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Samuel Clemens (aka, Mark Twain) used to “collect” girls between the ages of 10-16 years old.

On February 12, 1908, Clemens said, “I suppose we are all collectors… As for me, I collect pets: young girls — girls from ten to sixteen years old; girls who are pretty and sweet and naive and innocent — dear young creatures to whom life is a perfect joy and to whom it has brought no wounds, no bitterness, and few tears.”

Okay, so it isn’t actually as creepy as it initially sounds and in some ways is kind of sweet, but Samuel Clemens did love to entertain young girls.  Towards the end of Clemens’ life, he suffered quite a lot of hardship. His daughter, Susy, died in 1896 and his wife, Olivia, passed away in 1904, followed by a second daughter, Jean, in 1909. Clemens fell into a depression in the early 1900s and noted that while he had reached the grandfather stage of life, he had no grandchildren to keep him company. He therefore went about befriending young girls who he treated as surrogate granddaughters.

The girls in question were the daughters of couples who ran in his same social circle. He often met them on boats carting him back and forth to England or Bermuda, as was the case with Helen Allen. Allen was just twelve years old when Clemens stayed with her family in Bermuda. Her father was the American Vice-Council in Bermuda; her grandmother had known Clemens’ wife as a child. Clemens said Allen was “perfect in character, lovely in disposition, and a captivator at sight”- everything that Clemens wanted in his collection of young girls.

The group of girls were called “Angel Fish” or “the Aquarium Club.” The name is derived from the fish that Clemens first saw in Bermuda. He decided on that name because the angelfish “is the most beautiful fish that swims.” Clemens would buy angelfish pins in Bermuda and present them to each of his girls. Out of a dozen or so original pins, at least one is still in existence. It currently resides in the Mark Twain Library in Redding, Connecticut.

So what exactly did a man in his late seventies do with a bunch of teenaged girls? All manner of innocent, grandfatherly things. Clemens invited the girls to concerts, the theatre, and to his own house for card games, billiards, and reading. While in Bermuda, several of his Angel Fish had fun riding in a donkey-pulled cart with him. Clemens initially called his estate “Innocence at Home” in honour of “his girls.” He kept in touch with them by exchanging letters when they couldn’t visit, but always kept a room available and hoped to have an Angel Fish “in it as often as Providence will permit.” Before you get too much of a “Michael Jackson” vibe, it should be noted that the girls were always accompanied by a chaperone; the room for the Angel Fish even had two beds to accommodate a mother or guardian along with a girl.

Besides the room, Clemens’ house also had a billiard room which was refashioned into a sort of shrine to the Angel Fish. Above the door was a sign that said “the Aquarium” and inside the walls were lined with framed photos of each of the Aquarium Club’s members.

As innocent as it all was, if some celebrity tried to do that today, the press would have a field day with it, insinuating all manner of disgusting things, whether there was any evidence of such acts or not. In his day, it wasn’t really much of a scandal, though Clemens’ remaining daughter, Clara, didn’t appreciate the behavior, perhaps being a tad jealous. When she returned to her father’s home from a stint in Europe to find that he had collected a group of young girls to entertain, she made her father change the name of his house to “Stormfield” and stopped the household staff from saving letters from the Angel Fish. (Today the full collection of every surviving letter can be read in Mark Twain’s Aquarium: The Samuel Clemens-Angelfish Correspondence.)

The presence of chaperones probably should have put Clara’s mind at ease, but the letters Clemens wrote to his girls would definitely raise some eyebrows today. Shortly after Dorothy Harvey’s fourteenth birthday, he wrote to tell her “I wish I could have those free-gratis-for-nothing-voyages-&-nothing-to-do-but-look-at-you every day.” To Dorothy Quick, just eleven years old, he wrote after one of her visits, “I went to bed as soon as you departed, there being nothing left to live for after that, & all the sunshine gone. How do you suppose I am going to get along without you?” The letters showed his love and devotion to his girls and the enjoyment he experienced in spending time with them, but today parents would likely have used these letters as evidence in civil lawsuits.  

Despite this, only one relationship ever looked to be somewhat improper, and that wasn’t with one of his Angel Fish; further, the inappropriate overtures didn’t come from Clemens. The girl was Gertrude Natkin. He met her when she was 15 and he was 70 in 1905.  The two exchanged letters and Natkin developed a “school girl crush” on Clemens and went somewhat overboard in expressing her affection for him through her letters. Clemens became concerned about this and distanced himself from her- his letters growing more and more infrequent, because he didn’t want to gain a reputation for impropriety nor encourage her affections, perhaps proving that he saw his Angel Fish as nothing more than granddaughters.  Certainly, at the time, an adult male courting a 15 year old girl wouldn’t have raised eyebrows, particularly if the suitor was well-to-do and not too old.  But at 70, it would have been a scandal even in that time period.

Clemens died on April 21, 1910 of a heart attack, just a few years after establishing the Aquarium Club for his Angel Fish. All in all, there were around a dozen members of the club who visited Clemens regularly until his death, but his enthusiasm for the club waned in the last year of his life; he complained that his girls were growing up too fast, complained about their boyfriends, and cut off one girl when she turned sixteen.  In the end, his fondness for them primarily lying in their innocence, as something of a breath of fresh air in a cynical world, waned as they gradually lost that defining feature of children.


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Misconception? MJ?

Come on, bro.

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At least it was girls. 

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Misconception? MJ?

Come on, bro.
I'm saying that this case sounds eerily similar to Michael Jackson. Maybe both of these guys meant well, and were misunderstood. Twain looking to fill the void of losing his wife and two daughters. Jackson looking to get back his lost youth.

Or they could both have been creepy pedos.

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Jackson looking to get back his lost youth pre-teen pee pees.

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Michael was rolling with Lil Webster back in the day, instead of spending time with Brooke Shields.

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MJ's cases were never proven. He could have easily been re-living his lost youth by way of theme parks and young male friends.

This Twain story really does make you wonder. Is it true, innocent love (not in a sexual way) or was it predatory?

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MJ's cases were never proven.

He paid off the first kid, $15 mil. 

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He paid off the first kid, $15 mil. 
We all know about that. Why weren't little boys (and parents) lining up to sue him after this?

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We all know about that.

You know about it and you still don't believe?

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 03:41:16 PM »
He paid off the first kid, $15 mil. 

I thought the same thing man, it was easier for him to pay that family off, that same kid said jackson didnt do anything.

now im not a jacko fan, his a weird fuck, i dont care if can sing or dance he shouldnt be laying in bed with kids that are not his...now did he fuck them?? I doubt it, but creepy..he can slide as his was super famous.

the FBI investigated this for years and got NOTHING, the FBI locked him up and went through that home, tore it apart to find nothing, had he fucked a kid the FBI would know..

I say he did not, but now man should be laying on a bed or anything with a another persons kid.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 03:41:34 PM »
You know about it and you still don't believe?
Maybe he just felt sorry for the family at some point. Money was no object for him. He just wanted it to be over. Paying someone off does not mean you are guilty.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 11:08:42 PM »
MJ was connected to two dozens boys. Millions, upon millions of pay offs.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 11:10:39 PM »
MJ was connected to two dozens boys. Millions, upon millions of pay offs.

This

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 11:14:18 PM »
MJ was connected to two dozens boys. Millions, upon millions of pay offs.

are these off the net, cause they are not fact, the daily mail reported that but i was only reported not proven.

if they fact then fuck the parents. michael fucking there kid paid off, there more guilty then jackson is.



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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 11:17:14 PM »
Men and Women don't hang out as "friends"...Let alone grown men and little kids...Every single story written about such things ALWAYS in the end turns out to be creepy sexual perverts...Every single one of them. The problem we have had going on for many years now, is that the Hierarchy bloodline controls the media and they are the ones who also control who reads what. Same as music...Mark Twain is considered a great writer because the homosexual Hierarchy media cramped it down our throats(because they knew he was Satan's little helper)...Almost everybody wrote short stories and books before the light bulb was invented...And like the Mr.Olympia lineup, it was those who sucked off the Hierarchy the best that got noticed...You don't have to believe in Hell to realize that the people who run shit do in fact believe in such a place and are running shit the way they believe hell would be run... :-\

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 11:21:59 PM »
Maybe he just felt sorry for the family at some point. Money was no object for him. He just wanted it to be over. Paying someone off does not mean you are guilty.

I agree, sometimes its easier to just pay them off, the pay off figures are always inflated, some say 20M others say 5M

lawyers told MJ to fight it, he didnt want to go through it.

he should of been locked up anyway.

the fact is the FBI did everything they can to put him in jail and they could not, the feds couldnt find anything on him so im going with that.

I cant stand MJ neither, his a total crook, he owed heaps of people money and just  did not bother to even pay them back.

he owed banks, middle eastern princes that paid him to do concerts and he never showed up, his a class A fuckwit.

Now back to shizzo saying "because you pay doesnt mean your guilty"  I agree, i have paid for things i did not need to just so i didnt have to hear about it again.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 11:24:51 PM »
this guy has fucked many child stars, parents not caring cause viacom pays well...booom



Robert Downey Jr. allegedly wrote the following statement about Dan Schneider on Crazy Days and Nights under the screen name Himmmm:


Hes a monster. The WORST predator alive. And if you wonder why nobody will confront or charge him? Hes in charge of multiple HIT SHOWS for Nick which rakes in oceans of money. Tens of millions of dollars multiplied by many years and many shows (not to mention his merchandising royalties). So Viacom-Nick warn him to cool it - then pay for his damn lawyers.

What about the parents? No tweener parent who shoved their kid into the limelight from birth is going to cross him either, and risk career suicide and loss of revenue (and residuals and future career). No matter how bad it ****s up the kids. Especially if theres MULTIPLE kid actors in the family. And the kids agents are complicit too. Just ask the Spears family. A LOT of settlements get paid out of Viacoms accounts.
There have been rumors swirling about Dan Schneider for quite some time. Rumors that he is the father Jamie Lynn Spears daughter, got Amanda Bynes pregnant and paid for her abortion, and took the virginity of countless Nickelodeon starlettes. A quick Google search will show you how many people are catching onto this guy and questioning his innocence.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 11:47:25 PM »
if you are associated in anything hollywood you have sold your soul long time ago

lots of pedos so nothing new you think the mickey mouse club gang didnt get fukd

even justin timberlake but thats the price you pay for "fame"

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 11:50:44 PM »
his "masterpieces" were incipient forms of subliminal programming

yes he was a pedofile and a programmer for the elite

the retard who wrote "at least it was girls" condones pedofilia

all "famous" writers did the biding for the elite, that's why they were "famous"

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 11:51:48 PM »
his "masterpieces" were incipient forms of subliminal programming

yes he was a pedofile and a programmer for the elite

the retard who wrote "at least it was girls" condones pedofilia

all "famous" writers did the biding for the elite, that's why they were "famous"

my friend, what are you on about?

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 11:58:40 PM »
if you are associated in anything hollywood you have sold your soul long time ago

lots of pedos so nothing new you think the mickey mouse club gang didnt get fukd

even justin timberlake but thats the price you pay for "fame"

of course they got fucked, christina and britney got there cherry popped at around 11 yrs old.

britney was sexually assaulted many times, but family was paid off. "Hit me baby one more time"


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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2013, 12:20:46 AM »
my friend, what are you on about?
I knew about Twain from years ago

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 01:53:00 AM »
MJ was strange no doubt, but he was actually set up, and it worked because nobody would believe him because how weird he could be. He was probably mentally ill later on, those greedy people basically killed the man.

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Re: Was Mark Twain a pedo? Can this be a misconception like Michael Jackson?
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2013, 02:04:55 AM »
of course they got fucked, christina and britney got there cherry popped at around 11 yrs old.

britney was sexually assaulted many times, but family was paid off. "Hit me baby one more time"



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