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what combo of steroids produce the "grainy" look?
is it achievable without GH?
expert opinions appreciated!
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Gh is probably the opposite of grainy look.
Hth
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I could be wrong....but it seems to be a "Genetic thing" some guys no matter what they do/how low their bodyfat is...never get that "graininess"/others just have it (Yates,Branch Warren etc)
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Tren
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is it something to do with having pale thin skin?
Haney looked "grainy"
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if anything, gh will make your lines fade.
gh is the worst possible drug for the grainy look.
it seems like in small doses it helps... some of these guys that swear by GH for health/aging reasons get ripped and grainy with it (non BB like that scott fag bragging about his money all the time)
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sweet potato and oatmeal
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ive heard Halo is very good for the grainy look but quite harsh on the liver
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forget it, even at small doses, one will definitely be harder wo the gh than with it.
all competitors here i know go off of it couple weeks before a show.
it causes a water retention difeent to steroids, youll know it when you try it.
even at very lean, itll cause water retention, its in its nature, its how it works.
even at 2iu and clean diet and while being shredded, it makes some lines fade.
its weird, if you flex, the muscle looks like it wants to explode out of the skin, but yeah.film of water, can be quite bad, sock marks etc.
very typicaly on abs, lean abs with film of water on them.
Intredasting.
I r did not know that.
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grainy= lean
combo of test, tren,and t3 should do it. throw in halo or 'oral tren' for a few weeks towards the end.
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So this gh water retention can't be manipulated through diet, sodium and fluid intake?
A lot of guys that compete are gonna take diuretics anyway. So if they need to eliminate the gh prior to the show leads me to believe that's the only way...
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So this gh water retention can't be manipulated through diet, sodium and fluid intake?
A lot of guys that compete are gonna take diuretics anyway. So if they need to eliminate the gh prior to the show leads me to believe that's the only way...
when you take GH out, right around week three is when you look your best. same with test, 2-3 weeks after a heavy test cycle. so the question I ask is why the fuck would someone just trying to look good who doesn't plan to compete use test or gh in the first place.
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Intredasting.
I r did not know that.
I see what you did there ;D
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sure diuretics would work.or extremly clean diet, but still, wo it, everything else the same, gonna look harder.
now i read alot what ppl do to control it, and it seems the only ones who pull it off use diuretics couple days a week.
maybe not having daily gh shots helps a bit, not sure.
The more ius of gh the more water retention I would imagine.
when you take GH out, right around week three is when you look your best. same with test, 2-3 weeks after a heavy test cycle. so the question I ask is why the fuck would someone just trying to look good who doesn't plan to compete use test or gh in the first place.
You mean why not just use test if you're not gonna compete?
Looking good for everyday is much different than getting stage ready so I take it that's what you meant. Everyone should use test regardless, even just a bit cause its what your body needs to run optimally.
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Good lighting.
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sure diuretics would work.or extremly clean diet, but still, wo it, everything else the same, gonna look harder.
now i read alot what ppl do to control it, and it seems the only ones who pull it off use diuretics couple days a week.
maybe not having daily gh shots helps a bit, not sure.
Whats your opinion on the Masterona, or Primopolano?
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2 ends of the spectrum yates was biggest ,freakiest grainy,and galineko's boy hamdullah was the light heavy version complete skinned on a small bone frame...
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is it something to do with having pale thin skin?
Haney looked "grainy"
dense, muscularity
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this is a god point, there are some mirrors, when i walk past that one i broad sunlight, the reflection gives the sides of my legs that granite like look.
shocked myself.im sure you know what i mean the quads viewed from the side, that area often gets that look.
@borracho, i guess itll be the case, the more ius the more water, now i kinda understand why some pros get striated glutes but knda faded muscle lines elsewhere.
a god example, i cant word it differently, when the gh muscles are working-under load-flexed, the striations pop out, it presses hard agains the skin,feels lie a baloon filling with air.
but always with the company of small water film.the fullness gh gives is quite something else.
masteron very good, if you can keep your hair on it, primo very weak, its the weaker equipoise basically, and equipoise is weak ass shit already.to get decent results must run something like a gramm weekly, and is expensive and not sure if its even rpoduced anymore.
primo is ok for a very very careful beginner.
masteron is serious steroid for men :D
fucking hell, now it occurs to me i never tried test e with masteron, maybe its time to do that sometime :D
While drugs is the biggest part of bodybuilding now a days, you guys still have to remember that bodybuilding is still a game of illusion.
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GH has nothing to do with a grainy look. Diet has all most everything to do with it. Even a very thin layer of fat will ruin it. Also you must have as little sub Q water as possible. That's a whole thread in itself.
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The more ius of gh the more water retention I would imagine.
You mean why not just use test if you're not gonna compete?
Looking good for everyday is much different than getting stage ready so I take it that's what you meant. Everyone should use test regardless, even just a bit cause its what your body needs to run optimally.
yeah bro I meant that nobody has any business running test as a "base" if they are not on gh. id keep it at 500mg,,, tops. also I think a guy on a gram of deca and a gram of eq will be bigger than a guy on 2 grams of test.
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It's very genetic obviously.
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It's very genetic obviously.
I wouldn't go that far. Lots of guys in the 80's had the grainy look. I have been at some pro shows and seen them up close. Sometimes photos don't show it well. No one today will be grainy with all the slin they are using. Like I said, very low fat and holding no water or it's not there.
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I'm not a big fan of the grainy look. Unless a guy is blessed with great muscle bellies they tend to look stringy.
Talking regular people, obviously pros are massive and won't look stringy.
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This might sound kinda dull but I thought the grainy look was from moving big weights year after year.
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I wouldn't go that far. Lots of guys in the 80's had the grainy look. I have been at some pro shows and seen them up close. Sometimes photos don't show it well. No one today will be grainy with all the slin they are using. Like I said, very low fat and holding no water or it's not there.
Depends on what you mean by grainy. If we mean like Dorian then not many duplicated the same type of look to the skin.
Guys have different "skins" even when doing the exact same drugs. Some have a thick skinned look, like Dexter IMO.
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You can get as lean as u want with diet u just won't carry as much muscle...
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Depends on what you mean by grainy. If we mean like Dorian then not many duplicated the same type of look to the skin.
Guys have different "skins" even when doing the exact same drugs. Some have a thick skinned look, like Dexter IMO.
Dexter is grainy. Look at him up close and you will see why he was beating everyone few years back. As I mentioned before pics don't show it all. Dexter doesn't look all that impressive from afar. The closer you get you see what the judges see, shredded as fuck and grainy. Maybe not like Dorian but a grainy look non the less.
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i can put it best like this.
if you want to look impressive in every day life, full round and 3d you need gh. anabolics alone will not give you that look that gh does.
if you want to be dense grainy and look like granite, you need to forgo the gh and focus on compounds like tren ace, prop, and diuretics to get rid of any sub q water.
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Factors for grainy
1. no fat, no water, most important factor
2. genetics, 2nd most important factor
3. Tren, var, winny, halo and maybe masteron, third most important factor.
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Dexter is grainy. Look at him up close and you will see why he was beating everyone few years back. As I mentioned before pics don't show it all. Dexter doesn't look all that impressive from afar. The closer you get you see what the judges see, shredded as fuck and grainy. Maybe not like Dorian but a grainy look non the less.
I'm not saying he isn't grainy, I'm just saying that at the same time he looks thicker skinned than some others. Some can completely lack the grainy look while being very thin skinned. Completely peeled yet not look the same as Yates or whoever we consider "grainy". Yates had a sort of unique look to him, which doesn't mean that there was no one else as lean as him. Or that Yates didn't use insulin or growth etc.
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JD Dawodu and Pavol Jabolicky (sure I misspelled their names) were granny before large gh doses were popular or affordable... as was munzer... gaspari was grainy at times.
it's more a factor of bodyfat and water, and heavy androgens keeping the fullness and pushing the fibers to the surface.
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I wouldn't go that far. Lots of guys in the 80's had the grainy look. I have been at some pro shows and seen them up close. Sometimes photos don't show it well. No one today will be grainy with all the slin they are using. Like I said, very low fat and holding no water or it's not there.
this makes me question is insulin really worth it for anyone? I mean once the damage is done is it reversible? I just don't see the point..I've never known anyone to look better after using it. insulin blew my waiste up big time, I don't fuck with it anymore
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I'm not saying he isn't grainy, I'm just saying that at the same time he looks thicker skinned than some others. Some can completely lack the grainy look while being very thin skinned. Completely peeled yet not look the same as Yates or whoever we consider "grainy". Yates had a sort of unique look to him, which doesn't mean that there was no one else as lean as him. Or that Yates didn't use insulin or growth etc.
Don't see too many black guys who look grainy. It might be the color who knows. I see what you are saying though and yes Dorian had a super grainy look that was easy to see.
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this makes me question is insulin really worth it for anyone? I mean once the damage is done is it reversible? I just don't see the point..I've never known anyone to look better after using it. insulin blew my waiste up big time, I don't fuck with it anymore
Seems like you can look better for a short period of time then boom the nasty sides come on and I don't think you can recover 100%.
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dude at my gym around 50 years old, been working out forever, is grainy year round. only a buck 80 or so in weight, very muscular and grainy but NOT a mass monster by any means, i think he once told me the most he ever has weighed was around 200...
if i am to believe him he is ONLY on TEST Enanthate year round to get that paper skin look and muscularity???...hmm, speaking of that is paper thin skin and the "grainy" look the same thing? anyway...
while his diet is pretty strict 24/7 365 days of the year the guy NEVER does cardio except a slow walk every great once in awhile on a treadmill?
makes me think either he has incredible genetics or he's taking something something along with his TEST E year round?
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(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dexterjackson32.jpg)
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this makes me question is insulin really worth it for anyone? I mean once the damage is done is it reversible? I just don't see the point..I've never known anyone to look better after using it. insulin blew my waiste up big time, I don't fuck with it anymore
insulin good for weight gain does not increase quality of physique and negative effects irreversible.
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So this gh water retention can't be manipulated through diet, sodium and fluid intake?
A lot of guys that compete are gonna take diuretics anyway. So if they need to eliminate the gh prior to the show leads me to believe that's the only way...
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Ever seen a grainy looking kid?
Not even this Little hercules boy ;D
Gh makes muscle look fresh, elastic, well hydrated, young.....
Of course that s the opposite of grainy
Grainy look is the lean old men s look
Competitors have to take Out gh two Weeks out for this reason
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insulin good for weight gain does not increase quality of physique and negative effects irreversible.
no they aren't.
I abused insulin heavily for years. I was running 50+ iu/day 14years ago when everybody was saying it'd kill you and make you diabetic and make you fat, ect, ect, ect...
did it make me smoother when I was on it? sure.. it makes you hold water.
was it permanent? no
I spent the majority of the past year in low low bf%, hard, lean, grainy, dry and more separated than i'd ever been in my life... even moreso than when I had aspirations to compete... and my waist was wayyy down. I needed a belt with 32" pants.
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no they aren't.
I abused insulin heavily for years. I was running 50+ iu/day 14years ago when everybody was saying it'd kill you and make you diabetic and make you fat, ect, ect, ect...
did it make me smoother when I was on it? sure.. it makes you hold water.
was it permanent? no
I spent the majority of the past year in low low bf%, hard, lean, grainy, dry and more separated than i'd ever been in my life... even moreso than when I had aspirations to compete... and my waist was wayyy down. I needed a belt with 32" pants.
the thing is I am of the belief that too small of a waiste (in my case) and a lot of guys with narrow hips and not very developed midsections or guys with shallow abs, can actually look pretty bad. I haven't used insulin in forever and I look like a homo...torso is not thick enough. I looked better when I used insulin and my waiste was thicker...I don't think it's really all that bad. a powerful physique should have a thick solid midsection IMO...I reallyl iked what insulin did to me the brief amount of time I used it. just a more attractive look IMO...
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no they aren't.
I abused insulin heavily for years. I was running 50+ iu/day 14years ago when everybody was saying it'd kill you and make you diabetic and make you fat, ect, ect, ect...
did it make me smoother when I was on it? sure.. it makes you hold water.
was it permanent? no
I spent the majority of the past year in low low bf%, hard, lean, grainy, dry and more separated than i'd ever been in my life... even moreso than when I had aspirations to compete... and my waist was wayyy down. I needed a belt with 32" pants.
use and abuse different i suppose a fine line there.....
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use and abuse different i suppose a fine line there.....
I abused insulin, no doubt about it. made my waist bigger sure.. but my waist was bigger when i was PLing than when i was at my heaviest bw as a bodybuilder (like 25lbs less).. within a year of going back to bbing (and bbing drugs.. and bbing drug doses), my waist was the smallest it'd been in 10years. I really didn't mind having a 'turtle belly'. I have a short torso and my stomach was still hard with a lil separation. 5 years after no insulin and 32" pants were too big around the waist. (good thing i wear either slacks or track pants/shorts... jeans never fit right.)
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I abused insulin, no doubt about it. made my waist bigger sure.. but my waist was bigger when i was PLing than when i was at my heaviest bw as a bodybuilder (like 25lbs less).. within a year of going back to bbing (and bbing drugs.. and bbing drug doses), my waist was the smallest it'd been in 10years. I really didn't mind having a 'turtle belly'. I have a short torso and my stomach was still hard with a lil separation. 5 years after no insulin and 32" pants were too big around the waist. (good thing i wear either slacks or track pants/shorts... jeans never fit right.)
so an abrupt decrease in dosage or gradual ? how was ur grainy factor did it make your skin loose after stopped using? i thought these things happen .....
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so an abrupt decrease in dosage or gradual ? how was ur grainy factor did it make your skin loose after stopped using? i thought these things happen .....
I just stopped using it.
i never had any loose skin, and was grainy-er in the past year-2yrs than i'd ever been in the past, even when using double the amount (well, maybe 75% more) of AAS.
the increase in waist size depends on a few factors... how you train.. wearing a belt.. pl belts in particular (push your stomach out against the belt)... and how much you eat. insulin will make you hungry, so you'll eat more food.. and gh will allow you to eat more food w/o getting fat... add all that stuff up andyou'll have a bigger midsection.
insulin will 'blur' your lines as well from water retention. cut the insulin. cut the gh.. cut your estrogen.. cut your water.. diet down as low as possible (which for a bber should be your goal anyways) and Ta-DA! you're grainy.
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I just stopped using it.
i never had any loose skin, and was grainy-er in the past year-2yrs than i'd ever been in the past, even when using double the amount (well, maybe 75% more) of AAS.
the increase in waist size depends on a few factors... how you train.. wearing a belt.. pl belts in particular (push your stomach out against the belt)... and how much you eat. insulin will make you hungry, so you'll eat more food.. and gh will allow you to eat more food w/o getting fat... add all that stuff up andyou'll have a bigger midsection.
insulin will 'blur' your lines as well from water retention. cut the insulin. cut the gh.. cut your estrogen.. cut your water.. diet down as low as possible (which for a bber should be your goal anyways) and Ta-DA! you're grainy.
and this my friends is how "would be good physiques" are ruined. best not listen to anyone who cant back their shit up. disgusted looked phenominal in his prime, and says stay away from slin...think thats what ill do. your a fucking gimmick dude, all guys like you do is fuck up physiques on a daily basis
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and this my friends is how "would be good physiques" are ruined. best not listen to anyone who cant back their shit up. disgusted looked phenominal in his prime, and says stay away from slin...think thats what ill do. your a fucking gimmick dude, all guys like you do is fuck up physiques on a daily basis
agreed stay away from slin......
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and this my friends is how "would be good physiques" are ruined. best not listen to anyone who cant back their shit up. disgusted looked phenominal in his prime, and says stay away from slin...think thats what ill do. your a fucking gimmick dude, all guys like you do is fuck up physiques on a daily basis
back my shit up? dude, you're a little punk kid with ZERO life experience and who places WAYYYY to much of time and energy with winning the "internet bodybuilding" thing. I'm a grown man with better things to worry about. Adult things and responsibilities that you won't relate to for another 10years until you grow up.
back my shit up... lol... fuck you're an idiot. you and your internet idols and 'friends'.
"would be good physiques" are ruined? my physique is ruined? how the fuck would you know? i'm a gimmick? what the fuck does that even mean?! your entire life is warped by this internet bbing message board jargon. "gimmick".. "Troll"... i'd bet a wooden nickel you use these terms in your daily life and the people around you... the people who have to be around you, look at you like you're a fucking clown. Sad thing is you'll be 30years old with a series of failed relationships with women who leave your immature ass and a string of dead-end jobs you get fired from before you realize what a clown you are and how much time and energy you wasted "backing your shit up" on the internet.
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back my shit up? dude, you're a little punk kid with ZERO life experience and who places WAYYYY to much of time and energy with winning the "internet bodybuilding" thing. I'm a grown man with better things to worry about. Adult things and responsibilities that you won't relate to for another 10years until you grow up.
back my shit up... lol... fuck you're an idiot. you and your internet idols and 'friends'.
"would be good physiques" are ruined? my physique is ruined? how the fuck would you know? i'm a gimmick? what the fuck does that even mean?! your entire life is warped by this internet bbing message board jargon. "gimmick".. "Troll"... i'd bet a wooden nickel you use these terms in your daily life and the people around you... the people who have to be around you, look at you like you're a fucking clown. Sad thing is you'll be 30years old with a series of failed relationships with women who leave your immature ass and a string of dead-end jobs you get fired from before you realize what a clown you are and how much time and energy you wasted "backing your shit up" on the internet.
this is true...and it's part of the reason why I am posting less and less. the internet is full of fake people who have no clue what there talking about like yourself. fyi Im bigger and leaner than you, there are guys who have been using shit for decades who still dont know what they are talking about. for the millionth time, back up your claims showing me a massive lean 260lb dude like you said.....its very simple. One picture and everyone leaves you alone? why haven't you done it?
CAUSE YOU FUCKING CANT. look at you meltdown like a bitch every time i call you out, meanwhile all you have to do was post a pic. Surely a 260lb ripped massive bodybuilder would have some pics he took at some point in his life? ::)
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funny thing is the guy says he could care less about what people think of him on an anonymous bodybuilding board, yet he's on here constantly trying to get credibility seeking approval with his anonymous advice to strangers ;D
cant have your cake and eat it too booboo :-*
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this is true...and it's part of the reason why I am posting less and less. the internet is full of fake people who have no clue what there talking about like yourself. fyi Im bigger and leaner than you, there are guys who have been using shit for decades who still dont know what they are talking about. for the millionth time, back up your claims showing me a massive lean 260lb dude like you said.....its very simple. One picture and everyone leaves you alone? why haven't you done it?
CAUSE YOU FUCKING CANT. look at you meltdown like a bitch every time i call you out, meanwhile all you have to do was post a pic. Surely a 260lb ripped massive bodybuilder would have some pics he took at some point in his life? ::)
Lol..just lol, way to go to validate ESFItness point.
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Lol..just lol, way to go to validate ESFItness point.
. More proof time means nothing, youve been at this for 20 years and never even developed 18 inch arms lol.
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this is true...and it's part of the reason why I am posting less and less. the internet is full of fake people who have no clue what there talking about like yourself. fyi Im bigger and leaner than you, there are guys who have been using shit for decades who still dont know what they are talking about. for the millionth time, back up your claims showing me a massive lean 260lb dude like you said.....its very simple. One picture and everyone leaves you alone? why haven't you done it?
CAUSE YOU FUCKING CANT. look at you meltdown like a bitch every time i call you out, meanwhile all you have to do was post a pic. Surely a 260lb ripped massive bodybuilder would have some pics he took at some point in his life? ::)
show me a screenshot of the post where I claimed to be a massive, lean 260lb dude.... I mean, I "said it", right? ::)
add the term "meltdown" to the list of your internet bbing vocabulary.
and sure, I have plenty of pics. Never said I didn't. I said I wasn't gonna ID myself. what part don't you understand? This isn't high school kid, and we're not in a parking lot after 5th period puffing our chests out bragging about how much more we bench than everyone else.... and come to think of it.. wtf do you see me bragging about anyways? you ever read me write anything about being a big, hard, lean, bbing super freak who'd win any show I entered?
I state FACTS. somebody makes a comment about something being SET IN STONE when it comes to steroids or something that I know to be UN-TRUE or MYTH, and I state MY OWN EXPERIENCE. and you're fragile ego gets bruised somehow and you get butthurt.
And even if you were bigger and leaner than me.. how the fuck does that affect me? will it cost me money? will I somehow not make the insurance payment on my car because of it? or maybe my kids won't respect me.. bwahaha @ you thinking you matter.
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funny thing is the guy says he could care less about what people think of him on an anonymous bodybuilding board, yet he's on here constantly trying to get credibility seeking approval with his anonymous advice to strangers ;D
cant have your cake and eat it too booboo :-*
I check in here when I have some spare time or i'm waiting on files to download or i'm waiting on a client... I mostly check in looking for some bbing gossip, like maybe somebody got busted, or somebody got divorced, or somebody bought a new house or a new car... then I'll see a thread title and i'll check it out, and if I happen to have some insight, i'll leave my $.02. it is a message board afterall... sometimes i'll post a question.. sometimes i'll answer one, or sometimes i'll just comment. seeking approval? from who, exactly? you??? if I wanted approval from somebody, it sure as hell wouldn't be somebody on an internet msg board kid. grow up.
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I wouldn't go that far. Lots of guys in the 80's had the grainy look. I have been at some pro shows and seen them up close. Sometimes photos don't show it well. No one today will be grainy with all the slin they are using. Like I said, very low fat and holding no water or it's not there.
Even in 2001 when he was at his driest Jay was not, or every will be, grainy. Branch has deformed himself with gh and slin and always gets grainy. If Lionel could get dry and grainy he'd be easy top five Mr. O if not winning the whole thing. Will never happen.
Van is right as always.
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no they aren't.
I abused insulin heavily for years. I was running 50+ iu/day 14years ago when everybody was saying it'd kill you and make you diabetic and make you fat, ect, ect, ect...
did it make me smoother when I was on it? sure.. it makes you hold water.
was it permanent? no
I spent the majority of the past year in low low bf%, hard, lean, grainy, dry and more separated than i'd ever been in my life... even moreso than when I had aspirations to compete... and my waist was wayyy down. I needed a belt with 32" pants.
I don't think 50 units/day of slin is abuse by today's standards.
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show me a screenshot of the post where I claimed to be a massive, lean 260lb dude.... I mean, I "said it", right? ::)
add the term "meltdown" to the list of your internet bbing vocabulary.
and sure, I have plenty of pics. Never said I didn't. I said I wasn't gonna ID myself. what part don't you understand? This isn't high school kid, and we're not in a parking lot after 5th period puffing our chests out bragging about how much more we bench than everyone else.... and come to think of it.. wtf do you see me bragging about anyways? you ever read me write anything about being a big, hard, lean, bbing super freak who'd win any show I entered?
I state FACTS. somebody makes a comment about something being SET IN STONE when it comes to steroids or something that I know to be UN-TRUE or MYTH, and I state MY OWN EXPERIENCE. and you're fragile ego gets bruised somehow and you get butthurt.
And even if you were bigger and leaner than me.. how the fuck does that affect me? will it cost me money? will I somehow not make the insurance payment on my car because of it? or maybe my kids won't respect me.. bwahaha @ you thinking you matter.
.no you do not state facts and I can clearly look through your posts and go to debate with you on them. Im not giving "my advice" Im giving advice passed on to me by a massive lean guy who dwarved the shit out of this whole fucking forum including big rio. He was 270 and 8% bf......that's a freak. The biggest guy we had on this forum was slinpimp and he wasn't even close to those numbers.
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.no you do not state facts and I can clearly look through your posts and go to debate with you on them. Im not giving "my advice" Im giving advice passed on to me by a massive lean guy who dwarved the shit out of this whole fucking forum including big rio. He was 270 and 8% bf......that's a freak. The biggest guy we had on this forum was slinpimp and he wasn't even close to those numbers.
so what?
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so what?
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slinpimp was not the biggest and leanest guy on these forums.
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slinpimp was not the biggest and leanest guy on these forums.
slinpimp has a great physique no doubt.
there are a lot of forums... and a lot of guys on each forum with good physiques and not all of them is interested in the opinions of those on a bbing msg forum. most come to these forums to talk about training, drugs, and nutrition, except for this forum, which is mostly just random bbing gossip.
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slinpimp has a great physique no doubt.
there are a lot of forums... and a lot of guys on each forum with good physiques and not all of them is interested in the opinions of those on a bbing msg forum. most come to these forums to talk about training, drugs, and nutrition, except for this forum, which is mostly just random bbing gossip.
hardly a bbing forum nemore. now just a cesspool gathering of pieces of human waste the bbing industry rejected ....bodybuilding industry diarrhea.
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Even in 2001 when he was at his driest Jay was not, or every will be, grainy. Branch has deformed himself with gh and slin and always gets grainy. If Lionel could get dry and grainy he'd be easy top five Mr. O if not winning the whole thing. Will never happen.
Van is right as always.
The only place branch is grainy is his legs. The ready of him is in pretty hard condition with his back being soft as butter. I have seen Branch in contest shape up close.
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The only place branch is grainy is his legs. The ready of him is in pretty hard condition with his back being soft as butter. I have seen Branch in contest shape up close.
Agree about the back.
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. More proof time means nothing, youve been at this for 20 years and never even developed 18 17 inch arms lol.
fixed
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. More proof time means nothing, youve been at this for 20 years and never even developed 18 inch arms lol.
My arms are in proportion with my calvs, how about yours?
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good info guys
thx
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My arms are in proportion with my calvs, how about yours?
whopping 15 inches haha