Phil Heath - will be 4X Mr. Olympia!

[DroppingPlates]

you like to stir the pot bitch.......have you found a wife yet or even a girlfriend?

Having an argumented opinion is like stirring the pot? Your reasoning is foolish.

[millineum man]

If I remember right, the line judge at the O kept stopping and telling phil to get back in line, and he didnt. Its a big deal because it tarnishes his legacy, it shows he wasnt confident enough in himself to win following the rules, that he wasnt good enough to win without stepping further out than the others (even though he was)

No one will care about the win, theyre just going to remember him having to 'cheat' to win.

Just like jones, everyone is going to remember him stabbing everyone in the eyes to blond them to win, regardless of how talented he was.

Every wonder why none of the other Mr Os get so much shit? Or why none of the other UFC champs get so much shit? There is a reason. Phil cant figure out why people give him so much shit yet im sure he thinks his little line stepping stunt was perfectly acceptable.  There is a reason none of the other competitor followed him out that far.

Because they have integrity. And thats the other champs will be remembered in a better light than phil.

That goes for anything, people dont like guys that overstep the boundaries to win. Is it right or wrong? Doesnt matter, thats life.

If he doesnt give a shit how hes remembered,  then by all means, do whatever it takes to win. But dont be suprised when people despise you, know what I mean?

Man, those other guys don't have any more integrity than the next guy. LOL! And no one will remember if he stepped in front of the other guys. Years from now all they're going to say is Phil Heath, 3x Mr Olympia winner. Just like they say Ronnie Coleman, 8x Mr Olympia winner or Jay Cutler, 4x Mr Olympia winner.

Ronnie got shit towards the end of his Olympia run when people thought they handed him the contest along with Jay Cutler. You can't please everybody. None of these guys lose sleep over their perceived legacy.

They win contests and get everything that comes with winning. At the end of the day, that's what it's all about.

[millineum man]

He will take the place of Wolf and Ruhl. Nothing more. Same was said about both. Just as Ruhl took the place of Dillett and Nasser. Ramy serves the role of mass monster.

They all had the tools, but couldn't win one Olympia.

[millineum man]

Someome will break the curse.

Ramy has all the toolsm

He is impressive, but we will see when he's standing next the other top 5 guys in the world.

[Shockwave]

Man, those other guys don't have any more integrity than the next guy. LOL! And no one will remember if he stepped in front of the other guys. Years from now all they're going to say is Phil Heath, 3x Mr Olympia winner. Just like they say Ronnie Coleman, 8x Mr Olympia winner or Jay Cutler, 4x Mr Olympia winner.

Ronnie got shit towards the end of his Olympia run when people thought they handed him the contest along with Jay Cutler. You can't please everybody. None of these guys lose sleep over their perceived legacy.

They win contests and get everything that comes with winning. At the end of the day, that's what it's all about.

Its different when the judges are making the calls, versus the competitor winning a foul. (He won anyway IMHO,  but the foul makes everyone question it)

look, if he hadnt done that, no one in this thread would be claiming he stole the victory from Kai.

 it will be remembered,  the same way all the baseball guys have asterisks next to their names and the same way lance armstrong is remembered. Your not paying attention to history if you think people forget that stuff.

Like I said, if all he cares about is winning, thats fine. But others arent doing that, no other olympian has needed to do that to win, and others arent getting treated like phil is all over the place. Theres a reason, and its his attitude and actions.

Those guys may be shittier people than phil, but on contest day they didnt feel the need to violate the rules and spirit of the competition to ensure a win he already had. Thats what people will remember. People always remember the guys that do fucked up shit to win.

Dorian and Ronnie got shit because judges handed them wins when they werent at their best. But no one shits on them for that, dorian especially is remembered for being a class act.

Phil is on track to be remembered as the cocky, insecure guy that had to stand 2 feet in front of the line to win.

Doesn't matter how many Os hell win, that will always come up, right or wrong.

[SF1900]

Wrong, there are fair 'O winners as well; Arnold, Samir, Lee, Dorian & Ronnie
P.s., stop those silly 'fuck you' PMs, grow up 

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Lol he is actually PMing you? He did the same to me lol. Totally melted down when I made fun of bodybuilders. Lol

[wild willie]

Having an argumented opinion is like stirring the pot? Your reasoning is foolish.

you know what they say about dick head 41 year olds that aren't married.......

[DroppingPlates]

you know what they say about dick head 41 year olds that aren't married.......

"you like to stir the pot bitch" 

[millineum man]

Its different when the judges are making the calls, versus the competitor winning a foul. (He won anyway IMHO,  but the foul makes everyone question it)

look, if he hadnt done that, no one in this thread would be claiming he stole the victory from Kai.

 it will be remembered,  the same way all the baseball guys have asterisks next to their names and the same way lance armstrong is remembered. Your not paying attention to history if you think people forget that stuff.

Like I said, if all he cares about is winning, thats fine. But others arent doing that, no other olympian has needed to do that to win, and others arent getting treated like phil is all over the place. Theres a reason, and its his attitude and actions.

Those guys may be shittier people than phil, but on contest day they didnt feel the need to violate the rules and spirit of the competition to ensure a win he already had. Thats what people will remember. People always remember the guys that do fucked up shit to win.

Dorian and Ronnie got shit because judges handed them wins when they werent at their best. But no one shits on them for that, dorian especially is remembered for being a class act.

Phil is on track to be remembered as the cocky, insecure guy that had to stand 2 feet in front of the line to win.

Doesn't matter how many Os hell win, that will always come up, right or wrong.

Dude, you're giving people too much credit. The average fan can't remember what happened 6 months ago. Let alone 5-10 years from now. I can guarantee the majority of people could care less about Phil Heath taking a few steps in front of another guy to
pose. At the end of the day all they want to know is if he won or not. No one mentions Michael Jordan's clear out of Byron Russell on his clutch jumper to win another championship in Utah. Just that he and the Bulls WON!!!

[SF1900]

Dude, you're giving people too much credit. The average fan can't remember what happened 6 months ago. Let alone 5-10 years from now. I can guarantee the majority of people could care less about Phil Heath taking a few steps in front of another guy to
pose. At the end of the day all they want to know is if he won or not. No one mentions Michael Jordan's clear out of Byron Russell on his clutch jumper to win another championship in Utah. Just that he and the Bulls WON!!!

Epic contradiction 

[OTHstrong]

Bro. Youre missing the point.

A woman who works with BBs everyday at the pro level, said that heath was the least impressive pronshes ever seen in person,  that you wouldnt even notice him if it wasn't pointed put.

Thats thw point,  no one was comparing him to the big show or anyone else.

Thats why he gets so much shit for being narrow, and disappearing in a line up unless hes 4 ft in front of everyone else.

She was just confirming what everyone on here always joked about, that hes narrow and doesnt look like a Mr. O.

Even onstage is debatable considering his penchant for standing way forward and how much less impressive he looks standing next to other pros.

he is unimpressive to people who do not know bodybuilding, as in the insertion point, the deep lines and the sheer conditioning from top to bottom, the difference in bone girth and small joints size to the peak of the muscle bellies, this is what Phil Heath excels at and that basically means he has the least amount of flaws and in fact the is the most impressive to those who know bodybuilding..

The most shredded of all bodybuilders has at least one part that is not shredded like Flex Wheeler who was peeled yet smooth glutes and hams. Phil has no smooth part, all muscle and proportions are peeled.

As for you guys who say he is small are out of your minds. I am 240 here with a huge coat on. Heath is big

[Shockwave]

he is unimpressive to people who do not know bodybuilding, as in the insertion point, the deep lines and the sheer conditioning from top to bottom, the difference in bone girth and small joints size to the peak of the muscle bellies, this is what Phil Heath excels at and that basically means he has the least amount of flaws and in fact the is the most impressive to those who know bodybuilding..

The most shredded of all bodybuilders has at least one part that is not shredded like Flex Wheeler who was peeled yet smooth glutes and hams. Phil has no smooth part, all muscle and proportions are peeled.

As for you guys who say he is small are out of your minds. I am 240 here with a huge coat on. Heath is big

Never debated any of that broseph, in fact if you read my other posts youll see that i actually agreed with you on most of that.

Her whole comment was saying how she would have never guessed he was Mr O by looking at him in his tshirt, that he was the least physically impressive pro shes ever seen in person, and that ONLY thing that gave it away was his forearms peeking out from under the shirt, that she wouldnt have guessed he was a pro let alone mr o from the way he looked in the gym, that the other pros shed knew/worked out with all looked so much wider/thicker in their clothes.

Mostly it was in agreement with the guys on here that joke about him not looking impressive compared to other guys. It struck me as funny that this figure girl, who doesnt ever go on forums, made the same comments and remarks about heath that everyone on here did.

As youve saif, that all changes when the clothes come off, but the point still stands that he looks amazing standing alone but a lot of the magic disappears when he stands next to other guys who are actually really wide/broad and the illusion of size is greatly diminished. He still has his killer muscle bellies and insertions and sick conditioning, but he doesnt look nearly as dominant as he does posing by himself.

I dont understand why so many people get so worked up when someome mentions how average heath appears when not onstage.... several guys on this forum have said the same thing when they met him.

mesomorph for one and wiggs as well I believe. Your pic shows hes not SMALL, but he doesnt appear massive either, like ronnie or dorian used to. Which is fine, doesnt matter?  but phil/people shouldnt get upset when they comment on that fact.

[OTHstrong]

Never debated any of that broseph, in fact if you read my other posts youll see that i actually agreed with you on most of that.

Her whole comment was saying how she would have never guessed he was Mr O by looking at him in his tshirt, that he was the least physically impressive pro shes ever seen in person, and that ONLY thing that gave it away was his forearms peeking out from under the shirt, that she wouldnt have guessed he was a pro let alone mr o from the way he looked in the gym, that the other pros shed knew/worked out with all looked so much wider/thicker in their clothes.

Mostly it was in agreement with the guys on here that joke about him not looking impressive compared to other guys. It struck me as funny that this figure girl, who doesnt ever go on forums, made the same comments and remarks about heath that everyone on here did.

As youve saif, that all changes when the clothes come off, but the point still stands that he looks amazing standing alone but a lot of the magic disappears when he stands next to other guys who are actually really wide/broad and the illusion of size is greatly diminished. He still has his killer muscle bellies and insertions and sick conditioning, but he doesnt look nearly as dominant as he does posing by himself.

I dont understand why so many people get so worked up when someome mentions how average heath appears when not onstage.... several guys on this forum have said the same thing when they met him.

mesomorph for one and wiggs as well I believe. Your pic shows hes not SMALL, but he doesnt appear massive either, like ronnie or dorian used to. Which is fine, doesnt matter?  but phil/people shouldnt get upset when they comment on that fact.

Fair enough ^^^ as long as you agree that he won the Olympia based on having the best physique by bodybuilding judging criteria 

[Shockwave]

Dude, you're giving people too much credit. The average fan can't remember what happened 6 months ago. Let alone 5-10 years from now. I can guarantee the majority of people could care less about Phil Heath taking a few steps in front of another guy to
pose. At the end of the day all they want to know is if he won or not. No one mentions Michael Jordan's clear out of Byron Russell on his clutch jumper to win another championship in Utah. Just that he and the Bulls WON!!!

Theres a reason no other mr o has done that, and saying that no one will remember so its cool is a pretty pathetic justification.
No other mr o has done that because want to win fairly, by being better than the competition.  Not by using cheap parlor tricks because hes scared hes not good enough.

Thats how a spoiled child acts, and its another reason why so many people want to see Phil lose.

This isnt pro sports like basketball, youre being judged on your body. Its not anywhere near the same as 2 guys jostling for position at the end of a game and one fouling the other while scoring the game winning point. Those comparisons are completely irrelevant

He deliberately violated the rules over and over, even while a judge told him to get his ass back in line. That was a conscious decision.  It doesnt get much more sad. Its a beauty pageant ffs, hes not on the court squaring off with aggressive physical players where the entire game is about pushing the envelope.

Hes standing in a line with a bunch of other dudes being judged on his body. And apparently he felt be had to stand closer to the judges to appear bigger to win. Says a lot about his lack of character and heart. He has no place being mentioned in the same breath as people like Jordan.. they want to WIN the games THEMSELVES, with their skill and heart.

He still would have won and thats whats so stupid. Why tarnish the win? Just win based on being better, dont try and fix the comp with stupid little tricks.

[Shockwave]

Fair enough ^^^ as long as you agree that he won the Olympia based on having the best physique by bodybuilding judging criteria 

Completely agree.

I understand exactly why he won , because hes clearly better according go the IFBB judging criteria. Kai has serious structural issues, spotty conditioning, and balance problems. Wolf also has balance issues and is incomplete. the rest dont matter.

[Ronnie Rep]

he is unimpressive to people who do not know bodybuilding, as in the insertion point, the deep lines and the sheer conditioning from top to bottom, the difference in bone girth and small joints size to the peak of the muscle bellies, this is what Phil Heath excels at and that basically means he has the least amount of flaws and in fact the is the most impressive to those who know bodybuilding..

The most shredded of all bodybuilders has at least one part that is not shredded like Flex Wheeler who was peeled yet smooth glutes and hams. Phil has no smooth part, all muscle and proportions are peeled.

As for you guys who say he is small are out of your minds. I am 240 here with a huge coat on. Heath is big

Agree with everything you say OTH. Bodybuilding is also about illusion. Small joints long muscle bellies which create the illusion of size. Flex had shredded glutes and hams at the 98 Arnold.

[millineum man]

Theres a reason no other mr o has done that, and saying that no one will remember so its cool is a pretty pathetic justification.
No other mr o has done that because want to win fairly, by being better than the competition.  Not by using cheap parlor tricks because hes scared hes not good enough.

Thats how a spoiled child acts, and its another reason why so many people want to see Phil lose.

This isnt pro sports like basketball, youre being judged on your body. Its not anywhere near the same as 2 guys jostling for position at the end of a game and one fouling the other while scoring the game winning point. Those comparisons are completely irrelevant

He deliberately violated the rules over and over, even while a judge told him to get his ass back in line. That was a conscious decision.  It doesnt get much more sad. Its a beauty pageant ffs, hes not on the court squaring off with aggressive physical players where the entire game is about pushing the envelope.

Hes standing in a line with a bunch of other dudes being judged on his body. And apparently he felt be had to stand closer to the judges to appear bigger to win. Says a lot about his lack of character and heart. He has no place being mentioned in the same breath as people like Jordan.. they want to WIN the games THEMSELVES, with their skill and heart.

He still would have won and thats whats so stupid. Why tarnish the win? Just win based on being better, dont try and fix the comp with stupid little tricks.

This is all YOUR opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I mentioned Jordan's push off because it "alledgedly" violated the rules and should have been called an offensive foul, but wasn't. What happened? Jordan and the Bulls won.

Phil shouldn't be mentioned with in the same breath as Jordan?? Are you serious??!! He was/is THE biggest jerk in pro sports history! That wonderful trash talking, gambling, serial philanderer, and WELL documented asshole? I guess you're right. Phil shouldn't be mentioned with that kind of guy.

Phil "alledgedly" took a few steps in front of the other guys. Was he penalized? NOPE! He won. Tarnished? I guess in YOUR opinion it was. You can't really judge character or heart when you He STILL was the best and most complete that day and in the end. That's all that matters. Hate it or love it. He's still 3x Mr Olympia....

[Simple Simon]

he is unimpressive to people who do not know bodybuilding, as in the insertion point, the deep lines and the sheer conditioning from top to bottom, the difference in bone girth and small joints size to the peak of the muscle bellies, this is what Phil Heath excels at and that basically means he has the least amount of flaws and in fact the is the most impressive to those who know bodybuilding..

The most shredded of all bodybuilders has at least one part that is not shredded like Flex Wheeler who was peeled yet smooth glutes and hams. Phil has no smooth part, all muscle and proportions are peeled.

As for you guys who say he is small are out of your minds. I am 240 here with a huge coat on. Heath is big

He wasnt when I saw him, I stood a few feet away from him and he was small.

[Shockwave]

Lol @ allegedly. Yes, pics and vids exist of him well in front of everyone and the judge telling hin to get back in line, but he 'didnt really do it'.

And also lol @ comparing a push off in a physical sport to purposefully putting yourself in front of the others where perspective is everything.

again, theres a reason no other mr o has done it, and theres a reason the others didnt follow him. Its complete bullshit and they knew it. Kai tried because he didnt want to get completely fucked over but he listened when the judges called them out, phil didnt.

Youre just making excuses for shitty behavior at this point. If id have done that, id feel like absolute shit knowing I won by pulling a bullshit move when told not to. That shows hus character, as does his constant bitching about the haterz and need for acceptance.

he acts like a spoiled brat.

[WalterWhite]

Is anyone even interested in the Olympia this year?  Same cast of characters and you can nearly predict the outcome.

212 is more interesting than the open.

[Nails]

[OTHstrong]

He wasnt when I saw him, I stood a few feet away from him and he was small.

If he was small when you saw him then you are SUPER TINY because he is way way bigger then you 

Funny how someone can call someone ''small'' when they have been lifting for 35 years and juicing for decades and bodybuilding for decades and that ''said person'' they call small are way bigger.

Makes me scratch my head 

[OTHstrong]

Is anyone even interested in the Olympia this year?  Same cast of characters and you can nearly predict the outcome.

212 is more interesting than the open.

There is some interesting possibilities this year

1. Wolfe may defeat Kai to come in second

2. Ramy will jump a few placing, question is how much?

3. Branch might fall out of the top 10 

[OTHstrong]

Lol @ allegedly. Yes, pics and vids exist of him well in front of everyone and the judge telling hin to get back in line, but he 'didnt really do it'.

And also lol @ comparing a push off in a physical sport to purposefully putting yourself in front of the others where perspective is everything.

again, theres a reason no other mr o has done it, and theres a reason the others didnt follow him. Its complete bullshit and they knew it. Kai tried because he didnt want to get completely fucked over but he listened when the judges called them out, phil didnt.

Youre just making excuses for shitty behavior at this point. If id have done that, id feel like absolute shit knowing I won by pulling a bullshit move when told not to. That shows hus character, as does his constant bitching about the haterz and need for acceptance.

he acts like a spoiled brat.

Bro the judges are 50 feet away or even more. Do you really think someone who is 49 feet away is going to look different from someone 50 feet away. I think you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

[Shockwave]

Bro the judges are 50 feet away or even more. Do you really think someone who is 49 feet away is going to look different from someone 50 feet away. I think you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Its the principle bro, and the fact that he didnt NEED to do it to win. To me it shows an extreme lack of character and integrity, especially when he was told several times to get the eff back in line.

Dorian and ronnie never felt they needed to blatantly defy the judges to win, did they?