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He's a little off on his biology but when has shit like that really mattered to the party that believes the earth is six thousand years old and also believes the Loch Ness Monster proves creationism is true
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/21/gop-platform-committee-approves-tough-anti-abortion-stance/
GOP platform committee approves tough anti-abortion stance
Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Republicans drafting their party's official policy platform on Tuesday ratified a call for a Constitutional ban on abortion that makes no exceptions for rape or incest.The vote to endorse the party's long-standing opposition to abortion and support for a "human life amendment" took place at a meeting of the GOP's official platform committee in Tampa, the site of next week's Republican National Convention.
The party's official stance on abortion was approved after just a few minutes of discussion. The language in the platform must be voted on before the full Republican Convention next week, though Republicans say it is all but certain to pass.
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The party needs to rally and stand by and support this nut that is under fire for a party wide view point.
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Can you please show me where the GOP endorses creationism?
I can show you where the Democratic Party endorses completely unscientific claims - like those of Keynesian economics.
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Can you please show me where the GOP endorses creationism?
I can show you where the Democratic Party endorses completely unscientific claims - like those of Keynesian economics.
when did I ever say that creationism was part of the official party platform
I'm looking forward to your explanation of how economics is a science
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when did I ever say that creationism was part of the official party platform
I'm looking forward to your explanation of how economics is a science
when you said the party that believes the earth is 6 thousand years old, you moronic fuck...
where did he say economics is a science?
goodness gracious youre dense.
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when you said the party that believes the earth is 6 thousand years old, you moronic fuck...
a lot of the right-wing religious bloc are bible literalists. They believe it all happened.
anyone have a list of bible literalists? Huck is not, but I thought Palin argued that 6,000 year thing.
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a lot of the right-wing religious bloc are bible literalists. They believe it all happened.
anyone have a list of bible literalists? Huck is not, but I thought Palin argued that 6,000 year thing.
does the party?
if not then why say the "party"?
now piss off cracker jack
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He's a little off on his biology but when has shit like that really mattered to the party that believes the earth is six thousand years old and also believes the Loch Ness Monster proves creationism is true
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/21/gop-platform-committee-approves-tough-anti-abortion-stance/
GOP platform committee approves tough anti-abortion stance
Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Republicans drafting their party's official policy platform on Tuesday ratified a call for a Constitutional ban on abortion that makes no exceptions for rape or incest.The vote to endorse the party's long-standing opposition to abortion and support for a "human life amendment" took place at a meeting of the GOP's official platform committee in Tampa, the site of next week's Republican National Convention.
The party's official stance on abortion was approved after just a few minutes of discussion. The language in the platform must be voted on before the full Republican Convention next week, though Republicans say it is all but certain to pass.
The board bigot back at it again and showing just how fucking stupid he is at the same time.
Carry on as this is pretty funny.
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does the party?
if not then why say the "party"?
now piss off cracker jack
what happened to pookie?
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what happened to pookie?
240 is cracker jack
youre pookie, moron, brainchild, libtard and any combination in between ;)
now please tell us why you feel its the parties stance?
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The board bigot back at it again and showing just how fucking stupid he is at the same time.
Carry on as this is pretty funny.
I'll be more than happy to carry on
Are you a fundie because you're definitely dumb enough to be one
The National Republican Party platform objects to abortion even in cases of rape and Akin agrees with that so why split hair in regard to his reasoning. I'd bet a dollar he's not the only fundie idiot in the congress who thinks woman have magic secretions to prevent pregnancy from a rape
Although creationism is not yet part of the national party platform it is part of about 20% of the state republican platforms and I'm sure the others are hard at work trying to add it. Who knows, maybe the party will get around to adding it to the national platform this year
The Texas Republican party platform actually opposed critical thinking.
This is tailor made for an moron such as yourself
Shit, you're so fucking stupid if you move to Texas they might even make you a party leader
http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
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240 is cracker jack
youre pookie, moron, brainchild, libtard and any combination in between ;)
now please tell us why you feel its the parties stance?
scroll up
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IC IC so 20% is the entire party now...
thats right up there with accusing someone of something and saying its up to them to prove you wrong...
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when you said the party that believes the earth is 6 thousand years old, you moronic fuck...
where did he say economics is a science?
goodness gracious youre dense.
Howie said that the "Democratic Party endorses completely unscientific claims - like those of Keynesian economics"
Maybe he's referring to it as a social science
I have no idea since he's never bothered explain where Democratice party endorses Keynes or exactly what he means when he uses the work "unscientific"
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IC IC so 20% is the entire party now...
thats right up there with accusing someone of something and saying its up to them to prove you wrong...
feel free to show where I said it was part of the national party platform ?
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Howie said that the "Democratic Party endorses completely unscientific claims - like those of Keynesian economics"
Maybe he's referring to it as a social science
I have no idea since he's never bothered explain where Democratice party endorses Keynes or exactly what he means when he uses the work "unscientific"
and you got from that he believes "economics is science"?
LMFAO you do know the scientific process can be applied to virtually anything right?
LOL define hypocrisey for us again straw hahaha
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and you got from that he believes "economics is science"?
LMFAO you do know the scientific process can be applied to virtually anything right?
LOL define hypocrisey for us again straw hahaha
feel free to give your definition of "scientific process"
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240 is cracker jack
LOL @ grown men comparing educations like its a dick measuring contest haha.
another ten years, you'll realize that piece of paper doesn't matter dick in the real world once youre 3 years into your career.
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LOL @ grown men comparing educations like its a dick measuring contest haha.
another ten years, you'll realize that piece of paper doesn't matter dick in the real world once youre 3 years into your career.
who in this thread is comparing education or degree's ?
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who in this thread is comparing education or degree's ?
tony often calls me 'cracker jack', mocking my 3rd tier MBA.
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I'll be more than happy to carry on
Are you a fundie because you're definitely dumb enough to be one
The National Republican Party platform objects to abortion even in cases of rape and Akin agrees with that so why split hair in regard to his reasoning. I'd bet a dollar he's not the only fundie idiot in the congress who thinks woman have magic secretions to prevent pregnancy from a rape
Although creationism is not yet part of the national party platform it is part of about 20% of the state republican platforms and I'm sure the others are hard at work trying to add it. Who knows, maybe the party will get around to adding it to the national platform this year
The Texas Republican party platform actually opposed critical thinking.
This is tailor made for an moron such as yourself
Shit, you're so fucking stupid if you move to Texas they might even make you a party leader
http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
Of course with critical thinking they wouldnt get any votes.
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tony often calls me 'cracker jack', mocking my 3rd tier MBA.
not your 3rd tier MBA, youre 5th tier thinking...
If anything we should all be impressed that a person who has shown himself to be as ignorant and stupid holds an MBA from a 3rd tier school.
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not your 3rd tier MBA, youre 5th tier thinking...
If anything we should all be impressed that a person who has shown himself to be as ignorant and stupid holds an MBA from a 3rd tier school.
shit, is florida gulf coast university a 3rd tier school? link to rankings please
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shit, is florida gulf coast university a 3rd tier school? link to rankings please
Did you even read his post.
Its not your MBA - its the fact that you spent 2 years there most likley and learned nothing whatsoever.
Did you even study and attend class?
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Did you even read his post.
Its not your MBA - its the fact that you spent 2 years there most likley and learned nothing whatsoever.
Did you even study and attend class?
Is that the same as getting fake law degree and still not being able to understand what "facts" and "evidence" is?
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Is that the same as getting fake law degree and still not being able to understand what "facts" and "evidence" is?
LOL. Handled a criminal matter in Federal Court for the first time yesterday for clients charged w tresspassing, breaking and entering, and tampering w govt property in a National Park.
Word to wise Lurker - if you and your boyfriend get caught in the stall in a National Park, the charges are federal.
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Yes, I bet you did.
Let me guess, you did all your texts on here via cell phone at the same time while in the courtroom.
Word to the wise for you.... if you get caught with your imaginary girlfriend the charges are mental. Not that the rest of your behavior isn't quite obvious anyway.
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LOL. Handled a criminal matter in Federal Court for the first time yesterday for clients charged w tresspassing, breaking and entering, and tampering w govt property in a National Park.
Word to wise Lurker - if you and your boyfriend get caught in the stall in a National Park, the charges are federal.
Let me guess you told the jury its was Obamas policies that forced them to do it, right?
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Let me guess you told the jury its was Obamas policies that forced them to do it, right?
Got it pled down to a Disorderly Conduct but w a large fine.
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Let me guess you told the jury its was Obamas policies that forced them to do it, right?
While "multitasking" (read : crying on getbig the entire day) he found time to support his evidence with photoshop pics and unproven "sources".
I hear his star witness was that imaginary SEAL that came to his shitty apartment and shared the details of the Osama hit and the actual names of the soldiers involved in the raid with him.
If I ever doubted he was a lawyer before, it's really cleared up now huh?
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While "multitasking" (read : crying on getbig the entire day) he found time to support his evidence with photoshop pics and unproven "sources".
I hear his star witness was that imaginary SEAL that came to his shitty apartment and shared the details of the Osama hit and the actual names of the soldiers involved in the raid with him.
If I ever doubted he was a lawyer before, it's really cleared up now huh?
I never doubted you were a gay stalking jilted troll.
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I never doubted that you were a fake little shut in with an imaginary girlfriend who struggles to contain his gay projections.
Pathological liars are easy to see through.
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It's awesome that Akin is not only staying in the race but now giving shit back to the party "bosses" who are trying to kick him out. Good for him. All he did was repeat a completely absurd lie that has been debunked a hundred times but which ProLife fundies keep promoting anyway. Repubs have had many opportunities to get their act straight and tell the truth but they've continued to promote a lie so why should Akin take the fall for their collective failure to act
This should make the Republican Convention interesting
"I'm never going to say everything that could possibly happen," he said. "I don't know the future, but I do know this. I knew that the party voters took a look at our hearts, understood who we were, had a chance to meet us in many, many different ways and made a decision. And it makes me uncomfortable to think that the party bosses are going to dictate who runs as opposed to the election process."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57498013-503544/defiant-akin-in-senate-race-for-now-chides-party-bosses-for-trying-to-push-him-out/
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It's awesome that Akin is not only staying in the race but now giving shit back to the party "bosses" who are trying to kick him out. Good for him. All he did was repeat a completely absurd lie that has been debunked a hundred times but which ProLife fundies keep promoting anyway. Repubs have had many opportunities to get their act straight and tell the truth but they've continued to promote a lie so why should Akin take the fall for their collective failure to act
This should make the Republican Convention interesting
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57498013-503544/defiant-akin-in-senate-race-for-now-chides-party-bosses-for-trying-to-push-him-out/
Yet, despite this, he can still beat McCaskill. And, at the end of the day, Romney can keep rolling and boot Obama out of office.
In the event that happen, something tells me you're not going to think this is so "awesome".
Here are some of the reasons why (from an article I posted earlier).
Eleven reasons Akin didn’t quit
As one top Missouri Republican said this morning, "It's hard to reason with an idiot"
BY JEFFREY SMITH
Todd Akin declared Tuesday that he would not drop out of the U.S. Senate race in Missouri. Most East Coast journalists and politicos I’ve spoken with cannot fathom how Todd Akin could possibly remain a candidate. As a former Missouri politician who knows Akin, perhaps I can shed some light. Here are 11 reasons why he didn’t quit:
1. He’s 65 and it’s his last shot.
Often, party leaders will ease younger candidates out of races with promises of support for some future nomination. That won’t work with someone who gave up his House seat to run and who clearly doesn’t have a political future if he bows out.
2. His opponent, Claire McCaskill, hasn’t polled over 45 percent for 18 months.
This nomination is worth something when you have an incumbent who, when paired against just about anyone, has hovered in the low 40s since last spring. Most political scientists and operatives assume that most of the time, late-breaking undecided voters favor the challenger approximately 2-to-1, so any challenger appears to be in good shape.
3. He’s never been a deal-cutting legislator.
A leopard doesn’t change his spots. Akin has always been a true believer, and not a typical pragmatic pol, so it’s not in his character to cut a deal now.
4. His base is sticking.
Since he first got into politics, Akin has been a crusader for social conservative causes. Whether it was in support of home schooling or against abortion and gambling, Akin has not given an inch. And so the folks he stood up for are sticking with him, and for that matter, so is Mike Huckabee, whose support was critical in the primary.
5. He’s always been outspent.
The national party’s vow to withdraw financial support doesn’t bother him as much as it would most pols, since he’s been outspent in his two major primaries. As he has said, God has always pulled him through.
6. The establishment has never supported him.
In politics and life, you listen to the people you know and trust. Since the Republican establishment in Missouri and in D.C. never supported him, he owes them nothing now.
7. He has all the leverage.
He is the nominee in a state that Republicans must win if they are to take back the Senate. The National Republican Senatorial Committee and Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS are not going to spend hundreds of millions around the country and then leave Missouri on the table out of stubbornness. Akin, an anti-gambling fanatic, should be smart enough to call their bluff.
8. Missourians seem to dislike McCaskill enough to overlook Akin’s idiocy.
An overnight poll by a respected firm taken after saturation coverage of Akin’s plight suggests that this whole affair didn’t change many minds; Akin still leads by a point.
9. The worst is probably over.
If he quits now, he’s a punch line forever; if he sticks, then (based on No. 9) he has a 50 percent chance of being a U.S. senator as well as a punch line.
10. Wounds take time to heal – especially when people pick at them.
John Brunner, a multimillionaire businessman whom Akin defeated in the primary, is positioning himself to step into the void if Akin quits, and some think he’d be a logical choice since he wouldn’t be burdened with fundraising and has no legislative record to defend. But Akin is still smarting from Brunner’s attack mailers in the primary, which compared Akin to Obama. And I suspect he doesn’t appreciate Brunner making his interest known so brazenly – and so soon after Akin’s misstep. The idea that Brunner, whom Akin just vanquished while being outspent approximately 5-to-1, could waltz in to replace him must make him seethe.
11. God told him to run and it may take God to tell him to quit.
Missouri politicians who have in the past tried to negotiate with Akin describe it as sort of like trying to negotiate with Ahmadinejad. He is a zealot, in every sense of the word. As one top Republican said this morning, “It’s hard to reason with an idiot.” Or maybe, it’s just hard to use worldly logic on someone who is divinely inspired.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/21/eleven_reasons_why_akin_didnt_quit/
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They should have cut that list off at #10. Because reason #11 isn't exactly a glowing one. Considering : He is a zealot, in every sense of the word. As one top Republican said this morning, “It’s hard to reason with an idiot.”
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They should have cut that list off at #10. Because reason #11 isn't exactly a glowing one. Considering : He is a zealot, in every sense of the word. As one top Republican said this morning, “It’s hard to reason with an idiot.”
I think #11 was a parting shot at Akin, after making the point that (despite this bungle), it's not that unreasonable to think he can still defeat McCaskill.
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I think #11 was a parting shot at Akin, after making the point that (despite this bungle), it's not that unreasonable to think he can still defeat McCaskill.
was it really a bungle since he actually believed what he said and the source of that belief has been floating around the Republican party for years and no major candidate or the party itself has repudiated that person or his beliefs
how much other total bullshit do Right to Lifers promote that just hasn't become a national scandal yet only because a high profile person repeated it at the wrong time and place
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was it really a bungle since he actually believed what he said and the source of that belief has been floating around the Republican party for years and no major candidate or the party itself has repudiated that person or his beliefs
how much other total bullshit do Right to Lifers promote that just hasn't become a national scandal yet only because a high profile person repeated it at the wrong time and place
What pro-lifers promote, first and foremost, is that the baby in the womb is just that: A BABY!!!
You seem to have a problem with that.
Pro-life people promote doing as much as possible to let the baby LIVE; whereas, pro-choicers tend to look for any excuse to kill the unborn, as the lion's share of abortions have ZILCH to do with rape, incest, of the mother's life being in danger.
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What pro-lifers promote, first and foremost, is that the baby in the womb is just that: A BABY!!!
You seem to have a problem with that.
Pro-life people promote doing as much as possible to let the baby LIVE; whereas, pro-choicers tend to look for any excuse to kill the unborn, as the lion's share of abortions have ZILCH to do with rape, incest, of the mother's life being in danger.
most people have a problem with calling a fertilized egg a "baby"
but how about crazier stuff you guys say such as:
1. emergency contraception is an abortion pill
2. 97% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion
3. Condoms don't work
those are three that immeidiately come to mind but I'm sure there are more
Let's not forgot that many prolifers still believe exactly what Akin said last week about pregnancy and rape
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Funny how the libs get all upset over abortion and not a lick about the economy imploding.
Care more about marrying dudes and killing off their kids than the fate of the nation.
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Funny how the libs get all upset over abortion and not a lick about the economy imploding.
Care more about marrying dudes and killing off their kids than the fate of the nation.
the economy is not imploding dumbass and Repubs are the one who made abortion an ISSUE
shit, pretty much the ONLY thing Repubs have done since they got in power in 2010 is abortion legislation and voter suppression legislation
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Funny how the libs get all upset over abortion and not a lick about the economy imploding.
Care more about marrying dudes and killing off their kids than the fate of the nation.
Funny how idiots can't stay on the simple topic of a thread and yet expect others to believe they were allowed to practice in a federal courtroom.
Ignorance can be overcome with education but there is no cure for stupidity. Sucks for you.
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most people have a problem with calling a fertilized egg a "baby"
Please!!! By the time a woman even knows she's pregnant, "the fertilized egg" is WAY beyond that. It's a baby, with a heart, brain, lungs, etc.
but how about crazier stuff you guys say such as:
1. emergency contraception is an abortion pill
2. 97% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion
3. Condoms don't work
those are three that immeidiately come to mind but I'm sure there are more
1. In some cases, that's precisely what it is.
2. It's not what they do 97% of the time...BUT, it IS where they get a huge chunk of their money. Take out the abortion piece and see how long Planned Parenthood lasts.
3. They don't work in preventing certain STDs, namely herpes or HPV.
And why is it that liberals are all bent out of shape about ultrasound, before an abortion? What's the matter? Could it be that a woman might actually be led to believe that the entity in her womb is....GASP....a BABY?
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McWay - thank you for so perfectly proving my point about the profound ignorance of prolifers such as yourself
Please!!! By the time a woman even knows she's pregnant, "the fertilized egg" is WAY beyond that. It's a baby, with a heart, brain, lungs, etc.
Jesus I can't believe you actually wrote this and actually believe this.
Are there any doctors on this board who can enlighted McWay on this issue. I really can't stop laughing long enough to be able to do it
1. In some cases, that's precisely what it is. - WRONG - it's NEVER an ABORTION - It PREVENTS CONCEPTION - Ask a doctor to explain it to you
2. It's not what they do 97% of the time...BUT, it IS where they get a huge chunk of their money. - Totally FALSE - the depth of your ignorance is just unbelievable. I can't wait to see your source that shows revenue from abortion provides a large chunk of their money Take out the abortion piece and see how long Planned Parenthood lasts.
3. They don't work in preventing certain STDs, namely herpes or HPV - they work to prevent many STDs and they are definitley HIGHLY EFFECTIVE In preventing Pregnancy which is what were talking about. Nothing is going to protect you from std's that can be transferred from skin-to-skin contact, like HPV (genital warts), syphilis, herpes
And why is it that liberals are all bent out of shape about ultrasound, before an abortion? What's the matter? Could it be that a woman might actually be led to believe that the entity in her womb is....GASP....a BABY?
McWay - check out this picture of two babies
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McWay - thank you for so perfectly proving my point about the profound ignorance of prolifers such as yourself
Jesus I can't believe you actually wrote this and actually believe this.
Are there any doctors on this board who can enlighted McWay on this issue. I really can't stop laughing long enough to be able to do it
McWay - check out this picture of two babies
Yes I did write that. And here's why.
“Planned Parenthood continues to claim that abortion is three percent of its services in the 2010 report. By comparing the number of condoms, birth control pills, and other low cost items distributed to the number of abortions it commits, Planned Parenthood intentionally misleads the public and those in charge of providing government funding for its grisly business by painting a grossly inaccurate picture of what its business is all about,” the group says.
It adds: “By comparing PP’s abortion income with its clinic income, we get a much more accurate picture of Planned Parenthood’s business model. In 2010, Planned Parenthood’s abortion income was 51.5 percent of its clinic income.”
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/05/planned-parenthood-51-of-its-income-comes-from-abortions/why.
Gee, take away the source of over HALF of Planned Parenthood's income and see how long it lasts.
As for the emergency contraception thing:
A woman who uses EC after unprotected sex clearly intends to prevent pregnancy. However, she may be quite unaware of "where" she is in her cycle (i.e., whether or not she has ovulated). Although she may not intend to abort, the drug's action of altering the endometrium to interfere with implantation may in fact abort the developing embryo.
This point cannot be overemphasized. Once an ovum is in the Fallopian tube, the process of fertilization may begin within 15 to 30 minutes after intercourse. Thus some researchers conclude that interfering with the endometrium "could explain the majority of cases where pregnancies are prevented by the morning-after pill" (J. Wilks, A Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs at 154 [1997], citing F. Grou and I. Rodrigues, "The morning-after pill: How long after?", 171 Am. J. Obstet. Gynecol. 1529-34 [1994].) Without implantation, which occurs about a week after fertilization, the embryo cannot develop and will die.
Brown University associate professor of medicine, Ralph Miech, M.D., Ph.D., agrees. "This type of pill causes an abortion," he wrote in the Providence Journal on August 3, 1998. "From a pharmacologic perspective, this type of pill should be called an 'abortion-after pill'."
The question must be asked: "How is this contraception?" Women are being falsely led to believe that these pills are contraceptive in nature. But one of their common and intended modes of action is to prevent the development of the embryo, resulting in his or her death.
http://old.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/fact1098.shtml
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the economy is not imploding dumbass and Repubs are the one who made abortion an ISSUE
shit, pretty much the ONLY thing Repubs have done since they got in power in 2010 is abortion legislation and voter suppression legislation
Romney and Ryan are talking about economic issues, Medicare, and jobs. Meanwhile, the DNC just booked that hack, Sandra Fluke, as a keynote speaker at the convention.
You and the rest of the libs are howling about abortion, hoping to detract from Obama's pitiful record, namely the trillions in debt and 8% or higher unemployment for 43 straight months.
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Romney and Ryan are talking about economic issues, Medicare, and jobs. Meanwhile, the DNC just booked that hack, Sandra Fluke, as a keynote speaker at the convention.
You and the rest of the libs are howling about abortion, hoping to detract from Obama's pitiful record, namely the trillions in debt and 8% or higher unemployment for 43 straight months.
Another communist Keynesian screaming for the government to fix the private market ::)
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What pro-lifers promote, first and foremost, is that the baby in the womb is just that: A BABY!!!
You seem to have a problem with that.
Pro-life people promote doing as much as possible to let the baby LIVE; whereas, pro-choicers tend to look for any excuse to kill the unborn, as the lion's share of abortions have ZILCH to do with rape, incest, of the mother's life being in danger.
So you want to take away a womans right to save a bunch of cells with no consciousness, but when those cellls are a human you dont think it has a right to health(care) ???
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Another communist Keynesian screaming for the government to fix the private market ::)
it amazes me that ppl such as yourself cannot seem to understand that wanting the govt to get out of the way is somehow the same as saying they want govt to fix the economy ::)
goodness gracious...
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it amazes me that ppl such as yourself cannot seem to understand that wanting the govt to get out of the way is somehow the same as saying they want govt to fix the economy ::)
goodness gracious...
It amazes me that people such as yourself can claim they want government out of our lives yet log on to a message board everyday and plead Obama to fix the economy. Obama cant fix the economy he doesnt have the power ::)
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It amazes me that people such as yourself can claim they want government out of our lives yet log on to a message board everyday and plead Obama to fix the economy. Obama cant fix the economy he doesnt have the power ::)
Don't forget to add the "goodness gracious".
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Akin sits on the committee for science & technology?
The dude doesn't understand the uterus and he's making national policy on sexy time.
Da-Fuq?
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Akin sits on the committee for science & technology?
The dude doesn't understand the uterus and he's making national policy on sexy time.
Da-Fuq?
You got to be fucking kidding me...
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Akin sits on the committee for science & technology?
The dude doesn't understand the uterus and he's making national policy on sexy time.
Da-Fuq?
Remember the Republican committee for women's rights didn't even include a single woman in it's members. Hypocrisy is an amazing thing at times.
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Remember the Republican committee for women's rights didn't even include a single woman in it's members. Hypocrisy is an amazing thing at times.
LOL - gay marriage and abortion really have you and you boyfriend Straw all worked up lately.
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I didn't remember the women rights or the science and technology committee discussing gay marriage. Maybe you can provide a link or is this more of your usual projecting?
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LOL - gay marriage and abortion really have you and you boyfriend Straw all worked up lately.
weird and unnecessary comment.
This dude was on the science committee... surely you're not trying to defend/deflect that, 33?
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I didn't remember the women rights or the science and technology committee discussing gay marriage. Maybe you can provide a link or is this more of your usual projecting?
Haha 333... owned he cant keep his gay projections out of anything
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weird and unnecessary comment.
This dude was on the science committee... surely you're not trying to defend/deflect that, 33?
Akin is the Hank Johnson of the GOP
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weird and unnecessary comment.
This dude was on the science committee... surely you're not trying to defend/deflect that, 33?
Not for our board retard it wasn't. He is obsessed with "gay". You would think he would get enough of it at his weekly Log Cabin Republican meetings but yet he still has to trot his self loathing and projections out here for all of us to see.
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Yes I did write that. And here's why.
“Planned Parenthood continues to claim that abortion is three percent of its services in the 2010 report. By comparing the number of condoms, birth control pills, and other low cost items distributed to the number of abortions it commits, Planned Parenthood intentionally misleads the public and those in charge of providing government funding for its grisly business by painting a grossly inaccurate picture of what its business is all about,” the group says.
It adds: “By comparing PP’s abortion income with its clinic income, we get a much more accurate picture of Planned Parenthood’s business model. In 2010, Planned Parenthood’s abortion income was 51.5 percent of its clinic income.”
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/05/planned-parenthood-51-of-its-income-comes-from-abortions/why.
Gee, take away the source of over HALF of Planned Parenthood's income and see how long it lasts.
As for the emergency contraception thing:
A woman who uses EC after unprotected sex clearly intends to prevent pregnancy. However, she may be quite unaware of "where" she is in her cycle (i.e., whether or not she has ovulated). Although she may not intend to abort, the drug's action of altering the endometrium to interfere with implantation may in fact abort the developing embryo.
This point cannot be overemphasized. Once an ovum is in the Fallopian tube, the process of fertilization may begin within 15 to 30 minutes after intercourse. Thus some researchers conclude that interfering with the endometrium "could explain the majority of cases where pregnancies are prevented by the morning-after pill" (J. Wilks, A Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs at 154 [1997], citing F. Grou and I. Rodrigues, "The morning-after pill: How long after?", 171 Am. J. Obstet. Gynecol. 1529-34 [1994].) Without implantation, which occurs about a week after fertilization, the embryo cannot develop and will die.
Brown University associate professor of medicine, Ralph Miech, M.D., Ph.D., agrees. "This type of pill causes an abortion," he wrote in the Providence Journal on August 3, 1998. "From a pharmacologic perspective, this type of pill should be called an 'abortion-after pill'."
The question must be asked: "How is this contraception?" Women are being falsely led to believe that these pills are contraceptive in nature. But one of their common and intended modes of action is to prevent the development of the embryo, resulting in his or her death.
http://old.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/fact1098.shtml
McWay - good news for you and your fundie buddies. You now longer have to depend on the speculation of a single doctor from 14 years ago. There has been a bunch of new data in the last 14 years that concludes that Plan B is most definitely contraception. I'm sure the fundie websites will scramble to update their sites and tell their fellow ProLifers to scratch this off their list of grievances. If fact the NYT just wrote an article about all the research done in the past 14 years and so did Mother Jones
For over a decade, anti-abortion activists have objected to emergency contraception, claiming that it prevents already fertilized eggs from implanting in women's uteruses and therefore terminates pregnancies.
Just one problem: the science doesn't support them.
That’s according to an exhaustive New York Times article published this week that reviewed decades worth of science on how what's commonly known as the morning-after pill works. Most of this research took place after 1999, when Plan B and other similar drugs were first approved for the market.
Back then, the drug's mechanisms weren't well understood; pre-approval research focused on establishing that emergency contraception's active hormone safely and effectively prevented pregnancy when taken shortly after unprotected sex. While government scientists were satisfied the drug worked, they didn't have a clear understanding of exactly how it did; so the FDA label provided a laundry list of potential causes, including the one—interfering with the implantation of a fertilized egg in the woman's uterus—that has drawn fire from rock-ribbed pro-lifers.
Since then, the science has developed a much clearer picture of the drug's effects. Study after study has conclusively shown that emergency contraception (or EC) actually prevents egg release—and without eggs, naturally, fertilization can't happen, let alone implantation. Other studies have in fact shown that the drug is ineffective when taken after a woman has already ovulated. The International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics has stated conclusively that the three emergency contraception drugs on the market "do not inhibit implantation."
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/morning-after-pill-plan-b-abortion-implantation-personhood
More good news for you (though the actual #'s are irrelevent to me). The link you provided to support your claim that Planned Parenthood gets a "large chunk" of their funding appears to be false (again, I'm sure you're relieved to hear this but I personally couldnt' give a shit if they got 100% of their revenue from performing abortion)
Since your link didn't work I found another fundie website who reviewed PP revenue sources from their 2008/2009 report and they received 155 million from abortions out of total revenue of 1.1 billion. That means that abortion services provided only 14% fo their total revenue. The best part about the link is that they chose to use those same #'s but didn't make the 14% figure their headline. I wonder why not?
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthoods-revenue-comes-from-paying-non-abortion-customers/
Here's the really "Good News" so pay close attention. You're fortunate enough to live in a country where no one can force their moral standard on to you. Abortion is legal and if you don't want to have one you are totally free to make that choice. No one can ever force you or someone you know to get an abortion.
Of course that also means that you don't get to force your standards on anyone else either.
Itsn't that great?
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It amazes me that people such as yourself can claim they want government out of our lives yet log on to a message board everyday and plead Obama to fix the economy. Obama cant fix the economy he doesnt have the power ::)
by not passing horrible legislation like obamacare, dodd frank, toying with letting tax rates increase in a recession, raising taxes govt could help the economy BY NOT HURTING IT YOU MORON!!!
how do you not understand that?
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McWay - good news for you and your fundie buddies. You now longer have to depend on the speculation of a single doctor from 14 years ago. There has been a bunch of new data in the last 14 years that concludes that Plan B is most definitely contraception. I'm sure the fundie websites will scramble to update their sites and tell their fellow ProLifers to scratch this off their list of grievances. If fact the NYT just wrote an article about all the research done in the past 14 years and so did Mother Jones
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/morning-after-pill-plan-b-abortion-implantation-personhood
More good news for you (though the actual #'s are irrelevent to me). The link you provided to support your claim that Planned Parenthood gets a "large chunk" of their funding appears to be false (again, I'm sure you're relieved to hear this but I personally couldnt' give a shit if they got 100% of their revenue from performing abortion)
Since your link didn't work I found another fundie website who reviewed PP revenue sources from their 2008/2009 report and they received 155 million from abortions out of total revenue of 1.1 billion. That means that abortion services provided only 14% fo their total revenue. The best part about the link is that they chose to use those same #'s but didn't make the 14% figure their headline. I wonder why not?
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthoods-revenue-comes-from-paying-non-abortion-customers/
Here's the really "Good News" so pay close attention. You're fortunate enough to live in a country where no one can force their moral standard on to you. Abortion is legal and if you don't want to have one you are totally free to make that choice. No one can ever force you or someone you know to get an abortion.
Of course that also means that you don't get to force your standards on anyone else either.
Itsn't that great?
Mcway owned big time here :D
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by not passing horrible legislation like obamacare, dodd frank, toying with letting tax rates increase in a recession, raising taxes govt could help the economy BY NOT HURTING IT YOU MORON!!!
how do you not understand that?
Yes if we just didnt do the above the economy would be fine ::)
The world is sooo simple
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Yes if we just didnt do the above the economy would be fine ::)
The world is sooo simple
Your lack of any economic knowledge is amazing.
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McWay - good news for you and your fundie buddies. You now longer have to depend on the speculation of a single doctor from 14 years ago. There has been a bunch of new data in the last 14 years that concludes that Plan B is most definitely contraception. I'm sure the fundie websites will scramble to update their sites and tell their fellow ProLifers to scratch this off their list of grievances. If fact the NYT just wrote an article about all the research done in the past 14 years and so did Mother Jones
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/morning-after-pill-plan-b-abortion-implantation-personhood
More good news for you (though the actual #'s are irrelevent to me). The link you provided to support your claim that Planned Parenthood gets a "large chunk" of their funding appears to be false (again, I'm sure you're relieved to hear this but I personally couldnt' give a shit if they got 100% of their revenue from performing abortion)
Since your link didn't work I found another fundie website who reviewed PP revenue sources from their 2008/2009 report and they received 155 million from abortions out of total revenue of 1.1 billion. That means that abortion services provided only 14% fo their total revenue. The best part about the link is that they chose to use those same #'s but didn't make the 14% figure their headline. I wonder why not?
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthoods-revenue-comes-from-paying-non-abortion-customers/
The link didn't work, because I accidentally posted the wrong one, instead of this one:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/05/planned-parenthood-51-of-its-income-comes-from-abortions/
As for the claim of abortion being a mere 14% of Planned Parenthood's total revenue in 2009, you might want to count that again:
In its previous annual report, covering 2009, planned Parenthood did 332,278 surgical abortions or abortions using the dangerous RU 486 abortion drug and its clinics across the nation brought in $404.9 million in revenues. Abortions dropped to 329,445 in this latest annual report and clinic income dropped to $320 million.
Using an estimate from the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, a former Planned Parenthood research arm that still receives funding from the abortion business for its abortion statistics and research, the average cost of an abortion is $468. Multiplying the number of abortions times the average cost and factoring that against the total income Planned Parenthood’s clinics derived, approximately $154 million of its $320 million in clinic (or 48 percent) income is derived from abortions.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/12/30/planned-parenthood-report-1b-group-gets-46-from-tax-money/
405 million (revenue) via abortions out of 1.1 billion overall.....that don't sound like 14% to me (actually it's about 38%).
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The link didn't work, because I accidentally posted the wrong one, instead of this one:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/05/planned-parenthood-51-of-its-income-comes-from-abortions/
As for the claim of abortion being a mere 14% of Planned Parenthood's total revenue in 2009, you might want to count that again:
In its previous annual report, covering 2009, planned Parenthood did 332,278 surgical abortions or abortions using the dangerous RU 486 abortion drug and its clinics across the nation brought in $404.9 million in revenues. Abortions dropped to 329,445 in this latest annual report and clinic income dropped to $320 million.
Using an estimate from the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, a former Planned Parenthood research arm that still receives funding from the abortion business for its abortion statistics and research, the average cost of an abortion is $468. Multiplying the number of abortions times the average cost and factoring that against the total income Planned Parenthood’s clinics derived, approximately $154 million of its $320 million in clinic (or 48 percent) income is derived from abortions.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/12/30/planned-parenthood-report-1b-group-gets-46-from-tax-money/
405 million (revenue) via abortions out of 1.1 billion overall.....that don't sound like 14% to me (actually it's about 38%).
it's not my count - it came from a fundie website and unlike you links they actually linked back to Planned Parenthoods annual report
you can check out the link again here:
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthoods-revenue-comes-from-paying-non-abortion-customers/
and within that link you'll find a link to the actual report here
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_Annual_Report_08-09-FINAL-12-10-10.pdf
BTW - do you realize that the fundie website I posted said 155 million came from abortions and yours said 154 million?
The only difference is that the fundie site I used is comparing that figure to their total revenue where you're just comparing it to one part of their total revenue
Your original claim was a "huge chuk of their money" not a huge chunk of one part of their total funding
2. It's not what they do 97% of the time...BUT, it IS where they get a huge chunk of their money. Take out the abortion piece and see how long Planned Parenthood lasts.
great job once again owning yourself
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it's not my count - it came from a fundie website and unlike you links they actually linked back to Planned Parenthoods annual report
you can check out the link again here:
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthoods-revenue-comes-from-paying-non-abortion-customers/
and within that link you'll find a link to the actual report here
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_Annual_Report_08-09-FINAL-12-10-10.pdf
BTW - do you realize that the fundie website I posted said 155 million came from abortions and yours said 154 million?
The only difference is that the fundie site I used is comparing that figure to their total revenue where you're just comparing it to one part of their total revenue
Your original claim was a "huge chuk of their money" not a huge chunk of one part of their total funding
great job once again owning yourself
I'm sorry!! Where on that graph does it state that NONE of the 61% of revenue from public and private donations goes toward abortion again?
Without government funding and a robust abortion business, it isn’t likely that Planned Parenthood would be able to keep operating in its current form. In short, for Planned Parenthood to survive as-is, they are beholden to advance a robust abortion business and engage in controversial political involvement in an attempt to keep the taxpayer funding flowing.
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I'm sorry!! Where on that graph does it state that NONE of the 61% of revenue from public and private donations goes toward abortion again?
Without government funding and a robust abortion business, it isn’t likely that Planned Parenthood would be able to keep operating in its current form. In short, for Planned Parenthood to survive as-is, they are beholden to advance a robust abortion business and engage in controversial political involvement in an attempt to keep the taxpayer funding flowing.
what ?
now you're trying to change the topic ?
what's that got to do with your claim that
"It's not what they do 97% of the time...BUT, it IS where they get a huge chunk of their money"
the facts are that 3% of what they do are abortions (I wouldn't care if it were 100%) and they only get 14% of their total revenue from providing abortions
Those are the facts
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what ?
now you're trying to change the topic ?
what's that got to do with your claim that
"It's not what they do 97% of the time...BUT, it IS where they get a huge chunk of their money"
the facts are that 3% of what they do are abortions (I wouldn't care if it were 100%) and they only get 14% of their total revenue from providing abortions
Those are the facts
That's not changing the topic. Planned Parenthood gets a huge chunk of their money from government (and from private funding) to go towards abortion.
That's why liberals get bend out of shape, when you talk about whacking federal funding for Planned Parenthood.
The GOP's platform is to end taxpayer money going towards abortion (not condoms, not birth control pills, not cancer screenings, not vaccines, not the other services behind which liberals hide to justify their getting loot from Uncle Sam).....ABORTION.
Liberals would hardly be going bonkers about such (being a mere "3%" of what they do and all ::) )....UNLESS a HUGE CHUNK of money from the government were going toward abortion. You'd think private donations and direct revenue would be sufficient.
14% of PP's money comes from revenue from abortion (i.e. actual paying customers)....guess what that means.
Without Uncle Sam's dollars, a huge chunk of their money that goes for abortions is.....GONE!!!
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That's not changing the topic. Planned Parenthood gets a huge chunk of their money from government (and from private funding) to go towards abortion.
That's why liberals get bend out of shape, when you talk about whacking federal funding for Planned Parenthood.
The GOP's platform is to end taxpayer money going towards abortion (not condoms, not birth control pills, not cancer screenings, not vaccines, not the other services behind which liberals hide to justify their getting loot from Uncle Sam).....ABORTION.
Liberals would hardly be going bonkers about such (being a mere "3%" of what they do and all ::) )....UNLESS a HUGE CHUNK of money from the government were going toward abortion. You'd think private donations and direct revenue would be sufficient.
14% of PP's money comes from revenue from abortion (i.e. actual paying customers)....guess what that means.
Without Uncle Sam's dollars, a huge chunk of their money that goes for abortions is.....GONE!!!
you have no proof of this statement
Other than you claiming that "PP gets a huge chunk of their money from the government to go towards abortions" you have absolute nothing to back up this claim and even at face value makes no sense
Abortion is only 3% of what they do (you've agreed to this already) and only 14% of their total revenue
I've got a hint for you to share with you fundie buddies
You don't need to make up lies to support your position on abortion
You are against abortion - period
The fact that it's only 3% of what PP does and only 14% of their total revenue is irrelevent
You want both of those #'s to be zero
No need to make up bullshit about different numbers or make claims you can't prove
Also, no need to make up bullship about rape not leading to pregnancy, condoms don't work,etc..
All that does is make you and your fundie buddies look like a bunch of morons
You're simply against abortion......period
If you can't defend the position without resorting to lies then maybe you need to reconsider your beliefs
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Why should that loon who was sucking cock of the 17 at the rest stop step down for the Demos?
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Why should that loon who was sucking cock of the 17 at the rest stop step down for the Demos?
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I don't even know what your'e talking about
what's up with your constant need to bring up gay shit?
fucking weird dude
seriously
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I don't even know what your'e talking about
what's up with your constant need to bring up gay shit?
fucking weird dude
seriously
You know damn well what I am talking about.
The Demo running who was busted w the 17 yo boy.
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you have no proof of this statement
Other than you claiming that "PP gets a huge chunk of their money from the government to go towards abortions" you have absolute nothing to back up this claim and even at face value makes no sense
Abortion is only 3% of what they do (you've agreed to this already) and only 14% of their total revenue
But, it doesn't equate to 3% of the money they're getting. The proof, at the very least, are the libs who go ape about bills and laws that defund Planned Parenthood.
You keep pretending that all this fuss is over "3%" of services. We can use the laughs.
I've got a hint for you to share with you fundie buddies.
You don't need to make up lies to support your position on abortion
You are against abortion - period
The fact that it's only 3% of what PP does and only 14% of their total revenue is irrelevent
You want both of those #'s to be zero
No need to make up bullshit about different numbers or make claims you can't prove
Also, no need to make up bullship about rape not leading to pregnancy, condoms don't work,etc..
All that does is make you and your fundie buddies look like a bunch of morons
You're simply against abortion......period
If you can't defend the position without resorting to lies then maybe you need to reconsider your beliefs
There's no lying involved, especially when it comes to taking your claims apart. Once again, kindly point out in that graph where NONE of the government or private funding goes toward abortion.
All you lefties need to do, which we all know you lack the spine/balls to do, is put your money where your mouths are....literally.
Stop the federal funding for abortion, since you claim that it's only "3%" of its services. Keep all the other stuff; but cease the government funding for abortion.
But, that's not going to happen because, as I said, it's a huge chunk of PP's money. Take away the dough from Uncle Sam and PP collapses.
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You know damn well what I am talking about.
The Demo running who was busted w the 17 yo boy.
sorry dude
I don't follow the gay news beat like you do
I have no clue what you're talking about
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But, it doesn't equate to 3% of the money they're getting. The proof, at the very least, are the libs who go ape about bills and laws that defund Planned Parenthood. You keep pretending that all this fuss is over "3%" of services. We can use the laughs.
is this really the argument you're trying to make
do you know anything about business
do you think that every business has a 1 for 1 correlation between services provided and revenue generated
check out the economics of a movie theater or grocery store and get back to me
There's no lying involved, especially when it comes to taking your claims apart. Once again, kindly point out in that graph where NONE of the government or private funding goes toward abortion.All you lefties need to do, which we all know you lack the spine/balls to do, is put your money where your mouths are....literally.
Stop the federal funding for abortion, since you claim that it's only "3%" of your services. Keep all the other stuff; but cease the government funding for abortion.
But, that's not going to happen because, as I said, it's a huge chunk of PP's money. Take away the dough from Uncle Sam and PP collapses.
the chart shows their sources of revenue as a % of total revenue/funding
again, abortion services are 14% of total revenue
if you want to make the claim that government funds are used to pay for abortion services then it's up to you to prove that claim
As you well know Federal law prohibits this so if you have some proof you should get off the message board and contact your local fundie politician immediately
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is this really the argument you're trying to make
do you know anything about business
do you think that every business has a 1 for 1 correlation between services provided and revenue generated
check out the economics of a movie theater or grocery store and get back to me
How many business get a third of their revenue from government again? That's what I thought. ::)
the chart shows their sources of revenue as a % of total revenue/funding
again, abortion services are 14% of total revenue
if you want to make the claim that government funds are used to pay for abortion services then it's up to you to prove that claim
As you well know Federal law prohibits this so if you have some proof you should get off the message board and contact your local fundie politician immediately
Gee...federal law also prohibits illegal aliens from living in this country. How is that working again?
Funny how liberals get all bent out of shape about the GOP, trying to stop something that you claim either isn't happening or is illegal: federal funding for abortion.
Either the government is funding it or it's not. If there were no federal funding for abortions, neither side would have a case to make. So, yet again, you manage to shoot yourself in the foot, especially since you have YET to show that NONE of that government goes toward abortion.
Are you now going to suggest that both the GOP and Democrats are bickering over something that doesn't exist or is illegal?
"3% of services" is more fuzzy math that would land the average accountant in jail. 1 abortion (average cost: nearly $500) costs more than giving 50 girls a month's worth of birth-control pills, each (at $9 a pop).
Yet, if abortion makes for so little of PP's dough, then cut them off from the federal funding for abortion (which you claim doesn't exist or is illegal to do) and see how long it survives.
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How many business get a third of their revenue from government again? That's what I thought. ::)
I'm sure there are defense contractors and many other businesses (think about the farmers who are getting their crops destroyed by heat this summer) who get LARGE chunks of their total revenue from the government
what does that do to prove your claim that "Planned Parenthood gets a huge chunk of their money from government to go towards abortion."
Oh yeah........it doesn't prove anything
Gee...federal law also prohibits illegal aliens from living in this country. How is that working again?
Funny how liberals get all bent out of shape about the GOP, trying to stop something that you claim either isn't happening or is illegal: federal funding for abortion.
Either the government is funding it or it's not. If there were no federal funding for abortions, neither side would have a case to make. So, yet again, you manage to shoot yourself in the foot, especially since you have YET to show that NONE of that government goes toward abortion.
Are you now going to suggest that both the GOP and Democrats are bickering over something that doesn't exist or is illegal?
"3% of services" is more fuzzy math that would land the average accountant in jail. 1 abortion (average cost: nearly $500) costs more than giving 50 girls a month's worth of birth-control pills, each (at $9 a pop).
Yet, if abortion makes for so little of PP's dough, then cut them off from the federal funding for abortion (which you claim doesn't exist or is illegal to do) and see how long it survives.
again, if you have ANY proof that federal funds are being used to pay for abortions you can share it here and then with your fundie congressperson
you will be the HERO of the fundie anti abortion crowd
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I'm sure there are defense contractors and many other businesses (think about the farmers who are getting their crops destroyed by heat this summer) who get LARGE chunks of their total revenue from the government
what does that do to prove your claim that "Planned Parenthood gets a huge chunk of their money from government to go towards abortion."
Oh yeah........it doesn't prove anything
again, if you have ANY proof that federal funds are being used to pay for abortions you can share it here and then with your fundie congressperson
you will be the HERO of the fundie anti abortion crowd
The proof is obvious, to all except clueless folks like you. Again, kindly explain why both the Dems go bonkers about cutting federal funding for Planned Parenthood, if NONE of that federal money goes to abortion.
Let's see the lefties back your claim and see how long Planned Parenthood survives with no federal funding going for abortion.
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I don't even know what your'e talking about
what's up with your constant need to bring up gay shit?
fucking weird dude
seriously
Being in the closet is causing inner turmoil that he loses control of every now and then and has to grace us with his projections here.
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The proof is obvious, to all except clueless folks like you. Again, kindly explain why both the Dems go bonkers about cutting federal funding for Planned Parenthood, if NONE of that federal money goes to abortion.
Let's see the lefties back your claim and see how long Planned Parenthood survives with no federal funding going for abortion.
oh, ok now the proof is just "obvious"
the only thing that is obvious is that virtually every claim you made in this thread turned out to be false
again, why do you and your fellow fundies feel the need to resort to absurd lies
you're against abortion.....that's all you need to say
no need to make shit up in an attempt to support your position and doing so only makes you look stupid
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oh, ok now the proof is just "obvious"
the only thing that is obvious is that virtually every claim you made in this thread turned out to be false
again, why do you and your fellow fundies feel the need to resort to absurd lies
you're against abortion.....that's all you need to say
no need to make shit up in an attempt to support your position and doing so only makes you look stupid
Yes, indeed it's obvious, except for clueless folk like you.
The stuff I'm supposedly making up is making the libs get all discombobulated. All you have to do is cut funding for Planned Parenthood and the lefties lose it.
Now why is that, if that federal money ain't going to fund abortions? And where on that graph again does it state that NONE of that government money goes toward abortion?
Cut the federal funding for all abortion and this issue is pretty much settled. Yet, you lefties won't do that. I wonder why.
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Yes, indeed it's obvious, except for clueless folk like you.
The stuff I'm supposedly making up is making the libs get all discombobulated. All you have to do is cut funding for Planned Parenthood and the lefties lose it.
Now why is that, if that federal money ain't going to fund abortions? And where on that graph again does it state that NONE of that government money goes toward abortion?
Cut the federal funding for all abortion and this issue is pretty much settled. Yet, you lefties won't do that. I wonder why.
Have you ever taken an IQ test Mcway?