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matlock bustin caps 8)
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Should have packed a .45 both would be dead
I actually just watched this on another site
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Bet you he played CS before that :D
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
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Should have packed a .45 both would be dead
I actually just watched this on another site
i dunno, my brother shot a kid in the belly with a 45. lodged in his spine. spun and ran out. people live thru some crazy shit.
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
How the fuck would you know what the chances of people getting shot are? and YOU take chances I'm not.
keep making excuses for the criminals dummy continue playing the victim
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i dunno, my brother shot a kid in the belly with a 45. lodged in his spine. spun and ran out. people live thru some crazy shit.
Two center mass one in the head insures no repeat offenders
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
ahahahahaah, i hope your family get's caught up in one of those robbery hold ups, see how you'll react then.
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
Fuck you hippy! I hope some hood rat sees this and thinks twice about doing stupid shit. Concealed carry is a beautiful thing.
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How the fuck would you know what the chances of people getting shot are? and YOU take chances I'm not.
keep making excuses for the criminals dummy continue playing the victim
How do YOU know that shooting the robbers won't turn the whole thing into a giant clusterfuck of people getting shot? I can see how shooting a lone robber could have its advantages, but taking the risk of shooting two armed robbers in a building full of innocent bystanders? Idiots.
Now I might just be pulling this out of my ass, but armed robbers usually don't shoot their victims unless they put up a fight.
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ahahahahaah, i hope your family get's caught up in one of those robbery hold ups, see how you'll react then.
He'll bend over and take it in the ass like all victims do. A low-to-moderate chance ::)
FUCK THAT NOISE
you pull a gun out on someone be prepare to dye by the sword
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He'll bend over and take it in the ass like all victims do. A low-to-moderate chance ::)
FUCK THAT NOISE
you pull a gun out on someone be prepare to dye by the sword
I'll bend over any day of the week if it means that myself and others are less likely to get fucking shot.
Trigger-happy morons.
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How do YOU know that shooting the robbers won't turn the whole thing into a giant clusterfuck of people getting shot? I can see how shooting a lone robber could have its advantages, but taking the risk of shooting two armed robbers in a building full of innocent bystanders? Idiots.
Now I might just be pulling this out of my ass, but armed robbers usually don't shoot their victims unless they put up a fight.
We know for a FACT it didn't turn into a cluster fuck you're more than willing to take your chances that they wont shoot why not take your chances it wont turn into a cluster fuck?
Why allow them to victimize you? because chances are they wont shoot? how about I don't feel like being robbed? how about I don't like having a gun pointed at me? how about they changed the dynamic of the situation and THEY don't give a fuck about the rights or feelings about anyone else.
You have a victim's mentality , as long as we give them what they want ::) I'll give them what they don't want , someone with a gun pointed at them
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:o
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fuck those n1gerians there was no chance any innocent bystanders wouldve been shot accidently by matlock, it was his day to shine
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I'll bend over any day of the week if it means that myself and others are less likely to get fucking shot.
Trigger-happy morons.
You don't know what it means , you're willing to take a chance. I'm not
Reminds me of a ex-Marine eating lunch in Subway a few years back , two thugs run up in the place shot at the girl behind the counter , told his boy to heard them all up and take them in the cooler ( take a wild guess what that meant ) Marine pulled out his gun killed both of them on the spot
I'm not taking chances with my life , keep making excuses for the criminals
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We know for a FACT it didn't turn into a cluster fuck you're more than willing to take your chances that they wont shoot why not take your chances it wont turn into a cluster fuck?
Why allow them to victimize you? because chances are they wont shoot? how about I don't feel like being robbed? how about I don't like having a gun pointed at me? how about they changed the dynamic of the situation and THEY don't give a fuck about the rights or feelings about anyone else.
You have a victim's mentality , as long as we give them what they want ::) I'll give them what they don't want , someone with a gun pointed at them
When are you trigger-happy morons going to realize that it's all about random chance and probabilities? Just because you try to be a hero doesn't necessarily mean you'll be considered one after it's all said and done. The robbery in the video could have gone either way. If those robbers were on drugs or just more aggressive a lot of people could have been fucking killed thanks to that old fart. If he wouldn't have whipped his gun out the robbers most likely would have taken the stuff they wanted and then left.
It's not about who's the victim or the bitch, honestly who gives a flying fuck about that when it comes to human lives being at risk? It's so obvious that you guys are thinking with your BALLS and then use your brains to construct some delusional self-serving arguments to make your balls even bigger.
The robbers don't give a shit about my rights? Fine, they can have my wallet, I don't care.
Again, attempting to shoot down TWO armed robbers in a building full of innocent people is nothing but sheer stupidity.
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You don't know what it means , you're willing to take a chance. I'm not
Reminds me of a ex-Marine eating lunch in Subway a few years back , two thugs run up in the place shot at the girl behind the counter , told his boy to heard them all up and take them in the cooler ( take a wild guess what that meant ) Marine pulled out his gun killed both of them on the spot
I'm not taking chances with my life , keep making excuses for the criminals
There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day ::) ::)
If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?
FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal.
If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.
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Good for that guy.
Although If it had been me, they would not have survived.
As ND said, 1911, 2 in the chest followed by 1 in the t-box.
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There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day ::) ::)
If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?
FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal.
If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.
ahahhahaah, WTF is wrong with you?
You'd rather physically harm an individual with good intentions that felt threatened and tried to save his ass?
...but you'd happily oblige to the demands of armed robbers even if you had a weapon?
Wow, you are some kind of new age panzy ass fagg0t, no doubt about that.
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When are you trigger-happy morons going to realize that it's all about random chance and probabilities? Just because you try to be a hero doesn't necessarily mean you'll be considered one after it's all said and done. The robbery in the video could have gone either way. If those robbers were on drugs or just more aggressive a lot of people could have been fucking killed thanks to that old fart. If he wouldn't have whipped his gun out the robbers most likely would have taken the stuff they wanted and then left.
It's not about who's the victim or the bitch, honestly who gives a flying fuck about that when it comes to human lives being at risk? It's so obvious that you guys are thinking with your BALLS and then use your brains to construct some delusional self-serving arguments to make your balls even bigger.
The robbers don't give a shit about my rights? Fine, they can have my wallet, I don't care.
Again, attempting to shoot down TWO armed robbers in a building full of innocent people is nothing but sheer stupidity.
When are you trigger-happy morons going to realize that it's all about random chance and probabilities? Just because you try to be a hero doesn't necessarily mean you'll be considered one after it's all said and done. The robbery in the video could have gone either way. If those robbers were on drugs or just more aggressive a lot of people could have been fucking killed thanks to that old fart. If he wouldn't have whipped his gun out the robbers most likely would have taken the stuff they wanted and then left.
If I have a gun that chances of my survival increase 100 fold so it is a matter of random chance and I will improve my chances of living by destroying at threat.
Who said anything about being a hero? Maybe the guy doesn't feel like being robbed or want to play the odds like you and take his chances with his life. You think anyone that defends their lives wants to play hero ::) We could have talked about what could have happened all day long lets talk about what did happen , fuck hypotheticals
It's not about who's the victim or the bitch, honestly who gives a flying fuck about that when it comes to human lives being at risk? It's so obvious that you guys are thinking with your BALLS and then use your brains to construct some delusional self-serving arguments to make your balls even bigger.
Weak , it's got to do with NOT being a victim and not allowing people to take chances with your life. You have a victim's mentality by stating the guy who decided to defend himself ( along with others ) is putting people at risk WRONG , WRONG , WRONG
The moment these two clowns ran in with a gun and a bat THEY put innocent people at risk , not the other way around. You wanna play victim and hand them everything and hope they don't hurt you , you bend over and take it in the ass. I refuse to.
The robbers don't give a shit about my rights? Fine, they can have my wallet, I don't care.
Again, attempting to shoot down TWO armed robbers in a building full of innocent people is nothing but sheer stupidity.
What kind of man are you? fine just violate me and take my wallet and please don't hurt me? ::)
Two armed robbers trying to rob a place isn't stupid just some guy who doesn't want to be a victim , fan-fucking-tastic logic you have.
" Oh please Mr Robber take my wallet please don't shoot me though "
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ahahhahaah, WTF is wrong with you?
You'd rather physically harm an individual with good intentions that felt threatened and tired to save his ass?
...but you'd happily oblige to the demands of armed robbers even if you had a weapon?
Wow, you are some kind of new age panzy ass fagg0t, no doubt about that.
If that person made the situation much worse by whipping out a gun and causing a gunfight that ends up hurting someone close to me, then yes I'd be looking for revenge.
I'd oblige any robber if that means I can get out of there unscathed or at least not lethally injured. I can deal with hurt pride later.
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If that person made the situation much worse by whipping out a gun and causing a gunfight that ends up hurting someone close to me, then yes I'd be looking for revenge.
I'd oblige any robber if that means I can get out of there unscathed or at least not lethally injured. I can deal with hurt pride later.
GTFO pansy.
You sir, are a giant gaping vagina.
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Excellent job Wes, but work on those calves man
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This incident shows the importance of ALWAYS carrying a gun with you, due to these black robbers who even lack such decency that they even try to rob people in Internet Cafes!
FILT!
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There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day ::) ::)
If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?
FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal.
If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.
There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day ::) ::)
If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?
What is your obsession about labeling people who want to defend themselves as wanna-be heros or saving the day? NO I don't want to be killed I enjoy life and have a responsibility to my family you think I'm gonna take a chance on what two people who are brazen enough to do an armed robbery might do?
Again maybe I don't feeling getting robbed , and I know for a fact I don't like having guns pointed at me. Keep making excuses for the criminals
FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal.
Says who? the victim? ::) you have a gun pointed at me that's as extreme as it gets and I'm not gonna guess on what your intentions are or hedge my bets or take my chances. It's your mentality that allows these people to do this shit , because they know people like you will just bend over.
If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.
You wouldn't do a fucking thing you're a bitch already stop trying to act like a man now.
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What is your obsession about labeling people who want to defend themselves as wanna-be heros or saving the day? NO I don't want to be killed I enjoy life and have a responsibility to my family you think I'm gonna take a chance on what two people who are brazen enough to do an armed robbery might do?
Again maybe I don't feeling getting robbed , and I know for a fact I don't like having guns pointed at me. Keep making excuses for the criminals
Says who? the victim? ::) you have a gun pointed at me that's as extreme as it gets and I'm not gonna guess on what your intentions are or hedge my bets or take my chances. It's your mentality that allows these people to do this shit , because they know people like you will just bend over.
You wouldn't do a fucking thing you're a bitch already stop trying to act like a man now.
He's a bitch. Nothing else to say.
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GTFO pansy.
You sir, are a giant gaping vagina.
Seriously " okay Mr Robber here is my wallet please don't hurt me " ::)
YOU beg for your fucking life , YOU take chances with your life , YOU bend over and be a victim. Not this kid if I can help it.
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If I have a gun that chances of my survival increase 100 fold so it is a matter of random chance and I will improve my chances of living by destroying at threat.
No, it doesn't. If you are alone with the robber and for some odd reason you are aiming at his head with a cocked weapon, then sure, you've saved the day.
If the robbers are running around and you are pinned down(most likely scenario) you're taking a huge risk by pulling out a gun. Especially if there innocent people nearby. ESPECIALLY if the robber is not alone. Life is not a video game, you dumbass. It's safe to say that you would be absolutely shock full of adrenaline in a situation like that and don't think for a second that you're going to have perfect aim and perfect consideration of those around you. You are taking a big risk.
Who said anything about being a hero? Maybe the guy doesn't feel like being robbed or want to play the odds like you and take his chances with his life. You think anyone that defends their lives wants to play hero ::) We could have talked about what could have happened all day long lets talk about what did happen , fuck hypotheticals
Again, it's all about randomness and probabilities. Just because all went "well" in that video doesn't mean it will for you or anyone else in a similar spot. You are thinking just as hypothetically as I am. You have for some reason(balls) deluded yourself into thinking that pulling out a gun of your own will solve everything.
"..my survival chances increases a 100 fold" ROFLMAO!!!
Weak , it's got to do with NOT being a victim and not allowing people to take chances with your life. You have a victim's mentality by stating the guy who decided to defend himself ( along with others ) is putting people at risk WRONG , WRONG , WRONG
Are you seriously arguing that him pulling out a gun and shooting the robbers didn't significantly elevate the risk of people getting shot? What drugs are you taking?
The moment these two clowns ran in with a gun and a bat THEY put innocent people at risk , not the other way around. You wanna play victim and hand them everything and hope they don't hurt you , you bend over and take it in the ass. I refuse to.
Sure they put people at risk. That's undeniable. But that old dude put them at a even greater risk, literally FORCING the robbers to either fight or flee. If they would have stayed and fought back, a lot of people would have been hurt.
What kind of man are you? fine just violate me and take my wallet and please don't hurt me? ::)
This just further proves that it's at least 70% an issue of balls and pride to you. Idiot.
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He's a bitch. Nothing else to say.
Absolutely , I feel bad if he has a family who relies on him that he's willing to take chances with their lives and if we just give them what they want
No how about I don't feel like being robbed , or I don't feel like taking chances or I don't feel like being a victim. He has a victim's mentality where he blames the LAW-ABIDING citizen for protecting himself ( and others ) where he just willing gets violated in hopes they won't make matters worse.
If more people shot these armed thieves dead when trying to violate the rest of us , you would see much less of this type of crime but when sheep like him are lead to the slaughter you know why these types of crimes are allowed.
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"Pansy", "vagina", "pussy", etc etc.
Yeah this is all about staying rational and trying to make sure people don't get hurt. Absolutely.
::) ::) ::) ::)
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No, it doesn't. If you are alone with the robber and for some odd reason you are aiming at his head with a cocked weapon, then sure, you've saved the day.
If the robbers are running around and you are pinned down(most likely scenario) you're taking a huge risk by pulling out a gun. Especially if there innocent people nearby. ESPECIALLY if the robber is not alone. Life is not a video game, you dumbass. It's safe to say that you would be absolutely shock full of adrenaline in a situation like that and don't think for a second that you're going to have perfect aim and perfect consideration of those around you. You are taking a big risk.
Again, it's all about randomness and probabilities. Just because all went "well" in that video doesn't mean it will for you or anyone else in a similar spot. You are thinking just as hypothetically as I am. You have for some reason(balls) deluded yourself into thinking that pulling out a gun of your own will solve everything.
"..my survival chances increases a 100 fold" ROFLMAO!!!
Are you seriously arguing that him pulling out a gun and shooting the robbers didn't significantly elevate the risk of people getting shot? What drugs are you taking?
Sure they put people at risk. That's undeniable. But that old dude put them at a even greater risk, literally FORCING the robbers to either fight or flee. If they would have stayed and fought back, a lot of people would have been hurt.
This just further proves that it's at least 70% an issue of balls and pride to you. Idiot.
Bitch.
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Dont fuck with an old man and his time to make the Early Bird dinner special at dennys
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Absolutely , I feel bad if he has a family who relies on him that he's willing to take chances with their lives and if we just give them what they want
No how about I don't feel like being robbed , or I don't feel like taking chances or I don't feel like being a victim. He has a victim's mentality where he blames the LAW-ABIDING citizen for protecting himself ( and others ) where he just willing gets violated in hopes they won't make matters worse.
If more people shot these armed thieves dead when trying to violate the rest of us , you would see much less of this type of crime but when sheep like him are lead to the slaughter you know why these types of crimes are allowed.
You're making a lot of assumptions.
I'm not personally against people carrying weapons to defend themselves(at least not in the states, I'd fight tooth and nail to prevent any more guns to get in where I'm from though) but on the condition that they use those weapons wisely and don't shoot all over the place because they don't want to be someones bitch. That's how people get hurt.
The robbers are absolute scum. I'm not making excuses for them.. where do you get this shit from??
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You're making a lot of assumptions.
I'm not personally against people carrying weapons to defend themselves(at least not in the states, I'd fight tooth and nail to prevent any more guns to get in where I'm from though) but on the condition that they use those weapons wisely and don't shoot all over the place because they don't want to be someones bitch. That's how people get hurt.
The robbers are absolute scum. I'm not making excuses for them.. where do you get this shit from??
We get it, youre a bitch. Try not to get your vaginal bleeding all over this thread, nancy boy.
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i have never seen a criminal with a permit to carry a gun
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i have never seen a criminal with a permit to carry a gun
Not only that, but you never know when one of these "rational, law abiding" ::) citizens may decide to just fucking blast you for kicks after he robs you.
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What is your obsession about labeling people who want to defend themselves as wanna-be heros or saving the day? NO I don't want to be killed I enjoy life and have a responsibility to my family you think I'm gonna take a chance on what two people who are brazen enough to do an armed robbery might do?
Again maybe I don't feeling getting robbed , and I know for a fact I don't like having guns pointed at me. Keep making excuses for the criminals
Says who? the victim? ::) you have a gun pointed at me that's as extreme as it gets and I'm not gonna guess on what your intentions are or hedge my bets or take my chances. It's your mentality that allows these people to do this shit , because they know people like you will just bend over.
You wouldn't do a fucking thing you're a bitch already stop trying to act like a man now.
Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.
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You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.
YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.
Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
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Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.
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You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.
YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.
Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
Well, thats good, because you are, in fact, a bitch.
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No, it doesn't. If you are alone with the robber and for some odd reason you are aiming at his head with a cocked weapon, then sure, you've saved the day.
If the robbers are running around and you are pinned down(most likely scenario) you're taking a huge risk by pulling out a gun. Especially if there innocent people nearby. ESPECIALLY if the robber is not alone. Life is not a video game, you dumbass. It's safe to say that you would be absolutely shock full of adrenaline in a situation like that and don't think for a second that you're going to have perfect aim and perfect consideration of those around you. You are taking a big risk.
Again, it's all about randomness and probabilities. Just because all went "well" in that video doesn't mean it will for you or anyone else in a similar spot. You are thinking just as hypothetically as I am. You have for some reason(balls) deluded yourself into thinking that pulling out a gun of your own will solve everything.
"..my survival chances increases a 100 fold" ROFLMAO!!!
Are you seriously arguing that him pulling out a gun and shooting the robbers didn't significantly elevate the risk of people getting shot? What drugs are you taking?
Sure they put people at risk. That's undeniable. But that old dude put them at a even greater risk, literally FORCING the robbers to either fight or flee. If they would have stayed and fought back, a lot of people would have been hurt.
This just further proves that it's at least 70% an issue of balls and pride to you. Idiot.
No, it doesn't. If you are alone with the robber and for some odd reason you are aiming at his head with a cocked weapon, then sure, you've saved the day.
If the robbers are running around and you are pinned down(most likely scenario) you're taking a huge risk by pulling out a gun. Especially if there innocent people nearby. ESPECIALLY if the robber is not alone. Life is not a video game, you dumbass. It's safe to say that you would be absolutely shock full of adrenaline in a situation like that and don't think for a second that you're going to have perfect aim and perfect consideration of those around you. You are taking a big risk.
Lets comment on what happened kid NOT what might of happened , we KNOW what happened and your imaginary scenario did NOT. NO innocent people were hurt just two degenerates assholes.
Again stick the ' hypothetical ' up your ass. lets talk facts. Facts are two thugs shot in custody no innocent people hurt. You don't like facts which is why you're clinging to what could have happened ::)
You're taking a risk by NOT doing anything but seeing you're a victim you'll do that. I won't.
Again, it's all about randomness and probabilities. Just because all went "well" in that video doesn't mean it will for you or anyone else in a similar spot. You are thinking just as hypothetically as I am. You have for some reason(balls) deluded yourself into thinking that pulling out a gun of your own will solve everything.
"..my survival chances increases a 100 fold" ROFLMAO!!!
Way to speak for me jackass , NO I don't think pulling out a gun solves everything , what it does do is evens the odds , I now have a fuck-of-a-better chance at living that just hoping they're in a good mood and wont kill me. Pulling out a gun increases my odds of living and not being a victim and it's a fuck of a lot better than bending over like you
"..my survival chances increases a 100 fold" ROFLMAO!!!
His did didn't it? no victims , no innocent people hurt , two degenerates in jail all's well that ends well.
Are you seriously arguing that him pulling out a gun and shooting the robbers didn't significantly elevate the risk of people getting shot? What drugs are you taking?
Sure they put people at risk. That's undeniable. But that old dude put them at a even greater risk, literally FORCING the robbers to either fight or flee. If they would have stayed and fought back, a lot of people would have been hurt.
The risk of innocent people getting hurt were already through the roof when two morons walked in with a baseball bat and a gun. Your victim mentality keeps wanting to shift the blame do the innocent guy with the gun. They put everyone at risk NOT him. And again stupid you're more than willing to play the chances on they wont hurt anyone as long as they get what they want , but balk at the idea of someone taking a chance on killing them before they kill you because something might go wrong ::)
He didn't make it worse what he did do is make it better , we know this for a FACT fuck what could have happened we know what did happen.
This just further proves that it's at least 70% an issue of balls and pride to you. Idiot.
Nothing to do with balls it has everything to do with NOT being a victim , NOT taking chances and NOT want to be robbed. It's not bravado it's not wanting to take a chance ( like you ) with my life.
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Well, thats good, because you are, in fact, a bitch.
That's a great argument and I completely agree with you. From now on I'll attack whoever that might potentially attack me. Thank you.
May you couragesly kill a lot of bad guys with your concealed weapon. It's the only smart thing to do. No but seriously, it is.
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That's a great argument and I completely agree with you. From now on I'll attack whoever that might potentially attack me. Thank you.
May you couragesly kill a lot of bad guys with your concealed weapon. It's the only smart thing to do. No but seriously, it is.
Who is advocating to try and kill everyone regardless of circumstance? Its a calculated risk - obviously Im not gonna draw my firearm if a dude has his weapon up against my skull.
You sir, sound like a bitch in every post you make, youre the kind of guy thats gonna play it safe, and the robber is going to shoot you anyway and laugh because he can tell you are, in fact, a bitch.
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Lets comment on what happened kid NOT what might of happened , we KNOW what happened and your imaginary scenario did NOT. NO innocent people were hurt just two degenerates assholes.
Again stick the ' hypothetical ' up your ass. lets talk facts. Facts are two thugs shot in custody no innocent people hurt. You don't like facts which is why you're clinging to what could have happened ::)
You're taking a risk by NOT doing anything but seeing you're a victim you'll do that. I won't.
Way to speak for me jackass , NO I don't think pulling out a gun solves everything , what it does do is evens the odds , I now have a fuck-of-a-better chance at living that just hoping they're in a good mood and wont kill me. Pulling out a gun increases my odds of living and not being a victim and it's a fuck of a lot better than bending over like you
His did didn't it? no victims , no innocent people hurt , two degenerates in jail all's well that ends well.
The risk of innocent people getting hurt were already through the roof when two morons walked in with a baseball bat and a gun. Your victim mentality keeps wanting to shift the blame do the innocent guy with the gun. They put everyone at risk NOT him. And again stupid you're more than willing to play the chances on they wont hurt anyone as long as they get what they want , but balk at the idea of someone taking a chance on killing them before they kill you because something might go wrong ::)
He didn't make it worse what he did do is make it better , we know this for a FACT fuck what could have happened we know what did happen.
Nothing to do with balls it has everything to do with NOT being a victim , NOT taking chances and NOT want to be robbed. It's not bravado it's not wanting to take a chance ( like you ) with my life.
Alright, I think our discussion basically boils down to this:
My argument:
Assuming that most robbery victims who don't put up a fight don't get shot or lethally injured are better off just accepting that they're about to lose their wallet, cell phone etcetc. If you don't put up a fight, you'll have a good chance of escaping relatively unharmed from the ordeal. Forcing the attacker to fight or flee will most likely result in someone getting seriously hurt or die.
My argument is also assuming that what really matters is your own life and the well being of victims in the vicinity.
Your argument:
Everyone should have use their right to defend themselves at any time, even though that might start a gunfight. Victims are very likely to die if they don't fight back. Because the attacker initiated hostility any additional risk added by the victim is irrelevant. The victim will improve his chances of surviving enormously by fighting back. The attacker/robber almost always loses such a conflict.
Your argument also assumes that fighting back means you're not a bitch.
Lets just accept that we view this from entirely different perspectives.
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Who is advocating to try and kill everyone regardless of circumstance? Its a calculated risk - obviously Im not gonna draw my firearm if a dude has his weapon up against my skull.
You sir, sound like a bitch in every post you make, youre the kind of guy thats gonna play it safe, and the robber is going to shoot you anyway and laugh because he can tell you are, in fact, a bitch.
Yes, because a majority of robbery victims are brutally raped by a bunch of black men only to then be brutally executed by the robber. This is simple statistics.
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Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.
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You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.
YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.
Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.
No I think about preserving my life first and property second. get that through your head. I don't want to die and when some comes into a place I'm in with a bat and a gun I'm not willing to take chances with my life and hope they wont kill me.
There you go again painting people the way you want to ' heros ' ' guns make you feel important ' these is the bullshit YOU believe. Wanna know if they do? ask. first and foremost is my life I love life and don't want to take a chance that some asshole might be in a good mood. Second is my property I don't like having shit stolen is this reason alone to kill someone? NO but when you have a gun I don't know what your intentions are and I'm not taking a chance
You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.
LMFAO forget the guy with the bat and the gun. Just you don't make it worse ::) THEY put innocent peoples lives ate risk not the other way around. keep making excuses for the criminals they like stupid people like you.
YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.
YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE either fucking way. And we know how this scenario turned out fuck your hypothetical one. AGAIN pay attention two degenerate criminals shot and in custody , innocent victims harmed. my chances of survival increase 100 fold when I pull a gun compared to the alternative of just bending over like you
Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
You already are a bitch every day of the week. YOU be the victim not this kid.
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Youre playing statistics, "most people who get robbed dont get harmed", thats not the fucking point, how would YOU like to become that statistic? Hmm? How'd you like to get blasted because you played it safe, and the robber didnt care? Or because you saw his face? Or for whatever fucked up reason may occur?
You dont play percentages with your life, pansy.
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Repost, big argument in the other thread.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=431526.0
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Youre playing statistics, "most people who get robbed dont get harmed", thats not the fucking point, how would YOU like to become that statistic? Hmm? How'd you like to get blasted because you played it safe, and the robber didnt care? Or because you saw his face? Or for whatever fucked up reason may occur?
You dont play percentages with your life, pansy.
That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to assume that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
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That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to think that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
I dont give a fuck about the statistics, Im not going to become one. Ill leave that up to you.
If I have the upper hand and the opportunity, im taking it. Im not going to play statistics with my life, because there is a very real chance that 1 time I get robbed, I may be that "1 in 100" that gets killed.
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I dont give a fuck about the statistics, Im not going to become one. Ill leave that up to you.
If I have the upper hand and the opportunity, im taking it. Im not going to play statistics with my life, because there is a very real chance that 1 time I get robbed, I may be that "1 in 100" that gets killed.
You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?
EDIT: Just think really hard for a second why you are way more passionate about the idea of potentially getting robbed/murdered than getting run over by some old lady in a SUV. Just think about it.
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You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?
Im not being robbed by an armed attacker every time I get in a car, am I?
How do you not understand I just said I dont give a fuck about the statistics of how likely I am to get injured - if I have a way to prevent it from happening, Im jumping all over it.
Comparing being robbed to driving a car, Jesus Christ.
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Im not being robbed by an armed attacker every time I get in a car, am I?
How do you not understand I just said I dont give a fuck about the statistics of how likely I am to get injured - if I have a way to prevent it from happening, Im jumping all over it.
Comparing being robbed to driving a car, Jesus Christ.
Well that argument totally went over your head.
Alright fine, you don't give a shit about statistics. Great.
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Well that argument totally went over your head.
Alright fine, you don't give a shit about statistics. Great.
It didnt go over my head, its not fucking applicable in this situation, and its just a pathetic attempt by you to justify acting like a bitch.
Its ok, youre a pansy, accept it and move on.
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That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to assume that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
Funny you should mention this, cause this guy not only prevented a robbery by being brave but he also is responsible for bringing down the crime rate, the more people like this spring up into action the better the overall results are. Your logic is based on speculation that someone could have gotten hurt, how about speculating that if the guy had not have stopped them, these 2 guys would have been trigger happy and shot someone, who's to say, your logic is flawed.
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It didnt go over my head, its not fucking applicable in this situation, and its just a pathetic attempt by you to justify acting like a bitch.
Its ok, youre a pansy, accept it and move on.
Well they both are different ways of dying with one being way more likely than the other, but for some reason you care A LOT more about the one that is LESS likely. Why? It couldn't possibly be pride, right?
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Alright, I think our discussion basically boils down to this:
My argument:
Assuming that most robbery victims who don't put up a fight don't get shot or lethally injured are better off just accepting that they're about to lose their wallet, cell phone etcetc. If you don't put up a fight, you'll have a good chance of escaping relatively unharmed from the ordeal. Forcing the attacker to fight or flee will most likely result in someone getting seriously hurt or die.
My argument is also assuming that what really matters is your own life and the well being of victims in the vicinity.
Your argument:
Everyone should have use their right to defend themselves at any time, even though that might start a gunfight. Victims are very likely to die if they don't fight back. Because the attacker initiated hostility any additional risk added by the victim is irrelevant. The victim will improve his chances of surviving enormously by fighting back. The attacker/robber almost always loses such a conflict.
Your argument also assumes that fighting back means you're not a bitch.
Lets just accept that we view this from entirely different perspectives.
My argument:
Assuming that most robbery victims who don't put up a fight don't get shot or lethally injured are better off just accepting that they're about to lose their wallet, cell phone etcetc. If you don't put up a fight, you'll have a good chance of escaping relatively unharmed from the ordeal. Forcing the attacker to fight or flee will most likely result in someone getting seriously hurt or die.
My argument is also assuming that what really matters is your own life and the well being of victims in the vicinity.
Your ' argument ' was just proven to be null and void , watch the video again. Your ' argument ' laments on how someone who doesn't want to take a chance with his life is putting people at risk while the guys who initiated the whole scenario aren't as long as we play the odds ::)
You're making excuses for the criminals are accusing the one guy who did something about as reckless and irresponsible , fantastic logic. ::) you're using examples of what could have happened instead of what did ::) ::)
Your argument:
Everyone should have use their right to defend themselves at any time, even though that might start a gunfight. Victims are very likely to die if they don't fight back. Because the attacker initiated hostility any additional risk added by the victim is irrelevant. The victim will improve his chances of surviving enormously by fighting back. The attacker/robber almost always loses such a conflict.
Your argument also assumes that fighting back means you're not a bitch.
My argument is the guy in the video did nothing wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
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Very bad decision to exchange shots with them, specially considering the old man was outnumbered and probably untrained as well in a territory packed with innocent people. Thank God the two robbers were such of a pussies, otherwise it would be blood bath.
From one of my favourite books:
Weapons are tools of ill omen. War is a grave matter; one is apprehensive lest men embark upon it without due reflection.
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Funny you should mention this, cause this guy not only prevented a robbery by being brave but he also is responsible for bringing down the crime rate, the more people like this spring up into action the better the overall results are. Your logic is based on speculation that someone could have gotten hurt, how about speculating that if the guy had not have stopped them, these 2 guys would have been trigger happy and shot someone, who's to say, your logic is flawed.
Again, there are no certainties when it comes to these type of situations. But just consider the robbery to robbery-murder ratio, assuming that the victim does nothing to fight back in both categories. Which one happens more frequently if you were to make an educated guess?
The discussion have come to the point where only real solid statistics can advice us on what actions are likely to lead to certain outcomes. My own personal guess is just as worthless as anyone else's here.
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Well they both are different ways of dying with one being way more likely than the other, but for some reason you care A LOT more about the one that is LESS likely. Why? It couldn't possibly be pride, right?
Lol @ pride. No, when someone is robbing you with a firearm, the chance he's going to blast you is always there. If I have the opportunity to kill him 1st, Im going to. Why? To DENY him the opportunity to kill me.
You'd be happy standing there giving him every opportunity to kill.
Not me.
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Your ' argument ' was just proven to be null and void , watch the video again. Your ' argument ' laments on how someone who doesn't want to take a chance with his life is putting people at risk while the guys who initiated the whole scenario aren't as long as we play the odds ::)
You're making excuses for the criminals are accusing the one guy who did something about as reckless and irresponsible , fantastic logic. ::) you're using examples of what could have happened instead of what did ::) ::)
My argument is the guy in the video did nothing wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.
To be quite honest, I thought that you'd realize by now that the discussion is more a general one and doesn't entirely depend on the what happened in the video.
But sure, all went "well" in that video. Great. I'll admit that.
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Very bad decision, specially considering the old man was outnumbered and probably untrained as well in a territory packed with innocent people. Thank God the two robbers were such of a pussies, otherwise it would be blood bath.
From one of my favourite books:
Actually, he made a great choice. One was preoccupied, the other was trying to cover a roomful of people at once. Wait till he's looking the other way, draw and aim, fire, knock down one and move to the next.
What he did was textbook perfect.
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Lol @ pride. No, when someone is robbing you with a firearm, the chance he's going to blast you is always there. If I have the opportunity to kill him 1st, Im going to. Why? To DENY him the opportunity to kill me.
You'd be happy standing there giving him every opportunity to kill.
Not me.
Maybe it's just my poor communication skills causing it but you're still not getting the argument.
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Maybe it's just my poor communication skills causing it but you're still not getting the argument.
dont waste time with people that dont believe in simple math.
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Again, there are no certainties when it comes to these type of situations. But just consider the robbery to robbery-murder ratio, assuming that the victim does nothing to fight back in both categories. Which one happens more frequently if you were to make an educated guess?
The discussion have come to the point where only real solid statistics can advice us on what actions are likely to lead to certain outcomes. My own personal guess is just as worthless as anyone else's here.
I agree in 1 single robbery that statistic can be measured in your favour, however there are more variables to consider here, how about if this is their 7th arm robbery, do you think they will ever do another one?, No fucken way, so say in their lifetime they would have done another ten, so this guy just prevented another 10 robberies. Now let's compare what is more likely; someone gets hurt in 1 robbery that has a guy fight back or someone gets hurt in 10 robberies where no one fights back, I think the 10 robberies would yield more potential harm.
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Your ' argument ' was just proven to be null and void , watch the video again. Your ' argument ' laments on how someone who doesn't want to take a chance with his life is putting people at risk while the guys who initiated the whole scenario aren't as long as we play the odds ::)
You're making excuses for the criminals are accusing the one guy who did something about as reckless and irresponsible , fantastic logic. ::) you're using examples of what could have happened instead of what did ::) ::)
My argument is the guy in the video did nothing wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.
Most of this post is just us running around in circles but I will point out that the robbers didn't shoot or seriously hurt anyone. The old guy DID, though. That doesn't mean that robbers aren't scumbags though, you know very well I'm not that fucking dumb so don't go there.
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Have you guys ever been robbed? It's way different than what it's shown on TV and trying to be an hero is def stupid. You'll be safer if they get the money and run away, rather than acting like a brave moron.
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I agree in 1 single robbery that statistic can be measured in your favour, however there are more variables to consider here, how about if this is their 7th arm robbery, do you think they will ever do another one?, No fucken way, so say in their lifetime they would have done another ten, so this guy just prevented another 10 robberies. Now let's compare what is more likely; someone gets hurt in 1 robbery that has a guy fight back or someone gets hurt in 10 robberies where no one fights back, I think the 10 robberies would yield more potential harm.
You may not like it, but the job of preventing those crimes belongs to the society bringing those thugs up, and the police. Your argument kinda makes sense at first glance but when you think about it you realize it's quite unreasonable to suggest that people should start executing each other in order to prevent "potential" crime.
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Have you guys ever been robbed? It's way different than what it's shown on TV and trying to be an hero is def stupid. You'll be safer if they get the money and run away, rather than acting like a brave moron.
Have you? I have, by someone with a knife, and they didnt get anything. Not because I pulled my gun (as I didnt have it on me, never again), but because I stood my ground and refused to give him shit.
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Most of this post is just us running around in circles but I will point out that the robbers didn't shoot or seriously hurt anyone. The old guy DID, though. That doesn't mean that robbers aren't scumbags though, you know very well I'm not that fucking dumb so don't go there.
They didn't have time ;)
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I'll bend over any day of the week if it means that myself and others are less likely to get fucking shot.
Trigger-happy morons.
you are a pussy fag
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Most of this post is just us running around in circles but I will point out that the robbers didn't shoot or seriously hurt anyone. The old guy DID, though. That doesn't mean that robbers aren't scumbags though, you know very well I'm not that fucking dumb so don't go there.
The dude shot 2 robbers, who fucking cares. Playing by your "what ifs", if he hadn't shot them, maybe they would have shot someone else and KILLED them? What then?
We could go round and round.
We get it, you prefer to let them do their business and hope they arent psychopaths - and thats your choice. Im not going to do that, statistics be damned.
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You may not like it, but the job of preventing those crimes belongs to the society bringing those thugs up, and the police. Your argument kinda makes sense at first glance but when you think about it you realize it's quite unreasonable to suggest that people should start executing each other in order to prevent "potential" crime.
There was NO ' potential ' crime there was in fact a very major and serious crime being committed , Armed robbery is MAJOR shit and again wait for the cops and become a statistic or be proactive and learn to protect yourself
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They didn't have time ;)
*sigh*
Neither you or I know what would have happened if the old fart didn't whip out a gun. Don't pretend like you do. It's not even an argument. The robbery to robbery-murder ratio is definitely something to consider, though.
You come across as a good and smart guy in every other thread but right now you seem like a stubborn idiot to me and I'm sure it's also the other way around to you. I'm going to bed now which is probably for the better.
Lets just hope that none of us will find ourselves in a spot where we have to make a life and death decision in a split second.... It's not fun, no matter where you're coming from.
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There was NO ' potential ' crime there was in fact a very major and serious crime being committed , Armed robbery is MAJOR shit and again wait for the cops and become a statistic or be proactive and learn to protect yourself
You do what is necessary in the here and now, any consideration of any potential future crimes should not be a factor in your decision to shoot them or not. Do you honestly think I'm retarded? It's fine if you think I'm are, I'm just trying to understand your thought process trying to argue with me.
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Have you? I have, by someone with a knife, and they didnt get anything. Not because I pulled my gun (as I didnt have it on me, never again), but because I stood my ground and refused to give him shit.
I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.
It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer to do nothing.
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I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.
It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer to do nothing.
I know it was a terrible idea, but thats how I handled it. Fight or flight reaction, I guess.
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VERY rarely do you see bad guys in Florida come running into a place with guns, shouting at a crowd. Too many people with carry perrmits who will just start shooting.
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Neither you or I know what would have happened if the old fart didn't whip out a gun. Don't pretend like you do. It's not even an argument. The robbery to robbery-murder ratio is definitely something to consider, though.
You come across as a good and smart guy in every other thread but right now you seem like a stubborn idiot to me and I'm sure it's also the other way around to you. I'm going to bed now which is probably for the better.
Lets just hope that none of us will find ourselves in a spot where we have to make a life and death decision in a split second.... It's not fun, no matter where you're coming from.
Neither you or I know what would have happened if the old fart didn't whip out a gun. Don't pretend like you do. It's not even an argument. The robbery to robbery-murder ratio is definitely something to consider, though.
That's a double edge sword , you and I don't know what would have happened if he didn't. Don't pretend like you do. What is something to consider is we know what did transpire and your hypothetical situation did not.
You come across as a good and smart guy in every other thread but right now you seem like a stubborn idiot to me and I'm sure it's also the other way around to you. I'm going to bed now which is probably for the better.
Let me apologize for being harsh with you and calling you names. But from my prospective I cherish life and don't want to chance it on the whims of armed men , the fact that you do and put your fate in the hands of people who would show such disregard for fellow humans astounds me. I don't have a problem with you not wanting to take matters in your own hands but I do have a problem with you claiming it's wrong for others to make that choice for themselves and basing it off of what may have happened or what could have happened
Again I apologize for being an asshole.
Lets just hope that none of us will find ourselves in a spot where we have to make a life and death decision in a split second.... It's not fun, no matter where you're coming from.
I agree
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well, truth be told way too many idiots with guns roaming the streets. but fuck would I LOVE to be in a situation where I happened to be packin and some motherfuckers tried to rob me or a store I was in like the old timer. \... A dream come true, just to see the look on their face hahahahahah priceless.
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go down fighting on your feet not on your knees.
love monkey loves the cock
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
That's very immature and foolish.
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matlock bustin caps 8)
Check this one out; Columbus, Ohio.
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VERY rarely do you see bad guys in Florida come running into a place with guns, shouting at a crowd. Too many people with carry perrmits who will just start shooting.
Crime rates are shown to drop in CCW states aren't they.
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When are you trigger-happy morons going to realize that it's all about random chance and probabilities? Just because you try to be a hero doesn't necessarily mean you'll be considered one after it's all said and done. The robbery in the video could have gone either way. If those robbers were on drugs or just more aggressive a lot of people could have been fucking killed thanks to that old fart. If he wouldn't have whipped his gun out the robbers most likely would have taken the stuff they wanted and then left.
It's not about who's the victim or the bitch, honestly who gives a flying fuck about that when it comes to human lives being at risk? It's so obvious that you guys are thinking with your BALLS and then use your brains to construct some delusional self-serving arguments to make your balls even bigger.
The robbers don't give a shit about my rights? Fine, they can have my wallet, I don't care.
Did you shitstain know that people who carry weapons actually spend a lot of time training with them and are taught how to use them in different environments, their ballistic, penetration capacities thru different obstacles etc. Obviously not. Cause you re a cock sucking homosexual. Just because you wouldnt be able to do shit with a handgun doesnt mean those who carry them dont.
A gun is just like a knife, an axe, car, stone or a fucking stick, it's a tool. How it's going to be used solely depend of what is in the mind of the human that carries it.
Again, attempting to shoot down TWO armed robbers in a building full of innocent people is nothing but sheer stupidity.
only one had a handgun that could be fake and recognized as being so easily for a trained eye especially at close range, and the other only carried a fucking lame baseball bat. Get the fuck out of this thread, you re making no sense at all.
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Did you shitstain know that people who carry weapons actually spend a lot of time training with them and are taught how to use them in different environments, their ballistic, penetration capacities thru different obstacles etc. Obviously not. Cause you re a cock sucking homosexual. Just because you wouldnt be able to do shit with a handgun doesnt mean those who carry them dont.
A gun is just like a knife, an axe, car, stone or a fucking stick, it's a tool. How it's going to be used solely depend of what is in the mind of the human that carries it.
only one had a handgun that could be fake and recognized as being so easily for a trained eye especially at close range, and the other only carried a fucking lame baseball bat. Get the fuck out of this thread, you re making no sense at all.
lol
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the funny thing in those real life shooting videos...
1) how often people take false cover, like hiding behind a glass shelf.
2) how often the shooter doesn't realize it's false cover, and will fail to shoot thru it.
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I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.
It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer to do nothing.
Why aren't you guys calling el numero a giant pussy? What a fag he is for not fighting back, right?
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I'm trying to find some real statistics on this issue and came across this from the FBI website:
"Injuries, Deaths, and Hostages Taken
Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011 (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011)
Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is.
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I'm not sure if the author of this article has any particular bias when it comes to guns but I found this to be interesting:
"Simple Survival Steps
To make the best of a bad situation, think along the following lines:
My money is insured, the only thing at risk is my safety (see below)
Let the guy have what he wants, the sooner he gets it the sooner hell go away
Hes probably done this before or hell do it again the more often he does it the better his chances of getting caught
Although it may be difficult to control your anger in such a situation (after all, you have to work for a living dont you?), the best thing is to just get the robber out of there so that everybody is safe. Desperation leads to bank robberies, and you dont want to mess with a desperate and scared person.
Bank Robbery Heroes
Every law enforcement official will tell you the same thing: the most heroic act you should take in a bank robbery is noticing any details about the robber. You should not try to stop the robbery by force. Keep in mind that an increasing number of bank robbers are using powerful drugs (cocaine and methamphetamine) during the time of the robbery. You dont want to take chances with an intoxicated person in a desperate situation its simply not worth all of the money in the world.
If you notice that a bank robbery is in progress, simply get some details on the robber that you can pass on to the police. Some helpful information:
Clothing look for layers under the visible layer (the outer layer will come off)
Physical characteristics height, weight, eyes, hair, mannerisms, scars/tattoos
Automobile description (not the most important since its probably stolen)
Direction of travel
Weapons the police need to know if the robber is armed
Remember that the bank robber is trying to avoid getting caught, and he probably knows what youre looking for. Therefore, do not stare at a bank robber. In fact, its best not to attract any attention to yourself. Simply follow instructions so that the robber can get out of there as soon as possible. Law enforcement will pursue the robber. Agitating a bank robber can result in harm to yourself and/or others."
http://banking.about.com/od/securityandsafety/a/bankrobbery.htm (http://banking.about.com/od/securityandsafety/a/bankrobbery.htm)
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That's very immature and foolish.
go down fighting on your feet not on your knees.
love monkey loves the cock
Lots of name calling and very little substance.
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Lots of name calling and very little substance.
This isn't "name calling", you are being immature and foolish. There's a lot more to this issue than whether or not you'll statistically be a victim of violence.
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Two center mass one in the head insures no repeat offenders
You know what we got here? Motherfucking Charlie Bronson.
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This isn't "name calling", you are being immature and foolish. There's a lot more to this issue than whether or not you'll statistically be a victim of violence.
Please do elaborate. From what I can gather I'm taking the stance that most police officers seem to advocate.
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Every law enforcement official will tell you the same thing: the most heroic act you should take in a bank robbery is noticing any details about the robber. You should not try to stop the robbery by force. Keep in mind that an increasing number of bank robbers are using powerful drugs (cocaine and methamphetamine) during the time of the robbery. You dont want to take chances with an intoxicated person in a desperate situation its simply not worth all of the money in the world.
Don't try to defend yourself, the cops will kill him when they attempt to arrest. Does that sum it up? :)
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love spunkey making a clown of himself in this thread
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From what I can gather I'm taking the stance that most police officers seem to advocate.
You're absolutely right about that, the FOP would ban all guns if they could.
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You're absolutely right about that, the FOP would ban all guns if they could.
Coming from a country where guns are quite rare(thankfully) I don't consider that to be a very bad idea quite frankly.
But then again america is quite different in a lot of aspects and it's way too late to try to severely restrict access to guns over there.
"Criminals don't care about permits blabla", don't worry I've heard it all before.
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Coming from a country where guns are quite rare(thankfully) I don't consider that to be a very bad idea quite frankly.
But then again america is quite different in a lot of aspects and it's way too late to try to severely restrict access to guns over there.
"Criminals don't care about permits blabla", don't worry I've heard it all before.
The 2nd Amendment isn't about self defense, or hunting. It's a check on the government.
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The 2nd Amendment isn't about self defense, or hunting. It's a check on the government.
Although irrelevant to this thread, hows the 2nd amendment working out for you guys? When was the last time it was used for its intended purpose?
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Individual freedom must actually still be a big deal in the United States (I was afraid it was a thing of the past). Whereas you foreigners always seem perfectly willing to sacrifice your own rights (financial freedom, right to defend yourself, freedom of speech) for what you believe to be "the greater good".
::)
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Individual freedom must actually still be a big deal in the United States (I was afraid it was a thing of the past). Whereas you foreigners always seem perfectly willing to sacrifice your own rights (financial freedom, right to defend yourself, freedom of speech) for what you believe to be "the greater good".
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That is very, VERY debateable. Ever been to scandinavia?
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Although irrelevant to this thread, hows the 2nd amendment working out for you guys? When was the last time it was used for its intended purpose?
What do you mean? We don't need another revolutions, it severs as a constant reminder to our government not to overstep their bounds.
60 million Americans own a combined arsenal of over 200 million firearms. Don't think this goes unnoticed.
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Lovemonkey is a homo, and too scared to do anything.
Of course you should do what's right if you are packing a gun when some savages try to rob your favorite internetcafe.
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Lovemonkey is a homo, and too scared to do anything.
Is that really what this thread is about? I swear some of you people wouldn't understand the real point of this discussion even if it hit you right in the face.
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What do you mean? We don't need another revolutions, it severs as a constant reminder to our government not to overstep their bounds.
They've already been doing that for quite some time now ???
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They've already been doing that for quite some time now ???
I wasn't aware
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This isn't a complex argument.
You don't mind the fact you have no right to defend yourself and your family. You would rather put your life in the hands of statistics, and the state. You obviously come from a country of slaves, that better obey, and do as they're told.
Were individuals, we're not over grown children that can't be trusted to defend ourselves and our communities. I doubt you'll find many incidents (if any) where an innocent person was injured or killed while exercising this right.
Why are you even debating it with us? You live your life your way, we'll live ares our way.
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Is that really what this thread is about? I swear some of you people wouldn't understand the real point of this discussion even if it hit you right in the face.
Just because people dont agree with you doenst mean we dont understand what youre getting at.
Some of prefer to be proactive and would rather take our lives into our own hands than leave it in the hands of some cracked out burglar.
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
You're the guy that did nothing on the plane during 9/11 and ended up in a trade tower because terrorists usually just land the plane and make demands.
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Hahaha Lovesmangoo has cemented his position as getbig's Bottom of the Week in this thread
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
Sounds like a guy that doesn't believe in the right to bear arms...You a yankee boy?
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Check this one out; Columbus, Ohio.
looked like the silly bastrd was trying to use his co-worker as a human shield. more luck than anything else that he didn't shoot the baby :-\
still! that chap won't be robbing that place ever again ;D
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Check this one out; Columbus, Ohio.
if it was me there with my baby i would have smashed the guys head in afterwards for starting to shoot just inches from my kid and used us as a shield. the woman could have taken one step to the side and the baby would have been a ex baby
.this is what lovemonkey is talking about. this could have gone so wrong. what if the robbers started panicking and started to spray with there guns around them when the old man started to shoot after them. his shots didnt take them down at once.
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if it was me there with my baby i would have smashed the guys head in afterwards for starting to shoot just inches from my kid and used us as a shield. the woman could have taken one step to the side and the baby would have been a ex baby
.this is what lovemonkey is talking about. this could have gone so wrong. what if the robbers started panicking and started to spray with there guns around them when the old man started to shoot after them. his shots didnt take them down at once.
LOOK!!! A F.AGGOT!!!!!!
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
Stfu.
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oh... it's "those" people again ::)
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LOOK!!! A F.AGGOT!!!!!!
;D
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Although irrelevant to this thread, hows the 2nd amendment working out for you guys? When was the last time it was used for its intended purpose?
You're a little bitch. You don't think people should have the right to defend themselves? What kind of man are you?
Guns are a great equalizer. A frail old woman can protect her life from multiple attackers that are bigger than her how is that not a great thing? I can rest assured knowing I have my glock under my bed. If some piece of shit tries to break into my house in the middle of the night when I'm at my most vunerable I will be able to protect myself and my loved ones. Guns are the great equalizer. Get that through your brain filthy hippy f.aggot.
Maybe if your girlfriend or mom gets raped or murdered in the middle of the night you will change your mind.
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I don't know the gentlemans background so maybe it was just blind luck the robbers were in the same area, and there were no bystanders in the line of fire or behind the robbers. But just based on the video it appears the gentleman knew what he was doing and did a great job. He had eyes on both of them. in critiqueing it, he gets high marks for balls and awareness of his targets. I'd have to mark him down for exposing himself so much and not seeking cover to fire from. With one robber he would have been fine engaging and closing in while firing, but with two.. it's a risk. Finally, after the thugs fled I would advise him to remain vigilant at the doorway as one might double back for some insane reason and want to come in blasting. Unlikely, but why risk it. Overall, well done.
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There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day ::) ::)
If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?
FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal.
If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.
What if that "fucker" asks for your wallet and tells you to bend over?
Then your loved ones are dead, you're broke, and their killer is balls deep in your "I'll gladly bend over any day" ass.
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You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?
But when a murdering crackhead has a gun pointed at your head while you're not in your car.....I'm pretty sure the probability of dying in traffic loses top billing.
I don't think you understand these "statistics" you speak of.
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I'm trying to find some real statistics on this issue and came across this from the FBI website:
"Injuries, Deaths, and Hostages Taken
Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011 (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011)
Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is.
Studies show that it drops to 0.0% after I shoot him in the face a few times.
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old fucker was probably surfing porn at the internet cafe
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I don't know the gentlemans background so maybe it was just blind luck the robbers were in the same area, and there were no bystanders in the line of fire or behind the robbers. But just based on the video it appears the gentleman knew what he was doing and did a great job. He had eyes on both of them. in critiqueing it, he gets high marks for balls and awareness of his targets. I'd have to mark him down for exposing himself so much and not seeking cover to fire from. With one robber he would have been fine engaging and closing in while firing, but with two.. it's a risk. Finally, after the thugs fled I would advise him to remain vigilant at the doorway as one might double back for some insane reason and want to come in blasting. Unlikely, but why risk it. Overall, well done.
Agree on all counts, but not a lot of cover to be had without endangering bystanders, not to mention only one of the robbers had a firearms, and the other was preoccupied.
Id say near flawless on his part.
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Studies show that it drops to 0.0% after I shoot him in the face a few times.
AMEN!
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Perhaps we all need to take a step back and learn from the master.
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First this;
"Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies [/font] that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."
and then this;
"Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is."
My observation- The first paragraph includes burglaries, which for the most part, no one is present but the burglar. Larcenies that is a fancy word for theft, which can be shoplifting, bad checks etc... Then the second paragraph makes the 5,086 incidents into "bank robberies"... kind of confusing for me...
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This isn't a complex argument.
You don't mind the fact you have no right to defend yourself and your family. You would rather put your life in the hands of statistics, and the state. You obviously come from a country of slaves, that better obey, and do as they're told.
You're still playing the statistics games even if you decide to defend yourself. This is probably the main issue you guys aren't getting through your thick skulls. Pulling out a gun is absolutely no guarantee that you and those around you are safe all of the sudden.
Why are you even debating it with us? You live your life your way, we'll live ares our way.
Probably one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen posted on a >>DISCUSSION FORUM<<
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First this;
"Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies [/font] that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."
and then this;
"Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is."
My observation- The first paragraph includes burglaries, which for the most part, no one is present but the burglar. Larcenies that is a fancy word for theft, which can be shoplifting, bad checks etc... Then the second paragraph makes the 5,086 incidents into "bank robberies"... kind of confusing for me...
All those numbers are from the page "Bank Crime Statistics". Not sure why there would be any reason to interpret it in any other way.
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Pulling out a gun is absolutely no guarantee that you and those around you are safe all of the sudden.
We all understand that fact.
You're the one missing the point here.
I just assumed after you looked like a horses ass eleven times in a row you would back off.
You have more heart than most getbiggers. :P
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Sounds like a guy that doesn't believe in the right to bear arms...You a yankee boy?
No I'm not(duh!).
I'm not necessarily against the right to bear arms(especially in the states) but I also think it comes with great responsibility. If you pull out a gun at a robbery scene you better know what the hell you're doing and not expose innocent bystanders to additional risks, given that a large majority of robberies don't end up with people dead to begin with.
If it's just you and the robber in the area then by all means, knock yourself out.
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No I'm not(duh!).
I'm not necessarily against the right to bear arms(especially in the states) but I also think it comes with great responsibility. If you pull out a gun at a robbery scene you better know what the hell you're doing and not expose innocent bystanders to additional risks, given that a large majority of robberies don't end up with people dead to begin with.
If it's just you and the robber in the area then by all means, knock yourself out.
Are we missing something here? When was a gun legally pulled in self defense that something went wrong? This doesn't ever happen as far as I know?
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Six pages over a non-issue, our right to self defense got you butt hurt?
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Some of prefer to be proactive and would rather take our lives into our own hands than leave it in the hands of some cracked out burglar.
That all sounds good and well but at some point you guys need to bring some sort of evidence to the table that your plan of action is the one that actually insures that the victim has a better chance of surviving.
Two examples:
1) You and your friends are in a dark alley and all of the sudden some crackhead pulls a a gun on you and asks for your wallets. You're dumbfounded and really don't have much time to do anything than to just simply comply with the robber. Pulling out a gun would be very risky since he's already pointing a gun at you.
2) You're on Utøya at the time of the Breivik shooting. People are being massacred and he shows no signs of stopping. Pulling a gun is risky but I'd say almost mandatory in this case.
There's a time and place for everything, but you guys make it sound that one should always pull a gun if facing a serious threat.. I don't agree with that.
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Everyone I know with a concealed carry permit (no permit should be required as in AZ, AK, VT, and WY) takes the same tactical classes the Sheriff's department takes, taught by law enforcement.
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I'm still curious why the other people that share my view on this aren't being called faggots. I understand that I've been made some type of bottom bitch here apparently(oh brother) but still, my stance doesn't differ much from Bam Bam's and Mensa Bob's for example... not to mention el numero uno who has actually been robbed at gunpoint.
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I'm still curious why the other people that share my view on this aren't being called faggots. I understand that I've been made some type of bottom bitch here apparently(oh brother) but still, my stance doesn't differ much from Bam Bam's and Mensa Bob's for example... not to mention el numero uno who has actually been robbed at gunpoint.
Maybe it's because they have their opinions, yet they're not willing to go so far as to be ass raped like you are? ???
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Maybe it's because they have their opinions, yet they're not willing to go so far as to be ass raped like you are? ???
I was called a fa.ggot, pussy and pansy right after my first post.
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I was called a fa.ggot, pussy and pansy right after my first post.
Welcome to getbig? ;D
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I stopped reading when the second page started. Jeez :-\.
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I'm still curious why the other people that share my view on this aren't being called faggots. I understand that I've been made some type of bottom bitch here apparently(oh brother) but still, my stance doesn't differ much from Bam Bam's and Mensa Bob's for example... not to mention el numero uno who has actually been robbed at gunpoint.
Fuck the name calling, when that starts you should be flattered ;)
anyway, can you post a few examples of someone in the crowd getting injured in a shootout cause of a hero shooting at the criminal cause I can't seem to find any.
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I was called a fa.ggot, pussy and pansy right after my first post.
Probably because they stated their opinion in a way that didnt make them sound like a cowering vagina.
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looked like the silly bastrd was trying to use his co-worker as a human shield. more luck than anything else that he didn't shoot the baby :-\
still! that chap won't be robbing that place ever again ;D
I didn't see that at all. Looked like he was trying to get the jump on the robber more than anything and there was zero chance of him shooting the baby. Sometimes that split second makes all the difference in the world. That dude stepped the fuck up in that situation. Gotta give him respect.
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Sorry can't hear you.
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I didn't see that at all. Looked like he was trying to get the jump on the robber more than anything and there was zero chance of him shooting the baby. Sometimes that split second makes all the difference in the world. That dude stepped the fuck up in that situation. Gotta give him respect.
Hey man since I lost your respect I don't know what to do anymore. It feels like my balls have been ripped off and I can't even look at myself in the mirror. I'm seriously contemplating suicide.. but I'm too big of a pussy to actually do it.
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For those that don't know, dear polycock here sent me a pm out of nowhere telling me how he's lost all his respect for me due to this thread. First off, I had no idea he had any respect for me at all and I guess it's a backhanded compliment in a way. Second, what kind of person goes through the trouble of sending a pm to an anonymous poster on a message board to tell him that he lost all "respect" for him? LMAO!
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:'(
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Fuck the name calling, when that starts you should be flattered ;)
anyway, can you post a few examples of someone in the crowd getting injured in a shootout cause of a hero shooting at the criminal cause I can't seem to find any.
One thing that tells me that I'm doing something right at least is that I've been called pretty much every dirty word in the book, except for a troll. If I was consciously trolling I'd say I've done a damn good job at it ;D
You know what, I'm having trouble finding examples of that myself. There are two possible explanations for that, that I can think of:
1) Such statistics and examples are really hard to find because it's such a rare event. A majority of robberies take place without the victim putting up any significant resistance(like numero el uno). It's a pretty long sequence of events that have to take place in for such an event to occur. Even if they do happen occasionally the number/statistics might be buried somewhere on an obscure government website and I haven't done enough googling to find them. One thing we can do to get closer to the truth is to compare various crime statistics between Florida and Norway and see if victims seem to stand a larger chance of survival in Florida's case for example. It wouldn't be totally scientific research by any stretch of the imagination but could at least provide a hint.
2) I'm completely wrong. I'll admit I'm fallible(just like everyone else here) but to convince myself of that I'd like to see some real evidence, perhaps from 1).
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:'(
FYI if you haven't read the thread I don't care much for the suspect but I do care about the victims chance of survival... weak, try again.
And you might wanna work on your paint/photoshop skills a bit too. The picture is tiny.
EDIT: Nvm
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FYI if you haven't read the thread I don't care much for the suspect but I do care about the victims chance of survival... weak, try again.
And you might wanna work on your paint/photoshop skills a bit too. The picture is tiny.
FYI The pic is fixed and it wasn't directed at you. I haven't been following the thread but could guess the back and forth. ;D
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was that old dude the shooter know as clint eastwood<?took ages gettin the bullet out. :'(
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One thing that tells me that I'm doing something right at least is that I've been called pretty much every dirty word in the book, except for a troll. If I was consciously trolling I'd say I've done a damn good job at it ;D
You know what, I'm having trouble finding examples of that myself. There are two explanations for that, that I can think of:
1) Such statistics and examples are really hard to find because it's such a rare event. A majority of robberies take place without the victim putting up any significant resistance(like numero el uno). It's a pretty long sequence of events that have to take place in for such an event to occur. Even if they do happen occasionally the number/statistics might be buried somewhere on a obscure government website and I haven't done enough googling to find them. One thing we can do to get closer to the truth is to compare various crime statistics between Florida and Norway and see if victims seem to stand a larger chance of survival in Florida's case for example. It wouldn't be totally scientific research by any stretch of the imagination but could at least provide a hint.
2) I'm completely wrong. I'll admit I'm fallible(just like everyone else here) but to convince myself of that I'd like to see some real evidence, perhaps from 1).
you're getting a bit of a kicking here aren't ya, mate ! ;D
don't worry.. your argument is more than valid..
the old fella, though brave, was fortunate that only one of them was armed. i'm willing to bet that he had absolutely no idea if the second scumbag had a gun or not.
i suspect that if he (the second robber) was armed, the old gadgy would been non the wiser and still gone in gun blazing and we'd probably be talking about a body count now instead
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One thing that tells me that I'm doing something right at least is that I've been called pretty much every dirty word in the book, except for a troll. If I was consciously trolling I'd say I've done a damn good job at it ;D
You know what, I'm having trouble finding examples of that myself. There are two possible explanations for that, that I can think of:
1) Such statistics and examples are really hard to find because it's such a rare event. A majority of robberies take place without the victim putting up any significant resistance(like numero el uno). It's a pretty long sequence of events that have to take place in for such an event to occur. Even if they do happen occasionally the number/statistics might be buried somewhere on an obscure government website and I haven't done enough googling to find them. One thing we can do to get closer to the truth is to compare various crime statistics between Florida and Norway and see if victims seem to stand a larger chance of survival in Florida's case for example. It wouldn't be totally scientific research by any stretch of the imagination but could at least provide a hint.
2) I'm completely wrong. I'll admit I'm fallible(just like everyone else here) but to convince myself of that I'd like to see some real evidence, perhaps from 1).
The combination of this^^^ and Stella's post below
Years ago a friend's girlfriend was in a store w/her friend and 2 guys came in and robbed it, ordered them and an employee to lie on the floor and shot them each in the back of the head.
Executed them.
It was then that I decided if something like that happened I would fight...although we never know what we would do until actually in that situation. Hope we never have to find out.
Is enough to conclude that it isn't any riskier to attack the criminals then it is to just submit and let the chips fall where they may.
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It's obviously up to each person to make that decision when it comes. I can invision times when I would not react with violence to address the threat based on the individual circumstances, and times when I would feel it is the best course of action. For me, it will be an "I'll know it when I see it" situation
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It's obviously up to each person to make that decision when it comes. I can invision times when I would not react with violence to address the threat based on the individual circumstances, and times when I would feel it is the best course of action. For me, it will be an "I'll know it when I see it" situation
x2, assess the situation, use good judgement, escalation of force, all that good shit.
The United States Marine Corps' "Continuum of Force" (found in MCRP 3-02B) documents the stages of Conflict escalation in combat for a typical subject. They are:
Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative).
The subject responds to and obeys verbal commands. He refrains from close combat.
Level 2: Resistant (Passive).
The subject resists verbal commands but complies to commands immediately upon contact controls. He refrains from close combat.
Level 3: Resistant (Active).
Initially, the subject physically resists commands, but he can be made to comply by compliance techniques; these include come-along holds, soft-handed stunning blows, and techniques inducing pain by joint manipulation and pressure points.
Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm).
The unarmed subject physically attacks his opponent. He can be controlled by certain defensive tactics, including blocks, strikes, kicks, enhanced pain compliance procedures, impact weapon blocks and blows.
Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force).
The subject has a weapon and will likely kill or injure someone unless controlled. This is only possible by lethal force, which possibly requires firearms or weapons.
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x2, assess the situation, use good judgement, escalation of force, all that good shit.
The United States Marine Corps' "Continuum of Force" (found in MCRP 3-02B) documents the stages of Conflict escalation in combat for a typical subject. They are:
Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative).
The subject responds to and obeys verbal commands. He refrains from close combat.
Level 2: Resistant (Passive).
The subject resists verbal commands but complies to commands immediately upon contact controls. He refrains from close combat.
Level 3: Resistant (Active).
Initially, the subject physically resists commands, but he can be made to comply by compliance techniques; these include come-along holds, soft-handed stunning blows, and techniques inducing pain by joint manipulation and pressure points.
Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm).
The unarmed subject physically attacks his opponent. He can be controlled by certain defensive tactics, including blocks, strikes, kicks, enhanced pain compliance procedures, impact weapon blocks and blows.
Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force).
The subject has a weapon and will likely kill or injure someone unless controlled. This is only possible by lethal force, which possibly requires firearms or weapons.
almost exactly what the police force teaches
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The combination of this^^^ and Stella's post below
Is enough to conclude that it isn't any riskier to attack the criminals then it is to just submit and let the chips fall where they may.
I could see how that might be enough to persuade or influence you but it's by no means conclusive or definitive. What you're basing your decision on is merely a quote of me yapping and Stella's anecdote(although tragic, it is fortunately not typical).
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x2, assess the situation, use good judgement, escalation of force, all that good shit.
The United States Marine Corps' "Continuum of Force" (found in MCRP 3-02B) documents the stages of Conflict escalation in combat for a typical subject. They are:
Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative).
The subject responds to and obeys verbal commands. He refrains from close combat.
Level 2: Resistant (Passive).
The subject resists verbal commands but complies to commands immediately upon contact controls. He refrains from close combat.
Level 3: Resistant (Active).
Initially, the subject physically resists commands, but he can be made to comply by compliance techniques; these include come-along holds, soft-handed stunning blows, and techniques inducing pain by joint manipulation and pressure points.
Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm).
The unarmed subject physically attacks his opponent. He can be controlled by certain defensive tactics, including blocks, strikes, kicks, enhanced pain compliance procedures, impact weapon blocks and blows.
Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force).
The subject has a weapon and will likely kill or injure someone unless controlled. This is only possible by lethal force, which possibly requires firearms or weapons.
Isn't it funny that after this heated discussion and poo flinging we're all pretty much on the same page ???
A lot of assumptions have been made by both sides.
That list you posted makes a lot of sense but my only question mark would be this part:
The subject has a weapon and will likely kill or injure someone unless controlled
How does one go about making that call? A lot of robbers wave their guns all over the place but don't even end up hurting a fly. Perhaps someone with a military background can fill in the blanks here?
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Isn't it funny that after this heated discussion and poo flinging we're all pretty much on the same page ???
A lot of assumptions have been made by both sides.
That list you posted makes a lot of sense but my only question mark would be this part:
How does one go about making that call? A lot of robbers wave their guns all over the place but don't even end up hurting a fly. Perhaps someone with a military background can fill in the blanks here?
I have a military background dingus.
Its generally up to your judgement (or the judgement of your superiors), if you feel the person has the possibility of using deadly force, thats what you go on.
And if someone is telling everyone not to move or they're getting shot - guess what - you respond with deadly force.
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I have a military background dingus.
Well then, would you mind filling in the blanks?
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Well then, would you mind filling in the blanks?
(Very) Generally speaking, if someone has a firearm and appears threatening, you kill them. Agnostic would probably be better seeing as how he is LE, and I was military.
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(Very) Generally speaking, if someone has a firearm and appears threatening, you kill them. Agnostic would probably be better seeing as how he is LE, and I was military.
That makes sense too but it's also precisely why I'd be so hesitant to do anything drastic. As you said, the guidelines are very general. It's so easy to misjudge and fuck things up in a situation like that. I would not feel confident pulling a gun unless I had some really extensive training(as in years of being a cop or military) and I'm able to read the situation really well. If I screw up in a situation like that and people get hurt because of it I'm fully responsible for it.
Even cops screw up, though. Not too long ago and not too far from where I currently live there was a robbery at a jewelry store and when the cops arrived at the scene the robbers had fled into a gym full of people. Apparently one of the robbers was carrying a pistol and all of the sudden 15-16 shots were fired.
Turns out that the robber was holding a flare gun and the cop had freaked out and emptied his entire clip into a gym full of innocent bystanders... thank goodness no one was hit. The cop is now under criminal investigation and I'd say rightly so. A lot of people could have died thanks to him. The shots were fired through a slightly tinted window so getting a really good aim must've been really difficult.
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That makes sense too but it's also precisely why I'd be so hesitant to do anything drastic. As you said, the guidelines are very general. It's so easy to misjudge and fuck things up in a situation like that. I would not feel confident pulling a gun unless I had some really extensive training(as in years of being a cop or military) and I'm able to read the situation really well. If I screw up in a situation like that and people get hurt because of it I'm fully responsible for it.
Even cops screw up, though. Not too long ago and not too far from where I currently live there was a robbery at a jewelry store and when the cops arrived at the scene the robbers had fled into a gym full of people. Apparently one of the robbers was carrying a pistol and all of the sudden 15-16 shots were fired.
Turns out that the robber was holding a flare gun and the cop had freaked out and emptied his entire clip into a gym full of innocent bystanders... thank goodness no one was hit. The cop is now under criminal investigation and I'd say rightly so. A lot of people could have died thanks to him. The shots were fired through a slightly tinted window so getting a really good aim must've been really difficult.
Freaked out? That is the problem right there, you have to remain calm and assess the situation without letting your emotions come into play. And he should never have blind fired into a tinted window.
Dude made many mistakes it sounds like.
Part of it is waiting for the right opportunity. Obviously if someone has a gun pointed to your head youre not going to try and draw your pistol.
Thats what the old man did right in the vid - rightfully assessed the bigger threat (only one had a firearm), waited for the targets attention to be elsewhere, engaged target one, once it appeared he was out of the fight, move on to target two.
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if you have a problem and no 1 else can help..then you can call .....the a team.shut up fool aint gettin on no plane.well done to gramps on that situation.cops and robbers
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if you have a problem and no 1 else can help..then you can call .....the a team.shut up fool aint gettin on no plane.well done to gramps on that situation.cops and robbers
Thanks I will remeber that.
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Haven't read the report, so all I can offer on the ancedotal cop freaked out story is... If after 15 shots, not one innocent bystander in a gym full of people was hit, I'd say it probably wasn't as outrageous as the story describes, but again, wasn't there.
I concur with YOUR personal decision to not get involved. The last thing I want in a volatile situation where a thug is armed with a gun is someone who isn't sure what to do, isn't aware of the risks, has no training or experience, to feel they have to do SOMETHING and then get someone, most likely themselves, seriously hurt or killed. Disgregard that statement if we are on a hijacked plane with terrorist, but for your "typical" robbery scenario, yeah, unless shots are being fired by the suspect, remain calm, make a note of clothing, description, distinguishing marks or tattoos for later. Be a good witness in other words.
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Too bad this guy wasn't at the Batman premeire.
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Too bad this guy wasn't at the Batman premeire.
This guy had been asleep 5 hrs by then..
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Watchin that old guy spring into action with his gun reminded me of The Major in Fawlty towers getting his shotgun to shoot a rat he has seen in the bar.
Basil Fawlty thinks he is looking for Germans, especially when The Major describes his target as "Vermin".
:D :D
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wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.
Hey you stupid fuck. Watch the clip again and see how carefully and calm this old geek is while he makes new holes in to those fuckers. There is no panic, he is aiming and shooting calmly while those fuckers are in panic because their flesh feels the shots. When coward like that feels bullets hitting in his body, he runs without shooting back, because he is scared stiff and his muscles doesn't obey any other commands. Old geek has discipline, those wankers have guns but no discipline, so that old geek can empty his gun with no hurry while those assholes can only run and shit on themselves.
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The timing of this thread is absolutely impeccable.
Just last night I was out having fun with my friends and as we walk past a square some dudes in the distance yell out some chant for their favorite soccer team and I jokingly(or so I thought) yell out the chant for the competing team/club and one of the guys almost runs up to me and wants to fight. I definitely got the impression that he'd done it lots of times before, as he was most likely a soccer hooligan. Me having no interest in fighting some random dude on the streets calmly tried to explain that I wasn't there to fight and immediately he started pushing me. Good thing I was about 4 inches taller and had a weight advantage of about perhaps 30 lbs so it didn't affect me much but I started backing off and repeatedly saying that I have no interest in a fight. His buddy kept saying things that were supposed to aggravate both me and the attacker. He pushed me a couple of more times but then he finally backed off. Had I said one wrong word I'd probably be typing this with a black eye and some serious bruises, if not worse.
Moral of the story? This time being a total bitch saved MY day at least, although I was sorely tempted to let out my inner cave man and duke it out with that prick. I'm not the biggest fan of guns but I'm definitely gonna look into some sort of self defense, whether that'd be fighting classes or pepper spray or both. Next time someone approaches me like that, he won't get closer than a couple of feet that's for damn sure.
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The timing of this thread is absolutely impeccable.
Just last night I was out having fun with my friends and as we walk past a square some dudes in the distance yell out some chant for their favorite soccer team and I jokingly(or so I thought) yell out the chant for the competing team/club and one of the guys almost runs up to me and wants to fight. I definitely got the impression that he'd done it lots of times before, as he was most likely a soccer hooligan. Me having no interest in fighting some random dude on the streets calmly tried to explain that I wasn't there to fight and immediately he started pushing me. Good thing I was about 4 inches taller and had a weight advantage of about perhaps 30 lbs so it didn't affect me much but I started backing off and repeatedly saying that I have no interest in a fight. His buddy kept saying things that were supposed to aggravate both me and the attacker. He pushed me a couple of more times but then he finally backed off. Had I said one wrong word I'd probably be typing this with a black eye and some serious bruises, if not worse.
Moral of the story? This time being a total bitch saved MY day at least, although I was sorely tempted to let out my inner cave man and duke it out with that prick. I'm not the biggest fan of guns but I'm definitely gonna look into some sort of self defense, whether that'd be fighting classes or pepper spray or both. Next time someone approaches me like that, he won't get closer than a couple of feet that's for damn sure.
It only takes a second to flash an Iron and when you do, people will tend to not stick around.
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It only takes a second to flash an Iron and when you do, people will tend to not stick around.
If I have to reveal my firearm, Im shooting someone. I wouldnt show that Im armed until its beyond the point of no return.
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If I have to reveal my firearm, Im shooting someone. I wouldnt show that Im armed until its beyond the point of no return.
If someone pushes you aggressively several times, I`d say its time to get it out.
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If someone pushes you aggressively several times, I`d say its time to get it out.
It'd depend on whether he was armed, whether I could control/subdue him by hand, and whether I felt like my life was in danger.
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One funny thing I noticed is that all the adrenaline came afterwards when I was "safe". While he was pushing me I was as calm as a kitten. Overall I think that's a good thing, making me less prone to do stupid shit. The downside would be that when/if shit really does hit the fan adrenaline would probably be my best friend.
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One funny thing I noticed is that all the adrenaline came afterwards when I was "safe". While he was pushing me I was as calm as a kitten. Overall I think that's a good thing, making me less prone to do stupid shit. The downside would be that when/if shit really does hit the fan adrenaline would probably be my best friend.
You noticed the adrenaline afterwards is what happened. Usually in those situations, the adrenaline kicks in and your dont notice it due to the situation, and then afterwards is when you notice the effects. Its kind of funny that way.
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You noticed the adrenaline afterwards is what happened. Usually in those situations, the adrenaline kicks in and your dont notice it due to the situation, and then afterwards is when you notice the effects. Its kind of funny that way.
Yeah you're probably right, makes a lot of sense.
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