Stopped having shakes.

[bigmc]

are you successfully losing fat on calories that high?

yes slowly though

but the diet is asustainable lifestyle wise for me without starving myself

im 6 ft 3 and about 250

I do a lot of exercise too

I will probably have to drop more calories after initial weight loss

this diet was calculated for me to lose a pound a week over twelve weeks

[O.Z.]

Protein requirements for lifters are phony put out their by magazines and their protein advertisers.

I took protein shakes for decades. Every positive gain I made I would attribute to hard work and those shakes. I always had stomach problems even using the best whey isolate.  I finally gave it up. At first I blamed every bad training cycle on not having whey protein. Then when I made gains I realized it was just a placebo effect from me buying into the snake oil pitch. Every real scientific study I have seen never gave me proof you need a gram of protein or even half that to stay in positive nitrogen retention.

While not bodybuilders of course but Kenyan marathoners who brutally punish their body with 15 to 30 mile runs every day eat about 40 grams of protein a day.  If someone can show me a real study where it proves a 200lb lifter should have 150 to 200 grams of protein I would like to see it. Don't show me a phony Bulgarian study put out for review by a supplement company.

Since I stopped using creatine and protein powder I have never felt so good. Instead of crapping mush I have real nice logs now.

I have not had a shake for years just preffer solid food. Beef chicken and fish every day, around 150 grams of protein.

[Skorp1o]

I have not had a shake for years just preffer solid food. Beef chicken and fish every day, around 150 grams of protein.

I see more and more big guys eating around 150 a day, I think the 2g per kilo or pound has always been a supplement industry myth pushed by them...and it's unhealthy too. I'm sure my kidneys would rather deal with 150g protein a day than 300g.

[O.Z.]

I see more and more big guys eating around 150 a day, I think the 2g per kilo or pound has always been a supplement industry myth pushed by them...and it's unhealthy too. I'm sure my kidneys would rather deal with 150g protein a day than 300g.

Ocassionaly I go to 200 grams or thereabout and let me tell you I can feel the difference in my stomach, not a very good feeling.
I found 150 works great for me. I had no desire to look big at my age, 47. Being lean around 8-10 % bf is all I want.

[visualizeperfection]

yes slowly though

but the diet is asustainable lifestyle wise for me without starving myself

im 6 ft 3 and about 250

I do a lot of exercise too

I will probably have to drop more calories after initial weight loss

this diet was calculated for me to lose a pound a week over twelve weeks

Big dude. All the way big dude, if you were any bigger and more masculine, people might mistake you for an American 

anyways, I have put on weight at that high of calories, lol. just goes to show the difference in peoples bodies. Im cutting on 1800 and will finish my diet at around 1400.

[_aj_]

Really?  

Off season layne norton looks like he doesnt even work out.
Shows up onstage shredded at almost the same bodyweight as he is offseason.

Clearly myostatin deficient.

[visualizeperfection]

Clearly myostatin deficient.

Layne nortron clearly gets a good amount of his protein from penile sources, if you know what I mean...

[_aj_]

I have one shake a day. Whey in water, 50g protein. I am still dialing in what makes sense for me diet-wise since I am so new to gear. I am pursuing the holy grail: to put on muscle, whilst losing fat. I don't need a six-pack ("that's what you think", says The Wife), a 4-pack will suffice. Def want bigger arms, chest, back, shoulders, quads, hams, calves ("damn right" -- Wife).

[MAXX]

with wisdom and knowlage comes size and strength

if you can't get size naturally you will not get any size worth mentioning on gear.

[ProudVirgin69]

I've usually only gotten 150-200g myself, but I wanna give 300g/day an honest run for a couple months.

It'll be mostly shakes and 1 solid meal at night..... stay tuned

[bigmc]

I've usually only gotten 150-200g myself, but I wanna give 300g/day an honest run for a couple months.

It'll be mostly shakes and 1 solid meal at night..... stay tuned

its harder than you think

bloated all the time feeling like shit

farting rotten eggs at the general populice

[_aj_]

with wisdom and knowlage comes size and strength

if you can't get size naturally you will not get any size worth mentioning on gear.

Hi Layne! Sorry about my comment earlier on "myostatin deficiency" please don't sue me in UK courts!

[visualizeperfection]

with wisdom and knowlage comes size and strength

if you can't get size naturally you will not get any size worth mentioning on gear.

irony.

[ProudVirgin69]

its harder than you think

bloated all the time feeling like shit

farting rotten eggs at the general populice

It's been about a week.... not much gas, but i got some purified whey.

Honestly, the biggest difference is that i don't have to do much cooking/cleaning.  I got the idea from hazbin who said he dieted for shows on 90% shakes.

I am a little disappointed, I was expecting exponential gains with this much protein 

[HonestBob]

Layme is also a lying turd who has admitted over email to making up his metabolic damage hypothesis to get more views.  

[MAXX]

Hi Layne! Sorry about my comment earlier on "myostatin deficiency" please don't sue me in UK courts!

I'm not Layne im swedish. I dont wanna post pics. don't want my gb profile recognised irl.

could show pic by pm but getbiggers generally cant be trusted (see idiots like alex avesher etc. people you have to deal with here)

[bigmc]

I'm not Layne im swedish. I dont wanna post pics. don't want my gb profile recognised irl.

could show pic by pm but getbiggers generally cant be trusted (see idiots like alex avesher etc. people you have to deal with here)

post a pic with your face covered

like my avatar

im sure your not so famous that people will recognize your torso

[visualizeperfection]

Probably a better chance of me winning the loto this week than MAXX posting a picture of his huge muscular frame that is used for strength

[MAXX]

if I post a pic it will always be used for amunition later.

and a natural physique is not impressive. it gets clouded by all the roid users physiques and considered bad even if decent or even good.

so really logically it's a lose/lose.

[ProudVirgin69]

if I post a pic it will always be used for amunition later.

and a natural physique is not impressive. it gets clouded by all the roid users physiques and considered bad even if decent or even good.

so really logically it's a lose/lose.

Haha so basically you admit you look like shit

Thanks for playing

[MAXX]

Haha so basically you admit you look like shit

Thanks for playing

it's all relative. for a natural I'm quite big and decent strength

[bigmc]

if I post a pic it will always be used for amunition later.

and a natural physique is not impressive. it gets clouded by all the roid users physiques and considered bad even if decent or even good.

so really logically it's a lose/lose.

il be honest 100 percent and give you props if you look good

[_aj_]

Haha so basically you admit you look like shit

Thanks for playing

It's not hard, I look like shit and I am taking steps to rectify that. That said, I don't throw bombs at anybody on this board. It's not a good idea to take a steamer on a dude that looks 100x better than me, gear or not.

[SuperTed]

if I post a pic it will always be used for amunition later.

and a natural physique is not impressive. it gets clouded by all the roid users physiques and considered bad even if decent or even good.

so really logically it's a lose/lose.

You think a 6'3, 245lb physique at 10% bodyfat is not impressive?
Its almost Arnold-esque.

You must be quite the genetic marvel. Whats your secret? Did you sacrifice to win?

[visualizeperfection]

245 around 10% right now.