussie open. He mentally would have it over Warinka too or maybe not now but if anyone has it over him it's Federer.
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Fraudley should be locked up for taking that bbc contract
..Along with the BBC for giving him it.
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In all sports Ive watched. I can only think of one athlete who was simply godlike in his abilities, and literally surpassed his hype, and that's Michael Jordan.Whenever his team had the equal or best record in the playoffs, they won.Jordan raised his scoring in the playoffs and took his game to next level, remaining the best u til he retired from the bulls.
bolt has been disappointing since his world record, seemingly coasting on natural abilities
Federer has lost his advantage whenever nadal , murray and dkokovic raised their game
Don't know enough about Gretzky , but from what I've read a peak Lemoiux was just as good
Babe Ruth played with stiffs, some fat dude in the twenties being the best, come on
Anyone who is being real watching football (soccer) knows its way too much of a team game for one player to dominate, sans short spells from pele, maradonna and messi
Bubka was dominant so I read,maybe someone can clarify but its a simple sport of planting a pole and launching, sure it's difficult to attain but I can see why someone can master it and be dominant
F1 is all down to the car
Ali lost too many times to make a case, same with Robinson
yes indeed.....this man always meet expectation as a player and he lived up to the hype.....I remember games 7 in the playoffs between Indiana pacers and Chicago bulls and Larry bird was coaching the pacers at that time.....this was one of the most hyped game 7 playoffs game and Jordan had a subpar game, but his intensity, his will to win was unmatched.....he had only 17 points in the game, but he was yelling, puffing at anyone of his teammates who would not match his intensity and remind them of what's at stake......I'd say Jordan lived for the Hype
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alot of guys say .albert puljos was a bust but most dont realize he wasn't drafted until the 13th round.
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two of the biggest busts in nfl history........Lawrence Phillips and trev alberts.