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We all remember earlier this month when Rush Limbaugh encouraged Republicans to vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohios primaries. In Ohio when you change parties you must sign a form stating you are doing so because you believe in the political ideals of that party. Lying on that form is a criminal act, and has now spawned an investigation:
The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections has launched an investigation that could lead to criminal charges against voters who maliciously switched parties for the March 4 presidential primary.
Elections workers will look for evidence that voters lied when they signed affidavits pledging allegiance to their new party. And at least one board member, Sandy McNair, a Democrat, wants the county prosecutor to review the findings.
But it remained unclear Wednesday whether the four-member board will agree to pursue prosecution. A 2-2 vote would mean that Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, would have to break the tie.
After the election a lot of these cross overs went on the air and proudly proclaimed that they did it for Rush. Little did they know they were admitting before the nation that they may have just broken the law.
Now the question remains about Rushs involvement in this. Using the public airwaves to encourage people to break the law has been a shady area in the past. If charges do come out of the investigation, then the FCC needs to look at Rushs involvement and possibly take action against him, as well as all affiliates that carry his show.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/22/using-public-airwaves-to-encourage-criminal-acts/
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Now how do you enforce a law like that? It is completely subjective.
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We all remember earlier this month when Rush Limbaugh encouraged Republicans to vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohios primaries. In Ohio when you change parties you must sign a form stating you are doing so because you believe in the political ideals of that party. Lying on that form is a criminal act, and has now spawned an investigation:
The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections has launched an investigation that could lead to criminal charges against voters who maliciously switched parties for the March 4 presidential primary.
Elections workers will look for evidence that voters lied when they signed affidavits pledging allegiance to their new party. And at least one board member, Sandy McNair, a Democrat, wants the county prosecutor to review the findings.
But it remained unclear Wednesday whether the four-member board will agree to pursue prosecution. A 2-2 vote would mean that Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, would have to break the tie.
After the election a lot of these cross overs went on the air and proudly proclaimed that they did it for Rush. Little did they know they were admitting before the nation that they may have just broken the law.
Now the question remains about Rushs involvement in this. Using the public airwaves to encourage people to break the law has been a shady area in the past. If charges do come out of the investigation, then the FCC needs to look at Rushs involvement and possibly take action against him, as well as all affiliates that carry his show.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/22/using-public-airwaves-to-encourage-criminal-acts/
Why don't I hear you complaining about Obama encouraging voters to do the same thing for him?
There's nothing illegal about doing this in 99% of the country and that county it's debatable and they're just putting on a dog and pony show.
Democrats have been doing this for decades.
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Now how do you enforce a law like that? It is completely subjective.
It's not completely subjective for the dittoheads who publicly said they did it for Rush ;)
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Why don't I hear you complaining about Obama encouraging voters to do the same thing for him?
There's nothing illegal about doing this in 99% of the country and that county it's debatable and they're just putting on a dog and pony show.
Democrats have been doing this for decades.
I am not aware that he encouraged people to cross over to disenfranchise his opponent in ohio. He wanted the republican's to cross over and vote for him. There's nothing illegal about that. This is about people who signed on the dotted line with intentions they pubically announced that violate the aggreement. In Texas it's ok to do this but not in Ohio. That's the issue, Obama didn't do the same thing as Rush.
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they oughta fix that law. If someone is a registered Repub, they shouldn't be voting in the Dem primary anyway. yes, you'll upset some people who change parties and won't go register. But there is a loophole allowing abuse, and they're using it.
personally, I think it will HELP the democrats. people choose an emotional favorite in ANY fight they see, even if its two homeless guys in an alley fighting over a bottle of Boone's Farm. Repubs and Dems are watching this fight, and excusing flaws with their choice in the fight. That means many independents won't give a shit about obama's pastor in November.
7 1/2 months til the election. Do you think anyone will care about his old pastor in 30 weeks?
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they oughta fix that law. If someone is a registered Repub, they shouldn't be voting in the Dem primary anyway. yes, you'll upset some people who change parties and won't go register. But there is a loophole allowing abuse, and they're using it.
personally, I think it will HELP the democrats. people choose an emotional favorite in ANY fight they see, even if its two homeless guys in an alley fighting over a bottle of Boone's Farm. Repubs and Dems are watching this fight, and excusing flaws with their choice in the fight. That means many independents won't give a shit about obama's pastor in November.
7 1/2 months til the election. Do you think anyone will care about his old pastor in 30 weeks?
Who gives a shit about him now?
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Okay, I read some of the news stories on this, and Rush is free and clear. Here's why: It is not a crime in Ohio to vote in the other party's election for disingenuous reasons per se. An election worker may, but is not required to, have someone switching parties sign an affidavit pledging loyalty to his new party's principles. The voter has only committed a crime if he was required to sign such an affidavit and lied.
So, unless Rush said, "oh, by the way, if they make you sign an affidavit you should lie on it", he did not encourage anyone to commit a crime.
So sorry, libs! ;D
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It's not completely subjective for the dittoheads who publicly said they did it for Rush ;)
And when those same people are questioned by law enforcement authorities, they will say Rush convinced them that they should "pledge loyalty to his new party's principles."
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Okay, I read some of the news stories on this, and Rush is free and clear. Here's why: It is not a crime in Ohio to vote in the other party's election for disingenuous reasons per se. An election worker may, but is not required to, have someone switching parties sign an affidavit pledging loyalty to his new party's principles. The voter has only committed a crime if he was required to sign such an affidavit and lied.
So, unless Rush said, "oh, by the way, if they make you sign an affidavit you should lie on it", he did not encourage anyone to commit a crime.
So sorry, libs! ;D
relax, if they didn't sign it, then I agree. Do we know they didn't sign them?
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relax, if they didn't sign it, then I agree. Do we know they didn't sign them?
Some did, and that's the issue. But since it was not required, and Rush didn't speak about the affidavits directly, he can't be prosecuted.
In reality, I doubt anyone will be prosecuted regardless, even the dumbasses who bragged. Going after voters for voting is bad PR, and there are a couple of potential Constitutional issues here, so I doubt it will go anywhere.
Like someone else said, it's a "dog & pony" show.
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We'll see what the investigation turns up ;) ... It looks like they did sign and some were stupid enough to admit the purpose...
The investigation comes 10 days after The Plain Dealer reported that more than 16,000 Cuyahoga County Republicans changed parties before voting March 4.
After the election, some local Republicans admitted they changed parties only to influence which Democrat would face presumed Republican nominee John McCain in November. One voter scribbled the following addendum to his pledge as a new Democrat: "For one day only."
Such an admission amounts to voter fraud, said McNair, who pushed for the investigation.
"I'm looking for evidence," McNair said. "I'm not interested in a witch hunt. But I am interested in holding people accountable, whether they're Democrat or Republican."
Lying on the signed statement is a fifth-degree felony, punishable by six to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.
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maybe they'll do what Florida did... put them on a criminal "might-be" list so they cannot vote in November lol...
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Some did, and that's the issue. But since it was not required, and Rush didn't speak about the afadavits directly, he can't be prosecuted.
In reality, I doubt anyone will be prosecuted regardless, even the dumbasses who bragged. Going after voters for voting is bad PR, and there are a couple of potential Constutional issues here, so I doubt it will go anywhere.
Like someone else said, it's a "dog & pony" show.
I agree. Sounds like this might be unconstitutional. Definitely not worth a taxpayer funded investigation.
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I don't think anything will happen with this either actually, it's the way it goes.
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I agree. Sounds like this might be unconstitutional. Definitely not worth a taxpayer funded investigation.
yea, but you don't think taxpayer money should be used for anything but refunds :D
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yea, but you don't think taxpayer money should be used for anything but refunds :D
Not entirely true. Although I am looking forward to that extra $1200 refund in a few weeks. :)
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yea, but you don't think taxpayer money should be used for anything but refunds :D
What refund? The fucckers capped the income level to qualify for the rebate, and I ain't getting shit. >:(
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Not entirely true. Although I am looking forward to that extra $1200 refund in a few weeks. :)
You should buy a copy of Sam Walton's book, and actually read it this time ;)
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You should buy a copy of Sam Walton's book, and actually read it this time ;)
I'd rather re-read one of Milton Friedman's books.
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Not entirely true. Although I am looking forward to that extra $1200 refund in a few weeks. :)
Must be nice... I just barely squeaked out having to not pay even with the stimulus. I don't know how much money you guys make, but I have to use every loophole in the Tax code to just break even, and I'm not rich by any stretch.
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You should buy a copy of Sam Walton's book, and actually read it this time ;)
You should vote in the election, instead of lying about this time.
Hey are you a Republican, libertarian, or independent this week?
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Must be nice... I just barely squeaked out having to not pay even with the stimulus. I don't know how much money you guys make, but I have to use every loophole in the Tax code to just break even, and I'm not rich by any stretch.
That extra refund is based solely on the number of dependents (at least that's what someone told me today).
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That extra refund is based solely on the number of dependents (at least that's what someone told me today).
That's part of it, but there's an income cap as well.
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That extra refund is based solely on the number of dependents (at least that's what someone told me today).
Yeah... STILL didn't help.
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What refund? The fucckers capped the income level to qualify for the rebate, and I ain't getting shit. >:(
It is well established that you are one of getbig's millionaires ::) , so why would you need a little gov't refund? Isn't that being excessively greedy?
Why don't you donate the rebate you would have received to a great charity such as the UNCF? ;D
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That's part of it, but there's an income cap as well.
Yeah, I think TurboTax told me that too... All I know is that I had to put down so many deductions relating to my work expenses that it was unreal.
I think I owe like 50 bucks or something.
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It is well established that you are one of getbig's millionaires ::) , so why would you need a little gov't refund? Isn't that being excessively greedy?
Why don't you donate the rebate you would have received to a great charity such as the UNCF? ;D
Seems to me I paid in just as much as anyone else. Why should I not be entitled to the same rebate most others are getting?
And who's to say I wouldn't donate it to charity? But that should be my choice, not the government's.
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That's part of it, but there's an income cap as well.
Well that sucks. I haven't gotten my letter saying how much my refund would be, but someone told me today it is $300 per dependent (didn't mention the income cap).
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Well that sucks. I haven't gotten my letter saying how much my refund would be, but someone told me today it is $300 per dependent (didn't mention the income cap).
It's like $300 per, up to a max of $1200.
I think it phases out at $75k.
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300 per dependent under 17, I believe.
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Seems to me I paid in just as much as anyone else. Why should I not be entitled to the same rebate most others are getting?
Because as a wealthy individual Goatboy, you are well aware that there are others that need it more. Selfishness is not an admirable attribute...especially when displayed by the upper class.
And who's to say I wouldn't donate it to charity? But that should be my choice, not the government's.
I never said you didn't. Of course it is your choice. Charitable donations are not government mandated, although those who reach a certain income bracket should be given greater incentive to do so. I was simply making a suggestion on what you can do with the rebate amount you aren't going to receive. Again, I suggest the UNCF as the most logical choice for someone such as yourself. :)
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i agree with Goatboy here. Donald Trump deserves that $300 just as much as your average Walmart worker. Probably more, as he paid a shitload more in taxes (maybe not proportate, but certainly a higher number)
Of course poor people can use it more. But shit, I am sure there are 3 billion people in the world who could use $300 worth of grain a lot more than we could use a new pile of DVDs.... but we're sure not sending it over.
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i agree with Goatboy here. Donald Trump deserves that $300 just as much as your average Walmart worker. Probably more, as he paid a shitload more in taxes (maybe not proportate, but certainly a higher number)
Of course poor people can use it more. But shit, I am sure there are 3 billion people in the world who could use $300 worth of grain a lot more than we could use a new pile of DVDs.... but we're sure not sending it over.
Exactly. Liberals always decry the "wealthy", then forget that it is a relative term. A working-class American is Bill Gates compared to most of the population in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia.
Perhaps YOU have an obligation to send your $300 to one of these poor souls, Benny Blanco. As a "wealthy" individual, you are well aware there are others who need it more! :D
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i agree with Goatboy here. Donald Trump deserves that $300 just as much as your average Walmart worker. Probably more, as he paid a shitload more in taxes (maybe not proportate, but certainly a higher number)
Of course poor people can use it more. But shit, I am sure there are 3 billion people in the world who could use $300 worth of grain a lot more than we could use a new pile of DVDs.... but we're sure not sending it over.
Tell that to Warren Buffett, who revealed that he is paying proportionately less taxes than his secretary, no thanks to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy. He is the richest man in the WORLD, and he advocates higher taxes on the wealthy. So fuck Trump...Buffett is smarter than Trump and could buy and sell him 40 times over. :D
I'm sure Trump is desperate for a $300 rebate. ::) It's selfish bastards like you and Goatboy who care nothing about the world, only your own materialistic self interests.
Shall I make the call that the UNCF should expect your $300 donation shortly Goatboy, or will you go ahead and make the call yourself? ;D
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LOL ;D
Billionaire Donald Trump, has dropped a political bomb on his fellow tycoons: He wants to tax their accumulated wealth and pay off the National Debt in a single year!
Trump has called for a one-time 14.25 percent tax on the net worth of individuals and trusts worth $10 million or more. Trump says this would generate $5.7 trillion in new taxes which would then be used to eliminate the National Debt. The savings in annual interest payments, which Trump estimates at $200 billion, would be used to ensure the solvency of the Social Security system.
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Tell that to Warren Buffett, who revealed that he is paying proportionately less taxes than his secretary, no thanks to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy. He is the richest man in the WORLD, and he advocates higher taxes on the wealthy. So fuck Trump...Buffett is smarter than Trump and could buy and sell him 40 times over. :D
I'm sure Trump is desperate for a $300 rebate. ::) It's selfish bastards like you and Goatboy who care nothing about the world, only your own materialistic self interests.
Shall I make the call that the UNCF should expect your $300 donation shortly Goatboy, or will you go ahead and make the call yourself? ;D
Yes - I conceded the wealthy pay proportionately less and I'm well aware the secretaries of CEOs pay less proportionately, but more total amount.
I thought my example showed that we're ALL being hypocritical. How can you say Joe Blow who made $60k needs that $300 more than a starving family in Rwanda? You can't. But Joe Blow will spend that $ at the mall on some new kicks and then hit Virgin records for some DVDs then lunch at Sbarro's.
Trump isn't desperate for the $300. And Buffet is correct that the wealthy should pay more in the 'take care of people' sense.
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Tell that to Warren Buffett, who revealed that he is paying proportionately less taxes than his secretary, no thanks to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy. He is the richest man in the WORLD, and he advocates higher taxes on the wealthy. So fuck Trump...Buffett is smarter than Trump and could buy and sell him 40 times over. :D
I'm sure Trump is desperate for a $300 rebate. ::) It's selfish bastards like you and Goatboy who care nothing about the world, only your own materialistic self interests.
Shall I make the call that the UNCF should expect your $300 donation shortly Goatboy, or will you go ahead and make the call yourself? ;D
Depends. Will you be sending your $300 to the impoverished people of Africa? As a "wealthy person" you have an obligation, you know. Don't be a "selfish bastard", Benny! :D
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LOL ;D
Billionaire Donald Trump, has dropped a political bomb on his fellow tycoons: He wants to tax their accumulated wealth and pay off the National Debt in a single year!
Trump has called for a one-time 14.25 percent tax on the net worth of individuals and trusts worth $10 million or more. Trump says this would generate $5.7 trillion in new taxes which would then be used to eliminate the National Debt. The savings in annual interest payments, which Trump estimates at $200 billion, would be used to ensure the solvency of the Social Security system.
The only problem with that is that money isn't sitting in some bank vault doing nothing... it's invested and financing our economy. You can't suck it all out at once without creating massive problems.
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The only problem with that is that money isn't sitting in some bank vault doing nothing... it's invested and financing our economy. You can't suck it all out at once without creating massive problems.
Good point. They can finance the debt :P
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Depends. Will you be sending your $300 to the impoverished people of Africa? As a "wealthy person" you have an obligation, you know. Don't be a "selfish bastard", Benny! :D
I donate a portion of my income every month to two different charities of my choice. It far exceeds any $300 rebate.
However, as getbig's resident millionaire Goatboy, you are obligated to set an example for us all and make out a big check to the UNCF today! Will you pledge to do so now as an expression of solidarity with the African-American community you obviously hold in such high esteem?
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I donate a portion of my income every month to two different charities of my choice. It far exceeds any $300 rebate.
And what makes you think I don't?
However, as getbig's resident millionaire Goatboy, you are obligated to set an example for us all and make out a big check to the UNCF today! Will you pledge to do so now as an expression of solidarity with the African-American community you obviously hold in such high esteem?
Compared to the impoverished in Africa, you're a "millionaire" as well. Now, can we count on you to send them your tax rebate? :D
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By the way, I would never contribute one cent to the UNCF. It is a racist organization the awards or denies scholarships based on race.
I would, however, donate to a charity that awarded scholarships to disadvantaged children of all races.
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By the way, I would never contribute one cent to the UNCF. It is a racist organization the awards or denies scholarships based on race.
I would, however, donate to a charity that awarded scholarships to disadvantaged children of all races.
Interesting. Do you feel the same way about these "racist" scholarships as well, Goatboy? ::)
Partial List of Scholarships for White Americans
The following is a short assortment of scholarships with a white ethnic focus. This is a casual compilation intended to demonstrate the wide availability of scholarships that are tailored and targeted for white students based on their ethnic origin. There are literally many hundreds of thousands and perhaps many millions of scholarships like these that are available for students with various white ethnic origins.
It is not a comment against these types of scholarships! ~ In fact, this web site sees nothing wrong with ethnicity being a criteria for some scholarships, including scholarships that are geared towards various white ethnic groups.
By the same token, we also see nothing wrong in scholarships that are geared towards non-white ethnic groups and other diverse groups such as woman, GLBT, national origin, age, veteran, language speakers, people with disabilities, geographical area etc.
Given the fact of the wide availability of white/ethnic scholarships we seriously question the motives of those who are so loudly outraged at scholarships with a non-white minority focus.
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Pulaski Merit Scholarships - Polish
Abraham Fellowship - Jewish
Mitchell Scholarships - Irish
Irish American Scholarship Fund
UWM Polish-American Scholarship
Association of Italian American Charities Dr. Frank C. Marino Memorial Scholarship
Polish-American FREEDOM FOUNDATION Lane Kirkland Scholarship Program
Trans-Canada Alliance of German-Canadians - Scholarship
Jewish War Veterans National Scholarship Program
Walter N. and Frances Hnatiuk Scholarship - Ukranian
The Kosciuszko Foundation's Tuition Scholarships for Polish Americans
Marinelli Scholarship - Italian
Irish-American Scholars Program
Starkoff Fellowship- Jewish
Polish-American Congress Scholarship
Augustus Society Italian Scholarships
Kosciuszko Foundation Tuition Scholarship - Polish
Deutscher Brόderliche Bund Scholarship - German
Petryshyn Memorial Scholarship - Ukranian
Norman R. Peterson Italian Scholarship
Ethel Marcus Memorial Fellowship - Jewish
Polish Scholarship Fund, Inc.
National Italian American Foundation Assunta Luchetti Martino
Scholarship for International Studies
Anna and Charles Stockwitz Fund - Jewish
Charles and Louise Rosenbaum Scholarship Loan Fund - Jewish
B'nai Brith Women of Greater Hartford Scholarship
Massachusetts Federation of Polish Women's Clubs Scholarships
Jewish Social Service Agency of Metropolitan Washington
Levie Educational Fund Scholarship - Jewish
American Council for Polish Culture Scholarship Challenge Grant
George L. Graziado Fellowship for Business - Italian
Marcus and Theresa Levie Educational Fund - Jewish
The Roothbert Fund - Jewish
Polish American Club Scholarship
Jewish Foundation for Education of Women Scholarship
Jewish War Veterans of the USA - Scholarship
National Italian American Foundation George L. Graziado Fellowship for Business
National Italian American Foundation Merrill Lynch Scholarship
Jewish Welfare Board Scholarship
Amelia Greenbaum Scholarship Fund - Jewish
National Italian American Foundation National Italian American Foundation
National Italian American Foundation Alexander Defilippis Scholarship
Encouragement Scholarship -Jewish
Vincent Viceglia Fellowship- Italian
Free Sons of Israel - Jewish Scholarship
Polish American Arts Association Scholarship
Frank L. Weil Memorial Scholarship - Jewish
Adele Kagen Scholarship Fund - Jewish
National Italian American Foundation Bolla Wines Scholarship
Rhode Island Polonia Scholarship
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Interesting. Do you feel the same way about these "racist" scholarships as well, Goatboy? ::)
Yes, as a matter of fact.
I don't believe there should be a racial or ancestry test for receiving scholarships. It should be based on need and merit.
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Yes, as a matter of fact.
I don't believe there should be a racial or ancestry test for receiving scholarships. It should be based on need.
I disagree. Given the ridiculous tuition amounts of today's colleges and universities, I see nothing wrong with people getting all the help they can get from as many sources as are available to them.
Good that you are consistent, although I doubt you ever "rant" about ethnic scholarships such as these unless they apply to black people. ::)
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RE: thread theme. Whether or not its legal, i think most of the framers of our country would act quickly to erase such corrupt acts of voting manipulation.
They did their best to construct a fair pattern equal for all candidates....going around the system is ethically and morally wrong. And i would think ones conscience would say so...
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Good that you are consistent, although I doubt you ever "rant" about ethnic scholarships such as these unless they apply to black people. ::)
Who is ranting? You're the one who brought up the UNCF.
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RE: thread theme. Whether or not its legal, i think most of the framers of our country would act quickly to erase such corrupt acts of voting manipulation.
They did their best to construct a fair pattern equal for all candidates....going around the system is ethically and morally wrong. And i would think ones conscience would say so...
Actually it is quite fair since both sides can do it to each other.
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Actually it is quite fair since both sides can do it to each other.
Which gets us no where, which is why the forefathers would fix it.
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Why should you have to declare your political beliefs to the government anyway? The whole idea is kind of sketchy... it's not like you're on a "team" requiring loyalty. We're all Americans, and our only loyalty should be to our country, not to some party. If someone wants to vote in a democratic primary one year, and in a republican primary the next, that should be their right.
Open primary states have it right... you don't have to declare allegiance to any party ever, and you can vote in whatever primary you want, the only requirement being that you cannot vote in more than one party's primary in the same election.
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Why should you have to declare your political beliefs to the government anyway? The whole idea is kind of sketchy... it's not like you're on a "team" requiring loyalty. We're all Americans, and our only loyalty should be to our country, not to some party. If someone wants to vote in a democratic primary one year, and in a republican primary the next, that should be their right.
Open primary states have it right... you don't have to declare allegiance to any party ever, and you can vote in whatever primary you want, the only requirement being that you cannot vote in more than one party's primary in the same election.
Spot on.
In that vein, here is Obama asking Republicans to vote Democrat in Pennsylvania:
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_Wants_Republicans_/2008/03/22/82330.html
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Which gets us no where, which is why the forefathers would fix it.
If that were true your side would have abandoned those tactics long ago.
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If that were true your side would have abandoned those tactics long ago.
We're all on the same side, Brix. The USA.
Political parties are simply entities that we use to achieve great things for the USA. You're not on the repub side... you're using the repub party to meet your vision of America.
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Which gets us no where, which is why the forefathers would fix it.
If that were true your side would have abandoned those tactics long ago.
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Why should you have to declare your political beliefs to the government anyway? The whole idea is kind of sketchy... it's not like you're on a "team" requiring loyalty. We're all Americans, and our only loyalty should be to our country, not to some party.
Exactly! I always thought that was the stupidest thing!
It reminds me of those who have it so ass backwards in the middle east who wear their political affiliations on their heads, ...depending on what colour headscarf they wear. Whose business is it anyways? no ones. Least of all the gov
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Oh brother ::) This is the primary, where DEMOCRATS vote for who they want to have the nomination. If you want to vote in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, it's hardly out of line for a state to ask that your intentions are within the party. This isn't exactly the same as Bush requiring loyalty oaths be signed to hear him speak.
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Oh brother ::) This is the primary, where DEMOCRATS vote for who they want to have the nomination. If you want to vote in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, it's hardly out of line for a state to ask that your intentions are within the party. This isn't exactly the same as Bush requiring loyalty oaths be signed to hear him speak.
That part I completely understand. I was referring in general terms of declaring your party affiliation for the gov.
I don't think you should have to until voting day at the ballot box, ...but within your system it makes primaries rife for tampering. I guess the Canadian parliamentary system is just plain... better! :P
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Oh brother ::) This is the primary, where DEMOCRATS vote for who they want to have the nomination. If you want to vote in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, it's hardly out of line for a state to ask that your intentions are within the party. This isn't exactly the same as Bush requiring loyalty oaths be signed to hear him speak.
Exactly, and there is the small matter of them trying to "sabotage" democracy just to make sure their side has a better chance in the election - somehow that doesn't sit right.
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easy way to solve this bs is to have all the primaries at the same time.
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easy way to solve this bs is to have all the primaries at the same time.
I kind of like that idea. Or they should eliminate the requirement that you belong to a particular party to vote in the primary or sign "loyalty" oaths.
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I kind of like that idea. Or they should eliminate the requirement that you belong to a particular party to vote in the primary or sign "loyalty" oaths.
exactly and having them at the same time would eliminate many of the problems that bring the parties to require early registration and loyalty oaths.
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exactly and having them at the same time would eliminate many of the problems that bring the parties to require early registration and loyalty oaths.
Will never happen. Makes too much sense.
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Will never happen. Makes too much sense.
but hey, lets celebrate, it's not often we agree on something :)
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but hey, lets celebrate, it's not often we agree on something :)
True. :) Now you can go bash me in the president thread. :D