I saw allot in the 80's. We trained a few times together and went to lunch. He came into the club I was bouncing at all the time. It was so funny cause he would see me at a restaurtant or movie or just out and it just so happen he would almost always see me with a different girl. He would tell the girl to watch out for me and to make sure to use protection. he would say that in a normal voice with people around or not. Veyr embarrasing. He had the best tank tops. KW Enterprises. Then he went to work for ExtremeWear. Then I saw him at shows and talked to him on the phone when I had to order some shirts. I haven't talked to him in maybe a year or so. SO I had no idea he had left Extreme. I'll never forget, me Manny Perry, Ron Depolito watching him chase that car down the street to beat up those kids. That was so funny