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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 13, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
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It is obvious.
Most of Getbig falls into these categories of the survey:
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/pdf/survey_exec_sum.pdf
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Why are you doing this to yourself dude?
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It is obvious.
Most of Getbig falls into these categories of the survey:
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/pdf/survey_exec_sum.pdf
meltdown dude youare coming undone it's comical too watch
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did you write that adam?
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poor guy he is getting worse...
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If you want the truth.
Everything that I advocate.
Is in these pages.
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/
All my beliefs are backed by the following:
Members of the Partnership for Essential Nutrition are:
Alliance for Aging Research
American Association of Diabetes Educators
American Council on Science and Health
American Institute for Cancer Research
American Obesity Association
Harvard Medical School
MedStar Research Institute
National Consumers League
National Women's Health Resource Center
Nutritional Sciences Program at the University of Washington
Pennington Biomedical Research Center
Shape Up America!
Society for Women's Health Research
University of California at Davis Department of Nutrition
UCLA Center for Human Nutrition
Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center
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Adonis !
are you in this kind of condition ?
if so I'll be really impressed
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Adonis !
are you in this kind of condition ?
if so I'll be really impressed
If that is the case,
You will be more than impressed with my conditioning.
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can't wait to see the pics then, that's a very good condition !
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can't wait to see the pics then, that's a very good condition !
Please check out that site and let me know your thoughts.
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Not really. Dumb people like most are the one's who believe everything they are told without question, mainly shown in religous groups. It seems on this site, many follow the scientific method and want a good amount of evidence before subscribing to a new innovative idea.
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Not really. Dumb people like most are the one's who believe everything they are told without question, mainly shown in religous groups. It seems on this site, many follow the scientific method and want a good amount of evidence before subscribing to a new innovative idea.
www.essentialnutrition.o rg
All backed by research and SCIENCE, unlike what you find here and what is coming out of these peoples mouths.
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Not really. Dumb people like most are the one's who believe everything they are told without question, mainly shown in religous groups. It seems on this site, many follow the scientific method and want a good amount of evidence before subscribing to a new innovative idea.
Nice put dude, you are among the very few who are actually educated @ getbig. What'd you major in?
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Please check out that site and let me know your thoughts.
can't open it my computer is fucked up
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I am 19 years old and am going to do a degree in microbiology with hopes of attending medical school to become a cardiac surgeon. I am currently in my second year at u of manitoba.
Adonis, do you have any credible journals?
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That website you posted is stacked with some credible sources, thanks for the link man, I will enjoy the read.
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I am 19 years old and am going to do a degree in microbiology with hopes of attending medical school to become a cardiac surgeon. I am currently in my second year and u of manitoba.
Adonis, do you have any credible journals?
well, he can google things fairly quickly, if that's close enough for you.
unfortunately, he can offer little to no evidence that all of those words amount to anything more than the bandwidth they waste. he claims to have radical principles, but all he has is a 145 pound stringy "physique", while a guy like layne norton who advocates both cardio and an extremely clean diet is twice his size and far more shredded on stage.
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well, he can google things fairly quickly, if that's close enough for you.
unfortunately, he can offer little to no evidence that all of those words amount to anything more than the bandwidth they waste. he claims to have radical principles, but all he has is a 145 pound stringy "physique", while a guy like layne norton who advocates both cardio and an extremely clean diet is twice his size and far more shredded on stage.
You are wrong.
You need to talk to Layne more.
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well, he can google things fairly quickly, if that's close enough for you.
unfortunately, he can offer little to no evidence that all of those words amount to anything more than the bandwidth they waste. he claims to have radical principles, but all he has is a 145 pound stringy "physique", while a guy like layne norton who advocates both cardio and an extremely clean diet is twice his size and far more shredded on stage.
Layne will tell you food are not clean or dirty.
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You are wrong.
You need to talk to Layne more.
i have a better idea: rather than just saying "you are wrong", explain in detail how i'm wrong. and do so without cutting and pasting anything.
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That website you posted is stacked with some credible sources, thanks for the link man, I will enjoy the read.
I will PM you with my info. I don`t need these unintelligent ingrates to have anything.
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i have a better idea: rather than just saying "you are wrong", explain in detail how i'm wrong. and do so without cutting and pasting anything.
Go to MD, you are a member there.
Start a Thread. "LAYNE, is there a such thing as Clean and dirty food, good or bad food?"
Simple.
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Adonis, It is my understanding that you are coaching some people right now on your program? You should get those published in nutritional journals. You do agree that eating certain foods is better then others right? in terms of anti-oxidants and phytochemicals.
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I will PM you with my info. I don`t need these unintelligent ingrates to have anything.
:-*
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Adonis, It is my understanding that you are coaching some people right now on your program? You should get those published in nutritional journals. You do agree that eating certain foods is better then others right? in terms of anti-oxidants and phytochemicals.
Of course.
Wine is about the best. I always recommend it.
The most important thing to avoid is overeating. THAT is the WORST thing anyone can do. A caloric range of 2000-2900 provides the basis for all the Nutrients one will need.
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Go to MD, you are a member there.
Start a Thread. "LAYNE, is there a such thing as Clean and dirty food, good or bad food?"
Simple.
It makes sense you would agree with him.
You both look like crap.
And don't you mean expensive wine?
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It makes sense you would agree with him.
You both look like crap.
And don't you mean expensive wine?
::)
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Please check out that site and let me know your thoughts.
Gee, I don't see them recommending Ben & Jerry's or McDonald's, dumbass. ::)
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That is fact yes. If you take in more energy then you burn you will gain weight. About the overeating, that is the hard part for most. It is almost as if it is genetically programmed in us to over eat. Remember not long ago our species(and ancestors) was always in a struggle for food and always had to binge due to not having a steady nutrition source. This new world that has plenty of food is a relatively new concept and obviously it shows, as so many are overweight.
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Gee, I don't see them recommending Ben & Jerry's or McDonald's, dumbass. ::)
We don`t recommend brands.
You are ignorant.
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That is fact yes. If you take in more energy then you burn you will gain weight. About the overeating, that is the hard part for most. It is almost as if it is genetically programmed in us to over eat. Remember not long ago our species(and ancestors) was always in a struggle for food and always had to binge due to not having a steady nutrition source. This new world that has plenty of food is a new relatively concept and obviously it shows, as so many are overweight.
Simple solution.
You can`t eat what you don`t buy.
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buddy, layne contradicts you like crazy on MD, in particular with things like protein intake. he says a higher protein intake is very important in a caloric deficit, for example.
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buddy, layne contradicts you like crazy on MD, in particular with things like protein intake. he says a higher protein intake is very important in a caloric deficit, for example.
He says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight at the HIGH END.
He has radically changed his beliefs on it in a short time.
He is realizing the truth finally.
He also admits that there is NO NEED for extra protein and he also admits that 1 gram per lb is a HIGH ESTIMATE.
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That is fact yes. If you take in more energy then you burn you will gain weight. About the overeating, that is the hard part for most. It is almost as if it is genetically programmed in us to over eat. Remember not long ago our species(and ancestors) was always in a struggle for food and always had to binge due to not having a steady nutrition source. This new world that has plenty of food is a relatively new concept and obviously it shows, as so many are overweight.
It's fact alright. These facts have been known for years.
I should've stolen this idea and called them the "CARTEL Principles" a long time ago. ::)
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You've been eating 400 calories of ice cream a day for months and have reached "phenominal" conditioning. When will you be posting these pictures?
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he says a higher protein intake is very important in a caloric deficit, for example.
It is.
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Simple solution.
You can`t eat what you don`t buy.
It is easier said then done, obviously. It makes it even harder for most that in literally every social situation we consume food.
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Did special ed steal moves from the great adonis? i was watching your interviews at youtube, and you have the similarity to put your hand on pro bodybuilders.
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We don`t recommend brands.
You are ignorant.
I'll rephrase...
I don't see them recommending Ice Cream and Hamburgers with fries. ::)
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You've been eating 400 calories of ice cream a day for months and have reached "phenominal" conditioning. When will you be posting these pictures?
I don`t eat Ice Cream everyday.
Today I had
1. Eggplant with Cheese
2. Chick Fil A fried Sandwhich
3. 2 slices of Pizza
4. 2 Slices of Pizza
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He says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight at the HIGH END.
He has radically changed his beliefs on it in a short time.
He is realizing the truth finally.
He also admits that there is NO NEED for extra protein and he also admits that 1 gram per lb is a HIGH ESTIMATE.
One of my profs also said this, Dr James Friel I believe. However are you sure that this also holds true to athletes as well?
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I don`t eat Ice Cream everyday.
Today I had
1. Eggplant with Cheese
2. Chick Fil A fried Sandwhich
3. 2 slices of Pizza
4. 2 Slices of Pizza
That's at least 1,200 calories. I remember you mentioning that you take in 2,000 calories weekly.
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I will eat a Chicken Salad with Raspberry Vinagrette
Wine-2-3 glasses 4 oz each
and maybe a few other things.
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One of my profs also said this, Dr James Friel I believe. However are you sure that this also holds true to athletes as well?
Yes.
All Evidence, and LAYNE agrees with this as well, in advanced athletes, the protein intake needed is LESS.
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That's at least 1,200 calories. I remember you mentioning that you take in 2,000 calories weekly.
2000 a day
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Of course.
Wine is about the best. I always recommend it.
The most important thing to avoid is overeating. THAT is the WORST thing anyone can do. A caloric range of 2000-2900 provides the basis for all the Nutrients one will need.
per day correct?
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Yes.
All Evidence, and LAYNE agrees with this as well, in advanced athletes, the protein intake needed is LESS.
That sounds weird to me, any sources for that? I realize that we need more carbs but less protein?
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Gee, I don't see them recommending Ben & Jerry's or McDonald's, dumbass. ::)
you're already fat, so you have nothing to lose, you should try it.
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per day correct?
I eat 2000-2900 Per day.
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I don`t eat Ice Cream everyday.
Today I had
1. Eggplant with Cheese
2. Chick Fil A fried Sandwhich
3. 2 slices of Pizza
4. 2 Slices of Pizza
i eat that for breakfast
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you're already fat, so you have nothing to lose, you should try it.
I think you're confusing me with someone else, dipshit. Unlike the "perma-bulkers" around here, I actually maintain low bodyfat levels. ::)
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I think you're confusing me with someone else, dipshit. Unlike the "perma-bulkers" around here, I actually maintain low bodyfat levels. ::)
Sure you do ::)
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im gonna eat 600 cals of cookies now and hit the sack
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We don`t recommend brands.
You are ignorant.
Hahahaha....whats this WE shit?
You showed a "study" that 80% of the world already new..............eat less, lose weight. Why are you beating this dead horse to a pulp, it just doesn't work for pre-shows!
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Today I had
1. Eggplant with Cheese
2. Chick Fil A fried Sandwhich
3. 2 slices of Pizza
4. 2 Slices of Pizza
No fruit. No vegetables other than eggplant. No EFA's. Chicken fried in trans-fat. High saturated fat pizza, probably with pepperoni complete with sodium nitrite. High processed carbs. Little fiber.
True, if your overall diet is hypocaloric you won't get fat, but if you keep up that crappy diet, you'll probably die young.
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It is obvious.
Most of Getbig falls into these categories of the survey:
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/pdf/survey_exec_sum.pdf
The good thing is that you DO NOT fall in with any category. YOu are so far behind everyone its hilarious. MAke believe crap, fake degrees, lies and more lies. Give it up dude you lost
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No fruit. No vegetables other than eggplant. No EFA's. Chicken fried in trans-fat. High saturated fat pizza, probably with pepperoni complete with sodium nitrite. High processed carbs. Little fiber.
True, if your overall diet is hypocaloric you won't get fat, but if you keep up that crappy diet, you'll probably die young.
But Goatboy, remember, a "calorie" is just a "calorie". If your a diabetic you can have as many carbs as you like as long as it's low in "calories" LOL!
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I don`t eat Ice Cream everyday.
Today I had
1. Eggplant with Cheese
2. Chick Fil A fried Sandwhich
3. 2 slices of Pizza
4. 2 Slices of Pizza
hahahahaha you can't even afford to eat this much. thats why you are skinny. You are not in shape, you are skinny
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No fruit. No vegetables other than eggplant. No EFA's. Chicken fried in trans-fat. High saturated fat pizza, probably with pepperoni complete with sodium nitrite. High processed carbs. Little fiber.
True, if your overall diet is hypocaloric you won't get fat, but if you keep up that crappy diet, you'll probably die young.
yes, but if you take a good vitamin/mineral pil you dont need no vegtables and fruit, im i right?
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That sounds weird to me, any sources for that? I realize that we need more carbs but less protein?
YES!
I have Many
Recently, the journal club topic was protein needs and two articles were up for discussion. The first was a T-Nation article by John Berardi entitled The
Protein Prejudice (this article can be found on this site). The second was a scientific review article by Stuart Phillips entitled Protein Requirements and Supplementation in Strength Sports. After discussing these articles, the members of the journal club invited Drs. Berardi and Phillips to debate the issue. This debate is what we’ve published below. To get the most out of it, you may want to follow the links above and check out what started the whole fracas.
The Debate
Dr. Phillips’s Response to "The Protein Prejudice"
I've read Dr. Berardi's paper and have found it generally sound, but lacking in sufficient evidence to truly be considered "truth" in some areas (not many to be honest); however, I'm pleased to hear that John is in-line with the general thesis that lifting weights reduces protein "requirements."
As far as "optimization," this is a far more difficult question and even John
knows that this hasn't been answered satisfactorily, or at least not to a degree that would make me offer the advice that lifters should "eat more protein—a lot more".
While it's easy to say "eat more protein" and counsel athletes to do this, what you have to ask at this point is: What are the dividends of eating more protein over and above requirement? Likely few, but then since they'll
never have tried doing anything else, do you get stronger, leaner etc. because of, or in spite of what you do?
In a recent review (Nutrition 20: 689-695, 2004) I examined the evidence for
whether resistance trained athletes "need" more protein. The answer is likely the opposite. On this John and I can agree. I also pointed out in the same review, after taking relevant nitrogen balance data and regressing it through zero nitrogen balance, that resistance trained athletes require more protein than sedentary individuals. The problem is that, by all standards, most milk, egg and meat-eating North American males eat way more protein than they need.
Also, I take issue with Dr. Berardi's interpretation of the requirement (i.e.,
the RDA) being "eating just enough protein to prevent deficiency." In fact, the
basis of the RDA is a much lower protein intake than 0.8g protein/kg/d, but
addition of safety margins means that 97.5% of the population is covered. Thus, it may well be that your individual requirements are far less than the RDA, but you'd have to participate in a study to find out exactly where you are.
The problem with all of this discussion about requirements and using nitrogen balance is the method is badly flawed. Hence, trying to talk about a requirement or even optimizing protein intake based on findings from nitrogen balance studies is like trying to circumnavigate the globe using a map before we knew the earth wasn't flat—the instrument is badly flawed so it'll lead you, ultimately, in the wrong direction.
My feeling on the whole issue of protein consumption is that it appears to be
beneficial to consume a higher than normal protein intake during a period of
weight loss to prevent loss of lean body mass. Lifting weights will only augment this effect and will have the more potent effect in terms of allowing one to hang on to as much protein as possible during energy deficit. I know, the scientist finally agrees with the strategy tried and tested by bodybuilders for years.
Using the logic laid out by John in his argument for how much protein you should consume to "optimize" training, along with the flawed N balance approach, one could argue that athletes can simply consume more and more and more protein since it's impossible to define a true ceiling. I suppose to answer the question of optimization I'd define it thusly: a protein intake that allows maximal functioning of all synthetic processes that require amino acids and that prevents excessive oxidation of amino acids and production of urea.
The closest any study has come to measuring something like this is a study by Tarnopolsky et al in 1992 (J. Appl. Physiol. 93(5): 1986, 1995) in which he
showed that despite an estimated protein intake to maintain nitrogen balance being somewhere around 1.7 g protein/kg/d, but that the synthetic of all body proteins (including muscle) was maximal at a protein intake of 1.4 g protein/kg/d, with no further increase up to 2.4 g protein/kg/d!
It did appear that the RDA for protein wasn't sufficient to maximize the
synthetic rate of body proteins.
Hence, faced with these data I'm not sure that one can argue that a protein intake of more than 1.4 g protein/kg/d is necessary or even beneficial for protein requiring process.
Also, at the recent Experimental Biology conference, data from Mike Rennie’s laboratory showed for the first time a dose response curve of muscle protein synthesis with oral dose of essential amino acids. They reported that oral dose of essential amino acids (EAA) at which muscle protein synthesis (i.e., the controlling and regulated variable determining muscle protein accretion) was only 10g — a similar dose of EAA is present in 500ml of skim milk!
Also, data from Mike Rennie’s lab (Bohe et al. J. Physiol. 532: 575-579, 2001) shows that in the face of available amino acids that muscle protein synthesis is turned off after 1-2 hours. Hence, it doesn't appear that amino acid supply a) has to be large, and b) isn't limiting for the process of synthesizing new muscle proteins.
How about a simple calculation to hammer home my point? Let’s say a hypothetical individual, Fred, weighs 90kg and in one year gains 10kg (22lb) of muscle. Not mass— muscle. That’s a pretty impressive rate of gain and something most of us would be happy with.
Now, that means over a year Fred has gained 10kg of muscle, which is 75% water, so really he's gained 2.5kg of muscle or protein (i.e., 2500g). That means he's gained: 2500g protein / 90kg / 365d or ~ 0.076 g protein/kg/d.
Now, if we assumethat the RDA is sufficient to cover all of Fred’s other protein needs, which is likely a large overestimate, then what Fred would be required to eat on a daily basis is:
0.8 g protein/kg/d + 0.076 = 0.876 g protein/kg/d to gain 22lb of muscle
Whoa, hold on you say, it takes six times as much protein consumption to lay down the equivalent amount of muscle (estimate from Mr. Colgan and the Colgan Institute—a hotbed of muscle research). In truth, I'm never sure where this number comes from since literature from the animal science area indicates that to lay down protein at rates sufficient to support weight gain in a growing steer—who in 180 days will lay down 226kg of mass, of which 60% is protein—you need only consume the mass gained x 2 in terms of protein content, but lets say it’s six. Okay, so now you need to consume:
0.8 g protein/kg/d + 0.456 g protein/kg/d = 1.256 g protein/kg/d to gain 22lb of muscle
Now, what if this person were smart and consumed some extra energy? Well, we know that this spares protein (Garza et al. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 29: 280-287, 1976). Also, we know that resistance exercise, consistent with its anabolic nature, is conservatory for muscle protein. Hence, resistance exercise, as John freely acknowledges, results in a reduction in protein requirements due to overall protein retention. This is particularly true in skeletal muscle when you haven’t eaten (Phillips et al. Am. J. Physiol. 273: E99-E107, 1997).
Now, if all of this true, then my estimates above are even higher than they need to be. So protein requirements to "optimize" muscle mass gains aren't large, certainly no larger than what most lacto-ovo, meat-eating North American males consume on a habitual basis—this was my ultimate point in recent review.
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No fruit. No vegetables other than eggplant. No EFA's. Chicken fried in trans-fat. High saturated fat pizza, probably with pepperoni complete with sodium nitrite. High processed carbs. Little fiber.
True, if your overall diet is hypocaloric you won't get fat, but if you keep up that crappy diet, you'll probably die young.
Most people don't eat clean AND overeat and don't die young. That's ridiculous.
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100 year old man's diet:
"He’s up at about 7 each morning and generally makes himself breakfast: grits or instant oatmeal, one cup of coffee, and two or three times a week he makes three eggs, sausage or bacon, and buttered toast with grape jelly or honey. His diet must suit him. He says the only time he’s been in a hospital was to visit. The only medication he takes is a half an aspirin per day."
http://www.carolinacountry.com/storypages/ourstories/forest/forest.html
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It is obvious.
Most of Getbig falls into these categories of the survey:
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/pdf/survey_exec_sum.pdf
you have an inferority complex of magnanimous proportions.. :-\
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No fruit. No vegetables other than eggplant. No EFA's. Chicken fried in trans-fat. High saturated fat pizza, probably with pepperoni complete with sodium nitrite. High processed carbs. Little fiber.
True, if your overall diet is hypocaloric you won't get fat, but if you keep up that crappy diet, you'll probably die young.
I`m not done eating.
I am drinking my wine right now.
I will have my chicken Salad later, and some cookies and probably a glass of Grapefruit Juice.
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Most people don't eat clean AND overeat and don't die young. That's ridiculous.
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100 year old man's diet:
"He’s up at about 7 each morning and generally makes himself breakfast: grits or instant oatmeal, one cup of coffee, and two or three times a week he makes three eggs, sausage or bacon, and buttered toast with grape jelly or honey. His diet must suit him. He says the only time he’s been in a hospital was to visit. The only medication he takes is a half an aspirin per day."
http://www.carolinacountry.com/storypages/ourstories/forest/forest.html
It's genetics, my grandmother is 98, my dad died at 54 and my grandfather died at 68!
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It's genetics, my grandmother is 98, my dad died at 54 and my grandfather died at 68!
I know, so why worry about eating clean then?
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i cant believe i'm gonna help ya out here adonis..
www.winespectator.com
if u r gonna drink wine..do it right..
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Most people don't eat clean AND overeat and don't die young. That's ridiculous.
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100 year old man's diet:
"He’s up at about 7 each morning and generally makes himself breakfast: grits or instant oatmeal, one cup of coffee, and two or three times a week he makes three eggs, sausage or bacon, and buttered toast with grape jelly or honey. His diet must suit him. He says the only time he’s been in a hospital was to visit. The only medication he takes is a half an aspirin per day."
http://www.carolinacountry.com/storypages/ourstories/forest/forest.html
Quoted for Truth.
The fact is, low calories will make you live forever.
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hmm interesting read adonis thanks.
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Quoted for Truth.
The fact is, low calories will make you live forever.
man the muslims have it right with the whole fasting dealie? ::)
;D
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yes, but if you take a good vitamin/mineral pil you dont need no vegtables and fruit, im i right?
No, you're wrong. Vitamin pills don't provide the beneficial phytochemicals found in fruits and vegetables. A vitamin pill is better than nothing, but it won't do the job nearly as well as eating fruit and vegetables.
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Quoted for Truth.
The fact is, low calories will make you live forever.
having less stress will help you live even longer!
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phytochemicals found in fruits
you must be full of phytochemicals then! ;D
badabing eh...
ehhh...
;D
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No, you're wrong. Vitamin pills don't provide the beneficial phytochemicals found in fruits and vegetables. A vitamin pill is better than nothing, but it won't do the job nearly as well as eating fruit and vegetables.
Bodybuilders aren`t supposed to eat fruit ...remember . HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAH
Dude, I eat more fruit and vegetables than you ever do. I cook something usually from a vegetarian cookbook.
Not to mention, I pick strawberries, POUNDS of them in the summer. Peaches too. You are clueless.
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I am drinking my wine right now.
(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_c.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_m.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_n.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_t.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_w.jpg)
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Dude, I eat more fruit and vegetables than you ever do.
Interesting statement, considering you don't know me or what I eat.
Do you always just pull shit out of your ass without having any facts? ::)
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(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_c.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_m.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_n.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_t.jpg)(http://www.bumwine.com/bumwine/bot_5_w.jpg)
I am about to OWN you in a second with a picture.
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Interesting statement, considering you don't know me or what I eat.
Do you always just pull shit out of your ass without having any facts? ::)
Are you able to pick lbs of fruit for a few dollars, as much as you want?
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Hahahaha....whats this WE shit?
You showed a "study" that 80% of the world already new..............eat less, lose weight. Why are you beating this dead horse to a pulp, it just doesn't work for pre-shows!
Apparently not if you people still preach the bullshit science sponsored by supplemnet companies.
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Interesting statement, considering you don't know me or what I eat.
Do you always just pull shit out of your ass without having any facts? ::)
Prepare to be owned in a few minutes.
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Interesting statement, considering you don't know me or what I eat.
Do you always just pull shit out of your ass without having any facts? ::)
HAHAHAHAHHAHA of course he does, it's too easy!!!!
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Are you able to pick lbs of fruit for a few dollars, as much as you want?
Why would I do that? Do I look Mexican to you?
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Prepare to be owned in a few minutes.
Own away. ::)
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Why would I do that? Do I look Mexican to you?
have you posted pictures ever?
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Quoted for Truth.
The fact is, low calories will make you live forever.
Really cut your calories to 100 a day so we can watch you live forever. Moron
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have you posted pictures ever?
Nope. Do I look st00pid to you? ::)
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Prepare to be owned in a few minutes.
i'm waiting..and if its a pic of a bottle of wodbridge reserve..i'm gonna shit myself laughing..
pwnage means AT LEAST a ravenswood cab 92...
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i'm waiting..and if its a pic of a bottle of wodbridge reserve..i'm gonna shit myself laughing..
pwnage means AT LEAST a ravenswood cab 92...
That's how he's going to "pwn" me? ::)
I'm not that easily impressed.
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i'm waiting..and if its a pic of a bottle of wodbridge reserve..i'm gonna shit myself laughing..
pwnage means AT LEAST a ravenswood cab 92...
ROFLMAO!!!!!
That is garbage wine.
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Berardi works alot up here in canada alot eh?
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lmao............
the guy didn't come up with anything, the theory was there years ago.........
i don't get it now, i'm all confused......... now we can buy fruits and vegetables, wtf, thats not eating what ever i want..
i want ice cream and pizza and mc do everyday like the adonis principle!!! >:(
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ROFLMAO!!!!!
That is garbage wine.
a 92 ravens wood is garbage..hmm .hold up a few mins.and in the meantime..how much ya spend on your bottle now? and what is it..?
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Berardi works alot up here in canada alot eh?
Yes, he was in Texas for along time, he's in the Toronto area.
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lmao............
the guy didn't come up with anything, the theory was there years ago.........
i don't get it now, i'm all confused......... now we can buy fruits and vegetables, wtf, thats not eating what ever i want..
i want ice cream and pizza and mc do everyday like the adonis principle!!! >:(
I think you should try the "Goatboy Principles": eat less and exercise. Oh, and if you send me $500, I'll give you my "secret formula", that I apply to the Goatboy Principles that will allow you to do something; I forget what. Just send me the money anyway! >:(
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Prepare to be owned in a few minutes.
::)
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Yes, he was in Texas for along time, he's in the Toronto area.
hey you didn't reply with a exclamation mark :D
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:) :)
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public service announcement:
1. adonis lives at home with mommy because he is unable to function in the real world
2. adonis has an imaginary girlfriend and claims to be a wine expert
3. adonis claims to be a student working on multiple degrees, but cannot say what school or degrees
4. adonis claims to have great knowledge of training, kinesiology, and nutrition, but has no degrees in any discipline
5. adonis was the wierd kid who wore a fedora and an overcoat in high school
6. adonis was not able to win an online BB contest against other amateurs despite his claims of superiority
That is all
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my god, we got owned by pics of bottles of wine.......
got those from the net?
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are those edited pictures of the shelves at beverages and mores? Why edite the rest of the picture? hiding the lower racks at the store? pathetic. :-[
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are those edited pictures of the shelves at beverages and mores? Why edite the rest of the picture? hiding the lower racks at the store? pathetic. :-[
;D
(http://www.bevmo.com/bmimages/sign.gif)
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thats not his for sure!!!
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public service announcement:
1. adonis lives at home with mommy because he is unable to function in the real world
2. adonis has an imaginary girlfriend and claims to be a wine expert
3. adonis claims to be a student working on multiple degrees, but cannot say what school or degrees
4. adonis claims to have great knowledge of training, kinesiology, and nutrition, but has no degrees in any discipline
5. adonis was the wierd kid who wore a fedora and an overcoat in high school
6. adonis was not able to win an online BB contest against other amateurs despite his claims of superiority
That is all
Good job on this!
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;D
(http://www.bevmo.com/bmimages/sign.gif)
that place has everything you need to have a good time. Including hot chicks if you browse long enough. ;)
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thats not his for sure!!!
What kind of asshole keeps wine stacked on a shelf (up high yet), instead of in a proper wine cellar?
I think it's a store, or maybe an italian restaurant. ;D
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;D
(http://www.bevmo.com/bmimages/sign.gif)
LMAO!!
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What kind of asshole keeps wine stacked on a shelf (up high yet), instead of in a proper wine cellar?
I think it's a store, or maybe an italian restaurant. ;D
We drank them all already. haha
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public service announcement:
1. adonis lives at home with mommy because he is unable to function in the real world
2. adonis has an imaginary girlfriend and claims to be a wine expert
3. adonis claims to be a student working on multiple degrees, but cannot say what school or degrees
4. adonis claims to have great knowledge of training, kinesiology, and nutrition, but has no degrees in any discipline
5. adonis was the wierd kid who wore a fedora and an overcoat in high school
6. adonis was not able to win an online BB contest against other amateurs despite his claims of superiority
That is all
The True Adonis is an archetypal life-death-rebirth deity in Redneck mythology, and a central cult figure in various homosexual religions. He is closely related to the Heckler, ButtonMan, CountGrishnack, ForMotherRussia and BenjaminPearson, all of whom are deities of rebirth and vegetation (Some mythologists believe he was later exported to the Carolina's, and his counterpart in Redneck mythology is Cock Sucker). The True Adonis is one of the most complex homosexual cult figures in classical times.
He has had multiple roles and there has been much failure over the centuries concerning his meaning and purpose in the homosexual religious beliefs. He is an annually-renewed, youthful-pedo vegetation god, a life-death-rebirth deity whose nature is tied to the calendar. His cult belonged to homosexuals : the cult of dying Adonis was fully-developed in the circle of young homosexual Redneck boys around Sappho on Lesbos, about 600 BCE, as a fragment of Sappho reveals.
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We drank them all already. haha
What kind of white-trash asshole saves empty wine bottles?
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adam, did you just took those pics?
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Jezebelle and I want the Kitchen to look like an Italian Bistro.
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Jezebelle and I want the Kitchen to look like an Italian Bistro.
::)
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What kind of white-trash asshole saves empty wine bottles?
An oenophile white-trash asshole? ;D
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its gotta be from a website:
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An oenophile white-trash asshole? ;D
BINGO!
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public service announcement:
1. adonis lives at home with mommy because he is unable to function in the real world
2. adonis has an imaginary girlfriend and claims to be a wine expert
3. adonis claims to be a student working on multiple degrees, but cannot say what school or degrees
4. adonis claims to have great knowledge of training, kinesiology, and nutrition, but has no degrees in any discipline
5. adonis was the wierd kid who wore a fedora and an overcoat in high school
6. adonis was not able to win an online BB contest against other amateurs despite his claims of superiority
That is all
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The True Adonis is an archetypal life-death-rebirth deity in Redneck mythology, and a central cult figure in various homosexual religions. He is closely related to the Heckler, ButtonMan, CountGrishnack, ForMotherRussia and BenjaminPearson, all of whom are deities of rebirth and vegetation (Some mythologists believe he was later exported to the Carolina's, and his counterpart in Redneck mythology is Cock Sucker). The True Adonis is one of the most complex homosexual cult figures in classical times.
He has had multiple roles and there has been much failure over the centuries concerning his meaning and purpose in the homosexual religious beliefs. He is an annually-renewed, youthful-pedo vegetation god, a life-death-rebirth deity whose nature is tied to the calendar. His cult belonged to homosexuals : the cult of dying Adonis was fully-developed in the circle of young homosexual Redneck boys around Sappho on Lesbos, about 600 BCE, as a fragment of Sappho reveals.
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis" IMO.
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TA,
Read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and get back to us. :-X
That and "Think and Grow Rich" are my two favourite books.
Do I apply all of the principles listed all the time? No, but I usually do. Believe me, you will get a better response if you do.
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Like watching a car crash. ;D
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Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis" IMO.
Good call. Fits perfectly.
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Jezebelle and I want the Kitchen to look like an Italian Bistro.
Ok..
Why, then, would you put up empty bottles of wine?
-Hedge
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Ok..
Why, then, would you put up empty bottles of wine?
-Hedge
that's what they do in italian bistros. No shit.
It would be stupid to put full bottles up there standing upright, because this way the wine gets bad and the cork gets into the wine.
It's a fucking mess to keep that shit tidy, so i guess either Adonis is lying again, or Jizz-E-Belle wipes dust every 3 days or he lives in a dirty shithole.
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I don't even have to read this thread to tell a few things about it. First, Adam has a severe mental disorder that makes him start threads with outrageous claims so he can draw attention to himself. If might be that he's a wine expert or that he has been walking around for months with 3%BF, somehow making these claims makes him feel like more of a man. The more outrageous the statement the more attention he gets, hence the name "all getbiggers are idiots". Without the constant attention he gets here he'd dry up and blow away.
second, TA you're more and more of a tool everyday. Now you're all of a sudden a wine expert? What a sad and pathetic life you must lead when everything you are revolves around BB websites, how many have you been kicked off of now? That doesn't tell you anything?
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What kind of white-trash asshole saves empty wine bottles?
I THINK IT'S THIS ASSHOLE, AND I'M PRETTY SHURE.
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I don't even have to read this thread to tell a few things about it. First, Adam has a severe mental disorder that makes him start threads with outrageous claims so he can draw attention to himself. If might be that he's a wine expert or that he has been walking around for months with 3%BF, somehow making these claims makes him feel like more of a man. The more outrageous the statement the more attention he gets, hence the name "all getbiggers are idiots". Without the constant attention he gets here he'd dry up and blow away.
second, TA you're more and more of a tool everyday. Now you're all of a sudden a wine expert? What a sad and pathetic life you must lead when everything you are revolves around BB websites, how many have you been kicked off of now? That doesn't tell you anything?
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis" IMO.
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Come on man, just 'cos you live a mediocre life, stop laying it on us.. you're so MEAN man!
Have a heart!!!
(ps. do you like the grammar?)
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I don't even have to read this thread to tell a few things about it. First, Adam has a severe mental disorder that makes him start threads with outrageous claims so he can draw attention to himself. If might be that he's a wine expert or that he has been walking around for months with 3%BF, somehow making these claims makes him feel like more of a man. The more outrageous the statement the more attention he gets, hence the name "all getbiggers are idiots". Without the constant attention he gets here he'd dry up and blow away.
second, TA you're more and more of a tool everyday. Now you're all of a sudden a wine expert? What a sad and pathetic life you must lead when everything you are revolves around BB websites, how many have you been kicked off of now? That doesn't tell you anything?
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Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of "Adonis" IMO.
Without question.
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this apenis is a fuckin tool, if i were him i would not post, but the guy jus keeps comin back to get owned by everybody, who the fuck cares if hes a wine expert or has ten degrees, hes a pathological liar, who lies about anything jus to keep attention towards himself, i enjoy laughing at this idiot.
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If that is the case,
You will be more than impressed with my conditioning.
blah blah blah ::) i bet you believe in your own bullshits :-X
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Jezebelle and I want the Kitchen to look like an Italian Bistro.
what is the Point of Capitalizing random Words? it doesn't help Prove a point and only really distracts from the Argument, not that there ever was a Valid one.
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i don't get it?
why take a picture of your bottles of wine than cut everything else in the pic except the bottles?
why going trough all this just to show bottles of wine?
why not show the kitchen cabinets, or all the ''bistro'' kitchen!
owned.... don't think so!!!!
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this apenis is a fuckin tool, if i were him i would not post, but the guy jus keeps comin back to get owned by everybody, who the fuck cares if hes a wine expert or has ten degrees, hes a pathological liar, who lies about anything jus to keep attention towards himself, i enjoy laughing at this idiot.
It's abundently clear that TA received little to NO attention from his parents or peer group growing up. A pathetic, sad excuse for a human being IMO.
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I don't even have to read this thread to tell a few things about it. First, Adam has a severe mental disorder that makes him start threads with outrageous claims so he can draw attention to himself. If might be that he's a wine expert or that he has been walking around for months with 3%BF, somehow making these claims makes him feel like more of a man. The more outrageous the statement the more attention he gets, hence the name "all getbiggers are idiots". Without the constant attention he gets here he'd dry up and blow away.
second, TA you're more and more of a tool everyday. Now you're all of a sudden a wine expert? What a sad and pathetic life you must lead when everything you are revolves around BB websites, how many have you been kicked off of now? That doesn't tell you anything?
hahah first of all, MELTDOWN. Second of all, why are you so jealous that you cannot afford decent wine with your meal every night? Is this why your wife became so dissatisfied with your "performance" that she had to find another man on the side?
What kind of a "man" are you, "Natural Selection Al"?
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hahah first of all, MELTDOWN. Second of all, why are you so jealous that you cannot afford decent wine with your meal every night? Is this why your wife became so dissatisfied with your "performance" that she had to find another man on the side?
What kind of a "man" are you, "Natural Selection Al"?
Heckler = Adonis alter ego, execpt I think his alter ego knows less than Adonis!
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Heckler = Adonis alter ego, execpt I think his alter ego knows less than Adonis!
Is that humanly possible?
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hahah first of all, MELTDOWN. Second of all, why are you so jealous that you cannot afford decent wine with your meal every night? Is this why your wife became so dissatisfied with your "performance" that she had to find another man on the side?
What kind of a "man" are you, "Natural Selection Al"?
what are you even talking about? Just cause I dont' say "I'm gonna have some EXPENSIVE wine" doesn't mean I don't have any or can't afford it.
You're constantly suggesting my wife is cheating on me Jez, why is this? We've been married for years, no problems. Just cause you support your louse of a BF with your e-bay business doesn't mean that every man is inadequate...only yours.
BTW-I'm a better man than yours...he's got a bunch of mental problems, I'm fine.
Have a good day jezebelle, you're a skank.
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what are you even talking about? Just cause I dont' say "I'm gonna have some EXPENSIVE wine" doesn't mean I don't have any or can't afford it.
You're constantly suggesting my wife is cheating on me Jez, why is this? We've been married for years, no problems. Just cause you support your louse of a BF with your e-bay business doesn't mean that every man is inadequate...only yours.
BTW-I'm a better man than yours...he's got a bunch of mental problems, I'm fine.
Have a good day jezebelle, you're a skank.
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HAHAHA your not jezzabelle
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TA and his gimmics have now succeeded to surpass The Shadow in terms of being annoying and starting useless threads.
I'm sure it won't be long before some Vote to Ban TA threads start popping up. He is in a perpetual state of meltdown posting about topics ranging from Anti-Gravity suits to Lean and Mean McDonalds diets.
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Being that you post on here almost more than anyone, you are pretty much telling all of us you yourself are as dumb as the rest of america
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lolololol..oh christ...Adonis picking strawberries all day long...how sweet..lololol..gay as the day is long you f+cking homo...no wonder you look like death warmed over... I guess it's true, we are what we eat.. you f+cking peach!!! ahhh hahahahahaha
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Layne will tell you food are not clean or dirty.
If this is true (and I highly doubt it's not because I don't think there are that many stupid people) then perhaps Layne would like to come on here so I can own him just as I own you!
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"Mmm ... a little citrus ... maybe some strawberry.... Passion fruit ... and, oh, there's just like the faintest soupçon of like asparagus and just a flutter of a, like a, nutty Edam cheese...."
Wine is gay.
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If this is true (and I highly doubt it's not because I don't think there are that many stupid people) then perhaps Layne would like to come on here so I can own him just as I own you!
nothing i have ever read of layne's suggests he doesn't think food is clean or dirty. he is a stickler for macronutrient ratios, such as this referring to a guy dieting for a contest with 50% cals from protein, 25% each from fat and carbs:
"Jeff,
to be honest I think you are pretty solid on your macros. If anything you could reduce protein/fat a bit; if you get stuck with fat loss perhaps take fat down to 20% of your daily kcals.
-Layne"
according to adonis, that would be irrelevant because all you'd need to do is total up the calories and worry SOLELY about them. if you got them from fruits, breads, pasta, and a little milk your body would react the same as if it was from eggs, lean meats, dairy, and a little whole grain.
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public service announcement:
1. adonis lives at home with mommy because he is unable to function in the real world
2. adonis has an imaginary girlfriend and claims to be a wine expert
3. adonis claims to be a student working on multiple degrees, but cannot say what school or degrees
4. adonis claims to have great knowledge of training, kinesiology, and nutrition, but has no degrees in any discipline
5. adonis was the wierd kid who wore a fedora and an overcoat in high school
6. adonis was not able to win an online BB contest against other amateurs despite his claims of superiority
That is all
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nothing i have ever read of layne's suggests he doesn't think food is clean or dirty. he is a stickler for macronutrient ratios, such as this referring to a guy dieting for a contest with 50% cals from protein, 25% each from fat and carbs:
"Jeff,
to be honest I think you are pretty solid on your macros. If anything you could reduce protein/fat a bit; if you get stuck with fat loss perhaps take fat down to 20% of your daily kcals.
-Layne"
according to adonis, that would be irrelevant because all you'd need to do is total up the calories and worry SOLELY about them. if you got them from fruits, breads, pasta, and a little milk your body would react the same as if it was from eggs, lean meats, dairy, and a little whole grain.
Here is a paper Layne Wrote:
A study conducted by the Institute for Nutrition and Cancer Research (INCR) discovered that 78% of adults agreed with the statement “the kind of foods you eat is more important than the quantity of food you eat” in regards to weight management. This raises many points of contention. Very good arguments can certainly be made for and against the statement. Since I am forced to choose one side or the other, I believe in the end that it is the quantity of food you eat that is most important, not what foods you eat. In order for one to lose weight, and hence, body fat, one’s caloric expenditure must exceed their caloric intake and this requires energy intake control, and thus the quantity of food must be controlled1.
It is pertinent to state that one should eat healthy foods when on a weight loss diet. Fruits, vegetables, low fat meats, and the like are good sources of vitamins, minerals, and fiber (in the case of fruits and vegetables) and these can certainly impact one’s health. However, one can simply not eat as many “good” foods as they like with reckless abandon and expect not to gain weight. It is certainly easier to achieve a caloric surplus eating twinkies all day than it is to achieve that same surplus though fruits, vegetables, and lean meats, however if the person eating only twinkies makes a conscious effort to limit their Twinkie intake to a calorie level that is less than the amount of calories they expend per day, they will lose weight whereas a person who eats an unlimited amount of “good” foods will still gain weight if they consume more calories than they expend. Obviously, eating only Twinkies or foods similar to it is not a good strategy for weight management, but it is an extreme example used to support my points.
Those who agree with aforementioned statement will most likely try to argue that the specific foods you eat are more important than the quantity that you eat will use the argument that “a calorie is not a calories” to support their stance. In other words, they believe that certain foods may provide a metabolic advantage over other foods. There certainly seems to be some good evidence to support this. For example, diets higher in protein seem to be less “energy efficient” as the conversion of alanine to glucose during gluconeogenesis requires six ATP molecules per mole2 and the conversion of pyruvate to glucose also consumes six ATP molecules per mole.3 Furthermore, four molecules of ATP are required to dispose of the nitrogen as urea.3 Maintaining the turnover of body proteins (i.e. folding, targeting, synthesis, and breakdown) is also energetically very costly.4 In fact, the thermic effects of nutrients are approximately 2-3% for lipids, 6-8% for carbohydrates, and 25-30% for protein!5 This increased thermic effect of food (TEF) seems to cause increased weight loss in high protein diets compared to diets equal in calories but higher in carbohydrates.6 The fiber content of a diet is also another issue to consider. Dietary fiber contains far less metabolizable energy than starchy carbohydrates due to incomplete absorption of fiber. In fact, using the Atwater values (4 kcal/g CHO, 4 kcal/g PRO, & 9 kcal/g FAT) to calculate metabolizable caloric intake may overestimate intake by as much as 3-7% when the fiber content of the diet is increased.7
It is therefore tempting to state that one could eat a high protein/low carbohydrate/increased fiber diet and not need to concern their selves so much with portion size because there is a far smaller net energy gain when consuming such a diet as compared to a typical higher carbohydrate diet. Although the net energy gain is much smaller on a high protein/low carbohydrate/increased fiber diet, the fact remains that there is still a net energy gain, so one can certainly consume more calories than they expend if they fail to control the quantity of food that they take in. Controlling food intake and self monitoring is crucial in any weight loss or weight maintenance regime. In fact, Hill et. al, found that the majority of people who successfully lost weight (at least 13.6 kg) and maintained that weight loss for at least one year practiced some form of cognitive restraint, including restricting certain foods, portion sizes, counting calories, etc.8 So while it may require a greater quantity of food on a high protein/low carbohydrate diet to exceed one’s caloric expenditure, it can still be done, and therefore the quantity of food must be controlled.
While controlling the quantity of food one eats may be more important than the types of foods one eats in regards to weight maintenance/loss, it is important to note that the types of foods that one eats will impact the quantity of foods that one will consume as well. Diets high in protein and high fiber have both shown to reduce hunger compared to a higher carbohydrate or reduced fiber diet.8,9 Additionally, the research seems to support the hypothesis diets higher in dietary protein have an increased thermic effect of food, allowing for greater weight loss at ‘equal’ calorie intakes when compared to higher carbohydrate diets. Therefore, the most successful strategy in achieve weight loss/maintenance may be to practice cognitive restraint while eating a high protein/reduced carbohydrate/high fiber diet.
References
1) Wardlaw GM, Kessel M. Energy Production and Energy Balance. In: Perspective in Nutrition 2nd Ed. New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Higher Education; 2002. p. 535-537.
2) Feinman RD and Fine EJ. A calorie is a calorie violates the second law of thermodynamics. Nutrition J. 2004, 3:9.
3) Hue L. Regulation of gluconeogenesis in liver: In: Jefferson L, Cherington A, eds. Handbook of physiology: the endocrine system. Vol 2. Oxford, United Kingdom: Oxford University Press, 2001:649-57.
4) Bier DM. The energy cost of protein metabolism: lean and mean on Uncle Sam’s team. In: The role of protein and amino acids in sustaining and enhancing performance. Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 1999:109-19.
5) Jequier E: Pathways to obesity. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2002, 26 Suppl 2:S12-7.
6) Westman EC, Mavropoulos J, Yancy WS, Vlek JS: A review of low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets. Curr Atheroscler Rep 2003, 5:476-483.
7) Buchnolz AC and Schoeller DA. Is a calorie a calorie? Am J Clin Nutr, 2004:79(suppl): 899S-906S.
8) Nickols-Richardson SM, Coleman MD, Volpe JJ, Hosig KW. Perceived hunger is lower and weight loss is greater in overweight pre-menopausal women consuming a low-carbohydrate/high-protein vs. high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet. J. Am. Diet. Assoc. 2005 Sep;105(9):1433-7.
9) Howarth NC, Saltzman E, Roberts SB. Dietary fiber and weight regulation.
Nutr. Rev. 2001 May;59(5):129-39.
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nothing i have ever read of layne's suggests he doesn't think food is clean or dirty. he is a stickler for macronutrient ratios, such as this referring to a guy dieting for a contest with 50% cals from protein, 25% each from fat and carbs:
"Jeff,
to be honest I think you are pretty solid on your macros. If anything you could reduce protein/fat a bit; if you get stuck with fat loss perhaps take fat down to 20% of your daily kcals.
-Layne"
according to adonis, that would be irrelevant because all you'd need to do is total up the calories and worry SOLELY about them. if you got them from fruits, breads, pasta, and a little milk your body would react the same as if it was from eggs, lean meats, dairy, and a little whole grain.
Again. Post the question on the MD board: Layne, Is there a such thing as a "Clean" or "Dirty" food, a "Good" or a "bad" food.
He will give you an answer.
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Here is a paper Layne Wrote:
A study conducted by the Institute for Nutrition and Cancer Research (INCR) discovered that 78% of adults agreed with the statement “the kind of foods you eat is more important than the quantity of food you eat” in regards to weight management. This raises many points of contention. Very good arguments can certainly be made for and against the statement. Since I am forced to choose one side or the other, I believe in the end that it is the quantity of food you eat that is most important, not what foods you eat. In order for one to lose weight, and hence, body fat, one’s caloric expenditure must exceed their caloric intake and this requires energy intake control, and thus the quantity of food must be controlled1.
It is pertinent to state that one should eat healthy foods when on a weight loss diet. Fruits, vegetables, low fat meats, and the like are good sources of vitamins, minerals, and fiber (in the case of fruits and vegetables) and these can certainly impact one’s health. However, one can simply not eat as many “good” foods as they like with reckless abandon and expect not to gain weight. It is certainly easier to achieve a caloric surplus eating twinkies all day than it is to achieve that same surplus though fruits, vegetables, and lean meats, however if the person eating only twinkies makes a conscious effort to limit their Twinkie intake to a calorie level that is less than the amount of calories they expend per day, they will lose weight whereas a person who eats an unlimited amount of “good” foods will still gain weight if they consume more calories than they expend. Obviously, eating only Twinkies or foods similar to it is not a good strategy for weight management, but it is an extreme example used to support my points.
Those who agree with aforementioned statement will most likely try to argue that the specific foods you eat are more important than the quantity that you eat will use the argument that “a calorie is not a calories” to support their stance. In other words, they believe that certain foods may provide a metabolic advantage over other foods. There certainly seems to be some good evidence to support this. For example, diets higher in protein seem to be less “energy efficient” as the conversion of alanine to glucose during gluconeogenesis requires six ATP molecules per mole2 and the conversion of pyruvate to glucose also consumes six ATP molecules per mole.3 Furthermore, four molecules of ATP are required to dispose of the nitrogen as urea.3 Maintaining the turnover of body proteins (i.e. folding, targeting, synthesis, and breakdown) is also energetically very costly.4 In fact, the thermic effects of nutrients are approximately 2-3% for lipids, 6-8% for carbohydrates, and 25-30% for protein!5 This increased thermic effect of food (TEF) seems to cause increased weight loss in high protein diets compared to diets equal in calories but higher in carbohydrates.6 The fiber content of a diet is also another issue to consider. Dietary fiber contains far less metabolizable energy than starchy carbohydrates due to incomplete absorption of fiber. In fact, using the Atwater values (4 kcal/g CHO, 4 kcal/g PRO, & 9 kcal/g FAT) to calculate metabolizable caloric intake may overestimate intake by as much as 3-7% when the fiber content of the diet is increased.7
It is therefore tempting to state that one could eat a high protein/low carbohydrate/increased fiber diet and not need to concern their selves so much with portion size because there is a far smaller net energy gain when consuming such a diet as compared to a typical higher carbohydrate diet. Although the net energy gain is much smaller on a high protein/low carbohydrate/increased fiber diet, the fact remains that there is still a net energy gain, so one can certainly consume more calories than they expend if they fail to control the quantity of food that they take in. Controlling food intake and self monitoring is crucial in any weight loss or weight maintenance regime. In fact, Hill et. al, found that the majority of people who successfully lost weight (at least 13.6 kg) and maintained that weight loss for at least one year practiced some form of cognitive restraint, including restricting certain foods, portion sizes, counting calories, etc.8 So while it may require a greater quantity of food on a high protein/low carbohydrate diet to exceed one’s caloric expenditure, it can still be done, and therefore the quantity of food must be controlled.
While controlling the quantity of food one eats may be more important than the types of foods one eats in regards to weight maintenance/loss, it is important to note that the types of foods that one eats will impact the quantity of foods that one will consume as well. Diets high in protein and high fiber have both shown to reduce hunger compared to a higher carbohydrate or reduced fiber diet.8,9 Additionally, the research seems to support the hypothesis diets higher in dietary protein have an increased thermic effect of food, allowing for greater weight loss at ‘equal’ calorie intakes when compared to higher carbohydrate diets. Therefore, the most successful strategy in achieve weight loss/maintenance may be to practice cognitive restraint while eating a high protein/reduced carbohydrate/high fiber diet.
References
1) Wardlaw GM, Kessel M. Energy Production and Energy Balance. In: Perspective in Nutrition 2nd Ed. New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Higher Education; 2002. p. 535-537.
2) Feinman RD and Fine EJ. A calorie is a calorie violates the second law of thermodynamics. Nutrition J. 2004, 3:9.
3) Hue L. Regulation of gluconeogenesis in liver: In: Jefferson L, Cherington A, eds. Handbook of physiology: the endocrine system. Vol 2. Oxford, United Kingdom: Oxford University Press, 2001:649-57.
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Again............it's nothing new, how many times do I have to tell you that?
But it does NOT pertain to a bodybuilding pre-contest protcol!
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Again............it's nothing new, how many times do I have to tell you that?
But it does NOT pertain to a bodybuilding pre-contest protcol!
Ask Layne if it does.
He will tell you different. So will I.
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Adonis, you can tell anyone on this board practically anything and it still won't make you believable in any way. You have as much credibility as I do, which is zero. Copying and pasting endless amounts of this shit on here will not change the fact that no one believes your sure-fire "principles" that you still have not elaborated on in any detail nor have you posted your deadlift video or given us your "equation" Your shit is straight out of a white lab coat Muscletech add.
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Ask Layne if it does.
He will tell you different. So will I.
Sorry dude, you might be that stupid, but I don't think Layne is!
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Adonis, you can tell anyone on this board practically anything and it still won't make you believable in any way. You have as much credibility as I do, which is zero. Copying and pasting endless amounts of this shit on here will not change the fact that no one believes your sure-fire "principles" that you still have not elaborated on in any detail nor have you posted your deadlift video or given us your "equation" Your shit is straight out of a white lab coat Muscletech add.
www.essentialnutrition.org
Start a thread with me with pictures every week, and I will use my equation on you in about a month-2 months.
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True Adonis, do you ever binge drink?
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True Adonis, do you ever binge drink?
Never.
2-3 Glasses of Wine a day.
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what is th epoint of the wine? i know it can be good for you in small doses every day, but I'm sure there are other things that are just as good and dont have empy alcohol calories.
grape juice possibly
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Never.
2-3 Glasses of Wine a day.
Get the "Faye" if your going to buy Stags Leap.
If you really want to get into some serious wine drinking, you might want to check out some of the Piedmont wines like Barolo and Barbaresco. It will change the way you think about wine. A lot of the California stuff is to one dimensional with the fruit forward overoaked shit really getting too much attention by American wne drinkers that cant expand their palates. Trust me, try some of the European stuff.
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drink beer.
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Get the "Faye" if your going to buy Stags Leap.
If you really want to get into some serious wine drinking, you might want to check out some of the Piedmont wines like Barolo and Barbaresco. It will change the way you think about wine. A lot of the California stuff is to one dimensional with the fruit forward overoaked shit really getting too much attention by American wne drinkers that cant expand their palates. Trust me, try some of the European stuff.
I liked the Pio Cesare a lot. It was a Barolo 2001.
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drink beer.
i agree. beer is far better and with a far greater variety than wine. the difference between a light lager, a strong pale ale, or a really powerful stout is far bigger than you'll get between wines.
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what is th epoint of the wine? i know it can be good for you in small doses every day, but I'm sure there are other things that are just as good and dont have empy alcohol calories.
grape juice possibly
The benefits are too many to list, including reversing the aging process and increasing longevity.
The Benefits are moreover Red Wine specific. Here is one Article you may enjoy.
New research clarifies red wine's benefits
By Kathleen Fackelmann, USA TODAY
Researchers are homing in on how a glass of red wine can offer more than just holiday cheer, but also protection against heart disease, according to a study out today.
More heart news
• Ibuprofen blocks aspirin's heart-protective effects
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That report, which appears in the journal Nature, shines light on a natural chemical in red wine that may protect against clogged arteries.
The findings may help explain a scientific mystery dubbed the "French paradox." Scientists had always wondered why the French have had a relatively low rate of heart disease, despite a diet that often includes rich foods laden with artery-clogging fat.
Roger Corder of the Queen Mary School of Medicine in London focused on flavor compounds in red wine called polyphenols, which had previously been credited with red wine's heart benefit.
In this study, the team doused cow cells growing in lab dishes with polyphenols taken from popular merlots, cabernet sauvignons and other red wines. The team found that polyphenols taken from all of the red wines tested slowed the test-tube production of endothelin-1. This natural chemical may help clog arteries by triggering the growth of smooth muscle cells in the artery wall, a process that leads to fatty deposits.
The findings suggest that people who drink a glass or two of red wine a day get less production of endothelin-1, Corder says.
The researchers found that all the red wines offered the endothelin-1 benefit, but cabernet sauvignon appeared to provide a slight edge.
Red grape juice also slowed the production of endothelin-1, but it wasn't as potent as the red wines, Corder says.
The white and rosé wines the team tested had no effect.
Other studies have shown that drinking red wine may boost the blood levels of HDL cholesterol, the good cholesterol. This is the first study suggesting that red wine's benefit may have something to do with endothelin-1, Corder says.
People who already drink wine might want to consider switching to red wine to get some of the heart benefits, Corder says. Others agree with that, but add a warning about alcohol's downside.
Ira Goldberg, a spokesman for the American Heart Association, says it's easy for people to go overboard on alcohol consumption, which can cause many problems, including liver disease.
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i agree. beer is far better and with a far greater variety than wine. the difference between a light lager, a strong pale ale, or a really powerful stout is far bigger than you'll get between wines.
Total different chemical structure. You will not get the same benefits as in Red Wine.
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I liked the Pio Cesare a lot. It was a Barolo 2001.
Good wine. The Pio Cesare Dolcetto D' Alba is a very good inexpensive wine as well. You could probably buy it for like 15 bucks. After my rant about California wine I am actually drinking Chappellet Signature series cab with dinner tonight. What a hypocrite I can be :D
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A Compound in Red Wine Makes Fat Mice Healthy
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 2, 2006; Page A01
A substance found in red wine protected mice from the ill effects of obesity and extended their life spans, raising the tantalizing prospect that the compound could do the same for humans and may also help people live longer, healthier lives, researchers reported yesterday.
The substance, called resveratrol, enabled mice that were fed a high-calorie, high-fat diet to live normal, active lives despite becoming obese -- the first time any compound has been shown to do that. Tests found that the agent activated a host of genes that protect against aging, essentially neutralizing the adverse effects of the bad diet on the animals' health and longevity.
Although much more work is needed to explore the benefits and safety of the substance, which is sold over the counter as a nutritional supplement, the findings could lead to the long-sought goal of extending the healthy human life span, experts said. Preliminary tests in people are underway.
"We've been looking for something like this for the last 100,000 years, and maybe it's right around the corner -- a molecule that could be taken in a single pill to delay the diseases of aging and keep you healthier as you grow old," said David A. Sinclair, a Harvard Medical School molecular biologist who led the study. "The potential impact would be huge."
The findings triggered excitement among scientists studying aging. They hailed the findings as groundbreaking.
"This represents a likely major landmark," said Stephen L. Helfand, who studies the molecular genetics of aging at Brown University. "This really pushes the field forward. It's quite exciting."
The research, published online by the journal Nature, helps explain a host of observations that have long intrigued researchers, including why French people tend to have fewer heart attacks even though they have high-fat diets and why severely restricting the amount of calories that animals ingest makes them live longer.
"This gives us hope that the idea of harnessing the power of calorie restriction is not a fantasy and can be brought to reality," said Leonard P. Guarente, who studies the biology of aging at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "This could produce a whole new approach to preventing and treating the diseases of aging."
Previous research has shown that laboratory animals fed very-low-calorie diets live significantly longer, which has prompted some people to try arduous "caloric restriction" diets as a possible fountain of youth, even though their effectiveness in humans remains unproven.
In the hope of finding a drug that could harness the natural life-extending capabilities activated by caloric restriction, Sinclair and his colleagues identified a number of promising compounds, including resveratrol, which is found in red wine, grape skins, peanuts and other plants. The compound, which increases the activity of enzymes known as sirtuins, prolongs the life span of every organism scientists have tested it on, including yeast, worms, fish and fruit flies.
To examine for the first time whether resveratrol could also extend longevity in mammals, Sinclair and his colleagues studied year-old mice, which are the equivalent of middle-aged humans. One-third of the mice were fed a standard diet. Another third ate the equivalent of a junk-food diet -- one very high in calories, with 60 percent of the calories coming from fat. The last third lived on the unhealthful diet combined with resveratrol.
After a year, the researchers found that both groups of mice that ate the junk-food diet got fat, and those that did not get any resveratrol experienced a host of health problems, including bloated livers and the early signs of diabetes and heart disease. They tended to die prematurely.
But the mice that received resveratrol remained healthy and were about 30 percent less likely to die, living as long as the animals that ate a normal diet and stayed thin. Preliminary results indicate resveratrol increases their life span by about 15 percent, which is the equivalent of adding perhaps about 10 human years.
Moreover, the hearts and livers of the animals getting resveratrol looked healthy, the activity of a host of key genes appeared normal, and they showed some of the biological changes triggered by caloric restriction. They also appeared to have a better quality of life, retaining their activity levels and agility.
"It is really quite amazing," Sinclair said. "The mice were still fat, but they looked just as healthy as the lean animals."
The researchers cautioned that the findings should not encourage people to eat badly, thinking resveratrol could make gluttony safe. They also noted that a person would have to drink hundreds of glasses of red wine a day or take megadoses of the commercially available supplements to get the levels given to the mice -- doses that may not be safe. Until human studies are done, no one knows whether the findings apply to people.
But the findings indicate that resveratrol or molecules like it could have myriad benefits, and Sinclair has started taking it. Several other researchers on aging said the results tempted them to start using the supplements as well.
"I'm usually a very cautious person," said Cynthia Kenyon of the University of California at San Francisco. "But I'm seriously thinking about taking resveratrol myself. It seems pretty wonderful."
Said Helfand: "I actually told my mother she should take it. I even went out and got her some."
The researchers are continuing to study the remaining living mice to gauge all the benefits, as well as other mice fed a normal diet or a calorie-restricted diet along with resveratrol to see whether the substance extends life in non-obese animals. So far the results appear promising, researchers said.
"This appears to have a lot of potential," said Rafael de Cabo of the National Institute on Aging, which helped conduct and fund the study.
Sirtris Pharmaceuticals Inc., a biotech company in Cambridge, Mass., that Sinclair helped start and that also helped fund the mouse study, has started testing a version of resveratrol on diabetic humans. Other researchers are studying similar substances to reduce the risk of cancer.
"For now, we counsel patience," Matt Kaeberlein and Peter S. Rabinovitch of the University of Washington wrote in an article accompanying the study. "Just sit back and relax with a glass of red wine. . . . If you must have a Big Mac, fries and apple pie, we may soon know if you should supersize that resveratrol shake."
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i agree. beer is far better and with a far greater variety than wine. the difference between a light lager, a strong pale ale, or a really powerful stout is far bigger than you'll get between wines.
Beer is great. However, your variety comment is WAY off.
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Good wine. The Pio Cesare Dolcetto D' Alba is a very good inexpensive wine as well. You could probably buy it for like 15 bucks. After my rant about California wine I am actually drinking Chappellet Signature series cab with dinner tonight. What a hypocrite I can be :D
I am talking about the Pio Cesare` Alba Italia, we paid 80 for it.
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:o :o :o wow i'm impress (the needs to say the price, lolll)
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Beer is great. However, your variety comment is WAY off.
no way. the difference between beers is so vast most people wouldn't be able to tell that they're made with the same ingredients. i give someone a simple pilsener, then a strong IPA, and finish it off with a well-made porter and they'd swear there's different stuff in each.
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Try a Pinot Noir and then a Riesling and then a Moscato D' Asti and then finish it off with some Champagne. I could go on for hours. Listen, I love beer and wine equally. Last week I went on a HUGE Belgiun beer binge. I must have drank 23 Gallons of Dubbel, trippel, Strong Ale, Fucking Quad you name it (THis was all because I discovered a new shop that carries like 200 different Belgiun beers...I was like a kid in a candy shop) but there are so many different varietals of wine that you really can't say beer has more variety than wine. I am drunk now.
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Again. Post the question on the MD board: Layne, Is there a such thing as a "Clean" or "Dirty" food, a "Good" or a "bad" food.
He will give you an answer.
Layne`s Answer:
for the most part a calorie is a calorie, however diets that are higher in protein and fiber have been shown to take more energy to digest and increase the thermic effect of food. I have an article coming out on this very subject in the next issue of intelligent design. It's late now but i'll post a section of it up for you. Basically, the overall take home message is the #1 thing is that you need to watch your calories, if you eat more than you burn by too much you'll gain fat... even if you are just eating chicken broccoli & rice... you overconsume, you gain fat... but if you underconsume calories eating just twinkies you'll still lose weight. so the calories you consume is important, but the foods you consume them from may help influence that caloric balance. Jezebelle is right though mostly, there are no 'good' or 'bad' foods. One slice of pizza isn't bad, eating the whole thing is.
Hope i didn't confuse you further lol
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Layne`s Answer:
for the most part a calorie is a calorie, however diets that are higher in protein and fiber have been shown to take more energy to digest and increase the thermic effect of food. I have an article coming out on this very subject in the next issue of intelligent design. It's late now but i'll post a section of it up for you. Basically, the overall take home message is the #1 thing is that you need to watch your calories, if you eat more than you burn by too much you'll gain fat... even if you are just eating chicken broccoli & rice... you overconsume, you gain fat... but if you underconsume calories eating just twinkies you'll still lose weight. so the calories you consume is important, but the foods you consume them from may help influence that caloric balance. Jezebelle is right though mostly, there are no 'good' or 'bad' foods. One slice of pizza isn't bad, eating the whole thing is.
Hope i didn't confuse you further lol
How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.
By The True Adonis
You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.
You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.
Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.
Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?
QUOTED 2007
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Layne`s Answer:
Basically, the overall take home message is the #1 thing is that you need to watch your calories, if you eat more than you burn by too much you'll gain fat... even if you are just eating chicken broccoli & rice... you overconsume, you gain fat... but if you underconsume calories eating just twinkies you'll still lose weight. so the calories you consume is important, but the foods you consume them from may help influence that caloric balance. Jezebelle is right though mostly, there are no 'good' or 'bad' foods. One slice of pizza isn't bad, eating the whole thing is.
Hope i didn't confuse you further lol
No shit.......commonsense, WTF is your point? But there is a difference between shit food and clean food...........care to get owned, AGAIN?
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Good foods just works better in athletes and everyone else and thats very common knowledge. A great diet with training and whole good foods would help most people deadlift 225 a 112 times too, try it.
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Good foods just works better in athletes and everyone else and thats very common knowledge. A great diet with training and whole good foods would help most people deadlift 225 a 112 times too, try it.
Look up Michael Phelps and his diet since you want to talk about athletes.
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"I've got to get more sleep than I did last night," said Phelps, who found an Athens routine that works. "The thing I'm having in the dining hall twice a day is pizza and pasta, and that's all I've been eating. After the meet is done, it's all-you-can-eat at McDonald's."
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By HOWARD COHEN hcohen@herald.com
Two weeks ago Michael Phelps, arguably the world's top swimmer, had his eyes on one thing: winning gold at the Olympic Games in Athens.
After winning his sixth and becoming this Olympics' shining star he eagerly refocused his attention on another cause: eating a Big Mac or two with french fries.
Finally, some good news for the embattled carb.
Many trainers recommend voluminous quantities of food and carbohydrate-rich offerings like pancakes, pasta and potatoes for the super athlete.
For endurance athletes, the generally accepted daily 2,000 calorie diet and carb-free lifestyle is akin to putting in a quarter tank of gas when you need to drive from Fort Lauderdale to Gainesville. It ain't gonna cut it.
Try 6,000 calories a day. Or more. That would define Phelps' diet, which on any given day finds the 6-foot-4, 195-pound jock chowing down on french toast, pancakes, cereal, omelets, steak, mashed potatoes, Caesar salad, ice cream and energy bars.
But that's Phelps. While the average gymgoer or weekend athlete may burn about 200 to 700 calories an hour doing something like running, taking a Tae Bo class or spinning, Phelps burns at least 3,000 calories a day swimming up to seven miles in five hours -- every day. That's what helped place him atop the winner's podium in Athens.
As a competitive swimmer from grade school through college, I can relate. Eating like that served me well. For awhile. But when I stopped competing, I discovered that, like most people, 2,000 calories is about the maximum to avoid packing on pounds.
''The key is top-conditioned athletes,'' says sports trainer Brian Glaspy, coordinator of the Wellness Program at the University of Miami. ''When you are putting out that much more energy expenditure, the body needs to take in more calories for recovery and repair,'' Glaspy says. Otherwise, one loses muscle mass. Carbs also help ward off dehydration in long workouts by retaining some of the body's water.
Focusing on proteins and fats a la Atkins also will not likely put an athlete on the gold medal platform. Says Glaspy, ``After high energy exercise activity the body has two hours to put carbs back in to the system to restore glycogen in the liver and then in the muscle itself because so much of it was burned off during the process to create explosiveness.''
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The Famous Cut & Paste by Apenis. Never anything original always copied. Hey Apenis that should be your tagline
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"I've got to get more sleep than I did last night," said Phelps, who found an Athens routine that works. "The thing I'm having in the dining hall twice a day is pizza and pasta, and that's all I've been eating. After the meet is done, it's all-you-can-eat at McDonald's."
"God hates fags," replied Fred.
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good article sucky last name
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By HOWARD COHEN hcohen@herald.com
Two weeks ago Michael Phelps, arguably the world's top swimmer, had his eyes on one thing: winning gold at the Olympic Games in Athens.
After winning his sixth and becoming this Olympics' shining star he eagerly refocused his attention on another cause: eating a Big Mac or two with french fries.
Finally, some good news for the embattled carb.
Many trainers recommend voluminous quantities of food and carbohydrate-rich offerings like pancakes, pasta and potatoes for the super athlete.
For endurance athletes, the generally accepted daily 2,000 calorie diet and carb-free lifestyle is akin to putting in a quarter tank of gas when you need to drive from Fort Lauderdale to Gainesville. It ain't gonna cut it.
Try 6,000 calories a day. Or more. That would define Phelps' diet, which on any given day finds the 6-foot-4, 195-pound jock chowing down on french toast, pancakes, cereal, omelets, steak, mashed potatoes, Caesar salad, ice cream and energy bars.
But that's Phelps. While the average gymgoer or weekend athlete may burn about 200 to 700 calories an hour doing something like running, taking a Tae Bo class or spinning, Phelps burns at least 3,000 calories a day swimming up to seven miles in five hours -- every day. That's what helped place him atop the winner's podium in Athens.
As a competitive swimmer from grade school through college, I can relate. Eating like that served me well. For awhile. But when I stopped competing, I discovered that, like most people, 2,000 calories is about the maximum to avoid packing on pounds.
''The key is top-conditioned athletes,'' says sports trainer Brian Glaspy, coordinator of the Wellness Program at the University of Miami. ''When you are putting out that much more energy expenditure, the body needs to take in more calories for recovery and repair,'' Glaspy says. Otherwise, one loses muscle mass. Carbs also help ward off dehydration in long workouts by retaining some of the body's water.
Focusing on proteins and fats a la Atkins also will not likely put an athlete on the gold medal platform. Says Glaspy, ``After high energy exercise activity the body has two hours to put carbs back in to the system to restore glycogen in the liver and then in the muscle itself because so much of it was burned off during the process to create explosiveness.''
Adonis, which part of this artical would you like me own you on, the part where he says he burns more than 3000Kcals per day, or the part where it's obviously macro controlled with high carbs.......see, what you fail to realize is that he can afford to eat high carbs with moderate to low fat, the average person or bodybuilder cannot, if you recall in one of my posts, I said that the majority of my athletes have a higher percentage of carbs in their diets simply because they are athletes and work much harder than the average person, they are on calorie controlled diets, but for the most part, it's a clean diet, I also give them a food exchange list, even though I do not advocate junk food, they do have that choice but only to a limit, if I see them looking sluggish during training, I know where to look and it's usually the consumption of too much simple sugar, so I restrict them with the food exchange and they come back in as a whole new productive athlete.
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"I've got to get more sleep than I did last night," said Phelps, who found an Athens routine that works. "The thing I'm having in the dining hall twice a day is pizza and pasta, and that's all I've been eating. After the meet is done, it's all-you-can-eat at McDonald's."
All smart athletes carb load before events w/ pasta, rice, potato's etc. Pizza would not be considered an intelligent choice, although, it is a carb source as well. I'd advise the avoidance of dairy products, due to it's high mucus producing effect.
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All smart athletes carb load before events w/ pasta, rice, potato's etc. Pizza would not be considered an intelligent choice, although, it is a carb source as well. I'd advise the avoidance of dairy products, due to it's high mucus producing effect.
Exactly. Apenis thinks he knows more than anyone. He thinks he knows more than elite athletes. Their is a reason why before marathons and triathons the have a carb party. The one here in Honolulu is awesome. The night before the race their is a huge carb party and about 30,000 people are eating all the spaghetti, pasta and veggies they can eat.
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Exactly. Apenis thinks he knows more than anyone. He thinks he knows more than elite athletes. Their is a reason why before marathons and triathons the have a carb party. The one here in Honolulu is awesome. The night before the race their is a huge carb party and about 30,000 people are eating all the spaghetti, pasta and veggies they can eat.
I bet they run in fear when they see you waddling to the picnic tables. They probably even try to secretly cancel the Carb-Party because they know your fat ass has it highlighted on your calendar.
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I'm not gonna read the article but I kinda thought this was a BB site not a swimming site. Is this gonna become a cut n paste for every article ever written that says someone ate mcdonalds or pizza?
just shut the fuck up already.
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hahahahaha
natural al and onlyme cant stay away from an adonis post and cant post anything that means anything to the current topic. he owns your mind.
layne norton says, essentially a calorie is a calorie, and nobody says much.
adonis says, essentially a calorie is a calorie, and all the fat guys start screaming hes an idiot.
they dont want to learn adam. people like to make things difficult.
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hahahahaha
natural al and onlyme cant stay away from an adonis post and cant post anything that means anything to the current topic. he owns your mind.
layne norton says, essentially a calorie is a calorie, and nobody says much.
adonis says, essentially a calorie is a calorie, and all the fat guys start screaming hes an idiot.
they dont want to learn adam. people like to make things difficult.
::) ::) ::) nice try TA, never said anything of the sort, I've always said I think you're a smart guy...problem is you're an asshole. 2 different things.
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hahahaha, now im a TA gimmick too.
oh brother.
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i think sometimes Ta make sense, but to say its his principle, i don't agree! it's been around for awhile.
sometimes it doesn't make sense, like mc do, or cheat food only...
if TA had approched us differently, things would have been different. but with all the bullshit and claims and no proof to back it up, what do you expect?
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hahahaha, now im a TA gimmick too.
oh brother.
when in doubt you're gonna be a gimmick as far as I'm concerned. If your not you don't know jack about me, I've never said TA was right or wrong with his nutritional views, I dont' agree with the degree he pushes it but that's about it.
I've never read a thing Layne Norton has written about eating so for you to say I reacted differently than I did when TA said it is wrong.
is a calorie a calorie? I've read numerous things for both sides, I think TA over simplifies it and posts things that are very one sided. That's all I've ever said.
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when in doubt you're gonna be a gimmick as far as I'm concerned. If your not you don't know jack about me, I've never said TA was right or wrong with his nutritional views, I dont' agree with the degree he pushes it but that's about it.
I've never read a thing Layne Norton has written about eating so for you to say I reacted differently than I did when TA said it is wrong.
is a calorie a calorie? I've read numerous things for both sides, I think TA over simplifies it and posts things that are very one sided. That's all I've ever said.
i know you chase adonis around and post in just about every thread that he has posted in, most often to criticize him whether it has to do with the topic or not.
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A calorie is a calorie only if you've assumed it has been already absorbed across the intestinal wall and into the bloodstream in the same metabolic environment.
If you are looking at the caloric content of food before you eat it, a calorie does NOT necessarily equal a calorie in vivo.
You may have neglected to consider the timing of food, amount of food per serving, diurnal variation in hormonal environment, bioavailability, insulin response, permeability of intestinal villi to said factors, and the resultant effect of a "calorie" in different serum hormone (esp. insulin & cortisol) levels.
Layne & True Adonis are correct in that the total caloric intake is probably the most important consideration when losing weight, but there are many other factors to consider.
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A calorie is a calorie only if you've assumed it has been already absorbed across the intestinal wall and into the bloodstream in the same metabolic environment.
If you are looking at the caloric content of food before you eat it, a calorie does NOT necessarily equal a calorie in vivo.
You may have neglected to consider the timing of food, amount of food per serving, diurnal variation in hormonal environment, bioavailability, insulin response, permeability of intestinal villi to said factors, and the resultant effect of a "calorie" in different serum hormone (esp. insulin & cortisol) levels.
Layne & True Adonis are correct in that the total caloric intake is probably the most important consideration when losing weight, but there are many other factors to consider.
At least you sound like you know something. The last sentence is something that EVERYONE knows. Apenis makes it sound like he invented it. He does nothing original. He plays on what others have already said for years. I just told my 9 year old what Apenis is saying about calories and weight gain or loss and she said Duh. Even she knows this. Apenis does nothing knew. He never even went to college and he said he did
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I will PM you with my info. I don`t need these unintelligent ingrates to have anything.
Thanks, sicko. I knew you cared.
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At least you sound like you know something. The last sentence is something that EVERYONE knows. Apenis makes it sound like he invented it. He does nothing original. He plays on what others have already said for years. I just told my 9 year old what Apenis is saying about calories and weight gain or loss and she said Duh. Even she knows this. Apenis does nothing knew. He never even went to college and he said he did
How come you haven`t grapsed the concept your whole life? There is no reason to be close to 400 lbs of fat. That certainly didn`t happen overnight. Even if bed-ridden, you could simply reduce your calories to adjust for lack of activity.
Why are you fat? Not just a little fat. But Morbidly obese?
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Exactly. Apenis thinks he knows more than anyone. He thinks he knows more than elite athletes. Their is a reason why before marathons and triathons the have a carb party. The one here in Honolulu is awesome. The night before the race their is a huge carb party and about 30,000 people are eating all the spaghetti, pasta and veggies they can eat.
Adonis is clueless.......period.
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i think sometimes Ta make sense, but to say its his principle, i don't agree! it's been around for awhile.
sometimes it doesn't make sense, like mc do, or cheat food only...
if TA had approched us differently, things would have been different. but with all the bullshit and claims and no proof to back it up, what do you expect?
the funny thing is there are no 'adonis principles'. he might as well claim that he invented weightlifting (although he did claim to have invented the deadlift recently). all there is to the "adonis principles" is claiming that a calorie is a calorie and that's the end of the discussion. that's such an old rule to try and lay claim to it is retarded.
and if you pay close attention, it's obvious he's just bullshitting his way along. he flubs the math, provides incongruous claims concerning his diet, and implicitly admits that they're all BS by saying he personally eats salads and fruit all the time.
it'd be like me saying i have the "magoo principles" for weightlifting. no schedule, no set training times or sets, you work whatever body part you feel needs worked for as long as you feel it needs worked whenever you feel it needs worked. as for me, it just so happens that i feel like my muscles need worked twice a week for an hour at a time, four days a week total. you know, like a standard powerlifter split, but it's the magoo principles!!!!
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the funny thing is there are no 'adonis principles'. he might as well claim that he invented weightlifting (although he did claim to have invented the deadlift recently). all there is to the "adonis principles" is claiming that a calorie is a calorie and that's the end of the discussion. that's such an old rule to try and lay claim to it is retarded.
and if you pay close attention, it's obvious he's just bullshitting his way along. he flubs the math, provides incongruous claims concerning his diet, and implicitly admits that they're all BS by saying he personally eats salads and fruit all the time.
it'd be like me saying i have the "magoo principles" for weightlifting. no schedule, no set training times or sets, you work whatever body part you feel needs worked for as long as you feel it needs worked whenever you feel it needs worked. as for me, it just so happens that i feel like my muscles need worked twice a week for an hour at a time, four days a week total. you know, like a standard powerlifter split, but it's the magoo principles!!!!
You are just mad that Layne owned you, and put you back in place on the MD board when you asked your question.
I told you.
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You are just mad that Layne owned you, and put you back in place on the MD board when you asked your question.
I told you.
no, all layne said was that caloric surplus leads to gain, deficit leads to loss. as bodyfx2 clarified...
"I think you are misinterpreting Layne a bit. While he feels that the most important factor regarding weight gain, loss, or maintenance is actual calorie #, he does not at all dismiss the fact that different foods/macro ratios will indeed affect the body in a unique manner."
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no, all layne said was that caloric surplus leads to gain, deficit leads to loss. as bodyfx2 clarified...
"I think you are misinterpreting Layne a bit. While he feels that the most important factor regarding weight gain, loss, or maintenance is actual calorie #, he does not at all dismiss the fact that different foods/macro ratios will indeed affect the body in a unique manner."
Why don`t you post what Layne wrote. Haven`t I always said the same thing. Caloric amount is THE most important thing. Eat what you want. You get adequate nutrients with a common, everyday diet and that you would have to PURPOSELY GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to not meet these nutritional needs.
And that a Calorie will always be a calorie, but a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient?
I have said this time and time again. Your comprehension skills suck, because you speak of eating jars of mayonaisse. You are an idiot.
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Why don`t you post what Layne wrote. Haven`t I always said the same thing. Caloric amount is THE most important thing. Eat what you want. You get adequate nutrients with a common, everyday diet and that you would have to PURPOSELY GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to not meet these nutritional needs.
And that a Calorie will always be a calorie, but a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient?
I have said this time and time again. Your comprehension skills suck, because you speak of eating jars of mayonaisse. You are an idiot.
what is a common, everyday diet? explain that, meal by meal. tell me what a common everyday diet is. really, i'm curious. layne's first post was that caloric intake is the baseline standard of weight loss or gain, but then he followed it up with this:
"our lab as well as others at our university have shown that different macro compositions affect insulin/glucagon ratios, kinase activity, and expression of many genes. So yes it does indeed matter"
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what is a common, everyday diet? explain that, meal by meal. tell me what a common everyday diet is. really, i'm curious. layne's first post was that caloric intake is the baseline standard of weight loss or gain, but then he followed it up with this:
"our lab as well as others at our university have shown that different macro compositions affect insulin/glucagon ratios, kinase activity, and expression of many genes. So yes it does indeed matter"
Why don`t you post Everything Layne said?
Also, how do you feel when he told you that there is no such thing as a good or bad food, and no such thing as a clean or dirty food?
Here is what I ate Yesterday. This would be a normal diet.
All Nutrition requirements are met with ZERO overeating.
Here is what I ate yesterday:
1. Honey Dijon Potato Chips
2. Cheese-Cranberry Goat
3.Triple Chocolate Nestle Drumstick
4. Sprout and Spinach Salad with sweet onions, Roasted Red Pepper Sauce in Raspberry Vinnagrette
5. Havarti Cheese
6. 3 glasses of wine
7. 1 Piece of Pepperoni Pizza
8. 2 Pieces of Garlic Cheese Bread
9. 1 Glass of Milk
10. 2 Asian Pears
11. Tropical Cookies
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the funny thing is there are no 'adonis principles'. he might as well claim that he invented weightlifting (although he did claim to have invented the deadlift recently). all there is to the "adonis principles" is claiming that a calorie is a calorie and that's the end of the discussion. that's such an old rule to try and lay claim to it is retarded.
and if you pay close attention, it's obvious he's just bullshitting his way along. he flubs the math, provides incongruous claims concerning his diet, and implicitly admits that they're all BS by saying he personally eats salads and fruit all the time.
it'd be like me saying i have the "magoo principles" for weightlifting. no schedule, no set training times or sets, you work whatever body part you feel needs worked for as long as you feel it needs worked whenever you feel it needs worked. as for me, it just so happens that i feel like my muscles need worked twice a week for an hour at a time, four days a week total. you know, like a standard powerlifter split, but it's the magoo principles!!!!
Listen, Adonis just throws up as much sh*t on the wall as humanly possible, hoping something sticks. Never does.
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i know you chase adonis around and post in just about every thread that he has posted in, most often to criticize him whether it has to do with the topic or not.
so yu are a gimmick after all :P
epic only seeing what you want to see.
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Why don`t you post Everything Layne said?
Also, how do you feel when he told you that there is no such thing as a good or bad food, and no such thing as a clean or dirty food?
Here is what I ate Yesterday. This would be a normal diet.
All Nutrition requirements are met with ZERO overeating.
Here is what I ate yesterday:
1. Honey Dijon Potato Chips
2. Cheese-Cranberry Goat
3.Triple Chocolate Nestle Drumstick
4. Sprout and Spinach Salad with sweet onions, Roasted Red Pepper Sauce in Raspberry Vinnagrette
5. Havarti Cheese
6. 3 glasses of wine
7. 1 Piece of Pepperoni Pizza
8. 2 Pieces of Garlic Cheese Bread
9. 1 Glass of Milk
10. 2 Asian Pears
11. Tropical Cookies
An Elite athete couldn't eat that cr*p. Total garbage in = Garbage out.
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Why don`t you post Everything Layne said?
Also, how do you feel when he told you that there is no such thing as a good or bad food, and no such thing as a clean or dirty food?
Here is what I ate Yesterday. This would be a normal diet.
All Nutrition requirements are met with ZERO overeating.
Here is what I ate yesterday:
1. Honey Dijon Potato Chips
2. Cheese-Cranberry Goat
3.Triple Chocolate Nestle Drumstick
4. Sprout and Spinach Salad with sweet onions, Roasted Red Pepper Sauce in Raspberry Vinnagrette
5. Havarti Cheese
6. 3 glasses of wine
7. 1 Piece of Pepperoni Pizza
8. 2 Pieces of Garlic Cheese Bread
9. 1 Glass of Milk
10. 2 Asian Pears
11. Tropical Cookies
Again....who cares what you eat you look like shit and are very ugly to boot
hope this helps.
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An Elite athete couldn't eat that cr*p. Total garbage in = Garbage out.
PRO BODYBUILDER`S are not even elite athletes.
If I was an Elite Athlete, I would just eat more. Bodybuilding does not require anyone to overeat.
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it'd be like me saying i have the "magoo principles" for weightlifting. no schedule, no set training times or sets, you work whatever body part you feel needs worked for as long as you feel it needs worked whenever you feel it needs worked. as for me, it just so happens that i feel like my muscles need worked twice a week for an hour at a time, four days a week total. you know, like a standard powerlifter split, but it's the magoo principles!!!!
those are the Kamali principles
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An Elite athete couldn't eat that cr*p. Total garbage in = Garbage out.
An elite athlete would just eat more.
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PRO BODYBUILDER`S are not even elite athletes.
If I was an Elite Athlete, I would just eat more. Bodybuilding does not require anyone to overeat.
adonis why dont you juice?
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It is obvious.
Most of Getbig falls into these categories of the survey:
http://www.essentialnutrition.org/pdf/survey_exec_sum.pdf
If the getbiggers are so dumb, why do you keep posting here?
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If the getbiggers are so dumb, why do you keep posting here?
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Because this is the only place he can come closest to fitting in, yet he doesn't. Sad.
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If the getbiggers are so dumb, why do you keep posting here?
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The reason he continues s because he actually thinks he is superior. We are dumb he is smart. Its that simple. SOmething happened bad in his life where it gave him a serious inferiority complex. He either got beat up allot or picked on or both by the other school kids and his family. On the internet nobody can touch him. He is "untouchable". Things that usually got his ass kicked he can keep saying and nobody can touch him. That is why whenever someone calls him out and invites him somewhere to meet he doesn't go. He has severe mental problems.
Where is the videos. Where is your degree. This guy Apenis is the biggest joke on the Internet and he thinks thats a compliment.
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The reason he continues s because he actually thinks he is superior. We are dumb he is smart. Its that simple. SOmething happened bad in his life where it gave him a serious inferiority complex. He either got beat up allot or picked on or both by the other school kids and his family. On the internet nobody can touch him. He is "untouchable". Things that usually got his ass kicked he can keep saying and nobody can touch him. That is why whenever someone calls him out and invites him somewhere to meet he doesn't go. He has severe mental problems.
Where is the videos. Where is your degree. This guy Apenis is the biggest joke on the Internet and he thinks thats a compliment.
Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Hope that helps.
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malgnent narcissism
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An elite athlete would just eat more.
Yeah, but not more shit!
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Yeah, but not more shit!
You have no clue.
How about starting with Olympic athletes. You can even Branch out to the Winter Olympics. Look up Pentathalon. Get back to me.
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I thought this thread was about wine??
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You have no clue.
How about starting with Olympic athletes. You can even Branch out to the Winter Olympics. Look up Pentathalon. Get back to me.
Seriously you eat garbage you look like garbage simple as that
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All Nutrition requirements are met with ZERO overeating.
Here is what I ate yesterday:
1. Honey Dijon Potato Chips
2. Cheese-Cranberry Goat
3.Triple Chocolate Nestle Drumstick
4. Sprout and Spinach Salad with sweet onions, Roasted Red Pepper Sauce in Raspberry Vinnagrette
5. Havarti Cheese
6. 3 glasses of wine
7. 1 Piece of Pepperoni Pizza
8. 2 Pieces of Garlic Cheese Bread
9. 1 Glass of Milk
10. 2 Asian Pears
11. Tropical Cookies
DAMN!!!!
Thats alot of carbs and sugar... oh wait, there was protein there (cheese, milk & pepperoni). Yep definitely a well balanced diet... especially eating the goat, did you skin and cook it first?
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You have no clue.
How about starting with Olympic athletes. You can even Branch out to the Winter Olympics. Look up Pentathalon. Get back to me.
First off I doubt you have ever seen an elite athlete. Second are you saying that elite athlete eat like shit like you do. If so you are full of shit which it appears you eat allot of. You have NO idea.
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First off I doubt you have ever seen an elite athlete. Second are you saying that elite athlete eat like shit like you do. If so you are full of shit which it appears you eat allot of. You have NO idea.
Michael Phelps isn`t an Athlete? Only the best ever.
By HOWARD COHEN hcohen@herald.com
Two weeks ago Michael Phelps, arguably the world's top swimmer, had his eyes on one thing: winning gold at the Olympic Games in Athens.
After winning his sixth and becoming this Olympics' shining star he eagerly refocused his attention on another cause: eating a Big Mac or two with french fries.
Finally, some good news for the embattled carb.
Many trainers recommend voluminous quantities of food and carbohydrate-rich offerings like pancakes, pasta and potatoes for the super athlete.
For endurance athletes, the generally accepted daily 2,000 calorie diet and carb-free lifestyle is akin to putting in a quarter tank of gas when you need to drive from Fort Lauderdale to Gainesville. It ain't gonna cut it.
Try 6,000 calories a day. Or more. That would define Phelps' diet, which on any given day finds the 6-foot-4, 195-pound jock chowing down on french toast, pancakes, cereal, omelets, steak, mashed potatoes, Caesar salad, ice cream and energy bars.
But that's Phelps. While the average gymgoer or weekend athlete may burn about 200 to 700 calories an hour doing something like running, taking a Tae Bo class or spinning, Phelps burns at least 3,000 calories a day swimming up to seven miles in five hours -- every day. That's what helped place him atop the winner's podium in Athens.
As a competitive swimmer from grade school through college, I can relate. Eating like that served me well. For awhile. But when I stopped competing, I discovered that, like most people, 2,000 calories is about the maximum to avoid packing on pounds.
''The key is top-conditioned athletes,'' says sports trainer Brian Glaspy, coordinator of the Wellness Program at the University of Miami. ''When you are putting out that much more energy expenditure, the body needs to take in more calories for recovery and repair,'' Glaspy says. Otherwise, one loses muscle mass. Carbs also help ward off dehydration in long workouts by retaining some of the body's water.
Focusing on proteins and fats a la Atkins also will not likely put an athlete on the gold medal platform. Says Glaspy, ``After high energy exercise activity the body has two hours to put carbs back in to the system to restore glycogen in the liver and then in the muscle itself because so much of it was burned off during the process to create explosiveness.''
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Michael Phelps:
"I've got to get more sleep than I did last night," said Phelps, who found an Athens routine that works. "The thing I'm having in the dining hall twice a day is pizza and pasta, and that's all I've been eating. After the meet is done, it's all-you-can-eat at McDonald's."
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Here is a picture of Phelps for those of you who aren't familar with him. He is very lean.
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Here is a picture of Phelps for those of you who aren't familar with him. He is very lean.
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looks like a swimmer :-\
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You have no clue.
How about starting with Olympic athletes. You can even Branch out to the Winter Olympics. Look up Pentathalon. Get back to me.
Just let me know when your ready for ANOTHER brutal owning!
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"garbage in garbage out ?"
OWNED....
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1200993
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"garbage in garbage out ?"
OWNED....
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1200993
Owned how?
He's taking in a ton of protein and taking a ton of shit (gear) and any type of training will work when on gear, plus he trains like an athlete................. .you're the who's been owned!
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Owned how?
He's taking in a ton of protein and taking a ton of shit (gear) and any type of training will work when on gear, plus he trains like an athlete................. .you're the who's been owned!
Your theory states he should be eating ALL CLEAN FOOD . He doesn't. He eats a lot of 'empty calories' and he's arguably the Top Strenth Athlete in the world.
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Your theory states he should be eating ALL CLEAN FOOD . He doesn't. He eats a lot of 'empty calories' and he's arguably the Top Strenth Athlete in the world.
Again, when your on gear, you can get away with more than most people, but at the same time, there are certain times when "junk" is allowable, I don't agree with meal plan, just because he states what he eats does not mean it's correct!
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Here is a picture of Phelps for those of you who aren't familar with him. He is very lean.
THIS IS BODYBUILDING TWEETER, NOT THE POOL CLUB!
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Your theory states he should be eating ALL CLEAN FOOD . He doesn't. He eats a lot of 'empty calories' and he's arguably the Top Strenth Athlete in the world.
his training is also incredibly strenuous. it's practically cardio given the endurance events they have to do. when you work out for hours and hours per day and you're jacked up on drugs (you can bet your ass mariusz is on drugs to minimize his fat gain) then you can eat pretty shitty no duh.