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Who will be the GOP messiah?
« on: October 06, 2011, 05:51:19 AM »
Barack Obama is so doomed politically that he sits behind his desk in the Oval Office with a vulture on each shoulder. And every day at noon, Joe Biden comes in dressed as the Grim Reaper and they all play gin.

I know this because the poll gods tell me this. A recent McClatchy/Marist poll says that 49 percent of voters say they definitely plan to vote against Obama in 2012.


In addition, 52 percent of Americans think the Republican candidate will win (even though they don’t know who the Republican candidate will be). And nearly one out of every three Democrats agrees that Obama is finished.

Other polls have shown similar dismal numbers for Obama. But I say the poll gods are wrong. Not only can Obama be reelected, but he is the favorite right now.

Why? Because Obama has one huge plus going for him. It’s called the Republican field.

And Republican voters agree with me. Because if Obama were really so weak a candidate, why would Republicans keep looking for a messiah to save them?

One day it is Michele Bachmann. Then she poops out, and it is Rick Perry. Then he disappoints, and the party turns, in desperation, to Mitt Romney. Then the party decides it is not that desperate and turns to — I kid thee not — Herman Cain.

A CBS poll released Tuesday shows that Cain has moved into a tie with Romney for first place in the Republican field. (After the poll was released, ugly rumors circulated that Warren G. Harding had come in third, even though he has been dead for 88 years.)

So what do I make of Cain’s (meaningless) rise in the (meaningless) polls?

It is meaningless. And a sign of how badly Republicans are still floundering in their search for a candidate. Cain is a genial, harmless dodo who thinks running a country is just like running a business. But it isn’t.

In business, your competitors rarely strive to develop nuclear weapons like Iran (a subject Cain knows almost nothing about). In business, rarely do your competitors have the capacity to clash in ways that could involve the armed forces of the United States, such as China with Taiwan or Israel with its neighbors (two areas of the world that Cain has demonstrated remarkable ignorance about). And in business, you don’t have to feed the hungry, house the homeless or heal the sick.

True, Cain is a man with a domestic plan. Unfortunately for him, it is an utterly hopeless one. Whatever the economic merits of his 9-9-9 plan, it is doomed to political failure because, among other things, it would have Americans give up something they like — their home mortgage interest deduction — for something they won’t like: a 9 percent national sales tax that would be levied on top of state and local taxes.


According to PolitiFact, “In Florida, that would create a hypothetical tax rate of 15 percent in most parts of the state.” True, Cain’s plan offers benefits, but I want to see Cain win Florida and its 29 electoral votes in November 2012 lugging a 15 percent sales tax around on his back.

Yet the poll gods say Cain is hotter than a two-dollar pistol. (Though under Cain, a two-dollar pistol would cost $2.30 in Florida.) But this shows just how frantic Republican voters are. Cain could never win the GOP nomination — yes, race raises its ugly head — and even if he did, he could never win 270 electoral votes to beat Barack Obama.


I am not picking on Cain. I have said exactly the same thing about Michael Bloomberg every time he surfaces as a fantasy independent candidate. His aides tell me that Bloomberg is rich enough to wage and win ballot-access fights in all 50 states; he could self-finance his campaign with billions of dollars more than any opponent and he could buy all the TV time in the known universe.

And I always say the same thing to them: Tell me the states Bloomberg will win. Write down the states that add up to 270. I am still waiting for an answer.

So who could get to 270? Romney could. Conceivably. And Perry. Conceivably. True, Perry is damaged goods today, but he is raising oodles of money, and reporters, lacking their own money, are very impressed by the money of politicians.

But could Republicans be unable to decide on a front-runner because they believe any of their candidates could beat Barack Obama?

No, they could not be so foolish. Though Obama now calls himself the underdog and told one crowd Tuesday that his 2012 efforts “won’t be as sexy as in 2008” and another crowd that “this election is going to be much more just grinding it out,” the fact is, he is pretty good at grinding things out.

True, he presides over a lousy economy and a dreadful war in Afghanistan. But he also has some real accomplishments. He is a heck of a stump speaker and a pretty good debater, and he has an experienced campaign staff.

I don’t believe staffs win elections; the candidates do. But a good staff can help.

And Obama’s campaign staff in Chicago has been doing many things — raising money, shaping strategy, developing a message — but it also has been doing just one thing: counting. To 270.

Which it does awfully well.



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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 06:10:18 AM »
No matter who is elected its just another puppet with Wall Streets leach up there ass nothing is gonna change
And if you want change you are just a sicialist looking for a hand-out. thats logic these days go figure

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 06:27:22 AM »
Kind of sad the most vulnerable POTUS in history and the GOP can't even cough up a decent candidate to run.

The entire crop of candidates thus far have all been VP material at the very best.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 06:32:26 AM »
Kind of sad the most vulnerable POTUS in history and the GOP can't even cough up a decent candidate to run.

The entire crop of candidates thus far have all been VP material at the very best.

No matter what its gonna be corrupt Wall Street clone vs corrupt Wall Street clone

no difference

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 06:33:44 AM »
Kind of sad the most vulnerable POTUS in history and the GOP can't even cough up a decent candidate to run.

The entire crop of candidates thus far have all been VP material at the very best.

This is becayse they know how hard it is for an incumbent to lose.  Look at the last 30 years.  Carter was a stone cold moron.  Bush1 only lost because perot stole 18% of voters, mainly fiscal conservatives.

Obama is going to be awfully hard to beat, kids.  But yall thought mccain would win in a landslide, so...

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 06:40:41 AM »
This is becayse they know how hard it is for an incumbent to lose.  Look at the last 30 years.  Carter was a stone cold moron.  Bush1 only lost because perot stole 18% of voters, mainly fiscal conservatives.

Obama is going to be awfully hard to beat, kids.  But yall thought mccain would win in a landslide, so...

reagan was losing to Carter until the end fool.  Again - less MSNBC and more reading would do you well. 

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 06:47:50 AM »
reagan was losing to Carter until the end fool.  Again - less MSNBC and more reading would do you well. 

Correct.  Carter could have won that election - despite doing a horrible job - and it was close to the end.  And reagan was a great candidate.

Obama is doing a horrible job - and there isn't a reagan running against him.

Plus, Reagan benefitted from the october surprise with the iran hostages.

Face it, chance are obama will win, then a streamlined christie will be fcking unbeatable in the 2016 race.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 06:50:08 AM »
Correct.  Carter could have won that election - despite doing a horrible job - and it was close to the end.  And reagan was a great candidate.

Obama is doing a horrible job - and there isn't a reagan running against him.

Plus, Reagan benefitted from the october surprise with the iran hostages.

Face it, chance are obama will win, then a streamlined christie will be fcking unbeatable in the 2016 race.

LMFAO!   Thats why obama is at 40% in gallup - underwater in almost every state he needs as a floor, etc.

Bro - just stop the bs already and come out in favor of him. 

you would get more respect if you were just honest about it. 

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2011, 06:54:27 AM »
hey, i'm endorsing and voting for the gop canddiate.  i'm taking a picture with cell when i vote.  booya.

that being said, it's historical fact taht incumbents - even shitty ones - are very hard to beat.

obama will be very hard to defeat.  Doesn't matter what polls say.  Dirty tricks, october surprises, weak gop list of candidates, outrigth diebold cheating... he'd do it.

if you think 2012 is a cakewalk,, you're delusional.  Obama will cheat, lie and change history to keep his job.  The GOP canddiate will give speeches based upon their weak employment/healthcare record. 

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 07:17:07 AM »
Kind of sad the most vulnerable POTUS in history and the GOP can't even cough up a decent candidate to run.

The entire crop of candidates thus far have all been VP material at the very best.

What are you talking about. We're 13 months out and Obama is either statistcally tied or LOSING to the frontrunners of the GOP field. Romney's ahead 46-42; Perry trails by just 1. Factor in the undecideds, 80% of which go against the incumbent and Obama is in BIG TROUBLE.


As the economy worsens, Obama plummets. By this time next year, Obama could be on his way to getting beat down, Carter-style.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 07:24:10 AM »

We don't need a Messiah to beat Obama (I just read this article 10 minutes ago).

Nearly all of the battleground states that Obama won in '08, he's losing NOW (and there are no signs he'll get them back).

US elections 2012: why Barack Obama could be heading for a heavy defeat
 



Last week Gallup released a series of surveys that underscored the scale of the challenge faced by Barack Obama as he seeks re-election in November 2012, including a poll showing a rejection of his big-government agenda. As I noted in an earlier piece, Obama could well end up becoming America’s last big-government president. For the White House, the Gallup figures are the stuff of nightmares: reading through them in their entirety it is hard not to draw the conclusion that Obama is heading towards a one-term presidency on the back of a record of failure. He will need a miracle to avoid a heavy defeat and remain in the Oval office.

Gallup’s findings reveal a disillusioned nation that has lost faith in the president’s leadership, or lack of it, with historic levels of public dissatisfaction. According to Gallup,

Americans' satisfaction with the way things are going in the United States remains at 11% in September as it was in August, the lowest readings on this measure since December 2008 – and among the worst on record in a trend that dates to 1979… 56% say they are "very dissatisfied." This is the highest level Gallup has ever found on this trend, which extends over a decade and a half. Just 1% of Americans say they are "very satisfied."

As Gallup notes, the current state of affairs looks ominous for Obama in 2012:

Americans' low level of satisfaction, coupled with their historically high levels of negativity about the U.S. government at this point, a little more than a year before the November 2012 presidential election, do not bode well for President Obama's current re-election chances and perhaps for the fate of incumbent congressmen and congresswomen in Washington. Republicans are particularly upset about the state of the nation, which may drive them to the polls in November 2012.

While the election remains a long way off, economic conditions (which are related to satisfaction) including the unemployment situation would need to make a significant turnaround for Americans' attitudes to improve. On that front, Americans are not hopeful that the economy will be any better a year from now.

Unsurprisingly, only 3 per cent of Republicans are satisfied with the direction America is taking under Obama. But the negative figures among Independents and Democrats are devastating for the president, just 13 months before the country goes to the polls. In Gallup polling, only 9 per cent of Independents and just 20 per cent of Democrats are satisfied with the course America is taking under Obama, the lowest levels of his presidency. Most other major polls paint a similar overall picture, with the latest RealClear Politics average showing a mere 21.4 per cent of Americans agreeing the country is moving in “the right direction.”

The White House will be especially concerned about the dramatic erosion of enthusiasm among the president’s strongest supporters. Gallup finds that Democrats are strikingly dispirited about voting in 2012, compared to their Republican opponents, with the lowest levels of relative enthusiasm among Democrats in a decade:

In thinking about the 2012 presidential election, 45% of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic say they are more enthusiastic about voting than usual, while nearly as many, 44%, are less enthusiastic. This is in sharp contrast to 2008 and, to a lesser extent, 2004, when the great majority of Democrats expressed heightened enthusiasm about voting.

Democrats' muted response to voting in 2012 also contrasts with Republicans' eagerness. Nearly 6 in 10 Republicans, 58%, describe themselves as more enthusiastic about voting. That is nearly identical to Republicans' average level of enthusiasm in 2004 (59%) and higher than it was at most points in 2008.

Democrats' net enthusiasm (+1) now trails Republicans' net enthusiasm (+28) by 27 percentage points. By contrast, Democrats held the advantage on net enthusiasm throughout 2008 — on several occasions, by better than 40-point margins. Democrats occasionally trailed Republicans in net enthusiasm in 2004, but never by as much as is seen today. The current balance of enthusiasm among Republicans and Democrats is similar to what Gallup found in the first few months of 2000.

Gallup's initial – and early – reading on Republicans' and Democrats' enthusiasm for 2012 indicates the emotional climate surrounding that election could be quite different from the climate in 2008, when Democrat Barack Obama won, partly owing to supermajority support from several groups. Democrats' current enthusiasm about voting is not only lower than it was in 2008, but lower than in 2004, when Republican George W. Bush won re-election.

Nothing short of a dramatic turnaround in the fortunes of the US economy is likely to save Obama next year. But there are no signs of an economic miracle on the horizon, and most Americans still feel as though the country is mired in a recession, with 14 million out of work, poor consumer confidence, falling house prices, and tumbling stock markets. As Gallup finds:

Three in four Americans assess the U.S. economy as no better than a year ago, with 35% saying it is about the same and 42% saying it is worse. Looking ahead to a year from now, Americans remain largely pessimistic, with 61% expecting economic conditions to be similar to now, or worse… Although the last U.S. recession officially ended in 2009, the poll finds 80% of Americans believing the economy is currently in a recession, similar to what Gallup measured in each of the previous three years.

Gallup’s polling in recent months has consistently demonstrated a pervasive gloom when it comes to voter perceptions of the US economy, and there is little confidence among the public that the administration’s big-government approach is going to succeed in creating jobs and getting the economy back on its feet. And the presidential race will undoubtedly be decided by the economy.

For the hope and change presidency the omens certainly don’t look good. Obama himself referred to his party's 2010 midterm defeat as a “shellacking.” 2012 however will probably be even worse for the White House, for this is a presidency in crisis, lacking leadership, wedded to the wrong policies, and presently heading for defeat in 2012. Barack Obama is facing the same fate as Jimmy Carter.
 


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100107980/us-elections-2012-why-barack-obama-appears-to-be-heading-for-a-heavy-defeat/


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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 12:05:37 PM »
What are you talking about. We're 13 months out and Obama is either statistcally tied or LOSING to the frontrunners of the GOP field. Romney's ahead 46-42; Perry trails by just 1. Factor in the undecideds, 80% of which go against the incumbent and Obama is in BIG TROUBLE.


As the economy worsens, Obama plummets. By this time next year, Obama could be on his way to getting beat down, Carter-style.


Romney = Obama Lite
Perry = empty suit
Cain - one hit wonder at the poll


who else you have?

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 12:15:38 PM »
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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 12:58:17 PM »
Romney = Obama Lite
Perry = empty suit
Cain - one hit wonder at the poll


who else you have?

Does it matter? There's only going to be one GOP nominee, when it's all said and done. And if it's any of these three (combined with the economy continuing to tank), OBAMA IS TOAST!!!

We're over a year out, and two of these three are either statiscally tied or ahead of Obama.

McCain was even weaker than these guys; yet he lead Obama in the polls in Sept. 2008. What did him in was the economy crashing, coupled with his erratic response to that and suspending his campaign.


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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 02:28:09 PM »
McCain was stronger than Perry.   Romney will never win because he is Obama Lite and a Mormon. 

Bottom line, until there becomes a candidate to enter (oops too late) and catch fire (the current ones haven't), the GOP won't be winning anything.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 02:45:10 PM »
This is becayse they know how hard it is for an incumbent to lose.  Look at the last 30 years.  Carter was a stone cold moron.  Bush1 only lost because perot stole 18% of voters, mainly fiscal conservatives.

Obama is going to be awfully hard to beat, kids.  But yall thought mccain would win in a landslide, so...
who thought mccain would win in a landslide you idiot?

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 02:53:04 PM »
Yeah I second that...alot of us here,  might have hoped McCain would win..but thought maybe Hil would get in. We all thought Obama would be a nightmare and guess fucking what.......
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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 02:54:16 PM »
Yeah I second that...alot of us here,  might have hoped McCain would win..but thought maybe Hil would get in. We all thought Obama would be a nightmare and guess fucking what.......
LMAO

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2011, 03:07:43 PM »
who thought mccain would win in a landslide you idiot?

when he chose palin, 33 said it was all over.  her experience power, intelligence, grace, etc.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 03:10:49 PM »
when he chose palin, 33 said it was all over.  her experience power, intelligence, grace, etc.
LOL so 3 = yall?

who are the other ppl that made that plural?

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 03:12:40 PM »
when he chose palin, 33 said it was all over.  her experience power, intelligence, grace, etc.

Can you bump my post where i said that?

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2011, 06:31:29 AM »
when he chose palin, 33 said it was all over.  her experience power, intelligence, grace, etc.

And it was all over.  But not the way they thought.  It was over for McCain as soon as she went on the Katie show and hit that landmine of an interview. 

(That all the conservatards whined and cried and claimed it was heavily edited to make her look stupid.  HAHAHAHAHA)

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2011, 06:33:46 AM »
And it was all over.  But not the way they thought.  It was over for McCain as soon as she went on the Katie show and hit that landmine of an interview. 

(That all the conservatards whined and cried and claimed it was heavily edited to make her look stupid.  HAHAHAHAHA)

Yeah, meltdown of the economy and mccains actions had zero to do with it.    ::)

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2011, 06:40:08 AM »
The only  meltdown was his campaign as Sarah sank it with her mouth.

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Re: Who will be the GOP messiah?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2011, 06:42:30 AM »
The only  meltdown was his campaign as Sarah sank it with her mouth.
maybe Sarah bowed out of the prez race because she hopes to get offered the VP job...2nd time's the charm..they say.
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