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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
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Automatic weapons are very hard to obtain. You either have to be rich or politically connected or both. The fully auto weapons available on the market are all from the vietnam era and before. I challenge you to try and legally buy an automatic weapon. You'll find it to be cost prohibitive and very hard to get the signatures required for ownership. What you see in gun stores are semi-automatic weapons. The assault rifles look mean but it's just a look. They have been made to function the same way a non-bolt action hunting rifle does.
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Automatic weapons are very hard to obtain
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Automatic weapons are very hard to obtain. You either have to be rich or politically connected or both. The fully auto weapons available on the market are all from the vietnam era and before. I challenge you to try and legally buy an automatic weapon. You'll find it to be cost prohibitive and very hard to get the signatures required for ownership. What you see in gun stores are semi-automatic weapons. The assault rifles look mean but it's just a look. They have been made to function the same way a non-bolt action hunting rifle does.
My 12yo neighbor recently built an automatic weapon using a diagram she found on the internet. Her buddy - also 12 or 13 - spent much of the summer experimenting with homemade explosives.
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My 12yo neighbor recently built an automatic weapon using a diagram he found on the internet. Her buddy - also 12 or 13 - spent much of the summer experimenting with homemade explosives.
they dont have parents?
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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
Idiot. You think banning guns is going to work? Lol.
Scoped in bolt action .308 can be just as deadly.
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Idiot. You think banning guns is going to work? Lol.
Scoped in bolt action .308 can be just as deadly.
How fast can you shoot with a .308?
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if that retard would have had some training and a pump shotgun the body count would have been double.
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How fast can you shoot with a .308?
Wouldn't matter. Revolver w a few speed loaders would have killed just as many.
Shotgun w buck shot would have done worse.
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How fast can you shoot with a .308?
You can shoot a semi-auto .308 pretty fast.
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I agree with BMC. what I do not understand(i am pro-guns btw) is why people need guns like this? theres a deeper reason why some people have guns, some people hunt-ok, self-defense-ok but then theirs others with a strange obsession with guns do you really need an Ak-47?
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How fast can you shoot with a .308?
Oswald had no problem, neither did the Kent State guy. And you can buy an automatic in Virginia. They are expensive as hell, but you can buy them at any gun show. I agree, you don't really need one, but the minute you start putting any restriction on guns, the floodgates open and it's only a matter of time before they are all made illegal.
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What do u need HGh for?? Ban it
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I agree with BMC. what I do not understand(i am pro-guns btw) is why people need guns like this? theres a deeper reason why some people have guns, some people hunt-ok, self-defense-ok but then theirs others with a strange obsession with guns do you really need an Ak-47?
Not like you can just buy something like that. You have to get a permit and a special license, and on top of that, it costs and arm and a leg.
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Not like you can just buy something like that. You have to get a permit and a special license, and on top of that, it costs and arm and a leg.
yea guess you got a point.
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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
The Second Amendment wasn't written with "Personal use", Self Defense from common criminals, or Hunting in mind.
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How fast can you shoot with a .308?
Ask Lee Harvey Oswald that question.
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Wouldn't matter. Revolver w a few speed loaders would have killed just as many.
Shotgun w buck shot would have done worse.
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More about your grandpa sir!
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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
Who needs 20 inch arms, really?
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70+mph cars...... Ban them???
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Double Cheese Burgers..... Ban them??
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70+mph cars...... Ban them???
Honestly I think that one will come eventually. Im sure at some point car's will be limited to the posted limits.
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cheesburgers dont produce bullets
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Anything with more alcohol then light beer.... Ban them???
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cheesburgers dont produce bullets
Shove enough down someones throat to cover their airways and you have a deadly weapon. Best to ban them or at least make 0.5 ounce patty mandatory and only one bun, no sesame seeds.
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cheesburgers dont produce bullets
Isn't heart disease still te number one killer in America Tito?
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Isn't heart disease still te number one killer in America Tito?
That would be obesity I believe. So you need to ban sugar, fatty foods, any size over small, and you would need to criminalize eating more calories then they need too.
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Isn't heart disease still te number one killer in America Tito?
Actually medical errors/misdiagnosis and doctors are the leading cause of death in America. Better ban doctors.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis
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So you ban them now. What about the 50 million or so already in the hands of gangbangers and "hunters"?
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Actually medical errors/misdiagnosis and doctors are the leading cause of death in America. Better ban doctors.
For someone who claims to be intelligent, your logic is quite flawed.
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How many mass murders have been carried out using something other than firearms as of late?
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For someone who claims to be intelligent, your logic is quite flawed.
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Iatrogenesis is a major phenomenon, and a severe risk to patients. A study carried out in 1981 more than one-third of illnesses of patients in a university hospital were iatrogenic, nearly one in ten was considered major, and, in 2% of the patients, the iatrogenic disorder ended in death. Complications were most strongly associated with exposure to drugs and medications.[16] In another study, the main factors leading to problems were inadequate patient evaluation, lack of monitoring and follow-up, and failure to perform necessary tests.[citation needed]
In the United States, figures suggest estimated deaths per year of: [17][18] [19][20]
12,000 due to unnecessary surgery
7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals
20,000 due to other errors in hospitals
80,000 due to nosocomial infections in hospitals
106,000 due to non-error, negative effects of drugs
Based on these figures, iatrogenesis may cause 225,000 deaths per year in the United States (excluding recognizable error).[17]
These estimates are lower than those in an earlier IOM report, which would suggest from 230,000 to 284,000 iatrogenic deaths.[17]
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How many mass murders have been carried out using something other than firearms as of late?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29
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Anders Behring Breivik knows a thing or two on the efficiency of gun control.
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Who cares. You can't vailidate it because of other issues. But you can try knocking down this tree one branch at a time.
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Who cares. You can't vailidate it because of other issues. But you can try knocking down this tree one branch at a time.
If cocaine is banned in the U.S....why is it that Mexian drug cartels have so much money and power?
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If cocaine is banned in the U.S....why is it that Mexian drug cartels have so much money and power?
Yes because I see 6 and 7 year olds snorting lines of coke daily ::)
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Yes because I see 6 and 7 year olds snorting lines of coke daily ::)
More 6 and 7 year olds do drugs than shoot up their school, no question.
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could be that this little dipshit wouldn't have done with a revolver. But with a fucking AK-47 (or like model), he's suddenly superman.....
get rid of semi's.
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could be that this little dipshit wouldn't have done with a revolver. But with a fucking AK-47 (or like model), he's suddenly superman.....
get rid of semi's.
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Most Pistols are all Semi-Autos.
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Most Pistols are all Semi-Autos.
So what do you suggest....cheaper funerals and coffins?
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I am not sure we know exactly what the founders had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment. They MAY WELL well have had hunting and defense against common criminals in mind. This seems quite likely given the patterns of life of those times. They certainly had the common man's defense against tyranny in mind. I grant that we need some legislation to control assault type weapons, which would not appear to be necessary for any of these purposes. But to think that we will solve the violence problem in our culture with gun legislation is kind of ridiculous. In the twenties we had legislation on the books to solve our "alchohol problem". That didn't do much good. Now we have legislation to solve the problem of excessive drug use. Would anybody argue that we have curbed drug use to our satisfaction through this legislation? Unfortunately the same would go for gun legislation. The worst gun violence is in places where a bias toward "gun control" is strongest (e.g., Chicago). Don't get me wrong - there is gun legislation I support (as long as Second Amendment is kept in mind) but this certainly will not be a cure-all. The issues run much deeper.
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Clearly, technology on guns have exceeded the ability of the sickest in our society to deal with them.
Semi's need to be banned.
If you got another solution, fine. I'll listen.
But either lead, follow or get out of the fucking way.
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for the sake of argument lets look at few of the last mass homicides,
columbine, committed by kids
virginia tech, committed by older kid
aurora, committed by older kid
newtown, committed by older kid
you will never be able to defend against the lone nut out there but something has broken down in modern society that pertains directly to the raising of children.
firearms are only the end result of something failing at much deeper level.
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Clearly, technology on guns have exceeded the ability of the sickest in our society to deal with them.
Semi's need to be banned.
If you got another solution, fine. I'll listen.
But either lead, follow or get out of the fucking way.
Shut up homo.
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for the sake of argument lets look at few of the last mass homicides,
columbine, committed by kids
virginia tech, committed by older kid
aurora, committed by older kid
newtown, committed by older kid
you will never be able to defend against the lone nut out there but something has broken down in modern society that pertains directly to the raising of children.
firearms are only the end result of something failing at much deeper level.
Sure you can, a fully armed populace carrying at all times. Manners tend to be better when someone has to back up their actions with their life. If a kid started opening fire on a room full of 5 people who were armed, at least one of them would get a few shots off to thwart further loss of life. It's not as easy to take out 20 people when bullets are being fired back at you.
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A good start would be to ban blacks. Gun violence would go down 10 fold.
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Sure you can, a fully armed populace carrying at all times. Manners tend to be better when someone has to back up their actions with their life. If a kid started opening fire on a room full of 5 people who were armed, at least one of them would get a few shots off to thwart further loss of life. It's not as easy to take out 20 people when bullets are being fired back at you.
I have no problem with ccw, I ccw. Its a shame that a teacher would have to walk around locked and loaded though.
My opinion is that kids need to be taught real world lessons, this new age of coddling children has fucked a lot of them up.
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I bet the JEWS loved not having Weapons during the 1930'- 40's
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I bet the JEWS loved not having Weapons during the 1930'- 40's
Exactly.
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anyone who calls for a ban on firearms or assault weapons is a sack of crap, americans have the right to bear arms to allow us to rise up against tyrannical government, go live in another country, people of usa will not give up their guns and if obama pulls executive order to take guns its gonna be all out civil war
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/101731/shrunken-majority-now-favors-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
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Percentage Favoring "More Strict" Laws Governing Sale of Firearms
Nonwhites
74%
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Blacks sure like to pretend to be Anti-Gun despite being the number one user of them in homicides. :D
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Perhaps as they are also probably more likely to be the victims of gun crime, in general they see stricter gun laws as being beneficial.
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Perhaps as they are also probably more likely to be the victims of gun crime, in general they see stricter gun laws as being beneficial.
There is no evidence of them seeing viewing gun laws as being beneficial. See Chicago. They don`t care about following Gun Laws they claim to support. Hope this helps.
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black people steal their guns , so they dont care about gun control
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they cant do drive bye shootings without packing an ak
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A ban on firearms only disarms law abiding citizens and leaves them unable to defend themselves, while the criminals who don't give a fuck about laws obtain guns anyway.
Making the situation even worse.
It's better to ban indoctrination centers Schools, where 100's of children are forced to gather, with little to no security.
How about some security, smaller schools and more homeschooling.
It's deceptive to those kids, that does not understand the risks. How come in a nation with so much violence and illegally obtained guns they don't care to have protection at schools?
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Black people wake up - the mexican wolves are on the prey.
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Blacks sure like to pretend to be Anti-Gun despite being the number one user of them in homicides. :D
you are applying simple thoughts to complex social issues.
why are birth rates and crime higher in poorer communities.
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you are applying simple thoughts to complex social issues.
why are birth rates and crime higher in poorer communities.
Lack of Intelligence.
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Just Ban Blacks, or move them all to Texas with the autistic
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the Weapons Adam used were bought by her mother to protect herself from Black people , but were in the end used to killer her , her son, and innocent white children
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A ban on firearms only disarms law abiding citizens and leaves them unable to defend themselves, while the criminals who don't give a fuck about laws obtain guns anyway.
Making the situation even worse.
It's better to ban indoctrination centers Schools, where 100's of children are forced to gather, with little to no security.
How about some security, smaller schools and more homeschooling.
It's deceptive to those kids, that does not understand the risks. How come in a nation with so much violence and illegally obtained guns they don't care to have protection at schools?
because that's a knee jerk reaction and then the next psychopath who's brain short circuits will just go to a mall or grocery store. it would require martial law to effectively keep people safe, and that's not happening.
It's a complex issue and i actually see both sides of the argument, we have a right to bear arms in this country, and i'm behind it..but at the same time I think it's too easy for any jerkoff to get his hands on a semiauto assault rifle with a 60mag clip that can be modified to full auto if you have the skills or know someone.
Here's a fact...that kid murdered those children with legal registered weapons. Now if his mom didn't buy them, because they were illegal, where is a 20 year old geek from a rich, lily white neighborhood going to buy an illegal assault rifle? I doubt he has an illegal arms dealer in his contacts.
And a criminal who sells guns probably would do a better screening job than the gov't..." fuck off ya little cracker, i ain't selling you no gun so you can go shoot up a school full of kids."
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Because the nigs know with all the legit gun owners forced to give up their handguns it will be far safer and easier for them to mug white folk with their illegaly aquired handguns
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screw this no guns bs
we need to have arme private security near any large kids grouping
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My grandpa was all for gunz!
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screw this no guns bs
we need to have arme private security near any large kids grouping
no what we need to have is a fully trained badass in body armor...not some average cop who's busy trying to fuck the social studies teacher
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/101731/shrunken-majority-now-favors-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
How do we stop white kids from shooting up schools?
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yep
lack of guna caused theproblem
citizens should know howto control and own a gun
howto clean it
keep it in house
and respect it
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True!
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/101731/shrunken-majority-now-favors-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
This is true, Twitter is ablaze with black folks whining about guns, children, etc...... It would be interesting for someone to add up all the white mass shootings for the last 10 - 15 years, I'd be shocked if the victim totals are more than the totals for black on black violence in the last couple years in just Chicago.
They need to fix whatever's broken in their own house, it's not the guns.
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i believe that if more people carried guns then the bad guys would get shot before they kill as many as they do. atleast the bad guys would have to run and take cover themselves.
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This is true, Twitter is ablaze with black folks whining about guns, children, etc...... It would be interesting for someone to add up all the white mass shootings for the last 10 - 15 years, I'd be shocked if the victim totals are more than the totals for black on black violence in the last couple years in just Chicago.
They need to fix whatever's broken in their own house, it's not the guns.
Exactly.
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There is no evidence of them seeing viewing gun laws as being beneficial. See Chicago. They don`t care about following Gun Laws they claim to support. Hope this helps.
It doesn't help. Your interpretation is completely ignorant. It makes absolutely no sense.
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because that's a knee jerk reaction and then the next psychopath who's brain short circuits will just go to a mall or grocery store. it would require martial law to effectively keep people safe, and that's not happening.
It's a complex issue and i actually see both sides of the argument, we have a right to bear arms in this country, and i'm behind it..but at the same time I think it's too easy for any jerkoff to get his hands on a semiauto assault rifle with a 60mag clip that can be modified to full auto if you have the skills or know someone.
Here's a fact...that kid murdered those children with legal registered weapons. Now if his mom didn't buy them, because they were illegal, where is a 20 year old geek from a rich, lily white neighborhood going to buy an illegal assault rifle? I doubt he has an illegal arms dealer in his contacts.
And a criminal who sells guns probably would do a better screening job than the gov't..." fuck off ya little cracker, i ain't selling you no gun so you can go shoot up a school full of kids."
He would have just murdered those kids with whatever weapon happened to be legal.
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i believe that if more people carried guns then the bad guys would get shot before they kill as many as they do. atleast the bad guys would have to run and take cover themselves.
oh beyond a doubt
and any crowd at school concert sport game have gun handling security
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because that's a knee jerk reaction and then the next psychopath who's brain short circuits will just go to a mall or grocery store. it would require martial law to effectively keep people safe, and that's not happening.
It's a complex issue and i actually see both sides of the argument, we have a right to bear arms in this country, and i'm behind it..but at the same time I think it's too easy for any jerkoff to get his hands on a semiauto assault rifle with a 60mag clip that can be modified to full auto if you have the skills or know someone.
Here's a fact...that kid murdered those children with legal registered weapons. Now if his mom didn't buy them, because they were illegal, where is a 20 year old geek from a rich, lily white neighborhood going to buy an illegal assault rifle? I doubt he has an illegal arms dealer in his contacts.
And a criminal who sells guns probably would do a better screening job than the gov't..." fuck off ya little cracker, i ain't selling you no gun so you can go shoot up a school full of kids."
Both this guy and the killer in Colorado were more than capable of making a bomb that would have tripled the number of people they killed. The issue at stake here is mental illness, not gun control.
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It doesn't help. Your interpretation is completely ignorant. It makes absolutely no sense.
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I'm sorry if what I said was confusing. I will try to make it clearer: your interpretation and reasoning were both dumb. Better?
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Black people kill black people. We dont go to malls, schools or churches. We kill each other
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A ban on firearms only disarms law abiding citizens and leaves them unable to defend themselves, while the criminals who don't give a fuck about laws obtain guns anyway.
Making the situation even worse.
I keep hearing this argument, but why is this not the case in the rest of the industrialised world? we are not over run by criminals with guns...
I believe the reason you have so many criminals with guns is a direct knock on effect of you having so many in legal circulation. How many of the guns in the hands of criminals do you reckon were once legally owned guns in the US?
If you outlawed guns and set a very high mandatory tariff for simple gun possession(10-15yrs) I would bet the amount of illegal guns in circulation would also reduce dramatically.
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Black people kill black people. We dont go to malls, schools or churches. We kill each other
Yes you do but thats true for most races. However, blacks committ violent crimes outside their owm race to a much greater degree than any other group.
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Black people kill black people. We dont go to malls, schools or churches. We kill each other
I'm staying at home. White people scare the shit out of me.
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Grandpa was at the County Fair as he was showing his prized Rooster from that year, a Frizzled Polish. Well he knew how valuable that Rooster was as it was responsible for at least 336 eggs that year and this was even after a special pen was built to keep him away from the hens. Grandpa was hesitant to show the Frizzled Polish that year because he had heard Elmer, from two Counties over, his farming rival, was pretty adamant about winning this years Golden Cluck Cluck. Grandpa hatched a plan.
Grandpa was no stranger to giving out orders, having been in Guadalcanal, and paid me five cents to stand guard over the Frizzled Polish in its cage and covered in a red blanket that the goat used to sleep on in the wintertime. Also under that blanket, was Grandpa, sitting inside with the Frizzled Polish.
You see, the plan was to fool Elmer into thinking Grandpa wasn`t showing this year and that would cause Elmer not to bring his Rooster. So Elmer shows up to survey the competition and breathes a sigh of relief because he doesn`t see Grandpa or any sign of the Frizzled Polish. He just sees me standing beside the old goat`s blanket and didn`t even think twice about what was under it. Elmer had a fat neck like a hog and you could see the sweat lines under it along with the parts that didn`t get any sun because the fat prevented any from penetrating. This gave him an unclean and evil appearance.
Anyways, Elmer got in his Ford Truck, that he bought with the money he saved up after his wife died, and decided not to return, because he knew his rival was nowhere to be found. So then, I tapped on the cage and gave Grandpa the "All Clear" sign which was one finger extended on one hand going into the other hand which was made into a circle. In and out, in and out, in and out.
Out Jumps Grandpa with his Frizzled Polish, covered in bird seed and hay with an unlit cigarette in his mouth.
Grandpa went on to win the Golden Cluck Cluck and when Elmer heard about it, he shot himself in the dairy barn, where his wife did the same the year before.
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so we can have soem gun totaing private security to shoot fuckers who shoot kids
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If the kids get shot first by the government then the criminals have nothing to work with - guess think tanks will agree with this subtle tactic.
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Both this guy and the killer in Colorado were more than capable of making a bomb that would have tripled the number of people they killed. The issue at stake here is mental illness, not gun control.
Eh, i don't buy that. these mental freaks play ultra realistic first person shooters all day long, and then snap and do it for real. it's the Meme if you will, to be walking around in full combat gear, armed to the teeth killing at will. they ALL follow that M.O..
i don't think these asswipes would get the same rush from a bomb.
if they wanted to blow up bombs, they would be doing it already. like you said it's not that hard to make a bomb. but there aren't fifty million video games depicting people making home made bombs, and that's where these sickos get their inspiration
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/101731/shrunken-majority-now-favors-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
5-10% of the black community underbelly commits a lot of drug related crimes. within the black community those crimes are getback/payback/off-the-books, so they don't get up in arms over them. that's a completely different game than white boys trashing high schools and elementary schools. a black man's girl fucks him over, so he may mess with her a couple of months until the cops take over. the same thing happens with a white boy, but he goes into a walmart parking lot, and mows down a dozen people. the media is the catch-22 when it comes to black murders. i can live with two dealers beefing. can you live with your white brothers going postal on elementary school grounds or high classrooms ala Columbine?
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5-10% of the black community underbelly commits a lot of drug related crimes. within the black community those crimes are getback/payback/off-the-books, so they don't get up in arms over them. that's a completely different game than white boys trashing high schools and elementary schools. a black man's girl fucks him over, so he may mess with her a couple of months until the cops take over. the same thing happens with a white boy, but he goes into a walmart parking lot, and mows down a dozen people. the media is the catch-22 when it comes to black murders. i can live with two dealers beefing. can you live with your white brothers going postal on elementary school grounds or high classrooms ala Columbine?
Mass shootings are rare.
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So then, I tapped on the cage and gave Grandpa the "All Clear" sign which was one finger extended on one hand going into the other hand which was made into a circle. In and out, in and out, in and out.
LOL!!!
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If I was black id murder you
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Eh, i don't buy that. these mental freaks play ultra realistic first person shooters all day long, and then snap and do it for real. it's the Meme if you will, to be walking around in full combat gear, armed to the teeth killing at will. they ALL follow that M.O..
i don't think these asswipes would get the same rush from a bomb.
if they wanted to blow up bombs, they would be doing it already. like you said it's not that hard to make a bomb. but there aren't fifty million video games depicting people making home made bombs, and that's where these sickos get their inspiration
You don`t play any video games?
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I just don't trust that many cops. Seriously. Some of these cops are trigger happy mutherfuckers.
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Part of the fun of being alive is never knowing when you are going to die.
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I support gun control, and private secuirty at schools
You're an idiot.
That is all.
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deficit omne quod nasciture
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Eh, i don't buy that. these mental freaks play ultra realistic first person shooters all day long, and then snap and do it for real. it's the Meme if you will, to be walking around in full combat gear, armed to the teeth killing at will. they ALL follow that M.O..
i don't think these asswipes would get the same rush from a bomb.
if they wanted to blow up bombs, they would be doing it already. like you said it's not that hard to make a bomb. but there aren't fifty million video games depicting people making home made bombs, and that's where these sickos get their inspiration
Even banning "assault weapons" won't do much to reduce murder statistics. Most murders are committed using common handguns.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20
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every school should have a team of armed Xe contractors on the property lol
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I just don't trust that many cops. Seriously. Some of these cops are trigger happy mutherfuckers.
thats why they are trained to put 3 in your heart and not in your legs or shoulders
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thats why they are trained to put 3 in your heart and not in your legs or shoulders
To be fair, if you're going to fire at someone you're shooting to kill. Disabling shots are extremely hard to pull off and unreliable at best.
Oh, and usually it's 2 in the chest and one in the head or groin.
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To be fair, if you're going to fire at someone you're shooting to kill. Disabling shots are extremely hard to pull off and unreliable at best.
Oh, and usually it's 2 in the chest and one in the head or groin.
the groin so they can not breed anymore just incase they survive ;D
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To be fair, if you're going to fire at someone you're shooting to kill. Disabling shots are extremely hard to pull off and unreliable at best.
Oh, and usually it's 2 in the chest and one in the head or groin.
Must disagree.
Few cases here where police have been forced to fire at the target.
I can't recall any of targets being shot deadly. Leg shots mostly.
So I believe that with enough high quality training professional police officers can stop the target without killing him.
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Must disagree.
Few cases here where police have been forced to fire at the target.
I can't recall any of targets being shot deadly. Leg shots mostly.
So I believe that with enough high quality training professional police officers can stop the target without killing him.
Hmm, interesting. I know how hard it is to hit a moving target with a handgun at any range over a few yards, let alone trying to hit him in an area that wouldn't be lethal yet still be incapacitating.
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Part of the fun of being alive is never knowing when you are going to die.
well that sure is one way to look at it :)
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in TX guy went around with gun and got killed before he kiled more
if only private security had guns in the 30 person massacre woulda saved 29 or mroe lives
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well that sure is one way to look at it :)
Always the optimist I am, my friend.
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in TX guy went around with gun and got killed before he kiled more
if only private security had guns in the 30 person massacre woulda saved 29 or mroe lives
PLEASE STOP YOUR MORONIC THREADS
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That thing is fucking serious business.
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hahah Dick Metcalf
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You don`t play any video games?
What I find truly amazing (or amusing?) is that the Big Three, ABC, CBS and NBC, all air plenty of violent shows in "primetime" yet, when you ask the likes of Marlboro-huffing Savannah Gutherie or ivory tower midget Bobby Costas, they're only too quick to point the finger at HBO or a fucking videogame ::)
Do they even WATCH the shit their networks air? I've seen some pretty disturbing shit on one of those Law and Order shows or its spin-offs, like a whole room of people, including young girls, tied up and gagged who were murdered by some nut sealing plastic bags over their heads. THAT creeped me the fuck out ...
Yet, yeah ... videogames are the big boogeyman ::) Nevermind the tens of millions who play the same games and don't go fucking nuts.
There will always be bad apples. No amount of legislation will change that, be it a chickenshit "assault weapons" ban or a tighter noose on buying ammo. Psych evaluations on potential gun owners will never pass, either. Think about the litigation that will follow ... it would make Bill Clinton's bullshitting about the "meaning of 'is'" look tame by comparison.
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What I find truly amazing (or amusing?) is that the Big Three, ABC, CBS and NBC, all air plenty of violent shows in "primetime" yet, when you ask the likes of Marlboro-huffing Savannah Gutherie or ivory tower midget Bobby Costas, they're only too quick to point the finger at HBO or a fucking videogame ::)
Do they even WATCH the shit their networks air? I've seen some pretty disturbing shit on one of those Law and Order shows or its spin-offs, like a whole room of people, including young girls, tied up and gagged who were murdered by some nut sealing plastic bags over their heads. THAT creeped me the fuck out ...
Yet, yeah ... videogames are the big boogeyman ::) Nevermind the tens of millions who play the same games and don't go fucking nuts.
There will always be bad apples. No amount of legislation will change that, be it a chickenshit "assault weapons" ban or a tighter noose on buying ammo. Psych evaluations on potential gun owners will never pass, either. Think about the litigation that will follow ... it would make Bill Clinton's bullshitting about the "meaning of 'is'" look tame by comparison.
People want easy answer and easier solutions. It's the old devil made me do it argument.
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PLEASE STOP YOUR MORONIC THREADS
fuck you moron!!!!!
private school security woulda saved 30 lvies if armed!!!
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i thought many times of killing some of my classmates when i was in school i didnt like it at all and im a pretty level headed guy but i knew i wouldnt be able to obtain fine ass hoes if i went to jail
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Blacks sure like to pretend to be Anti-Gun despite being the number one user of them in homicides. :D
They've been through alot Adam. Look at it through the eyes crusted over eyes of an "urban" male after knocking down two 40's.
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there are people like me who were just too good for school
too proper acting and too nice to everyone and really hated sitting so much because our testosterone was too high
yet would feel like shit when little jamal would miss half the school year and always late for class get promoted to the next grade like nothing
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there are people like me who were just too good for school
too proper acting and too nice to everyone and really hated sitting so much because our testosterone was too high
yet would feel like shit when little jamal would miss half the school year and always late for class get promoted to the next grade like nothing
Don't worry about little Jamal and quit being such a bitch. It is call life. You should take a sense of pride in something that you worked hard for and earned. Little Jamal has a whole host of problems of his own that will develop from being a frakk up. Quit competing to see who can take the double dildo the deepest because in the end you are only frakking yourself.
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Even banning "assault weapons" won't do much to reduce murder statistics. Most murders are committed using common handguns.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20
we aren't talking about "most murders" we are talking about headcases that go on killing sprees.
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I am trying to find getbig gossip and opinions board where we gossip about bodybuilding but instead I only found the gun board where all the topics are about guns can somebody help me find the bodybuilding board.
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in TX guy went around with gun and got killed before he kiled more
if only private security had guns in the 30 person massacre woulda saved 29 or mroe lives
Or if there was a stringent criteria to get guns he perhaps would have never accomplished what he did. What is with americans and guns?
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And in China where they have gun control, the crazies use knives.
If a lunatic drove his car into a crowd of people and other copycats followed suit, there'd be a push for more stringent car control.
Any human knows right from wrong, even the mentally challenged. Fuck these kneejerk reactions. I support gun ownership even though I choose personally not to have one.
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Grandpa always kept a compass on him at all times, being a war veteran in Guadalcanal, the habit just kind of carried over.
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ROFLMAO
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we aren't talking about "most murders" we are talking about headcases that go on killing sprees.
It's actually split pretty evenly between semi-auto rifles(Mis-nomer assualt weapons) and handguns in mass murders.
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fuck you moron!!!!!
private school security woulda saved 30 lvies if armed!!!
Gun control or not if a person wants a gun they will get one,if they kill 30 people a gun charge is not an issue for them.
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Grandpa always kept a compass on him at all times, being a war veteran in Guadalcanal, the habit just kind of carried over.
Why did grandpa sexually abuse you.
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we aren't talking about "most murders" we are talking about headcases that go on killing sprees.
No.
We were talking about a ban on firearms, specifically the support in the black community. You segued into semi-auto assault weapons and where would a kid get an assault rifle in a lily white neighborhood.
As the table shows, you can murder people just as efficiently with a handgun(s). Regardless of the mental state of the killer. Sure, the assault rifle makes for more sensationalized headlines on the news, but the Lanza killing spree could have had the same outcome using the handguns and magazines.
As was said earlier, the underlying issue in the CT tragedy was mental illness. Enacting new gun laws will not stop a mentally unstable person from finding a way to kill en masse.
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Agreed. The gun talk is tiresome.
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No, I do not support gun control. A gun is a tool. The real problem is some people that are either
A. Mentally ill
B. Just plain evil
We have banned a lot of things in this country like weed and cocaine and it has done fuck all to prevent people from owning and using it. There are already some pretty strict laws on the books banning murder. Someone who is willing to disobey those laws isn't likely to repect a gun ban. All it does is make law abiding citizens sitting ducks. There already was an assualt weapon ban in 1994. It did nothing to stop these events. The ban was lifted several years ago and it such events did not suddenly spike. It's witch hunt that pisses on the constitution and I do not support it.
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Just Ban Blacks, or move them all to Texas with the autistic
Fuck off homo :D
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no what we need to have is a fully trained badass in body armor...not some average cop who's busy trying to fuck the social studies teacher
You've got a lot of soldiers coming home soon, they will be looking for work. Why not hire two or three for every school. The parents could all chip in ten bucks a month to pay these guys. It's a win win.
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You've got a lot of soldiers coming home soon, they will be looking for work. Why not hire two or three for every school. The parents could all chip in ten bucks a month to pay these guys. It's a win win.
Slippery slope.
I do not agree with putting uniformed Soldiers into public venues. Ask Germany how that went for them.
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Slippery slope.
I do not agree with putting uniformed Soldiers into public venues. Ask Germany how that went for them.
I didn't mean they would be working for the military, these guys would be discharged. Let's face it they would be ideal, battle hardened and know what to do when the shit goes down.
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What assault Rifle was used in CT?
I've got your answer for you... NONE.
There was not a single assault rifle used to commit any killing in Newton, CT.
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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
The Koreans when the L.A. riots broke out and people were burning down shops and looting , ironically their shops weren't and why? You guessed it.
And the second amendment says so
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What assault Rifle was used in CT?
I've got your answer for you... NONE.
There was not a single assault rifle used to commit any killing in Newton, CT.
The story's changed at least five times, so I'd have to check my scorecard.
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The story's changed at least five times, so I'd have to check my scorecard.
Actually NONE of the stories had an assault rifle in them.
The Bushmaster XM-15 is not an assault rifle on any level. Nor were any of the guns at his house.
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What assault Rifle was used in CT?
I've got your answer for you... NONE.
There was not a single assault rifle used to commit any killing in Newton, CT.
Thats exactly what i thought.... Everywhere i read and heard , it was that he killed all the childeren with hand guns, and left the AR15 in the car
CNN is reporting today that what was left in the car was shotgun, and his Primary weapon to kill was the AR15 ??? ???
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THESE ASSHOLES ??? ??? was it a gun or the ar15???/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/)
Newtown shooter's guns: What we know
(CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.
In fact many details remain unknown about the weapons Lanza used that day to kill 20 children, his own mother, six other adults and then himself. Here's what is known so far:
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
Bushmaster is the No. 1 supplier of AR-15 rifles in the United States, according to the company website.
Their weapons are used by more than 100 police departments and by the militaries of 50 nations, according to Bushmaster. Private citizens use them for "hunting, recreation, competition and home defense and security," the website says.
Gun control: 'This one feels different'
Glock 10 mm handgun
Police haven't said what kind of Glock 10 mm handgun Lanza used. But Glock lists two types on its website, including the Glock 20 and Glock 29.
Lanza had "multiple magazines" for the Glock, Vance said. Such magazines are widely available.
The Glock 20 model has a 15-round magazine. Glock describes it as an ideal weapon for hunting because of its larger bullets, referred to as the ammunition's caliber.
The Glock 20 measures nearly 8 ¼ inches long and weighs about 2 ½ pounds when loaded, according to Glock's website.
Guns and Ammo magazine said of Glocks: "They point naturally, their triggers aren't too heavy ... but most importantly of all, they're reliable."
Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun
The other handgun police said Lanza had with him during the school massacre was a Sig Sauer. Authorities didn't say what kind, but possibilities include the P226, P229 or P250, P290, and if it was an older pistol, possibly the P220. The 9 mm P220 is no longer sold in the United States
Like the Glock, Lanza's Sig Sauer also allowed high-capacity ammunition, Vance said. Lanza used "multiple magazines" that are widely available to feed ammunition to the Sig Sauer, Vance said. Sig Sauer makes 9 mm pistol magazines with a maximum capacity of 20 bullets.
And like the Glock, Vance said the Sig Sauer handgun was a semiautomatic.
The P226 has a 15-round magazine, measures 7 ¾ inches and costs about $1,142, according to Sig Sauer's website. They can be found cheaper at some gun shops.
The Handguns magazine website says of the P226: "Adopted by the [Navy] SEALs nonetheless, it has proven to be durable, reliable, accurate and adaptable. What it has not had a reputation for is compactness."
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The solution to the tragic events in Newtown is to pass a national assault weapons ban that will effectively punish all law-abiding citizens as if this will prevent this from happening again
The irony is...................... ..........CT already has an assault weapons ban in place :-\ along with , laws against , murder , theft , etc
They want to ban magazines over 10 rounds , they've been making the M16/AR15 platform since 1959 and there are literally tens-of-millions of these magazines that were legal to obtain before the ban , so banning them will accomplish nothing
Even if they went off the deep end and out-right banned ALL new semi-autos , there are again literally tens-of-millions of these rifles that will be grandfathered in , so again this wont stop another mass-shooting
These laws are USELESS , they will NOT prevent another mass shooting , they only serve to restrict the rights of people who follow the law. They had their shot with the first assault weapons ban in 1994-2004 , it was never re-upped because it did NOT work , especially seeing these guns are used in less than 2% of crimes. It was a gigantic failure
As a law-abiding tax paying American citizen , with a flawless record STOP punishing me because of some lunatic. Whenever I buy a gun they call the F.B.I. on me right there to make sure my ' papers ' are in order.
Do I need an ' assault weapon ' ? yes , why does someone need a ' AR15 or AK47 ' ? to kill people who intend on doing me or my family harm. Do I need a car that does 150MPH when the speed limit is 65? need has nothing to do with it.
It's like saying your internet will now be restricted and no one will be able to look at ANY porn sites anymore because some creepy bastard filmed himself having sex with children and posted it on the internet , you're punishing the wrong people.
The most ignorant misguided people are making decisions on what you can and can't legally own based on appearances , hysteria and the acts of deranged people. Don't like guns? don't buy one , but fuck off already with punishing me for something I didn't do.
Steps off soap box
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The solution to the tragic events in Newtown is to pass a national assault weapons ban that will effectively punish all law-abiding citizens as if this will prevent this from happening again
The irony is...................... ..........CT already has an assault weapons ban in place :-\ along with , laws against , murder , theft , etc
They want to ban magazines over 10 rounds , they've been making the M16/AR15 platform since 1959 and there are literally tens-of-millions of these magazines that were legal to obtain before the ban , so banning them will accomplish nothing
Even if they went off the deep end and out-right banned ALL new semi-autos , there are again literally tens-of-millions of these rifles that will be grandfathered in , so again this wont stop another mass-shooting
These laws are USELESS , they will NOT prevent another mass shooting , they only serve to restrict the rights of people who follow the law. They had their shot with the first assault weapons ban in 1994-2004 , it was never re-upped because it did NOT work , especially seeing these guns are used in less than 2% of crimes. It was a gigantic failure
As a law-abiding tax paying American citizen , with a flawless record STOP punishing me because of some lunatic. Whenever I buy a gun they call the F.B.I. on me right there to make sure my ' papers ' are in order.
Do I need an ' assault weapon ' ? yes , why does someone need a ' AR15 or AK47 ' ? to kill people who intend on doing me or my family harm. Do I need a car that does 150MPH when the speed limit is 65? need has nothing to do with it.
It's like saying your internet will now be restricted and no one will be able to look at ANY porn sites anymore because some creepy bastard filmed himself having sex with children and posted it on the internet , you're punishing the wrong people.
The most ignorant misguided people are making decisions on what you can and can't legally own based on appearances , hysteria and the acts of deranged people. Don't like guns? don't buy one , but fuck off already with punishing me for something I didn't do.
Steps off soap box
I see you've pulled Ronnie/Dorians dick out of your hands and made a decent post.
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I didn't mean they would be working for the military, these guys would be discharged. Let's face it they would be ideal, battle hardened and know what to do when the shit goes down.
well sure, they'll get discharged and then immediately go join Xe/Academi services or whatever firm gets the contracts and earn 5 or 600 amercican tax dollars a day doing it :-\
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Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
This is NOT true , you could buy them in a ban configuration. The state I live in ( Ma ) we still have a assault weapons ban and all that means is , you can't not have a bayonet lug to hold a bayonet ( stupid I know ) instead of a flash-suppressor you have to have a pinned on or weld muzzle device , no retractable stock and no new magazines over 10 rounds. but you can buy dozens of magazines made before the ban ( pre-ban ) and use them in a post-ban gun , 20 , 30 , 40 and yes even 100 round magazines
This is my AR15 under the ' assault weapons ban ' they will in all probability bringing this back national wide , if that ass-hole lunatic had this weapon NOTHING would have been different ( the 30 round magazine inside is a preban )
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Thats exactly what i thought.... Everywhere i read and heard , it was that he killed all the childeren with hand guns, and left the AR15 in the car
CNN is reporting today that what was left in the car was shotgun, and his Primary weapon to kill was the AR15 ??? ???
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THESE ASSHOLES ??? ??? was it a gun or the ar15???/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/)
Newtown shooter's guns: What we know
(CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.
In fact many details remain unknown about the weapons Lanza used that day to kill 20 children, his own mother, six other adults and then himself. Here's what is known so far:
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
See how they use "Assault-type" as a description?
It's because it's NOT an assault rifle... It does not do automatic or 3 burst semi-auto.... You have to pull the trigger EVERY time.
It is a fast repeating single shot rifle... And it is NOT easy to convert to Auto.
My Uncle has done it a few times and it's a bitch!
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The solution to the tragic events in Newtown is to pass a national assault weapons ban that will effectively punish all law-abiding citizens as if this will prevent this from happening again
The irony is...................... ..........CT already has an assault weapons ban in place :-\ along with , laws against , murder , theft , etc
They want to ban magazines over 10 rounds , they've been making the M16/AR15 platform since 1959 and there are literally tens-of-millions of these magazines that were legal to obtain before the ban , so banning them will accomplish nothing
Even if they went off the deep end and out-right banned ALL new semi-autos , there are again literally tens-of-millions of these rifles that will be grandfathered in , so again this wont stop another mass-shooting
These laws are USELESS , they will NOT prevent another mass shooting , they only serve to restrict the rights of people who follow the law. They had their shot with the first assault weapons ban in 1994-2004 , it was never re-upped because it did NOT work , especially seeing these guns are used in less than 2% of crimes. It was a gigantic failure
As a law-abiding tax paying American citizen , with a flawless record STOP punishing me because of some lunatic. Whenever I buy a gun they call the F.B.I. on me right there to make sure my ' papers ' are in order.
Do I need an ' assault weapon ' ? yes , why does someone need a ' AR15 or AK47 ' ? to kill people who intend on doing me or my family harm. Do I need a car that does 150MPH when the speed limit is 65? need has nothing to do with it.
It's like saying your internet will now be restricted and no one will be able to look at ANY porn sites anymore because some creepy bastard filmed himself having sex with children and posted it on the internet , you're punishing the wrong people.
The most ignorant misguided people are making decisions on what you can and can't legally own based on appearances , hysteria and the acts of deranged people. Don't like guns? don't buy one , but fuck off already with punishing me for something I didn't do.
Steps off soap box
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Actually NONE of the stories had an assault rifle in them.
The Bushmaster XM-15 is not an assault rifle on any level. Nor were any of the guns at his house.
Does anyone challenge this post?
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Does anyone challenge this post?
Nothing to challenge... My statement is FACT.
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The 4 weapons were the Glock, the Sig, the AR-15, and a Saiga shotgun that was left in the trunk.
This whole "wow scary machine gun assault rifle available anywhere" silliness is used to work people up into a lather that don't actually understand the laws or firearms mechanics.
The average person hasn't been able to cheaply or easily obtain a true assault weapon since the NFA of 1934, which was further strengthened by the GCA of 1968, and FOPA of 1986.
The actual guns we are talking about operate like any other semi-automatic hunting or target gun.
By many accounts we'll probably see another law offered up in the vein of the 94 AWB, which was -
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.
Additionally a federal limit of 10 rounds per magazine.
Seriously, other that the capacity ban which might have a sliver of merit, does any of that stuff actually look important?
It's not, and it will stop nothing. It's just feel good glad handing and dick pulling for the masses.
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Nothing to challenge... My statement is FACT.
Sounds like it's time to put up for some of the 'gun control' fags, then.
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Im still skeptical of the every-evolving story. Originally the AR was locked in the car, he was let into the school (sounds more likely than the new story) and he shot the kids with a glock and a sig. This was accepted for several days.
Then all the sudden the narrative changed and he used the AR and blasted his way past the new security system (a door that you have to be buzzed by, probably metal with shatterproof glas) and layed everyone out with the AR. Next thing you know, AWB ban bill being introduced (which they've been wanting to do for a while).
I'm not one to be highly skeptical of reporters... but seriously, wtf.
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So the difference between 'AR-15', and 'XM-15' that Tu Holmes mentioned...one is civilian, the other military, or what? Does anyone know?
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Im still skeptical of the every-evolving story. Originally the AR was locked in the car, he was let into the school (sounds more likely than the new story) and he shot the kids with a glock and a sig. This was accepted for several days.
Then all the sudden the narrative changed and he used the AR and blasted his way past the new security system (a door that you have to be buzzed by, probably metal with shatterproof glas) and layed everyone out with the AR. Next thing you know, AWB ban bill being introduced (which they've been wanting to do for a while).
I'm not one to be highly skeptical of reporters... but seriously, wtf.
The below video is what caused the confusion, in their rush to be first, the Saiga was reported as an AR-15 by some reporters -
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Here was the medical examiner and the rifle being used -
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Actually NONE of the stories had an assault rifle in them.
The Bushmaster XM-15 is not an assault rifle on any level. Nor were any of the guns at his house.
yeah, the bushmaster is just a bb gun.
murdering 20 children is not an assault, it's just a very long recess.
Please, feel free go on.........
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Sounds like it's time to put up for some of the 'gun control' fags, then.
lets face it, without their guns, a lot of guys don't have their peckers.
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So the difference between 'AR-15', and 'XM-15' that Tu Holmes mentioned...one is civilian, the other military, or what? Does anyone know?
the AR-15 is a civilian Version of the M16
i think TUholmes misstyped xm-1
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So the difference between 'AR-15', and 'XM-15' that Tu Holmes mentioned...one is civilian, the other military, or what? Does anyone know?
The AR-15 family of weapons are nothing more than a semi-automatic .223 or 5.56m shoulder fired civilian version of the M16/M4 family of military assault weapons. The M16/M4 are select fire weapons, meaning they can either select semi-automatic and 3 round burst (or full automatic depending on the model).
We rarely ever used anything other than semi when I was in, as it was a waste of ammunition and it was less accurate.
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The below video is what caused the confusion, in their rush to be first, the Saiga was reported as an AR-15 by some reporters -
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Here was the medical examiner and the rifle being used -
I'm wondering more about the way they're claiming he entered... A shotgun is a breaching weapon. Why was it in the the car if he had to shoot his way through a metal door with shatterproof fire glass? You'd struggle to do that with a .223 round IMHO.
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the AR-15 is a civilian Version of the M16
i think TUholmes misstyped xm-1
That's good, because my scorecard is full. I can't believe any of this shit anymore.
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So the difference between 'AR-15', and 'XM-15' that Tu Holmes mentioned...one is civilian, the other military, or what? Does anyone know?
Trade names- Colt is AR-15, Bushmaster's Tradename is XM-15. AR-15 has become like Kleenex, it's more or less a common trade name, internally they're the same.
Now Sear design is what separates the miltary versions from the civilan versions, full auto vs. Semi auto.
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Now Sear design is what separates the miltary versions from the civilan versions, full auto vs. Semi auto.
Hey, someone that knows what they're talking about.
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The AR-15 family of weapons are nothing more than a semi-automatic .223 or 5.56m shoulder fired civilian version of the M16/M4 family of military assault weapons. The M16/M4 are select fire weapons, meaning they can either select semi-automatic and 3 round burst (or full automatic depending on the model).
We rarely ever used anything other than semi when I was in, as it was a waste of ammunition and it was less accurate.
So would you challenge Tu's statement that there was absolutely no presence of an assault weapon? Or is it simply quibbling over definitions? I suppose it is.
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So would you challenge Tu's statement that there was absolutely no presence of an assault weapon? Or is it simply quibbling over definitions? I suppose it is.
Option Bravo.
It's really a cosmetic thing, some people classify all military looking rifles as "assault weapons" regardless of the actual implications of that word. There is no real difference between a .223 hunting rifle and a .223 Ar-15 aside from cosmetics.
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Trade names- Colt is AR-15, Bushmaster's Tradename is XM-15. AR-15 has become like Kleenex, it's more or less a common trade name, internally they're the same.
Now Sear design is what separates the miltary versions from the civilan versions, full auto vs. Semi auto.
You nailed it.
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This is basically an AR-15
(http://www.jsesurplus.com/images/products/detail/aerobuilt.jpg)
The rest of it is just add on to make it look Mean or slick, or badass whatever your taste is at the time
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This
(http://www.jsesurplus.com/images/products/detail/aerobuilt.jpg)
Plus BLING your bling of the week
(http://llnw.wbez.org/styles/hero_image/llo/topper-image/3847103447_6494c83dc1_b.jpg)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20ADDAX/11beb562.jpg)
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120527192622/guns/images/b/bb/Origin_AR15-6.png)
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Option Bravo.
It's really a cosmetic thing, some people classify all military looking rifles as "assault weapons" regardless of the actual implications of that word. There is no real difference between a .223 hunting rifle and a .223 Ar-15 aside from cosmetics.
So this is what these pinheads are talking about banning.
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This
(http://www.jsesurplus.com/images/products/detail/aerobuilt.jpg)
Plus BLING your bling of the week
(http://llnw.wbez.org/styles/hero_image/llo/topper-image/3847103447_6494c83dc1_b.jpg)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20ADDAX/11beb562.jpg)
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120527192622/guns/images/b/bb/Origin_AR15-6.png)
Looks fucking BAD ASS, no doubt about it.
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gun porn......
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gun porn......
Indeed.
I particularly like this one.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120527192622/guns/images/b/bb/Origin_AR15-6.png)
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Loved to get a TONY MONTANA SCARFACE M16 Lookalike AR15 with Granade Launcher (Flare launcher cus Granade launcher isnt allowed for civilians)
(http://www.blackopstoys.com/ebaypics/HOTTOYS/H2W-Scarface/H2W-SF-03A.JPG)
(http://www.frontroomcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/scarface.jpg)
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Im still skeptical of the every-evolving story. Originally the AR was locked in the car, he was let into the school (sounds more likely than the new story) and he shot the kids with a glock and a sig. This was accepted for several days.
Then all the sudden the narrative changed and he used the AR and blasted his way past the new security system (a door that you have to be buzzed by, probably metal with shatterproof glas) and layed everyone out with the AR. Next thing you know, AWB ban bill being introduced (which they've been wanting to do for a while).
I'm not one to be highly skeptical of reporters... but seriously, wtf.
He went through the glass that was beside the door. Lot of conflicting reports early on. Fog of war. I guess.
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well sure, they'll get discharged and then immediately go join Xe/Academi services or whatever firm gets the contracts and earn 5 or 600 amercican tax dollars a day doing it :-\
Well, if there was armed security present maybe things would be different, maybe. lol complaining about tax dollars, what's your kids life worth?
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schools spend millions. every classroom has tens of thousands in computer gear. most schools in FL now have a $40k "smart board" in their rooms.
There are staff members, assistants, supervisors, 'specialists' and a few people at every school that just bounce around looking busy.
High schools and middls schools already have a cop on campus, and it is VERY rare that we have any school shootings any more. Elementary schools don't seem to have these student resource officers- and they should. Yes, the need is greater in high school, where kids fight and they're bigger/stronger than the teacher, etc, and kids might bring guns to school.
But elementary schools - maybe 30 of them per county - need one cop per campus. Send home one of the assistants trying to look busy, and get a cop there. He can walk around all day, chat with people, learn about problems, diffuse situations. When some ass-hat comes shooting thru the door at 10:30 AM, the cop would have had a nice gun battle up front, long before it got to a classroom.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/554f90fdf5277dbbdafc35bdde93a639/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o4_250.gif)
This is an interesting example. When confronted with a scary surprise, her first instinct is to ATTACK the snowman. I know it's a silly comparison, but you can see if this was a bad guy jumping out of the snowman suit with a gun, she's already going to have fists hitting him, grabbing gun. She is ready to fck him up - while the others assume sort of freeze up, standing fetal position kind of reaction. I contend she probably has had some sort of self-defense training. Fists go into perfect defensize position - no way - perfect attack position - in order to protect herself. It'd be awesome if everyone in society reacted like this. School shooters would have every person EAGER to get that gun and ruin their day. So maybe just self-defense training with hands from young age would benefit society?
Less ideal reactions:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/244a4374e74678027e491b3555aa4063/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o2_250.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bfd3d84e7cdd86235772c6070c0aca7f/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o3_250.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0d0d8d782a13c9ef610cd8ddc705b1e1/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o5_250.gif)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/34a5cf60fe0b0af41d7a0fc1e1bcb954/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o6_250.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c1ef1cfd9ec7bc00665de094925e55cb/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o7_250.gif)
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Option Bravo.
It's really a cosmetic thing, some people classify all military looking rifles as "assault weapons" regardless of the actual implications of that word. There is no real difference between a .223 hunting rifle and a .223 Ar-15 aside from cosmetics.
Exactly... NO difference.
Hence my statement... That there was no assault rifle used during this shooting AT ALL.
It just LOOKS like one.
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Reasonable gun control is not the problem. People who want to ban guns outright are sadly misguided. A gun ban will not work in the United States. Gun ownership is part of our culture and the guns are already out there. Banning stuff doesn't work. You need only look at alcohol and drug prohibition to see that. Besides, target shooting is a lot of fun and very challenging.
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http://lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson352.html (http://lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson352.html)
Progressives smell blood in the wake of the tragic Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut and their coordinated assaults, while not actually making Americans any safer, nonetheless are going to see positive results for the anti-gun lobby. Not surprisingly, the New York Times, which is full of what Daniel Okrent once called "bien-pesant" journalists, has been leading a full-scale charge, demonizing any gun owner who does not carry a weapon as part of his or her employment as being a murderer or enabler of shooting little children.
A lot of writers, such as Robert Higgs and Will Grigg, have dealt with the utter hypocrisy of President Barack Obama decrying the killing of American school children while at the same time ordering drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere in which little children are killed. However, since Obama has been declared by at least some of his supporters as "our lord and savior," one would suppose that The Great And Holy One is beyond any criticism, and especially criticism from the "bien-pesant" journalists that rule our media.
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what's the jews views on gun ownership?
typically jews don't have guns and they aren't white trashish
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what's the jews views on gun ownership?
typically jews don't have guns and they aren't white trashish
Jews have a lot of guns and Jews like guns. They wished they had them in Germany. I hope this helps.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/554f90fdf5277dbbdafc35bdde93a639/tumblr_mf7idbiAjP1qlvt53o4_250.gif)
This is an interesting example. When confronted with a scary surprise, her first instinct is to ATTACK the snowman. I know it's a silly comparison, but you can see if this was a bad guy jumping out of the snowman suit with a gun, she's already going to have fists hitting him, grabbing gun. She is ready to fck him up - while the others assume sort of freeze up, standing fetal position kind of reaction. I contend she probably has had some sort of self-defense training. Fists go into perfect defensize position - no way - perfect attack position - in order to protect herself. It'd be awesome if everyone in society reacted like this. School shooters would have every person EAGER to get that gun and ruin their day. So maybe just self-defense training with hands from young age would benefit society?
Less ideal reactions:
;D ;D ;D ;D
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what's the jews views on gun ownership?
typically jews don't have guns and they aren't white trashish
Before hitler
(http://wonderingfair.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/ebensee-concentration-camp-prisoners-1945.jpg)
(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/37/3798/IWJIF00Z/posters/mass-grave-of-exterminated-jews-at-concentration-camp.jpg)
After Hitler
(http://www.crownheights.info/media/2/20110119-asher-meza.jpg)
(http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nash6.jpg)
(http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/settler-kids-guns1.jpg)
(http://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/article-1166482-043eaed0000005dc-547_468x6401.jpg)
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446 school age children shot in Chicago . . .
The Tea Party Commander ^ | December 20, 2012 | none listed
Posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 3:24:17 PM by RetiredArmy
446 school age children shot in Chicago so far this year with strongest gun laws in country – media silent
The cesspool known as Chicago probably has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet despite all the shootings, murders, and bloodshed, you never hear a peep about this from the corrupt state run media. In Chicago, there have been 446 school age children shot in leftist utopia run by Rahm Emanuel and that produced Obama, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, etc. 62 school aged children have actually been killed by crazed nuts in Chicago so far this year with almost two weeks to go. So why isn’t this news worthy? Is it because it would embarrass those anti second amendment nuts who brag about Chicago’s tough gun laws? Is it because most of the kids who were shot and killed were minorities? Or is it because the corrupt media doesn’t want to show Chicago in a bad light? Amazingly, no Obama crocodile tears either.
For those of you too dense to get the point of this post, it’s to make the point about gun laws. No matter how tough the gun laws are, the crazed, nut jobs will find a way to get them and if they so chose, use them. No draconian law can stop this, no matter how well intentioned the law is, or if it’s just about leftists grabbing power from citizens and taking away their constitutional rights.
THE LIST OF MURDERED SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN 2012
18 YEARS OLD- 15
17 YEARS OLD- 16
16 YEARS OLD- 16
15 YEARS OLD- 6
14 YEARS OLD- 4
13 YEARS OLD- 2
12 YEARS OLD- 1
7 YEARS OLD- 1
6 YEARS OLD- 1
446 School Age Children Shot in Chicago so Far This Year THE LIST OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN SHOT IN 2012
18 year old- 110
17 year old- 99
16 year old- 89
15 year old- 62
14 year old- 39
13 year old- 21
12 year old- 10
11 year old- 2
10 year old- 3
9 year old- 1
7 year old- 3
6 year old- 2
5 year old- 1
4 year old- 1
3 year old- 1
1 year old- 2
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We get it, banning guns in Shitcago has made it one of the safest states in the US.
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We get it, banning guns in Shitcago has made it one of the safest states in the US.
This.
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Idiot. You think banning guns is going to work? Lol.
Scoped in bolt action .308 can be just as deadly.
It works.
That's why USA = stupid
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It works.
That's why USA = stupid
What works in other countries will not work in the USA , Americans are violent.
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That's absurd justification. It's your funeral anyway. The rest of the world laughs.
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That's absurd justification. It's your funeral anyway. The rest of the world laughs.
They can laugh, but they certainly are afraid to invade us... no matter what country they are.
250 Million guns can be a huge deterrent.
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What works in other countries will not work in the USA , Americans are violent.
social pressures mass media craze and an unlimited amount of prescription drugs makes them bat shit crazy.
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That's absurd justification. It's your funeral anyway. The rest of the world laughs.
It's not a justification it's a fact , take away all guns Americans will still be killing Americans
The ' world laughs ' wow we should all strive to be like the rest of the world ::)
I laugh at overly concerned non-Americans who think they know whats best for America. Worry about your country because I'm not
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They can laugh, but they certainly are afraid to invade us... no matter what country they are.
250 Million guns can be a huge deterrent.
Good work on that. Although many other countries aren't as interested in wars and invasions and defending their homes etc, You guys can fight amongst yourselves, we'll sip our tea, read our books, keep our minds open and stay educated. :)
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Good work on that. Although many other countries aren't as interested in wars and invasions and defending their homes etc, You guys can fight amongst yourselves, we'll sip our tea, read our books, keep our minds open and stay educated. :)
Then when someone tries to invade you, you will come asking those "dirty americans" to save your ass again.
As if tea sipping is some kind of special thing.
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Good work on that. Although many other countries aren't as interested in wars and invasions and defending their homes etc, You guys can fight amongst yourselves, we'll sip our tea, read our books, keep our minds open and stay educated. :)
You are such a pretentious fuck. Fuck off back to your CCTV monitored police state please, you can shove your tea up your ass. We don't give a shit.
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Good work on that. Although many other countries aren't as interested in wars and invasions and defending their homes etc, You guys can fight amongst yourselves, we'll sip our tea, read our books, keep our minds open and stay educated. :)
we get a $1 large sweet tea here in the USA. 280 calories for only a buck, mcD drive thru. Wow, we are pretty disgusting in that aspect@
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Then when someone tries to invade you, you will come asking those "dirty americans" to save your ass again.
As if tea sipping is some kind of special thing.
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You are such a pretentious fuck. Fuck off back to your CCTV monitored police state please, you can shove your tea up your ass. We don't give a shit.
:D
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They can laugh, but they certainly are afraid to invade us... no matter what country they are.
250 Million guns can be a huge deterrent.
Don't worry, the US is safe, but not because of an armed populace. Looking forward to the new Red Dawn. I believe this time around the Chinese are invading. Kind of funny really, why would they attack the US? Who are they going to sell all their junk to?
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You are such a pretentious fuck. Fuck off back to your CCTV monitored police state please, you can shove your tea up your ass. We don't give a shit.
You've opened my eyes, I take it all back.
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Good work on that. Although many other countries aren't as interested in wars and invasions and defending their homes etc, You guys can fight amongst yourselves, we'll sip our tea, read our books, keep our minds open and stay educated. :)
We're not interested in wars and invasions , the United States government is. We'll sip out tea , read our books and keep our minds open and stay educated as well , and shoot guns on the weekends
And ironic you used the term educated , you really should brush up on the whole American firearms thing because you suck at it :D
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You are such a pretentious fuck. Fuck off back to your CCTV monitored police state please, you can shove your tea up your ass. We don't give a shit.
The Britfags have started installing CCTV cameras inside public and school bathrooms and the populace has no qualms with that. Bunch of pathetic sheeple over there. ::)
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The Britfags have started installing CCTV cameras inside public and school bathrooms and the populace has no qualms with that. Bunch of pathetic sheeple over there. ::)
Are you saying the yellowteeth have no problems accepting Big Brother as their master?
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Are you saying the yellowteeth have no problems accepting Big Brother as their master?
I think he's saying that the UK Homos are perfectly ok with showing any "Tom, Dick, and Harry" their "Crown Jewels" anytime day or night.
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listen to some reality
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dunno what the video is about but you're still a crackpot.
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crackpot funny, what do you do to keep them from controlling the 3cm at the back of your brain, watch the video, it will be good for ya
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Didn't watch, don't care
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bc you dont care about your life and your existence, you rather believe the control of the 3cm of the back of your brain they control every second
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cswol is not dumb
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You've opened my eyes, I take it all back.
I wasn't trying to open your eyes or convince you of anything, I was telling you to fuck off and that we don't give a shit about your (or the "rest of the worlds") opinion on how we live our lives.
So again, get fucked. Go drink your precious tea and shut the hell up, your opinion is fucking irrelevant.
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listen to cswol you sheep, he speaks the truth. open your mind
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I think he's saying that the UK Homos are perfectly ok with showing any "Tom, Dick, and Harry" their "Crown Jewels" anytime day or night.
This argument is focused and persuasive.
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they dont have parents?
Some experiments went wrong..
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I wasn't trying to open your eyes or convince you of anything, I was telling you to fuck off and that we don't give a shit about your (or the "rest of the worlds") opinion on how we live our lives.
So again, get fucked. Go drink your precious tea and shut the hell up, your opinion is fucking irrelevant.
You are shooting your children in the face every week....yet you think you have everything in order, no adjustment necessary? A society incapable of introspection is a weak and fearful one. I don't pretend England is perfect, I am open to innovation and improvement. I'm not sure what the defensive display is all about. I know not all Americans are like this, but some of the the gun-wielding, child-death advocating, progress-snubbing, prevention-a phobes on this thread are so static in their views I wonder whether they have any awareness whatsoever of other human beings or if they just believe every backward fuck hillbilly homesteader idea their redneck granddaddy taught them is still applicable and relevant today?!
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You are shooting your children in the face every week....yet you think you have everything in order, no adjustment necessary? A society incapable of introspection is a weak and fearful one. I don't pretend England is perfect, I am open to innovation and improvement. I'm not sure what the defensive display is all about. I know not all Americans are like this, but some of the the gun-wielding, child-death advocating, progress-snubbing, prevention-a phobes on this thread are so static in their views I wonder whether they have any awareness whatsoever of other human beings or if they just believe every backward fuck hillbilly homesteader idea their redneck granddaddy taught them is still applicable and relevant today?!
Define "progress"....
Do you believe that banning guns or making stricter laws will effect criminals in America, a country you don't live in yet obsess over?
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You are shooting your children in the face every week....yet you think you have everything in order, no adjustment necessary? A society incapable of introspection is a weak and fearful one. I don't pretend England is perfect, I am open to innovation and improvement. I'm not sure what the defensive display is all about. I know not all Americans are like this, but some of the the gun-wielding, child-death advocating, progress-snubbing, prevention-a phobes on this thread are so static in their views I wonder whether they have any awareness whatsoever of other human beings or if they just believe every backward fuck hillbilly homesteader idea their redneck granddaddy taught them is still applicable and relevant today?!
Of course we aren't perfect, of course we don't have everything in order.
However that doesn't somehow mean that we your opinion carries any weight on our problems. You worry about England, we'll worry about the United States.
You don't see me in every thread telling you that you need to take your privacy back and get rid of the CCTV cameras in your bathroom - I don't give a shit because that's your problem.
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Fair enough. England has no oil for you to be interested in. You do speak our language though and we did invent you, so it's not like the two countries have nothing to do with each other.
Also I believe it's sad when 26 children are shot, regardless of where it happens. I can't think of one toilet with a camera in it, so I'm not sure what that's based on.
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Fair enough. England has no oil for you to be interested in. You do speak our language though and we did invent you, so it's not like the two countries have nothing to do with each other.
Also I believe it's sad when 26 children are shot, regardless of where it happens. I can't think of one toilet with a camera in it, so I'm not sure what that's based on.
America and England are very strong allies with each other.
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gun control never works never will its all bullshit. just like a restraining order really will keep someone away from you. like drawing a line in the sand.....this is my side stay away. Does not matter what kind of weapon is out there the damage will be done by the person holding it not the weapon. just like when someone gets hit by a wreckless driver the report is usually.............."someone was hit or run down by an SUV" as though it back itself out of the garage and did this on its own.
be it an ak-47, bazooka or tank, people will always be dying at the hands of the mentally ill. this is the real problem, gun control is just a means for the tyranical government to try to take the real power away from the people, plain and simple. Plenty of gun control laws out there already and you know what? not one of them work.
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America and England are very strong allies with each other.
Someone with guns has to protect England....
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gun control never works never will its all bullshit. just like a restraining order really will keep someone away from you. like drawing a line in the sand.....this is my side stay away. Does not matter what kind of weapon is out there the damage will be done by the person holding it not the weapon. just like when someone gets hit by a wreckless driver the report is usually.............."someone was hit or run down by an SUV" as though it back itself out of the garage and did this on its own.
be it an ak-47, bazooka or tank, people will always be dying at the hands of the mentally ill. this is the real problem, gun control is just a means for the tyranical government to try to take the real power away from the people, plain and simple. Plenty of gun control laws out there already and you know what? not one of them work.
That lame ass shooting shit happens a hell of a lot less in other countries, is all I'm saying.
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That lame ass shooting shit happens a hell of a lot less in other countries, is all I'm saying.
It happens a fuck of a lot more in other countries , not so much in first world countries.
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Someone with guns has to protect England....
Welcome to the present. I think this is the problem, you guys think it's either 1944 or 1861.
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It happens a fuck of a lot more in other countries , not so much in first world countries.
Roughly speaking according to shittipaedoia you're around 10th for gun homicides and UK is about 70th. So whilst we suck massive balls in loads of ways, on this particular issue I do presume to condescend a little, since we are vastly more developed at not shooting each other in the face, which is awesome.
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Roughly speaking according to shittipaedoia you're around 10th for gun homicides and UK is about 70th. So whilst we suck massive balls in loads of ways, on this particular issue I do presume to condescend a little, since we are vastly more developed at not shooting each other in the face, which is awesome.
Yes and now take into account that there are a 100 MILLION legal gun owners in the USA
Now also take into account since banning guns your violent crimes rate has sky rocketed and we're not even on this list sport
Congrats you don't shoot people as much as a nation with 6 times more a population and and infinitely more firearms :D you just knife everyone
Like I said before you're obsessed with America and American culture , you think some how this makes you better because you have less firearms crime and it doesn't . quit being so obsessed with America and worry about your neck of the woods.
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Yes and now take into account that there are a 100 MILLION legal gun owners in the USA
Now also take into account since banning guns your violent crimes rate has sky rocketed and we're not even on this list sport
Congrats you don't shoot people as much as a nation with 6 times more a population and and infinitely more firearms :D you just knife everyone
Like I said before you're obsessed with America and American culture , you think some how this makes you better because you have less firearms crime and it doesn't . quit being so obsessed with America and worry about your neck of the woods.
I don't think you can trust those UK numbers. More that half of those are soccer fights. ;D
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Welcome to the present. I think this is the problem, you guys think it's either 1944 or 1861.
It may be if we get rid of our guns...
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Welcome to the present. I think this is the problem, you guys think it's either 1944 or 1861.
If you believe that oppressive governments won't happen again then you are not a person of history.
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If you believe that oppressive governments won't happen again then you are not a person of history.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
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I don't think you can trust those UK numbers. More that half of those are soccer fights. ;D
Hahaha
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Roughly speaking according to shittipaedoia you're around 10th for gun homicides and UK is about 70th. So whilst we suck massive balls in loads of ways, on this particular issue I do presume to condescend a little, since we are vastly more developed at not shooting each other in the face, which is awesome.
correct and it states that we have a 3.7 per 100k homocide rate from guns...
That means that a person has a 3.7/100,000 = 00.0037% chance of being killed by a gun.
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libtard morons all emotion no brains
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If you believe that oppressive governments won't happen again then you are not a person of history.
Correct.
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It may be if we get rid of our guns...
Of course we can. Terrorists and criminals really just want to be listened to, respected, and engaged with in honest dialogue.
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What do u need HGh for?? Ban it
Yes bodybuilding drugs inspire roid rage in a small percentage of people. That could lead to a gun massacre.
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correct and it states that we have a 3.7 per 100k homocide rate from guns...
That means that a person has a 3.7/100,000 = 00.0037% chance of being killed by a gun.
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libtard morons all emotion no brains
It will all be solved shortly. There is a YouTube videos of "celebrities" DEMANDING better gun control ::)
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8)
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It will all be solved shortly. There is a YouTube videos of "celebrities" DEMANDING better gun control ::)
Watch this version
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Watch this version
Hollywood hypocrisy at its finest.
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how to protect banks, armed guards...
how to protect VIP's, armed guards...
how to protect protect children, "gun free zone"
only in the mind of a libtard moron does that make sense.
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how to protect banks, armed guards...
how to protect VIP's, armed guards...
how to protect protect children, "gun free zone"
only in the mind of a libtard moron does that make sense.
Lol. In the brain of a pedo communist lib like fagbear it makes perfect sense.
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how to protect banks, armed guards...
how to protect VIP's, armed guards...
how to protect protect children, "gun free zone"
only in the mind of a libtard moron does that make sense.
Our banks don't need armed guards because we don't have armed bank robbers. Why is this concept so hard to understand? If your students don't have guns you don't need armed guards. What kind of savage military state do you aspire towards? Maybe a tank on every street is the answer if civilising your civilans holds no appeal?
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Lol. In the brain of a pedo communist lib like fagbear it makes perfect sense.
The pedo communist lib approach seems to result in less mass child face-shootings.
Hope this helps.
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Our banks don't need armed guards because we don't have armed bank robbers. Why is this concept so hard to understand? If your students don't have guns you don't need armed guards. What kind of savage military state do you aspire towards? Maybe a tank on every street is the answer if civilising your civilans holds no appeal?
first, what shit hole country do you live in?
second, whether we ban all guns or not the criminals will still have guns...mainly b/c well theyre criminals and THEY DONT OBEY THE FUCKING LAWS MORON!!!
Drugs are banned here too but I can make a few phone calls and pick some up. Im sure its the same in your shit whole eurotrash country.
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The pedo communist lib approach seems to result in less mass child face-shootings.
Hope this helps.
Epic fail of an argument.
No wonder the towel headed camel jockeys are taking over your continent. You deserve whatever happens to you.
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Our banks don't need armed guards because we don't have armed bank robbers. Why is this concept so hard to understand? If your students don't have guns you don't need armed guards. What kind of savage military state do you aspire towards? Maybe a tank on every street is the answer if civilising your civilans holds no appeal?
Brutal logic , you don't need a gun to rob a bank , just a note explaining to the teller you have a gun , bomb , etc , etc
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The pedo communist lib approach seems to result in less mass child face-shootings.
Hope this helps.
Yeah worked out real well in Norway he had free reign to slaughter 77 and injure over 250 people like him LOVE going unopposed ::) your solution is a non-solution and childish fantasy
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Yeah worked out real well in Norway he had free reign to slaughter 77 and injure over 250 people like him LOVE going unopposed ::) your solution is a non-solution and childish fantasy
I agree.
A more logical approach would be to kill off all the nutters in america via some form of sterilization/ethnic cleansing. Then nobody will be left to go around shooting the f#@k out of all these schools.
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I agree.
A more logical approach would be to kill off all the nutters in america via some form of sterilization/ethnic cleansing. Then nobody will be left to go around shooting the f#@k out of all these schools.
ya, kill whitey !
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ya, kill whitey !
well I was suggesting everybody, but I guess you have to start somewhere.
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well I was suggesting everybody, but I guess you have to start somewhere.
blacks kill one person and whitey kills lots of people
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blacks kill one person and whitey kills lots of people
Colin ferguson.
Lee Malvo
John Muhammad.
Look them up.
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the same week as the colorado shooting, there was another shooting attempt in an american theatre. an armed off duty security gaurd in the theatre pulled out her gun and killed the shooter, averting a disaster. it only made local news not nationally mentioned.
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the same week as the colorado shooting, there was another shooting attempt in an american theatre. an armed off duty security gaurd in the theatre pulled out her gun and killed the shooter, averting a disaster. it only made local news not nationally mentioned.
Of course, if it's doesn't push an agenda, or if it's not ridiculously horrible, it won't get national attention.
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http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/
Why no death in schools by fires?
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Epic fail of an argument.
No wonder the towel headed camel jockeys are taking over your continent. You deserve whatever happens to you.
Not an intelligent reply.
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the same week as the colorado shooting, there was another shooting attempt in an american theatre. an armed off duty security gaurd in the theatre pulled out her gun and killed the shooter, averting a disaster. it only made local news not nationally mentioned.
Try to understand that, in the western developed world, theatre shootings are a very American phenomenon. It's great the armed guard killed the armed would-be shooter in that instance. But surely prevention is better than cure?
Again, some of you guys seem to think you have it all in order, that school and theatre shootings are just a statistic in the scheme of things, a necessary bi-product of being the most powerful system in the world. That is your prerogative.
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Try to understand that, in the western developed world, theatre shootings are a very American phenomenon. It's great the armed guard killed the armed would-be shooter in that instance. But surely prevention is better than cure?
Again, some of you guys seem to think you have it all in order, that school and theatre shootings are just a statistic in the scheme of things, a necessary bi-product of being the most powerful system in the world. That is your prerogative.
Prevention is a fanciful idea and it isn't a solution. One you CAN NOT prevent a person intent on doing mass destruction. Removing all firearms is NOT a preventative measure and is statistically impossible when you consider firearms out number people in this country.
Got any more bright ideas on what's best for our country? I'll be glad to correct them for you.
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Colin ferguson.
Lee Malvo
John Muhammad.
Look them up.
poor john muhammad, last meal was fried chicken and red sauce :-\
i should have been more specific when i clarified my statement. 'i never said no black man has ever gone on a mass shooting spree , ever' because of course thats not true, but leave it to you, (a racist-not that theres anything wrong with that) to bring up the so few mass shootings blacks have been responsible for in the US. ::) i was merely saying generally, whites go on more shooting sprees than blacks. ok? there you go. and it seems to be whites who aren't extremely poor btw
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the same week as the colorado shooting, there was another shooting attempt in an american theatre. an armed off duty security gaurd in the theatre pulled out her gun and killed the shooter, averting a disaster. it only made local news not nationally mentioned.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting-2524596.html
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Colin ferguson.
Lee Malvo
John Muhammad.
Look them up.
DC sniper right?
if i am not mistaken, wasnt the kid(his adopted son) the shooter and not him? he was the boss who called the shots, but he wasnt the trigger man rigth?
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Try to understand that, in the western developed world, theatre shootings are a very American phenomenon. It's great the armed guard killed the armed would-be shooter in that instance. But surely prevention is better than cure?
Again, some of you guys seem to think you have it all in order, that school and theatre shootings are just a statistic in the scheme of things, a necessary bi-product of being the most powerful system in the world. That is your prerogative.
and for some reason you think that guns are the problem and not mentally ill individuals with the intent to kill.
Without guns we will still have mentally ill ppl intent on killing....
again there is a .0037% chance of being killed by a gun in the US according to the stats YOU CITED...
why are you letting ppl who are pushing an agenda get you all emtionally riled up?
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DC sniper right?
if i am not mistaken, wasnt the kid(his adopted son) the shooter and not him? he was the boss who called the shots, but he wasnt the trigger man rigth?
If im not mistaken they both shot ppl.
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Who needs to have an AK-47 for personal use? Really?
This should not be questioned. Its nobodies business if someone wants an AK-47 for personal use. That's the bottom line. Who are you to ask who needs what? You could take a car and drive it into a crowd and kill a ton of people. Anything can become a weapon of mass destruction.
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blacks kill one person and whitey kills lots of people
Perfect example here of brainwashing or liberal agenda. Here let me refresh your memory as recent as 2011 fuckstick!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder)
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On July 7, 2011, a gunman killed seven people and wounded two others in a spree killing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The deaths took place in two homes, with the two non-fatal gunshot injuries taking place on the road. The suspected gunman, Rodrick Shonte Dantzler, later killed himself after holding three people hostage in a third home following a police chase. Those killed included Dantzler's estranged wife, their daughter, his former girlfriend, and members of the other victims' families. One of the non-fatal victims was also acquainted with Dantzler.
All victims were white or mulatto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting)
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The Hartford Distributors shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on August 3, 2010, in Manchester, Connecticut, United States. The location of the crime was a warehouse owned by Hartford Distributors, a beer distribution company. The gunman, former employee Omar Shariff Thornton (born April 25, 1976)[1] shot and killed eight people before turning a gun on himself.
All victims were white.
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Perfect example here of brainwashing or liberal agenda. Here let me refresh your memory as recent as 2011 fuckstick!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Rapids,_Michigan_mass_murder)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Rodrick_Shonte_Dantzler.jpg/220px-Rodrick_Shonte_Dantzler.jpg)
On July 7, 2011, a gunman killed seven people and wounded two others in a spree killing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The deaths took place in two homes, with the two non-fatal gunshot injuries taking place on the road. The suspected gunman, Rodrick Shonte Dantzler, later killed himself after holding three people hostage in a third home following a police chase. Those killed included Dantzler's estranged wife, their daughter, his former girlfriend, and members of the other victims' families. One of the non-fatal victims was also acquainted with Dantzler.
All victims were white or mulatto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Omar_S._Thornton.jpg/200px-Omar_S._Thornton.jpg)
The Hartford Distributors shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on August 3, 2010, in Manchester, Connecticut, United States. The location of the crime was a warehouse owned by Hartford Distributors, a beer distribution company. The gunman, former employee Omar Shariff Thornton (born April 25, 1976)[1] shot and killed eight people before turning a gun on himself.
All victims were white.
ok so thats ONE more example :D keep them coming!
I do remember this isolated incident
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educational 8)
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ok so thats TWO ONE more examples :D keep them coming!
I do remember this isolated incident
again failure to acknowledge the crimes...
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More non-white mass shootings:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre)
The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on April 16, 2007, on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, United States. Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others[1] in two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, before committing suicide (another 6 people were injured escaping from classroom windows).[2] The massacre is the deadliest shooting incident by a single gunman in U.S. history.[3] It was the worst act of mass murder of college students since Syracuse University lost 35 students in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103,[4] and the second-deadliest act of mass murder at a US school campus, behind the Bath School disaster of 1927.
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More:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang)
Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968) is a naturalized U.S. citizen and a Hmong immigrant from Laos. While on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin, Vang shot eight people, who were also hunting in the area, on November 21, 2004. Six were killed and two were left wounded.
According to court proceedings prior to his conviction, Vang acknowledged shooting the people, but challenged the chain of events that caused a dispute over a deer stand to become violent and escalate into multiple deaths. Vang, who lived in Saint Paul, Minnesota at the time of the shootings, is currently being held at Iowa State Penitentiary
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/John_Allen_Muhammad.jpg/220px-John_Allen_Muhammad.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad)
John Allen Muhammad (December 31, 1960 - November 10, 2009) was a convicted murderer from the United States. He, along with his seventeen-year-old partner, Lee Boyd Malvo, carried out the 2002 Beltway sniper attacks, killing at least 10 people. Muhammad and Malvo were arrested in connection with the attacks on October 24, 2002, following tips from alert citizens. Although the pairing's actions were classified as psychopathy attributable to serial killer characteristics by the media, whether or not their psychopathy meets this classification or that of a spree killer is debated by researchers.[1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Boyd_Malvo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Boyd_Malvo)
Lee Boyd Malvo (also known as John Lee Malvo), born February 18, 1985, is a convicted murderer who, along with John Allen Muhammad, committed murders in connection with the Beltway sniper attacks in the Washington Metropolitan Area over a three-week period in October 2002. Although the pairing's actions were classified as psychopathy attributable to serial killer characteristics by the media, whether or not their psychopathy meets this classification or that of a spree killer is debated by researchers.[1] In 2012, Malvo claimed that he was sexually abused by John Allen Muhammad.[2]
According to Malvo's confession, he and Muhammad had planned to kill six white people a day for a month in order "to terrorize the nation."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(mass_murderer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(mass_murderer))
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Colin Ferguson (born January 14, 1958) is a mass murderer who was convicted of murdering six people and injuring nineteen others on the Long Island Rail Road in Garden City, New York.
On December 7, 1993, as the train pulled into the Merillon Avenue Station, Ferguson pulled out his gun and started firing at passengers. He killed six and wounded nineteen before being stopped by three of the passengers: Kevin Blum, Mark McEntee and Mike O'Connor. Ferguson's trial was notable for a number of unusual developments, including his firing of his defense counsel and insisting on representing himself and questioning his own victims on the stand.
Ferguson was convicted on February 17, 1995, of murder for the deaths of the six passengers who died of their injuries. He was also convicted of attempted murder for wounding nineteen passengers. As of 2012, he is serving his sentence of 315 years and 8 months to life at the Upstate Correctional Facility in Franklin County, New York.[1] His earliest possible parole date is August 6, 2309
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We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)
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We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)
i was talking about blacks not asians. and there are more white mass killers in the us than black.
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i was talking about blacks not asians. and there are more white mass killers in the us than black.
Hmm, and I think last time I checked there were more white people in the US?
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We can keep going with this. Yes, there are many white serial killers and mass shooters. And there are many non-whites as well. They have one thing in common: many non-white shooters kill exclusively white people as do white mass shooters (Brevik, Lanza, etc.)
There are actually a substantial number of black serial killers, and they are quite prolific. You don't hear about it because it doesn't make the news. The news and black leaders dont give a shit about black people killing each other.
Took a course on abnormal psychology years back and the teacher brought up the subject in response to a student claiming there were very few black serial killers. By population, the number of black serial killers is pretty high.
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There are actually a substantial number of black serial killers, and they are quite prolific. You don't hear about it because it doesn't make the news. The news and black leaders dont give a shit about black people killing each other.
This is very true, I also think they don't make the news as much, because their killings are boring by comparison. It's usually a lot of sex crimes in combination with murder, but nothing really sensational.
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Hmm, and I think last time I checked there were more white people in the US?
even per capita i bet more whites are mass murderers than blacks, but proving that is difficult.
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Excellent read
Before the Newtown horror, I, like many people, was in conflict regarding gun control. On the one hand, guns are dangerous. Their wide availability means people can kill on impulse, and surely that means more domestic quarrels turn into killings. And only anarchists would deny Ayn Rand’s point that “the government is the means of placing the use of retaliatory force under objective control.”
Note that this On the other hand, what about those who want to use guns to defend themselves? What about people who aren’t ever going to fly into a rage and shoot anyone in anger? And at Newtown, wouldn’t a few armed adults have meant that the lives of many of those children could have been spared? We don’t need statistical studies to know that banning guns from cities doesn’t stop criminals from getting them.“on the one hand” and “on the other hand” does not arise from looking at different aspects of the same case but from focusing on two different kinds of cases. The pro-gun side focuses on cases of legitimate self-defense (and hunting and target-shooting). The anti-gun side focuses on wrongful uses of guns: the Newton killer or an enraged husband who shoots his wife (and on deaths from accidents with guns).
Both sides are looking at cases that are real. The question is: how can we take all of them into account? What is the proper way to think about this issue?
The answer I’ve come to is radical: reject entirely the collectivist mindset. Don’t look at populations; don’t ask: among 300 million Americans, would law X result in more lives being saved than lost? That sort of cost-benefit analysis is amoral; lives are not balanceable one against the other. And, in practice, it leads to endlessly battling statistical studies. I realized I should not take a God’s eye perspective, looking down on the flock, seeking to preserve the herd. Mankind is not a herd.
Junking the collectivist approach, ridding myself of the idea that the lives of the few can be sacrificed to the lives of the many, I found the issue almost settled itself. Taking the individualist approach, I asked myself: what laws should the individual be subject to? What is the principle governing the individual’s relation to the state?
The principle is “individual rights”–your rights and mine.
Rights define the proper limits of state action. They recognize the areas within which the individual is sovereign, entitled to act on his own judgment, free from interference by his fellow man and by the state. The fundamental right is the right to life. Its expressions are the right to liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. As the Declaration states, government is established “to secure these rights.”
To secure them against what? There is only one thing that can deprive a man of his life, liberty, or property: physical force. Only guns, clubs, chains, jails, or some form of nonconsensual physical contact can kill you, injure you, or negate your ability to act on your own judgment. The proper job of government is to protect the individual’s rights by wielding retaliatory force against the force initiated by criminals or foreign aggressors.
The issue with guns is the threat of force. But the threat of force is force. Orders issued at gunpoint are as coercive–as rights-violating–as laying on hands and overpowering you. (All this is explained in more detail in Ayn Rand’s articles “Man’s Rights” and “The Nature of Government.”) The government may use force only against an objective threat of force. Only that constitutes retaliation.
In particular, the government may not descend to the evil of preventive law. The government cannot treat men as guilty until they have proven themselves to be, for the moment, innocent. No law can require the individual to prove that he won’t violate another’s rights, in the absence of evidence that he is going to.
But this is precisely what gun control laws do. Gun control laws use force against the individual in the absence of any specific evidence that he is about to commit a crime. They say to the rational, responsible gun owner: you may not have or carry a gun because others have used them irrationally or irresponsibly. Thus, preventive law sacrifices the rational and responsible to the irrational and irresponsible. This is unjust and intolerable.
The government may coercively intervene only when there is an objective threat that someone is going to use force. The remaining issue is: what constitutes an objective threat?
An objective threat is constituted by specific evidence of a clear and present danger to someone’s person or property. For instance, waving a gun around (“brandishing”) is an objective threat to the individuals in the vicinity. Having a rifle at home in the attic is not. Carrying a concealed pistol is not (until and unless it is drawn). Yes, there are always borderline cases, but rational standards, such as “clear and present danger,” can be set.
Statistics about how often gun-related crimes occur in the population is no evidence against you. That’s collectivist thinking. The choices made by others are irrelevant to the choices that you will make.
People understand the wrongness of collectivist thinking in other cases. They would indignantly reject the idea that a member of a given racial group is under suspicion because 10 percent of those with his skin color commit crimes. But the individualist approach also applies to gun ownership and concealed carrying of guns: group ratios offer no evidence about what a given individual will do.
The fact that a certain percentage of domestic quarrels end in a shooting is no grounds for saying your ownership of a gun is a threat to the members of your household. Likewise, the fact that there are a certain number of accidental injuries from guns is no justification for regulating or banning the ownership of guns for everyone. And The tragic fact that the psychotic killer at Newtown used a gun to kill school children is zero grounds for disarming teachers and school personnel.
The government may respond only to specific threats, objectively evident. It has no right to initiate force against the innocent. And a gun owner is innocent until specific evidence arises that he is threatening to initiate force.
Laws prohibiting or regulating guns across the board represent the evil of preventive law and should be abolished.