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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3650 on: April 22, 2013, 08:17:37 AM »
Yeah, the idiots were being fired upon and returned fire... friggin moron cops. They needed you out there to show them how to do it

Bullshit they were not being fired upon.  The boat owner said he went out to the boat and lifted the tarp and saw the kid laying in the boat injured.  The kid didn't want to leave so the owner went and called the cops. Why didn't he shoot the boat owner?  The only gun fire heard was about 2 dozen shots from an automatic weapon fired by the cops.

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3651 on: April 22, 2013, 08:18:48 AM »
Like a qualified foil hat moron, you link the worst picture about the boat, not realizing that it isn't only picture they have about it. This one you see white dots all over the hull of the boat, and that other picture you don't even see the hull.  If suspect is INSIDE the boat, why they would shoot at the deck of the boat? Hey genius, there is no reason at all, so could that be the reason why the deck has no bullet holes in it? There is a link for the real size picture from same source you used. Why didn't you use this picture? BECAUSE THERE IS VISIBLE BULLET HOLES, AND THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH YOUR LIES.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/22/article-2312486-196C026A000005DC-61_964x578.jpg
Those aren`t bullet holes genius.  

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3652 on: April 22, 2013, 08:18:57 AM »
My years salary against your porn collection they didnt..

So he was able to crawl out, was conscious when they arrested him then sometime during the ambulance ride to the hospital ride he went into a coma?

Fuck no, you ain't getting my porn. :P

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3653 on: April 22, 2013, 08:19:23 AM »
Bullshit they were not being fired upon.  The boat owner said he went out to the boat and lifted the tarp and saw the kid laying in the boat injured.  The kid didn't want to leave so the owner went and called the cops. Why didn't he shoot the boat owner?  The only gun fire heard was about 2 dozen shots from an automatic weapon fired by the cops.

I forgot, you know it all.

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3654 on: April 22, 2013, 08:22:12 AM »
I couldn't testify to it in court, but those look like bullet holes

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3655 on: April 22, 2013, 08:26:35 AM »
Go to the politics board - I have had the info since last week.  Obama is full cover up mode to protect that saudis

Did he name the Saudi? Pics of this Saudi he is referring to???

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3656 on: April 22, 2013, 08:28:09 AM »
Did he name the Saudi? Pics of this Saudi he is referring to???

yes - go to pol board

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3657 on: April 22, 2013, 08:31:46 AM »
All normal officers were asked to fall back and let Special SWAT take over.  On the Scanner SWAT was to use Dummy Rounds and nothing else.  The Scanner also stated nobody is to fire anything.

Other weapons were on standby but were not used.  Dummy Rounds were used.

Blanks are cartridges without a projectile but have a primer and powder. Dummy rounds are inert rounds with no primer, no gun powder and a projectile marked to clearly indicate it is a dummy round. They are used for training.

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3658 on: April 22, 2013, 08:32:14 AM »
What does this mean? "There is going to be gas and dummy rounds fired into the boat."

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3659 on: April 22, 2013, 08:35:41 AM »
"Deploying gas into the boat"
"Dummy rounds will be fired"
"Don't fire unless fired upon"

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3660 on: April 22, 2013, 08:37:09 AM »
The kids mom was claiming the FBI was tracking her son for two years. Why would she say this?  The FBI is denying the claim.

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3661 on: April 22, 2013, 08:37:56 AM »
What does this mean? "There is going to be gas and dummy rounds fired into the boat."

Well, the gas is obvious, the dummy rounds is not so clear to me. If they were blanks, they couldn't be fired "into the boat" If they were dummy rounds in the commonly used term, they couldn't be fired at all. So at this point, I don't think anyone who wasn't there could tell us as it actually just doesn't make any sense. It could be the person relaying that specific information mistakenly used the term "dummy rounds" meaning some other sort of less lethal item.  

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3662 on: April 22, 2013, 08:39:35 AM »
The kids mom was claiming the FBI was tracking her son for two years. Why would she say this?  The FBI is denying the claim.


I think the Mom is saying "tracking" and the FBI has said they interviewed them. My guess is, Either mom is mistakenly using "tracking" to mean investigating or Mom may be exxagerating the FBI involvement for obvious reasons. 

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3663 on: April 22, 2013, 08:40:04 AM »
The kids mom was claiming the FBI was tracking her son for two years. Why would she say this?  The FBI is denying the claim.

The FBI intereviewed this guy 2 years ago after being warned by Russia.  More govt incompetence

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« Reply #3664 on: April 22, 2013, 08:40:44 AM »
"Deploying gas into the boat"
"Dummy rounds will be fired"
"Don't fire unless fired upon"

I'm as curious as the next guy because the term "dummy rounds" doesn't fit that scenario. Likely a misuse of the word  

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3665 on: April 22, 2013, 08:41:20 AM »

I think the Mom is saying "tracking" and the FBI has said they interviewed them. My guess is, Either mom is mistakenly using "tracking" to mean investigating or Mom may be exxagerating the FBI involvement for obvious reasons. 

She also said that the FBI interviewed her son after the bombing before they took off.  Who knows.  This whole thing is pretty chaotic.

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3666 on: April 22, 2013, 08:43:25 AM »
The FBI intereviewed this guy 2 years ago after being warned by Russia.  More govt incompetence

Sometimes, you just don't have it... I can equate child protective services investigating parents for abuse, who just don't have enough to make a case, and 2 yrs later Dad is convicted after obvious abuse is discovered. It wasn't so much about incompetence as it is not having enough, or credible evidence  in order to intervene. Having said that, It certainly could turn out to be incompetence, but at this moment, declaring either way is premature in my opinion

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3667 on: April 22, 2013, 08:44:33 AM »
Well, the gas is obvious, the dummy rounds is not so clear to me. If they were blanks, they couldn't be fired "into the boat" If they were dummy rounds in the commonly used term, they couldn't be fired at all. So at this point, I don't think anyone who wasn't there could tell us as it actually just doesn't make any sense. It could be the person relaying that specific information mistakenly used the term "dummy rounds" meaning some other sort of less lethal item.  
Rubber bullets would be my next guess.  I mean if they wanted to shoot him, they easily could have.  They had guys on the third floor of that house directly down him, guys on roofs of sheds, guys right in front of him.  Its not like they would miss.  If you listen to the video, tons of shots do go off. IF they were all real bullets, he would have easily been dead.


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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3668 on: April 22, 2013, 08:44:55 AM »
She also said that the FBI interviewed her son after the bombing before they took off.  Who knows.  This whole thing is pretty chaotic.

yes it is... lot of information to go through

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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3669 on: April 22, 2013, 08:45:28 AM »
Those aren`t bullet holes genius.  

Well, in your eyes they could look like assholes, but if you look at the bigger picture from the link, what are they? Nuts and bolts? Rivets in a side of the fiberglass boat? Why they are white in the red paint of the boat? My bet is bullet holes, because I know what the bullet hole look like. These ain't any Hollywood fake bullet holes, but real ones, you see. Here you can see bullet holes in the windshield and the front deck of the boat. You can also see that the boat is clean and shiny red, so why there would be white dots in that red paint, if it is something else than bullet holes?


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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3670 on: April 22, 2013, 08:45:34 AM »
Rubber bullets would be my next guess.  I mean if they wanted to shoot him, they easily could have.  They had guys on the third floor of that house directly down him, guys on roofs of sheds, guys right in front of him.  Its not like they would miss.  If you listen to the video, tons of shots do go off. IF they were all real bullets, he would have easily been dead. @1:10 in video.



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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3671 on: April 22, 2013, 08:46:56 AM »
How much did homeland security know about dead 'bomber?': Officials suspended 26-year-old's citizenship request over FBI interview

 Homeland Security had put a hold on Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev's U.S. citizenship application because of 2011 FBI interrogation

 Lawmakers have blasted the FBI's handling of Tsarnaev case claiming the agency should have done more
 Russia tipped FBI off to potential terrorist links but he was found to be clear of 'terrorism activity'
 South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham said agency 'dropped the ball' on several fronts
 
By Beth Stebner and Daily Mail Reporter
 
PUBLISHED:01:04 EST, 22 April 2013| UPDATED: 02:39 EST, 22 April 2013
 
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The Department of Homeland Security was dragging its feet on processing Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev's U.S. citizenship after a routine background check revealed he had been questioned by the FBI in 2011.
 
Tamerlan, 26, filed an application for citizenship six months ago but immigration officials had not yet made a decision on his case at the time of the Boston Marathon bombings.
 
Authorities knew the alleged bomber had a domestic violence charge on his record but the fact he had been grilled by federal agents is reportedly what threw up red flags, halting the progress of his application.
 
It's not clear what the 26-year-old, who was killed early Friday, was told about why his application was facing delays.
 









Pending: Homeland Security hadn't granted US citizenship to Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, pictured left in 2010, and right, last Monday, minutes before the attack

 









In custody: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, is in critical condition at a Boston hospital after he was discovered Friday evening hiding in a boat in Watertown

 




Official reported on Friday that the F.B.I. interviewed the older Tsarnaev brother in January 2011 at the request of the Russian government, which suspected that he had ties to Chechen terrorists.
 
They said this decision to delay his application proved his encounter with the F.B.I. did not go unnoticed by the Department of Homeland security.




 
 

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According to The New York Times, the terror suspect's application, presented on September 5, also prompted the FBI to do 'additional investigation' of him this year. They didn't reveal how far the probe had gone or what it covered.
 
Tamerlan's papers were submitted just days after his brother, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, had his own citizenship application approved.
 
According to the Times, officials with Homeland Security contacted the FBI late last year to learn more about its interview with the terror suspect and the agency reported its conclusion that he did not present a threat.


However, immigration officials did not move to approve or deny the application, choosing instead to leave it open for 'additional review.'

 
On Sunday, U.S. lawmakers from both parties criticized the FBI for failing to spot the extremist leanings of Tamerlan Tsarnaev and demanded to know why the agency did not at least follow up with the elder brother following a six-month trip to Russia in 2012.

 
Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-South Carolina) went so far as to say 'the ball was dropped' by the federal agency by either missing 'a lot of things' during their initial investigation of the suspect or did not allow investigators to 'follow up in a sound, solid way.'
 









Outspoken: New York Sen. Charles Schumer, left, D-New York, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, raised questions on CNN over the FBI's follow-up on the elder Tsarnaev brother

 
Under the barrage of attacks, the FBI has stood by their initial public statement issued earlier last week, which said that the agency closed their investigation on the ethnic Chechen in 2011 after failing to find any ‘terrorism activity, domestic or foreign.’
 
On Sunday, House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul wrote to the FBI and other officials asking why Tamerlan Tsarnaev did not raise suspicions after Russia asked the bureau to investigate him two years ago.
 
'Because if he was on the radar and they let him go, he's on the Russians' radar, why wasn't a flag put on him, some sort of customs flag?,' McCaul, a Texas Republican, said on CNN's 'State of the Union.’
 
'And I'd like to know what intelligence Russia has on him as well.'
 
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-New York) was largely supportive of the FBI’s efforts, but questioned why Tamerlan wasn’t interviewed upon his return from Russia, where he had been for six months in 2012.
 
‘There were things on his website that indicated that he had been radicalized,’ Schumer said. ‘I think there’s a lot of questions that have to be answered.’
 



Dwelling: The Tsarnaev brothers lived in this nondescript house in Cambridge, just across the river from Boston
 





Frequent: Tamerlan was said to often visit the Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, pictured
 
The FBI interviewed Tsarnaev in 2011, shortly after Russia's Federal Security Service asked the agency to look into him as a possible Islamist radical who might soon travel to Russia. It was unclear before yesterday which foreign country had tipped off the FBI.
 
When contacted, the FBI referred MailOnline to the statement it issued on April 19, saying the FBI’s search into Tamerlan’s records, travel history, and internet use yielded no results.
 
Meanwhile, the organization has vehemently refuting a claim by the mother of the Tsarnaev brothers who said the bureau had spoken to Tamerlan following the two bombs exploding at last Monday’s marathon.
 
FBI spokesman Michael Kortan told the Associated Press Sunday that the interviews in 2011 with Tamerlan and family members were the agency’s only contact with the bombing suspect. The Tsarnaev’s parents, who live in Russia,

Less than a year after the FBI interview, Tsarnaev did in fact travel to the volatile Dagestan region of southern Russia on a six-month trip out of the United States. Much of what Tsarnaev did on that trip is still a mystery to U.S. investigators, Reuters reported.
 
Neighbors contacted by Reuters say Tsarnaev spent at least a few weeks in Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim region in the North Caucasus mountains where Islamist militants have long been a thorn in the side of governments in Moscow.
 

Guarded: Police guard the entrance to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Saturday, where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is being treated, rooms away from 11 of the bombing victims
 



Critical: Tsarnaev, who was arrested Friday night, remains in critical condition under heavy guard after he was apprehended in Watertown
 



Republican Representative Peter King of New York told 'Fox News Sunday' he wondered why the FBI did not take more action after Tsarnaev returned to the United States last year and put statements on his website 'talking about radical imams.'
 
Tamerlan Tsarnaev was not put on any no-fly list of suspected terrorists, U.S. officials said. But his brush with the FBI did raise concerns when he applied for U.S. citizenship last year, a source close to the bombing investigation said.
 
Officials of the Homeland Security Department decided to give his application extra scrutiny because of the FBI interview and also due to an allegation against him of domestic abuse on a girlfriend in 2009, the source said. The citizenship application was still under consideration when Monday's bombing happened.
 
Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with U.S. police. and his brother Dzhokhar, 19, remained hospitalized in serious condition on Sunday, unable to speak. Three people were killed in Monday's bombing and 176 were injured.
 
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said 'the FBI or the system dropped the ball' on the elder Tsarnaev. Graham told CNN that U.S. laws do not allow the FBI to follow up enough even if it does spot danger.
 
Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York told CNN 'there's certainly a lot of questions' about the FBI's handling of the case.
 
One U.S. counterterrorism official urged perspective. 'If we thoroughly investigated every one of these terrorism tips we get, we'd never get anything done,' he said.
 
Captured: The FBI wanted poster released last night was updated to show that Dzhokhar was in custody
 




A senior U.S. law enforcement source said that the number of tips received from Russian intelligence to the FBI each year is 'not that many.'
 
But nationally, he said, the FBI receives at least 100 terrorism tips a day - from the public, local and state law enforcement, other federal agencies and the intelligence community.
 
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, a former FBI agent, defended the agency. The Michigan Republican said the FBI had performed a 'very thorough' review of the older brother in 2011, but then it failed to receive further cooperation from Russia.
 
'That case was closed prior to his travel, so I don't think we missed anything,' Rogers said on NBC's 'Meet the Press.'
 
'At some point they (the FBI) asked, is there more clarifying information, and never received that clarifying information, and at some point they have nothing. You can't ask them to do something with nothing,' Rogers said.
 
But McCaul and King said the handling of Tamerlan Tsarnaev's case looked like it was part of a pattern.
 

Open investigation: Law enforcement evidence technicians continue to investigate the scene of the Boston Marathon bombings on Saturday
 
The 26-year-old 'appears to be the fifth person since September 11, 2001, to participate in terror attacks despite being under investigation by the FBI,' the pair said in a joint letter.
 
They named the others as Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric and leader of al Qaeda's affiliate in Yemen who was killed in a U.S. drone strike; David Headley, an American who admitted scouting targets for a 2008 Islamic militant raid on Mumbai; Carlos Bledsoe, who killed an Army private outside a military recruiting office in Arkansas in 2009; and Nidal Hasan, who is accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009.
 
In addition, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to bring down a U.S. jetliner over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, had been identified to the CIA as a potential terrorist, the letter said, adding the cases 'raise the most serious questions about the efficacy of federal counterterrorism efforts.'
 
The McCaul-King letter asked for all information the U.S. government had on Tamerlan Tsarnaev before April 15. It was also addressed to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.


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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3672 on: April 22, 2013, 08:47:13 AM »
Sometimes, you just don't have it... I can equate child protective services investigating parents for abuse, who just don't have enough to make a case, and 2 yrs later Dad is convicted after obvious abuse is discovered. It wasn't so much about incompetence as it is not having enough, or credible evidence  in order to intervene. Having said that, It certainly could turn out to be incompetence, but at this moment, declaring either way is premature in my opinion

how many times have we heard about some cop going to a house for a domestic abuse phone call , checking out the scene and everything was normal and left to later find out the husband killed the wife?


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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3673 on: April 22, 2013, 08:49:52 AM »
Here is the complete Scanner Audio right before they got him.


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Re: Boston Bombing - Explosion at the Boston Marathon Finish Line
« Reply #3674 on: April 22, 2013, 08:51:36 AM »
Well, in your eyes they could look like assholes, but if you look at the bigger picture from the link, what are they? Nuts and bolts? Rivets in a side of the fiberglass boat? Why they are white in the red paint of the boat? My bet is bullet holes, because I know what the bullet hole look like. These ain't any Hollywood fake bullet holes, but real ones, you see. Here you can see bullet holes in the windshield and the front deck of the boat. You can also see that the boat is clean and shiny red, so why there would be white dots in that red paint, if it is something else than bullet holes?


Multiple Scratches from Flashbang debris perhaps.  Watch the video I posted and listen to the audio Scanner.