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not one single answer?
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don't know but all christians believe this ;D
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/10/evolution-vs-creationism-simpsons-style/&sa=U&ei=py7zT7jROKGU6wGm4NiqCA&ved=0CBYQtwIwAg&sig2=AZuDw286CjQtonEtQ2e3Pw&usg=AFQjCNEucBB4-ENirtDbSzdV-rh9e6C_6g
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I would have placed a link to a southpark clip about mormons which is fucking hilarious. but the fucking crybabies have made sure there is no link in the world available even for fair use laws such as this. ::)
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I just posted over on the Christian Mingle message boards about how concerned I was that one of those headcases is within reach of the Oval Office.
Wherefore art thou, Ron Paul and Virgil Goode?
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If that vid reflects what is in the Book Of Mormon, how do Mormons reconcile that they believe both the Bible and the Book of Mormon?
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Yes, my understanding is they believe that stuff.
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not one single answer?
Do you actually think anyone would admit to it? lol ;D
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indeed but is it any less credible than virgin birth, arising from the dead, parting the nile?
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LOL
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indeed but is it any less credible than virgin birth, arising from the dead, parting the nile?
Yes because Joseph Smith created this book and claimed it was of divine origin then someone brought a copy of an Egyptian text that no one could decipher to Smith and he ended up claiming he deciphered it using the same divine source
He spoke that the text was concerning Abraham while in Egypt and so on, several years later it turned out that 5 or 6 other guys have been working on the text and all came up with the proper decipher and all where in agreement that the text contained information on The Pharaohs and mummification and did not even mention Abraham, hence exposing him as a fraud.
He got caught red handed, this is exactly what Muhammad did with the Koran, he made it all up except Muhammad was not as dumb as Smith.
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^LOL at last line. You're a tool bro
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^LOL at last line. You're a tool bro
How does that make me a tool bro, serious, you want to get all emotional over my faith. I can not be a Christian if I believe that the Koran is not made up by a false prophet, it is impossible to be a Christian and think that the Koran is divine.
Your a loser for being so ignorant and you resort to name calling for someone believing what you don't believe, how does that make me a tool?
Guess what every Christian thinks the Koran is made up and every Christian thinks Muhammad is a false prophet, for crying out loud take it like a man. Deal with it you whiner
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According to the descriptions of a prophet in the old testament Muhammad (pbuh) fits the bill. Paul does not so who's the real fraud? Hence the Jews and Christians of Arabia recognizing him as such. The Jews that rejected him rejected him on the basis of race. They realized him to fit the criteria of a prophet and messenger of God but refused to accept him as he was not a jew. Although of course many rabbis did embrace Islam, but those that didn't didn't out of racial pride.
Besides Muhammad (pbuh) didn't go against the monotheistic foundations of all the prophets yet Paul did. Nor did he do anything for his own benefit, he didn't even leave anything for his family, he was not after this world. He suffered like all the prophets endured and suffered.
So when I take you to task about Paul i can prove he's a fraud by a number of different ways, but you cannot prove Muhammad (pbuh) as a 'false prophet' besides just saying it hence being a tool. Like you had to throw that in to get emotional satisfication (speaking of getting emotional).
This mormon dude was a fraud and he was exposed for being one plus according to this he is yet another polytheist.
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According to the descriptions of a prophet in the old testament Muhammad (pbuh) fits the bill. Paul does not so who's the real fraud? Hence the Jews and Christians of Arabia recognizing him as such. The Jews that rejected him rejected him on the basis of race. They realized him to fit the criteria of a prophet and messenger of God but refused to accept him as he was not a jew. Although of course many rabbis did embrace Islam, but those that didn't didn't out of racial pride.
Besides Muhammad (pbuh) didn't go against the monotheistic foundations of all the prophets yet Paul did. Nor did he do anything for his own benefit, he didn't even leave anything for his family, he was not after this world. He suffered like all the prophets endured and suffered.
So when I take you to task about Paul i can prove he's a fraud by a number of different ways, but you cannot prove Muhammad (pbuh) as a 'false prophet' besides just saying it hence being a tool. Like you had to throw that in to get emotional satisfication (speaking of getting emotional).
This mormon dude was a fraud and he was exposed for being one plus according to this he is yet another polytheist.
Bro we can go back and fourth for eternity and the argument won't end. I believe Jesus is the son of God and my saviour and you believe that Muhammad is a messenger of God, I get it but the disrespectful comments, you call me a tool cause of my faith.
like I said before you are a disgrace to Islam, bigbob shows his class and his honor, he would never call me a tool. He controls himself and he can take the hits and he dishes a good fight to, but at the end it is our faith that chooses our direction.
I will always say the Koran is a made up text and Muhammad is a false prophet because my faith requires me to do so but I would never tell someone they are a tool for their faith. Shame on you
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Your faith 'requires it to do so' ::)
Quite frankly you've shown you don't' even know the fundamentals of christian doctrine, you have resorted to pantheism. That's how far your beliefs are misguided.
As I've said the one you follow Paul, is a fraud as far as I'm concerned and by the standards of what the OT says about a prophet or a false prophet.
Muhammad (pbuh) on the other hand fits the criteria of a prophet according to the OT. You have not brought about any proof against him as you know the proofs are in Muhammad (pbuh)'s favor. People recognized him as such, you are just stating it out of emotional outburst.
Paul went against monotheism and Muhammad (pbuh) reaffirmed monotheism.
You are the one that's emotional, because that's all you have so I called you a tool for throwing in an emotional fit to 'satisfy' yourself at the end of that post. On top of that you say I am emotional lol, you are emotional when you had to add that line in. Again seeking gratification and satisfaction and now you're complaining :)
So no shame on you :) After all you said God can become satan, a tree, a picture, whatever. Seriously now. With your line of thought you could prove that God could become these 'aliens' like mormons describe.
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No I am not emotional and I do not care to argue with you cause it is official 99% of getbig has you tagged as a fundementalist and no one, no not even one here, takes you serious anymore, in fact you are just making a fool out of yourself and have been labeled ''the class clown".... Trust me you are in severe denial if you think anything other then this.
So stop giving your stupid vieww to me cause I do not care for them and I am not even reading your points anymore cause they lack any reasoning and I am not interested in your opinion and I will not debate with you anymore.
And I hold the position as well as every Christian on the planet that you learn from a made up text from a man pretending to be a prophet. I am not disrespecting you and I have nothing to be ashamed of by saying Muhammad is a false prophet, how else would you like me to word it. If you think that is being insulted and emotional then so be it, does not change my view that your whole religion is based on someones delusional thoughts, hey bro the truth is the truth.
By calling me a tool for my belief you prove you have no class.
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lol what is this grade 3? I am sorry you made me cry :'(
Your emotional post didn't prove Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet. :)
What proof do you have that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet? Speak it now.
You were speaking about the fraudulent mormon religion which yes has been proved a fraud and on top of that is polytheistic in nature. But then you had to add in a slur to satisfy your emotions. That is why I called you a tool.
Again your beliefs which are pantheistic, and not really christian, you could justify with your argument and logic that God could become these 'aliens' because you said God can become satan, tree, picture, man, etc... Your beliefs are not quite credible to the criteria in the OT now are they? You are prophesing pantheism, this is not even christian dogma.
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Typical arrogant Muslim behaviour
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So you have no proofs that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet? Besides your emotional fit?
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I can not be a Christian if I believe that the Koran is not made up by a false prophet, it is impossible to be a Christian and think that the Koran is divine.
Is there any Biblical scripture you can show to support your belief that the NT was to be the last revelation from God?
Secondly, this group of Christians' beliefs regarding Jesus and their interpretation of the Bible is consistent with what is taught in the Quran, making it not impossible for a Christian to believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God. (http://americanunitarian.org/explanation.htm)
One of the videos ahmed posted before was of Dr. Jerald Dirks (former minister and masters degreeholder in Divinity from Harvard), where he stated clearly that for many years he was a Christian while he still believed that Muhammad was a prophet of God.
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So you have no proofs that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet? Besides your emotional fit?
I gave you 1000's but you will not accept one because you are stubborn. I gave you proof there was a motive for starting a false religion, I gave you proof of all the key points of how incorrect your Koran is. Everyone saw this and everyone agreed with me but you. So what is the point, I can tell you the sky is blue and you will say no it is not, it;s green. I can say 2+2= 4 and you will say no it is not, it is 3.
I have unlimited work to do, I am up to my eye balls in work and behind, roofs that need to be done before the winter, why would I waste anymore time debating with an OX when I can be making money?
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Is there any Biblical scripture you can show to support your belief that the NT was to be the last revelation from God?
Secondly, this group of Christians' beliefs regarding Jesus and their interpretation of the Bible is consistent with what is taught in the Quran, making it not impossible for a Christian to believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God. (http://americanunitarian.org/explanation.htm)
One of the videos ahmed posted before was of Dr. Jerald Dirks (former minister and masters degreeholder in Divinity from Harvard), where he stated clearly that for many years he was a Christian while he still believed that Muhammad was a prophet of God.
Bro this is common sense, there is no need to argue this point bro. You can not be a Christian and believe the Koran to be divine, only a fool would believe other wise.
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What proof? Your magical thread about 'wild asses'.
What about the 'wild asses' that embraced Christianity? Are they still wild asses. Come on.. you have no tact man.
The one that's arrogant is you.
Bring me one proof right now in the next post so I can hear it. You have nothing but emotional fits, anger, and now you want to run because you have 'too much stuff to do'. Come on... fear God man.
And it's funny that you are using math to argue that we can't believe math in the proper way. Yet you believe God is three and one at the same time. Seriously, not just muslims but various other people have always found it funny that Christians can believe that 1=3 and still claim monotheism.
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What proof? Your magical thread about 'wild asses'.
What about the 'wild asses' that embraced Christianity? Are they still wild asses. Come on.. you have no tact man.
The one that's arrogant is you.
Bring me one proof right now in the next post so I can hear it.
Silence ;)
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So you have no proof only arrogance. Good job. I already knew as much :)
May God guide you and open your eyes.
The Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Whoever has pride in his heart equal to the weight of a mustard seed shall not enter Paradise.” Someone asked, “A person likes to wear beautiful clothes and fine shoes.” He replied, “Allah is beautiful and likes beauty. Pride means rejecting the truth and looking down on other people.” [Sahih Muslim]
Before Muhammad (pbuh) passed away he gave away what little he had. And he said, the poor will be the ones who enter heaven first.
If Muhammad (pbuh) was a false prophet he would have abused his power and harvested wealth yet he did not. He suffered to spread the message of monotheism as did his companions.
You have pride in your heart and I sincerely hope you can let go of it.
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Bro this is common sense, there is no need to argue this point bro. You can not be a Christian and believe the Koran to be divine, only a fool would believe other wise.
If it was common sense or even a simple fact then you could post some proof, but there is none, because its only a certain interpretation of the Bible (Trinity) which began 300+ years after Jesus died that conflicts with Islam's teachings of Jesus.
Otherwise, strictly going off the Bible there's no teachings within it that prevent followers from believing in Muhammad's prophethood, on the contrary, there is actually a lot of evidence that the Quran is a continuance of revelation from the same God which sent Jesus.
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If it was common sense or even a simple fact then you could post some proof, but there is none, because its only a certain interpretation of the Bible (Trinity) which began 300+ years after Jesus died that conflicts with Islam's teachings of Jesus.
Otherwise, strictly going off the Bible there's no teachings within it that prevent followers from believing in Muhammad's prophethood, on the contrary, there is actually a lot of evidence that the Quran is a continuance of revelation from the same God which sent Jesus.
Bro What I am talking about has nothing to do with the Trinity. Let's pretend you are right the Bible does not say Jesus and God are one, OK fine, but it still talks about salvation through Jesus and it still talks about the Resurrection.
A term "Christian" that we accept as someone who has accepted Jesus as saviour can not co exist with the Koran. One view is wrong, simple as that. OK let's just say Christian are wrong and Islam is right, still does not change the fact that You can not be a Christian and accept the Koran, they are conflicting views and that is what I am arguing about. There is no point in arguing what religion is right or wrong, you both know we will be going in circles for 100 years, but my position remains whether right or wrong, this is the faith I chose and it requires me to say Muhammad is a false prophet and the Koran is a made up text, why must I explain this, don't you get it.
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Bro What I am talking about has nothing to do with the Trinity. Let's pretend you are right the Bible does not say Jesus and God are one, OK fine, but it still talks about salvation through Jesus and it still talks about the Resurrection
Even that is debatable due to the conflicting and contradictory versions of the resurrection within the NT. The various contradictions and corruptions are the reason why God sent another revelation through prophet Muhammad, as predicted in the Bible as well.
A term "Christian" that we accept as someone who has accepted Jesus as saviour
Where did you get this definition from? Who defined it?
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I'm sorry Onetimehard. :'(
Have a lovely evening.
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Even that is debatable due to the conflicting and contradictory versions of the resurrection within the NT. The various contradictions and corruptions are the reason why God sent another revelation through prophet Muhammad, as predicted in the Bible as well.
Where did you get this definition from? Who defined it?
Bro seriously you are missing the point, really?
OK bigbob listen carefully cause I promise you that you will agree with me, but I just can not explain it properly so bare with me.....
Who cares what the term is?, I call it Christianity, if you think that means something else then find I won't call it Christianinity I will call it XYZ, don't get caught up with terminology nonsense cause you are missing the point here completely. The point here is that whoever believes Jesus died on the cross for our sins (I will call these people that fall into this category XYZ instead of Christians so you don't go on a rant about what a dumb word meanw ;))... can not believe the Koran is of divine origin, they just can't. It is common sense, one has to be wrong.
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I'm sorry Onetimehard. :'(
Have a lovely evening.
This post seems like you are mocking me, lol, but I know that you are not, Your a good person 24k you too have a nice evening.
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And you thought I had no sense of humor ;)
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And you thought I had no sense of humor ;)
Man I swear, you are bi-polar ;D
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Don't get me started on the bipolar comment and what you believe about Jesus and God :)
We could start with Jesus being at the right hand of God but being God at the same time. ::)
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Don't get me started on the bipolar comment and what you believe about Jesus and God :)
We could start with Jesus being at the right hand of God but being God at the same time. ::)
Or we can start at at Muhammad's wild imagination ;)
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So do you have any proofs or will you run around like an angry muffin shouting prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet while not providing any evidence while lying you provided "1000s" of evidences.
As I've already said your thread about 'wild asses' is so tact. Still didn't answer me about the 'wild asses' that became Christian and whether they are still wild asses and how you see these wild asses.
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So do you have any proofs or will you run around like an angry muffin shouting prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet while not providing any evidence while lying you provided "1000s" of evidences.
As I've already said your thread about 'wild asses' is so tact. Still didn't answer me about the 'wild asses' that became Christian and whether they are still wild asses and how you see these wild asses.
Bro why must I repeat myself ten thousand times if it yields the same results, only an imbecile would do such a thing, the evidence you show is pure garbage it is not evidence, I thought that before, and I will think that till the day I die, and same with you about what I have presented so go to you washroom mirror and start talking into it and explain your Horse shit cause no one else will listen anymore ;D,... way to much time wasted on here for nothing
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:) No proof only emotion :)
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:) No proof only emotion :)
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same with you all emotions, no proof, so what?
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So are we going to go on endlessly :)
Just when you said God can become anything, you did not want to answer my question
Can God become a tree that I can chop up and set on fire. Yet you went out of your way and said God can even become Satan which quite frankly is odd.
You believe that Jesus is God, and Jesus was tempted by the devil. So could God be tempted by the devil? It makes so little sense just as Jesus being seated at the right hand of GOd.
Now I am asking you for proof how Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet. You are avoiding answering this.
I am jesting/joking but the above are serious questions that you are dodging :) You are the one that brought this upon yourself. If you claim something bring proof.
I brought my proof why Paul is a fraud and a false prophet and the reasoning behind it, you have not brought the proof against Muhammad (pbuh).
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blah blah blah, you are going on endlessly too, lol, that is all I read from your poost bro, I will not waste time reading your post ;D but I will always post back to show how foolish you are acting, lol, I have not read your last 10 post just the first sentence what a waste of time you are causing yourself.
I mean fake evidence with no logic, circular reasoning and teaching from a false prophet, lol. :D
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Bro seriously you are missing the point, really?
OK bigbob listen carefully cause I promise you that you will agree with me, but I just can not explain it properly so bare with me.....
Who cares what the term is?, I call it Christianity, if you think that means something else then find I won't call it Christianinity I will call it XYZ, don't get caught up with terminology nonsense cause you are missing the point here completely. The point here is that whoever believes Jesus died on the cross for our sins (I will call these people that fall into this category XYZ instead of Christians so you don't go on a rant about what a dumb word meanw ;))... can not believe the Koran is of divine origin, they just can't. It is common sense, one has to be wrong.
Maybe your point is of a different question than mine, my point was simply that one can follow the Bible while not ruling out that Muhammad was the last prophet.
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Not to be a party pooper or anything, ...but has anyone taken a look at the thread topic?
This thread is supposed to be about MORONISM :o
If someone clicks on this thread they're expecting to see discussion about spirit babies & magic underwear. >:(
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Maybe your point is of a different question than mine, my point was simply that one can follow the Bible while not ruling out that Muhammad was the last prophet.
The Old Testament maybe but certainly not the New Testament. I do not know what you where going on about but my point was very simple; as mature adults we have to accept what everyone believes as what they chose as their faith. Like it or not you can not force someone to believe in something they do not want to.
So as a Christian who believes salvation comes from Jesus I am forced to come to the conclusion that Muhammad is a false prophet and the Koran is a made up text. Nothing you say can change what I believe so point being you can not get insulted when I tell you what I believe. That is my point.
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The Old Testament maybe but certainly not the New Testament. I do not know what you where going on about but my point was very simple; as mature adults we have to accept what everyone believes as what they chose as their faith. Like it or not you can not force someone to believe in something they do not want to.
So as a Christian who believes salvation comes from Jesus I am forced to come to the conclusion that Muhammad is a false prophet and the Koran is a made up text. Nothing you say can change what I believe so point being you can not get insulted when I tell you what I believe. That is my point.
No, ...as a Christian you are forced to ACCEPT that.... Believing something & accepting something are two different things. Belief comes from exercising the intellect, ...something Christianity does not really espouse. Christianity says 'accept it' even though it makes no logical sense and is full of contradictions.
...sort of like Mormonism. There, ...I said the M word. No hypocrisy here. :D
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Nothing more entertaining than watching adults from different religions, arguing over which personal belief in a god is true. Like watching 2 adults seriously fighting over who is stronger, Capt. Marvel or Superman.
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Warning: Thread has devolved into fundamentalist drivel.
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Warning: Thread has devolved into fundamentalist drivel.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ONCE AHMED IS IN THE MIX?
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^LOL what a douche. I posted a picture of he-man. Saying nothing. You posted right after with your koooraaan bashing :) What did Islam have to do with this thread until YOU talked about it ::) My emotional little angry muffin.
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Hahahahhahha MELTDOWN, it`s a free world my little scum bag friend I can say what I want, if you take it as an insult that is your problem, not mine ha man can dish it but can`t take it
Go cry somewhere else you insecure freak. You are only mad cause you just realized that no one reads your post( that`s right you are wasting your time) cause you are Mr. resident fundi around here, you are an extremist and you are a disgrace to Islam, even though it is a fake religion, but it is people like you that makes people hate the religion, You contribute to it`s down fall.
Have a nice day you big whiner :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
PS If you can`t take the heat, get your ass off the kitchen
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Are you done with your melt down :) Go on.
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Are you done with your melt down :) Go on.
I am laughing bro, you are the one that got mad, you called me a name. You don`t call someone a name unless you are mad or unless they called you one first.
You deny that you where mad?
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Nothing more entertaining than watching adults from different religions, arguing over which personal belief in a god is true. Like watching 2 adults seriously fighting over who is stronger, Capt. Marvel or Superman.
That's ridiculous! There's absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Superman is clearly stronger. :P