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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: BodyProSite on November 25, 2009, 05:12:50 PM
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As adults on this board, the people in America, I am sure you have all paid tons of money in ; incomes taxes, sales tax, property taxes, and many other things that contribute to the economy, we pay alot of our hard earned money for our rights first off to call our selves Americans, and secondly, to recieve the benifits and rights of America. With that being said I know there are some who dont see any problem with the trial these 5 terrorists are recieving and the American rights they are being givin. But how can that be so easily rolled off your shoulders look at all you have paid into to recieve these rights, and yet these guys get them for nothing, and even after commiting the acts that they all confessed to( and are proud of). Why should we give these guys this right, because in doing so we are waisting more tax payer money just in doing so. It cost money to jail them, feed them, give them medical treatment if needed, to escort them back and forth to trial with the proper level of security, the police and judges and clerks and everyone involed is getting their salary paid for buy us, the American people who these 5 guys helped attack. why do they deserve one red cent spent on their sorry asses? Just kinda makes me feel that as an American my rights are not as important as they try to make us all believe seeing as how they are just giving them away, especialy to people like these guys! what do you all think?
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hmmmm....
I've paid for my inalienable rights, so why should someone that hasn't paid for them get the same rights ?
It's a bit hard to see how left and right can be put aside when you put it like that. The view you espouse is so far right, I'm suprised you haven't fallen off.
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if you are a legal U.S citizen then I am not talking about you. If you are legal then you pay just like the rest of us. I am not talking about human rights, I am talking about American rights, there is a difference
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Actually, if I'm not a US citizen, yes you are talking about me as well.
Let's say a non-US citizen is on holiday there and accused of a crime. Should they be presumed innocent until proven guilty or just locked up because they haven't paid for the right for a fair trial.
Conversely - if a non US citizen in the same situation is accused of a crime - should they be able to pay for a fair trial.
I am not Thai but I live in Thailand - people here 'pay for a fair trial' all the time. I wouldn't say that it's working out so well.
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Well pedro if your not a citizen then why are you asnswering to this post ? can you not read , it was asked to Americans. And you are the one that just tied left or right into this by implying that the right hates immagrants! That is not what I said is it? Maybe you should pay attention , I said if you want rights as an American then pay your dues to America.
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Well pedro if your not a citizen then why are you asnswering to this post ? can you not read , it was asked to Americans. And you are the one that just tied left or right into this by implying that the right hates immagrants! That is not what I said is it? Maybe you should pay attention , I said if you want rights as an American then pay your dues to America.
Last time I checked - this was an open politics board. That's why I am 'asnswering'.
Like I say - do you include tourists/business travellers in your 'no rights till you paid your dues' philosophy ?
What about if you visited another country yourself ? Would you feel OK that had no right to a fair trial after being accused of a crime in a foreign country ?
Let me guess - you don't ever leave the US of A, so it would not be an issue...
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The view you espouse is so far right, I'm suprised you haven't fallen off.
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I love that saying. I'm gonna have to remember that.
Some people just don't get it eh?
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Yes the board is open to all , but the question was intended for a certain group of people which you do not fall into, and yes I go out of the U.S. alot, but just keep assuming away since you think you know everything I know one thing, when I go to another counrty I dont expect hand outs , or free entitlements or rights
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Yes the board is open to all , but the question was intended for a certain group of people which you do not fall into, and yes I go out of the U.S. alot, but just keep assuming away since you think you know everything I know one thing, when I go to another counrty I dont expect hand outs , or free entitlements or rights
So you'd be okay with imprisonment without representation, without a fair trail and without any rights at all? That is should you be accused of anything in a foreign country where you have said you don't expect rights.
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No , these people should be tried outside of America. And should be funded by the good for nothing U.N. Or tried in their homeland where they could be put to death in a barbaric way. Not 2 blocks away from where they killed 3000 people in an act of war, and where they are still going to have a bad effect on Americas economy by having to pay for all the things I listed above. Keep their sorry asses out of here, they don't deserve to be on American soil.
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No , these people should be tried outside of America. And should be funded by the good for nothing U.N. Or tried in their homeland where they could be put to death in a barbaric way. Not 2 blocks away from where they killed 3000 people in an act of war, and where they are still going to have a bad effect on Americas economy by having to pay for all the things I listed above. Keep their sorry asses out of here, they don't deserve to be on American soil.
So you'd rather justice be served elsewhere? Interesting. So if a Canadian came down and killed your family you would support a trial in Canada over the US?
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What is this "How to kill your tourist trade & decimate foreign investment 101" ?
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yes elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!
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maybe some of you like that your money gets fucked off on stupid shit like these 5 guys but i work hard and my business gets taxed the shit out of as do i in my personal life because I just happen to fall into the unlucky tax bracket, I feel many americans hard earned money is waisted on crap like these 5 fucks i bet you are a lib who gets and depends on free shit so of course you dont care, you are operating off my money to, so for that I say your welcome, and please spend it wisely
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yes elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!
Okay that's fine. You do realize that in Canada life only means 25 years and sometimes (most of the time) less. You would be happy with the killer of your family getting 25 years only instead of life as he would in America?
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When is the Bush/Cheney war crimes trial date? ???
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yes elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!
Yours is a knee-jerk reaction to a certain situation right now where some people you find abhorrent are going to be given the same rights under law as yourself. Your potential solution does not hold up to even the flimsiest of scrutiny.
The questions people are posing are relevant but you don't really have answers for them.
Let's say a wealthy Thai guy raped your mother, sister and daughter. After that he pours petrol on them and sets them on fire. Then he anally violates your Chinchilla.
Would you be OK with this guy being tried back in Thailand where, with his wealth and connections, he'd be walking free within a few weeks ?
OR
Would you be OK with the US police rounding up all Thai guys in that area - say 40 or 50 guys and dealing out some 'rough justice' in the form of a car battery, some crocodile clips and their testicles ? Would you be OK with all 40 or 50 guys being shot just to make sure they got the right guy ?
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well then where were the rights of all the americans that have had their heads cut off in the middle east??
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Many of the Americans and Europians that were brutally killed in the mid east did nothing except cross the wrong boarder, they didn't fly planes into anything, so yea , lets compare how Americans treat people if you want to . Why do you feel non Americans deserve American rights? I am not saying they dont deserve human rights but not Americans, there is a difference, they have done nothing for America except cost millions in damage and killed over 3000 people in cold blood
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Many of the Americans and Europians that were brutally killed in the mid east did nothing except cross the wrong boarder, they didn't fly planes into anything, so yea , lets compare how Americans treat people if you want to . Why do you feel non Americans deserve American rights? I am not saying they dont deserve human rights but not Americans, there is a difference, they have done nothing for America except cost millions in damage and killed over 3000 people in cold blood
So you don't believe the right to a fair trial is a human right?
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yes but not in america if you are not american , american tax dollars shouldnt be waisted on those people they have cost enough
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let them recieve trial in their country like saddam did justice got served there
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yes but not in america if you are not american , american tax dollars shouldnt be waisted on those people they have cost enough
Okay so what if they go back to a govt that wants to celebrate rather than incriminate their actions? You'd be okay with that or some token sentence handed down.
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Their government clearly doesnt, they claim to be an alli so let that government prosecute them , just like iraq prosecuted saddam
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Their government clearly doesnt, they claim to be an alli so let that government prosecute them , just like iraq prosecuted saddam
And if they don't give them a death sentence or life in imprison then what? You have freed terrorists running around again.
Supermax is the place for them.
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yes gitmo was perfect. let them stay there til they die, they had more meals a day than some americans get , they had clean clothes and cable t.v. for christ sake . what was the problem with gitmo? oh yea it doesnt fit into the commie presidents personal persona plan of being popular with the muslim nations, silly me , how could I forget what matters most to obama and his commie admin
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how could I forget what matters most to obama and his commie admin
Isn't the 2nd what you REALLY is most concerned about when it comes to the Obama admin though?
What do you think he's got planned for the gun owners of America - really?
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Isn't the 2nd what you REALLY is most concerned about when it comes to the Obama admin though?
What do you think he's got planned for the gun owners of America - really?
Ammo registration and taxes, national gn registry, AWB2, and all other sorts oif crap.
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Ammo registration and taxes, national gn registry, AWB2, and all other sorts oif crap.
What are taxes right now? Like most hard wares?
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What are taxes right now? Like most hard wares?
Micro Stamping, ammo registration ,etc. CA and NY are already trying these schemes.
There are no federal taxes on ammo right now.
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yes gitmo was perfect. let them stay there til they die, they had more meals a day than some americans get , they had clean clothes and cable t.v. for christ sake . what was the problem with gitmo? oh yea it doesnt fit into the commie presidents personal persona plan of being popular with the muslim nations, silly me , how could I forget what matters most to obama and his commie admin
So you are fine with the concept of putting people in jail without a trial as long as they aren't American ?
And you would be fine with being jailed without trial if you visited a foreign country because you are American ?
Or is this just down to people that have been accussed of terrorism that you want to see jailed without trial ?
Finally - are you happy for the price of all these jailed people to come from your taxes too ? Gitmo couldn't have been cheap..
Personally, I don't disagree with jailing terrorists for the rest of their lives, I do think you open up a can of worms when you don't give them a trial.
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Apperently you dont listen dip shit, I am tired of repeating myself to some fuck that shouldnt even have answered the question anyways, it obviously wasnt asked to you...
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<edited> Just kinda makes me feel that as an American my rights are not as important as they try to make us all believe seeing as how they are just giving them away, especialy to people like these guys! what do you all think?
my 2 cents...
i'm from a muslim family and i say...
behead the bastards at the 911 site without a trail and televise it...
then charge $ 2 / person that wants to piss on their dead bodies...
use money to build 2 more towers
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my 2 cents...
i'm from a muslim family and i say...
behead the bastards at the 911 site without a trail and televise it...
then charge $ 2 / person that wants to piss on their dead bodies...
use money to build 2 more towers
We need Black Jack Pershing & Patton back.
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No , these people should be tried outside of America. And should be funded by the good for nothing U.N. Or tried in their homeland where they could be put to death in a barbaric way. Not 2 blocks away from where they killed 3000 people in an act of war, and where they are still going to have a bad effect on Americas economy by having to pay for all the things I listed above. Keep their sorry asses out of here, they don't deserve to be on American soil.
Now I'm confused. Exactly who are you refering to here... blackwater contractors?
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Now I'm confused. Exactly who are you refering to here... blackwater contractors?
Unreal. Jag never met a muslim terrorist, or their apologists, she did not shill for.
I live in NYC and we already have huge protests planned. the firemena nd cops are furious over this as are many others.
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yes elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!
Uh... you realize Canada has done away with the death penalty don't you?
I thought I'd let you know. Someone who gives off such an air of mean-spiritedness might consider that an important factor in his decision making process. Do you still want the guy who killed your family to be tried in a country where he is guarannteed to continue living, or would you now prefer he be tried in a country that put him to death?
PS: The real cause of ridiculous Americas debtload was Bush' decision to take the country into a war.
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Uh... you realize Canada has done away with the death penalty don't you?
I thought I'd let you know. Someone who gives off such an air of mean-spiritedness might consider that an important factor in his decision making process. Do you still want the guy who killed your family to be tried in a country where he is guarannteed to continue living, or would you now prefer he be tried in a country that put him to death?
PS: The real cause of ridiculous Americas debtload was Bush' decision to take the country into a war.
And it was made equally worse by Obama. BTW Jag, you must feel all too giddy about Obama escalating the Afghan war no?
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And it was made equally worse by Obama. BTW Jag, you must feel all too giddy about Obama escalating the Afghan war no?
Giddy about more Canadian & American soldiers dying? You're crazy.
I just want the war to end, so people can be re-united with their families. And reforms to take root.
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Giddy about more Canadian & American soldiers dying? You're crazy.
I just want the war to end, so people can be re-united with their families. And reforms to take root.
I was being facetious of course. I think Obama is bracing for a huge blowup in Pakistan by doing this personally.
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Apperently you dont listen dip shit, I am tired of repeating myself to some fuck that shouldnt even have answered the question anyways, it obviously wasnt asked to you...
Dip shit ? This comes from an illiterate getbigger who doesn't understand that teh interweb works in other countries ? ::)
I'd guess you are either from somewhere deep south OR a 2nd generation immigrant with a heavily chipped shoulder.
Did you by any chance watch Deliverance and root for the guys in the bib overalls ???
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Apperently you dont listen dip shit, I am tired of repeating myself to some fuck that shouldnt even have answered the question anyways, it obviously wasnt asked to you...
pedro didn't do anything to deserve this post. Less of this please.
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Unreal. Jag never met a muslim terrorist, or their apologists, she did not shill for.
I live in NYC and we already have huge protests planned. the firemena nd cops are furious over this as are many others.
Not shilling for anyone... I seriously got confused there for a moment. The way you and others frequently jump from topic to topic and not remaining focussed on the topic at hand, but simply ad hom attacks, I wasn't sure which attack or massacre was being discussed. Now that I've got it straight... I say let the guy go on trial already so he can be dispatched forthwith. I don't think it should be too difficult to obtain a guilty verdict. It's pretty clear to me that any man that can withstand being waterboarded that many times is obviously no innocent.
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Not shilling for anyone... I seriously got confused there for a moment. The way you and others frequently jump from topic to topic and not remaining focussed on the topic at hand, but simply ad hom attacks, I wasn't sure which attack or massacre was being discussed. Now that I've got it straight... I say let the guy go on trial already so he can be dispatched forthwith. I don't think it should be too difficult to obtain a guilty verdict. It's pretty clear to me that any man that can withstand being waterboarded that many times is obviously no innocent.
Jag I dont know how canadas laws work, but our trials are just as complicated on procedure issues as factual issues.
The fact that this guy got tortured is going to add a lot of uncertainty into this whole mess.
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Jag I dont know how canadas laws work, but our trials are just as complicated on procedure issues as factual issues.
The fact that this guy got tortured is going to add a lot of uncertainty into this whole mess.
Yep I agree. I've spoken with both O'Brien & Phillips. I also know what torture does to the mind. I'm not at all surprised that lawyers are claiming one of the defendents is schizophrenic as a result of the torture. They make the best mules and operatives. State secrets are forever locked away inside fractured brains, brains so fractured that not even they are aware of the info or intel they carry. It's sad. All I know is there had better be a conviction, ...or all hell is gonna break loose. :-\
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Yep I agree. I've spoken with both O'Brien & Phillips. I also know what torture does to the mind. I'm not at all surprised that lawyers are claiming one of the defendents is schizophrenic as a result of the torture. They make the best mules and operatives. State secrets are forever locked away inside fractured brains, brains so fractured that not even they are aware of the info or intel they carry. It's sad. All I know is there had better be a conviction, ...or all hell is gonna break loose. :-\
They might get one, but it will be caught up in appeals for years regardless of what happens.