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Every thread is bizarre right now LOL.
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Every thread is bizarre right now LOL.
maybe we all need god
oh right---theres no such thing
oh brother isnt a big arc with animals cruising around ::)
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Every thread is bizarre right now LOL.
Haha you know you love it ;D
Plenty of normal bodybuilding boards out there, only one getbig though
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Every thread is bizarre right now LOL.
Take a deep breath everyone ;)
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Things change.
A lot of people right now are in a funk. We need to stay positive...
and yes, shit on me, laugh at me and call me a fool, but we do need God.
It's too bad that so many people have so much hatred in their hearts and souls right now and trust me when I say: "This does NOT come from God"
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Things change.
A lot of people right now are in a funk. We need to stay positive...
and yes, shit on me, laugh at me and call me a fool, but we do need God.
It's too bad that so many people have so much hatred in their hearts and souls right now and trust me when I say: "This does NOT come from God"
Good post brotha
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Things change.
A lot of people right now are in a funk. We need to stay positive...
and yes, shit on me, laugh at me and call me a fool, but we do need God.
It's too bad that so many people have so much hatred in their hearts and souls right now and trust me when I say: "This does NOT come from God"
not shitting on you--just simply dont believe in such a thing--the beauty of opinions i guess
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Following up on a conversation about Oxford’s controversial word of the year from a couple of months ago, your favorite reclusive former internet humorist Jay Pinkerton sent me an unusually verbose one-line missive this morning asking, “Sick of selfie yet? I can ask again in six months.” Gradually becoming increasingly aware that he’d tricked me into essentially writing a blog post, I responded as follows:
I don’t really have a problem with “selfie.” I don’t personally hear it overused, and it’s at least useful in its descriptiveness of a common occurrence. We’d still have selfies if we didn’t have the word, though I’m open to the argument that having a word for it means more of it. Anyway, what I’m really trying to say here is that I don’t want to get rid of the word “selfie.” I just want to get rid of the narcissistic millennials who take them.
That just reminded me that I haven’t checked out Lake Superior State University Banned Words List for this year yet. Since we’re there, let’s briefly look at the rest of the list:
Twerk: I have to say that this one set some kind of land speed record for going from obscurity to ubiquity in mainstream circles. A year ago, I didn’t know it. Nine months ago, I was ashamed to say that I did, or to have anyone look at my YouTube history for the previous three months. Six months ago I was explaining it to my wife, and three months ago I was explaining it to my mother-in-law. One question, though: Didn’t this just to be called booty-shaking? Another question: What was wrong with just calling it booty-shaking?
Hashtag: Ugh. Yes. There’s no reason to ever say this out loud. The hashtag key used to be known as the pound key, and that’s what I want to do to people who say the word out loud: pound them mercilessly. Remember how lame Joe Biden sounded in the 2010 debates saying “That’s a hashtag fail” in a misguided attempt to sound hip and with it? Now I see old people doing the same thing in commercials. Saying “hashtag” aloud is the rapping granny of 2014.
Twittersphere: The layer of hot air immediately above the troposphere. Zing. I’m not totally annoyed, but isn’t “in the Twittersphere” longer than “on Twitter”? I don’t see the usefulness. However, the suffix may be more useful for describing certain parts of Twitter. Maple Leafs Twitter, for example, is the Barilkosphere, and Edmonton Oilers Twitter is the Oilogosphere. That may be useful shorthand in a 140-character world.
Mister Mom: People are saying this? People are really, as LSSU’s writeup implies, celebrating the 30th anniversary of a Michael Keaton movie that isn’t Batman? I don’t believe this at all. I wonder what Michael Keaton would be saying about this if he were alive today.
T-bone: People are suddenly annoyed at this particular metaphor for a particular type of automobile collision? 2013 was the year it broke out of casual conversations and onto the airwaves to be intoned solemnly by news broadcasters. Truly the age of gravitas is over, if so. We’ve officially reached the point of the Banned Words list where the cranks are allowed to vent. Fine, Kyle from White Lake, Michigan, you hate “T-bone.” What do you suggest we replace it with? Just paint your suggestion up there on your posterboard sign and take it to the street corner where you rant about Obama being a Jew alien every day.
___ on steroids: Okay, I’m with them here. Not that this is suddenly ubiquitous, but this is hacky material and overdue for retirement. It’s just a shade less cringeworthy than ending a sentence with “… not!” like you’re Mike Myers from 1992 or your mom from 2013. “___ on steroids” is of course a relative of “___ on crack,” which suddenly makes it seem a little relevant to 2013 after all. This was of course, the year Rob Ford responded to his crack scandal by vowing to lose weight and sought the aid of a personal trainer who had been convicted for trafficking in banned substances. “Rob Ford is a mayor on crack, on steroids” was a very possible headline this year.
-ageddon. -pocalypse: Mostly weather-related, mostly annoying. I do look forward to the media unironically reporting on a municipal administration’s unpreparedness to deal with a particularly heavy snowfall in a controversy dubbed Snowmageddongate.
Intellectually/morally bankrupt: These are overused for a good reason. I’ll give them up when politicians achieve intellectual/moral solvency.
Obamacare: Yes, it’s actually called the Affordable Care Act. And Reaganomics was, in large part, the Tax Reform Act. I can’t see how Obamacare is more laudatory or derisive than Reaganomics. Each encapsulates each man’s signature policy in a memorable way that ties it to the chief executive responsible for it. Let each of them wear it, for good or for ill. And one thing’s for sure: I’ll take each of these over Orwellian bullshit nomenclature designed to stifle reasonable dissent like the PATRIOT Act, which surely only treasonous America-haters could oppose.
Adversity: “Heard often in the world of football.” So what? It’s a tough sport. You try playing a gladiatorial sport on frozen turf in a snowstorm. You know when you really hear the word “adversity” a lot though? After a football player’s career flames out after three years and he’s struggling to provide for his family because he has no skills and never learned to save, or when he’s struggling to remember his children’s names because of chronic traumatic encephalopathy from years of concussive punishment. Don’t try to take away one of the only four-syllable words a football player ever learns.
Fan base: What’s wrong with just using the word “fans” and why do we need to inflate one word into two? Well, I might argue that “fan base” has a different shade of meaning from “the fans” in that it refers specifically to all of a sport team’s (or entertainer’s or whatever) fandom in a particularly single, monolithic way. It’s like distinguishing your readers from your readership, or your Twitter followers from your Twitter follower count. There’s a useful distinction when talking about increasing your fan base, from a corporate/marketing/bean counting standpoint.
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not shitting on you--just simply dont believe in such a thing--the beauty of opinions i guess
I understand.
So many Christians take someone else's belief (or lack thereof) personally.
Your choice in your spirituality has nothing to do with me, nor is it in my control.
We are all humans and we all have the ability to choose.
I would not treat you any different than anyone else. My son in law is an Atheist. Am I happy about it? No. Do I try to change him? No.
It is not my job or my place to judge.
We all have questions. There is so much that we just don't know. Can I prove that I am right in my beliefs? No.
All we can do is hope and try to be cool to one another. It's actually easier to be nice. It's less stressful. But what do we usually choose to do? We hate. We judge. We talk shit. I guess it's part of being a human in a fallen world that is full of evil and full of hatred.
I don't know. I don't have the answers.
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Things change.
A lot of people right now are in a funk. We need to stay positive...
and yes, shit on me, laugh at me and call me a fool, but we do need God.
It's too bad that so many people have so much hatred in their hearts and souls right now and trust me when I say: "This does NOT come from God"
No, we do not need God. People do good things all the time without God in their lives.
And people who believe in God do bad things (priests molesting children).
Stop deluding yourself into believing that we need God to do good.
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Now? This board hasn't been the same in years.
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Following up on a conversation about Oxford’s controversial word of the year from a couple of months ago, your favorite reclusive former internet humorist Jay Pinkerton sent me an unusually verbose one-line missive this morning asking, “Sick of selfie yet? I can ask again in six months.” Gradually becoming increasingly aware that he’d tricked me into essentially writing a blog post, I responded as follows:
I don’t really have a problem with “selfie.” I don’t personally hear it overused, and it’s at least useful in its descriptiveness of a common occurrence. We’d still have selfies if we didn’t have the word, though I’m open to the argument that having a word for it means more of it. Anyway, what I’m really trying to say here is that I don’t want to get rid of the word “selfie.” I just want to get rid of the narcissistic millennials who take them.
That just reminded me that I haven’t checked out Lake Superior State University Banned Words List for this year yet. Since we’re there, let’s briefly look at the rest of the list:
Twerk: I have to say that this one set some kind of land speed record for going from obscurity to ubiquity in mainstream circles. A year ago, I didn’t know it. Nine months ago, I was ashamed to say that I did, or to have anyone look at my YouTube history for the previous three months. Six months ago I was explaining it to my wife, and three months ago I was explaining it to my mother-in-law. One question, though: Didn’t this just to be called booty-shaking? Another question: What was wrong with just calling it booty-shaking?
Hashtag: Ugh. Yes. There’s no reason to ever say this out loud. The hashtag key used to be known as the pound key, and that’s what I want to do to people who say the word out loud: pound them mercilessly. Remember how lame Joe Biden sounded in the 2010 debates saying “That’s a hashtag fail” in a misguided attempt to sound hip and with it? Now I see old people doing the same thing in commercials. Saying “hashtag” aloud is the rapping granny of 2014.
Twittersphere: The layer of hot air immediately above the troposphere. Zing. I’m not totally annoyed, but isn’t “in the Twittersphere” longer than “on Twitter”? I don’t see the usefulness. However, the suffix may be more useful for describing certain parts of Twitter. Maple Leafs Twitter, for example, is the Barilkosphere, and Edmonton Oilers Twitter is the Oilogosphere. That may be useful shorthand in a 140-character world.
Mister Mom: People are saying this? People are really, as LSSU’s writeup implies, celebrating the 30th anniversary of a Michael Keaton movie that isn’t Batman? I don’t believe this at all. I wonder what Michael Keaton would be saying about this if he were alive today.
T-bone: People are suddenly annoyed at this particular metaphor for a particular type of automobile collision? 2013 was the year it broke out of casual conversations and onto the airwaves to be intoned solemnly by news broadcasters. Truly the age of gravitas is over, if so. We’ve officially reached the point of the Banned Words list where the cranks are allowed to vent. Fine, Kyle from White Lake, Michigan, you hate “T-bone.” What do you suggest we replace it with? Just paint your suggestion up there on your posterboard sign and take it to the street corner where you rant about Obama being a Jew alien every day.
___ on steroids: Okay, I’m with them here. Not that this is suddenly ubiquitous, but this is hacky material and overdue for retirement. It’s just a shade less cringeworthy than ending a sentence with “… not!” like you’re Mike Myers from 1992 or your mom from 2013. “___ on steroids” is of course a relative of “___ on crack,” which suddenly makes it seem a little relevant to 2013 after all. This was of course, the year Rob Ford responded to his crack scandal by vowing to lose weight and sought the aid of a personal trainer who had been convicted for trafficking in banned substances. “Rob Ford is a mayor on crack, on steroids” was a very possible headline this year.
-ageddon. -pocalypse: Mostly weather-related, mostly annoying. I do look forward to the media unironically reporting on a municipal administration’s unpreparedness to deal with a particularly heavy snowfall in a controversy dubbed Snowmageddongate.
Intellectually/morally bankrupt: These are overused for a good reason. I’ll give them up when politicians achieve intellectual/moral solvency.
Obamacare: Yes, it’s actually called the Affordable Care Act. And Reaganomics was, in large part, the Tax Reform Act. I can’t see how Obamacare is more laudatory or derisive than Reaganomics. Each encapsulates each man’s signature policy in a memorable way that ties it to the chief executive responsible for it. Let each of them wear it, for good or for ill. And one thing’s for sure: I’ll take each of these over Orwellian bullshit nomenclature designed to stifle reasonable dissent like the PATRIOT Act, which surely only treasonous America-haters could oppose.
Adversity: “Heard often in the world of football.” So what? It’s a tough sport. You try playing a gladiatorial sport on frozen turf in a snowstorm. You know when you really hear the word “adversity” a lot though? After a football player’s career flames out after three years and he’s struggling to provide for his family because he has no skills and never learned to save, or when he’s struggling to remember his children’s names because of chronic traumatic encephalopathy from years of concussive punishment. Don’t try to take away one of the only four-syllable words a football player ever learns.
Fan base: What’s wrong with just using the word “fans” and why do we need to inflate one word into two? Well, I might argue that “fan base” has a different shade of meaning from “the fans” in that it refers specifically to all of a sport team’s (or entertainer’s or whatever) fandom in a particularly single, monolithic way. It’s like distinguishing your readers from your readership, or your Twitter followers from your Twitter follower count. There’s a useful distinction when talking about increasing your fan base, from a corporate/marketing/bean counting standpoint.
new marketing word will be used in the future.
The "yummie", which stand for "young urban male", just like "yuppie" meant "young urban professional".
Yummies have a lot of disposal income, so marketing depts are focusing on this group.
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Now? This board hasn't been the same in years.
lol it's the first time I see a post of yours and you have +20000 posts. ???
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No, we do not need God. People do good things all the time without God in their lives.
And people who believe in God do bad things (priests molesting children).
Stop deluding yourself into believing that we need God to do good.
Me? Me?
Did I say that people who believe in God don't sin???? ME????
My opinion say's that we need God. That is my opinion. That is all it is.
Whether or not God's presence in this world is the only reason we still have goodness around us.. as in sunlight, smiles and happiness... well, that sounds logical, but I think you are misunderstanding me.
I will NOT argue and have an angry discussion to try to explain Christianity.
Here: "Wolves in Sheeps clothing"
How's that? Who better to deceive and hurt than someone you should trust?
You and I don't have to be enemies because of our differences in opinion do we? I don't want that. Do you?
I would hope that you are at peace and that you are happy with your life. I would hope that each day you feel well enough to take on the day.
I would also be the LAST person to say that "Christians" are good, perfect, whatever.
I would rather be everyone's friend on this board than to be their enemy. All differences aside and accepted.
Us humans regardless of race or religion are capable of some highly unspeakable things. This is fact.
Be cool man. Not looking for an enemy over voicing my opinion. I don't really know why religion brings out the worst in us at times. Really, I don't.
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Me? Me?
Did I say that people who believe in God don't sin???? ME????
My opinion say's that we need God. That is my opinion. That is all it is.
Whether or not God's presence in this world is the only reason we still have goodness around us.. as in sunlight, smiles and happiness... well, that sounds logical, but I think you are misunderstanding me.
I will NOT argue and have an angry discussion to try to explain Christianity.
Here: "Wolves in Sheeps clothing"
How's that? Who better to deceive and hurt than someone you should trust?
You and I don't have to be enemies because of our differences in opinion do we? I don't want that. Do you?
I would hope that you are at peace and that you are happy with your life. I would hope that each day you feel well enough to take on the day.
I would also be the LAST person to say that "Christians" are good, perfect, whatever.
I would rather be everyone's friend on this board than to be their enemy. All differences aside and accepted.
Us humans regardless of race or religion are capable of some highly unspeakable things. This is fact.
Be cool man. Not looking for an enemy over voicing my opinion. I don't really know why religion brings out the worst in us at times. Really, I don't.
The question is: Why do we need God?
And who said I wanted to be your enemy? I just made a statement.
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The question is: Why do we need God?
And who said I wanted to be your enemy? I just made a statement.
I guess it's just something as simple as a word "deluded" ~ I took offense to it like you were saying I was ignorant.
See what I mean?
I'm not blaming you I'm kind of speaking generally.
This is what we do so well.
No, you did not say you wanted to be my enemy.
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new marketing word will be used in the future.
The "yummie", which stand for "young urban male", just like "yuppie" meant "young urban professional".
Yummies have a lot of disposal income, so marketing depts are focusing on this group.
Does "yuppie" have a negative connotation? It's always seemed to have one for me. Why is that? Is there something wrong with being young, urban, and a professional? Or are the people who use that term envious of the yuppies "yuppie" status?
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Does "yuppie" have a negative connotation? It's always seemed to have one for me. Why is that? Is there something wrong with being young, urban, and a professional? Or are the people who use that term envious of the yuppies "yuppie" status?
I never understand why people choose to look down on young professionals, or wealthy successful people in general...
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Does "yuppie" have a negative connotation? It's always seemed to have one for me. Why is that? Is there something wrong with being young, urban, and a professional? Or are the people who use that term envious of the yuppies "yuppie" status?
I always associate "yuppies" with Starbucks. Man, talk about stereo-typing people.
And I've been on this board longer tonight than I have in... forever.
Sup with that?
Oh yeah, I also think of Tom Platz when I see Starbucks wondering if he hates seeing them... wondering... what "could have" been?
Man, to be a founder of that place would have set him for life....of course, if the story is true ~
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I never understand why people choose to look down on young professionals, or wealthy successful people in general...
I think it's only when they wear glasses and look like they couldn't whoop someone's ass... or fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Or, maybe it's just me...
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I think it's only when they wear glasses and look like they couldn't whoop someone's ass... or fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Or, maybe it's just me...
I get that too.
But we are in 2014 and a civilized society. This isnt Sparta, I have worked for very powerful people that can literally ruin your career, life, reputation and demoralize you with a phonecall or thirty second speech, and I would be able to physically destroy them. Its a different ball game now.
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I never understand why people choose to look down on young professionals, or wealthy successful people in general...
Looking down on young professionals is probably due to many young professionals being cocky ?? Maybe?
And wealthy successful people, well ...because they seem to be living the life. People see the glamour and ignore the sacrifice and hard work, so they hate.
I'd like to hold it down in all areas of my life, so that bitches be like OMG I HAAATE HER. ;D
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The question is: Why do we need God?
And who said I wanted to be your enemy? I just made a statement.
Its not so much that we need God its that what really should be called God, the fathomless eternal ground of being, cannot be avoided as it is what we are and where we all come from. If you delve in to the science of meditation wholeheartedly you will come to realize this.
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Severe lack of men in thong pics as of late :(
No homo
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Haha you know you love it ;D
Plenty of normal bodybuilding boards out there, only one getbig though
This.
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maybe we all need god
oh right---theres no such thing
oh brother isnt a big arc with animals cruising around ::)
Well, it's fine you feel this way and I understand it. I can assure you of his reality and that he's changed me.
I know that concept sounds and feels foreign and strange, but the reality of God is truly at your fingertips if you simply believe. If he can change a man like me he can work through anyone!
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Well, it's fine you feel this way and I understand it. I can assure you of his reality and that he's changed me.
I know that concept sounds and feels foreign and strange, but the reality of God is truly at your fingertips if you simply believe. If he can change a man like me he can work through anyone!
the question is, why does he need to believe in God? You keep saying God can change people? Why would I need God to change me?
You throw out these asinine statements with nothing to hold them up. Its just plain stupidity.
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No one is trying to sell me anything or use me to get what they want. Offensive as we are at times, it's a great escape from the smiling villainy of the world.
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It's too bad that so many people have so much hatred in their hearts and souls right now and trust me when I say: "This does NOT come from God"
Amen Brother, respect
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the question is, why does he need to believe in God? You keep saying God can change people? Why would I need God to change me?
You throw out these asinine statements with nothing to hold them up. Its just plain stupidity.
Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him. All we must do is believe.
If you have no comprehension of God then you would have no comprehension of sin (an offense against God) and you would find my comments asinine, but that doesn't in anyway whatsoever prevent me from wanting to share Christ with you.
As a believer I'm going to be insulted and beaten down and ridiculed, but that's ok with me because my hope rests firmly in Jesus Christ. I desire to spread that hope to others, but if that is spit back in my face that's ok....that will happen today, tomorrow and for the rest of my life. But when those that don't know Christ come to him and desire to know his reality then it's all worth it.
My call from Jesus Christ is to spread his gospel and live out my faith....I simply plant seeds for his kingdom. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 2 years or maybe in 25 years you'll feel differently and seek his will for your life (or maybe you won't...that's your choice), but it's never about MOS (I am meaningless).....it's about bringing glory to Christ Jesus.
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Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him. All we must do is believe.
If you have no comprehension of God then you would have no comprehension of sin (an offense against God) and you would find my comments asinine, but that doesn't in anyway whatsoever prevent me from wanting to share Christ with you.
As a believer I'm going to be insulted and beaten down and ridiculed, but that's ok with me because my hope rests firmly in Jesus Christ. I desire to spread that hope to others, but if that is spit back in my face that's ok....that will happen today, tomorrow and for the rest of my life. But when those that don't know Christ come to him and desire to know his reality then it's all worth it.
My call from Jesus Christ is to spread his gospel and live out my faith....I simply plant seeds for his kingdom. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 2 years or maybe in 25 years you'll feel differently and seek his will for your life (or maybe you won't...that's your choice), but it's never about MOS (I am meaningless).....it's about bringing glory to Christ Jesus.
People understand the concept of right and wrong without having a belief in god. For thousands of years men and women have been kind, merciful and loving without believing in or having any concept of the judeo-chrisrian god.
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Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him. All we must do is believe.
If you have no comprehension of God then you would have no comprehension of sin (an offense against God) and you would find my comments asinine, but that doesn't in anyway whatsoever prevent me from wanting to share Christ with you.
As a believer I'm going to be insulted and beaten down and ridiculed, but that's ok with me because my hope rests firmly in Jesus Christ. I desire to spread that hope to others, but if that is spit back in my face that's ok....that will happen today, tomorrow and for the rest of my life. But when those that don't know Christ come to him and desire to know his reality then it's all worth it.
My call from Jesus Christ is to spread his gospel and live out my faith....I simply plant seeds for his kingdom. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 2 years or maybe in 25 years you'll feel differently and seek his will for your life (or maybe you won't...that's your choice), but it's never about MOS (I am meaningless).....it's about bringing glory to Christ Jesus.
No offense, but you're pretty dense. You're throwing out the same old lines AGAIN!! You just say stuff like, "Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him. All we must do is believe."
TELL ME THE WHY THIS MATTERS!! WHY MUST WE BE ALIGNED WITH JESUS CHRIST?
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People understand the concept of right and wrong without having a belief in god. For thousands of years men and women have been kind, merciful and loving without believing in or having any concept of the judeo-chrisrian god.
But humanity also defines right and wrong according to its terms and that doesn't always align with God.
Within this generation of tolerance we often adopt causes and practices that stand firmly opposed to God's will and no matter how kind and loving we are within those human standards we are not aligned with him.
We can stand arm-in-arm singing together in mass chorus in support of a cause that defies God and have accomplished nothing to cleanse our sin; in fact, we've oft times only increased the volume of sin.
You never once need to come to God to live out a moment of your life on this earth.
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No offense, but you're pretty dense. You're throwing out the same old lines AGAIN!! You just say stuff like, "Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him. All we must do is believe."
TELL ME THE WHY THIS MATTERS!! WHY MUST WE BE ALIGNED WITH JESUS CHRIST?
Only through Jesus Christ can we be cleansed of our sins and aligned with him so that we can live eternally with him. All we must do is believe.
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MOS is too pure for this board
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the reality of God is truly at your fingertips if you simply believe.
All due respect, my friend, but 'simply believing' is anything but simple.
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But humanity also defines right and wrong according to its terms and that doesn't always align with God.
Within this generation of tolerance we often adopt causes and practices that stand firmly opposed to God's will and no matter how kind and loving we are within those human standards we are not aligned with him.
We can stand arm-in-arm singing together in mass chorus in support of a cause that defies God and have accomplished nothing to cleanse our sin; in fact, we've oft times only increased the volume of sin.
You never once need to come to God to live out a moment of your life on this earth.
And religion defines terms of right and wrong that are completely misaligned with modern living. The denial of equal rights for women, the endorsement of slavery are but two examples. Even democracy is biblically a foreign concept. Im not attacking your faith. If you need it to make yourself a better person so be it.
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And religion defines terms of right and wrong that are completely misaligned with modern living. The denial of equal rights for women, the endorsement of slavery are but two examples. Even democracy is biblically a foreign concept. Im not attacking your faith. If you need it to make yourself a better person so be it.
Rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt. Two entirely different things....one was forced (antebellum South and Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (Israel). One was about inhumanity (antebellum South and Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (Israel). The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel.
The rules for "slavery" in the bible were about the preservation of humanity and dignity of bond servants working off debt for their families or the "slave" individually. Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to. Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage. These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then gettin beaten and raped in the evenings.....no, no, no...that's simple ignorance.
I know you have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation you force fit onto it. You need to understand the culture and history of the Israelites....they were delievered from forced "work til you die" slavery in Egypt. Our God that freed them didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave others in the same manner you were just freed from".
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I get that too.
But we are in 2014 and a civilized society. This isnt Sparta, I have worked for very powerful people that can literally ruin your career, life, reputation and demoralize you with a phonecall or thirty second speech, and I would be able to physically destroy them. Its a different ball game now.
Exactly ~
Fighting only puts you in jail, especially if you sock a "Yuppee"
Social Media. That's where we live and that's where the typical Yuppee excels ~
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BTW, instead of us arguing for the Good Lord above, the one who allows us to take our every breath...
Why don't we just let Him do the work?
We are not arguing or stating our positions correctly and it really cannot be done on a message board.
God takes who He wants. Yes, you have to want Him also, but remember... you are NOT arguing with another person. You are trying to argue with a lost soul that is being controlled by a powerful entity. This is NOT meant to be a put-down on the person. We all fall short of the Glory of God, but even the Angels take caution in arguing with the Master Deceiver.
Let it be.
Actions speak louder than words.
Don't let the Deceiver laugh and mock us. It only gives him more Octane fuel.
he is rampant in this world... this fallen world and if anyone here for one second thinks that the deceiver is NOT rampant on this board...
well.... my heart is saddened.
Think hard. "Master Deceiver" ~ but don't give him more credit than he deserves, just give God the credit and let Him do His work.
A man has to open his heart on his own. A man has to ask on his own. The Bible say's that every man will at some point have his opportunity. Free choice. He can choose however his heart desires.
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Rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt. Two entirely different things....one was forced (antebellum South and Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (Israel). One was about inhumanity (antebellum South and Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (Israel). The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel.
The rules for "slavery" in the bible were about the preservation of humanity and dignity of bond servants working off debt for their families or the "slave" individually. Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to. Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage. These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then gettin beaten and raped in the evenings.....no, no, no...that's simple ignorance.
I know you have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation you force fit onto it. You need to understand the culture and history of the Israelites....they were delievered from forced "work til you die" slavery in Egypt. Our God that freed them didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave others in the same manner you were just freed from".
haha, bullshit. The bible condoned slavery and it condones the degradation of women. Stop trying to put a "spin" on your fairy take book. The bible condones a lot of bad shit. Grow up.
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haha, bullshit. The bible condoned slavery and it condones the degradation of women. Stop trying to put a "spin" on your fairy take book. The bible condones a lot of bad shit. Grow up.
I'm sorry but your objections are based in ignorance. You really want them to be correct and they are not. These are the classic examples I defend against.
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lol it's the first time I see a post of yours and you have +20000 posts. ???
This board is nothing like it used to be.
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I'm sorry but your objections are based in ignorance. You really want them to be correct and they are not. These are the classic examples I defend against.
lol. Are you kidding me? The bible degrades women. It makes women subservient to man and degrades them. Seriously, grow up and look at reality.
I feel really sorry for you. You're so blinded and brainwashed. I could never live like that.
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This board is nothing like it used to be.
People get older and move on. It happens. :-\ :-\
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You heathens are no different than your forefathers. When my people went throughout the lands to spread the words of The Most High, The God of Y'srael and my ancestors, you talked shit then.
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let em know wiggs.
let me know.
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Rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt. Two entirely different things....one was forced (antebellum South and Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (Israel). One was about inhumanity (antebellum South and Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (Israel). The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel.
The rules for "slavery" in the bible were about the preservation of humanity and dignity of bond servants working off debt for their families or the "slave" individually. Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to. Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage. These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then gettin beaten and raped in the evenings.....no, no, no...that's simple ignorance.
I know you have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation you force fit onto it. You need to understand the culture and history of the Israelites....they were delievered from forced "work til you die" slavery in Egypt. Our God that freed them didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave others in the same manner you were just freed from".
This is completely untrue. Every bit of it. You're attempting to polish a turd.
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This is completely untrue. Every bit of it.
I'm sorry you don't like my reply, but you're are incorrect.
The historical and cultural practice of slavery in the ancient near east and the use of bond servants within ancient Israel is simply not in dispute.
I can only assume you've never heard resolution to this objection before.
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I'm sorry you don't like my reply, but you're are incorrect.
The historical and cultural practice of slavery in the ancient near east and the use of bond servants within ancient Israel is simply not in dispute.
I can only assume you've never heard resolution to this objection before.
You are wrong. You're just repeating the words of christian apologists.
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lol. Are you kidding me? The bible degrades women. It makes women subservient to man and degrades them. Seriously, grow up and look at reality.
I feel really sorry for you. You're so blinded and brainwashed. I could never live like that.
Here is a thread on headship and submission....take a look if you'd like.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=514364.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=514364.0)
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Here is a thread on headship and submission....take a look if you'd like.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=514364.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=514364.0)
Is it more of you parroting christian apologists?
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You are wrong. You're just repeating the words of christian apologists.
This is a nonsequitur.
You bet I study and study and study....doesn't make what I posted incorrect though....my words are my own not some copy and paste.
My favorite apologist is the apostle Paul who wrote a ton of the New Testament.
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Is it more of you parroting christian apologists?
Ah, so you simply resort to a "you can't study the work of great theologians.....everythi ng you post must be completely original from your own brain" perspective.
If I didn't study others would simply say "ever read a book?"
These arguments are the weakest of the weak.
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Ah, so you simply resort to a "you can't study the work of great theologians.....everythi ng you post must be completely original from your own brain" perspective.
If I didn't study others would simply say "ever read a book?"
These arguments are the weakest of the weak.
I guess the answers is yes. Youve found the answers you want and that has less to do with facts and more to do with what you want to believe. Keep polishing that turd.
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I guess the answers is yes. Youve found the answers you want and that has less to do with facts and more to do with what you want to believe. Keep polishing that turd.
Ok, I apologize because I simply assumed you didn't have any additional information to support your position.
That said, feel free to outline your supporting facts concerning slavery practices in the ancient near east and the use of bond servants in the ancient Israel.
I'm interested to hear the findings of your independent study that contain no outside influence.
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Where do I sign up? Slavery sounds great. Keep polishing that turd.
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Ok, I apologize because I simply assumed you didn't have any additional information to support your position.
That said, feel free to outline your supporting facts concerning slavery practices in the ancient near east and the use of bond servants in the ancient Israel.
You are literally repeating apologists. I doubt you read anything else.
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Where do I sign up? Slavery sounds great. Keep polishing that turd.
Ok, we have copy and paste of verses that support my position. Do you have any of the facts you mentioned that back up yours? I'm more interested in your defense not mine.
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You are literally repeating apologists. I doubt you read anything else.
I've read the bible, theologians, apologists, dissenting opinions and historical texts. Do you have other recommendations?
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Ok, we have copy and paste of verses that support my position. Do you have any of the facts you mentioned that back up yours? I'm more interested in your defense not mine.
You are the last person who should be chastising another for copy and paste. These are the words in the bible. The words are all the evidence one needs. Keep polishing that turd. I do understand how you feel. You love your religion and cant reconcile the less than savory elements.
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You love your religion and cant reconcile the less than savory elements.
I do it everyday kiddo.....have a good one.
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I do it everyday kiddo.....have a good one.
I see no evidence of that. Keep polishing that turd.
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Religions carry that sad maso vibe that so many people secretly love - that's why they hate religion.
Muh struggle, muh so bad, muh wet pussies, muh punishment... it's a vicious of competing emotions and thoughts.
Nonetheless there's some eternal wisdom in the scriptures which I highly respect - in which way it connects to the bigger picture I do not know and never will.
The bigger picture seems to be beyond 3 dimensions - an eternal struggle of vast proportions...
we'll see.
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Religions carry that sad maso vibe that so many people secretly love - that's why they hate religion.
Muh struggle, muh so bad, muh wet pussies, muh punishment... it's a vicious of competing emotions and thoughts.
Nonetheless there's some eternal wisdom in the scriptures which I highly respect - in which way it connects to the bigger picture I do not know and never will.
The bigger picture seems to be beyond 3 dimensions - an eternal struggle of vast proportions...
we'll see.
I agree with you. What I don't agree with is the tendency toward revisionism. Condoning slavery doesnt make the sermon on the mount any less beautiful and inspiring.
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Ok, we have copy and paste of verses that support my position. Do you have any of the facts you mentioned that back up yours? I'm more interested in your defense not mine.
Even if the slave/servant passages referred to common Israeli culture, do you find God's position on this moral? I mean, these verses endorse despicable acts, wouldn't you agree?
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sloopy lips to lips
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new marketing word will be used in the future.
The "yummie", which stand for "young urban male", just like "yuppie" meant "young urban professional".
Yummies have a lot of disposal income, so marketing depts are focusing on this group.
Are you saying that based on the spate of posts about how much getbig men detest women, how they behave, marriage, and heterosexuality in general, that I should be doing the lion's share of my research into this affluent target market right here on our very own getbig forum?
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Are you saying that based on the spate of posts about how much getbig men detest women, how they behave, marriage, and heterosexuality in general, that I should be doing the lion's share of my research into this affluent target market right here on our very own getbig forum?
What you should be doing is posting the the Miguel Cabrera thread.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=527903.0
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What you should be doing is posting the the Miguel Cabrera thread.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=527903.0
You've never been more right in your life! LOL!
Message received.
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Even if the slave/servant passages referred to common Israeli culture, do you find God's position on this moral? I mean, these verses endorse despicable acts, wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I find it morally correct that the rights of a bondservant working off an individual or family debt were upheld. That’s the progressive nature of the law that protected the bondservant (“ebed” in Hebrew) within Israel that was found nowhere else in the pagan nations of the ancient near east.
I absolutely know the perception is that these folks were kept in shackles, practically starved, beaten, maimed, raped and treated like human garbage based on the whims of the debt holder. Just not the case (this was not ancient Egypt or the antebellum south in US). Simple comparisons with other ancient near east cultures will show you that the slave (not the bondservant) was treated like human garbage in those cases. The practices utilized with bond servants in ancient Israel were leaps and bounds above the slavery of surrounding pagan nations (these were the “work you to death, starve, maim, rape and beat you” cultures). The reality is that there was virtually no comparison between the treatment of bondservants in ancient Israel versus the treatment of slaves in the surrounding pagan cultures.
The Israelites that had acquired debt (ex: through failed business, theft, failed crops, etc…) and were unable to repay entered into a contract with the debtholder to work off the debt. As was customary in ancient Israel, sometimes individuals, individual and a family member or entire families worked off the debt. If the debt was satisfied prior to 6 years of service then that was it….the bondservant was released. If 6 years of service came and went and the debt was not repaid in full the debtholder simply lost out and the bond servant was to be released regardless. Often times the released bondservant(s) was to be given compensation, lifestock, grains, wine, etc…..upon their release. Sometimes the bondservants became full employees after the debt was settled and began earning a wage (if they chose to stay on board). Sometimes bondservants chose to stay with the family they worked off debt for and continue the bondservitude after the debt was satisfied because they developed such a strong relationship with the family they owed a debt to. Sometimes females bondservants became spouses of the owners or the owner's children (marriages were arranged) and as was customary the owner would pay out a brideprice to the bondservants family. Within the year of jubilee many, many bondservants were released from their service regardless of time served or amount of debt repaid.
And yes sometimes the bondservants' performance or behavior was inappropriate and they were punished for it. Although, the laws for bondservants didn't condone the capricious beating of the bondservant, the laws were meant to discourage that behavior on behalf of the owner. If owner did something as vile as murder a bondservant then that owner lost their life. Everyone quotes the scripture “if the owner beats the slave and slave recovers after 3 days……then all is good”. This circumstance was simply an exception, not the norm, but the laws were meant to govern all circumstances both the good and the bad. If the bondservant was beaten to a point in which they could not work they were supposed to be freed. The debtholder/owner was engaged in a contract with the bondservant and that bondservant was deemed property, but human property for the purposes of sweat equity for debt repayment that retained rights and privileges and just treatment. The owner was outlawed from ruling over the bondservant like a tyrant….that was not permitted. Did they work some of these folks hard? Sure. Was that hard work intended to be cruel and brutal and relentless and unreasonable? LOL no….that’s a fiction inferred by ignorant readers.
God’s ultimate goal was to lead Israel away from the practice of using bondservants altogether. The Lord works within the confines of our lives drawing us closer to him and away from the adopted practices of our hardened hearts that we freely choose to engage in. Regardless, the Lord is patient and will allow our free choices and some our less than desirable customs to be honored with the intention of leading us away from those practices. The use of bondservants is not the preference of the Lord though. Bondservants were also meant to respect their owners. Remember, some of the bondservants were working off a debt based a crime they committted against the family that held their contract for debt repayment. As I’ve said time and again on this topic it is completely illogical that God would free the Israelites from the brutal, forced slavery in Egypt and then allow them to engage in that same behavior among the people of their own nation. Folks will simply say “well, that’s a biblical contradiction” LOL……sorry, no. That’s ignorance on part of the critic that has done little more than a surface reading of the scripture. When I first read the these scriptures I was SHOCKED, but then I dug in deeper and understood the culture of the Isaelites, the culture of the pagan nations, learned some of the Hebrew terms and the definitely gained insight on the context…..makes all the difference.
Now I know I wrote all of this and some will just reply with “b.s.” or “keep polishing that turd” or whatever other witty retort they can think of; regardless, I hope this was at least helpful. I've learned that some religious objectors love their canned objections so much that they refuse to accept resolution when it's presented....I'm helpless to do anything about that. Most people won't even read this.
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You are literally repeating apologists. I doubt you read anything else.
I did neglect to mention that not only do I study theology and apologetics, I am an apologist.
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I understand.
So many Christians take someone else's belief (or lack thereof) personally.
Your choice in your spirituality has nothing to do with me, nor is it in my control.
We are all humans and we all have the ability to choose.
I would not treat you any different than anyone else. My son in law is an Atheist. Am I happy about it? No. Do I try to change him? No.
It is not my job or my place to judge.
We all have questions. There is so much that we just don't know. Can I prove that I am right in my beliefs? No.
All we can do is hope and try to be cool to one another. It's actually easier to be nice. It's less stressful. But what do we usually choose to do? We hate. We judge. We talk shit. I guess it's part of being a human in a fallen world that is full of evil and full of hatred.
I don't know. I don't have the answers.
Spot on, despite that our concepts of God are different (I'm Muslim) I strongly believe we can't judge each other and should not have animosity towards anyone for having different beliefs.
I think many athiests don't believe in God because of the concept that's taught (in Christianity for example, and no offence intended) that God is apparently a being, like a big guy in the sky, with feelings, emotions and other such limitations that humans have. That does sound hard to believe for most people - that there's any "being" which they cannot physically see.
So I try to tell them that God is not a "being" (which Islam teaches as well), that is physical or can be seen. I think of it in terms of God being a "force" rather than a "being." I don't think many would deny that there is some force which created or allowed the various laws of science and the countless conditions on this planet that allow life. Like an "invisible hand" that governs us and is responsible for us being here.
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Yes, I find it morally correct that the rights of a bondservant working off an individual or family debt were upheld. That’s the progressive nature of the law that protected the bondservant (“ebed” in Hebrew) within Israel that was found nowhere else in the pagan nations of the ancient near east.
I absolutely know the perception is that these folks were kept in shackles, practically starved, beaten, maimed, raped and treated like human garbage based on the whims of the debt holder. Just not the case (this was not ancient Egypt or the antebellum south in US). Simple comparisons with other ancient near east cultures will show you that the slave (not the bondservant) was treated like human garbage in those cases. The practices utilized with bond servants in ancient Israel were leaps and bounds above the slavery of surrounding pagan nations (these were the “work you to death, starve, maim, rape and beat you” cultures). The reality is that there was virtually no comparison between the treatment of bondservants in ancient Israel versus the treatment of slaves in the surrounding pagan cultures.
The Israelites that had acquired debt (ex: through failed business, theft, failed crops, etc…) and were unable to repay entered into a contract with the debtholder to work off the debt. As was customary in ancient Israel, sometimes individuals, individual and a family member or entire families worked off the debt. If the debt was satisfied prior to 6 years of service then that was it….the bondservant was released. If 6 years of service came and went and the debt was not repaid in full the debtholder simply lost out and the bond servant was to be released regardless. Often times the released bondservant(s) was to be given compensation, lifestock, grains, wine, etc…..upon their release. Sometimes the bondservants became full employees after the debt was settled and began earning a wage (if they chose to stay on board). Sometimes bondservants chose to stay with the family they worked off debt for and continue the bondservitude after the debt was satisfied because they developed such a strong relationship with the family they owed a debt to. Sometimes females bondservants became spouses of the owners or the owner's children (marriages were arranged) and as was customary the owner would pay out a brideprice to the bondservants family. Within the year of jubilee many, many bondservants were released from their service regardless of time served or amount of debt repaid.
And yes sometimes the bondservants' performance or behavior was inappropriate and they were punished for it. Although, the laws for bondservants didn't condone the capricious beating of the bondservant, the laws were meant to discourage that behavior on behalf of the owner. If owner did something as vile as murder a bondservant then that owner lost their life. Everyone quotes the scripture “if the owner beats the slave and slave recovers after 3 days……then all is good”. This circumstance was simply an exception, not the norm, but the laws were meant to govern all circumstances both the good and the bad. If the bondservant was beaten to a point in which they could not work they were supposed to be freed. The debtholder/owner was engaged in a contract with the bondservant and that bondservant was deemed property, but human property for the purposes of sweat equity for debt repayment that retained rights and privileges and just treatment. The owner was outlawed from ruling over the bondservant like a tyrant….that was not permitted. Did they work some of these folks hard? Sure. Was that hard work intended to be cruel and brutal and relentless and unreasonable? LOL no….that’s a fiction inferred by ignorant readers.
God’s ultimate goal was to lead Israel away from the practice of using bondservants altogether. The Lord works within the confines of our lives drawing us closer to him and away from the adopted practices of our hardened hearts that we freely choose to engage in. Regardless, the Lord is patient and will allow our free choices and some our less than desirable customs to be honored with the intention of leading us away from those practices. The use of bondservants is not the preference of the Lord though. Bondservants were also meant to respect their owners. Remember, some of the bondservants were working off a debt based a crime they committted against the family that held their contract for debt repayment. As I’ve said time and again on this topic it is completely illogical that God would free the Israelites from the brutal, forced slavery in Egypt and then allow them to engage in that same behavior among the people of their own nation. Folks will simply say “well, that’s a biblical contradiction” LOL……sorry, no. That’s ignorance on part of the critic that has done little more than a surface reading of the scripture. When I first read the these scriptures I was SHOCKED, but then I dug in deeper and understood the culture of the Isaelites, the culture of the pagan nations, learned some of the Hebrew terms and the definitely gained insight on the context…..makes all the difference.
Now I know I wrote all of this and some will just reply with “b.s.” or “keep polishing that turd” or whatever other witty retort they can think of; regardless, I hope this was at least helpful. I've learned that some religious objectors love their canned objections so much that they refuse to accept resolution when it's presented....I'm helpless to do anything about that. Most people won't even read this.
Appreciate the thoughtful reply. I did read it all, and you've clearly come to terms with the issue. Still bothers me that God would work "within the confines of our lives" in this instance, but not in others. I mean, He's not the mayor, afterall; He's the supreme moral end-all. His wrath is evident throughout the OT, ordering slaughter left and right for immorality/Godlessness, but here he plays nice. Unless you were a slave/servant, of course.
I find Him inconsistent, at best.
But thanks again.
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Appreciate the thoughtful reply. I did read it all, and you've clearly come to terms with the issue. Still bothers me that God would work "within the confines of our lives" in this instance, but not in others. I mean, He's not the mayor, afterall; He's the supreme moral end-all. His wrath is evident throughout the OT, ordering slaughter left and right for immorality/Godlessness, but here he plays nice. Unless you were a slave/servant, of course.
I find Him inconsistent, at best.
But thanks again.
Hey man, we're talking and even we though disagree it's still civil and respectful. LOL, I'll take it.....with a big fat smile on my butt ugly face!!
Folks could learn a lesson from you, avxo and even syntax. ;)
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Hey man, we're talking and even we though disagree it's still civil and respectful. LOL, I'll take it.....with a big fat smile on my butt ugly face!!
Cool, as it should be.
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Now? This board hasn't been the same in years.
yep. 6+yrs ago this board was fucking awesome.
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Even though MOS and I might not agree on religion he is one of the few who walk the walk. He deserves credit for that.
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Even though MOS and I might not agree on religion he is one of the few who walk the walk. He deserves credit for that.
Agreed. He's a good man.
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Even though MOS and I might not agree on religion he is one of the few who walk the walk. He deserves credit for that.
Agreed. He's a good man.
You've each earned an official MOS lapride coupon. 8)
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Agreed. He's a good man.
Indeed,real good guy.
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Indeed,real good guy.
Make that 3 lapride coupons.
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Make that 3 lapride coupons.
I was hoping against hope to be included! ;D
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You've each earned an official MOS lapride coupon. 8)
Since when did Sodom and Gomorrah become an instruction manual? ;D